interesting team
#competitive_discussion
thorny beacon
Why temper flare though?
Because of choice band, there wasn’t a need to Tera my Koraidon all the time to get big fire damage. So having temper flare allows me to get kos on mons that flame charge couldn’t if I wasn’t terastallised.
Clicking flare blitz for weaker Mon ohkos isn’t ideal with that big recoil damage hence the 2nd fire move option.
Also there’s that uncommon but cool scenario of getting faked out on my turn I haven’t got a move off get so I have the option of a 150 bp temper flare 
vocal plume
I guess it's time to run all of my teams now
thorny beacon
Also I didn’t see myself needing Koraidon to be as fast as possible so yeah, just consistent damage
craggy dagger
i gotta go build my team 
thorny beacon
But Koraidon is still the mon that is getting Tera’d the most often for defence so flame charge would be quite nice and would get the kos that temper flare does with that bonus of speed up 
Still got a couple of days so yeah, more practice 
vocal plume
i gotta go build my team <:MumeiCaffeine:1080564179976605708>
I've got 8
brazen bough
Who is the best zacian partner rn
bold geode
Who is the best zacian partner rn
Kyogre
spiral ridge
i gotta go build my team <:MumeiCaffeine:1080564179976605708>
I feel you
solid frigate
same
charred saddle
I feel you
smelly
spiral ridge
:(
charred saddle
carted once because u smell
spiral ridge
That would be you
Man genuinely if it’s claw collision wasn’t so jank feeling I’d prob get hit like half as much 😭
vocal plume
How I love spore
bold geode
I’ve watched you I know that’s your consistency <:GardeSip:696144436920582154>
Ugh I gotta deal with this fuck today
spiral ridge
I said like 5 things you bitch
spiral ridge
Bro my fucking Starbucks barista hit me with the "Nuh Uh" today
Good
I hope they threw your drink at you
vocal plume
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regibo3-2338378316
I am not confident with any of the teams I've used so far geez.
brazen bough
I am not confident with any of the teams I've used so far geez.
Team building will start to come natural to you
Give it time
vocal plume
Team building will start to come natural to you
The last two I've built seem the most interesting to me
bold geode
I hope they threw your drink at you
Nah but I told them to spit in your drink
vocal plume
Bruh so much luck man
vocal plume
Bruh so much luck man
I'm just not cut out for pokemon 😭
bold geode
Bruh so much luck man
Shit happens
vocal plume
Shit happens
Doesn't help that I'm trying to test out teams and EVERYONE is using Trick Room teams
spiral ridge
Nah but I told them to spit in your drink
I don’t get Starbucks daily
vocal plume
I'm tired as well, just gonna stop for today and continue tomorrow
bold geode
I don’t get Starbucks daily
Me neither LMAO
The Starbucks is for my mom, I fucking hate Starbucks
spiral ridge
The Starbucks is for my mom, I fucking hate Starbucks
Awe okay I hope they didn’t throw your drink then
I hope they threw the machine :)
bold geode
I hope they threw the machine :)
Autocorrect got me
I didn't tell em to spit, I told them to shit in your drink
spiral ridge
Autocorrect got me
I didn't tell em to spit, I told them to shit in your drink
I’d say they mixed up our drinks but I wouldn’t want your mom to deal with more of your shit
bold geode
I’d say they mixed up our drinks but I wouldn’t want your mom to deal with more ...
Nah they got yours right my friend
spiral ridge
@charred saddle you around 
brisk void
: 92 HP / 4 Atk / 236 Def / 100 SpD / 76 Spe
can anyone tell me how many vitamins i need for each stat?
chrome knot
9 HP Ups, 2 HP Feathers
4 Atk Feathers
23 +Def Vitamins, 6 +Def Feathers
10 +SpDef Vitamins
7 +Spe Vitamins, 6 +Spe Feathers
nice zamazenta lmao
knotty geyser
Any singles players here?
bold geode
nice zamazenta lmao
LMAO I WAS FINNA SAY
I was staring at that shit like "hmmm this looks suspicious"
strange fjord
: 92 HP / 4 Atk / 236 Def / 100 SpD / 76 Spe
can anyone tell me how many vit...
https://mikewvgc.github.io/ev-adjustment-calc/
This website helps with that in da future
knotty geyser
No one thats active
Ik singles is basicly non existence but that's pokemon fualt really
mint void
Well...
knotty geyser
6v6 is better then 3v3 and I stand by that
mint void
No thats not really true. Singles in smogon formats is pretty popular
knotty geyser
O really?
mint void
BSS is just a little less populated but this has been populated by VGC people which we keep telling people which deters s8ngles players so its gonna be rough to find any here
knotty geyser
Ahh ok what's bss
knotty geyser
Ahhhh
mint void
DNed u an 8nvite to a smogon server where they discuss singles formats. Most if these people play on Showdown though
It has more flexibility in singles formats
DJT my goat
solid frigate
Any singles players here?
@summer shore
craggy dagger
brisk void
nice zamazenta lmao
yep lol, ty
gentle cragBOT
yep lol, ty
You gave Gen Rep too recently. You can give Gen Rep again <t:1744154732:R>.
next stump
yeah singles is super unpopular in this chat
brisk void
does anyone have a sludge bomb tm i can trade for
charred saddle
<@1060975738678947880> you around <:poliwhirlkek:932149535311015988>
why
left bobcat
You can trade tms?
shadow wind
I don’t think you can “give” them to a Pokémon to hold
left bobcat
Ig if mon uses the tm then ig that’s the same thing
chrome knot
you can make it hold the tm lmao
brisk void
so can anyone trade me a sludge bomb tm
solid frigate
i cant find crogunks
mostly in Northern Area near the lake
i know cuz i got stuck in there in first playthrough
brisk void
imma try again
solid frigate
its not a version exclusive
brisk void
omg i finally found one yippe
charred saddle
To trade but then I fell asleep. 😭
I still can tho
spiral ridge
Lemme get up then
spiral ridge
<:SataniaThumbsUp:702752168255422465>
Gimme a code when you’re ready
chrome knot
001213
chrome knot
thats the code i use :D
spiral ridge
I’ll trade you a lechonk
charred saddle
pottyboy gave me a lechonk for my koraidon that can do Electro drift
spiral ridge
I did :)
cobalt condor
https://youtube.com/shorts/7-VgbjpbLcY?si=DHMFvMce1y_7Tk6w
Teach me how to do dis
dense latch
https://youtube.com/shorts/7-VgbjpbLcY?si=DHMFvMce1y_7Tk6w
Teach me how to do di...
play against yourself in two different accounts then make it look like you're playing someone random like these people do
cobalt condor
play against yourself in two different accounts then make it look like you're pl...
