competitive_discussion

[vocal plume]

That is one of the luckiest burns I've ever seen

[real prairie]

i got the least common answer on 2

[lost sun]

I thought delphox was the only one when I did it

[carmine flame]

caly ice trickroom, amoonguss, urshifu rapid, roaring moon, ogerpon hearthflame, landorus. very common caly ice set just some tweaked movesets and evs

[lost sun]

idk much about trickroom but Ur team seems too fast for it

[carmine flame]

the trickroom is circumstancial

i have tailwind on roaring moon

[lost sun]

isn't moon more of a tw setter than anything

[carmine flame]

yeah

[lost sun]

I think it's better just to focus on 1

cus Ur always gonna have cir and then the rest other than guss gonna be moving last in tr

but if u have tw up Ur cir ain't gonna be going first or 2nd

[carmine flame]

ive found that the speed control isnt really the issue with the team, i just dont really have a way to touch caly shadow. there have been games where i sweep the rest of the team and cant get rid of caly shadow

[lost sun]

1 sec

[real prairie]

What Moa is building is called "Tailroom"

[lost sun]

would king gambit work in this

[next stump]

knock off threatens CSR into a tera, Urshifu-water can deal pretty solid damage and landorus with sandsear (with tailwind support) can bypass any kind of redirection

[lost sun]

dark type if it doesn't terra slow for TR and steel if it terras to fairy

[real prairie]

a team that can function in Tailwind against slower opposition or balance teamsn but also Trick Room hyper offensive speed teams

[next stump]

CSR will inherently be one of your tougher matchups but the team you’re using from Justin Tang is designed to make CSR easier than most other CIR teams

[lost sun]

wouldn't that be better if the res works under tw aswell like kyogre

[dense latch]

against those csr balance teams with will o wisp incin the tangs even suggested dropping cir and going for the team’s tailwind mode

there’s a full team report if you’re interested in learning more about the matchups

https://youtu.be/m41c3LfF-P4?si=RKCh5xkL94GP451W

[carmine flame]

yeah i think i just have to work more on my playmaking and learning that specific matchup, i dont think im utilizing the teams full potential by not bringing out ogerpon and landorus as much

[mighty stump]

@next stump Hows your NPAA run going

[craggy dagger]

least common on one, most common on 2

[next stump]

good 🙂 went 4-0 during the regular season but don’t think I can play week one of the playoffs, how is yours?

[mighty stump]

2-2, had one where I chose the wrong team, managed to compensate but then lost to RNG

[grizzled island]

If I used a rental team but swapped one of the legendaries with Zama, do yall think I could find a team he'd be good in?

[mighty stump]

Just use a Zama rental

[grizzled island]

I didn't know anyone still used him 😭

[lost sun]

1of the 8 good res

[bold geode]

Hello Tofu

Damn that was a fuck up

[quaint sedge]

Not sure where I can put this in this server but can someone help me fix my fucking disaster of a team? I wanna battle people in Violet but my team SUCKS

[bold geode]

I got one
Just posted today :3

[quaint sedge]

Mind you I’m more leaning towards “use Pokémon I like!” Rather than “use what’s good” so there’s that factor

[next stump]

yeah post some details in here about the team

also are you playing single battles or double battles

[quaint sedge]

That matters?

[bold geode]

@chrome knot

[quaint sedge]

But I like double battles more

[bold geode]

That's a good thing

[grizzled island]

I got a hear me out kinda team lol but I needa get my last member

[bold geode]

Just rip it

[quaint sedge]

My team is Inteleon, Cinderace, Lucario, Gardevoir, Gallade, and Leavanny. Can’t be worse than me LMAO

[quaint sedge]

Yeah one sec. Lemme get the Reddit post I copy pasted because it got taken down I think 🙂‍↕️

[solid frigate]

wait i forgot there is a DK game in GB

[grizzled island]

Just gotta change up moves and stuff

[solid frigate]

sneasler copium

[grizzled island]

