#competitive_discussion
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Also even if Ogerpon Teras, it does 57% at most
cant hit ALL OF THIS + ghost type
Tbh you can replace iron defense or wide guard with heavy slam
Zamazenta is so bulky, it wouldn't use it too often
man whats something thats good in tailwind and can destroy trick room
thats why im considering valient
holy shit oranguru
Not worth it
I've tried so many times in the past to make Oranguru work
It's niche at best and bad at worst
Instruct is definitely fun when it works, but the problem is that Oranguru isn't consistent
Honestly from what I can tell, replace Zacian with Zamazenta, Clefairy with Indeedee, and Ogerpon with Whimsicott or Iron Valiant
nah id replace moon for whimsy
And replace psychic on caly with expanding force
these sounbd pretty good
But yeah, make those changes and give it a shot
Trick room players hate seeing Indeedee and Whimsicott can make sure only you have Tailwind
god what a shitass set ahahah
if i see tailroom and they bring tailwind it will just do nothing
As a trick room lover, it gives me nightmares
its op into hard trick room
It will me more for redirection and HH support in tail room
Especially since it'll buff expanding force on Caly
Iron hands maybe
Fake out support, checks trick room and does absurd damage
Ground, Psychic
Dark, Ghost, Grass
Bug, Dragon, Fighting, Fire, Flying, Normal, Poison, Steel, Stellar, Water
Electric, Fairy, Ice, Rock
yeah i was heavily considering
Min speed goes before bloodmoon in trick room
if this lives lunala moonblast, miraidon dazzling gleam, miraidon volt switch its a maybe
snarl is something i kinda need
ig hands doesnt really need their ability
iron hands is really good here because i can stop psychich terrain, armor tail and inner focus
if he lives volt switch
244+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Volt Switch vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Iron Jugulis in Electric Terrain: 414-488 (244.9 - 288.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO holy shit
look at those fucking numbers
even in best scenario 244+ SpA Choice Specs Miraidon Volt Switch vs. 4 HP / 252 SpD Iron Jugulis: 186-218 (109.4 - 128.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
with weezing
jesus lord lmfao
This wasn't even spec miraidon I was calcing
who isnt running specs miraidon
Honestly fair
I was lowballing to show that it still kills
miraidon is fucking redicuolous
dude wtf is that miraidon set LOL
Hands also punishes opposing electric terrain
yeah hands seems pretty good
maybe this then
booster energy is REALLY good tho
butiron hands is kind of perfect here
i still need fire moves tbh
It really is
my ass cannot hit grass types
Electric, Grass, Ground, Water
Dark, Dragon, Fairy, Fighting, Ghost, Normal, Psychic, Rock, Steel, Stellar
Bug, Fire, Flying, Ice, Poison
Grass-types are immune to Powder-based Moves.
i mean i guess sludge bomb
oof wait i forgot the reason im not running whimsycot
i was running 185 speed roaring moon so i can outspeed whimsy in neutralizing gas then evd weezing to outspeed whimsy in trick room so i can taunt
The only grass types you may deal with are Amoongus (nuked by caly), Whimsicott (frail so it doesn't really matter), and Ogerpon which you've planned for
thats actually the entire reason i was running kilowatrel originally
for that one specific interaction lol
also volt switch is sooo good
maybe i run it on hands
This move's power is 20 if the target weighs less than 10 kg, 40 if less than 25 kg, 60 if less than 50 kg, 80 if less than 100 kg, 100 if less than 200 kg, and 120 if greater than or equal to 200 kg.
Fighting
Physical
0
100
20 (32)
ā
Copied by Mirror Move.
Makes contact.
Kinda surprised no Indeedee
Even when I wasn't using trick room, Indeedee Caly gave me so much trouble
i just dont like the deedee that much
it can spam helping hand and follow me but thats about it
its not even that tanky
being immune to astral barrage is pretty nice tho
Oh thank God
That's one less Indeedee user in the world
i still dont like my second restrcited that much
i feel like im forced to run zenta
as all my other options are (asssss)
what if i run caly ice and make it a tailroomt team
Zamazenta, Miraidon, or Koraidon if you're using Roaring Moon
thoughts on snarl zamazenta
Just no...
Snarl doesn't work well with Zama
If you're not using Indeedee, then use snarl on Raging bolt
LOL THIS MIGHT BE A TEAM
caps
4 SpA Weezing-Galar Sludge Bomb vs. 156 HP / 204 SpD Whimsicott: 180-216 (116.1 - 139.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO this is nice tho\
You can't have both calys
Yeah it is actually not possible
It's not a "the strategy won't work" situation
It is actually impossible to use both forms of Calyrex on a single team
oh rip lmao
I think its both impossible to have in game, and falls under species clause for VGC if it possible
i like your pfp
ty
i just played against hooh and it didnt seem bad
i might go back to zac
244+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Electro Drift (Super Effective) vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Talonflame in Electric Terrain: 656-776 (354.5 - 419.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO wtf man
i might go back to killowatrel lmao
its actually kinda good
electroweb volt switch tailwind, can switch in to the obvious miraidon volt switches
what would i even need to ev it to survive?
nothing outspeeds it
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2337172818-h1w9jhmw9jrfxgsv9u4rcifi511x1nppw
i love killowattrel lmao
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if he had a follow me or fake out user there that game wouldve gone so differently tho
like if he got trick room out i just lose
why is zacians only fairy mobe play rough
What other one would it use
I think that's meant as grimmsnarls signature move
I guess iron valiant gets it too
Power is equal to the base move's Z-Power.
