#competitive_discussion

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boreal mauveBOT
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Blizzard
Base Power:

110

G-max Power:

140

Accuracy:

70

Category

special Special

Type:

ice Ice

Power Points (PP)

5

Priority:

0

In-Game Desciption:

将猛烈的暴风雪
刮向对手进行攻击。
有时会让对手陷入冰冻状态。

Technical Description:

Inflicts regular damage. Has a 10% chance to freeze the target.

During hail, this move has 100% accuracy. It also has a (100 - accuracy)% chance to break through the protection of protect and detect.

Other Properties:

Does not make Contact
Affected by Protect
Not affected by Magic Coat
Not affected by Snatch
Affected by Mirror Move
Affected by King's Rock

mint void
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You e8ther have a shit mon or a predictable bring/lead

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That seems really...bad

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Its usable as it was in reg G but thats it

foggy lodge
mint void
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Id say it rather holds the other one back

foggy lodge
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You prepare for the CSR or the Kyurem you choose lol

craggy dagger
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kyurem pagos maybe-?
or would you bring kyurem n like
lunala/misc

foggy lodge
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AV seems fine for it tbh

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Like the biggest problem is obviously being an ice type

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95 speed is decent its faster than Kyogre or Groudon

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And freeze dry helps with both

craggy dagger
foggy lodge
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Mhm

mint void
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Hmmm

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I immediately get ctsed

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Someones ursh just committed on my rocky helmet

solid frigate
mint void
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Anyone even playing GC?

lofty tartan
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I'm not.

mint void
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Im playing without tera on CSR

azure tapir
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What roles do you feel are a must in doubles? It was way easier in singles because you use all 6 mons.... Me personally, I like pivot Wall,support, sweeper, and wallbreaker/revenge killer.. these I think are must. I'd just like more thought as I'm newer to doubles

mint void
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@azure tapir irrelevant

azure tapir
mint void
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You just need at least dmg from both sources. Its mostly just support, dmg and I guess restricted

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Its really not as specific since you can double target

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Having a designated physical wall makes no sense because of that

azure tapir
mint void
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No

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Sonce in singles you just need to fill role slots and then have the right mon Infront of the roght thing

dense latch
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the roles needed in a team vary heavily between them

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tho there’s probably a few checkboxes that you can use like for example disruption through fake out, speed control, some form of redirection isn’t necessarily needed in all teams but it’s pretty good to have, etc

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two pokemon on the field at once means you need to focus more on the synergy between your pokemon rather than their individual roles

azure tapir
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Hmm

next stump
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yeah those typical roles aren’t as relevant in VGC

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very hard to be a wall when 2 pokémon can hit you

atomic mural
mint void
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Played a Beat up+Justified + Silar Beam Groudon Team....

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His Venusaur In sun was slower than my CSR

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Wild

fringe fossil
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Hear me out:
Kyeurem Groudon

craggy dagger
mint void
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Hope this is a joke

craggy dagger
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uh

fringe fossil
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It is

craggy dagger
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good

fringe fossil
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Bc I don’t know shit abt pokemon comp and was playing showdown at my college bar

mint void
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Lets run Kyogre Koraidon type shit

astral kelp
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planing on it

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i want to go to an aus regionals at the end of the year

mint void
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Minimum hack check this Calyrex if u are taking it

astral kelp
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since im planing to go visit there with my gf anyways

astral kelp
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cuz a thing is
i traded for this shiny eternatus that i was planing to use but its kinda sus lmao

mint void
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the mon gets removed

craggy dagger
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they usually prevent you from competing in the event if things get bad no?

mint void
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1st Fissure connected

astral kelp
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that would suck imagine flying out to fucking australia for nothing lmao

mint void
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If its ur restricted that's ass

solid frigate
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back to Mirai Ogre i go

rustic mountain
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19-1, the pressures on for 80% gxe HDyepge

rustic mountain
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would be a wild story to day 2 w/ 1 restricted in dres

craggy dagger
next stump
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yeah definitely do not attend a regional with a randomly traded pokemon

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they are SUPER strict now

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if more than 2 of your pokemon are hacked you’re out

solid frigate
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@craggy dagger i'm resetting my ladder win ratio

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there is no way i can make it out alive now

rustic mountain
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20-1, cant believe that loss changed so much KEKWcry think id be a win or 2 away from 80% gxe otherwise

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p sure im like 3-4 wins straight from getting it now

dense latch
rustic mountain
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haha thx, ive been here b4, lets see if i can actually convert

dense latch
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bo3 or bo1 btw

rustic mountain
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bo1 gladge

dense latch
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80% gxe is still 80% gxe

solid frigate
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i have to go back to Mirai Ogre to do Win L Ratio back

rustic mountain
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currently sitting at 78.8

dense latch
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i think 78% was my peak

astral kelp
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how often do you guys reset your win ratio

solid frigate
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i only did once

dense latch
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i never do bc it doesn't really matter

astral kelp
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i kinda play random teams with like a 30% gxe and then when i find a good team i just keep playing

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so im currently at like 45%

rustic mountain
astral kelp
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oh shit just made it to 50%

dense latch
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im at a pretty mediocre gxe rn bc im kinda ass at reg i as of now at least

rustic mountain
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u said u havent really been keeping up so

dense latch
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i need to learn lines and stuff i wasnt really bringing the right stuff

rustic mountain
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yea its an adjustment

dense latch
rustic mountain
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cuz u got 2 broken mons instead of 1 to account for

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on both ends

dense latch
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my alt is 72 1387 at least

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which is okay

rustic mountain
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yea

solid frigate
rustic mountain
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u keep that gxe like that its more then ok

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70+ is very good

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60-70 is solid and 50 range is average

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80+ is cracked

dense latch
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once im free of all the stuff i have to do in the next month (ahhhhhh) i cant wait to really dip into this format

rustic mountain
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ive been enjoying it

dense latch
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cir miraidon has been pretty fun

rustic mountain
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took like a week off

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dont wanna play it too much either b4 it even starts

dense latch
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i need some more practice into csr zama for sure

rustic mountain
dense latch
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i think it's one of those mus i dont bring cir into

solid frigate
rustic mountain
dense latch
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like the times i've brought i waste my tera on it and it does nothing afterwards

