With Miraidon you do usually want to use TW similar to the worlds team
#competitive_discussion
astral kelp
I always thought it was weird that miraidon likes trick room
Doesn't he usually go max speed timid
mint void
@astral kelp it doesnt want to default to TR
Doesn't mean it cant use it. For example when your opponent has Tailwind up
cyan smelt
Miraidon's signature move is not electro drift, it's volt switch
next stump
ATLANTA STARTING ROUND 1
astral kelp
Miraidon's signature move is not electro drift, it's volt switch
Fr tho
It's really funny how often people drago meteor the obvious terá fairy user
solid frigate
ATLANTA STARTING ROUND 1
noice
spiral ridge
lol
solid frigate
holy Turtle
solid frigate
bold geode
miraidon/bundle will win
I think Keanu is running back Zam for this one?
chrome knot
I think Keanu is running back Zam for this one?
ok well
Rishi is gonna win this regional
bold geode
Counterpoint: stimky
bold geode
Counterpoint: I'm on Zam Ogre :3
Cuz I think the double Fake Out shit with CSR Zam ain't right :3
(How does it feel Emma)
chrome knot
its really right :3
bold geode
Wow ok
chrome knot
strong
bold geode
Idk
I just feel like
It could be better y'know?
Idk why
chrome knot
probably play better…
foggy lodge
WHY IS INDEEDEE TOP 10
chrome knot
mdb cir, lunala teams
solid frigate
WHY IS INDEEDEE TOP 10
Hard TR
atomic mural
foggy lodge
Istg hard TR is just broken
atomic mural
foggy lodge
But I don't think it can get that far again people must have match up against it now
solid frigate
ah yes Pokemon Scarlet and Violet Crown Tundra DLC
foggy lodge
Cristopher Han vs Pat Connors
chrome knot
Rishi on notable matches board😤😤😤
foggy lodge
straight for the surging and got tclapped😭
bold geode
Great T1 from Patrick
bold geode
Just clean gameplay
foggy lodge
Glacial ivy cudgel
bold geode
Very clean gameplay from Patrick, I wonder how Christopher adjusts
foggy lodge
By not letting urshifu die
bold geode
That's gonna be a bit hard though
Mainly have to get rid of Bolt but also Patrick punished by leading both Urshifu haters
chrome knot
icicle crash miss into watching power whip hit
bold geode
A little more value but ehhhhhh
chrome knot
id scream lmfao
solid frigate
ggs
bold geode
Chris just got massacred
solid frigate
Chris just got massacred
yeah thats just-
no way the 2015 announcer messed up the Wombo Combo line
atomic mural
dense latch
damn i totally forgot atlanta was going on rn
patrick connors vs cristopher han is a crazy r1
bold geode
PELIPPER THE FUCKING GOAT
bold geode
Helloing again Emma
chrome knot
good morning
bold geode
Doesn't CC into Pagos and Glacial kinda give him game?
solid frigate
How is that Ogerpon living-
bold geode
That's unlucky, Donghum just loses now
chrome knot
good fucking god that pon spread
bold geode
Just Cudgel bro
solid frigate
Good turtle but like yeah Game 3 moment
foggy lodge
Brady Smith on stream pog
solid frigate
TURTLE
bold geode
We still waiting on R4 to end or
solid frigate
We still waiting on R4 to end or
idk
foggy lodge
Justin Knox on stream
winged crane
Can someone help me get the Master Rank Ribbon for my Dragonite
solid frigate
do it yourself
shadow wind
Literally
solid frigate
He locked into draco in front of a Geezing
at this point its just throwing/Plot armor /j
foggy lodge
It was a throw
It was moonblast electro drift and if tatsu protects you encore and e drift geezing and if he teras you kill it with moonblast edrift
bold geode
Woah a stretcher passed by on stream
Hope people are ok
solid frigate
bold geode
Eh no surprise there
solid frigate
Eh no surprise there
it just funny button at this point
bold geode
What happened
solid frigate
i'm stopping when i hit 100th Game,and do the document
bold geode
Bro has no life
solid frigate
Bro has no life
i'm just don't know lol
bold geode
Hello just don't know
foggy lodge
Koraidon Geezing Brute Bonnet lol
wispy spade
what's the evasion item called that articuno used to hold?
dense latch
what's the evasion item called that articuno used to hold?
bright powder?
bold geode
I would've totally attacked that Hands there with the Bolt
untold urchin
I would've totally attacked that Hands there with the Bolt
Monke I’ve gone 3-9 I think
Or 4-8 I cant remember but I have at least won one game of this gc 
-# under the advisement of multiple different VGC players
-# and I did exactly one play (ignoring what I was told to do) that actually helped me
solid frigate
HANDS MY GOAT
chrome knot
on gang what is zee doing
solid frigate
on gang what is zee doing
he throwed twice-
chrome knot
oh boy tclap mind game
chrome knot
Bdhfksjerjkcshjf THATS INSANE LMFAOOOO
solid frigate
HE THROWED TWICE AND STILL WON LMAO
OGERPON SUPREMACY
HOW DID OGERPON LIVE THAT
chrome knot
-4 & resist
solid frigate
i'm gonna just
bold geode
Monke I’ve gone 3-9 I think
Or 4-8 I cant remember but I have at least won one ...
