arent some ghost?
#competitive_discussion
craggy dagger
rustic mountain
if ur teams solid zacian usually isnt the 1 forcing ur zama to tera
rustic mountain
arent some ghost?
im running water on mine
craggy dagger
ghost grass dragon iirc?
solid frigate
4 Teras basically
pine lotus
i got a shiny exeggcute, do I go with regular exeggutor or alolan exeggutor?
cyan smelt
damn i had to reinstall windows and lost all my teams in the process
astral kelp
@solid frigate what are you running on zac? I was running terá ground terá blast but I'm a bit iffy on it
Since csr can be kind of a tera absorber
solid frigate
i got a shiny exeggcute, do I go with regular exeggutor or alolan exeggutor?
neither
both of them kinda sucked anyway
solid frigate
alolan maybe
thanks for letting me spam Dgleam
gentle cragBOT
thanks for letting me spam Dgleam
morrispxg456 has given 1 Gen Rep to wigglerrie123
astral kelp
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2339456954
how fucked up that csr is so good that i win that anyways
stupid fucking move
rustic mountain
astral kelp
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2339459173
i kinda wanna try hooh plus incin now
maybe some rilla boom action
astral kelp
yknow im realizing that if i outspeed their entire team with miraidon and underspeed with alomola i can basically get infinite free volt switches
dense latch
Yknow my bad
in which depths of the ladder are you in for you to face scorching sands pagos and cyclizar
groudon needs some prescription
shadow wind
Right bottom of Bo3
dense latch
what was cyclizar's role in your opponent's team
dense latch
oh yea
dense latch
why miss pblades when u can miss pblades and play rough right
astral kelp
dense latch
I'm also using Torracat
this feels a bit more experimental than zacian
just a bit though
torracat is faster right?
shadow wind
Well I wanted Fake out but my AV is already being used and I have Pao ice spinner
astral kelp
Is this how scald felt?
hes just better
astral kelp
its just incineroar 2 eletric boogaloo
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
dense latch
thoughts on having three incineroars on the same team
azure ether
thoughts on having three incineroars on the same team
Wolfey would like to know your location
shadow wind
God dang it
dense latch
again
dense latch
how badly does your groudon hate you
shadow wind
Nah it's lowkey fine, these 2 solo half the game
dense latch
also what tera was zacian running??
shadow wind
Ground
dense latch
did you tera to fire and get hit with tera ground?
shadow wind
I tera fire'd for no wisp
dense latch
bet that makes sense
shadow wind
I took 100% of his elo
dense latch
X
dense latch
omw to run clear amulet dragapult
shadow wind
I can't lose this trade 🙏
charred saddle
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2339470721-xrdp3ucslmfn8k485n4wn0p6cplqa9opw
4 spA drop in a single game
30% my fucking ass
shadow wind
Now 3 games in a row is a bit wild
But there's been worse
Wait knock off doesn't work on booster energy?
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
rich lake
When the pokemon holding the booster energy is sent out the energy is used up and is no longer a held item iirc
charred saddle
ye
dense latch
nah it doesnt knock it off even if it's not used up i just checked
dense latch
Knock Off cannot remove a Z-Crystal from any Pokémon, a Mega Stone or Orb if the target could use it to Mega Evolve or undergo Primal Reversion, a memory if the target is Silvally, a Rusted Sword from Zacian, a Rusted Shield from Zamazenta, any of the Hearthflame, Wellspring, or Cornerstone Masks from Ogerpon, or a Booster Energy from any Paradox Pokémon (excluding Koraidon and Miraidon), even if it hasn't consumed the item because its Ability triggered from the appropriate weather or terrain condition instead.
astral kelp
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2339474240
lol this team is so dumb i love it
shadow wind
Knock Off cannot remove a Z-Crystal from any Pokémon, a Mega Stone or Orb if the...
Yeah that just came into play
astral kelp
I can't lose this trade 🙏
i think its so fucking funny that they gave entei a cape
"how can we make this mon look cool?"
"give him a fucking superman cape"
shadow wind
Yeah and he's frickin sick
astral kelp
it worked thats the funniest part
cyan smelt
Inner focus mons are cool
shadow wind
I like all Gen 2 Legendaries
bold geode
Zam Ogre is low-key strong
astral kelp
hot take
other than very few specific standout mons, gen 2 is the worst gen
either gen 2 or gen 4
shadow wind
Wow
astral kelp
no you cant just say 1 mon im saying as a gen in general
shadow wind
Scizor
astral kelp
every other gen has more cool mons
astral kelp
what gen is worse than gen 2 then?
strange fjord
Starters are cool, Furret, Crobat, Mareep line, Wooper line, Umbreon, Espeon, Steelix, Scizor, Shuckle, Skarmory, Kingdra, Raikou, Suicune, Entei, Tyranitar are pretty cool imo
astral kelp
like ofc every gen is gonna have at least a few great mons
but no other gen has as many ehhhhhh mons as gen 2
like i literally didnt know this mon existed untill i looked up gen 2 mons lmfao
shadow wind
New genner
strange fjord
fr
shadow wind
No culture for old gens
astral kelp
dont get me wrong i love gen 1 gen 3 and even gen 4 for some extent
rustic mountain
I took 100% of his elo
how tf u even get 1005 lmao, win 1 lose 1 ig?