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still finding what supporting cast i like best

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cir mirai hands is a lock for me so far but there's a lot to try out honestly

rustic mountain
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its really just how u position urself

dense latch
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i think it's just me not playing around wide guard effectively

solid frigate
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I'm busting out Iron Crown again in Reg I

dense latch
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and positioning yea

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i'll get stuck in a position where i really cant get rid of zama

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that's the main issue

rustic mountain
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in some positions ur gna know like hey they prolly wanna wide guard here

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u gta get a feel tbh that team is super position based but once u get the right boards its very strong

dense latch
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like personally i'll find myself a lot against zama rillaboom

rustic mountain
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atleast in my experience

dense latch
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and that board state feels really awkward to play in

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tr turns expire and then im kinda fucked and stuff

rustic mountain
dense latch
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true

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yea just need to work on positioning really

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still getting used to playing miraidon

rustic mountain
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its about knowing ur board presence and weighing wat u wanna do vs wat they wanna do, if u are able to get the pins down right its really annoying to deal w/ in my experience

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cuz grass and water r ur most annoying types for those guys respectively, u threaten ice and electric its like wat do they even do most times

dense latch
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i've found the tw kyogre matchup to be a bit problematic too, might be worth changing some teras

astral kelp
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i feel lke miraidon is in every top 3 duo 💀

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miraidon csr miraidon kyogre miraidon lunala

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miraidon cir as well lmao

foggy lodge
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cuz its the best restricted

rustic mountain
astral kelp
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yeah its hilarious

dense latch
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yea most of boltbeam's strength comes from pins so positioning makes or breaks matchups sometimes

astral kelp
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the bot is bugging out wth

dense latch
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these are the teams i have in the builder

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valiant's support seems interesting but still dont know if i want booster or sash/cloak on it

rustic mountain
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p much, in my experience its mostly mirai chipping away w/ caly able to finish things/ chunk away as well and potentially set up speed control if it needs it. u dont always necessarily need that 1 board of mirai cir but it can be super threatening in certain spots

astral kelp
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isnt valiant tanky enough to not need sash?

dense latch
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potentially decent for the mirror to outspeed the opponent's miraidon

astral kelp
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what is happening to the bot

dense latch
rustic mountain
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its not that bulky

dense latch
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should probably be frailer if im going sash

astral kelp
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what the fuck

solid frigate
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found a base Zama user what-

rustic mountain
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sometime the bot bugs out just give it time

dense latch
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tho valiant doesnt really need the attack invest unless im doing moonblast or sum

astral kelp
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doesnt valient just run a bunch of support moves

dense latch
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woo new summoning salt video

rustic mountain
solid frigate
foggy lodge
astral kelp
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spirit break, wide guard, quick guard

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icy wind maybe

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feint

solid frigate
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nah

foggy lodge
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Wide guard encore spirit break taunt coachin

rustic mountain
astral kelp
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it even learns encore jesus

solid frigate
astral kelp
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encore taunt thuinder wave imprision trick room

rustic mountain
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idk man just throwing it away like that seems bad haha

astral kelp
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fuck man what doesnt it learn LOL

rustic mountain
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ogre can just as easily sweep

astral kelp
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iron val learns so many random as moves lmfao

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liquidation??

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also why did it just steal grimsnarls signature move

solid frigate
astral kelp
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like lmfao

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huh just as im building weezer

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yeah i feel like regigigas fucking sucks

dense latch
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tang is crazy lol

astral kelp
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if they kill weezing regigigas just does nothing

solid frigate
dense latch
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used a team where every pokemon can miss

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groudon jumpluff lmao

solid frigate
solid frigate
cyan smelt
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Special attacker regigigas

dense latch
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somehow only drank six times

solid frigate
mint void
solid frigate
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man the game really does not want him to be drunk

dense latch
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his chi yu locked in like crazy

mint void
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@dense latch what does he play?

solid frigate
dense latch
mint void
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Mb

dense latch
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flutter chi yu rock pon bolt to round off

cyan smelt
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Earth power gigas

dense latch
mint void
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@dense latch missavle move on all mons then

solid frigate
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Support Regigigas is actually legitimate lmao

mint void
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Im 6-3/7-2 idk which I think 6-3

dense latch
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im surprised he only missed six times in 15 games

astral kelp
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ive tried gigas a few times and it never does anything

solid frigate
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look at the moveset

astral kelp
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icy wind lmao

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wide guards not bad

cyan smelt
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Crush grip

astral kelp
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so this?

mint void
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Id say yes

next stump
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i think i’ve seen thunder wave over crush grip

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it’s not there to do any damage

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or maybe it was over protect

tiny karmaBOT
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Regigigas's moveset:
Physical Moves

Aerial Ace, Avalanche, Body Press, Body Slam, Brick Break, Bulldoze, Crush Grip, Darkest Lariat, Dizzy Punch, Double-Edge, Drain Punch, Earthquake, Facade, Fire Punch, Fling, Focus Punch, Frustration, Giga Impact, Hammer Arm, Hard Press, Headbutt, Heat Crash, Heavy Slam, High Horsepower, Ice Punch, Iron Head, Knock Off, Mega Kick, Mega Punch, Natural Gift, Payback, Pound, Power-Up Punch, Retaliate, Return, Revenge, Rock Slide, Rock Smash, Rock Tomb, Secret Power, Smack Down, Stomp, Stomping Tantrum, Stone Edge, Strength, Superpower, Thunder Punch, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Ancient Power, Earth Power, Focus Blast, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Icy Wind, Mud-Slap, Round, Shock Wave, Snore, Tera Blast, Terrain Pulse, Thunder, Thunderbolt

Status Moves

Block, Confide, Confuse Ray, Double Team, Endure, Foresight, Gravity, Nature Power, Protect, Psych Up, Rain Dance, Rest, Rock Polish, Safeguard, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Thunder Wave, Toxic, Wide Guard

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Regigigas.

astral kelp
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i thought crush grip was like the entire point of the gigas

solid frigate
mint void
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7-4 for the day

tiny karmaBOT
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Move: Crush Grip

Power is equal to 120 * (target's current HP / target's maximum HP), rounded half down, but not less than 1.