Fairy
Physical
1
ā
1 (1.6)
ā
Bypasses Protect-like moves.
Does not make contact.
is it literally just spirit break and play rough
No additional effect.
Fairy
Physical
190
ā
1 (1.6)
ā
Bypasses Protect-like moves.
Makes contact.
I know a lot of hackmon zacian sets run magical torque
But play rough is the only generally available physical fairy move
Has a 30% chance to confuse the target.
Fairy
Physical
100
100
10 (16)
ā
Does not make contact.
And zacian seriously does not need another signature move
i could hear the wind blowing
Idk if u were in the competitive VGC scene in 2022 but it had 80% team usage
Nice
but ive gotten pretty deep into it lol
Ive been playing since VGC 2018
Somehow no
I plan on beginning to soon
I might go to NAIC
might as wel
who knew you couldve been the wolfe in an alternate dimension
who knows i mean lol
Eh I doubt that lol, he's been playing for 15 years
oh i thought he started 2015
No, he began in 2010 and won worlds in 2016
It was official in 2008 iirc, tho there was some stuff before
Vgc in gen 4 was a lot different, you could only have 4 pokemon on ur team
Rather than having 6 and bringing 4
Yeah it was
I never test without 6
like weakness policy rayquaza
all i want to know is how much damage weakness policy tera normal extreme speed does
with the chien pao switch
did they nerf it?
I got to like 1650 elo in 2022 with weakness policy necrozma dusk mane and kyogre
No, dmax just made it better
Ive not really used wp in gen 9, there's just better things
yeah its just like
it seems good but its just unreliable
comfey is an amazing policy procker
one thing i was playing a lot that felt amazing was scovillain
what does galar moltres do
Damage
Dark/Flying
Berserk
90/85/90/100/125/90
580
Moltres
oh thats kinda ass
What?
actually
Oh right u live in a flutter mane world
That didn't matter in gen 8
the game is so powercrept to where 100 attacking stat is mid
Bc of max airstream
Power is equal to the base move's Max Move power. If this move is successful, the Speed of each Pokemon on the user's side is raised by 1 stage, even if they have a substitute. This effect does not happen if the user is not Dynamaxed. If this move is used as a base move, it deals damage with a power of 0.
Flying
Physical
10
ā
10 (16)
ā
Bypasses Protect-like moves.
Does not make contact.
holy its tailwind plus attack
Has a 20% chance to make the target flinch.
Dark
Special
90
100
10 (16)
ā
Copied by Mirror Move.
Does not make contact.
Yeah i mean it was more consistent than gimmicky
people on showdown chill as fuck
https://pokepast.es/e17f5534f3f1977a is this team good
-8ball is ice rider still the call for toronto locals
is ice rider still the call for toronto locals
:8ball: Don't count on it
cir
it actually just chunked a CIR to red(I'm suprised it did not TR)
cir over don type stuff
@bold geode Dude Mirai CIR is Ass
not knowing how to play ur tr mode is assš
hey i don't play Mirai CIR that does not apply to me kek
Mirai CIR kinda ass
Nuh Uh I KNOW HOW
-8ball is cir pon amoonguss still the correct formula
is cir pon amoonguss still the correct formula
:8ball: Outlook not so good
bro is german

The 8 ball has spoken
i dunno what to bring next sunday to not get 2nd :(
Bring chips
iām not sure either 
i havenāt touched vgc in a while and im tryna speedrun another calyrex for my ice horse
not even
calyrex shouldnāt be too hard to get
just need crown tundra
but finals week as well so

What are you doing to get a second one?
a different sword shield save file�
u have to beat leon
whats ur in game timer rn 0.0
25 hours cuz this save was created two years ago š
my fastest for 0atk csr was 6hr41
itās been really periodic playtime
BUT YOU HAVE TO
emma emma
when you reset for a 0spe
do you have to do the cutscene again or just the battle?
just the battle
you save infront of the encounter
if u want it in a pretty ball i have an IV check kirlia
uh
how do i get the IV appraisal 
0spe is 75..
oh
ok
so get a 76spe mon :3
uhhh
iāve got almost no one on this file š
but i donāt think im gonna go for pretty ball 
lame..
just Mball it
ewwwww
iām lazy and on a timer š
oh yeah
the carrot dance that calyrex does 
Rownworownwo
I just moved him from shield to home to Scarlet
He even has the perfect nature
+spe -att
i meanā¦.
nature mints exists so-
Ik it wants defense
forgot to mention but i got new hat yday
Damn that's drip
Emma my goat
woooooo ogerpon 
W ogerpon hat
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elite regirock TR play
ogypon
ogy
u forgor the tera?