astral kelp
porygon 2 is on my top 10 list
shadow wind
Win 1 lose 2 I think
astral kelp
but if i had to chose a gen it would be gen 2
shadow wind
You lose like nothing at 1050
rustic mountain
tru
shadow wind
Tree what are your thoughts on Gen 2
rustic mountain
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2339487718-3noo0e0i3uftqgpi5axip48ootfn8dppw
they got multiple calls right and i still won
shadow wind
rustic mountain
Tree what are your thoughts on Gen 2
as a region? mid. mon wise? mostly cool
rustic mountain
gen 1 is way too high
astral kelp
i just really like the paradox mons
astral kelp
oh fuck yeah i forgot about megas
shadow wind
And gen 7 was just really really good
astral kelp
gen 6 definitevly over gen 7 including meags
i got gen 1 first because its just so iconic
when you think of pokemon its the gen 1 pokemon that come to mind
rustic mountain
excluding the gens i havent played id go like
gen 3>gen 9 > gen 8 > gen 5 > gen 4 > gen 1 > gen 2
shadow wind
You haven't played Gen 6 or 7???
rustic mountain
nope
astral kelp
gen 2 over gen 8 and 9 crazy
shadow wind
Criminal
astral kelp
boomer bias fr
astral kelp
oh yeah game wise probably
rustic mountain
makes even less sense then
astral kelp
im talking about the mons specifically
shadow wind
Yeah I wasn't
rustic mountain
u rate it on everything
shadow wind
makes even less sense then
I know I just really didn't feel it when playing gen 9
rustic mountain
fair enough, i cant speak to ur experience
shadow wind
It is probably too low but only 9 things to rank makes every decision seem extreme
astral kelp
i really liked the open worldness of it
shadow wind
"Open worldness"
rustic mountain
gen 9 is cool
shadow wind
It had set levels
astral kelp
bruh those are called regfions
cyan smelt
I need to register for Melbourne soon and book hotel and flights
astral kelp
i like how its nonlinear thats the one thing that kinda bored me about other mon games
rustic mountain
ppl hated swsh wen it released now its like ppl look at it in such a different light
same thing w/ gen 5
astral kelp
i feel like swsh is definitevly worse than gen 9
cyan smelt
It's not really non linear though because the levels don't scale
astral kelp
gen 5 is my favorite gen
rustic mountain
i loved swsh personally but yea i have it below sv
shadow wind
Yeah well I can go fight Waterblight then Thunderblight but I can't go fight Grusha then Katy
astral kelp
gen 5 has the highest concentration of favorite mons by far and gen 3 was my favorite game as a kid so thats the only reason they are higher
rustic mountain
Yeah well I can go fight Waterblight then Thunderblight but I can't go fight Gru...
open world just means u can technically go anywhere w/o it being locked by story, doesnt mean everything is gna be scaled to the absolute tee on what ur progress is at that moment. i get it can seem limiting but thats just how they wanted it 
cyan smelt
But some places are locked behind ride abilities too
astral kelp
yeah true they could have definitevly done it better
shadow wind
But some places are locked behind ride abilities too
That's fine
cyan smelt
I hope plza has double battles
shadow wind
That wouldn't even work
Not how you are imagining it anyway
PLZA got that Xenoblade combat
2v2 means nothing when it isn't turned based
rustic mountain
to me i look at where we were in pokemon games and where we are now and they arent perfect but theyve made some really solid strides, u can see the foundation theyve built on starting back to swsh wild area to pla zones and then to svs more open world
astral kelp
i love what they are doing with the legends games
legends arceus is prolly the best game so far
rustic mountain
i wouldnt go that far but it was really fun
astral kelp
they just have these separate games where they stray off the format
rustic mountain
it had potential they kinda just dropped the game tho
astral kelp
which is awesome with something as stale as pokemon
cyan smelt
They didn't give it time to breathe before they announced sv, hope they don't do the same with plza
shadow wind
USUM are by far my favourite games in the series
astral kelp
i should play ultra sun/ultra moon
havent gotten the chance to
i wish they released all of those games on the switch
rustic mountain
They didn't give it time to breathe before they announced sv, hope they don't do...
doesnt seem like they will either w/ lza being end of this year, champions likely early-mid next year w/ gen 10 likely gna be end of 2026 to cap off their 30 year anniversary
rustic mountain
ben 10? nah gen 10
shadow wind
Gwen 10
shadow wind
Gen 7 remake
rustic mountain
nah not yet
cyan smelt
Surely more likely to get legends alola than gen 7 remake
Oh yeah conner I was thinking about abandoning tr on my team and replacing female Indeedee with male Indeedee, thoughts?
shadow wind
Lunala Groudon would struggle into HO TW CSR teams
cyan smelt
Yeah idk what to do
astral kelp
nd who knows if they squeeze a gen 5 remake in there somewhere
yes pls
cyan smelt
Maybe ho oh does have better synergy with Groudon than lunala
shadow wind
If you're going to use Ho oh then just use Koraidon Ho oh
astral kelp
prolly unusuable unless its groudon on koraidon right?
cyan smelt
Idk I'll stick with lunadon for now and see what I struggle with
astral kelp
switch 2 exclusive its $90
astral kelp
lmfao
rustic mountain
the duality of groudon
shadow wind
One must master him
rustic mountain
shadow wind
Yknow would would make perfect synergy with Groudon?