Ok
I am my own worst enemy
astral kelp
https://pokepast.es/dc08a97d69acec49
gaming time (office work)
shadow wind
I think I need to stop grinding ladder and actually enter limitless tours
cyan smelt
I just had a thought, maybe my team would go better with male Indeedee and abandon tr on lunala, only disadvantage I see is I lose follow me
astral kelp
huh indeedee-f isnt even that much tankier wtf
also inner focus when it has psychic surge 
astral kelp
e-force isnt uncommon ig
i think this is pretty much the most common set but they dont usually go tera normal
cyan smelt
Yeah they're usually tera normal for the mirror
astral kelp
i love tera normal
cyan smelt
And for lunalas ig
astral kelp
and fluttermane
what are the ghost types in the format?
csr lunala flutter and thats like it right
cyan smelt
Yep and I think Zama is tera ghost for the mirror
astral kelp
btw kalo could you help me think of a fast restricted that isnt relient on their ability to replace zacian?
zacian actually feels so ass
astral kelp
god ability shield tho haha
cyan smelt
Enables moon and ogerpon
astral kelp
doesnt sound too bad hm
does ability shield do anything else other than ignore weezxing
cyan smelt
Keep in mind protosynthesis never activates with weezing on the field
astral kelp
yeah but it doesnt deactivate when it switches in
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
cyan smelt
Ho oh is pretty average without sun
astral kelp
oh true
craggy dagger
@thorny beacon
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2338742525
See see
we stay winning.
just trust the process
astral kelp
maybe specs eternatus?
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
astral kelp
in this format thats pretty bad lmao
ground and psychic is pretty prevalent
my ground weakness tho lmao
i think 3 of my mons are weak to it
who tf is using cloak on csr
cyan smelt
People who want to avoid snarl sp attack drop
cyan smelt
Idk about two dragon types and two poison types
Eternatus kinda likes having its ability too
astral kelp
yeah super weak to ground
cyan smelt
Your team is lando food
astral kelp
ive literally never had pressure do anything
cyan smelt
You're supposed to set up with cosmic power leftovers and recover
cyan smelt
Pressure is for the stall set ig
astral kelp
dude csr is so fucking brokenj
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2338749418-gg8pfmki345eaj2wj7s6rkfy7w6tkl5pw
i had wrong evs on moon because this is an old version and i missplayed so hard and i still won lmfao
i meant to protect eternatus again but i wanted to see what happens if they sucker punch a meteor beam charge
fellow weezer
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
astral kelp
oh man i really need a fake out user
yknow the more i play this team the more i feel like this would be much better in reg g
fierce topaz
Can anyone enlighten on how endure works?
Is that the right channel for that type of question?
fierce topaz
I mean in a double battle
I went against 2 pokemon and mine did endure
The pokemon hit my pokemon and I fainted
fierce topaz
I might be wrong but I have already went against people that did the same and their pokemon did not faint
No
But it happened twice
My pokemon used endure and indeedee used dazzling gleam and incineorar knock off and my pokemon fainted
That's what happened
Right after I used endure
And I lost because of it
astral kelp
its not supposed to lol were you burnt or something
fierce topaz
My pokemon is harvest exeggutor with petaya berry
fierce topaz
there mustve been other shit happening
Maybe who knows
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
fierce topaz
I am going to retry once more
astral kelp
is this on switch?
fierce topaz
No on showdown
fierce topaz
What is this?
astral kelp
the /dt command
fierce topaz
Why is it showing? I know what petaya berry does.
And it has nothing to do with my initial question
astral kelp
Why is it showing? I know what petaya berry does.
i didnt so i searched it lol
astral kelp
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2338758065
weezing the GOAT
fierce topaz
I am going to try other fights and you tell me if you see what could have gone wrong
Let me finish your replay first
astral kelp
i wouldve just lost if he just insta trick roomed lmao
cyan smelt
The only thing I can think of is you tried to use endure twice in a row but that doesn't sound like what you're describing
fierce topaz
The only thing I can think of is you tried to use endure twice in a row but that...
Well even if I did twice. It doesn't explain the fainting
cyan smelt
Yeah it's strange, if you could share a replay next time it happens that would help
fierce topaz
Yeah it's strange, if you could share a replay next time it happens that would h...
On it
astral kelp
youre just better
cyan smelt
You should run expanding force on eggy instead of extrasensory and get rid of shell smash on torkoal
cyan smelt
Shell smash without white herb is just bad
astral kelp
oh i meant white herb yeah
fierce topaz
I am scared of zamazenta that's why I rock extrasensory and sludge bomb is to check incineroar
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
astral kelp
how does this do any better than expanding force
cyan smelt
But usually in tr you want to make the most of your turns so you don't want to waste time setting up
astral kelp
aginst the zenta
fierce topaz
Because of wide guard
astral kelp
But usually in tr you want to make the most of your turns so you don't want to w...
yeah torkoal doesnt need setup lol
astral kelp
Because of wide guard
just dont bring egg into zama at that point tbh
fierce topaz
Well after a shell smash everything faints. So imm'a keep it until.I feel the need to change. Ty
cyan smelt
Make ursaluna tera normal instead so you don't die to rilla and urshifu
fierce topaz
Make ursaluna tera normal instead so you don't die to rilla and urshifu
Oh thanks that's a mistake
gentle cragBOT
Oh thanks that's a mistake
dexter191_ has given 1 Gen Rep to kal0sunleashed
astral kelp
dude eternatus is feeling so much better than zacian
i feel like it shouldnt but it is
fierce topaz
youre just better
It's so disappointing though
cyan smelt
Wouldn't psychic be better to run on eggy than extrasensory
fierce topaz
And white herb torkoal sounds great
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
astral kelp
lol x2 speed
fierce topaz
Wouldn't psychic be better to run on eggy than extrasensory
That 10% flinching chance has saved me more times that I can think of
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
fierce topaz
lol x2 speed <:KEKW:800390723262349352>
It's still very slow under trick room lol
astral kelp
It's still very slow under trick room lol
yea ik its just funny
man torkoal learns so much random shit
fierce topaz
But the minus defenses is no good
astral kelp
why does the fire turtle learn toxic and swagger 💀
you should know that charcoal eruption at max hp just kills everything anyways btw
unless its resisted ig
cyan smelt
Your team needs to watch out for kyogre
fierce topaz
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2338766157
Maybe there's something I am missing
fierce topaz
Your team needs to watch out for kyogre
Not with sunny day whimsicott. Kyogre is what is the easiest to me to beat
And you were right on the switch I do have expanding force in place of leaf storm. So my bad
cyan smelt
You weren't hit by an attack that time so that's why it didn't activate
fierce topaz
How did it faint to you?