Type

Normal

Category

Physical

Power

0

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

fringe fossil
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Thoughts on gogoat being competitively viable

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Nevermind I take that back he’s ass

river zealot
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Anyone wanna 1v1

dense latch
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river zealot
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anyone wanna 1v1

left bobcat
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No

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Too scary

river zealot
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my team is mid

astral kelp
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bro i just lost 3 in a roll

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all of them against csr

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and losin speed ties

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i want chien pao

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lets try this

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eternatus kinda doesnt do anything that csr doesnt

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and i need more ways to deal with dark types

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man i want a fake out user

river zealot
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wanna 1v1

solid frigate
spiral ridge
dense latch
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yeah

astral kelp
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thoughts on volt switch over low kick on hands?

dense latch
astral kelp
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wb instead of drain punch?

dull ibex
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Long time no see

rustic mountain
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the lack of pivot option sucks but its tough to slot in now imo

astral kelp
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with how slow hands is i feel like it would LOVE pivot

rustic mountain
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it did it earlier formats

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again tho, a lot tougher to justify slotting in now tho

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could get away w/ fo/dp/wc and vs p easy before

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low kick and even heavy slam have removed volt switch from the convo entirely w/ how things have progressed. something u could certainly try but as some1 whose run hands recently and missed volt switch i also could not see having it over any other move

shadow wind
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What is my goat @dense latch doing in my Pokeaim video??

rustic mountain
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think they mentioned b4 they were innit

dense latch
shadow wind
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Goat behaviour

dense latch
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i sent the replay like a week or so ago i wasnt sure if a vid would even drop

rustic mountain
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or if u would even make the vid

dense latch
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yeah

rustic mountain
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cuz didnt u win

dense latch
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i think i did well enough

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nah i lost

rustic mountain
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oh HDyepge

dense latch
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he thinks through the turns way better than i did

rustic mountain
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thats singles right?

dense latch
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yea

knotty geyser
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Quick question
If a a ghost mon wearing focus sash gets hit by Knock off and it 1 shots does sash still activate or does the mon just die?

rustic mountain
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id say b/w u not being a singles player and hes like arguably the best ever u prolly did fine

dense latch
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i’m not too big on singles but the OMs like almost any ability are really fun

rustic mountain
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as long as ur at full ofc

knotty geyser
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Yea im curenty debating with somebody about this very topic

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And im 100% sure this scenario happens

rustic mountain
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as some1 whose used sash and been in that very scenario i can guarantee u thats wat happens

dense latch
rustic mountain
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nice

dense latch
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what does b/w mean btw

rustic mountain
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between

dense latch
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ohh

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i seem to face a lot of pros in singles metagames

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i played mdb on broken cup ladder two weeks ago

rustic mountain
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more of a niche community

dense latch
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okay a lot is an overstatement

rustic mountain
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vgc is a fraction of the pokemon community and singles is a fraction of that ur likely to run into the same ppl more often then not

dense latch
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true

rustic mountain
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probability wise atleast not necessarily actually playing them all the time

dense latch
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@shadow wind can vouch

how many times have we played each other on ladder lol

rustic mountain
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mdb ranked reg i so low already lmao

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ive played vs conner a few times atleast

shadow wind
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I just be playing infinite games

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So I’m bound to play everyone a couple of times

rustic mountain
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ye was gna say lmao

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also that

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run the chance of it happening even more

dense latch
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i got a few games of reg i tonight and one of my last games my opponent got full parad like 5 times in 7 turns

shadow wind
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I just love the battle what can I say

dense latch
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i love this format

rustic mountain
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conner wen champions gets released: aPES2_Gamer

shadow wind
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I’m going to have even less of a life

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I just need to find a Reg I team I can spam on ladder

rustic mountain
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still early

shadow wind
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Groudon’s niche is just gone

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Koraidon has taken over

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Which is why I will probably run Groudon Lunala

dense latch
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og lunadon is pretty cool

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i saw justin tang run it on stream not too long ago

shadow wind
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I just really don’t wanna run Pblades + Meteor beam 😭

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But man Meteor beam is awesome

rustic mountain
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gta deal w/ the trade off then

shadow wind
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100%

rustic mountain
shadow wind
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Ground Rock offensively is pretty good

rustic mountain
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yea both r great offensive types

shadow wind
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Is Volcarona dead in the water or do you think it could still have some use?

rustic mountain
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ive played vs it a handful of times, its not terrible

shadow wind
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It’s like Ogerpon but more supportive

rustic mountain
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nd a chance to burn physical attackers

shadow wind
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Yup

rustic mountain
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its nice vs like zama tbh

knotty geyser
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Would sprit break have enough to 1 shot most other fighting type mons weak to fairy?

shadow wind
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Yeah I’m thinking of running a core of Groudon, Lunala, Bolt, Volc

shadow wind
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And how much invest you give em

knotty geyser
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Iron valiant

rustic mountain
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even then prolly not

knotty geyser
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359 phyical

shadow wind
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Singles 😔

rustic mountain
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if its for singles most ppl here dont play that

knotty geyser
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Doubles

rustic mountain
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but yea again like conner mentioned it depends

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ur not gna 1 shot something like hands

shadow wind
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Doubles OU or somethin?

rustic mountain
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ud 1 shot darkshifu

knotty geyser
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Ou yea

shadow wind
rustic mountain
knotty geyser
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Ima just go back to Iv being special invested

rustic mountain
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idk much doubles ou

knotty geyser
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Nothing phyical is over 80 base and CC not to useful on defensively weak mons

rustic mountain
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it can be, some mons are meant to be glass cannons

shadow wind
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I wonder if my Volc wants goggles or helmet more

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I guess goggles doesn’t really help

rustic mountain
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also cc can be used on bulkier stuff too ive seen it plenty

shadow wind
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Rage powder 😔

rustic mountain
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?

shadow wind
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Well I can’t redirect spore like I’d want to with Volc

rustic mountain
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ahhh

cyan smelt
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Just taunt

shadow wind
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Amoonguss is pretty slow

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Nah yknow what, goggles Volc is the play

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Cause it’s a fire type and can hurt the mushroom

cyan smelt
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Amogus

shadow wind
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Lorb Raging bolt my goat

jaunty briar
astral kelp
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is amoongus even a thing anymore

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istg in like 150 games i have yet to see an amoongus

lofty tartan
astral kelp
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man ive had rb 1v3 games

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its a crazy mon

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unreasonably tanky

jaunty briar
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Ive never used him before tbh so idk

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His typing sucks though ngl

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I mean its decent

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Great defenses and HP

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His spa is high too

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He goes rlly well with pincurchin 😃

mighty stump
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its been a while since I’ve seen a bad take

chrome knot
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raging bolt had an entire format built around him

foggy lodge
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electric dragon bad typing???