Trust me mines a hear me out

[bold geode]

What the hell can your argument even be

[grizzled island]

I just like the polecat 😭

[quaint sedge]

At least half your team doesn’t die to flying and fire types LMAO

[grizzled island]

Lol

[bold geode]

Shits a weasel

[grizzled island]

It was the polecat or the tall giraffe

And I like the colours of the polecat more

[quaint sedge]

Right now everyone except Leavanny is in Sword. Leavanny’s in USUM 💀

Oh and team details:

Inteleon:

• Level: 100
• Nature: Modest
• Best Stat: Speed
• Ability: Sniper
• Moves: U-Turn, Acrobatics, Snipe Shot, Shadow Ball
• Held Item: Mystic Water
  Inteleon was actually my SwSh starter. I did not reset for the nature, fun fact. That was what I was given originally

Cinderace:

• Level: 96
• Nature: Impish
• Best Stat: Attack
• Ability: Libero
• Moves: Double Kick, Pyro Ball, Electro Ball, Zen Headbutt. Because of the Libero ability and the fact that I already have two psychic types, I wanna change Zen Headbutt for something else
• Held Item: Formerly Charcoal, now I don't know what to put
  Note that this was a Pokémon given to me in a trade if that's relevant

Lucario:

• Level: 100
• Nature: Calm
• Best Stat: Speed
• Ability: Inner Focus
• Moves: Swords Dance, Bone Rush, Aura Sphere, Reversal. I absolutely HATE this moveset
• Held Item: Muscle Band

Gardevoir:

• Level: 100
• Nature: Bashful
• Best Stat: Defense
• Ability: Trace. I don't wanna get his hidden ability because I find Trace to be useful
• Moves: Ice Shard, Hypnosis, Dazzling Gleam, Psychic
• Held Item: I forgot the name but it boosts the critical hit ratio

Gallade:

• Level: 100
• Nature: Careful
• Best Stat: Speed
• Ability: Steadfast
• Moves: Wide Guard, Grass Knot, False Swipe (I used him to catch Pokémon until now), and Air Slash. I also hate this moveset
• Held Item: Shell Bell

Leavanny:

• Level: 100
• Nature: Relaxed
• Best Stat: HP
• Ability: Swarm. Sadly
• Moves: I haven't played USUM in a while, but I know there's X Scizzor, False Swipe, and Leaf Storm
• Held Item: The bug type boosting powder
  I've had Leavanny since I was young so he gets a pass on the shitty stuff, but I'm still looking to improve

[solid frigate]

wtf am i looking at

[foggy lodge]

Is that a sw sh team

[quaint sedge]

It’s for Violet

[quaint sedge]

A mess

“Use Pokémon you like!” No thanks friend I end up making a fool of myself 🙂‍↕️

[solid frigate]

glad you recognise it

[quaint sedge]

Honestly this is why I hate sharing my team. We all know it’s a mess /nm

[bold geode]

Thing is like
It's good to have your mons in a team have cohesion
There is like none of that here

[quaint sedge]

My friend told me to use Pokémon I like

[bold geode]

And honestly playing without a restricted is kinda not that great

[next stump]

okay yeah there’s a lot to unpack here

[solid frigate]

in VGC its really hard for new players

[solid frigate]

let alone,2 in the future format

[next stump]

I have a couple of guiding questions that’ll help

[bold geode]

Imma let Dillon take over

[quaint sedge]

I actually don’t know what that is

[grizzled island]

I don't exactly know my strategy for my team but imma change the incineore for the other stage cuz I don't like it's finally evolution

[quaint sedge]

👍🏼

[next stump]

1. How serious do you want to take online battles? Do you care about winning?

2. What pokemon do you ABSOLUTELY have to use? Try to limit it to just 1, maybe 2 choices if you can

[solid frigate]

@bold geode stimky

[grizzled island]

For me I 100% wanna go to worlds and win! But I kinda wanna do it with a team that will shock people yk-

[quaint sedge]

1 - Not at all and not at all. It’s just for fun hence why I said I wanted to use my favourites

2 - I like all of them but I have to say Inteleon. He’s one of my strongest Pokémon I’ve ever owned

[solid frigate]

[grizzled island]

??