cyan smelt
It fainted the turn after Indeedee used follow me
Endure only lasts the turn it was used
cyan smelt
If you're expecting to be hit by an attack use endure if not make the most of psychic terrain and just attack
Oh and btw you don't need to worry about fake out in psychic terrain
fierce topaz
Well the video I showed was to showcase what I was talking about
And the 2 other times I fainted it was because incineroar was on the terrain and we know that psychic attacks don't work on dark types
fierce topaz
Oh and btw you don't need to worry about fake out in psychic terrain
Ty I know that
gentle cragBOT
Ty I know that
dexter191_ has given 1 Gen Rep to kal0sunleashed
cyan smelt
Sorry just seeing stuff from the replay
fierce topaz
That's why I don't have fake out pressure on the team
The video like I said was to showcase what I initially was talking about
But thanks for the advice I am not perfect by any means
cyan smelt
You should run encore on whims as an anti fake out measure in case rilla or miraidon overwrites terrain
fierce topaz
And replace moonblast?
cyan smelt
Trick room is basically useless on whims as it's -6 priority instead of -7 and no you want one attacking move in case you get taunted
fierce topaz
I run to too much kyogre to get rid of sunny day
cyan smelt
Keep sunny day as anti kyogre
fierce topaz
Trick room is basically useless on whims as it's -6 priority instead of -7 and n...
Trick room on whims is the only way I can be sure to have it
cyan smelt
Don't worry about encore then
fierce topaz
Indeedee alone does not really help with putting up trick room unfortunately and that's half of the time
Or more
cyan smelt
Also I don't think eggy outspeeds flutter or csr
fierce topaz
Don't worry about encore then
I will keep that idea on my mind in case the metagame changes or I change the team
cyan smelt
And flutter has protosynthesis and speed boost usually
And csr is usually timid max speed
Oh harvest nvm
fierce topaz
But I do have a chlorophyll eggy and it outspeed if I also have tailwind under sun and it works perfectly when set
Cool thank you
cyan smelt
You gotta watch out for spread moves with eggy
cyan smelt
Yw
astral kelp
btw when youre switching pokemon around what order does it happen
i feel like i need to know that better with weezing lmao
is it like speed related??
cyan smelt
What do you mean exactly
astral kelp
like for example
i switch in weezing they switch in incin
what procks first
because youd think it would be weezing since thats how it usually works but last game incin proked first
cyan smelt
I think intimidate would proc first if weezing's ability wasn't on the field, it goes in tr order
astral kelp
wtf so abilities prock in reverse speed order thats so wack
so if i switch zacian and weezing at the same time weezing would prock gas before zacian procked sword
cyan smelt
Yep
cyan smelt
Yep so if you set up tr and send out a kyogre and koraidon then sunny day would activate last
astral kelp
icic that makes sense
but neutralizing like always procks first for some reason but only in the first turn out or something
so wack
or all the incins ive been facing are fast incins
cyan smelt
Weezing is usually slowest
astral kelp
mines 93 speed
oh wait maybe its because of tailwind
riiight okay that would make sense
concinkidinkily happened to have tailwind up every time this interaction happens lmao
cyan smelt
I'll have to test out male Indeedee at some point
brisk void
does anyone have a good bulky ev spread for lando t lifeorb?
mighty stump
btw when youre switching pokemon around what order does it happen
its speed related.
The first Pokemon to leave is the fastest one
or whoever is the turn order going in with
sharp cobalt
concinkidinkily happened to have tailwind up every time this interaction happens...
Coinkidinky
left bobcat
Wha di faack
mint void
dude eternatus is feeling so much better than zacian
Weird take
mint void
does anyone have a good bulky ev spread for lando t lifeorb?
You can look into the tang spread for Lando I
Lando T has little usage but at least similar stats
astral kelp
Weird take
it just is man idk why
btw
is there a pokemon database
that shows all the mons and types and moves
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
astral kelp
wait nvm only 2 ground weaks
real prairie
Palkia + Kyogre, what are we thinking?
astral kelp
palkias best water move is like surf isnt it?
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
real prairie
could combo well well with Kyogres water spout
130 base + Lustrious orb + Rain + Stab
nevermind, not usable anymore
astral kelp
aw rip
astral kelp
@real prairie would you use something like this
thing is im too lazy to look individually at the weaknesses of my pokemon
mint void
that shows all the mons and types and moves
There is a website that shows you your defensive and offensive relationships: Marriland is the pages name
astral kelp
There is a website that shows you your defensive and offensive relationships: Ma...
oh well its almost done anyways lmao
cyan smelt
Gravity Palkia lol
mint void
Fair
Palkia sup shenanigans next to ogre
Gives you Tailroom too poss
Doesnt sound horrible. Also not good cause Palkia is a bit underwhelming regarding its offensive movepool
TR, Gravit, Hydro, Spacial Rend
cyan smelt
Need single target moves to get around wide guard
astral kelp
💀
cyan smelt
Lando and caly I food
astral kelp
pretty much yeah
astral kelp
chien pao would be good here ig
astral kelp
problem with chien pao is that he doesnt actually fit in this team at all lol
this stuff is actually so cool
any thoughts for this team? ive gotten to the point where i cant think fo a better way to do anything, zacian and eternatus are kinda interchangable rn and im considering taunt on moon
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
mint void
any thoughts for this team? ive gotten to the point where i cant think fo a bett...
drop moon imo
astral kelp
drop moon imo
Really? What instead?
I tried talonflame and kilowatrel
And I've tried sash whimsy
astral kelp
Nah definitevly not torn
Because I want to outspeeds whimsy in neutra gás
The amount of times I tailwind taunt whimsy it feels so sweet
Tho it's rough when it's fucking
Whimsy kyogre start and I either do the funny tailwind taunt and get chunked or I figure something else out
mint void
Well u can just TW and then Knock of with Moon. If u run the offensive set it does like 60/70%
astral kelp
Well u can just TW and then Knock of with Moon. If u run the offensive set it do...