Psychic is a bit wild as a Honse tera
AH YES I AM THE FORGER
embrace it
I shall forge the new timeline
Idk what to say
Itās alright gramps
Shh shh I think itās time for you to go to sleep
š š¤š¤š¤
mf
I got winners on the way
half of the shit u say I cant do anything with
Im just confuse a lot of the time ngl
What winners man? How do they come into play here?
bro is forgo
Nuh uh
Hmmmm theyāre supposed to be here
...
ngl I have no clue why its psychic tera I was questioning that mid match
ig when I pasted the set in from pikalytics it got bugged
imma throw tera fire on it
what item are Incin/Farig?
I was scared of that chi-yu in the match thats why I terad in the first place
farig is safety goggles and incin is sitrus berry bc it used to have safety goggles but I wanted it on farig more
do u have psychic on fari?
yea
cause ur team is ass into amogus
lowkey ur right
I dont really see him that much rn
if I struggle against him in the future ill probably have to switch it up
yeah he is declining a bit Id say. Redirection losing value. Still crazy vs/for TR
Fari 2 shots I think so you can just lead it if they want to lead amogus
word
Got top 10 on ladder with a fun Shieldfish team, thought Iād share as it might be alright into the wave of Calyshadow & Zama teams cropping up
Paste with EVs: https://t.co/5BmKY2fiWS

big fucking ears
awh
yeah
Not horrible but think I prefer Zacian for the faster paced Kyogre teams
Also did consider Amoongus and Ice Spinner Pao for a team I got rn but uh
Rillaboom cooks rn LOL
But still
Zam Ogre not bad
Bet my money more on Zam CSR though
Pain
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a blind guess-
yea idk conner i feel like you shouldāve seen that coming
Yeah I don't how I didn't
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Holy Ho oh clutch
Man I actually love Ho oh so much, it's such a weird attraction too
I thought he was weird up until now
nothing hits harder than starting to like a pokemon bc of how youāve used it in vgc
I've come across that dude before, super bad loser
To be fair I did hard read his life
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https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regibo3-2337762408
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Both games
ew wtf is thaatttt
Is what?
your team!!
The salt is real
It's called creativity !
I need to rework my team I think, it feels awkward
stop it!!!! 
But it's working
that is exactly the issue :3
is that ur rank?
idk im not smart
thats crazy tho good shit
I just threw a match I clinched for 2 moves bc i forgot ghost is immune to fighting
is anyone here going to atlanta?
not me cuz different country
noo iom wannnnaaaaa play reg g
After playing Reg I, I don't think I could enjoy Reg G
Sacred fire coming from 130 atk in the sun is just too nice
reg i brother,,,,, tap in
I don't know why but Ho oh is lowkey feeling good
Also people underestimate the threat that a 4x super effective STAB move is
why didnt he just parting outš
well ig thats coming regardless
acc no heād live as lunala barely but
tbf depending on speed invest they just parting shot after Foul Play
it doesnāt matter who he partings into its just so lunala can eat SOMETHING with shadow shield lmao
she did tho?
tbolt ā> parting ā> foul play for like 80%
well yeah. Foul play might even go before Parting or Uturn
i doubt it
@shadow wind u got speed invest?
Dark/Fairy
Prankster, Frisk, Pickpocket (Hidden)
95/120/65/95/75/60
510
both are base 60
incin usually has a teensy bit of investment
no threat yeah.
Draco would hurt but u should live anything
tbf it might be a low HP incin tho no?
Pretty face, pretty dress
huh?
there are no laws against the pokemon batman
truely great
Iād say itās the gallade in iron valiant
3 am, Im in my room working out and watching Wall Street news...
on that sigma grind
x_bell goated
I call it fucked sleep schedule but ok
Hello chat
Hello warm, light emitting, orange exothermic chemical reaction
Is it worth having support restricteds in the current meta or is it just better to use 2 busted ones
commonly used while camping
Asking questions before actually playing the game
Probably lunala
for?
It's just the first thing that came to mind when I thought about support restricted idk lol
Haven't really decided yet
Zama and Lunala commonly run TR and/or Wide guard
its funny how when youre team building sometimes that works best is going back to something you were using before
I'm just brainstorming what I wanna use which I shouldn't be doing yet since I haven't actually looked at the meta
I just thought hey maybe I should try lunala pagos or something
On who?
