competitive_discussion

[fringe fossil]

hear me out trevanant for caly and bring destiny bond and trick room set up and then switch tornadus out for maybe another trick room setter so I dont have to bring trevanant in a situation I shouldnt

[languid ocean]

I'm guessing tr on caly-s to counter opposing tr?

I used clefairy with after you rather than resetting trick room

[fringe fossil]

nah im rebuilding the team I sent the paste for reg G cuz I wanna play in game and I was thinking of switching caly-s on that team for trevanant and rework it to use trick room more because I wasn't really using tornadus that much

[charred saddle]

i mean the gameplan itself is already scuffed

[fringe fossil]

oh definitely

I have no clue what im doing

[charred saddle]

ur trying to get the TR off for regirock but most of the team itself is fast

not that fast but its too fast to utilize tr at least

[fringe fossil]

yeah I gotta rework it I think some form of potential is there I just need to figure it out

[real prairie]

Love it

[languid ocean]

I used this on cart ladder and GC, it's pretty nice but I tend to end up in unfavorable MUs against Miraidon teams https://pokepast.es/10a5cccf33eba2f7

but it's a bit scuffed since some MUs can just outbulk

[tiny karma]

Move: Cotton Spore

Lowers the target's Speed by 2 stages.

Type

Grass

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

40 (64)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Powder

Fails against Grass-types, Overcoat, and Safety Goggles.

Reflectable

Affected by Magic Coat and Magic Bounce.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[charred saddle]

with that set ur also going to have a problem playing against a mirror CSR match i think

CSR tends to want to go max speed timid to outspeed opposing CSR and get the speed tie

by not going max speed timid = you will lose most of the trades

playing against miraidon you do have some resists here and there and you can like use it

firepon resists dgleam
dont think fairy dgleam KOs any of ur team unless crits/doubled up
electric resists on IH firepon
can be FO since its most likely specs

[vocal plume]

Is it worth considering Icy Wind for Kyogre?

[charred saddle]

im more confused on your choice of dragon tera in clefairy

and supercell slam in IH

[charred saddle]

icy wind in kyogre? no

[languid ocean]

it was actually not supercell slam on my switch but rather wild charge

[vocal plume]

K. I was gonna use Protect, Thunder, Origin Pulse, Water Spout but thought I'd ask in case

[charred saddle]

it doesnt make any sense to have ur own restricted to do the supporting roles when they have the highest dmg potential in the tean

unless maybe double restricted

[solid frigate]

Ice Beam.

Run Ice Beam on Ogre.

[vocal plume]

I'm considering it for double res

[languid ocean]

tera dragon is not bad as it resists the common water/electric/grass/fire

[charred saddle]

still a no tbf, you couldve any other mon do it for kyogre

[vocal plume]

Cool 👍

[languid ocean]

think the flutter mane would be better suited for icy wind yea

[vocal plume]

I don't even know I'm going to use Flutter

Probably will

I'm experimenting rn tho

[rustic mountain]

always nice seeing dozo get stomped but they played that so badly

[vocal plume]

The issue with Flutter in the current team I building is I have 3 special sweepers at that point

In Caly-Shadow and Ogre

[rustic mountain]

yea id make sure u have a good balance b.w support and damage

[vocal plume]

Exactly. That's why I think I'm bringing Incine

Creating multiple teams tho

[rustic mountain]

incin is great glue generally

[charred saddle]

in the current format i dont think having flutter as ur sweeper is a good idea

[vocal plume]

Experimenting rn

[rustic mountain]

nd yea its good to have variations and see how they work and which is better especially early format

[charred saddle]

flutter rn feels better as a support with icywind/twave speed booster

[vocal plume]

Exactly. That set doesn't seem to work either

[vocal plume]

Yeah

[rustic mountain]

flutter will b ok, it has to contend with a lot of strong options now tho

[vocal plume]

I mean my Incine currently runs Parting Shot, Fake Out, Knock Off and Flare Blitz

[rustic mountain]

pretty standard

[languid ocean]

I was going to say "maybe Swift Swim Kingdra is an option for Icy Wind" but turns out Flutter Mane still outspeeds even in rain

[rustic mountain]

kingdra wasnt even good in reg h

[vocal plume]

Obviously it's fairly standard but three moves there help stop opponents from recovering or attacking.

[rustic mountain]

standard doesnt mean bad

[languid ocean]

it was just a thought that crossed my mind lol

[vocal plume]

At the moment, I have zero speed control

[languid ocean]

I was lowkey hoping it could outspeed

[vocal plume]

Supporting my allies

[rustic mountain]

i used kingdra a bit in swsh, it was cool

[vocal plume]

Just considering what item I should use on Rilla

[rustic mountain]

av usually

[vocal plume]

I could run Electroweb Raging Bolt

Seems silly tho

[dense latch]

it’s def not silly

[languid ocean]

AV Raging Bolt I'm assuming

[dense latch]

it’s usually the 4th move on an av bolt

tbolt tclap draco eweb

[vocal plume]

that's the one

I need some form of speed control yk

[languid ocean]

it's actually decently bulky even with 4 SpD EVs too imo

[vocal plume]

Exactly

Basically what I'm going to do is build a team, trial it. Build a new one

[solid frigate]

if you have fluter icy wind just run snarl bolt

[vocal plume]

I went 2 W/2 L in a bo2 format

It was weird

This team seems quite good.

[languid ocean]

Actually wonder if Grimmsnarl is a decent pick as well. Access to TWave, Screens, Fake Out, Foul Play, Spirit Break and naturally immune to Prankster mons doesn't sound so bad at least when I checked the usage. Pretty popular pair to go with bolt too, and even both caly formes I mean TWave is also a form of speed control right

[vocal plume]

3 in a row

I'm actually cooking lol

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2333797998

Is wide guard a priority move?

[languid ocean]

yes it's +3

[vocal plume]

Bruh this guy I'm against just spams

It's pathetic

[languid ocean]

it's funny how you can spam wide guard with no drawback unlike protect

it is what it is

[vocal plume]

Got messed up in my last battle by two misses from Origin Pulse on Palkia

Got ruined by TR Porygon2 as well

[rustic mountain]

13-2 w/ my new csr/zama variant (i changed 1 mon )

[vocal plume]

I've gone from winning three in a row to losing 5 in a row

Fun times for me

[rustic mountain]

new formats can b tough

jus learn from ur losses

[shadow wind]

Man that’s all I see on ladder

[rustic mountain]

its kinda goated rn

mirror can be a bit weird but yea

[lofty tartan]

You gonna run Uncrowned Zama Imprison, Tree?

[shadow wind]

Yeah they both beat themselves

[rustic mountain]

lmao ive def seen some imprison zams

i think its kinda troll but depends

[shadow wind]

Imprison wide guard just feels bad

[lofty tartan]

I saw some talk about Uncrowned because it's faster and Imprisons vs slower Zama Crowned but I'm not riding that train xD

[shadow wind]

But also it could be good if you’re paired with like Kyogre

[vocal plume]

It's driving me nuts

I'm trying not to curse

[shadow wind]

Goat behaviour

[lofty tartan]

This game has a lot of variance even in winning and losing because of matchup roulettes. Just keep a positive attitude and if you start to tilt, take a break.