Wdym? Tailwind turn 1 knock off turn 2?
mint void
yes
astral kelp
It's really a gamble man
If I can get tailwind up and stop theirs csr can just sweep
Wheezing moon let's me do that pretty consistently against pretty much everything which is nice
mint void
well yes if u bring wheezing out sure
cyan smelt
Two support mons on the field is bad
astral kelp
Two support mons on the field is bad
Yeah that's kind of a problem
I've been considering shifting to a lorb wheezing set
mint void
but against spout ogre Knocking it off is insanely good. It cuts a lot of its dmg and if its scarfed also speed
astral kelp
Would it be worth just knock off turn 1?
mint void
just Mirror the TW turn 1 and turn of Ogre Turn 2
mint void
Would it be worth just knock off turn 1?
no
if they hit origin puls turn 2 you lose moon without Tailwind
astral kelp
But if I just tw turn one don't I tank a full 150 spout tho?
At least it's no rain spout ig
mint void
Mine line into ogre was always just TW into knock off and usually have urshi there and Tera Water SS(against TornOgre leads)
mint void
But if I just tw turn one don't I tank a full 150 spout tho?
yes but Moon lives that
astral kelp
Yea that's true.
astral kelp
I think I've had that exact scenario before where I taunted the whimsy and I won with tailwind advantage pretty easy after moon died to turn 2 origin pulse and he was forced to switch whimsy
astral kelp
TW+Protect
Right Ic
mint void
you just need a line in case they KO moon with a double up Turn 1
timber falcon
anyone know how to ev a calm mind terapagos?
astral kelp
9h yeah whimsy one shots moon
astral kelp
anyone know how to ev a calm mind terapagos?
Just go on munch stats and find a tánky ev tbh
astral kelp
Helping hand astral?
timber falcon
Just go on munch stats and find a tánky ev tbh
ty i forgot about this
gentle cragBOT
ty i forgot about this
otot8953 has given 1 Gen Rep to k4x1
astral kelp
And since moon outspeeds whimsy if they do that I will always have tailwind up so they will be kinda fucked
But if I start csr moon and they start ogre whimsy I tank a free spout and they get trick room up anyways
I mean tailwind woops
mint void
You most likely only get 2 turns of moon alive and Encore whims is scary but its mostly Torn on Ogre teams anyway
astral kelp
So the idea behind wheezing is that I can 100% guarantee stop them from tailwinding
astral kelp
You most likely only get 2 turns of moon alive and Encore whims is scary but its...
Oh true
Same line with torn tbh tho
mint void
So the idea behind wheezing is that I can 100% guarantee stop them from tailwind...
only covert whims. Not torn I think
astral kelp
Encore is just better
astral kelp
only covert whims. Not torn I think
Nah because I ev my wheezing to outspeed max speed torn and whimsy in tailwind
mint void
Torn is objectively better on rain. Bleakwind is so good.
astral kelp
And I evd moon to outspeed both under gas
astral kelp
Torn is objectively better on rain. Bleakwind is so good.
Yeah true I haven't really tried him in rain teams
mint void
Nah because I ev my wheezing to outspeed max speed torn and whimsy in tailwind
to stop TW you need to KO them Turn 1 before they move. Which you cant
astral kelp
Mostly because I haven't done many rain teams lol
astral kelp
to stop TW you need to KO them Turn 1 before they move. Which you cant
Wheezing taunts
mint void
ok yeah that works
astral kelp
Or sludge bomb one shots if they don't terá and aren't sash
mint void
just means 2 mons are tanking a spout
astral kelp
just means 2 mons are tanking a spout
Yup that's the problem with that line
The both should live it tho pretty easily from experience
But it still chunks
And I get tailwind advantage
Then I can knock off turn 2
mint void
252 SpA Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Weezing in Rain: 157-186 (91.2 - 108.1%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
astral kelp
It's not in rain
astral kelp
Pfff yeah I guess
I need to start playing ots
I feel like specs ogre is unbelievably shit
mint void
whats ur EVs?
astral kelp
any thoughts for this team? ive gotten to the point where i cant think fo a bett...
Here
mint void
tbf specs ogre tend to drop Spout sometimes
astral kelp
I'm still experimenting with eternatus
Mainly cuz I have a shiny one in violet
I stole those tánky hearthflame evs you love so much haha
Such a disgusting mon it's crazy how it can get away with like 12 atk evs
mint void
252+ SpA Tera-Water Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 196 SpD Weezing: 164-194 (95.3 - 112.7%) -- 75% chance to OHKO
astral kelp
Sheesh
mint void
scarf is really beatable
I calced with Modest
They are all Timid
Idea for a 6th?
Ursh seems obvious but also boring
astral kelp
Does Tera oger wood hammer one shot ogre?
mint void
yes
astral kelp
Fuck it comfey
mint void
12+ Atk Mold Breaker Ogerpon-Hearthflame Wood Hammer (1.2x Mask Boost) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Tera-Water Kyogre: 230-272 (131.4 - 155.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
mint void
Yeah he kills wheezing I just switch to over
if they kill weezing u dont taunt the TW Mon
astral kelp
if they kill weezing u dont taunt the TW Mon
Are they faster than 185 speed?
mint void
Which isnt an auto lose cause Knockoff Moon gets rid of scarf but still
mint void
Are they faster than 185 speed?
scarf yes
astral kelp
Oh shit
mint void
234
astral kelp
That's so fast jesus I didn't think jt was that high
astral kelp
Right
mint void
252 SpA Tera-Water Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 196 SpD Weezing: 148-176 (86 - 102.3%) -- 18.75% chance to OHKO
astral kelp
Still scary lol
mint void
I guess its a low roll with tera
astral kelp
I guess against scarf I won't lead wheezing
Oh man scarf ogre is so scary
Wait last time I played this match up I terad wheezing I just remembers d
Is that a good play?
I did win but it didn't feel right using terá there
timber falcon
do they all have moves yet? Or is the team just on paper
timber falcon
theres not really much resistance to flying type chip
not sure if bleakwind is still prominent in this meta though
astral kelp
I think it's hilarious how incin rilla urshifu fits into like at least 80% of teams
timber falcon
free FWG that all can perform amazing roles after all
mint void
does it matter on which side you feint to break wide guard?