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Its the same typing of the mon that won worlds💔

patent marsh
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Someone hasn't been traumatised by seeing raging bolt every match yet

wispy spade
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does Technician boost no item Acrobatics?

dense latch
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only acrobatics with an item

solid frigate
turbid vale
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can anyone help me build a tr team

solid frigate
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back to 1200

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300 more elo to go

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goal,70% GXE Mirai Ogre team

steady cove
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Anyone want to play Pokemon Stadium?

thorny beacon
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@craggy dagger @untold urchin I was able to end the night going 10-5. Going to bed now to hopefully wake up at a normal time in case y'all wanna play your matches in your evening. Scotty will probably be playing as well SquirtleExcite.

craggy dagger
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i’m gonna go 0-30 aMumeiNodFast

spiral ridge
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Same

bold geode
spiral ridge
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:(

bold geode
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OH bro I got SG skin Yay

spiral ridge
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SG?

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Wha

bold geode
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Squirrel Girl

spiral ridge
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Ohh

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Which of her skins??

bold geode
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The new punk one

spiral ridge
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The WHAT I didn’t know that existed I’ll look when I get home that sounds sick

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I’ve saved enough for a legendary, but I don’t know what to get SadMimi

untold urchin
spiral ridge
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Wait for Halloween

untold urchin
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ITS AN MCU SKIN BASED OFF MULTIVERSE OF MADNESS

spiral ridge
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L

bold geode
untold urchin
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i need this

bold geode
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Plus it's a character I actually play

lost sun
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thoughts

spiral ridge
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Besides the bowl cut lmfao

bold geode
spiral ridge
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Pff

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I love how venom has like the best and worst skins lol

bold geode
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I'm learning Venom fuck it

spiral ridge
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I

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What’s there to learn love

bold geode
solid frigate
river zealot
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yo does anyone wanna battle

solid frigate
left bobcat
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LETS BATTLE

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PEW PEW PEW

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WAPAH

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PIKACHU DODGE IT WOOOOOSH boom I win

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Very fun battle

wispy spade
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@untold urchin is that a ghost song?

plain drum
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If you're talking about his bio, yeah it's Square Hammer

untold urchin
grizzled island
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Can someone help me find a moveset for iron crown

chrome knot
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psy noise tachyon cutter ? protect

bold geode
solid frigate
gentle cragBOT
grizzled island
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I keep seeing people using choice items for moridon, but I hate being locked into a set move, what are other good items for em?

next stump
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life orb

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assault vest and electric seed are very rarely used but sometimes you’ll see it, they’re harder to use

grizzled island
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Life orb just makes me nervous honestly

knotty geyser
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I can name 2 mons who could use vest

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And 1 has been in vgc teams

spiral ridge
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miraidon specifically

next stump
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life orb is good enough to warrant the drawback

knotty geyser
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Life orb is 20% more damage on top of the life drain every offensive skill used correct?

solid frigate
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i think i figure out Mirai CIR and CSR Pagos MU for Mirai Ogre-

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Just Slap Tornshifu and you basically nuke them

grizzled island
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What about weakness policy i have that on my moridon

solid frigate
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not recommended

grizzled island
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Oh why is it not good?

solid frigate
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you have to set up for 1 turn to do damage anyway

next stump
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miraidon can’t live super effective hits easily

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you’re better off with upfront damage

solid frigate
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at this point just use Specs Set or even Calm Mind would not be bad if alternatives

knotty geyser
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Is there anyway to use ogerpon cus I've tryed a good bit of different partners but oger just doesn't feel like a legendary more like a sudo legendary

solid frigate
knotty geyser
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Im curently testing out screens with oger and yea it's just not bulky enough to survive none treating moves she just dies or is out speed despite 350 speed after evs (ik that's above average when other monsters can clear 360+

solid frigate
#

wait.

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level 100?

knotty geyser
#

Yes

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Max speed investment with nature is 350

solid frigate
#

wait a minute what format you are playing-

knotty geyser
#

Im not talking about a format per say

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Just stats in general

solid frigate
#

ok fair

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but just lower it to level 50 to make your teambuilding easy for the match

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cuz level 100 EV spreads are sub optimal

knotty geyser
#

I kinda wish Pokémon would introduce. What stats are like? When all mobs are locked at fifty, so you don't have to use alternate websites just to figure that out.Cause I still don't know

solid frigate
#

for a format that sues level 50 for bases

solid frigate
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Ogerpon-Hearthflame (F) @ Hearthflame Mask
Ability: Mold Breaker
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 212 HP / 76 Atk / 28 Def / 4 SpD / 188 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Ivy Cudgel
  • Wood Hammer
  • Follow Me
  • Spiky Shield

You can use my spread during my regionals

knotty geyser
#

Thank you I will try this spread GengHeart

spiral ridge
chrome knot
solid frigate
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My ass should not get that freeze=

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and its 3 v 1

grizzled island
#

I kinda got a spin on a team i like and I'm hoping to see it used once I finish evee training and hyper training the Ivs 💪✨️

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But uh for innciroar what evees would I be going for

solid frigate
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if you have leftover EVs just throw it on Atk

grizzled island
#

Ty 😭 i saw this post on it but wasn't sure

solid frigate
#

mmmmmm yeah i don't recommend

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cuz this is for level 100 Spread

dense latch
#

yea this spread wastes evs too at lvl 50

solid frigate
#

not level 50

dense latch
#

rule of thumb you should be investing in either 3 or 5 stats

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2 4 or 6 wastes evs everytime

grizzled island
#

Ah

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My incin is kinda in a trick room team