Pushups or light cardio is a great thing between matches

[vocal plume]

Trust me I could crashout rn lol

[rustic mountain]

thats wat i feel like, also its kinda linear if u both lead csr zama, they protect and imprison but im running fairy speedy zama usually i can outpace and ko or re position depending on their bulk

[shadow wind]

I don’t think there’s MU roulettes with double restricted

[rustic mountain]

oh idk bout uncrowned that seems objectively awful

[shadow wind]

Nah but it’s faster

[rustic mountain]

doesnt matter

[lofty tartan]

Oh I know. Their reasoning is 3 points faster, but overall weaker and vulnerable to fairies.

[rustic mountain]

yea haha the trade offs are not worth at all

[vocal plume]

Worst part is I'm only trying to test. I was just using CSR Ogre

[lofty tartan]

I agree with you. Being vulnerable to booster Mane is not a good deal.

[rustic mountain]

right

it has one of the best typings in the format rn

why fuck w/ that

[lofty tartan]

Yeah again, they have reasoning there. Zama Uncrowned isn't weak to fire/ground but like the trade-off for memery seems really bad.

I'm not really into telegraphed Imprison WG strats.

I only run Imprison for TR

[rustic mountain]

the reason isnt good tho

[shadow wind]

The only consistent case I find

[rustic mountain]

ppl b trying the weirdest shit glad i havent run into that

[lofty tartan]

Oh I didn't say it was good, just that they had reasoning, albeit really shortsighted.

[rustic mountain]

yea

[lofty tartan]

Flutter Mane is going to be a lot more prevalent now because you can only tera one of your big bads.

[rustic mountain]

i think flutter useage doesnt increase at all

if anything i see a decrease

[lofty tartan]

Yeah?

[rustic mountain]

it has to contend w/ 2 restricteds now

its not bad but idk if it necessarily fits much on a lot of teams outside more sun based ones

[shadow wind]

I mean there’s a lot of sun going around

[rustic mountain]

nd sun has its own problems

[lofty tartan]

I can't really check on usage statistics being so early but we'll earmark this and return to it later when we have some data.

[shadow wind]

2 sun Restricteds and only 1 rain one

[lofty tartan]

It'll be interesting to see what happens

[dense latch]

i’ve seen some streamers run hirofumi’s worlds team but av mirai over bolt

[rustic mountain]

yea but sun restricteds and most of their friends are cir food

[dense latch]

idk how good it may be but that’s where i’ve seen flutter outside of sun

[shadow wind]

This is incredibly true

[rustic mountain]

idt sun is good in reg i but well see

prolly jus cant be proto mon overload anymore

[dense latch]

korai csr seems like a decent pairing to me

[shadow wind]

I’m going to be running Sun till the day I die so I guess we’ll see

[rustic mountain]

yea its done well in some grassroots iirc

[left bobcat]

You look like Clifford

And Dora the explorer

[shadow wind]

Koraidon CSR is like Zama CSR just more HO

[lofty tartan]

Lmao Tree with limited data so far, Zama Uncrowned has higher usage data than Crowned

[shadow wind]

😭😭

[lofty tartan]

Wild times

[molten oasis]

Single strike is crazy good apparently

[rustic mountain]

no fuckin way where aha every zama ive played is crowned

i think single is better now

[molten oasis]

It has like 40% usage rate

[rustic mountain]

rapid feels not great on most teams

[shadow wind]

Yes

[lofty tartan]

Uncrowned is 5th and Crowned is 11th.

23.02 an 18.04 respectively.

[shadow wind]

Hits Zama and CSR

[rustic mountain]

atleast my current team i slotted urshi out i almost never brought it and it wasnt good wen i did

[shadow wind]

And people are greedy as balls and running offensive Tera’s instead of Tera fairy

[molten oasis]

Playing with zacogre I’ve never wanted to take shifu and kyogre

[rustic mountain]

this doesnt feel right haha but maybe im just not running into any

[dense latch]

pretty sure that’s bc some ppl choose to use zama uncrowned for the teamsheet but have the rusted shield as the item

[molten oasis]

Like, torn shifu and kyogre sharing the electric weakness with bolt sucks lol

[shadow wind]

That’s Bo1 though isn’t it?

[rustic mountain]

that seems like one of the teams ud want urshi rapid on

[molten oasis]

Plus idt you need shifu with kyogre for zacogre

[lofty tartan]

It's the only Reg I preview listing

[shadow wind]

So if Zama never comes it counts as uncrowned

[molten oasis]

It hasn’t felt good when I run it

Ik it seems that way but I’ve preferred other mons

[shadow wind]

It’s probably just a weird issue with the forms

[rustic mountain]

is this pikalytics?

[lofty tartan]

Well no I found a bo3. Uncrowned is even higher there lmfao

[shadow wind]

Munchstats

[lofty tartan]

4th

[rustic mountain]

that cant be right

[shadow wind]

Bizarre

[rustic mountain]

like genuinely i cant see that many uncrowned

[molten oasis]

Guys Pizza said that stats would be finicky for a bit

[lofty tartan]

Bo3

[molten oasis]

Every zama is crowned

[rustic mountain]

every zama ive played vs is crowned

[molten oasis]

Every Zac is crowned

[lofty tartan]

Not according to what people are saying on Reddit - people are running Uncrowned for Imprison vs Crowned lol

[shadow wind]

Pizza my goat would never make a faulty data site 🙏🙏🙏

[molten oasis]

It’s some issue with the mons with similar forms

[rustic mountain]

its gta be

[molten oasis]

That’s wild

[shadow wind]

It’s not terrible but it’s pretty terrible

[lofty tartan]

Like I'm not making it up because that's a nutso thing to do

[mint void]

u can just go crowned for that tho no?

[rustic mountain]

im not saying ur making it up

[lofty tartan]

Uncrowned is 3 points faster.

So they use it to gimp Crowned. Specifically.

It's not a good idea to run it, but early reg people are insane

[rustic mountain]

i just dont think that data is correct, i feel like it got skewed somehow. if it was like 8% uncrowned sure but 23% is wild

[molten oasis]

Huh, interesting

[rustic mountain]

unless we are all just dodging every uncrowned zama

[lofty tartan]

🤷

I don't think the uncrowned data is correct either but it's funny

[molten oasis]

I haven’t ran into one (I haven’t been playing and letting stuff flesh out a little bit)

[rustic mountain]

so ur take means nothing

[molten oasis]

Think it’ll help with the building process

[mint void]

might also just be a bug/false date since u can select uncrowned Zama in SD teambuilder and it will be Crowned in game as long as u give it the rusted shield

[rustic mountain]

yea

[molten oasis]

Ok when I played a couple days ago I only ran into crowned

[rustic mountain]

im thinkin its gta b something like that

[rustic mountain]

lmao fair

[molten oasis]

My take means something

[lofty tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/chaos-gif-26401569

[rustic mountain]

ive played like 50ish games not 1 so it is a small sample size but even despite that uncrowned that high is ludicrous

[molten oasis]

But yea I’m just kinda unsure what partner I go with zac so I wanna see how the format fleshes out so I can maybe pick something out

[vocal plume]

What's better for Urshifu R-S? Choice Band or scarf?