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
astral kelp
free FWG that all can perform amazing roles after all
Yeah it's crazy
Honestly I want to go back to flare blitz incin
real prairie
does it matter on which side you feint to break wide guard?
think it only breaks the side you hit
astral kelp
It feels. Kinda ass having no damage lmao
real prairie
sure
timber falcon
working with a rather defensive team core here, any ideas for last 2 mons? Im thinking i might delve into some trick room shenanigans
mint void
mint void
fixed it
mint void
tinka also gives me a flying resist tho+helps vs Fari TR teams
tbf I dont know if farig will se a lot of usage in Reg I
real prairie
even if it does, the odds of wide guard + Farig are slim
mint void
I just mean I can use it vs Wide guard and farig.
To deny TR if they bring in farig with a setter or use farig as the setter
real prairie
think without rilla you have an issue with CIR + Indeedee unless im missing something
Ive just gone imprison w/ TR, i cba to be dancing around stopping it
mint void
I feel just leading Pon Tutel gives me a double knock out no?
Spikey+StarStorm into StarStorm Cudgel
idk
mint void
I just picked it for Motor Drive
real prairie
real prairie
I just picked it for Motor Drive
interesting
mint void
I dont see a consistent line into Mirai ngl
imma stop for now tho cause I dont wanna EV rn
imma test what I have later
mint void
i think double FO though
What?
Both have at least double FO
Idk anything havent played yet with any version
jovial storm
Okay, so I know he ain’t top tier, but I want to know who the best partners are for Koraidon. Am thinking of going back into online competitive before the competition dies forever (in SV).
Wanted opinions of actual players as opposed to what I find on the internet…which is weird but I value your guy’s opinions more than some rando on the net.
mint void
Okay, so I know he ain’t top tier, but I want to know who the best partners are ...
Koraidon is good rn
Flutter and Chi Yu go good with it offensively
We are changing format in 2/3 weeks so idk which one u arr trynna build for
1 restricted or 2?
jovial storm
Didn’t say he wasn’t. But I’m under the impression that there are better options. However my goal is to make Koraidon work whether he is the focus or a support type of Mon. Wanted to get thoughts and such.
Hmmm. I’d probably be better off with two restricted if the format is changing really soon.
I could probably throw something together next week and try to tackle the current format that weekend, but I am not sure how well that would work out.
lost sun
who made SD damage calcs
my max atk glacial lance is not going to do only 38% to a csr
even if it has max bulk
mint void
I could probably throw something together next week and try to tackle the curren...
Go for it csr korai waa good at the start
I dont like korai tho so cant help much
next stump
my max atk glacial lance is not going to do only 38% to a csr
clefairy?
lost sun
clefairy?
252+ Atk Calyrex-Ice Glacial Lance vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Calyrex-Shadow with an ally's Friend Guard: 92-109 (44.4 - 52.6%) -- 23% chance to 2HKO
no reflect up either
lost sun
Screen or didnt happen
not the first time it's done smth like this to me
next stump
super weird, we wouldn’t know unless we saw the game
i promise you the game is coded correctly though
it is always just something that goes unnoticed
lost sun
smths wrong with it cus I've had obviously wrong calcs twice
first time was a rayquaza espeed 1 shotting miraidon no crit
even if it had a band and terra it would only do 65-76
next stump
you need to save those replays
i have played probably 10,000 games and never seen an error
chrome knot
^^^
lost sun
you need to save those replays
will do next time it happens
imprison bugs out aswell cus if I use a move that's prisoned it makes me rechoose my move and does whatever I picked first anyway
craggy dagger
^^^
emma
i forgot to adjust my tera’s for my GC team and i already registered
save meee
spiral ridge
We’re all cooked
mint void
anyone wanna let me hop on a team for GC?
craggy dagger
uhhh ohh boy,,,,
charred saddle
<:kannagun:1155017485783928842>
bold geode
i forgot to adjust my tera’s for my GC team and i already registered
Aw fuck I haven't built shit yet
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
How many of y'all are actually running GC?
bold geode
anyone wanna let me hop on a team for GC?
Do you wanna win or do you wanna piss off people?
mighty stump
i have played probably 10,000 games and never seen an error
should have played 10,001
craggy dagger
Aw fuck I haven't built shit yet
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
How many of y'al...
scotty minh leo kris n me 
chrome knot
Aw fuck I haven't built shit yet
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
How many of y'al...
not me i WILLLL be sleepingg
no reason to play reg g unless im travelling to toronto locals
@next stump btw when Kat moves back to Chicago ill be one of your locals
timber falcon
Is there a place to gather info in reg I yet?
Or is it just showdown spamming to grasp what’s happening
mint void
Do you wanna win or do you wanna piss off people?
both is cool
left bobcat
It’s not enough
bold geode
both is cool
https://pokepast.es/cfc1098b24aa20e4
Here
Idk if you'll do the first part a lot but the second? Absolutely LMAO
bold geode
no reason to play reg g unless im travelling to toronto locals
I'm like heavily debating myself
bold geode
scotty minh leo kris n me <a:aMumeiNodFast:880483492125872250>
Damn what's the team
timber falcon
https://pokepast.es/bf48a451e6843ce7 any reccomendations?
mint void
https://pokepast.es/cfc1098b24aa20e4
Here
Idk if you'll do the first part a lot ...
interesting
timber falcon
https://pokepast.es/bf48a451e6843ce7 any reccomendations?
for doubles restricted, it would be beneficial to be anble to bring both restricteds into the game right? Or, is it better to effectively create 2 different teams per situation
next stump
<@197813560997314562> btw when Kat moves back to Chicago ill be one of your loca...
yooo are you moving too?
chrome knot
nah ill just be visiting a lot bc its only 4hrs out
bold geode
for doubles restricted, it would be beneficial to be anble to bring both restric...