Bruh
tranquil kraken
any friends playing?
bold geode
Such a mind goblin for that Raika
bold geode
any friends playing?
Yotam is undefeated
Dillon is 4-3 sadly
chrome knot
rishi 6-1
bold geode
Cayden still playing, he's 5-1 rn
chrome knot
mirai bundle
untold urchin
Such a mind goblin for that Raika
what 
bold geode
what <:poliwhirlkek:932149535311015988>
You're just a mind goblin bro
untold urchin
You're just a mind goblin bro
what is that
chrome knot
bold geode
<:NobaraGlare:972220679132962866>
I got him good Emma
bold geode
How did you read that?
untold urchin
Mind Goblin Deez Nuts <:Wolfe_Hello:1296208163414212618>
whats a deez?
solid frigate
You sound like my old ass grandpa
"What's a Deez sonny?"
untold urchin
You sound like my old ass grandpa
"What's a Deez sonny?"
bro why are you doing deez nuts jokes on your poor grandpa 
bold geode
Still got you
bold geode
https://tenor.com/view/iron-crown-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-gif-678773313079216...
carpet bombs you
bold geode
IS THAT A TERA FIGHTING CALYREX
solid frigate
IS THAT A TERA FIGHTING CALYREX
that incin almost nukes lmfao
still feels Riley in the backfoot rn
foggy lodge
What does Ursaluna do here?
Weezing deactivates guts and if John plays with Dondozo is even worse
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
solid frigate
Crown Whims Lead?
true niche
feels like calyrex + weezing + dondonzo + tatsugiri combo is underated threat?
bold geode
It is not underrated LMAO
solid frigate
feels like calyrex + weezing + dondonzo + tatsugiri combo is underated threat?
literally the most annoying thing
true niche
i think i've seen those team twice on stream today
solid frigate
noooo riley-
mint void
feels like calyrex + weezing + dondonzo + tatsugiri combo is underated threat?
not underrated
its like 1 of 2 standard CSR modes
near crag
I've been thinking about indeedee as a support mon for both zacian and csr, with follow me, trick room, helping hand, and imprison, besides psychic terrain. It all seems great, until you notice it hasn't any attacks, and if you swap hh for psychic, it becomes a (kinda) tauntproof sitting duck. Y'all think there is a way to make it work? https://pokepast.es/b3d243c03ed35648 That's the current iteration of that team, and I do know pelipper isn't good speed control, but kinda does the job. Also considering scarf shifu to help on moving first. Y'all think the concept could work, or it's being held back by the rest of the team? Sorry for the size of the text, and thanks in advance.
solid frigate
i'm back from the dead
craggy dagger
I've been thinking about indeedee as a support mon for both zacian and csr, with...
own tempo..?
near crag
own tempo..?
That is my bad, miss imput
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
near crag
Kinda defeats the purpose, and self targeting is inconsistent
I mean, it could work, just maybe not in this team
craggy dagger
yeah-
it was just a random thought i had-
your team doesn’t look bad.
ionno how good pelipper is but it looks fine.
calyrex might get walled by wide guard though
near crag
I'm really scared of incin tho, and those lunadon teams too. Those are one pain in the ass to deal with, can't think of too much to block them
near crag
<@743432331422990356>why not psychic terrain?
It is, I just imputed the wrong thing
foggy lodge
I don't see the purpose of Indeedee here
mint void
ogerpon might be better
foggy lodge
It looks awkward to use
Pelipper also looks akward
Outside of being an enabler of Urshifu and Zacian against fire mons it looks meh
near crag
It's mostly for the imprison tech, and for peli, it's just role compression, but I agree peli is bad speed control
near crag
Id see water pon here poss
Triple water type?
mint void
get rid of peli
foggy lodge
Tailwind Pelipper for this format is just bad imo
Its too slow to really be a reliable tailwind setter
And idk about the imprison TR tech
Your team seems to do well against tr
near crag
Your team seems to do well against tr
How come?
foggy lodge
Zacian resists ice which is the restricted you are going to see 100% against TR teams and both CSR and Zacian can pressure the opponent so they kinda start with like half dead mons
near crag
What will I do against a lead like lunala or incin with CIR?
dense latch
most of the times there’ll be nothing you can do to stop tr, just learn to stall it out effectively
fake out on your team would probably be pretty effective but indeedee kinda ruins that for you so idk
foggy lodge
X
chrome knot
day0 crash out
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
shadow wind
Why does it weigh so much
chrome knot
this a real question ?>
spiral ridge
Why does it weigh so much
imagine a lion with full medieval armor coming and just pressing on you
i realize this more sounds like solgaleo but shush 😭
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
shadow wind
Fish don't count actually
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
shadow wind
And Zamazenta weighs more than Dialga…
jovial storm
I just got decimated by a suicide lead followed by fucking Ice Rider and Trick Giraffe.
Worst fight I’ve had in a while. Had I used Koraidon Tera fighting, I might have been fine.
chrome knot
shadow wind
Yeah I’ve seen those sets before
mint void
I bored someone so much that they forfeited in a decent position lol
shadow wind
Dozo toxic stall team?
mint void
Dozo toxic stall team?