[lofty tartan]

Scarf

[molten oasis]

Generally scarf

[vocal plume]

Right ok.

[mint void]

Scarf is more used

[rustic mountain]

i feel like kyogre is easily the best partner

[spiral ridge]

Band has been seen more on darkshifu

[molten oasis]

I agree but I feel like your builder options slim down

I was really liking hearth shifu stuff with Zac reg g, I can’t do hearth as well on a rain team

[rustic mountain]

[lofty tartan]

Waterpon/Rockpon

[rustic mountain]

it opens a hell of a lot up for zacian

[molten oasis]

Wait waterpon could be gas

[rustic mountain]

[molten oasis]

It’s that or amoonguss

Which both are fine

[rustic mountain]

do a team with either

see which one works better

[vocal plume]

I'll post a couple of teams that I've made so far.

[molten oasis]

I also just don’t wanna feel forced into shifu, I like shifu but idt it’s needed personally

[vocal plume]

https://pokepast.es/8ff4d988d5d36a5d

[rustic mountain]

if its good its good and urshi rapid in rain is good

[molten oasis]

Yea but it feels like the only option at times

[lofty tartan]

Easy to slot Pao/Ursh in Kyogre/Zac rain stuff

[vocal plume]

https://pokepast.es/7c5ad4035eeb72f3

[rustic mountain]

yea and then torn + flex spot

[vocal plume]

These are just a couple

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/096579a41b8fa287 I’m playing this atm

I also feel you have to go scarf which has never felt good to me

[vocal plume]

As someone who doesn't have a Zacian I can't relate lol

[rustic mountain]

i think u gta focus more on the mons and wat they are doing instead of feeling boxed in to picking up certain no brainers. there is still diversity amongst moves, evs, teras etc that can differentiate ur team from any other

[molten oasis]

Idk it’s personal issues

If I went wellspring I wouldn’t run shifu tho

[rustic mountain]

nd u got like 4 protects on ur team scarf is fine especially in tailwind mirrors

[vocal plume]

Right that's two teams. I'm continue tomorrow

[rustic mountain]

id recommend focus sash on csr

has allowed me to play a lot more freely w/ it

just go tera ghost if u want a damage boost

[vocal plume]

That makes a lot more sense

[molten oasis]

:/, ig i can go shifu over hands pao amoonguss Zac is enough anti bolt/Mirai stuff

[rustic mountain]

hands seems ok for tr but its awkward positioning ur hands and shroom into tr and hands on tw usually want a bit of speed so u usually dont even outpace in tr and yea then it becomes trynna get shroom in under tr safely and them not having redirection in play as well and its just not a good game plan

ive played torn-shroom-kyogre-urshi-hands core so im familiar

[molten oasis]

I mean that’s kinda what I’m worried about is trick room

And adding a scarf Mon isn’t really helping

[rustic mountain]

what im saying is shroom hands is not reliable in tr especially hard tr where they just barrage u w/ damage

even worse now in dres

[molten oasis]

Yea

[rustic mountain]

ur kinda team either wants some way of stalling tr or just blows it up

[molten oasis]

I mean I feel like I just lead Zac+amoonguss or if they have incin kyogre

[rustic mountain]

nd u gta figure out which way u wanna lean into more

[molten oasis]

It is a bit early but I do feel like pao kyo Zac torn feels really strong

[rustic mountain]

like maybe u forgo sacred sword on zacian for sub

if u have pao why not just have that use it

u need double sacred?

[molten oasis]

I have scared on pao rn

There’s definitely more room for sub at least

[rustic mountain]

yea so y not try sub on zacian

seems kinda goated for tr

[molten oasis]

Plus my like into zama is taunting wide guard away so kyogre can spam

If they Tera I click play rough on it and it explodes

[rustic mountain]

go like zac-rilla-urshi-torn-pao-kyogre and see how that works. usually u want some kind of terrain override for mirai stuff anyway and it provides good value into e terrain tr stuff as well if ur gna go sub zacian route u need some way to keep it safe in tr if u cant stop it outright

[molten oasis]

Scarf yrsh also hella pressures CSR zama

K I’ll try that

Might go wellspring later tho if I need redirect

Rilla makes sense on the team

[rustic mountain]

try wellspring too

just throwing ideas ur way

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/7650f665fd6c0f7f

I’m gonna be honest redirection was feeling really nice with these 2

Imma try wellspring first cuz that could genuinely work with them

[rustic mountain]

again, its just testing it

ur not committing outright

[molten oasis]

I thought wellspring would be best ogerpon to pair with Zac

[rustic mountain]

maybe its worse or maybe its better

[molten oasis]

Yea im not committing to anything yet

It’s too early to do that as well

[rustic mountain]

yea def

i jus mean like

u hav it in ur head already on oh this has been good already and potentially already downplaying the value of another variation

gta b open to playing in different ways if it means optimizing ur teams success

[vocal plume]

My plan is to use a bunch of CSR combos and then Korai combos

[rustic mountain]

yea im on the csr/zama train atm

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/055e047f585c843c

[rustic mountain]

not sure wat imma jump to next

[molten oasis]

I’m more looking into what fits best for me which will tske some time

Definitely doing pao Zac ogre at least that feels strong

[forest arrow]

Korai til the end baby

[vocal plume]

Korai was the reason I got Scarlet over Violet

[forest arrow]

I got the double pack but it’s definitely the reason why I main scarlet

[vocal plume]

I love Korai. Kinda want to force him somewhere

[forest arrow]

You aren’t forcing it anywhere, it’s goated, I’m really enjoying it with Lunala but you could also pair it with like CSR

Pairing it with CIR will be my own side project but I don’t see those two working to well together

[vocal plume]

I was thinking CSR and Korai.