Real question is are all these the same sets too
ehh mostly
only thing that hasnt changed is csr and weezing lol
[gen9vgc2024regi] Copy of Copy of Copy of Copy of
Ah heck nah
I'll respect that
I will not
Because I think mandibuzz is underrated
Electric/Flying
Wind Power, Volt Absorb, Competitive (Hidden)
70/70/60/105/60/125
490
volt absorb makes it great to bring in miraidon matchup
since they are all so predictable with the volt switch you can just switch in watrel
weezing is evd to exactly outspeed whimsy in tailwind
so i can tailwind and taunt whimsy and theres nothing they can do about it its great
and if they arent runing sash whimsy
whimsy is 4x weak to poison so sludge bomb always kills
it also outspeed torn
This Pokemon's non-damaging moves have their priority increased by 1. Opposing Dark-type Pokemon are immune to these moves, and any move called by these moves, if the resulting user of the move has this Ability.
While this Pokemon is active, Abilities have no effect. This Ability activates before hazards and other Abilities take effect. Does not affect the As One, Battle Bond, Comatose, Disguise, Gulp Missile, Ice Face, Multitype, Neutralizing Gas, Power Construct, RKS System, Schooling, Shields Down, Stance Change, Tera Shift, Zen Mode, or Zero to Hero Abilities.
yea thats what killowatrel does
unless you run ability shield on some mon
it outspeeds pretty much everything
i could use moon or talonflame too
and i know that objectively moon is better but killowatrel has been feeling better idk why
This one is my goat, if you're bringing up kilowattrel being good for you I also wanna bring up that this fella has been tanking adamant glacial lances for me
This Pokemon is immune to powder moves, damage from Sandstorm, and the effects of Rage Powder and the Effect Spore Ability.
Safety goggles but ability
i respect it lol
Ok but what do you do against mirai
Ok but what do you do against ice rider
77% with foul play if it doesn't Tera
Ok but what do you do against-
Not bring it in lol
I was using it in reg g so it's less of a worry
You only have to worry about one busted legendary at a time
wait why am i even worry about it
Because-
(Not counting urshifu)
Scarf Shifu lol
Scarf
but yeah the only issue so far is that if they get trick room up and kill clefairy i lose
š§£
Yep
i struggle against tailroom because if i bring my tailwind counter and they bring trick room i kinda lose
so idk what to really do about that
Taunt
i love ur spreads bc u always put the fucking 2
What's weezing for genuinely, like I respect non gimmick weezing but what does it accomplish for that specific team
Taunt and burn
Gotta love it there's usually at least one person who notices and gets unreasonably annoyed
shuts down sun rain e-terrain, a lot of random abilities, is a big target, taunt will of wissp is really good
also it just feels really nice to play with
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example lol
I respect weezing because I was using it in reg h paired with ability shield incineroar and that shut down like 75% of the meta
Same
Except I was only playing reg h for like 2 weeks then I dipped
oh yeah and the main reason i started wanting weezing
zacian hard loses to intimidate and weezing shuts that down
Isn't weezing also holding back the intrepid sword
Yes
Tradeoff I guess
But the power of the sword lies within āļøš¤
also i love doing this
yes which is also good
Aka switch weezing out if intimidate isn't their lead?
because its once per game so i can activate it whenever i want
Yeah
its like a free howl just by switchibng out
It kinda felt similar since my reg h team had hospitality sinistcha but that never really came into play
You know what
I should do koraidon + howl scream tail again with some other legendary
sinistcha and weezing next to each other does literally nothing loil
i feel like koraidon doesnt need the howl buff
It gives healing to whatever comes in next if you switch weezing out iirc
Never came into play for me for real but interesting tech
Well it came into play for me, just never in a way that mattered
I miss sinistcha man
It's like a top 3 mon for me specifically in reg h
The only one where it was good
The only time sinistcha was available while flutter mane, single strike urshifu, tornadus, calyrex ice rider, calyrex shadow rider and chien pao weren't available
I think I'm gonna try koraidon lunala with howl scream tail
I think I'm slapping on indeedee under the excuse that it's for prio control
And give lunala expanding force
?????????????????????
@balmy glen teach me zamazenta for toronto local sundayš
this is just definition of 1100 elo
I wonder if I should play anymore games
Do it
if you have to ask yourself this the answer is usually no
real
Should I put will o wisp on lunala for the Zama matchup or is it a wasted moveslot
wasted moveslot
Thought so
I think Lunala needs coverage
i think the four moves lunala usually runs are way too important
I ran moongeist meteor beam wide guard protect
moongeist wide guard tr + coverage depending on item
Could just use moonblast instead of protect tbh
I didn't use trick room because my team didn't take any advantage of that
ig tr depends on the team
I had Jumpluff Chien-Pao and scarf Chi-Yu
but most of the time itās super valuable
Encore csr is also really funny
Well it's like early format so rank means nothing
This team is fairly hard to tilt with
When I lose it was definitely my fault
Or a missed move
Yknow actually sounds like every team
Erik have you seen the team?