Dozo Ting Lu Yawn Sand Tomb
mint void
I played zhe same weird ass Groudon team twice
Solar Beam on Groudon and Venu with Beat up Justified Terrakion
left bobcat
PIKA PIKA
shadow wind
Now that’s gaming
fringe fossil
wait thats fire
shadow wind
Actually it’s mostly water
shadow wind
Mine are always funny
mint void
Who is your dealer?
shadow wind
Dealer for what?
untold urchin
@bold geode I WON A VGC MATCH AGAINST AN ACTUAL VGC PLAYER
bold geode
I see
👍
bold geode
LOL
bold geode
Eventually Ill fight you again and Ill win
Mind if I hop in VC?
untold urchin
You have to ask Scotty
rustic mountain
shadow wind
Speaking of 70
For losing the first game on this account can't be too mad with a 70% GXE
solid frigate
thought u were aiming for 70%
honestly too much CTS bullshit and close 60% is kinda enough-
don't get me wrong
that team did get 60%-70% Before
it just i got a huge downfall from doing other stuff
and i forgot that the GXE carries from it even with WL ratio reseted
and honestly,the result is fine for me,especially is a new format without a centralised Meta yet imo
rustic mountain
up to u was jus wondering
solid frigate
up to u was jus wondering
yeah
And honestly the team's firepower is kinda the thing who carries me-
solid frigate
@spiral ridge scotty lemme in
bold geode
<@725406472464498719> scotty lemme in
Bro's twerking Costco toilet paper style to Ed Sheeran Beatles Shrek edition the long way rn and he's not demure enough to let you in right this second
solid frigate
Bro's twerking Costco toilet paper style to Ed Sheeran Beatles Shrek edition the...
The amount of things you say make me like this rn
solid frigate
Aight
chrome knot
<a:pikaWave:822701369160499201>
i swapped back to csr zam
astral kelp
NO FUCKING WAY
how well did it do
WEEZING TOO MY BOY
this guys literally me
whats te point of light ball pickachu with no spa moves
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
astral kelp
oh ig it increases atk
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
astral kelp
110 atk 💀
252+ Atk Light Ball Tera-Fairy Pikachu Play Rough vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Urshifu-Rapid Strike: 200-236 (113.6 - 134%) -- guaranteed OHKO**
op
astral kelp
252+ Atk Light Ball Tera-Fairy Pikachu Play Rough vs. 76 HP / 12 Def Iron Hands: 186-218 (77.8 - 91.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
yea quite a bit more
252+ Atk Light Ball Tera-Fairy Pikachu Play Rough vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Koraidon: 352-420 (200 - 238.6%) -- guaranteed OHKOop
astral kelp
yeea im joshin lol
even comfey can one tap koraidon
252+ SpA Fairy Feather Comfey Draining Kiss vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Koraidon: 168-204 (95.4 - 115.9%) -- 75% chance to OHKO kinda crazy
shadow wind
It's kinda crazy that he lives
That is quad effective bro
Full invest with a boosting item
And stab
Fair enough lowkey
charred saddle
so i saw
darkest lariat, drain punch, flame charge, FO incin
and Coaching valiant to rockpon
shadow wind
Goated sets
charred saddle
like what the fuck is this
spiral ridge
so i saw
darkest lariat, drain punch, flame charge, FO incin
and Coaching valia...
Just got sash endeavor pikachud I feel you
charred saddle
Just got sash endeavor pikachud I feel you
no that makes sense
spiral ridge
I was being told evio or light orb in my ear
charred saddle
raichu pikachu thingy thingy is only sash/light ball if its pikachu
or evio
but sash is also a choice 
spiral ridge
Oh and I got fucking weakness policy E speed dnite
That whimsi moon last bit my ass
And the. Scarf kyo to tie it together to fuck me up
charred saddle
im done
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
charred saddle
it is ye
spiral ridge
Follow me TR and just be wary of camerupt
charred saddle
no
spiral ridge
Mm?
spiral ridge
That works too yeah
spiral ridge
no reason to follow me
Most their attackers single target
charred saddle
u cunt
spiral ridge
I was mainly looking at glass cannon excaddil
charred saddle
Most their attackers single target
it gets eruption
and i think thats scarfed....
spiral ridge
it gets eruption
That’s why I said just be wary of camerupt
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
charred saddle
outspeeds smeargle..
spiral ridge
Nice
charred saddle
click TR spore/follow me
click glacial decorate
glacial decorate
glacial
glacial
spiral ridge
Ruh roh
spiral ridge
Pfttt
charred saddle
honestly forgt that pop bomb to a rocky helmet kills itself
astral kelp
It's kinda crazy that he lives
50 bp move tho lmao
shadow wind
Yeah who cares it's quad effective
spiral ridge
honestly forgt that pop bomb to a rocky helmet kills itself
Awe poor guy
astral kelp
Oh and I got fucking weakness policy E speed dnite
i gotta try dragonite weakness policy with comfey
spiral ridge
Weirdest part was he wasn’t multiscale so he’s just tanking SE
astral kelp
turn one x2 extreme speed is kinda crazy
+2 252+ Atk Choice Band Dragonite Extreme Speed vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Koraidon: 136-161 (77.2 - 91.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO thats actually way less than i expected
shadow wind
Are they choice band if they're weakness policy?