[next stump]

And you said you like double battles more, right?

[quaint sedge]

I do; but I’m okay with anything. I’d just do double battles if I have the change rather than single ones

[solid frigate]

it needs like so much work,start with something small (Like your ambition,but yeah)

[next stump]

Well double battles are what most people here play, so that would line up. If you do play singles you can probably get away with “weaker” pokemon but then we can’t help

[solid frigate]

or you can just ask Shiro i guess lmao

[quaint sedge]

That’s fine, don’t worry about it

Thanks for trying anyway, but I’ll probably just… not battle

[grizzled island]

Yeah, i understand that but like? Why cough at smth i look up to doing? I get its a wild dream for someone just starting in competitive but the whole idea is that I'm passionate about it. Competitive wouldn't be hard if people were supportive and helped. It's okay to have a little bit of unrealistic goals if you work hard to at least try em.

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/woah-family-guy-peter-griffin-stop-no-more-gif-18848500

[quaint sedge]

I just wanna battle against other people online for fun. I’m not gonna be good at actual competitive contests so I’m not even gonna bother

[grizzled island]

I like pokémon battles fr

When I was in 5th grade my mom took me to watch one of the championship battles it was so amazing

Ever since I wanted to win it

[solid frigate]

i am just not that confident since i am still rather new(1 Year Comp experience)

[next stump]

I’m happy to hear you want to try online battles, but it’ll probably be better to come back to this chat if you have any more specific questions. It’s hard to give just general advice if you’re not super competitive (which is okay!)

[solid frigate]

nah you are stimky

[grizzled island]

That's understandable but plz don't take your unconfidence and push it on me 😭

[quaint sedge]

Yeah that’s fine. Thanks anyway

[gentle crag]

r1xalo has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[grizzled island]

Question, when facing a team using grass or water type orgerpon what's a good like thing to combat it

[quaint sedge]

I’m just gonna go for a walk. Thanks guys

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/vegeta-i-wanna-be-a-super-saiyan-angry-sad-tantrum-gif-12004985768681974615

[next stump]

flying types and poison types are pretty solid against both

[bold geode]

Anyways @grizzled island about that team

[grizzled island]

My nightmare team lol

[grizzled island]

Tytyty

[gentle crag]

feral_vll has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[bold geode]

So what's your argument

[grizzled island]

Like defending my team and why i picked wm

[bold geode]

Yeah you were like hear me out
Imma hear you out

[grizzled island]

Let's see

Zama because my first every pokémon game was sheild and I like the whole body press strategy it's very fun to play around with and with his naturally high ass defense i wanted to play into it.

Luratnus has knock off pressure and can set up sunny day for inncinior weak but still useful

Hatarena for trick room incase Zama ends up being slower then I thought plus healing wish dazzling gleam and other stronger it's psychic and fairy type moves to deal with our the popular lizzard bikes

Inncinior because it's the cat and he's strong everyone uses him atp

Water mouse fairy for the huge power move and trying to play on 2 turn moves to see how it works in competitive

And the polecat from the past for that scare factor but they are just support for Zama

I wanna try newer stuff and see how it works

I mean everyone talks about how you should only use what's good and works but I wanna mess around a bit and make things work well

And yes it's a doubles team lol

[solid frigate]

i think Lurantis is good for Being a Contrary Pokemon

You can just spam Leaf storm

Azumarill is for huge Power shenangins and Sneasler is just

Annoying as shit

[grizzled island]

I was going to use that fish from the past instead

But I thought i had enough water

[craggy dagger]

i mean trick room lurantis-
that’s good synergy there

[grizzled island]

It can learn that 👀

I didn't know that mwahhaa

[craggy dagger]

wait what is the full team?