The first one, though there will be some situations where you only bring one
timber falcon
Aight got it
next stump
will they live like downtown?
solid frigate
The online ranked battles suck rn
because new regulation in a month+Reg G kinda sucks now
eager epoch
because new regulation in a month+Reg G kinda sucks now
i either find nobody or a legendary spammer
chrome knot
what
chrome knot
what are you playing 😭
super monkey ball
craggy dagger
super monkey ball
eager epoch
what are you playing 😭
ranked battles...?
craggy dagger
super monkey ball
oldass ooo sounds fun
chrome knot
~~oldass~~ ooo sounds fun
wtf :c
craggy dagger
so what is a “legendary spammer”
could be sub-legends like tornadus and urshifu
chrome knot
is what im assuming
eager epoch
are you up against a bunch of sub-legendaries?
they use either calyrex shadow or zacian, and a few sub legendaries
chrome knot
that’s literally the format
solid frigate
thats like-
A well constructed team-
chrome knot
me when the opponent is using a normal team
craggy dagger
thats
a proper team...?
eager epoch
thats like-
A well constructed team-
a lot of them have them on the same team
chrome knot
solid frigate
a lot of them have them on the same team
yeah cuz they are good?
eager epoch
yeah cuz they are good?
it is unfair tho
chrome knot
a lot of them have them on the same team
so what does your team look like, just wondering
eager epoch
so what does your team look like, just wondering
mono dragon...?
chrome knot
…
eager epoch
bro you can use them as well
but then i cant have an only shiny team
solid frigate
bru-
mint void
but then i cant have an only shiny team
Do what u want but dont complain if u get rocked
chrome knot
im sorry but for vgc the worry isnt having a full team of shiny pokemon
solid frigate
chrome knot
https://tenor.com/view/castorice-hsr-castorice-hsr-honkai-star-rail-dragon-gif-1...
me puking
chrome knot
idk
eager epoch
im sorry but for vgc the worry isnt having a full team of shiny pokemon
its fun tho
tranquil kraken
i use recycle when puking
mint void
but then i cant have an only shiny team
If you jave more fun playing with shinies than winning consistently go for it. But please dont come back here complaining that people spam legends in a competitive format
chrome knot
but you don’t really have room to complain abt standard teams i fear
when you are actively the outlier
eager epoch
yeah cuz they are good?
when did pokemon become pay to win
chrome knot
what..
eager epoch
you cant get calyrex shadow without paying for the dlc on top of buying sword/shield
chrome knot
k technically without swsh u cant use csr/cir
formats frontrunners still include terapagos, miraidon, zamazenta, lunala, kyogre
all found within sv & Go
eager epoch
k technically without swsh u cant use csr/cir
and you cant get the others like urshifu and such without having the DLC of either s/v or swsh
solid frigate
Terapagos and Miraidon are not in go but like Miraidon is in Base game
eager epoch
you pay the game to play comp pokemon-
yes but i meant like the legendaries/sub legendaries
solid frigate
yes but i meant like the legendaries/sub legendaries
i got my raging bolt from trade there is no excuse
spiral ridge
I meant to buy the monkey ball on switch
chrome knot
my pay2win team for toronto local on sunday🥺
foggy lodge
Cool team
solid frigate
my pay2win team for toronto local on sunday🥺
i can smell Saniro References
spiral ridge
I can see them
chrome knot
i dont see it..
spiral ridge
Because they’re words
chrome knot
i dont read it
solid frigate
i don't hear it
spiral ridge
I know you don’t read it’s okay you’re learning
mint void
you cant get calyrex shadow without paying for the dlc on top of buying sword/sh...
8 see your issue and I k8nda agree but the dlc is "only" 30 bucks so it could be worse ngl
eager epoch
8 see your issue and I k8nda agree but the dlc is "only" 30 bucks so it could be...
40
mint void
Not what I paid
chrome knot
any job havers?
solid frigate
same i paid for 30 Pounds
eager epoch
Not what I paid
gold points...?
mint void
Even with a job you might not be able to or want to spare 40
chrome knot
same i paid for 30 Pounds
30 pounds of what lool!
mint void
gold points...?
No
solid frigate
30 pounds of what lool!
British Pounds but
Y E S
solid frigate
different Location
eager epoch
ah
chrome knot
pfft
eager epoch
wait how old are you-
how does age factor into the price of a videogame DLC
something's off i believe
solid frigate
cuz usually they would not complain about the price?
like 30 GBPish is a fair price for a good DLC (Yes it is good)
eager epoch
cuz usually they would not complain about the price?
ah yes, low income humans definitely do not exist
solid frigate
Lay different
its more like i have extra money after i got my nessecities
lofty tartan
What the hell did I just walk into
chrome knot
hai mika
lofty tartan
Heeyyyy 👋
tame falcon
for the ability beast boost it will boost its most proficient stat after knocking a mon out. if proficient stat means IV how will the game decide which one to boost if there's 3 with the same amount (an example like three 31 IV stats)
lofty tartan
for the ability beast boost it will boost its most proficient stat after knockin...
It means highest stat, not counting 31 value IVs
tame falcon
so if i'm +1 in like defense it'll boost it
lofty tartan
It counts for highest stat (other than HP)
No, it doesn't take into account any previous stat changes.
So a +1 defense is meaningless when considering Beast Boost
For determining the highest stat, Beast Boost does not take into account stat stages, held items, or reductions due to status conditions; however, it does consider the effects of Power Split, Guard Split, Power Trick, Wonder Room, and Speed Swap. In the case of a tie between multiple stats, it increases one stat, prioritized in this order: Attack, Defense, Special Attack, Special Defense, and Speed.
Bulbapedia is your friend
Additionally, if the highest stat is at +6 stages, Beast Boost will not activate, even in the event of a tie
eager epoch
all found within sv & Go
Although with go you gotta either have remote raid passes or friends (unless it’s like a raid day or go fest)
lofty tartan
You can trade high value shinies for legitimate legendaries that are GO stamped, which provides a level of authenticity
GO stamps can't be faked, but they have a level limit.
chrome knot
meeeeeka
lofty tartan
I almost read that as meerkat
eager epoch
Although with go you gotta either have remote raid passes or friends (unless it’...
And the sv part is inaccessible for people who don’t have the DLC
solid frigate
t r a d e
eager epoch
Not everyone wants to trade DLC legendaries or legendaries in general
lofty tartan
Trade, yeah. Look there's a lot of solutions for the problem that you have here, and not all of them involve money.
chrome knot
I almost read that as meerkat
meeka hi scrunchie
lofty tartan
Not everyone wants to trade DLC legendaries or legendaries in general
You'd be surprised at what people trade from Go.
lofty tartan
meeka hi scrunchie
Now I'm a scrunchie?
chrome knot
yah :3
solid frigate
Mika thanks for reminding me of Go cuz my heatran is still there i think
lofty tartan
Trading shinies into Go gave me a surplus of extra legends. Like I have something around 12 legitimate Kubfus traded from Go.