Lunala could be another one I try

[forest arrow]

Definitely a good duo

[vocal plume]

I'm trialing at the moment tho. Gonna continue tomorrow

[forest arrow]

Yeah for sure I can slide you a korai Lunala team if you want

[vocal plume]

That would be great

[forest arrow]

https://pokepast.es/80c69d6866a9f050

Good luck soldier

[vocal plume]

Flame Charge on Korai shocks me a bit

[forest arrow]

It’s to good. You can definitely try a breaking swipe variant with adamant, but flame charge goes hard

Especially when you pressure a fo with incin and they double protect, that’s a free charge into incin,

[left bobcat]

T th the

U u u uh

[forest arrow]

Neat tech into CSR

[rustic mountain]

we smokin on that korai pack so im glad u brought the sun

[left bobcat]

Yeah we take those

[forest arrow]

[rustic mountain]

75% gxe top 100

love early formats lmao

[molten oasis]

Nice

[rustic mountain]

scarf mirai seems to b picking up now that u dont need to be the main damage threat

[molten oasis]

Interesting

[rustic mountain]

idk if itll stick but atleast atm

something to consider wen ur vsing it

[dense latch]

maybe i should’ve started laddering reg i earlier for the funny screenshot lol

[rustic mountain]

haha

still got time

top 100 is only 1370s atm

[dense latch]

i just dont wanna burn myself out super quickly lol

[rustic mountain]

u do u

reg g 2 sucks tho so im out

[dense latch]

i tried to push for that early rank 1 in reg g for some reason and played way too much

[rustic mountain]

happens

jus take time off if u need it

[molten oasis]

I’ve won every game with tornogre lmao

Zac unfortunately hasn’t gotten to do anything

[left bobcat]

Let it

[molten oasis]

Yo sub uh, sub Zac kinda popped off

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2333883515

[lost sun]

spiky shield doesn't do damage to urshifu right

[molten oasis]

Nope

It ignores protect

Which also include spiky shield and burning bulwark

Almost fumbled that endgame lol

[rustic mountain]

nice

only real blatant misplay to me was not just double tapping hydrapple w/ spout and bb, cir is 100% gna protect there and if it doesnt wat is it gna do?

[molten oasis]

I fumbled endgame I needed to click ice beam but like, what was the Hydrapple doing anyway

[rustic mountain]

what was csr doing hydrapple koed ur kyogre haha

[molten oasis]

I know, that was almost bad

[rustic mountain]

like sure u couldve won that in a bunch of ways but optimizing ur plays in those kind of games makes u think that way no matter the circumstance

[molten oasis]

Yea fs

[rustic mountain]

building good habits

[molten oasis]

Also I’m going shifu, I legit don’t take wellspring to anything lol

[rustic mountain]

lmao

[molten oasis]

And zama CSR mu is getting a bit annoying

[rustic mountain]

[molten oasis]

Like I have a line into it with taunting zama

But if they lead pao im really gambling on them not protecting or killing torn t1

Shifu kyogre might pressure a lot better

Even pao shifu

[rustic mountain]

pao w/ zama is so reg g

🥱

thx id rather not make my defense boost neutral

[molten oasis]

You can go Psyshock on CSR then pao boosts its damage

Lmao fair

[rustic mountain]

i love pao but i dont miss it at all i feel like

[molten oasis]

I’m gonna expect it for a little bit tho

[rustic mountain]

it was different wen zama was the lone restricted

[molten oasis]

A lot of people are running what did work last reg

[rustic mountain]

yea u should

im jus sayin for me as some1 running zama dont think pao is it. especially cuz im sash csr

[molten oasis]

Yea that’s valid

This does feel good like, if sub continues to feel good this might be a really solid core

[rustic mountain]

ur welcome

[molten oasis]

Sub kinda helps with intim cycling

Like I’m just gonna expect Zac to lose it’s boost into incin unless it’s dead

[rustic mountain]

eh depends on ur position pshot goes thru sub so depends how much ur threatening them

[molten oasis]

Right pshot does that

[rustic mountain]

yep sound based move

incin the perfect zacian counter 😍

[molten oasis]

Shut up lmao

That’s what the whale is for

[rustic mountain]

thats what tera grass is for, only need 1 p shot to put that board out of position

[molten oasis]

Did test Mirai, which also nuked incin but I feel like I just kinda suck with Mirai lol. Lunala also hates incin after meteor beam goes off

[molten oasis]

Torn hurricane

[rustic mountain]

well yea post tera sure but i already p shotted out plus id never lead incin into kyogre

[molten oasis]

Noted

[rustic mountain]

lead incin into drago now

[molten oasis]

leave Zac in the back

(I have to do this most games anyway)

[rustic mountain]

i think i am undefeated vs swordfish atm

maybe lost to 1 on my old variant

[molten oasis]

that mu’s hard

[rustic mountain]

zama csr?

[molten oasis]

Ye

[rustic mountain]

yea

im seeing kyoges running pump now

[molten oasis]

I think it makes sense

Kyogre can’t do anything to zam if it’s spamming wide guard

I was running amoonguss for it

But like, the guy gets nuked by CSR

I’ll figure it out but I think it’s gonna be a hard mu for it no matter what

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 146: Moltres-Galar

Types

Dark/Flying

Abilities

Berserk

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

90/85/90/100/125/90

Total

580

Base Species

Moltres

Sableye version 4.28.1

[molten oasis]

[solid frigate]

i dont think i ever bring Ogerpon and Comfey into my matches

i have to change something

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/40fffe93bbec8ea5 I might be hella coping but like, maybe this could be ok

[rustic mountain]

ice beam and thunder are negligible

[molten oasis]

Yea

[rustic mountain]

question is do u opt out of spout or pulse or do u just go 3 water

[rustic mountain]

i think goltres sucks

[molten oasis]

I mean I said I was coping

[rustic mountain]

drago: i cant only use good mons

[molten oasis]

Dude cmon

[rustic mountain]

[molten oasis]

It’s an idea, I’m brainstorming

It’s relatively bulky and resists CSR while not being inherently weak to zama

Jugulis would prob also work it’s just a lot frailer

[rustic mountain]

doesnt really do anything in return tho either

[foggy lodge]

Hmm

I mean you can force teras or wide guard on Zama

But against CSR Zama yeah it lowkey doesn't do anything

btw I think CSR is gonna start to run shadow ball lol

[molten oasis]

That’s why I have dark pulse, threatens CSR while not dealing with wide guard and

Pressures Tera for zacian

Pao does all of this by itself huh

[rustic mountain]

ive considered it but w/ as many tera normal csr as there are it feels meh, nasty plot is great in certain spots and u can play around wide guard generally

[rustic mountain]

most will just protect to scout, reposition or tera anyway tho

[molten oasis]

Yea pao just, kinda does that anyway

And threatens damage

[rustic mountain]

also non prankster tw feels even worse then it does in reg g

[molten oasis]

Yea, maybe not

[rustic mountain]

u lose a turn the turn u set it

[molten oasis]

Could be fun as a goof off bo1 thing

[rustic mountain]

u might catch some ppl

[molten oasis]

Ye

Also, I’m gonna look for something niche, it probably won’t happen but I still find it fun

[left bobcat]

Yeah you have to

You HAVE to find it so we can all copy and paste

[molten oasis]

Bruh

Guys hear me out kingdra

[rustic mountain]

[foggy lodge]

No

[rustic mountain]

drago

kingdra wasnt even good in reg h

[foggy lodge]

Only Wolfey made it work

[rustic mountain]

right and its wolfey

also 1400s now 76% gxe

[left bobcat]

No

[left bobcat]