rustic mountain
if u say xerneas
shadow wind
Yveltal 😔
shadow wind
I miss him so
cyan smelt
Yippee xerneas flutter mane
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
astral kelp
holy
shadow wind
Makin me sad don't remind me
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
cyan smelt
Groudon yveltal chi yu
rustic mountain
we r better off cuz it means no xerneas
cyan smelt
I think it's more that they could tera out of their weaknesses
shadow wind
we r better off cuz it means no xerneas
I'd deal with it
astral kelp
le sucker punch
shadow wind
Trust trust
astral kelp
his dark type options are pretty bad yikes
rustic mountain
unless thats their way of prolonging svs life is by adding gen 6 restricteds and new mons in for the last format and worlds next year
astral kelp
hes got literally only dark pulse LMAO
shadow wind
And dark pulse is strong
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
rustic mountain
yveltal is too fair
astral kelp
in all my chi-yu games ive literally never hit a dark pulse flinch lmao
pretty mid offensive type too
rustic mountain
its solid, hits most things neutral
shadow wind
Nah it's goated
Man it's hard finding Groudon synergy nowadays
Koraidon this Koraidon that
astral kelp
bro lives in a protosynthesys world
shadow wind
Groudon exclusive synergies
shadow wind
And that's because he's only good at MISSING
astral kelp
isnt it unfair how cir gets ice precipice blades but has 100% hit rate
shadow wind
Yes
shadow wind
But CIR is $29.99
So
Nah Groudon used to be the goat
Like the goat of goats
You don't win worlds twice by being the middle child
astral kelp
bro he got the itty bitty island
shadow wind
And making it to the finals every year you've been legal except for Gen 9
shadow wind
bro he got the itty bitty island
AND HE NEVER GAVE UP
shadow wind
He don't need it
astral kelp
focus punch groudon when
i think the only reason is just because physical attackers are kinda like
screwed over
shadow wind
Why are proto mons so fast 😔
cyan smelt
They like going fast
cyan smelt
Not bolt and not brute bonnet
cyan smelt
Scream tail is super annoying
shadow wind
Yeah
astral kelp
THIS IS MY 4TH METEOR BEAM MISS IN A ROLL
cyan smelt
Why are you using it on hands it'll do like no damage
astral kelp
because i dont wanna kill either of them and give miraidon a free switch
shadow wind
So the restricted I use doesn't matter I guess
First draco with the team
Eternally bound to the hand I was dealt
Next game 🙏
astral kelp
youre just cursed man\
shadow wind
God gives his strongest warriors his toughest battles
fierce topaz
Not funny at all 🤣
Because I am usually the one on the other side and precipice blade always hit my pokemon for some reason
shadow wind
What a world that must be
fierce topaz
But I have to run wide lens on chi yu because heat wave... Well you know
shadow wind
My goat !!
Bro was so confident in his CSR super critting
But also Spell tag CSR did nothing
charred saddle
cute
shadow wind
Must’ve been like no invest
fierce topaz
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regibo3-2339531533-wub2u7cn5n94rsa...
Interesting team with howl Gouging Fire in the mix
I run a similar Groudon team with Jumpluff
astral kelp
god idk about moon
maybe i shouldve switched weezer out
didnt play around scarshifu
shadow wind
Interesting team with howl Gouging Fire in the mix
Thanks! I’m currently in the stage of “I have no idea what I’m doing anymore and I hope one of the 100 teams I made today can work”
I hope I can make a good team again
astral kelp
Thanks! I’m currently in the stage of “I have no idea what I’m doing anymore and...
may i recomend
shadow wind
Weezing is only to be used on extremely specific and well made teams and I don’t feel like thinking too hard and making one
shadow wind
I wasn’t really referring to your team but sure
fierce topaz
I hope I can make a good team again
I understand your pain I only just started playing vgc and competitive
My teams are finally becoming viable
Weezing can be a pain...
astral kelp
I wasn’t really referring to your team but sure
anyways are you still tryna make ho oh work?
astral kelp
it doesnt feel too bad sacred fire is a pretty insane move
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
fierce topaz
Omg how many times have I lost before I finally started to win some games
shadow wind
Yeah until it misses
astral kelp
whats with older mons and gamefreak being a freak for that 5% miss chance
fierce topaz
Rarely lol
shadow wind
Have to add some risk
astral kelp
1 in 20 is not that rare tbh
meteor beam is 1 in 10 and i missied 4 in roll recently
timber falcon
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2339547401-08miuvyadnsrkfxuw9...
Non booster energy moon?
astral kelp
Non booster energy moon?
timber falcon
So roaring and wheezing combo probably won’t be very helpful lol
astral kelp
the idea is that moon outspeeds whimsy and tornados and weezing outspeeds both in tailwind so i can tailwind taunt their tailwind away and kinda win the game from there
timber falcon
Ok I get that
But it doesn’t seem to help against mons that outspeeds it naturally
astral kelp
i can always switch weeezing out to get the boost
timber falcon
True
astral kelp
this way i cal also save the boost for later in the game
since its a once per game effect
real prairie
astral kelp
yeah this team is really fuckikng hard to pilot
like 80% of the time i lose because i misplayed in some way shape or form
the other 20% is follow me trick room lmao
and them killing clefairy
timber falcon
Do you have a CIR answer?
fierce topaz
Well I mean there's rarer but 1/20 is still pretty rare to me
astral kelp
yea clefairy
timber falcon
I mean like, resistance to lance
fierce topaz
It just feels like it happens way too much sometimes. That's all
timber falcon
I feel like ice type resistance is important whilst CIR is around
Because you’re gonna have to wait out tr sometimes
astral kelp
cir isnt much of an issue since i can just kill it most of the time
timber falcon
So then how does TR sweep you?
astral kelp
getting outsped really sucks for this team lol\
csr is really squishy
honestly maybe i dont even bring csr into trick room
timber falcon
Have u tried dondozo
astral kelp
what why?
timber falcon
I’ve seen a lot of wheezing + CSR + Tatsudozo teams
astral kelp
heres some differnet version ive tried
astral kelp
I’ve seen a lot of wheezing + CSR + Tatsudozo teams
in reg g maybe lol
timber falcon
Yh. But surely (especially against tr) it’s helpful
mint void
heres some differnet version ive tried
Ngl...maybe hope a lil less anrd and test longer
astral kelp
thing is i dont really have space for anything like that
mint void
Imo your issue is Geezing
timber falcon
What’s your gameplan? Set up tailwind, nerf opponent and sweep?