Just don't miss
iāve seen the team via replays yea
not like the paste or anything tho
any rough mus for you?
https://pokepast.es/6ac53af0adf1a705 i've been on this lately
haven't played much bc i've been kinda busy but i've gotten some bo1 games in
Any reason for Darkfu over Waterfu?
i dont wanna share evs bc it's not my team but it was shared to me
i like it into csr
i do wanna get stronger lines into csr zama
Ho oh gaming
https://pokepast.es/881003afceacd09f i feel like i could try this but using valiant over bundle
I love valiant
drop the status move (encore or taunt) on valiant for icy wind and do wide guard coaching spirit break
ho oh my beloved
I had that set with icy wind
Encore is too awesome into Incin for me though
are the evs copyrighted or osmething huh?
https://pokepast.es/c6371c166be9a49f this was also something i liked
That looks like cancer incarnate
just not my team
they're pretty standard but still
If you're getting a team shared to you don't share the evs unless given permission
huh didnt know that
Not a real rule but it's just respectful
Aerial Ace, Brick Break, Close Combat, Drain Punch, False Swipe, Feint, Fire Punch, Fling, Fury Cutter, Giga Impact, Ice Punch, Knock Off, Leaf Blade, Liquidation, Low Kick, Night Slash, Poison Jab, Psycho Cut, Reversal, Shadow Claw, Shadow Sneak, Spirit Break, Throat Chop, Thunder Punch, X-Scissor, Zen Headbutt
Aura Sphere, Charge Beam, Dazzling Gleam, Energy Ball, Expanding Force, Focus Blast, Future Sight, Grass Knot, Hex, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Icy Wind, Magical Leaf, Moonblast, Psybeam, Psychic, Psyshock, Shadow Ball, Stored Power, Swift, Tera Blast, Thunderbolt, Vacuum Wave
Agility, Calm Mind, Coaching, Confuse Ray, Destiny Bond, Disable, Double Team, Electric Terrain, Encore, Endure, Helping Hand, Hypnosis, Imprison, Light Screen, Metronome, Misty Terrain, Protect, Psych Up, Psychic Terrain, Quick Guard, Reflect, Rest, Skill Swap, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Swords Dance, Taunt, Thunder Wave, Trick, Trick Room, Wide Guard
A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Iron Valiant.
yae
what an insane move pool it learns icy wind what the fuck
It's stupid
Acrobatics, Aerial Ace, Bite, Body Press, Body Slam, Breaking Swipe, Brick Break, Crunch, Dig, Double-Edge, Dragon Claw, Dragon Rush, Dragon Tail, Earthquake, Facade, Fire Fang, Fly, Giga Impact, Headbutt, Iron Head, Jaw Lock, Knock Off, Lash Out, Metal Claw, Night Slash, Outrage, Rock Slide, Scale Shot, Shadow Claw, Stomping Tantrum, Stone Edge, Take Down, Throat Chop, Thunder Fang, U-turn, X-Scissor, Zen Headbutt
Air Slash, Dark Pulse, Draco Meteor, Dragon Breath, Dragon Pulse, Fire Blast, Fire Spin, Flamethrower, Heat Wave, Hurricane, Hydro Pump, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Incinerate, Snarl, Tera Blast
Dragon Cheer, Dragon Dance, Endure, Focus Energy, Leer, Protect, Rest, Roar, Roost, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Sunny Day, Tailwind, Taunt
A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Roaring Moon.
The other 590 dude didn't get allat
i think tailwind makes up for it tbh
DD as well
is iron valient supposed to be gardevoir and gallade combined
Like lowkey
is anyone ring dragon dance moon??
mooon feels great except for the 4x fairy weakness
In singles he's the goat
dying to bulky whims moonblast feels so shit
Well used to be the goat
It's niche
insane support move pool, paradox pokemon movespeed
Roaring moon getting banned from OU is wild
Has a 50% chance to burn the target.
Fire
Physical
100
95
5 (8)
ā
Copied by Mirror Move.
Does not make contact.
Thaws the user if frozen.
One of the best physical moves ever
wtf really
Breaking swipe snarl tw speed booster energy support duh
By stealing Tang' spread
Roaring Moon @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 220 Atk / 36 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Acrobatics
- Knock Off
- Tailwind
- Protect
I usually ran this
Very simple but it did what I needed it to
\oh yeah thats pretty much what im running
ill try those evs
https://pokepast.es/1bdae66b70a96600 wonder if I'm getting somewhere or nah be honest
Eject button Indeedee is only really used on TR
So far
I don't see the point here
That Gouging Fire set is a set
Get up terrain and leave
I guess
does anyone have tangs evs?
I should take some good set from somewhere I just game it max speed, just under the speed stat for attack
Roaring Moon @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 148 HP / 84 Atk / 116 Def / 4 SpD / 156 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Knock Off
- Acrobatics
- Protect
- Tailwind
check out one of cybertrons recent vids he has that team featured w/ evs
lol this is crazy
I just sent the Tang set
yea
Use the VGCPastes repo
ty
k4x1 has given 1 Gen Rep to connertep
Genuinely such a funny scenario for finals
this?