Alright so you made 1,400 elo let’s make it to 2,000 elo

[solid frigate]

i feel like 67% GXE and 1307 is not enough

[dense latch]

nicee

what duo are you running tree

[foggy lodge]

https://pokepast.es/990ea906582f7575

I think the core of CSR Zama Rilla Pao is probably the best atm

Maybe Amoonguss over Rilla but Rilla is better into Miraidon and I prefer that

Not too convinced in the last two slots

Maybe I could make a role compression with Hearthflame hm

[rustic mountain]

u first

[rustic mountain]

csr/zama

[rustic mountain]

solid record

all that matters is if ur improving

[solid frigate]

i don't think its enough+I never bring Ogerpon and Comfey in my team

[rustic mountain]

so then make sure u do better

and switch up the dead slots

[solid frigate]

its basically just

Roarin Moon Lando/Kyogre leads

Comfey gets out and Ogerpon is good but like a lot of teams rn aren't favouring Cornerstone despite its the best one cvurrently

[rustic mountain]

might b worth thinkin of other partners then

ogerpon feels kinda bad in a meta where spread moves are everywhere

redirection is still solid but idt its as good as it was w/ reg g protect the king style

they are more then that but also their damage becomes less impactful now that teams can have 2 broken mons

[solid frigate]

Creph recommend me Fari and Urshifu cuz my whole gameplan revolves around AV Kyogre

so i can't use Hands

[fringe fossil]

Holy kyogre is annoying to find. I've been doing dynamax adventures for like 3 hrs

[spiral ridge]

It’s a version exclusive I think

[fringe fossil]

huh

NO WAY

IVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 3 HOURS FOR NOTHINGN

ITS A SHIELD EXCLUSIVE

AAAAAAAGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[next stump]

do you have switch online?

someone with a kyogre path can share with you

[fringe fossil]

wait thats a fire idea

[spiral ridge]

Yup it’s like BBQ

[fringe fossil]

I lowkey might just replay ultra moon tho bc I need a litten too and im trying to do it as single player as possible

[spiral ridge]

Do you own SV?

[fringe fossil]

the only thing I really HAVE to trade is flutter mane bc i only have violet

[fringe fossil]

yea but not the dlc

[spiral ridge]

Ah ic

[solid frigate]

F

i don't even have SWSH

[fringe fossil]

yea i just bought the dlc for swsh thinking I could get kyogre and regirock but i didnt realize itd have exclusives. its fine tho ill have access to urshifu and calyrex now

[molten oasis]

I was joking about kingdra

@rustic mountain

[rustic mountain]

sure u were

[molten oasis]

Kingdra sucks dude lol

[rustic mountain]

hahah

[molten oasis]

I’d just use wake

[rustic mountain]

a lot of better options

[molten oasis]

Tbh Zacian still gonna struggle at times, kyogre be like, the main guy of that duo

But if something comes up maybe

[solid frigate]

tree i asked your opinion on my tteam in dms btw

[rustic mountain]

uhhh ok ill check it out at some point

[rustic mountain]

every restricted is gna struggle

gta just find ways to make it as consistent as possible

top 50

[molten oasis]

Fair

[left bobcat]

No u

[torn parrot]

Hi

[astral kelp]

Hallo

[chrome knot]

haitree

[solid frigate]

hoi

[foggy lodge]

https://pokepast.es/31b4a5aa44f52267

[solid frigate]

the most ass lead i ever done

[molten oasis]

Gross

[solid frigate]

bro is not cooking-

[cyan smelt]

Ho oh koraidon would struggle with Zac ogre

[foggy lodge]

Don't play Ho-Oh Koraidon

2 physical restricteds is probably the worst combo lol

Unelss is something with Zama i guess

[cyan smelt]

Ho oh just seems awkward tbh

[forest arrow]

It’s bait

Don’t do it

[foggy lodge]

I think Ho-Oh could actually have a niche but like

Eh

It's better with a special attack restricted

[forest arrow]

Most definitely and theirs just other fire types you want on your team

[foggy lodge]

Its good into koraidon decent into CIR CSR and Groudon

[forest arrow]

Chi Yu Incin heatran

Entei hearthflame

[foggy lodge]

Its good into most physical restricteds cuz sacred fire fish burn lol

And it actually hits super effective into most of them

But also is like it loses to most of the restricteds they are used with

Lunala Miraidon and Kyogre obliterate it

[molten oasis]

It sure does

They are also playing fairy Tera

So I get to click bblade and it explodes

[forest arrow]

Fairy ho oh?

[molten oasis]

The couple I’ve seen have been fairy

[forest arrow]

Interesting

You would think like grass or water

[foggy lodge]

It is to not die to Miraidon I guess

[solid frigate]

seen people use Grass to resist miraidon but like

[forest arrow]

Oh true

[solid frigate]

why would you run Ho-Oh

[forest arrow]

I wouldn’t

[foggy lodge]

Nah Ho-Oh has to find a niche

[forest arrow]

To each their own it’s got a niche

[foggy lodge]

I don't think is just shitmon restricted is explorable

But idk

[solid frigate]

again,Koraidon has better partners than that

[molten oasis]

I do think ho-oh lowkey sucks lol

But maybe it’s okay with like, groudon

Or korai ig

[foggy lodge]

Nah its worse

[solid frigate]

fair enough

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/PokeDuelsTikTok/status/1907266568301801487

PokeDuels (@PokeDuelsTikTok) on X

it's easier to be good at TCG than it is to be good at VGC

VGC has a ridiculous barrier to entry that makes most people give up before they even start

X · Apr 2, 2025, 2:59 AM

Homie was not able to complete the game lmfao

[cyan smelt]

If he's on tiktok he probably has a short attention span

[next stump]

it is a little bonkers how many hours it takes to play VGC at a competitive level for real life events

I mean we are talking bareeeeee minimum probably 40-50 hour commitment to get your first team ready from scratch

[solid frigate]

as a newer player who starts at reg F,Its hard

Im only considered myself good in Reg H

[cyan smelt]

Takes so long to build a team in game too

[solid frigate]

i think my Teambuilding is less of an issue

its how i think about my plays

[cyan smelt]

Remind me to try less stupid gimmicks

[solid frigate]

yeah you need to try conventional stuff

my reg I team is just pretty basic

[cyan smelt]

Solgaleo was only good with dynamax

[solid frigate]

my team is just all revolve around the Assault Vest Kyogre

Yes not Miraidon,but Kyogre

[cyan smelt]

Support miraidon?

[solid frigate]

not really its still offensive

Its just Miraidon also Enables Kyogre

[left bobcat]

IZZO

[cyan smelt]

I need that game

[atomic mural]

me too

[cyan smelt]

I just want to smash shit

[pine lotus]

Is it possible to make Armarouge and Ceruledge competitively viable? I caught two shiny Charadets when the mass outbreaks were happening and was hoping to do something with them

[solid frigate]

you are like ummmmmm

1.5 years late

[pine lotus]

damn...

[solid frigate]

singles or doubles tho

[pine lotus]

my friend and I only do doubles

[solid frigate]

ok yeah you kinda late

Right now its Restricted format

You can Bring One Box Art Legendary(Or 2 if you are playing next month)

[pine lotus]

Theyre legendaries?