I release any that are illegitimate.
chrome knot
https://tenor.com/view/question-cell-dragon-ball-dbz-gif-10445356
i just gib friends silly nicknames
lofty tartan
All good 😄
solid frigate
man i still love i got a Shiny Dialga for my Birthday
bold geode
i just gib friends silly nicknames
What bout me
solid frigate
stimky
bold geode
Nah
chrome knot
What bout me
i dunno if i ever gave u one they happen kinda randomly
bold geode
I see
lofty tartan
I just won't trade for Legendaries from other sources because you can't be too careful over the internet. And the GTS on Home is inundated with genned crap, so it's a mixed bag.
That's why you apply level filters to increase the likelihood that someone will trade you a level 20 legend which is a level limit from Go.
bold geode
I don't think so?
lofty tartan
🤷
chrome knot
i call one of the girls in #shiny_hunters spaghetti
bold geode
LMAO
solid frigate
Emma you made me Hungry god damn it
bold geode
Honestly you could probably call me any food and I'll be like yippee
"ayo bread stick what's good"
solid frigate
Honestly you could probably call me any food and I'll be like yippee
"ayo bread...
so true lol
lofty tartan
Honestly you could probably call me any food and I'll be like yippee
"ayo bread...
What's up bean sprout?
bold geode
What's up bean sprout?
Idk what's good Isopure Citrus Lemonade
lofty tartan
Idk what's good Isopure Citrus Lemonade
Ayo look, it's Mister Asparagus
Isopure Citrus Lemonade is good.
bold geode
Ayo look, it's Mister Asparagus
It's Mister protein cinnamon roll
lofty tartan
Eh. That cinnamon roll left a lot to be desired. Dry.
I had to choke that thing down with a protein shake 😐
chrome knot
cinnamoroll
lofty tartan
cinnamoroll<:blobmelt:318150867733839873>
My kid loves her
lofty tartan
we’d get along
Honestly probably. Lol. She's a total geek too xD
She's desperate to go to a Regionals
chrome knot
awwwe omg
solid frigate
It's Mister protein cinnamon roll
pfft
lofty tartan
I mean it was a pretty poor cinnamon roll but it was 20g of protein so it's whatever. Lol. Never know if you'll like something without trying it xD
bold geode
I had to choke that thing down with a protein shake 😐
LOL I feel that
lofty tartan
I did get some dill pickle meat snacks though. Meat snacks are great straight-shots of protein 😄
I shoot for like 160 - 250g a day.
chrome knot
i made a bowl of cereal
lofty tartan
Cereal rocks
chrome knot
ohmahgah mika look pms some crazy shit has gone on
lofty tartan
I fucking love corn pops.
chrome knot
i totally forgot
astral kelp
I wonder if I can make primárina sceptille swamp work
lofty tartan
In Reg I? Define "work"
rustic mountain
if ur climbing from 1000 then yea prolly
astral kelp
in reg i its kinda yikes
rustic mountain
wdym
astral kelp
being forced to run 2 funny mons to get this working that arent restricted kinda sucks
rustic mountain
i guess
astral kelp
so it would be miraidon sceptile eletric seed prolly
i could go lunala for trick room
rustic mountain
u just gta accept wen stuff like restricteds gets added a lot of other viability goes to the wayside, in this case ur talking 2 mons that werent even good w/o legends or restricteds let alone a dres format
astral kelp
yeah which is fine
i just gotta be able to make them work as pokemon by themselves
sceptile can be a good mon with dragon cheer shed tail
rustic mountain
yea gl man u got a steep mountain to climb
astral kelp
niesh support mon
rustic mountain
as some1 whose a big sceptile fan, its just not good
astral kelp
yea gl man u got a steep mountain to climb
ye cuz i made a "good" team already so now i gotta make a shit team to balance it out yk
rustic mountain
🤨
lofty tartan
if by work they mean put it on a team then sure
lofty tartan
I would've played some last weekend but I had been suffering from a migraine that stuck with me for 9 days. Today is the first day where I don't have it. 👀
So I'm looking to try out some SwordFish this weekend
rustic mountain
word
astral kelp
something like this
next stump
im super excited to try reg I
lofty tartan
If you've got any suggestions, I wouldn't mind them.
next stump
a few more days
rustic mountain
yea im not sure how swordfish winds up but it looks good on paper
lofty tartan
SAME GOES FOR YOU DILLON ❤️
rustic mountain
a few more days
u goin to the regional?
next stump
ye I am
astral kelp
omg thats so hype
rustic mountain
gl
next stump
im running MDB hard trick room
astral kelp
what are you gonna bring?
next stump
thank you 🙂
lofty tartan
Good luck at the Regional, my man
next stump
thank you 🙂
rustic mountain
If you've got any suggestions, I wouldn't mind them.
csr/zama feels very good
lofty tartan
There's so much CSR/Zama around that I don't wanna commit to that mirror 
rustic mountain
its a strong team ur not worried about it being targetted?
rustic mountain
There's so much CSR/Zama around that I don't wanna commit to that mirror <:arkek...
yea thats fair the mirror def the most annoying
solid frigate
im super excited to try reg I
somehow i seen more IDBP Zama than usual but idk
next stump
oh it def will but also i think its hard to counter team
rustic mountain
thats tru
next stump
the hardest thing is probably opposing CIR but that's not too bad
rustic mountain
u really do forsake a lot of other mus if u do
next stump
kyogre is free, CSR free, miraidon pretty easy
zama is rough
especially rain zama
that's almost an auto FF
rustic mountain
zama always annoying for cir tho, just dodge the mu 
lofty tartan
yea thats fair the mirror def the most annoying
And like I'm not likely to compete again until Gen 10 because I've been working on my ability to compete, logistically/financially, so it's more have fun and get better
I like the whale 🤷
rustic mountain
oh u mentioned suggestions was all unless i misunderstood
lofty tartan
Fun and pretty above average in Reg I, I think
rustic mountain
but yea i feel that
solid frigate
what-
lofty tartan
No, you're fine. CSR/Zama is like one I'm trying to avoid.
rustic mountain
i wanna look into csr/pagos next
lofty tartan
The mirror is just such a pain and it's a very good team so it's very popular.
chrome knot
especially rain zama
this has been like lowkey picking up im ngl
lofty tartan
CSR/Pagos sounds cool
chrome knot
i dont wanna freak u out but
lofty tartan
this has been like lowkey picking up im ngl
ShieldFish?
rustic mountain
CSR/Pagos sounds cool
its been doin well at grassroots and ladder so far
chrome knot
no..?
lofty tartan
Oh just rain with Peli?