Wonder if they split the prize money equally or something
the brothers with the same team bahaha
no? lmao
Yeah I think they did
Idk it's something I'd do with my brother
They are not brothers tho
Well they are tang
tang gang
I'd do it with same last name
wait they arent brothers?
no
Yeah I thought they were lol
not in the literal sense atleast
Brothers in arms
real
Pain
Healing
crazy concept jus cuz u have the same last name as some1 doesnt mean ur related
Nuhuh
Doesnt stop people from assuming u are
Do they even have the same last name? How they have it formatted in VGCPastes it seems like Tang is one of their first names
Maybe it's formatted weirdly though
Doesnt matter how obvious 8t is that u a rent
One is from china and the other one is from usa
Getting to finals with the same team is gonna make that assumption sound very likely for anyone uninformed tbh
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Psychic
Dark, Electric, Fire, Ghost, Grass, Water
Flying, Ground, Normal, Poison, Rock, Steel, Stellar
Bug, Dragon, Fighting, Ice
Fairy
Brothers in arms tho fr that's definitely what I meant the whole time
I did think I heard someone call them brothers online
doesnt mean u should assume that off rip tho 
Tbf if you check an official page or stream you should see that its Tang Shilliang vs Justin Tang + they look nithing alike
Yeah I think I heard it somewhere too so not my fault for embarrassing myself frfr
would it be better if it was flying dark type i wonder
Mandibuzz hell yeah mandibuzz mentioned
Ground, Psychic
Dark, Ghost, Grass
Bug, Dragon, Fighting, Fire, Flying, Normal, Poison, Steel, Stellar, Water
Electric, Fairy, Ice, Rock
ehhh not really
Yeah 8ts annoying sometimes, stupid that is. There is a relatively know author with the same last name as me...stupid ass questions
Im better anyways
lol
Off topic but it made me think of my grandpas crazy lore
thats an interesting team
When you're both pokemon players with the same team composition reaching the finals of the same tournament and they put your name on that screen like that you gotta understand it's a reasonable assumption
Says the guy with mons that really like their abilities and Weezing
lmao
As long as u havent seen their faces Id agree
Weezing random ahh
I havent lol I just saw a post commenting on the teams and results and someone in the comments was like "damn crazy that brothers did that" and went with it lol
Like Friend guard, Intrepid sword, Protosynthesis, and Sturdy
My bad for being misinformed ig but like man you gotta admit that's pretty funny
Did they like get the same teams on purpose
switching weezing out to reactivate sturdy and fuck w/ ur opponent 
Im going over a sane limit here but thats kinda a big issue today ngl. People just seeing someone uninformed drop sth on the internet and just believing it without doing a tiny bit if research themselves
clefairy and oger will generally not be with weezing
Would cook me
lovely kill ur positional flexibility
Not that deep in that case ngl just a lik rant
Yeeeeah I guess, in my defense I wasn't even really interested at the time and didn't think the topic would come up again anyways
not even sayin weezing sucks in reg i but ur team is awkward for it for sure
I thought I heard some youtube short say that they were brothers, I knew they weren't but it just kinda shocked me that they said it
Yeah not an import5tooic but people do that with like Tariffs. Just believe a dude that made up an expert for a book for example. Fucking up my Portfolio in the process
does calyrex die to +1 astral barrage?
Why doesnt mold breaker win vs neutralizing gas(or does it?)
Yes
i mean caly ice
ofc lmao
Cause mold breaker wouldn't matter??
Abilities are off anyway
okay we chilling
Let me kill this guy with my mold breaker so it breaks through his sturdy !
Oh he didn't have sturdy anyway...