[foggy lodge]

You could grab this team https://pokepast.es/41d4a248f16adf5a

Its not very good for the meta rn but its the best we can do

Or hard TR with Armarouge

[fluid fiber]

Messing around with Reg I: Hard Troom? https://pokepast.es/fad7d1a841194c8c

[solid frigate]

Arma and Ceru aren’t legendaries-

[foggy lodge]

Don't play Blizzard Dialga

[pine lotus]

Sorry I misunderstood the statement 😅

[fluid fiber]

Oh i forgot that was there, was thinking of having snow lmao

Went away from that idea

[foggy lodge]

It would be still unnecesary when you already have a stronger spread iceove

[solid frigate]

just use Draco,Flash Cannon,EP/TR,TR/Protect

[fluid fiber]

Oh for sure

[foggy lodge]

Tho I would just drop the Lilligant mode and go full TR

[next stump]

cool team concept

[foggy lodge]

I think Lilligant's time has already passed

[next stump]

yeah just do smeargle in that slot

[foggy lodge]

Also the CIR spread is weird

For a hard TR team

Annihilape could be a cool speed tech if you want a kind of fast mode for the team

[fluid fiber]

Thats what I was just thinking actually - I just like Lilligant so I usually start with it and then adapt lol. The team was kind of teetering between a Twind/room team which is why I had the spread on CIR, but Dialga makes it more hard TR

I liked Lilligant in reg g but I is too tough for it lol

I'm probably gonna try to grind this last month of Reg G before Terapagos goes into the gutter though

I love that mon sm

[astral kelp]

the fact that scovillain outspeeds csr is actually kinda good lmfao

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2334059464

like hsahahahah

he shouldve just switched

[left bobcat]

Wahshahppppfffffffffff

[tiny karma]

Move: Tail Glow

Raises the user's Special Attack by 3 stages.

Type

Bug

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

20 (32)

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Snatch

Affected by Snatch.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[left bobcat]

Ngl I wasn’t expecting to see that

[astral kelp]

wtf thats crazy

[left bobcat]

I’m impressed ☝️ 🤓

[astral kelp]

bro baton passed

AHAHAH

those are definitevly stats

i always felt like volbeat could use an evolution

and illumise

also gen 2

the entire gen 2 pretty much lmao

a good 60% of mons in that gen could use an evo

[next stump]

those things were half decent in Reg D

they got a regional top cut

[balmy glen]

What’s your guys favorite mons songs to play when battling on cart im writing options down since they always force me to play music on stream lmao

[dense latch]

vs champion kieran

and kitakami wild pokemon

[molten oasis]

Ruinous Legends, Vs Geeta, Loyal 3, Professor theme

[dense latch]

academy ace tournament is one i really like too

[left bobcat]

Yeah you get to battle those PEOPLE

[shadow wind]

How does Psyshock work with sword of ruin?

[molten oasis]

psyshock increases damage

it lowers defense and psyshock uses the defense stat

[left bobcat]

Oof

[molten oasis]

i remember that being the case when moxie was running mewtwo and pao, psystrike acts the same way

[rustic mountain]

ruin legend theme or the default, havent messed w. much else tbh

[left bobcat]

Because you didn’t eat fried chicken

[molten oasis]

ruin legend theme goes hard

[left bobcat]

Ahhhhh FRIED CHICKEN 😫

[shadow wind]

Ok that's what I thought

[left bobcat]

Gen 5 low health theme better

[molten oasis]

true

[left bobcat]

Very much true

[shadow wind]

Kinda funny how Ho oh is good into Zama CSR

[cyan smelt]

But rubbish into Mirai ogre

Or anything with rockpon

[shadow wind]

Yeah 😔

[cyan smelt]

Just use Moltres, then you're not taking up a restricted slot

[shadow wind]

Love to see it

[shadow wind]

Moltres ain't got that 156 spdef

[cyan smelt]

Tanky boi

Moltres has flame body

[shadow wind]

Behind light screen granted

85 spdef is not living astral barrage

He's probably bad though

But I just find the MU funny

[cyan smelt]

Ho oh is good into Zama, csr, Groudon and koraidon but bad into other things

[lost sun]

that's half of my reg I team

[shadow wind]

Regenerator could pair well with intimidate

[cyan smelt]

We need to revive ho oh and ting lu

[lost sun]

struggled against a zacian and smth else I forgot anything I could swap for it

[cyan smelt]

Zacian is usually tera water isn't it, just force it to tera then electro drift

[forest arrow]

Some are Tera ground

[lost sun]

ye but hard to do with no fire or ground moves

[cyan smelt]

You wouldn't want fire on a rain team anyway

Oh right tera ground zacian OFC I played that at Brisbane

[shadow wind]

Man there's a lot of Zackyogre

[cyan smelt]

Not good

[chrome knot]

sanrio team ^-^

[molten oasis]

Eleki? That’s neat

[chrome knot]

just a team I took off limitless to play the game

[molten oasis]

valid

[shadow wind]

You're telling me that tbolt did 44 and draco did 50??

[charred saddle]

prob high roll tbolt, low roll draco

[shadow wind]

Even if that's a max roll tbolt, draco should never do 50

[chrome knot]

goobed i fear

[shadow wind]

😔

[cyan smelt]

Is grimmsnarl good

[shadow wind]

Very

[cyan smelt]

Hmmm might need to replace Indeedee then

I'll see

[rustic mountain]

r u throwdat on sd?

[rustic mountain]

its solid

[rustic mountain]

was misty terrain up?

[shadow wind]

Nope

[rustic mountain]

[shadow wind]

Like I legit have no idea how that happened

Nothing else on the field even changed

[rustic mountain]

weirdge

[shadow wind]

Yeah

[rustic mountain]

wat r u pairing w/ groudon

[shadow wind]

Ho oh

[rustic mountain]

[shadow wind]

Just seeing if it works currently

[rustic mountain]

hows it been going

[shadow wind]

Honestly pretty good

Just really hate Kyogre

[rustic mountain]

yea i bet lol

ur doin bo1 or bo3

[shadow wind]

But I like the synergy Ho oh and Groudon have

Bo3

[rustic mountain]

was gna say havent seen u on the bo1 ladder

[shadow wind]

Yeah nah

I'm learning what people wanna run BEFORE I get smoked by it

[rustic mountain]

lol

[shadow wind]

I'm literally just working on the Kyogre MU

Everything else is pretty good

[molten oasis]

bolt

[shadow wind]

Right cause there will never be another pokemon on the field

[rustic mountain]

bolt cant do it on its own tho yea

or jus swapping

[shadow wind]

Especially when they're pairing it with Zac

I'm also already using bolt

I'm so desperate for an answer

Ogerpon (F) @ Choice Band
Ability: Defiant
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Ivy Cudgel
• Superpower
• Throat Chop
• U-turn

Got me running the wildest things

[rustic mountain]

[molten oasis]

banded ogerpon is wild

[shadow wind]

This is an elite level of copium

[rustic mountain]

i can see

hardest mu for me prolly the mirror

[shadow wind]

Yeah I could see that

Ho oh is crazy into Zama CSR

[rustic mountain]

oh i finally played vs uncrowned zama

[molten oasis]

did you win?