astral kelp
oh wait im dumb you right
+2 252+ Atk Dragonite Extreme Speed vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Koraidon: 91-108 (51.7 - 61.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO eh
shadow wind
Tera normal?
astral kelp
no cuz its turn 1 you cant prock policy without it
shadow wind
Upper hand
astral kelp
does anyone actually use that
shadow wind
They did for a bit
astral kelp
i tried it and its like super inconsistent
mostly cuz every upper hand user learns quick guard which is just kinda better tbh
its got the same priority as fake out so if youre upper hand user doesnt outspeed the fake out user it wont work lol
oh interesting rayquaqua actually seeing a decent amount of play
1% not bad lol
charred saddle
got flinched by a sludge bomb weezing and i thought im going crazy
its not neutralizing gas weezing, its stench 😭
astral kelp
thats so extremely based
solid frigate
click TR spore/follow me
clic...
PFFT
astral kelp
hard trick room feeling like the best team or is it just me
charred saddle
cuz its linear and easy to use as long as u know how to pilot it and lead the right mon
getting an edge early sets up a very big opportunity to win
unlike balance where ur being more flexible and can play around different modes, different leads, different sets
and even a bad lead can be played off
if ur hard TR and u had a bad lead/read in the start, its very hard to play
foggy lodge
Crazy that people said that hard TR can't win tournaments
astral kelp
yeah it feels like very much a turn 1 win/lose team
foggy lodge
Like wdym this shit's broken how do you lose with it😭
astral kelp
but follow me trick room is SOOO good
like the only way to stop it realistically is imprision
or one shotting them turn 1 somehow lmao
foggy lodge
Only if there was a move that could stop the opponent from using non damaging moves
charred saddle
Like wdym this shit's broken how do you lose with it😭
honestly because its also linear
once people know how to play with like the common leads
or like people know the sets its gonna be hard
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
charred saddle
but cir smearlge is sometting
astral kelp
yea unles you can taunt on +3 prioriy lmao
charred saddle
that shit
is different
foggy lodge
No but you can kill the redirector and taunt the setter
astral kelp
and even then indeedee
foggy lodge
Against hard TR with the Tangs team my line was tera fire hearthflame and taunt CIR
astral kelp
No but you can kill the redirector and taunt the setter
how are you one shotting indeedee or sash smeargle?
charred saddle
No but you can kill the redirector and taunt the setter
my friend made a play to fight cir smeargle with chiyu indeedeeM
foggy lodge
Tera fire cudgel indeedee taunt CIR
charred saddle
specs psychic tera indeedee male + heatwave will always guarantee KO on CIR smeargle and outspeed
no FO, follow me cant help, no spore since both are faster
solid frigate
Sammich
astral kelp
+1 76+ Atk Tera-Fire Ogerpon-Hearthflame Ivy Cudgel (1.2x Mask Boost) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Indeedee-F: 174-206 (98.3 - 116.3%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO
foggy lodge
how are you one shotting indeedee or sash smeargle?
Depends on the tools of the team
That's also why hard TR is so srrong
It has a bunch of auto win MUs
astral kelp
yeah you need something very specific to deal with it
but if they lead smeargle cir the only thing you can really do is imprision
foggy lodge
Smeargle CIR forces a lot of 50/50s
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
astral kelp
foes follow me count
fucking hate running imprision trick room
its like grabbing a mon that already doesnt do much and basically removing 2 moves
and then they are stuck on the field
hm how would you run an imprision indeedee
solid frigate
Midprison
astral kelp
more like shitprison
ig a better way to do it is just having a team with pokemon that work well in trick room or maybe something stally
reg i stall 💀
maybe i try weezing room
maybe offensive lorb weezing
i wonder if i can get away with this lmao
and not run indeedee too
hmm whats as good 6th
ayo wtf is happening in atlanta regionals btw
my boys being used a lot
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2341681089
jesus christ this is disgusting
astral kelp
balmy glen
it gets wide guard
astral kelp
it gets wide guard
he was running iron defence body press pain split LOOOL
balmy glen
magnet pull pain split makes sense
astral kelp
it was sturdy
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
astral kelp
lol what thats hilarious
chrome knot
it gets wide guard
keanu are u zamazenta pilled for reg i?
mighty stump
everyone and their mom is zama pilled
balmy glen
keanu are u zamazenta pilled for reg i?
i havent played a single game other than smogon vgc swiss so idk
i used htr in that cuz i couldnt be asked to prep for a match in a format i havent played lmao
chrome knot
oop
astral kelp
everyone and their mom is zama pilled
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2341770666-x3yqqi643m9mnriwesjsbwhbygmylsfpw
sometimes wide guard just wins games lol
idk about protected on zama
there aint many other options tho
light screen zamazenta when lmao
im starting to thing amoongus might be insane here because you can easily deny eletric terrain
i have yet to bring chien pao 💀
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
cyan smelt
what's this grafaiai giratina origin team
astral kelp
oh man this is a crazy team
chrome knot
being uninteresting asf(visualized)
thorny beacon
@charred saddle @spiral ridge @craggy dagger @untold urchin Final record of 26-19. My peak rating was a record of 25-12 and yeah I could have stopped but wanted to keep pushing myself to see how far I can go 
Also Kris and I thought if y'all wanted, we can do a round robin where we all play against each other once using our teams and also I think it would be funny if we just randomly swapped teams amongst us and fought each other doing that as well 
untold urchin
<@1060975738678947880> <@725406472464498719> <@541037106496012290> <@46857502841...