#

So shouldn't it be slow slow

dense latch
#

eh not really

solid frigate
#

Incineroar @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 228 HP / 4 Atk / 52 Def / 140 SpD / 84 Spe
Careful Nature

  • Flare Blitz
  • Knock Off
  • Fake Out
  • Parting Shot

Like mine who uses this spread to outspeed Tailroom CIRs

dense latch
#

having faster fake out is actually better to get tr up easier

bold geode
grizzled island
#

Yes sir 🫡

bold geode
#

That website is abhorrent dogshit

grizzled island
solid frigate
grizzled island
dense latch
#

use munchstats

solid frigate
grizzled island
#

Ahh

solid frigate
#

VGCpastes or Munchstats have optimised spreads

bold geode
#

VGCpastes

grizzled island
#

Tysvm guys 😭🙏

dense latch
#

and filter for the higher rating ranges

bo3 is also probably better because you filter out those bo1 gimmicks

solid frigate
grizzled island
solid frigate
#

avoid Fake Out'd+Just a Solid defensive typing against Fighting Mostly

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cuz Koraidon and Zama are gonna be Annoying

grizzled island
#

Ohh okay

solid frigate
#

especially Zama would now run Behemoth Bash (For Tera Fairy Punish)

#

Incin Walls that with Intim and stuff

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if its Tera Ghost

grizzled island
#

So.. my moridons fairy Tera is bad for me when Zama is around

solid frigate
#

personally

Just Click electro Drift on it

#

Zama dies to Edrift anyway

grizzled island
#

Ahh okay

#

Is it due to typing

solid frigate
#

252+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 100 HP / 84 SpD Zamazenta-Crowned in Electric Terrain: 177-208 (98.3 - 115.5%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO

Well Mostly OHKOs-

solid frigate
chrome knot
#

I hope this person trips and fucking falls down the stairs

grizzled island
#

Oop

solid frigate
#

emma what happend

chrome knot
#

annoying ass stall team when im alr tilt queueing LOL

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like kill that

solid frigate
#

My eyes

foggy lodge
#

Happens

solid frigate
#

MY EYES

grizzled island
#

Stall team?

solid frigate
#

aka worst method tto play VGC

grizzled island
#

Oh, what's it do? Like stall for tie?? Or?

dense latch
#

be annoying

chrome knot
#

waste my fucking time

dense latch
#

stalls with poison generally or through very very slow chipping down

grizzled island
#

Ohh

foggy lodge
#

I liked my poison stall modes with Geezing

solid frigate
foggy lodge
#

💔

dense latch
#

:((

grizzled island
#

I just watched a bit of it, (never used pokémon showdown before) but it looks like an annoying fight

solid frigate
foggy lodge
#

Nah dude lefties is the way for this format

chrome knot
#

leftovers better to keep spamming tera shell procs

dense latch
#

covert cloak pagos is fake imo

grizzled island
foggy lodge
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Cloak pagos could be real for reg G idk for this format

#

I feel the multiple tera shell is super valuable

dense latch
grizzled island
#

Ah okay, like u can't use that item at all?

dense latch
#

i mean you can it’s just not great

grizzled island
#

Ohh okay

foggy lodge
grizzled island
#

I think I'm just about done my competitive team 💪✨️ just need to ev train and iv train

solid frigate
#

something that is not Arubega

dense latch
solid frigate
dense latch
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the sets are for a bo1 ladder tour i believe

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there’s been a few cir mirai teams that arent arubega

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that pelipper rockpon variant

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i’ve seen hirofumi cir but mirai over bolt

solid frigate
grizzled island
dense latch
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it’s the logical next step but MAN is it boring to see all the time

solid frigate
dense latch
#

i really wanna test out volc in cir mirai

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i think the six yuta ran could be adapted for ots

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i like no wide guard valiant in bo1 bc ppl are gonna respect the option regardless

solid frigate
grizzled island
chrome knot
solid frigate
dense latch
grizzled island
dense latch
#

safety goggles loses a lot of its worth when electric terrain already blocks sleep from amoonguss

grizzled island
#

It does 🥲

foggy lodge
#

Go rocky helmet

dense latch
#

what move is activating throat spray on raichu?

foggy lodge
#

And specs on Miraidon

#

I think cloak is just bad on Miraidon it only works for funny gimmicky teams with it

grizzled island
foggy lodge
#

Like the Oranguru one

dense latch
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cloak mirai teams usually have different pokemon arouns it yea

solid frigate
tiny karmaBOT
#
Raichu-Alola's moveset:
Physical Moves

Bide, Body Slam, Brick Break, Counter, Covet, Dig, Double Kick, Double Slap, Double-Edge, Dynamic Punch, Endeavor, Extreme Speed, Facade, Fake Out, Feint, Flail, Fling, Fly, Focus Punch, Frustration, Giga Impact, Headbutt, Heart Stamp, Iron Tail, Knock Off, Last Resort, Mega Kick, Mega Punch, Natural Gift, Nuzzle, Pay Day, Play Rough, Present, Quick Attack, Rage, Return, Reversal, Rock Smash, Rollout, Secret Power, Seismic Toss, Skull Bash, Slam, Spark, Strength, Submission, Take Down, Thief, Thunder Punch, Trailblaze, Upper Hand, Volt Tackle, Wild Charge

Special Moves

Alluring Voice, Charge Beam, Disarming Voice, Discharge, Draining Kiss, Echoed Voice, Electro Ball, Electroweb, Expanding Force, Focus Blast, Future Sight, Grass Knot, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Mud-Slap, Psychic, Psychic Noise, Psyshock, Rising Voltage, Round, Shock Wave, Signal Beam, Snore, Stored Power, Surf, Swift, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunder Shock, Thunderbolt, Uproar, Volt Switch, Zap Cannon