mint void
It doesnt provide a lot.
astral kelp
What’s your gameplan? Set up tailwind, nerf opponent and sweep?
pretty much
timber falcon
Imo your issue is Geezing
Agreed, team doesn’t seem to be really built around it
astral kelp
wdym issue is geezing?
one of the things that makes weezing great is shutting down weather and terrain
timber falcon
It nerfs 4 of your mons, and doesn’t actually give you much of an advantage
astral kelp
originally the idea was to run with zacian to counter intimidate
timber falcon
The team seems to just make opponents down to your level, rather than to boost one of your mons abilities. E.g Regigigas / ability shield incineroar
astral kelp
It nerfs 4 of your mons, and doesn’t actually give you much of an advantage
idc about pressure, if i have clefairy next to weezing i have bigger problems, it doesnt really nerf moon that much because of what i said before and moldbreaker is kinda situational
shadow wind
But pressure is like the entire point of a team
timber falcon
So why pick mons with useless abilities is my question?
astral kelp
But pressure is like the entire point of a team
huh not this one this is meteor beam eternatus
shadow wind
If you apply no pressure your opponent can do whatever
astral kelp
If you apply no pressure your opponent can do whatever
i meant the ability pressure 
timber falcon
CSR is pretty pressuring lol
fierce topaz
Wow great advice
shadow wind
i meant the ability pressure <:KEKW:800390723262349352>
😔
Me when I am scrolling and misunderstand
timber falcon
But yeah, I feel like you could take way more advantage of wheezing on this team
Assuming the team is built around it
astral kelp
is less built around it and more like
fierce topaz
Me when I am scrolling and misunderstand
Don't worry you will get better at it
astral kelp
it lets me do a lot of stuff i cant do otherwise
id say playing with weezing is one of the hardest thigns you can do in pokemon
fierce topaz
Not really
timber falcon
Wheezing is actually pretty good in most situations lmao
fierce topaz
It's bulky and people can struggle to get rid of it
timber falcon
Try using lugia 
shadow wind
Lugia my goat 🙏🙏
lost sun
I got a shiny Lugia in radical red
fierce topaz
And if you know how to play have it with acid spray to help special attackers
astral kelp
lol flashbacks to that one lugia psych up team
fierce topaz
My best match was against a weezing and miraidon
timber falcon
lol flashbacks to that one lugia psych up team
Niche gameplay 101
fierce topaz
I still won though
timber falcon
Wait why wheezing and miraidon
astral kelp
Niche gameplay 101
lmao
fierce topaz
I always throw whimsicott and indeed against weezing and Tailwind boom
timber falcon
I pray one day a viable lugia team is made
fierce topaz
Wait why wheezing and miraidon
Miradon was in the back and weezing stayed till the last part of the match
astral kelp
lugia is so bulky im sure we can do something
fierce topaz
So basically at the end I was up against Miraidon and weezing
fierce topaz
With at least 1 of my Pokemon which had been acid sprayed (flutter mane)
shadow wind
that team was full comited to meme
…
timber falcon
any ideas for a final mon?
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
timber falcon
evs are completely random btw
fierce topaz
Flutter mane was still able to survive Miraidon's attack and I won
astral kelp
why didnt i run aeroblast actually
timber falcon
Flutter mane was still able to survive Miraidon's attack and I won
thats what im hoping mine can do lol
shadow wind
any ideas for a final mon?
Rillaboom and give Incin goggles
fierce topaz
thats what im hoping mine can do lol
With no invests in defenses
I was flabbergasted
timber falcon
oh damn
fierce topaz
Flutter Mane is a special tank
timber falcon
Rillaboom and give Incin goggles
wouldve gone rilla if i didnt have 3x weakness to ice
shadow wind
Hm
That’s a fair point
But have you considered will o wisp on Incin?
No more ice weaknesses! (85% of the time)
astral kelp
real
timber falcon
i have, originally i was safety goggles wisp incin
astral kelp
kyurem white time
shadow wind
Hmm and that didn’t work?
Cause Terapagos + Grassy terrain is also great
As well as providing a Kyogre solution for Groudon
timber falcon
but seeing as in double restricted the yield of POWERFUL spatckers ca,me into play, i swapped to av and have been getting rather insane value off it
timber falcon
As well as providing a Kyogre solution for Groudon
3 solutions in the team already
so i didnt really feel the need to add another mon based off it
shadow wind
Valid
timber falcon
ig for my last mon, im looking for a physical attacker than can survive in trick room
shadow wind
Lemme think, I’ll come up with something
Bulky Ogerpon Hearth?
Takes great advantage of the sun as well as provides anti spore with follow me
timber falcon
thats a good shout
shadow wind
And can Tera into an ice resist
astral kelp
Bulky Ogerpon Hearth?
idk who recomended me these evs but its been feeling amazing
was it you or link?
timber falcon
i think heart can work tbh, ill have to workround flying type chip though
timber falcon
idk who recomended me these evs but its been feeling amazing
is there a calc for this set?
astral kelp
what flying type is in the meta rn?
timber falcon
tornadus
astral kelp
is there a calc for this set?