Nice
I’ll…pass on that second thing though
Y’all have fun if you play though
spiral ridge
<@1060975738678947880> <@725406472464498719> <@541037106496012290> <@46857502841...
I’m down
bold geode
everyone and their mom is zama pilled
Nuh Uh bro no way
grizzled island
Heya anyone here available to help me with ev training for my team
solid frigate
Heya anyone here available to help me with ev training for my team
currently cant rn im a bit busy
craggy dagger
<@1060975738678947880> <@725406472464498719> <@541037106496012290> <@46857502841...
oooo gj gj
bold geode
oooo gj gj
Helloing silly one
spiral ridge
You fell asleep in call you have no room to make fun of me
bold geode
You fell asleep in call you have no room to make fun of me
My sources say you're a little bitch
spiral ridge
Bro got no defense
bold geode
Cuz I did headass 
spiral ridge
I know
spiral ridge
Mm?
I need to watch Atlanta I was just gonna wait til after it’s done and go off timestamps lol
bold geode
stream had a team i rly want to play
The boy Cayden is in top 16 
untold urchin
You fell asleep in call you have no room to make fun of me
So that’s why he was still there
next stump
@chrome knot what is ryan loseto’s spreadsheet for planning matchups?
lost sun
thoughts
foggy lodge
Landorus therian is just mid
lost sun
moraidons timid just realised I didn't set it
dense latch
psybeam farig?
lost sun
foul play better?
dense latch
don’t rly like imprison here either i think foul play + psychic will give you more value
hands seems amazing if your opponent gets tr up
lost sun
might've misspress psybeam
dense latch
your hands should prob be min speed brave tho
lost sun
Landorus therian is just mid
didn't want 5 spa
lost sun
your hands should prob be min speed brave tho
made all the changes
dense latch
what does ludi do here honestly
lost sun
what does ludi do here honestly
outspeeds every non boosted Mon encore and fake out support
bold geode
LET'S GO CAYDEN
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
karmic oak
What is allowed in current rule set?
foggy lodge
Everything except mythicals
lost sun
only 1 restricted
charred saddle
playing MDB htr mirror in ladder is so fucking funny
both went CIR smeargle
who wins 5050 FO gets an edge
and then spore both calys is so fucking funny
foggy lodge
Well gang this is the team that won Atlanta lol
solid frigate
Well gang this is the team that won Atlanta lol
at least Crown won something-
heady onyx
Well gang this is the team that won Atlanta lol
Brute Bonnet on sun is a menace.
Amoonguss on steroids
mint void
typing is mid af but sun boost helps it alot
foggy lodge
Has the benefit of existing in the gen that lets you change your type
Also you can play it as turbo brute bonnet
On stream a brute bonnet outsped a Heatran
mint void
Has the benefit of existing in the gen that lets you change your type
has the unfortunate mishap of being best with 1 of 2 restricted that kinda want to tera all the time
shadow wind
That team got first AND second
solid frigate
That team got first AND second
First Tang Team and now Brute bonnet+Crown
shadow wind
Waiting for a special restricted
bold geode
Ok
Team is feeling way worse today specifically
Guess we're doing one of those days
chrome knot
-8ball go to f&c?
gentle cragBOT
go to f&c?
:8ball: Cannot predict now
chrome knot
-8ball go to f&c?
gentle cragBOT
go to f&c?
:8ball: Signs point to yes
left bobcat
Yes
shadow wind
Terapagos would like Tailroom right?
foggy lodge
Kinda yeah
There's a strong specs pagos team that used farigiraf whimsicott landorus hearthflame and urshifu
shadow wind
Yeah it has base 85 speed so it's kinda obvious I guess
shadow wind
Compared to 135 and 50 I'd say it can middle out
shadow wind
How did the second Expanding force kill
Must've been the lowest of low rolls into the highest of high rolls
shadow wind
Specs
Specs 252 modest
Trying out Groudon Terapagos
Been good for the first 5 matches
I doubt it'll go anywhere though
cyan smelt
Try Groudon reshiram
shadow wind
God no
Why is every single person running CSR Zama/Koraidon
It's just annoying
That guy that crashed out on twitter was right
cyan smelt
Because csr Zama is strong
shadow wind
Yeah well it really shows the flaw with GameFreak
cyan smelt
Zama hasn't always been good
shadow wind
I more mean Koraidon cause that's what I'm seeing more
I'll give Zama the benefit of the doubt
But CSR needs to be shot out back
cyan smelt
Koraidon is bad without tera
shadow wind
Yeah well we have tera
cyan smelt
Only one of koraidon and csr can tera
shadow wind
Doesn't matter if they outspeed and kill before you hit them with a Quad effective hit
cyan smelt
Sash caly does seem annoying
cyan smelt
Yeah 4 of your team like weather and/or terrain
shadow wind
Like being the keyword
To be fair the teams been doing well
So maybe I'm hating on it too much
cyan smelt
I should try bo1 with my team maybe I'll get some ideas
astral kelp
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regibo3-2342266845-2es3ty4sjbhobfd...