Status Moves

Agility, Ally Switch, Attract, Bestow, Calm Mind, Captivate, Celebrate, Charge, Charm, Confide, Curse, Defense Curl, Detect, Double Team, Eerie Impulse, Electric Terrain, Encore, Endure, Fake Tears, Flash, Follow Me, Growl, Happy Hour, Helping Hand, Hold Hands, Laser Focus, Light Screen, Lucky Chant, Magic Coat, Magic Room, Magnet Rise, Mimic, Nasty Plot, Play Nice, Protect, Psychic Terrain, Rain Dance, Recycle, Reflect, Refresh, Rest, Safeguard, Sing, Skill Swap, Sleep Talk, Speed Swap, Substitute, Swagger, Sweet Kiss, Sweet Scent, Tail Whip, Teeter Dance, Telekinesis, Teleport, Thunder Wave, Tickle, Toxic, Wish, Yawn

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Raichu-Alola.

grizzled island
foggy lodge
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It doesn't need it

dense latch
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i’d swap out discharge for fake out on raichu

solid frigate
#

if you have fari you don't need Cloak

grizzled island
#

Oh okay, I thought it would stop like burn and poison

dense latch
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only when it’s a secondary effect

foggy lodge
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Only from secondary effects but it's not like Miraidon cares

solid frigate
#

outside of speed but Tailwind negates that debuff

dense latch
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yea mirai and incin’s items feel redundant

grizzled island
#

I hate being stuck to one move that's why I was trying to avoid the specs stuff

grizzled island
dense latch
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miraidon is easier to play with specs due to how much even resisted hits deal

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  • volt switch
grizzled island
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Yea

#

Okay so it's the specs item right

dense latch
#

blasting stuff with draco or edrift makes the drawback of specs worth it

grizzled island
#

And what about incin? Idk what item would suit it better

solid frigate
solid frigate
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Mirai Ogre

grizzled island
#

Ooo they have iron crown!

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I saw this team with iron crown that wolfy said he had a hard time beating

solid frigate
#

mine is Electric Terrain version

grizzled island
#

Ooo

chrome knot
#

jesus christ please lock dazzling

#

cx

grizzled island
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Cuz I see people using the whole grassy glide, with orger and rila

solid frigate
#

just Incin

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Incin+ Mirai should be able to beat Rilla

grizzled island
#

Okay tyy

#

What should I Tera my raiachu

solid frigate
#

Fairy but since Alolan Raichu does not have volt Absorb then Maybe Ghost?

dense latch
#

maybe like ghost? something that isnt weak to ground for sure

grizzled island
#

Yes

dense latch
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could be just a neutral type like water ig

grizzled island
#

And in Dyl Yeomans team she uses Tera water frig

dense latch
#

generally a good defensive tera

grizzled island
#

Ahh

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Okay so it's because it's better defense wise?

dense latch
#

yea resistances to calyrex ice and urshifu rapid strike are great

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and you only have two weaknesses

grizzled island
#

Is that ice guy a slow pokémon?

chrome knot
#

gore...

dense latch
chrome knot
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how i love u csr

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im having a weird problem tho

dense latch
foggy lodge
#

Wait how did you one shot a dark ursh

chrome knot
#

and its one i kinda figured id have

dense latch
#

magic

chrome knot
foggy lodge
#

Oh

grizzled island
#

I did it! My teams Tera are all fixed

chrome knot
#

t1 plot, t2 killed their cir

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t3 nuke :3

foggy lodge
#

Average nasty plot CSR experience

dense latch
#

that lunala is 100% down to atoms after that

chrome knot
#

fastest game vs tr ever lolz

dense latch
#

cant imagine what a +3 x4 super effective astral barrage must feel like to a pokemon

grizzled island
#

I hate that I can't change the name of pokémon I was traded. 😭

#

LET ME CHANGE MY ALONAN RAICHUS NAME😡

shadow wind
#

I'm not sure if Incin is the right 6th mon

cyan smelt
#

u need another paradox there

latent leaf
#

Did prime incineroar put up better numbers than prime LeBron

shadow wind
#

Yes

dense latch
# shadow wind Yes

2018 bron carried a team of bums into the finals i’ve never seen incin carry stuff like slurpuff to worlds finals

#

legoat clears

shadow wind
#

I love specs Miraidons

#

The read of spread move into forfeit

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True combo

#

Also this is crazy

tiny karmaBOT
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Move: Protect

The user is protected from most attacks made by other Pokemon during this turn. This move has a 1/X chance of being successful, where X starts at 1 and triples each time this move is successfully used. X resets to 1 if this move fails, if the user's last move used is not Baneful Bunker, Burning Bulwark, Detect, Endure, King's Shield, Max Guard, Obstruct, Protect, Quick Guard, Silk Trap, Spiky Shield, or Wide Guard, or if it was one of those moves and the user's protection was broken. Fails if the user moves last this turn.

Type

Normal

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

PP (max)

10 (16)

Priority

4

Move Flags

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Contact

Does not make contact.

shadow wind
#

Not sure if it's crazy it did that little or that it did that much

dense latch
shadow wind
#

Yeah real

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I'm also 252 HP Groudon

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I mean to be fair

#

It's still stronger than a lot of restricteds...

#

140 base atk
Choice banded
140 base power stab

tiny karmaBOT
#
Pokémon No. 383: Groudon
Type

Ground

Abilities

Drought

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/150/140/100/90/90

Total

670

Other Formes

Groudon-Primal

shadow wind
#

Like my Groudon is fat

#

And he still took 77%

dense latch
#

dealing 77% with a neutral hit to a pokemon with max hp and 100/140 defenses is insane highkey

shadow wind
#

Yes

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9/10 times it will hit harder than a Calyrex

#

Calyrex without a beast boost*

latent leaf
#

Calyrex was a mistake

shadow wind
#

So was Ursaluna

#

A normal type with 140 base power does not need guts 😭

latent leaf
#

Regigigas should get huge power

shadow wind
#

Word

#

I can get behind that

tiny karmaBOT
#
Pokémon No. 486: Regigigas
Type

Normal

Abilities

Slow Start

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

110/160/110/80/110/100

Total

670

shadow wind
#

Yeah seems balanced

cyan smelt
#

conkeldurr has guts and 140 attack

shadow wind
#

Not stab facade

#

Facade has literally zero draw back

rustic mountain
#

that and 2001 76ers had no business being there

dense latch
#

yea i didnt follow basketball but i know about that lmao idk how he did that

rustic mountain
#

insane especially at his age

shadow wind
#

Dang LeBron was putting up numbers before I was even born

cyan smelt
#

ursaluna can be intimidated and stuff though

rustic mountain
#

mans career is older then u

shadow wind
#

My glorious king

latent leaf
#

If rayquaza was faster it would have put up better numbers than lebron poliwhirlkek

rustic mountain
#

mega ray u mean

shadow wind
#

We need a mon that keeps terrains off

rustic mountain
#

weezing

latent leaf
#

Delta stream should turn terrains off

shadow wind
#

I mean as their main ability

atomic mural
shadow wind
#

Not just abilities off

tiny karmaBOT
#
Ability: Cloud Nine

While this Pokemon is active, the effects of weather conditions are disabled.