idk someone who won something used this
astral kelp
yep can comfirm
astral kelp
like 3 i think? lemme check
shadow wind
Probably dies to the 3rd
astral kelp
164+ Atk Calyrex-Ice Rider Glacial Lance vs. 220 HP / 252+ Def Ogerpon-Hearthflame: 76-91 (41.5 - 49.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
yeah
timber falcon
do people not run 252 anymore
astral kelp
only lives 1 if its max attack
shadow wind
do people not run 252 anymore
Not usually
People are shifting to more defensive evs
It’s common
Why do you need to OHKO if you can just live and 2HKO
timber falcon
i think ill test the team out with 5 mons before i add pon
astral kelp
still a good third of calyrexes
timber falcon
so its worth worrying max attack
astral kelp
yeah but its still 2 shot
you outspeed and 2 shot it back lol
1 shot if you tera
+1 12 Atk Tera-Fire Ogerpon-Hearthflame Ivy Cudgel (1.2x Mask Boost) vs. 244 HP / 0 Def Calyrex-Ice Rider: 228-272 (110.6 - 132%) -- guaranteed OHKO
timber falcon
guess my gameplan would be pagos + incin for now
i should be thinking of more ways to support pagos tbh
shadow wind
Favourites don’t belong in VGC
astral kelp
but youd prolly want something like this
timber falcon
Favourites don’t belong in VGC
someone out there has CSR as their favourite
astral kelp
Favourites don’t belong in VGC
what if my favorite is urshifu rs
timber falcon
but youd prolly want something like this
thanks, i think i will consider this, as both my restricteds are quite bulky
gentle cragBOT
thanks, i think i will consider this, as both my restricteds are quite bulky
otot8953 has given 1 Gen Rep to k4x1
astral kelp
its actually not too bad
draining kiss can still one shot moon
and urshi dark i thionk
i might be wrong tho i might be thinking of a different set
shadow wind
draining kiss can still one shot moon
There is doubt with this
fierce topaz
Who's playing the online competition tomorrow?
timber falcon
then again, i might ignore the ice weakness and just roll with rilla, my mouth is frothing at the synergy and value
fierce topaz
That's so hard to me they are not nice at all
You have to sweat to win a match
Last time I ranked below 4000
timber falcon
wait is there a GC im missing
fierce topaz
Yes pretty soon
timber falcon
reg G?
fierce topaz
It's an online competition
timber falcon
phew, ive got a rental i can use then
fierce topaz
It's each month and there's like 13000 people that participate each time which is why it's so hard
fierce topaz
Compared to ranked vgc where there's 10 times that number
astral kelp
0 SpA Comfey Draining Kiss vs. 28 HP / 4 SpD Roaring Moon: 100-120 (54.3 - 65.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO yeah no nvm i was thinking the other set lol
fierce topaz
It's pretty early this month compared to the last 3 months
I wonder if we can say it's 10 times harder
But making a mistake is unforgivable in that format
timber falcon
CTS too
fierce topaz
What is cts?
timber falcon
closed team sheets
timber falcon
welp get ready for it
fierce topaz
I had the chance to but the person bailed on me
They were trying to showcase a team before atlanta
fierce topaz
welp get ready for it
I hope so. I need to find an opponent
But thank god she was unable because I would have lost
Thanks to her I was able to modify my team and it's so much better now
Now the team is going to the online comp and I am pretty confident
shadow wind
What’s the team?
fierce topaz
Wait a bit
Pretty simple
I had way worst has a team last time and I did well
Exeggutor has expanding force in place of leaf storm and Torkoal has white herb
shadow wind
What in tarnation are those evs?
fierce topaz
I did my best
I see nothing wrong with the ev's
Only thing that is wrong on the sheet is whimsicott spread
252 hp should go to speed
That's how it is on the switch anyways
shadow wind
I see nothing wrong with the ev's
Nothing? Nothing at all?
144, 135, and 121 are not evs that should be used ever
fierce topaz
Ok
shadow wind
They just don’t have any benefit
fierce topaz
Ok
fierce topaz
I know about that fact
shadow wind
So 4, 12, 20, 28, 36, 44 etc..
fierce topaz
I'mma stop you now
All of these was and is still experimental
I don't need your advice at this point
shadow wind
Experimenting what? If 131 is x - 4 / 8 😭😭
shadow wind
But if you knew then why have evs strewn about not doing anything?
shadow wind
I’m just confused at what you mean by experimenting
fierce topaz
As in I only started doing ev and iv training in like january
Before that period of time I was not bothered by that
And literally never played vgc or comp
That's what I meant
shadow wind
Just showdown doesn’t let you put in values that don’t match stat increases
So you’re telling me manually put in 121 and thought it was right?
fierce topaz
Ok ty for letting me know
fierce topaz
So you’re telling me manually put in 121 and thought it was right?
I did not do the math in my head
I am sure someone had to tell you or maybe you read it somewhere
shadow wind
There’s a slider…
shadow wind
Congrats?
fierce topaz
Ty
shadow wind
You want a medal or something?
fierce topaz
Lets get back to the game
This is getting embarassing
But ty for your help
Next time try not to be so mean
shadow wind
I live by my own rules 😎
shadow wind
K wait lemme grab one
fierce topaz
😂
fierce topaz
That happens a lot I realised
Shhhs I hate Entei
Wait why is the team called that?
timber falcon
https://pokepast.es/1cd0a701210359c6
based off the name, shouldnt groudon be Gojo?
no, jogo
timber falcon
fair enough
shadow wind
I got 7th on ladder with it
shadow wind
The showdown Bo1 Reg G ladder
fierce topaz
Ahhh
GG
Thanks to your your team I now see something
Without Rillaboom it all falls
shadow wind
Rillaboom is very good but that team had 3 ice weaknesses which made some MUs extremely hard and luck based
fierce topaz
I am sure you know how to go around that
I played ice rider once or twice
I mainly play shadow rider
shadow wind
Never in my life have I played a horse
fierce topaz
So your team is anti horse
shadow wind
I mean I don’t play the team anymore but I think it came down to prio spam
shadow wind
What team?
fierce topaz
The one you showed
fierce topaz
That team isn’t very popular
If you say so
Seethe... I am now redoing my ev spreads for the team
next stump
Who's playing the online competition tomorrow?