If it was the opposite you could argue the same thing for "why does neutralizing gas turn off mold breaker" like both have the same logic so I feel like it's just what the devs went with
@astral kelp +1 252 SpA Calyrex-Shadow Rider Astral Barrage vs. 244 HP / 100 SpD Calyrex-Ice Rider: 204-240 (99 - 116.5%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO
yea i think neutralizing gas would activate 1st to turn off mold breaker from even being in play
oof got lucky then
But neutralizing gas does activate before most things
Yeah
Nah man. Its liie 1% to not kill on the probably most special bulk on CIR that isnt AV
i should use oger fire instead of corner
Me when I use Weezing to counter Weezing because my Neutralizing gas will turn off their Neutralizing gas so Neutralizing gas isn't in effect because their Neutralizing gas will turn off my Neutralizing gas
Point is, if the devs wanted to, they could've just made mold breaker ignore neutralizing gas, so I feel like it's just what the game ended up as
works bettwe with weezing and its just such a crazy mons
Don't call the ability that please
Ooh yeah
LOL
Lol
yea was jus gna say
Darkness
Thats gonna go real pretty in my quotes chat
Fixed it, fixed it
Gj
i need to push this account out of low ladder
Incin, Room service
Brings back memories of a certain set I used to run
Nasty plot heat wave Incin
Ur not chi yu
How bad can it be right
I played Nasty Plot Baton Pass incin for like 30mins
Bro was Chi yu
People would get scared of fake out and Protect and Flutter would set up TR and he would click Nasty Plot
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My CTS skills peaked there
Room service np incin would go insane on low ladder
so i want to ev moon to outspeed in whimsy in neutra gas
i also want it to like actually do damage
how do i ev this thing
i think its more like 1 ability jus overrides all the abilities that arent on the exception list. if it cancels out abilities why would your ability get to still act to cancel out theirs? u wouldnt have said ability to do so. order of operations type shit. but yea they could do w/e if they really wanted to wouldnt necessarily make sense
the other ones are usually form changes and then randomly the horses
Wouldnt Baton Pass not just be better. Lets u pivot and pass on the boost to a better user
maybe i should go more bulk and taunt snarl
Fire/dark hits a lot
And sun boosted heat wave is good enough
Chiyu in the back
if it hits
Jep
Dont TR then
At least nasty plot incin sounds better than flare blitz chi yu
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New team idea
Bounce, Crunch, Facade, Flame Charge, Flame Wheel, Flare Blitz, Giga Impact, Lash Out, Payback, Take Down, Temper Flare, Zen Headbutt
Burning Jealousy, Dark Pulse, Ember, Fire Blast, Fire Spin, Flamethrower, Heat Wave, Hex, Hyper Beam, Incinerate, Inferno, Lava Plume, Overheat, Psychic, Ruination, Snarl, Tera Blast
Confuse Ray, Endure, Light Screen, Mean Look, Memento, Nasty Plot, Protect, Reflect, Rest, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Spite, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Taunt, Will-O-Wisp
A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Chi-Yu.
Iron ball
look at wat u did conner
maybe this?
I kill others' chances so I get to do better
I inspire stupidity so I can take advantage
chat is crunch flare blitz chi yu the call for naic
wheres the love for the competition
And flame charge for the speed boost fr
Hey if they do Flare blitz Chi yu I'll say "Cool team !" and look the other way
snarl moon seems genuinely awful
Shit happens everytime a gimmick is brought up. Someone drops a worse gimmick idea and someone does it
See except I do most of my gimmick ideas
we must break this cycle
dragon swipe might be better
I'm not actually doing it I'm not that dumb
breaking swipe?
So it's not even empty ideas
Acrobatic
It's just fun to think about it
yea breaking swipe lol
There are teams in my builder with nasty plot incin
I think I made a nasty plot lando t thing as a joke at some point
breaking swipe might be ok, not sure how much u can net tho w/ like every physical restricted running clear amulet tho and knock off into swipe prolly wont be consistent enough
Hate should be more normalised
Bullying needs to be brought back

Unless it's against me
Results are now everything, if you aren't getting T500 on ladder change your team !
Centralize everything !
Results are not everything, if you're using a good team and can't get T500 on the ladder you're a dogwater gamer who can't do anything right!
Preach I guess?
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embrace being ass
I just did it
Nuhuh
conner hows that hooh team going
It's going great
But I don't even know if it's the team at this point
Anyone can make hard reads and win
GG
so youre argument is that youre just better 
And he is right
Nah I just make teams that allow me to play to my strengths
Which is calling out stupid plays
Most of my games come down to a call or 2
Which isn't how a team should be
A team should be able to win 8 times out of 10 through pure strength
Good teams don't need reads to win most of the time
honestly tho
that seems good
i feel like you always want to build to your strengths even if you have to sacrifice objective strength
Whatever gets results
Iāve just always built my own teams so I know what I like to use
If you like the team you use youāll do better on average
You can't have that in the regional, so just kill a man a day before so that people there feel intimidated
Who is stopping me?
252 SpA Life Orb Calyrex-Shadow Rider Dark Pulse vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Indeedee-F: 135-161 (76.2 - 90.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO ehhh
You don't wanna be disqualified
Indeedee is phat.
i just really dont like psychic
Yeah killing amoonguss sucks
252 SpA Life Orb Calyrex-Shadow Rider Psychic vs. 244 HP / 108 SpD Amoonguss: 252-299 (114.5 - 135.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO oh huh diddnt know that
Ghost
Psychic
Dragon, Electric, Fairy, Fighting, Fire, Flying, Grass, Ground, Ice, Normal, Poison, Rock, Steel, Stellar, Water
Bug, Dark
bug and dark lmao
Surprised you didn't assume the 165 base spatk stab life orb supereffective psychic would kill
Honestly I'm surprised it's that close to not killing
Amoogus
i frogot that psychic does SE to poision
252 Atk Protosynthesis Roaring Moon Knock Off vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Indeedee-F: 144-170 (81.3 - 96%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Amoonguss is still the goat though
how do people even deal with this CREATURA
252 Atk Protosynthesis Roaring Moon Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Shadow Shield Lunala: 248-294 (101.6 - 120.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO at least it one shots this
Spread moves like heat wave or snarl
Fun and games spamming snarl until the tera fairy shadow rex has a covert cloak
Im trying to find a duo for caly ice
Miraidon
Im thinking in either Necrozma dawn or Dialga
How does it complement caly ice?