`does bro not know what close combat does
shadow wind
You serious?
shadow wind
You play Bo3 or Bo1?
astral kelp
Bo1 only lol
shadow wind
So you actually have no clue if it's scarfed or not
astral kelp
its easy to tell since i outspeed normal shifu aned i dont outspeed scarshifu in my mayb team rn
shadow wind
A lot are running mystic water nowadays
astral kelp
yeah or sash
astral kelp
lol its interesting when youre playing and they randomly like
tera ghost their csr or some shit
shadow wind
Yeah exactly
Bo3 only for me
I also want to play more tours so I need Bo3 experience anyway
My teams are now more Bo3 friendly so I won't even try Bo1 with em
Now realizing my Terapagos moves are clapped
Ain't no one using Power gem
It's hard cause Tera starstorm no tera is so incredibly strong
180 Base power when adding in stab
So moves like Ice beam and Power gem mean nothing when it's super effective
astral kelp
yeah terrapagos is kinda weird
its in such a weird spot where it feels really fucking strong and reallly weak at the same time
shadow wind
He might be my goat right now
Stops rain which is nice
Lowkey he doesn't feel weak
Granted I gave it specs
astral kelp
dude i love playing terapagos
clicking tera and stopping weather and terrain feels sooo good
also the heal you get
btw connor what are your thoughts on ursaluna in this team
the idea is to have kind of a trick room mode
shadow wind
If you erase Weezing from existence then it works
astral kelp
you can live without minds eye
main thing im kinda iffy on is vacuum wave over protect
plus the thing with weezing is that you have the ability to switch him out whenever you want
shadow wind
Who is setting up trick room
astral kelp
its like
shadow wind
plus the thing with weezing is that you have the ability to switch him out whene...
Forcing yourself to switch is bad team design
astral kelp
a counter to hard trick roombut still kinda works in tailwind
astral kelp
hm good point
shadow wind
Bro just ditch weezing
astral kelp
no way i love him
shadow wind
...
astral kelp
its been working pretty well so far anyways
shadow wind
It is actively making the team worse
astral kelp
i just need a good way to deal with trick room
shadow wind
If you replaced it with a Farigiraf with safety goggles, trick room, and imprison you would be good to go
astral kelp
mark my name i will bring weezing to that one asutralian tournament in december
wait i meant mark my words
astral kelp
If you replaced it with a Farigiraf with safety goggles, trick room, and impriso...
god i just hate imprision lol
shadow wind
mark my name i will bring weezing to that one asutralian tournament in december
Bringing a Pokémon means literally nothing
astral kelp
i mean
shadow wind
I could bring a Crabrawler and go 0-X and say I brought it
astral kelp
and do well ofc
shadow wind
You didn’t say that
astral kelp
i want at least 3 wins i guess
shadow wind
Should aim to win every game
astral kelp
eh i got realistic goals lol
ofc i will try to win every game but if i reach 3 wins ill be happy
also i just remembered the other reason i wanted ursaluina
to counter csr
because ive lost the speed tie like every game lmfao
astral kelp
i just forget how much damage miraidon does
shadow wind
Bro it's specs Tera electric in electric terrain Miraidon
It's shocking it did less than half
astral kelp
yeah i guess i should be used to it by now lol
shadow wind
Wait it wasn't tera electric yet
astral kelp
no just specs in terrain 70bp stab
shadow wind
252+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Volt Switch vs. 180 HP / 4 SpD Tera Shell Terapagos-Terastal in Electric Terrain: 80-95 (41.4 - 49.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Tera Electric Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 180 HP / 4 SpD Tera Shell Terapagos-Terastal in Electric Terrain: 153-181 (79.2 - 93.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
astral kelp
honestly i should really just build around miraidon if i want to win lol
sucks that no way miraidon can work with weezing lol
shadow wind
Bro just drop the gas cloud 😭
astral kelp
haahha im commited
also ive seen a few weezing teams plopping up
usually on stall teams tho
or whatever this is
interesting to run weezing with av koraidon i gotta say
wait holy shit this went 3/3
THIS WON???
shadow wind
What did it win?
astral kelp
pretty low end event but im still shocked lol
i dont get it why are so many people running toxic spikes weezing
shadow wind
Element of surprise is greater than a lot of people think
shadow wind
i dont get it why are so many people running toxic spikes weezing
Because then Dozo can toxic stall them out
shadow wind
That don't look like no Weezing to me
astral kelp
i meant this hahas
shadow wind
It breaks Sashes that could be annoying to CSR and Koraidon
Like Flutter and Chien Pao
astral kelp
ehhh i guess?