👋 unfortunately i am
astral kelp
oh man i feel bad for winning this lmao
fierce topaz
Gg
next stump
yeah it is tough, i hate that they’re used for worlds qualification but that’s the world we live in
so gotta play it
astral kelp
does ursaluna die to +1 csr psychic
nope
WAIT IM DUMB WHY DIDNT I JHUST SWITCH WEEZER IN
deactivating guts just wins me the game maan
next stump
rip
cyan smelt
i thought gc was only worlds qualification for japan and korea
fierce topaz
yeah it is tough, i hate that they’re used for worlds qualification but that’s t...
Are they?
next stump
it gives points to EU and NA
fierce topaz
So you have to be in the top 10 or sothg?
fierce topaz
it gives points to EU and NA
Ok
next stump
for Japan you need to be in the Top 75 (or maybe 125) players
cyan smelt
oh so not oceania then lol
next stump
for EU and NA you get points based off how well you place
fierce topaz
Damn it
next stump
oceania i think is the game as EU and NA
cyan smelt
oh
fierce topaz
I need to delve more into this
next stump
competitive is super fun, give it a shot sometime. This season kinda sucked because they made achieving an invite to the world championship very difficult
fierce topaz
Like Atlanta is pretty soon or has started but if you wanted to participate. You could based off of the online comp?
next stump
but the last couple of years it was a LOT easier and really fun to compete and try to go for one
Atlanta and other regionals are just paying money to wnter
no qualification necessary
fierce topaz
Ok cool
I did not have the time to compete or play online too much before but now I can
And I will
next stump
nice, good timing too with pokemon champions hopefully coming out eventually
next stump
legends arceus didn’t have competitive so idk if ZA will, but eventually years down the line we will get ZA pokemon transferable into the main games
fierce topaz
It would be so cool if they did something
But we'll see
I think you are probably right though. This is just me hoping
astral kelp
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2339612058-tew53962521rawebaeqnvbyqnku1c5jpw
god csr is so broken
i need priority moves or something to deal with that bullshit, should i bring roaring moon in this matchup next time
how could i have played that better?
maybe that turn 1 nasty plot was way to greedy
also that csr switch at the end
i shouldve defiitevly gone hearthflame
or maybe just let eternatus die
weezing was probably a bad bring into csr iron hands but i wanted to stop grimsnarl
lofty tartan
legends arceus didn’t have competitive so idk if ZA will, but eventually years d...
Good luck in the GC - I've stuck to my break from VGC for the entirety of Reg G, and since the rewards are poop and I won't likely qualify, I can safely duck out of those 
Much more concerned with Reg I and beyond, though still won't probably compete at the higher tiers again til Gen 10
But then, sky's the limit
astral kelp
im thinking about my team
what does ogerpon actually do for me
theres so much i dont have in this team and i feel like ogers roles are kinda already filled
follow me and damage
what about chien pao to deal with my lando weakness?
i dont have many physical mons to justify it tho
lol do i just run urshifu
it might as well still have its ability because they always have to play around weezing switching out
jaunty briar
lol do i just run urshifu
Instead of ogerpon?
Wait thats a double battle team right
astral kelp
Instead of ogerpon?
yea
astral kelp
Wait thats a double battle team right
vgc lol
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
jaunty briar
No but i meant like
Nah tbh wait
You got eternatus weezing and clefairy as tanks
Me personally id say urshifu yeah
astral kelp
i got eternatus as a fast attacker
jaunty briar
I dislike ogerpon and dont think hes rlly strong as well
jaunty briar
i got eternatus as a fast attacker
Yeah i know but even with that build hes still tanky
astral kelp
oger is insnaley broken but idk just not on this team
jaunty briar
oger is insnaley broken but idk just not on this team
Could be, i agree though
You dont have a lot of typing variations
lost sun
thoughts
jaunty briar
its alright
Good enough
chrome knot
what is the point of rhydon
jaunty briar
what is the point of rhydon
Was boutta say
chrome knot
whims should also have light screen
jaunty briar
I mean
lost sun
eh
jaunty briar
I understand the eviolite on rhydon
lost sun
rhydons for ground and lightning rod
jaunty briar
But idk tbh i think rhyperior could still be more valuable
chrome knot
u dont rly need to protect it as dying to setup a more aggressive boardstate is in ur favour especially on miraidon
chrome knot
rhydons for ground and lightning rod
on god just use lando…
chrome knot
id also consider sucker punch > jab u dont rly need to specifically hit fairy bc that type dies to hitting it for neutral which ur team does a good job of already, if not rhydon being lando i can even see pon fire working here
jaunty briar
Its crazy defenses can tank some
chrome knot
mirai/kyogre is mostly a HO core so i dont super see the need for 2 brick wall pieces
jaunty briar
id also consider sucker punch > jab u dont rly need to specifically hit fairy bc...
On urshifu?
chrome knot
that dont just hinder ur own board
chrome knot
hyper offence
lost sun
ah
jaunty briar
thoughts
Scarfed kyogre and spamming water spout is OP
If youre running it js make sure you max out your pp since its only a 5 PP move and maxed its 8 PP
next stump
always important to max your PP
chrome knot
always important to max your PP
uhuh.
jaunty briar
always important to max your PP
Fr fr you never know what kind of irritating long-term builds youll run into
chrome knot
no i said uhuh in a 🤨 way
craggy dagger
oh
chrome knot
yes but theyre quite niche and i think you can play optimally to not lose to encore locks
astral kelp
man the pokemon community is actually kinda amazing
i was asking how i could get a calyrex without shsh and this dude just gave me one
and like everyones like that by far the best game community ive been in
bold geode
yes but theyre quite niche and i think you can play optimally to not lose to enc...