[craggy dagger]

no no i mean lurantis works well in trick room

[grizzled island]

Behold my nightmare team

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 754: Lurantis

Type

Grass

Abilities

Leaf Guard, Contrary (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

70/105/90/80/90/45

Total

480

Other Formes

Lurantis-Totem

Sableye version 4.28.1

[solid frigate]

tf

[grizzled island]

@craggy dagger this is my team that we are talking abt

[craggy dagger]

ooo
is it gonna evolve to sneasler orrrr

[grizzled island]

Calling it

Le Cauchemar
(This is French, for those who don't know French its The nightmare)

[craggy dagger]

that actually doesn’t look too bad imo

[grizzled island]

Yeah im getting there 😭 need day to happen

I just caught an alpha one and transferred it

[craggy dagger]

they all work in trick room except for sneasler

[grizzled island]

Damn really, can u help me work on it a bit? Need suggestions for improvement

[craggy dagger]

running a full bulk zama with not much speed would also be nice

[grizzled island]

I reset my zamas stats

He's also at lvl 100 so that changes some stuff on him

[next stump]

@grizzled island Have you ever tried out Pokemon Showdown? If you’re interested in eventually competing through in person tournaments, it is a great way to practice efficiently

[grizzled island]

Never heard of it

[shadow wind]

😱😱

[grizzled island]

😭 what??

[shadow wind]

Showdown is incredible

[grizzled island]

What can I use it on?

[shadow wind]

Anything with a search engine

Phone, laptop, I bet the switch could even run it

It has a built in team builder

So you can try out evs without going through the hassle of resetting and re-ev’ing

[grizzled island]

Oo thanks!

[shadow wind]

And you can play Bo1 or Bo3 style ladders

Bo1 is more accurate to battle stadium but Bo3 is more accurate to real tournament games

[grizzled island]

I'm trying to get shiny litten because full shiny competitive team looks so pretty 🥰

Tho getting a good ev shiny alpha polecat will be the hard one

[shadow wind]

You mean iv?

[grizzled island]

Yes

That word 😭

[shadow wind]

You could always bottle cap the shiny

[grizzled island]

Idk how to use them

[shadow wind]

Get the Mon to level 50, go to the snow town Pokemon centre thing, there’s a guy with an Abomasnow, talk to him and then select your Mon and then use either 6 bottle caps or a golden bottle cap to max all their IV’s

Usually you don’t need 6 cause like Incin doesn’t need spatk

[astral kelp]

What is reddit cooking wtf

The more you look at it the worse it gets

[grizzled island]

What type of bottle caps cuz i got golden and sliver

[grizzled island]

I LOVE RESHIERAM

[astral kelp]

Rain reshiram 💀

[tiny karma]

Ability: Guard Dog

This Pokemon is immune to the effect of the Intimidate Ability and raises its Attack by 1 stage instead. This Pokemon cannot be forced to switch out by another Pokemon's attack or item.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[shadow wind]

Silver can increase one iv to max while a golden one increases all to max

[astral kelp]

So Basicaly okidogi is the most anti incineroar Mon ever

Can't be intimidated and has upper hand

Fighting type does SE to him

[grizzled island]

Ah tysvm

[grizzled island]

I love that silly dog and kinda wanted to use him but I'm using my other dog the shield puppy

[split cairn]

Hey 👋
Maybe a dumb question, but do i IV train spectrier or Calyrex?

[real prairie]

4 leftovers

[real prairie]

Calyrex

[shadow wind]

Course

[split cairn]

Ok cool thank you

[gentle crag]

arsh_nanda6319 has given 1 Gen Rep to oneofakindof

[astral kelp]

LMFAO YOU'RE RIGHT I DIDN'T NOTICE THAT

I don't get it like why would you make that then post it on reddit asking for feedback I feel like you'd want to at least play one game on showdown before asking for feedback

Then you'd see you literally can't play it on showdown

[mighty stump]

I think you need to minimum outspeed Chi-Yu

[split cairn]

Is Talonflame any good?
I’m looking for a tailwind setter

[grizzled island]