shadow wind
#

Need this but for the floor

dense latch
#

buff air lock to block terrain and weather

latent leaf
#

Delta stream should disable sound moves

rustic mountain
#

maybe eventually

latent leaf
#

That actually makes sense

#

Air lock too

shadow wind
#

Except liquid voice moves

#

Cause water

dense latch
#

water blown away

shadow wind
#

Then everything gets blown away

#

252+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Volt Switch vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Incineroar in Electric Terrain: 33-39 (113.7 - 134.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

#

I hate this calc

#

Mon is overtuned as frick

cyan smelt
#

amogus

rustic mountain
#

0 spd incin is wild

shadow wind
#

I'm speedy

solid frigate
shadow wind
#

My Incin uses fake out with the swiftness

rustic mountain
solid frigate
rustic mountain
#

tru

cyan smelt
#

why does that look like something from minecraft

shadow wind
#

Minecraft movie pilled

solid frigate
#

do not let the minecraft movie brainwash you

And no it’s someone who made AV irl

rustic mountain
#

its cool they did a good job

shadow wind
#

Yeah it looks dope

solid frigate
rustic mountain
#

honestly a cool quality feature (maybe for ots) would be for them to have the item appear on the mon like that in game

rustic mountain
#

fuck the minecraft movie haha

#

im not watching that shit

shadow wind
#

It was the greatest piece of cinema bro

solid frigate
atomic mural
shadow wind
#

Chicken jockey 🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️

rustic mountain
#

minecraft was a bit passed my time so never had that being something i resonated with

shadow wind
#

Valid

solid frigate
# shadow wind It was the greatest piece of cinema bro

1.Sonic Movie Trilogy(PERFECTION)
2.Super Mario Bros Movie(They hard Fan servicing With bunch of References and the story isn’t bad but a bit rushed)
3.Detective Pikachu(Some weird Pokemon irl Designs but overall not a bad Movie)
4.Minecraft(That js basically carried by memes)

shadow wind
#

Out of those I've only seen the Minecraft movie

solid frigate
atomic mural
#

watch sonic 1 2 and 3 they are all amazing

rustic mountain
#

ive seen 0/4 of those

shadow wind
#

0/6?

rustic mountain
#

yea

#

counted sonic as 1

shadow wind
#

Yeah

atomic mural
#

ok but 1/6 have jack black saying flint and steel

shadow wind
#

The theatre cheered for that

solid frigate
#

If i have to seperate the sonic Movies,3 is the best,2 is No.3 on the list and 1 is like between Super Mario and Detective Pikachu

shadow wind
#

People also threw popcorn when he said "Chicken Jockey"

solid frigate
gentle cragBOT
shadow wind
#

It was funny

#

Only because I was out of the splash zone

#

Different story if I got hit

atomic mural
#

also really annoying if you are a person working there

solid frigate
#

Like we waited for the Minecraft Movie for like a decade and a Half and all we got its Memes

#

I feel dissapointed

shadow wind
#

It had some goated references in it

atomic mural
#

the first draft for the movie looked so much cooler

atomic mural
solid frigate
shadow wind
#

Exactly

solid frigate
#

and thats it

shadow wind
#

DanTDM and Mumbo Jumbo were in it

atomic mural
#

having pigstep was awesome

solid frigate
#

like the only good part of the movie is just 15 seconds

shadow wind
#

Pigstep was indeed epic

solid frigate
shadow wind
#

Yknow that's fair

atomic mural
shadow wind
#

The animation choice was weird

solid frigate
shadow wind
atomic mural
shadow wind
#

Yeah

atomic mural
#

also jeb was in the movie too

solid frigate
#

bro even with Alan becker’s Animation Vs Minecraft would work fine cuz its absolute cinema without dialogues

shadow wind
#

"All this redstone stuff is a bunch of Mumbo Jumbo"

#

I wish they said it 😔

#

Who in the what

solid frigate
shadow wind
#

Yeah nah

rustic mountain
#

gta b sub 1200

atomic mural
#

|i wish the post credit scene had ||the villager voice actor be the guy who voices the villagers in villager news (i forgot their name)||

shadow wind
#

Yes

solid frigate
#

watch me murder them with Mirai Ogre

atomic mural
shadow wind
#

Bro Raichu would get you

solid frigate
rustic mountain
#

raichu a world champ put some respect on its name

shadow wind
#

I didn't know Urshifu could take that little from a special attack

solid frigate
rustic mountain
atomic mural
shadow wind
#

The only way I can describe the Minecraft movie is that I felt 7 again playing Minecraft

atomic mural
#

i can deciribe the minecraft movie as it was the movie of all time

shadow wind
#

Sure was a movie of all time

#

I just clicked wicked blow and then looked away and literally said "Wow that crit was lucky"

shadow wind
#

I even clicked it because I was -1

cyan smelt
#

Maybe I should add urshifu to my team so they can't protect in tr

shadow wind
#

I'm multitasking poorly apparently

rustic mountain
#

wen u remember urshifu

shadow wind
rustic mountain
#

dude i wanna know tf designed that guy

shadow wind
#

That and the Calyrexes

rustic mountain
#

like we gta talk

shadow wind
#

Someone who really likes money

atomic mural
rustic mountain
#

calyrexes are honestly fine tbh, tera just makes em more annoying

shadow wind
#

This is very true

rustic mountain
#

urshifu tho like wtf

#

if u nerf unseen fist to hit thru protect for 30% its fine

cyan smelt
#

Urshifu should get burnt from burning bulwark

shadow wind
#

Nah

atomic mural
#

if i was game freak i would nerf unseen fist to the same amount as z moves hitting protect

shadow wind
#

Or Dynamax...

atomic mural
#

yeah true

shadow wind
#

Used to be somewhat balanced with max guard

rustic mountain
shadow wind
#

Balanced with a huge *

#

Frick that I ain't spellin it

#

Why is it when I want to test teams I get put against Ho oh Dialga

#

What is this helping me test

#

Ah, perfect

#

Infinite luck

#

Also is Overheat the right choice on Volc?