[rustic mountain]

ofc

[molten oasis]

did it do much?

[rustic mountain]

imprisoned my zama for 1 turn

[shadow wind]

Then did it explode?

[rustic mountain]

yea i jus chipped it down by t2 and koed it

[shadow wind]

Epic

[foggy lodge]

Why were people cooking with imprison Zama

[shadow wind]

How much am I about to take !

[molten oasis]

lmao

[foggy lodge]

I don't see what's supposed to be good about it

[molten oasis]

im glad to see a non crowned zama, im gonna nuke you with play rough

[foggy lodge]

You get walled by a ghost or lose wide guard or lose the protect

[molten oasis]

then it'll miss

[rustic mountain]

early meta shit

[molten oasis]

im seeing people on the single strike train a little more

[molten oasis]

but i also feel like tera fairy gonna be everywhere

[foggy lodge]

This week is the VR

[shadow wind]

Bro killed his own Caly just to not kill anything

[foggy lodge]

We'll see the trends there

[rustic mountain]

single strike has def gone up

rapid def still around tho

[molten oasis]

wonder if its just early stuff

fairy tera is reletively common and theres a bunch of good dark types

[foggy lodge]

Its cuz Lunala and CSR are a pain in the neck for most teams

[shadow wind]

Reshiram spotted

[foggy lodge]

Its like with CSR early reg G meta where people would just put a lot of resists to it

But its interesting

[molten oasis]

thats valid

[rustic mountain]

im not sure but im heavily considering it to help w/ the mirror

[foggy lodge]

This format isn't too different from reg G and in the end CSR is still like at the top of the food chain if you get me

[molten oasis]

i like single strike

[foggy lodge]

Alongside Miraidon

I don't think even CIR is up there

[molten oasis]

nah

CIR doesn't pair with that much stuff tbh

its like kyogre or mirai

but tbh i feel like mirai is all it would need once people figure it out

[rustic mountain]

yea its jus tough cuz i took urshi rapid strike out for clef to help w/ the cir/mirai mu but now the mirror is kinda weird so im considering swapping that back out for urshi single lol

might jus have to rethink the mirai/cir mu in a different way

[molten oasis]

yea fs

[foggy lodge]

Chien-Pao is the best I could come up with

So far is the mon that carries my CIR Mirai MU

Alongside Chi-Yu

[molten oasis]

idt single strike really fits with zacian stuff tho, unless you go sun cuz otherwise you need anti incin and single strike isnt great anti incin material

[rustic mountain]

nah i dont see it

[molten oasis]

probably staying on the rapid strike train

[rustic mountain]

yea

[foggy lodge]

Its just crazy cuz you volt switch while setting TR or something and you can get another TR sweeper like Hands

[molten oasis]

plus pao is good

pao works on like everything with zac

[shadow wind]

What the heck

[molten oasis]

woah

that move hit, crazy

[shadow wind]

Who tera fires there

[molten oasis]

dumb people

[shadow wind]

I was in tw

Clearly

Huzzah !

[foggy lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-maushold-terastalize-pokemon-my-beloved-gif-27334398

Repost to scare that Zama

[shadow wind]

Their Caly set isn't much better

[foggy lodge]

Disable😭

Bud doesn't want its opponents to even have moves

[shadow wind]

Guys I lost to the Zama uncrowned guy 😭

Life orb body press did 30% to ho oh

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 250: Ho-Oh

Types

Fire/Flying

Abilities

Pressure, Regenerator (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

106/130/90/110/154/90

Total

680

Sableye version 4.28.1

[shadow wind]

If only his spatk and def were swapped

[molten oasis]

real

[shadow wind]

Would be so goated

But nah, 110 spatk

[strange fjord]

yoo, hows everyone enjoying reg i, any silly teams?

[shadow wind]

No room for funnies 😔

Ok this mon is lowkey cooking

[vocal plume]

I mean it's ho-oh Vs Caly-Ice

[shadow wind]

You saying that like that's a fair fight

You know how little CIR cares about a neutral hit

Especially when Ho oh has 90 defense

[vocal plume]

Yeah CIR couldn't give lol

I know that first hand 💀

[shadow wind]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regibo3-2334187644-0511a8iq37ji6ennnxtxf4n2119l3c5pw

Generation performance from Groudon

[vocal plume]

I'm might try some bo3

Only done bo1 so far

[shadow wind]

After that game I went on to win the set

I prefer Bo3

Bro took it like a champ

[vocal plume]

I feel like in bo3 you can learn more about teams

[shadow wind]

Yeah you can

[cyan smelt]

i should prolly play bo3 with my team but i'm worried it's not a good team

i guess that's what bo3 is for, testing what works and what doesn't

[vocal plume]

That's what I was thinking

[lost sun]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2334206831

ik for a fact this guy was raging at encore

[real prairie]

Well its confirmed now, I won't be able to make it to another regional before worlds 😭

[cyan smelt]

Unfortunate

No euic?

[real prairie]

EUIC already come and gone

[cyan smelt]

Oh

[real prairie]

missed it because of my Dads wedding

[cyan smelt]

Maybe enter some online tournaments instead then

I'm shuddering to think how toxic online battles are about to become with gamechat

[real prairie]

think Gamechat only works if you have them as a Nintendo friend

[cyan smelt]

I sure hope so because I don't want kids using slurs

[mighty stump]

GameChat is a pointless feature for me personally - I always turn off comms lmaoo

[swift sleet]

Anyone wanna 1v1 I wanna see if my team is good

[vocal plume]

Every online match is just a Modern Warfare 2 lobby

[cyan smelt]

Knowing gamefreak they won't be able to even program gamechat

[astral kelp]

why would youse use necrozma over lunala im trying to think of a reasonable excuse to ball necrozma

better in hard tr?

[tiny karma]

Move: Moonlight

The user restores 1/2 of its maximum HP if Delta Stream or no weather conditions are in effect or if the user is holding Utility Umbrella, 2/3 of its maximum HP if the weather is Desolate Land or Sunny Day, and 1/4 of its maximum HP if the weather is Primordial Sea, Rain Dance, Sandstorm, or Snow, all rounded half down.

Type

Fairy

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Heal

Cannot be selected under Heal Block.

Snatch

Affected by Snatch.

Sableye version 4.28.1

Move: Morning Sun

The user restores 1/2 of its maximum HP if Delta Stream or no weather conditions are in effect or if the user is holding Utility Umbrella, 2/3 of its maximum HP if the weather is Desolate Land or Sunny Day, and 1/4 of its maximum HP if the weather is Primordial Sea, Rain Dance, Sandstorm, or Snow, all rounded half down.

Type

Normal

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

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Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Heal

Cannot be selected under Heal Block.

Snatch

Affected by Snatch.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[cyan smelt]

Photon geyser mainly

[astral kelp]

bro thoser 2 are the same move

[mighty stump]

Keep in mind you need to be even more efficient with your turns/slots/moves now lol

[real prairie]

whos the best Terapagos killer?