Unless ur like me who never knew it existed lol

[mighty stump]

Tornadus/Whimsi would be your option for priority Tailwind that's more consistent. Talonflame is just more offensive due to Priority Brave Bird

Additionally, support Tflame gets access to Upper Hand/Quick Guard/Wisp

Just depends on your needs

Other TW users at the moment include Roaring Moon with Booster Spe

[grizzled island]

Need help with moves on my lurantus

[mighty stump]

@chrome knot

[split cairn]

Gale wings do give priority to Tailwind right? Or am i tripping

[mighty stump]

Only when full HP.

[craggy dagger]

if its mostly a trick room team couldn't you technically go slower

[astral kelp]

Nah like how do you poke paste without it

[craggy dagger]

cuz this cast is screaming trick room.
having zama and sneasler being the only fast ones dont make much sense

[grizzled island]

Idk what that means lol

[solid frigate]

especially Zama usually don't like TR

[astral kelp]

Oh poke paste is the site that let's you show teams a bit nicer

[grizzled island]

Ohh

[astral kelp]

You have to paste a team into it using showdown

Or ig you could manually type everything

[grizzled island]

Yeah no I've never used poke paste nor the showdown thingy

Never heard of em until today

[grizzled island]

Incase trick room fails ig

[craggy dagger]

true

[grizzled island]

Need me some moveset help

[shadow wind]

You could go contrary superpower

[grizzled island]

Oo

So is leaf guard like a bad ability?

[cyan smelt]

You need some way to buff its sp def because it's not the greatest

[shadow wind]

Compared to contrary yeah

AV could help with that

[grizzled island]

And for my polecat of the past snesaler is pressure good?

[shadow wind]

Pressure is not good no

[grizzled island]

So what ivs would I focus on?

Sp.def, hp and atk?

[grizzled island]

Whats the best ability for em

[cyan smelt]

I think so because you can buff its def with superpower

[shadow wind]

Unburden is probably the best but if you can’t activate it poison touch is better

[grizzled island]

Was think for the lurantus giving it a loaded dice if I can get my hands on one and use bullet seed too

[split cairn]

Holding loaded dice for one average attack is not worth it imo

[grizzled island]

Ah okay, what's a good move that loaded dice is worth holding

[next stump]

@grizzled island realized I never sent this - here's the link directly to pokemon showdown https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/

[shadow wind]

Bullet seed
Icicle spear
Scale shot

[next stump]

it's designed to play in a web browser but works on a phone browser decently well

[grizzled island]

Tysvm 😭

[split cairn]

Loaded dice suits someone like Baxcalibur who can run icicle spear and scale shot

[grizzled island]

Can I make a tm for superpower or do I have to find it?

[split cairn]

That way its getting utilized for more than 1 attack

[grizzled island]

Ohhh okay

Tyty

[cyan smelt]

Superpower is an egg move for lurantis

[grizzled island]

Whats better to keep petal blizzard or leaf blade?

[grizzled island]

Egg move? What's that mean

[cyan smelt]

Give it a mirror herb and a free moveslot and make a picnic with another mon that knows superpower

[grizzled island]

Ohh i never heard of that, that's so cool wtf

On my lurantus so far I got

Sunny day,
Knock off,
Petal blizzard
Leaf blade

[split cairn]

Petal blizzard will damage your other pokemon as well in 2v2

[grizzled island]

Damnnn

Didn't know that

[astral kelp]

Newest na
James baek video, ✨✨

Mad cooks

[split cairn]

If you’re playing 1v1 give poison jab instead of leaf blade
If 2v2 remove petal blizzard

[craggy dagger]

@solid frigate

[astral kelp]

I kinda like the idea

Ursaluna is the real restricted in this team

[grizzled island]

2v2 so no blizzard 😔

[astral kelp]

Dialga is extremely tánky for trick room and it has telepathy

[grizzled island]

AWE THE LITTLE CUP GUY

[astral kelp]

Sinistcha is one of my top 3 mons

[grizzled island]

That's so cool

[astral kelp]

Love the guy

[grizzled island]

Is Fling any good?? (The attack)

[astral kelp]

You can do a lot of cheesy shit with fling

[grizzled island]

OO

I like being a pest

[astral kelp]

You can double fake out basically with kings crown

[real prairie]

@solid frigate https://youtu.be/K1YDehlyc9U?si=pm-YQOuzADyDvfav

[astral kelp]

Kings Stone?