Emma Emma
chrome knot
whaaaat
chrome knot
good morning
bold geode
How doing
bold geode
What no
Stop that
Hugs 
chrome knot
i dunno its hard being the only vgc player locally, no events and i dont rly like online practice
closest locals are 3ish hours away
mint void
Nothing else u want/can do?
Sure VGC is ur main thing I guess but is there nothing else you enjoy?
mint void
i was asking how i could get a calyrex without shsh and this dude just gave me o...
I assume u arent gonna try to go to regionals with it but Id be careful with that
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
solid frigate
entrainment Hliligant <:kekpoli:1183398508133355571>
i saw that before when i am fighting someone
and they got baited
vocal plume
Seems weird that Shadow Shield isn't on this list
mint void
@bold geode you think I can just replace the dozo ting lu mode with Dozo Giri?
bold geode
i dunno its hard being the only vgc player locally, no events and i dont rly lik...
Damn
bold geode
<@817628066020065280> you think I can just replace the dozo ting lu mode with Do...
I mean I have no clue
Me personally I'd stick with Ting Dozo but if you really wanna do that it's your call
Though I'd change the Dozo EVs and stuff
chrome knot
i was supposed to go to toronto cup on sunday but
now very suddenly dont have a ride so im just stuck
bold geode
That sucks
chrome knot
sometimes i feel stuck ig
bold geode
Same honestly
mint void
sometimes i feel stuck ig
Litterally or mentally
untold urchin
@thorny beacon @charred saddle @spiral ridge 
and so it begins
mint void
@untold urchinit doesnt yet tho no?
untold urchin
Ive never played vgc before is what I am referring to
spiral ridge
<@482893290266427422> <@1060975738678947880> <@725406472464498719> <:thisisfined...
I’m building team rn
untold urchin
It is stupid to register for a competition without any knowledge at all
Which is precisely why I am doing it 
spiral ridge
Nova doesn’t seem to be around to give iron hands so uh oh
untold urchin
OH THATS WHO I FORGOT TO PING
spiral ridge
Wowww
untold urchin
THE ONE WHO MADE THE DAMN TEAM 
@craggy dagger look im gonna lose :D
spiral ridge
WAIT I HAVE A HANDS
untold urchin
I hope to god you have hands
spiral ridge
AH FUCK ITS MY RAID ONE
untold urchin
Do you need a hands
spiral ridge
that’s a last resort
If you could give me an iron hands yes please
Funny thing is this hands is also yours
untold urchin
Oh 
Was it one from way back in the day where you had nothing for raids so I was like I gotchu
spiral ridge
Yup lmfao
untold urchin
Anyways I have a couple raid shiny hands but those are gross
spiral ridge
The one you gave me is shiny 😭
untold urchin
So Im gonna go hunt one sandwich real quick since we have time
spiral ridge
Oh uh
It needs to be 0 speed
untold urchin
Hmmm was that distribution one 0 speed
rustic mountain
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2339989068-fhehx8dv112cor6obxdbpkjtip3ceq1pw
this t5 play was so sexy
craggy dagger
THE ONE WHO MADE THE DAMN TEAM <:kekhands:1179615323146702938> <@541037106496012...
hi what’s up?
untold urchin
If you lemme use the restroom and check this dough Im going to make first
untold urchin
hi what’s up?
Im playing the gc with the team you made me
Im not gonna win at all but 
craggy dagger
Im playing the gc with the team you made me
Im not gonna win at all but <:PThum...
oh the miraidon alolan raichu team?
Goodluckkkk 
untold urchin
Yeah
Minh changed it a bit though
craggy dagger
yaya
untold urchin
Said some swears 
craggy dagger
lmao-
it’s not that bad is it
untold urchin
@thorny beacon speak
spiral ridge
It was trying to find something else for flutter lmfao
untold urchin
He thought iron bundle or urshi
chrome knot
what
untold urchin
Nova is here so I no longer need hands
also i cant even IV check Marco's IH lol
it has speed EVs but idk if its IV is 0
rustic mountain
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2340002279-km8ad0s24ghdsb3kcprfkytovc43bh1pw
beat who i think just got top 4 at latest vr, same name and team atleast
spiral ridge
<@482893290266427422> speak
Yo uh
So I may actually need a hands cus this one is hyper trained speed and I’m pretty sure 0 is pretty needed
spiral ridge
it has speed EVs but idk if its IV is 0
It doesn’t say no good?
untold urchin
I cant IV check it, its on my alt
rustic mountain
use sd
untold urchin
If you know what Marco's IH evs were then I can figure it out
Or I can trade it to you anyways and you check
chrome knot
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2340002279-km8ad0s24ghdsb3kcp...
rip swm
rustic mountain
as long as it doesnt have random evs there u should b good
chrome knot
yes thats him lmao
rustic mountain
haha gotcha
spiral ridge
If you know what Marco's IH evs were then I can figure it out
Or I can trade it...
I can’t trade via home so you’d have to get in the alt anyway 😭
brazen bough
bruh i been sitting here for 30 mins tryna make eternatus work
rustic mountain
plain drum
spiral ridge
So apparently the EVs in my ogerpon I used last GC I just completely fucked up and never noticed???
How did I run this
plain drum
Hopes and dreams
spiral ridge
So apparently the EVs in my ogerpon I used last GC I just completely fucked up a...