Gotta know what you're doing picking dawn wing, it's only 10 more spatk at the cost of losing multiscale
Over just lunala
Its slower as well
20 points slower
Boltbeam as well as enabling Iron hands
And has prism armor which isnt as good as multiscale but
Its useful when you tera mainly
Lmk when prism armor lets it live a 4x astral barrage
You'd be surprised
Maybe only if its one of those bulky caly shadow that invest in HP instead of SpAtk and you invest in Luanala's Spc def and HP
I really dont know where to begin with the team honestly
252+ SpA Calyrex-Shadow Rider Astral Barrage vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Shadow Shield Lunala: 188-224 (88.6 - 105.6%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO
Modest max shadow rider vs no investment, not a realistic scenario but works as a base to understand how good it is
I threw some stuff together
Has it been working?
Well I have played 4 games
Won 3
Thats all I have for context which isnt much
But Idk what I would do if its a Kyoger Miraidon team
This looks like it would do terrible to it
I wanna use Lunala but 97 spd is pretty bad for trick room
Wont act before incineroar or rillaboom
Or anything really unless its the speedy paradox and legends
YIPPIE
Me when I enter the chat of instant happiness
I wonder if Ho oh will see actual usage or if I'm being delusional
Well there is one
Thereās a ho oh eternatus team with Dondozo Tatsu ting Lu
Ew...
anyone got a cute flutter spread
What does that even mean š
just a good booster spe one
Flutter Mane @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 100 HP / 92 Def / 132 SpA / 4 SpD / 180 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Moonblast
- Icy Wind
- Taunt
- Protect
i got one ty tho
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Ah heck nah, game give me anything š
Can you give me pokemon based on poisonous plants and medical herbs? 
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You were boned if they sent out farig and miraidon
@craggy dagger what's your team looking like currently for upcoming gc so I'm not overlapping? 
https://pokepast.es/2593af03be7238db
iāll be honest-
the dachsbun slot could change anytime but donāt expect anything meta (prolly)
am thinking i might just run regidrago

yep
Man I love when Firepon crits through my Reflect and OHKO's my tera fire Groudon
+1 252+ Atk Hearthflame Mask Tera Fire Ogerpon-Hearthflame-Tera Ivy Cudgel vs. 228 HP / 4 Def Tera Fire Groudon in Sun through Reflect: 79-94 (38.7 - 46%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Does less than half when it doesn't crit by the way
It can do that?
That team looks like it loses to Zama
it does 
being honest-
i donāt know what to add for a 6th-
the dachsbun slot is the empty one
Amogus
hm
that could be good
It's catching on I swear
Amogus
Yeah we literally have no other similar mons than Hoh Groudon
And they forfeit before the game even started
My aura
I'd use it but I don't like having two physical restricted
Iām using Korai Ho oh but ye
TW Ho oh?
no AV
Dang that fella ain't dyin
wow Zama CSR
Any suggestions on a zacian balance build?
what in the fuckin hell is this
LOL
oh yeah that one set in Japan-
yo, guys, for my S.Atk farigiraf, what's better: Booster energy, Choice specs, wise glasses or life orb?
Depends on ur team. Usual items for firigiraf is either psychic seed (for a bulky set)
Throat spray for a offensive set
Or life orb.
I wouldnāt recommend specs cuz you wanna utalise the ability to set up truck room without having to switch out after
uh booster energy does not work on farig
definitely not choice specs
thx
Why booster energy? The giraffe isn't a paradox mon
I saw someone mention Psychic seed. You could probably also do Room Service since it's gonna be trick room based
I watched it worked with the mismagious paradox, and it is a S.Atk, didn't know how it works
Flutter Mane is a paradox mon so booster energy works with it due to their ability
Psychic Seed, Room Service or possibly even Leftovers or Rocky Helmet on a bulky support variant
neither
just use Safety Goggles in general or Electric Seed when you use Miraidon
Throat Spray for offense, Electric Seed on Miraidon teams, Safety Goggles as a Amoonguss deterent, Rocky Helmet or Sitrus if u dont know anything better or dont have anything left
Throat spray probably has little viability in the next format but I like it
But like for in general,Never let Farigiraf be the offensive tool
Booster energy only works with Paradox mons
I like Throat Spray giraffe still. Put in work with Reshiram in that team.
getting a lil silly
weakest bolt ever
- As Cleffa as an egg move
mm
@craggy dagger https://pokepast.es/3c243a717d49d1c3 team is locked in
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@chrome knot this ladder hates me I stg
probably still picks up some pelippers
I keep hitting top 500, instantly losing and getting knocked out, and then eating shit one game away whether it be bad play or literally shit that's out my control like a DC
Team is good though so I can't complain
top 500 queue must be different im guessing then
is it like a hard cut off or something
I can send later
It's not bad at all
Honestly I can probably play better
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i donāt know
i keep losing to braden clemens at locals at it makes so frustrated :(
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