[grizzled island]

I gave them fake out, so would fling be a good like back up move?

[astral kelp]

Depends on the speed

You're basically giving up an item

What pokemon

[grizzled island]

Lurantus

Their speed is 72

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 754: Lurantis

Type

Grass

Abilities

Leaf Guard, Contrary (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

70/105/90/80/90/45

Total

480

Other Formes

Lurantis-Totem

Sableye version 4.28.1

[astral kelp]

Oh heel naw double fake out will not work here lmao

[grizzled island]

Oh 🥲

[astral kelp]

You can do some weakeness policy plus fling speed berry

But it's too slow lol

[grizzled island]

Should I keep sunny day? Or get rid of it

[split cairn]

Honestly, there are better grass types than Lurantis

480 base stat is kinda low plus ability and moveset aren’t that great either

[grizzled island]

I get that but I'm trying to use a team that's unexpected

Other then yk the giant fire cat and polecat

[mighty stump]

This sounds like it's going out of control lol

Like consistent execution is going to be so difficult.

If you're going to utilise favourites/preferred Pokemon you need a solid basis to build off of

[grizzled island]

Makes me work harder to make them work 💪

[mighty stump]

Working hard is overrated compared to working efficiently

[split cairn]

I get it but the problem with Lurantis is not bulky and very slow
8/10 times your Lurantis would not even get a chance to move

[bold geode]

Faxx

Oh Tofu
Opinions on blog?

[mighty stump]

A lot of improvement

[solid frigate]

sorry i did not see it just i am doing something

[grizzled island]

I mentioned before that I'm not exactly looking to make a basic team with pokémon that are commonly used and wanna make pokémon that could work, work, even if it's difficult. Not looking for people to tell me i shouldn't, I'm looking for advice on the pokémon I'm using

[bold geode]

Thank you

[gentle crag]

dollarmonke has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[grizzled island]

Both can work in their own ways

[real prairie]

No rush that's just know you like dialga

[mighty stump]

Sometimes the advice for these Pokemon are "do not use". Especially not in this format.

What is the point of utilising a Pokemon if it ends up not being used 90% of the time

Is that really called working

[grizzled island]

Cool but like I said I'm using these guys, because I can, I'll make em great for competitive in my own way

[mighty stump]

Since you will never be able to make function (keyword, not competitive) without even utilising one basic Pokemon that are meant to role compress and give space to these niche/preferred choices

But clearly we have different definitions of succeeding

[split cairn]

I would recommend going into showdown before investing any of your time and resources into these pokemons

[split cairn]

Try different moveset and held items and see how much coordination your Pokemons have with each other

[vapid summit]

chat

what do we think of this team?

https://pokepast.es/a860c59b26585b1c

[dense latch]

@grizzled island what pokemon are you trying to work with? missed a lot from the chat but i’d love to try and help

[dense latch]

what format is this for?

[solid frigate]

For PMD

[vapid summit]

vgc reg g

[split cairn]

Dragonite is tera dragon? And you gave it tera blast?
Isn’t dragon claw doing same thing

[craggy dagger]

[mighty stump]

Where is your restricted.

[dense latch]

okay, first things first you need a restricted

i imagine tera types havent been fully figured out yet?

that landorus set needs some work

[vapid summit]

just trying to get a team scrapped together first

[grizzled island]

My team

[solid frigate]

A for effort F for actually using

[dense latch]

it should definitely be lorb or scarf

[vapid summit]

LMAOOOO

[dense latch]

so i get you’re trying to use unorthodox pokemon but i see no synergy between these at all

[cyan smelt]

plus lando solos that team easy

[mighty stump]

Everyone wants to skip to the good part

[dense latch]

i think you mentioned indeedee at some point? at least that’s some synergy to be found with hatterene

[vapid summit]

so how should i rebuild my team? or the sets?