chrome knot
zamazenta pelipper stuff
lofty tartan
Okay
chrome knot
reg g still
next stump
i hvaent seen it much but if its popular at atlanta then so be it
rustic mountain
ew reg g
lofty tartan
My b my b
next stump
it's playable with bolt a little bit
chrome knot
ewww official format….
astral kelp
lets try something like this
lofty tartan
its been doin well at grassroots and ladder so far
Yeah? Do you have like a paste or anything? If not I can always search Labmaus
I'm interested in scoping other things beyond Zac/Ogre
solid frigate
Grimmsnarl is gonna be even more annoying in double res but eh we'll see
rustic mountain
Yeah? Do you have like a paste or anything? If not I can always search Labmaus
not atm ill prolly throw one together
lofty tartan
Word
rustic mountain
Grimmsnarl is gonna be even more annoying in double res but eh we'll see
itll b solid
grimm is always annoying tho
solid frigate
itll b solid
yeah annoying but good
rustic mountain
it was good in swsh idt itll have that kinda use this format but well see
solid frigate
what the fuck
chrome knot
if the universe shifts itself ever so slightly ur team turns into cir mirai
astral kelp
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2339388003
team officially op
won 1 game in 1000
solid frigate
if the universe shifts itself ever so slightly ur team turns into cir mirai
double weather and they actually bring double weather
solid frigate
Lunala Zama would be so annoying-
astral kelp
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2339390059
whimsycott being crazy
rustic mountain
neutral im guessing?
astral kelp
call her the lacking general for a reason-
yeah istg play rough feels so shit
10% miss chane on 90 bp 💀
solid frigate
neutral im guessing?
196 Atk Zacian-Crowned Play Rough vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Miraidon: 168-198 (96 - 113.1%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO
low roll possibly
astral kelp
unboosted zac?
rustic mountain
yea im saying u werent +1
solid frigate
intimidated
rustic mountain
yea def looks like u low rolled
solid frigate
if i got high roll i can win cuz Zacian can nuke Incin
dense latch
might be a bulkier mirai i feel like most people have shifted to investing in bulk
solid frigate
might be a bulkier mirai i feel like most people have shifted to investing in bu...
eh maybe but still think its low roll cuz i even calc for bulk Mirai
dense latch
prob is anyways yeah
solid frigate
196 Atk Zacian-Crowned Play Rough vs. 100 HP / 52 Def Miraidon: 156-186 (82.9 - 98.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Highest Bulk to live a Play rough neutral
solid frigate
unless u low roll no bulk
that i cannot live with it lmao
rustic mountain
solid frigate
also Zacian Pagos feels solid with Tang Core
Just need a different TW setter
rustic mountain
y
solid frigate
Prankster TW
rustic mountain
no why is whims not working
solid frigate
And during testing i can't set up TW with Moon so i changed to Whims
solid frigate
no why is whims not working
it works i just worded badly
rustic mountain
yea cuz u showed the team w/ whims so i was confused
solid frigate
yea cuz u showed the team w/ whims so i was confused
i tried Moon before and it is inconsistent
rustic mountain
idk if its a hot take but moon feels bad for dres
solid frigate
idk if its a hot take but moon feels bad for dres
i mean it is kinda but depends on the team comp
mine does not
rustic mountain
eh idk if u can justify it as easily w/ how the format is gna be
solid frigate
eh idk if u can justify it as easily w/ how the format is gna be
i can't justify using it yeah
With so much CSR showing up
how is a Ghost Horse faster than a Electric Bike and a Sword Wolf
rustic mountain
better dark types that either offer better damage like chi yu or better support like incin
solid frigate
better dark types that either offer better damage like chi yu or better support ...
Chi yu is gonna be my bane of my existence more than Incineroar
rustic mountain
how is a Ghost Horse faster than a Electric Bike and a Sword Wolf
cuz its a ghost its not bound by physical restrictions
solid frigate
cuz i have to force Tera My Zacian unless i Lead Whims Lando or Whims Urshifu
rustic mountain
chi yu can be annoying for zama/csr
solid frigate
chi yu can be annoying for zama/csr
its also annoying for Zac but thank god i love Sacred Sword
gentle cragBOT
its also annoying for Zac but thank god i love Sacred Sword
morrispxg456 has given 1 Gen Rep to treeco.
rustic mountain
free rep 
solid frigate
lol
but yeah Sacred Sword feels good with Zacian especially against incin and Chi yu which has to Force Tera but have to deal with Behemoth Blade after tera
but rn i'll stick with the core
craggy dagger
but yeah Sacred Sword feels good with Zacian especially against incin and Chi yu...
close combat feels better
solid frigate
close combat feels better
but but-
Ignore Defense Boosts ;-;
craggy dagger
but but-
Ignore Defense Boosts ;-;
but but
wait what zacian spread are you using
cuz cc can ohko at neutral iirc?
solid frigate
on Mirai?
wait lemme see damage calcs for Against Zama
+1 196 Atk Zacian-Crowned Sacred Sword vs. 100 HP / 236+ Def Zamazenta-Crowned: 96-114 (53.3 - 63.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+1 196 Atk Zacian-Crowned Close Combat vs. +1 100 HP / 236+ Def Zamazenta-Crowned: 86-102 (47.7 - 56.6%) -- 84.4% chance to 2HKO
solid frigate
Neutral Close Combat doesn't OHKO as well
196 Atk Zacian-Crowned Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 156+ Def Incineroar: 124-148 (61.3 - 73.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
196 Atk Zacian-Crowned Sacred Sword vs. 252 HP / 156+ Def Incineroar: 94-112 (46.5 - 55.4%) -- 70.7% chance to 2HKO
+Some Incin still runs Flare Blitz
solid frigate
i have
never
seen 252 156 incin
even then
you auto lose to Zama anyway with CC Especially IDBP got more use somehow-
196 Atk Zacian-Crowned Sacred Sword vs. 252 HP / 52 Def Incineroar: 114-136 (56.4 - 67.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
196 Atk Zacian-Crowned Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 52 Def Incineroar: 152-180 (75.2 - 89.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
rustic mountain
i have
never
seen 252 156 incin
a little less in hp but thats not far off standard bulky incin 
solid frigate
whats the team?
Zac Pagos
Shifu Lando
Oger Whims
solid frigate
doesnt zama usually tera in front of zacian anyways
why would they tera to Dragon-
rustic mountain
doesnt zama usually tera in front of zacian anyways
depends
rustic mountain
why would they tera to Dragon-
not every zama is tera dragon