@thorny beacon this may explain some GC bullshit I went through 😭
thorny beacon
brazen bough
hollon i found something
spiral ridge
Fixed dear god
chrome knot
How did I run this
standard pon spread
spiral ridge
I looked back
That was basically what was on the pokepaste
How do I not fucking remember this
brazen bough
anyone have a mystic water set for shifu
chrome knot
mhmm
solid frigate
So apparently the EVs in my ogerpon I used last GC I just completely fucked up a...
bulky ahh Ogerpon
spiral ridge
It explains why some shit lived
mint void
So apparently the EVs in my ogerpon I used last GC I just completely fucked up a...
Over the top tang pon
left bobcat
NEBBY GET IN THE DAMN BAG
left bobcat
What is catfish in japanese?
Lettuce ask google
mint void
@left bobcat thx do u know where the nick name changer is? Ill look it up if no
gentle cragBOT
<@990742773814657034> thx do u know where the nick name changer is? Ill look it ...
lnk1603 has given 1 Gen Rep to l_delacruz__
left bobcat
<@990742773814657034> thx do u know where the nick name changer is? Ill look it ...
What game tho
Can’t you always change the nickname of the mon if you’re the original trainer?
In sv at least
mint void
8s 8t just in the description?
bold geode
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2340002279-km8ad0s24ghdsb3kcp...
Yup that's the guy
mint void
Guys. What food could Hitmontop be?
Or Mienshao if I dont find a food for Hitmontop
Chat GPT says Gyoza or Ice Cream cone
chrome knot
hes friend
left bobcat
Everybody need you
solid frigate
i might need to reset my ladder rating cuz i got plummeted so hard
left bobcat
i might need to reset my ladder rating cuz i got plummeted so hard
DO IT
you won’t
If you do it I’ll-
Give you 50 cent
solid frigate
i'm doing it cuz its just not my standards
left bobcat
Oh
tropic robin
This isn’t relevant to this gen comp and more just daydreaming but between these speed Unova bug types: Galvantula, Scolipede, and Accelgor, which is best for comp?
On what I’ve gathered, Galvantula with Compound Eyes & Thunder go brrrrrrr
solid frigate
This isn’t relevant to this gen comp and more just daydreaming but between these...
technically none in doubles
Escavalier did won worlds tho
but thats like really fucking early
left bobcat
Bug types in itself aren’t good
lofty tartan
Yeah they're all pretty bad, honestly.
left bobcat
Volc is the exception and even then
left bobcat
i was gonna say that
Twinnnnnnnn
tropic robin
My frosmoth, Leavanny, and Volcarona 🥹 (fav bugs)
left bobcat
Frosmoth the ultimate special def tank
tropic robin
Ice Scales go brrrrrrrr
left bobcat
Quiver dance with the ice scales ability
Unfortunately 1 flamethrower probably does it
Sheeeeeit maybe 1 ember can kill it 💀
solid frigate
252 SpA Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Overheat vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Ice Scales Frosmoth: 236-278 (133.3 - 157%) -- guaranteed OHKO
0- SpA Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Overheat vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Ice Scales Frosmoth: 174-206 (98.3 - 116.3%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO
lofty tartan
Volcarona is probably the one one that might be able to do something in VGC, but Leavanny and Frosmoth are pretty unlikely. Frosmoth showed up in some earlier regulations in a very niche way and is definitely not splashable.
Leavanny is just meh
left bobcat
Volcarona is probably the one one that might be able to do something in VGC, but...
Well frosmoth did show up a little in reg h
lofty tartan
Yeah, previous regulations.
left bobcat
Just a little however
solid frigate
but like thats when Power Level kinda just toned back
left bobcat
And by little I mean like very very very little
lofty tartan
Literally said that above lol
solid frigate
Volcarona literally does stuff even in double res format
left bobcat
Yeah rage powder, fiery dance, struggle bug, quiver dance set up
lofty tartan
There's other ways to run that. Volcarona has a pretty good move pool.
It's not just that set that shows up. There are WoW sets, TW sets, Heat Wave/Flamethrower over Fiery Dance, etc.
solid frigate
even stuff like Whirlwind to stop set ups
lofty tartan
Whirlwind is extremely rare, still.
mint void
Its a cool insect
left bobcat
OVERALL
lofty tartan
Using Whirlwind on like a Nasty Plot Shadow Rider only for it to miss is pretty rough. Very niche; very rare.
left bobcat
yeah aside from Volc and the beast bugs bug types really aren’t just- good
rustic mountain
11-0 on one of my alts so far 
dense latch
huge
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
chrome knot
join csr pagos..
foggy lodge
Groudon Lunala,,,
foggy lodge
Any regional stream for this weekend?
chrome knot
u also never sent that paste <:Budgetkekhands:815438617630867477>
sry ive been
not feeling the best
rustic mountain
oh sorry to hear that its all good i was mostly kidding
rustic mountain
13-0 now
dense latch
haha its ok, im csr/zama pilled rn
10 days in i still dont have lines into it 😭 i haven’t had much time to play like at all
rustic mountain
format hasnt even started yet i think ur good
foggy lodge
Kyurem White looks actually kinda cool for this format
dense latch
it might be better for me to really join in when the meta begins to develop a bit more
rustic mountain
prolly wont see any real shifts till the end of this month
mint void
Kyurem White looks actually kinda cool for this format
What's the plan
rustic mountain
i played it b4 it was pretty mid
foggy lodge
But it's super usable imo it was even used in previous formats like sw/sh gs cup
rustic mountain
vs it
foggy lodge
Only problem is not having the reliable spread stab move
Because blizzard requires snow and A9 is mid
rustic mountain
even then blizzard spam is kinda just ok
foggy lodge
Unless you have something with Tornadus I think