astral kelp
nope but im tryna get it yk
since im tryna build weezing
tryna find if im missing anything
astral kelp
LOL
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
astral kelp
yk i kinda wanna try a toxic dozo team now
it seems kinda weird bringing weezing tatsu and dozo in a double restricted format
shadow wind
💀
astral kelp
but this guy got it to work
shadow wind
I mean Dozo is strong
But with the increase in Miraidons it makes sense that Dozo usage goes down
astral kelp
yeah there are not many haze users in the format
the few clear smog amoongus are scary tho
astral kelp
But with the increase in Miraidons it makes sense that Dozo usage goes down
oh true shit
man looking through these early reg teams are so fun
shadow wind
I don't think I've ever looked at teams before Reg F
astral kelp
i love how stonejourner went 8/2
astral kelp
I don't think I've ever looked at teams before Reg F
seems like a cool format
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
shadow wind
I just don't see a point in it
Like I guess I look at the worlds teams of past years but I rarely look there for inspiration
astral kelp
I don't think I've ever looked at teams before Reg F
oh i see what i meant was like early reg as in new reg i teams since the format is just starting out
bad wording on my part
shadow wind
Ah ok
Yeah when regulations are new it's cool to see what people do
But then after a day it's boring old centralization
shadow wind
You are literally using Zama CSR
astral kelp
with weezing B)
shadow wind
And?
shadow wind
You'll enjoy the new regulation variety yet you are using the most commonly used pairing of restricteds
Weezing does not change that fact
astral kelp
its not like we have a lot of options of restricted
shadow wind
Just seems counterintuitive
astral kelp
specially restricted that work with weezing
i get your point thio
but i enkoy facing interesting stuff too yk
shadow wind
Could do it all format
Right now is the prime time for it
Meta is only going to get more centralized
astral kelp
ive been able to try a ton of stuff anyways
shadow wind
CSR on every single one of them
astral kelp
but as i got to like 1300 people are all starting to run the central teams
dude who cares csr is probably the best restricted to run with weezing by far
im also tryna make a good team
the team core is csr weezing
shadow wind
CSR isn't required to make a good team yknow
low crag
is there a vc i can join to discuss and an idea i had for a lunala koraidon team
astral kelp
eh i can try other stuff whenever i want man
astral kelp
is there a vc i can join to discuss and an idea i had for a lunala koraidon team
whats the idea?
low crag
i want to run tailroom lunala with lunala having trickroom wide guard meteor beam and moongeist beam tera normal and koraidon with protect flame charge flare blitz collusion course but i dont know what tailwind setter i want to use i also know i want to run ogerpon i just dont know which one
astral kelp
i want to run tailroom lunala with lunala having trickroom wide guard meteor bea...
maybe whimsy?
low crag
okay if whims should i run sunny day or no
astral kelp
i dont think you need it
low crag
okay so taunt gleam protect tailwind ???
astral kelp
also you prolly want oger fire
low crag
okay cool
astral kelp
protect encore tailwind moonblast
low crag
tera water whims right ]
low crag
i assume covert cloak
astral kelp
go protect if sash or lightscreen if covert cloak
low crag
ok so if i run screens run cloak sash if protect ]
astral kelp
yeah i think so
im not expert tho but thats just what ive seen
i recomend whimsy mainly because encore is INSANE
low crag
ok ... so i want to run tera normal lunala
shadow wind
If you have wide guard why do you need tera normal?
low crag
to take the csr off guard and possibly ko them
shadow wind
Ah so Bo1 stuff
astral kelp
nah its better to just go tera fairy
youre mainly scared of x4 dark moves
csr wont even click astral against wide lunala
low crag
lunala is my favorite legendary with is why i want to use it so bad
astral kelp
i mean its also good rn lol
low crag
what other mons should i use on this team
astral kelp
flluttermaane and rb are always good with koraidon
low crag
yeah but then the trickroom feels redunant on lunala so maybe use one of the two of those and some that likes the room
astral kelp
rb loves trick room
low crag
how ???
shadow wind
Raging bolt?
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
astral kelp
75 speed
shadow wind
He's pretty darn slow
low crag
do oi run a negative speed nature
astral kelp
you dont need to
low crag
okay cool
astral kelp
if youre slower than them then you trick room
youll never trick room if they underspeed you
low crag
yeah fair lol also trickroom is good to off set opposing tailwind as well
shadow wind
It's all I'll ever play 😭
astral kelp
its also good to tailwind if your rb outspeeds op in trick room
astral kelp
It's all I'll ever play 😭
incin rilla boom urshifu 
low crag
the musketeers and ogerpon
astral kelp
its crazy thow no matter what the team is you can out those 3 in there and it will just work
shadow wind
incin rilla boom urshifu <:1_ResidentSleeper:634530795893161995>
I don't think you get to talk based on your team
shadow wind
So use a different restricted
low crag
i mean zama is good wide guard support
astral kelp
there isnt many other ones that fit in this teasm
zacian kinda feels ass
eternatus was feeling pretty good but it sucked how it just felt like a worse csr half the time
maybe ill try dialga with trick room
got any ideas?
low crag
dialga lunala ??/
astral kelp
i guess its nice how i can go koraidon weezing into kyogre
low crag
raging bolt is for kyogre right
astral kelp
wait wtf people are running flaming charge
shadow wind
140 spdef is pretty much a built in AV
shadow wind
wait wtf people are running flaming charge
You being serious?
low crag
yes it allows him to out speed flutter
astral kelp
Kyogre has a beefy spdef stat
still pretty good to stop water spout from doing a million damage
astral kelp
You being serious?