#

Like obviously there's no correct answer to that

#

But in a meta with huge offensive threats is it more worth to run overheat and no invest?

dense latch
#

yuta ran fiery dance on his last team with support volc

#

kinda punishes ignoring it i suppose

shadow wind
#

Did he have sun though?

#

Also why did Rillaboom take 50 from overheat...

#

No invest Volc does not hit

#

I just knew I didn't want heat wave

#

Last 2 turns I was all in

#

The team lowkey feels good

#

Also do any other items work on Lunala?

cyan smelt
#

Leftovers lol

shadow wind
#

I have lefties

#

They just don’t feel great but that might just be me

solid frigate
cyan smelt
#

Power herb

shadow wind
#

I’ve written off power herb

cyan smelt
#

You could run grassy terrain grassy seed

solid frigate
#

My Regular Schedule of Miraidon Kyogre Team be like

shadow wind
#

Pblades AND meteor beam? Heck nah I’m missing everything

shadow wind
#

Well it’s between fiery dance and overheat for me

#

I want to limit my missing moves and I know overheat can miss but it’s a once per switch in move

solid frigate
shadow wind
#

Heat miss more like

#

If I see

“Groudon is using Precipice blades”

“Volcarona is using heat wave”

#

I’m just forfeiting the game then and there

solid frigate
#

I mean

shadow wind
#

Just don’t position them like that, yeah I know I know

solid frigate
#

fiery dance then,Sure it does not give extra way to do burn but having SpA boost

shadow wind
#

I’ll probably test out both

#

Fiery dance and overheat that is

#

I’m also 252 hp 252+ def

#

And I still take 33% from Zama body press

shadow wind
cyan smelt
#

hi wolfey

shadow wind
#

This team was scary

cyan smelt
#

what did the murkrow do

shadow wind
#

Not a lot

#

Got blown the frick up by Bolt

#

But that team was cooked to fight

#

Even though I have 2 dark types they both got hit hard

cyan smelt
#

double ghost is scary

shadow wind
#

Double ghost psyspam

cyan smelt
#

my team has a psyspam mode except no e-force

shadow wind
#

Then is it really psyspam?

cyan smelt
#

ig not, but i don't want lunala to be walled by wide guard

shadow wind
#

Walled by wide guard?

#

Moongeist beam? 🙏

cyan smelt
#

yeah moongeist, meteor beam and moonblast

shadow wind
#

3 attack?

#

Dropped tr I'm guessing?

cyan smelt
#

thinking replacing one of them with tr

#

yeah but tera normal caly-s is a problem

shadow wind
#

Groudon no TR is hard

cyan smelt
#

wait thinking bout replacing one of em with wide guard i meant

shadow wind
#

You were running no wide guard?

cyan smelt
#

i forget now lol i need to check the team again

shadow wind
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Bro is NOT 2nd place at 2022 worlds !

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Only thing I remembered about that team

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No wide guard

cyan smelt
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ok i put wide guard back on it but i was running moonblast for a bit

shadow wind
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I run moonblast

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Got that Flutter mane stabs

cyan smelt
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should i drop wide guard?

shadow wind
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No clue

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I love when I high roll with a 53% then low roll with a 46%

cyan smelt
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i could get rid of indeedee and run something else, idk what else i could run though

shadow wind
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These are the 6 I'm running

cyan smelt
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i'm running bolt, lunala, groudon, indeedee, ogerpon, moon

shadow wind
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Interesting

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I remembering trying Indeedee

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I didn't like the anti-synergy with her and bolt

cyan smelt
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there's enough overwriting terrain that bolt can still use t-clap

shadow wind
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Fair enough

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I ran this day 1

turbid vale
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can anypne build me a tr team

shadow wind
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Sure

turbid vale
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what pokemon can we start euth

shadow wind
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Reg I?

turbid vale
shadow wind
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Alright hard TR or just like soft TR?

turbid vale
shadow wind
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Like TR is an option on the team but not the main focus

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Let me find an example

turbid vale
shadow wind
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So there is a definite difference between soft tr and tailroom teams but for the sake of me explaining it's the same right now

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Worlds 2024 winner team

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While it has Miraidon and tailwind, it also has trick room mons like Iron hands and Farigiraf

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They never need TR up to win the game

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It isn't the main strat but a very useful tool they can utilize

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Stockholm Regional winner

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This is hard tr

turbid vale
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yeah ill think ill go with soft tr

shadow wind
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Hard TR they set up TR every single time

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I don't even know how well hard tr works in Reg I

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So yeah soft tr will probably work better anyway

turbid vale
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mhm

shadow wind
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There's only a couple restricteds that want to be in TR so you'll need to use one of those

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Terapagos, Groudon, CIR

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So if you wanna pick one of those then we can continue

cyan smelt
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you know i might try out iron hands to help deal with zama or at least force a tera

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oh but then i have two electric types nvm

thorny beacon
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15-7 as of now. First time ever getting above 1600 rating

cyan smelt
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transform smeargle is hilarious

cyan smelt
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-8ball should I see how my team goes in bo1 for a while instead of bo3

gentle cragBOT
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should I see how my team goes in bo1 for a while instead of bo3
:8ball: Ask again later

shadow wind
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This might be the dopest icon I've seen

turbid vale
shadow wind
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Calyrex ice rider

turbid vale
shadow wind
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Yeah

turbid vale
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or shadow

shadow wind
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Well CIR is better for tr

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CIR Miraidon is a good combo

turbid vale
shadow wind
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And what?

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The other 4 mons you mean?

cyan smelt
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People have just modified the world's team to add cir

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No ogerpon

shadow wind
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I mean if it ain't broke don't fix it

turbid vale
shadow wind
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Probably something like Iron Hands and Farig for the TR mode