[astral kelp]

ūrshifu?

[real prairie]

this should have been Rain boosted instead of Sun

[astral kelp]

oh ehh thats true ig

[astral kelp]

why are there 2 moves that do the same shit im like astounded lmao

[vocal plume]

I'm still not 100% on which tera types to put on mons

[astral kelp]

youd imagine they are opposites

[astral kelp]

just go on munchstats

[cyan smelt]

What's your team Jimbo?

[vocal plume]

Korai, Lunala, Flutter, Oger-Hearth, Incine, Rilla

Kinda want to try out Ursaluna-Bloodmoon with Indeedee

And get a Trick Room team set up

Again, still experimenting

[cyan smelt]

Koraidon fire, lunala fairy, flutter fairy or normal, incin ghost and rilla fire

[vocal plume]

K

[cyan smelt]

Blursa would be normal and indeedee fairy I think

[vocal plume]

K

I'll trial them later today and tomorrow

[cyan smelt]

If you want tr you should use urshifu so they can't protect to stall tr

[vocal plume]

I was considering Urshifu R-S

But I think S-S Urshifu might be better

[cyan smelt]

In sun it's not so good, better off with single strike

[vocal plume]

Yeah

[real prairie]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2334266570

[turbid vale]

adamant or jolly nature for heartflame ogrepon

[left bobcat]

Yes my glorious king

[charred saddle]

depends on ur need, theres also been like almost max bulk firepon with impish nature

[left bobcat]

Uh what?

STOP THE LIES ITS ALL LIES

[bold geode]

Since San Antonio friending it's what won

[cyan smelt]

i love precipice blades

[vocal plume]

That's Groudon's sig move no

[cyan smelt]

yes

i don't even need to think lol i'm just clicking buttons, i love tailroom

unfortunately ogerpon hearthflame can't ohko terapagos from full

[vocal plume]

Tailroom? What tailwind x TR collab is this

[cyan smelt]

i have a tailwind mode with roaring moon and groudon but most of my mons can function in tr too

[vocal plume]

Oh right

[cyan smelt]

gives more flexibility

[vocal plume]

Yeah that makes sense

[cyan smelt]

i could also consider iron moth for the tailwind mode instead of ogerpon

i wanna know why people are using munkidori now

[vocal plume]

He's a natural fake out user

That's one reason

[cyan smelt]

yeah fake out, parting shot and frisk but he's made of paper

[vocal plume]

Protect

Generally carries a sitrus berry as well

[cyan smelt]

sash surely, berries are no good with the horses

[vocal plume]

Sash is only useful if it gets OHKO'd

Sitrus gives Mukidori better survivability in the sense of the ability to just use Fake Out, poison the target, and then Parting Shot next turn

Can also be used with Rillaboom to boost that healing process

[cyan smelt]

it has frisk though not toxic chain, and sitrus is no good with the horses' abilities

[vocal plume]

Oh you talking about against Caly

Mb

Astral Barrage fucks it up as well

[cyan smelt]

even neutral expanding force

[vocal plume]

Sorry for the language but it's the truth lol

[cyan smelt]

nah it's true

[vocal plume]

I can only assume that it is potentially used with Rillaboom and Grassy Terrain but even still, if Miraidon comes out and shuts down Grassy with Electric terrain, Munkidori becomes useless again

[cyan smelt]

it still has fake out ig

can be used with incin for double fake out

[cyan smelt]

i keep seeing munkidori on terapagos comps

it must just be fast fake out

[vocal plume]

Yeah probs

[real prairie]

that was painful but wins a win https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2334313491-y4mtjej2qetce6r35nlva02n7oqid8epw

[real prairie]

i love Ludicolo for that reason, not many faster fakeout mons

none with Swift swim

[cyan smelt]

faster encore too

[real prairie]

I can't believe i used all of Reg G using Specs Ludicolo lol

[cyan smelt]

what are you using now

[real prairie]

https://pokepast.es/6a6f3ca236135053

[cyan smelt]

mirror herb and imprison caly-i is such cool tech

[real prairie]

ludicolo is Def squishy, infront of Zama it gets that nice +1 def

[cyan smelt]

1.5 attack in front of zacian lmao

[real prairie]

haha them fake outs gonna sting like a mosqitto bite 🤣

[solid frigate]

problem with Terapagos in Reg I is that

The only good partners are just Zacian and Lunala and I don’t see them run Fast Fake out (unless you talk about Reg G)

[real prairie]

Ive seen a few other partners, trying to remember who

[solid frigate]

i just run Tang Core with Pagos Zacian

[real prairie]

zamazenta i think

[solid frigate]

screw Regidrago compe

[sharp cobalt]

Tango

[solid frigate]

Feels like a Miraidon food

[sharp cobalt]

or what's tang core?

[real prairie]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2334320780-g0tjxuu14i6itmen8hxweu079n6uinkpw

Fun stuff

[solid frigate]

Urshifu,Hearthflame,Landorus Roaring Moon

amoonguss and CIR are here but i removed them in favour of Pagos Zacian for Double res

But thats not my main team

[sharp cobalt]

Why's it called TANG?

[spiral ridge]

Last name of people who made team

[astral kelp]

when i run tera fairy flutter i literally never press it

ive been running tera normal its quite nice

[solid frigate]

its suppose for Damage

and getting neutral From CSR cuz Flutter can survive one Astral Batrage

[astral kelp]

flutter is sooo good into csr

[astral kelp]

yeah i get that but i feel like they do enough damage

id rather tera my restricted or tera ghost to dodge fake out or something

[solid frigate]

what set are you running anyway

[astral kelp]

bulky mane

i should prolly put the def into hp

usually i go protect not taunt dw

[solid frigate]

Thats not bulky

At all.

[astral kelp]

I mean

I stead of 252 speed lol

8 don't get the point of 252 speed flutrermane

[sharp cobalt]

[astral kelp]

unless youre sash

dude why tf do i not have points in hp

what am i doing

[solid frigate]

Flutter Mane @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 156 HP / 124 Def / 100 SpA / 4 SpD / 124 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Moonblast
• Icy Wind
• Shadow Ball
• Protect

[astral kelp]

yeah thats bulky lol

[solid frigate]

yeah-

no Booster flutters run No HP

or Max SpA

[astral kelp]

why not run max spa on booster?

[solid frigate]

because you need Bulk for Support

just run Sash if you want Max SpA

[astral kelp]

what if you want max spa and have no sun?

[solid frigate]

Just don’t.

At this point just don’t run it.

[astral kelp]

god but flutter is so fast

[solid frigate]

Booster Speed Boost by 1.5x Speed

[astral kelp]

i guess ill try tankier with taunt

i really like having taunt on my teams

usually i give it to shifu but since this is a sun team

[vocal plume]

I just go full speed, full SpA with Booster (even though booster improves my Flutter's SpD)

[astral kelp]

huh??? how is it boosted spd if youre full speed

[solid frigate]

my reaction towards this spread

[astral kelp]

running any more than 124+ is suuuch a waste

what would you run insead of the shitass lion\