yea ive never seen that before
astral kelp
this is like a mandala efect moment
shadow wind
No
astral kelp
every koraidon i face is just
shadow wind
It's more like you need to play Bo3
astral kelp
flare blitz protect dragon claw collision course
shadow wind
They do not run dclaw
astral kelp
yeah i was running breaking swipe a while ago
low crag
outrage
astral kelp
it only worked because scovilain spicy exctract made it do damage
shadow wind
astral kelp
also cc ive never seen a koraidon click cc
shadow wind
Bro has played 4 games ever
shadow wind
Want a medal?
astral kelp
conner whats going on man why are you being so rude today
shadow wind
You're just saying stupid things
astral kelp
doesnt excuse rudeness
shadow wind
Never said it did
astral kelp
nah dude not okay
low crag
yeah u are kinda being a jerk ngl
shadow wind
👍
knotty geyser
Can someone explain how iron head garchomp moved first before iron valiant?
shadow wind
Hmm
knotty geyser
shadow wind
Anything else happen that game?
knotty geyser
Yes
astral kelp
quick claw lmao
shadow wind
They literally said rocky helmet
Zama had negative investment
Yknow I've done some thinking
@astral kelp I apologize for how I've acted today
There's no excuse
astral kelp
<@421131865983025162> I apologize for how I've acted today
its alright man we all have bad days
i appreciate the apology
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
charred saddle
it might not be rocky and it could just be rough skin 
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
charred saddle
especially if valiant is max speed
shadow wind
but i think it says if it was rocky helmet right
I don't think it does
I think it just says they were hurt or something
knotty geyser
Choice ban water bear or choice scarff water bear?
shadow wind
Singles or doubles?
knotty geyser
Either
shadow wind
Well it depends on the team but scarf is usually better
astral kelp
scarf outspeeds csr by 1 and can one shot it if you tera its pretty crazy
shadow wind
But band can probably kill literally anything in the game
So it's all in what the team needs
shadow wind
Yeah but it could function with 2 moveslots
DLC mons get way too much coverage
Should look at the Calyrexes
astral kelp
its so dumb lol
at least they didnt really give caly-s any way to hit dark types other than like draining kiss
astral kelp
loooool
shadow wind
Also learns growth
astral kelp
i wonder if you could run grass knot
shadow wind
Doesn't really matter cause the forms learn SD and Plot but whatever
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
shadow wind
i wonder if you could run grass knot
I think they run it in ubers?
knotty geyser
I find taunt to be useful on caly cus of all the setup mons
astral kelp
252 SpA Tera-Fairy Calyrex-Shadow Rider Grass Knot (120 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Kyogre: 124-146 (70.8 - 83.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO ehhh
shadow wind
Ok but that's a Kyogre
astral kelp
I find taunt to be useful on caly cus of all the setup mons
is this singles?
knotty geyser
is this singles?
For now yea
astral kelp
lets you one shot urshifu if it teras LOL
shadow wind
I don't think tera matters
astral kelp
yeah really nieshe
shadow wind
Nah I mean like I think it kills if they don't tera
astral kelp
oh yeah it does but if they dont tera you can just psychic
astral kelp
so extremely nieshe lmfao
astral kelp
lmao thats such a funny team
shadow wind
Electric seed body press Cobalion
shadow wind
Not even crown
astral kelp
what the fuck LMAO
these are the kinds of teams you just randomly lose to because you have no idea how to play against it
shadow wind
Or you win in 2 turns because the team sucks
astral kelp
5050 really
astral kelp
replay?
shadow wind
Bro doesn't believe me 😔
astral kelp
i wanna see what this guy was tryna do lol
astral kelp
oh shi coaching LOL
upbeat venture
Yo chat which koraidon moveset looks better?
Swords dance
Drain punch
Iron head
Dragon claw
Or
Swords dance
Collision course
Iron head
Dragon claw
astral kelp
this is just zamazenta but worse
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
upbeat venture
Yo chat which koraidon moveset looks better?
Swords dance
Drain punch
Iron head...
Any help would mean a lot
astral kelp
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regibo3-2342337019
https://replay...
holt shit terapagos just cleaning his team game one
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
charred saddle
generally koraidon doesnt really want to setup
it already has enough power to OHKO
shadow wind
Yo chat which koraidon moveset looks better?
Swords dance
Drain punch
Iron head...
What format is this for?
upbeat venture
What format is this for?
Singles
charred saddle
oh
shadow wind
So pretty much collision course or dpunch
upbeat venture
Yeah
shadow wind
Probably dpunch?
shadow wind
I’m not a singles fanatic but longevity seems cool
upbeat venture
I agree, honestly, my partner mentioned d punch and I was like oooh wait yeah
astral kelp
252+ SpA Choice Specs Miraidon Draco Meteor vs. 180 HP / 4 SpD Tera-Stellar Terapagos-Stellar: 172-204 (66.6 - 79%) -- guaranteed 2HKO nvm
knotty geyser
I agree, honestly, my partner mentioned d punch and I was like oooh wait yeah
Cc is fighting?
shadow wind
Yes
knotty geyser
Thought it was ground this whole time
shadow wind
Bro is NOT Groudon