[solid frigate]

😭 oh god don't give me trauma

[grizzled island]

Using a few different strategies and playing around it isn't final yet but so far there's actually surprisingly some good strategies with these guys

[craggy dagger]

they're all slow

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 184: Azumarill

Types

Water/Fairy

Abilities

Thick Fat, Huge Power, Sap Sipper (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/50/80/60/80/50

Total

420

Sableye version 4.28.1

[grizzled island]

Trying the heavy slam trick room

[craggy dagger]

base 50 azu
base 45 lurantis
i dont think hattrene and incin need an intro

[grizzled island]

Got huge power and figuring out how to use them

[dense latch]

i think i lowkey see a zama team if you change some pokemon

i think you could try the banded extreme speed tera normal dnite

[solid frigate]

2-2-2 teams exists

or 4-2 which is usually i do for teams like tailroom or rain

[dense latch]

just abuse sword of ruin

[vapid summit]

im down to change some, what you got in mind?

[dense latch]

i think zama pao dnite amoonguss is a good start

[foggy lodge]

Use chompy's team

[dense latch]

that is if you wanna keep dragonite on the team

[foggy lodge]

Zama Chien Pao Dragonite Raging Bolt and i don't remember

[dense latch]

im sure there’s better pokemon for the slot but i could see paonite working with zama

[cyan smelt]

i lost to entei chien pao zama amoonguss at brisbane so similar thing

[grizzled island]

My teams got 2 fast pokémon

Zama and sneakser but- like let's say i put them out together in the start, how would they work together

[dense latch]

why zama for a tr team tho too

[solid frigate]

hell you can make Zama Chien,Dnite,Bolt,Entei Amogus

[craggy dagger]

that i have no clue 😭

[solid frigate]

THATS WHAT I SAY

[dense latch]

i dont know if that team is gonna be making the most out of those tr turns

[grizzled island]

Whats TR mean?

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/hsr-dan-heng-peace-gif-3733285196809980875

[craggy dagger]

if you take out zama from the equation it can be a trick room team

[dense latch]

lurantis is gonna take a few hits to get contrary up and running

[grizzled island]

I want my shield puppy 😡 haha

[solid frigate]

my reaction to seeing so many teams in this chat so far

[dense latch]

okay so how much of the team are you willing to change? if at all

[azure ether]

Isn't Zama too fast for TR?

[craggy dagger]

thats me to whats going on here rn

[dense latch]

yep

[grizzled island]

Should I just change them? I mean there's 100% other underused uncommon pokémon

[solid frigate]

where the fuck is Keanu's team

Give it to her.

[craggy dagger]

like
yes, im the one who runs stupid ideas
but
if they're not cohesive...

[dense latch]

these are definitely not the pokemon to support zamazenta i’ll be honest

[grizzled island]

Any but the shield dog. Otherwise anything that's uncommonly used

[dense latch]

okay

[shadow wind]

Groudon ‼️‼️

[dense latch]

are there any pokemon that you’d like to use?

[grizzled island]

My whole team must but shocking 😈✨️

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-doge-gif-24837098

[shadow wind]

😔

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/miraidon-miraidon-monday-pokemon-why-did-i-make-this-gif-3601650693055615036

[grizzled island]

Mmm i like hattarena, shield dog and the tall polecat

[azure ether]

It doesn't need to get wins, right?

[mighty stump]

lmfao

[solid frigate]

i guess i can't take my leave if Goat mother wants to play Miraidon-

[craggy dagger]

its still sunday

[solid frigate]

its not in UK

[plain drum]

Close enough

[grizzled island]

It does but like I said my goal is a team that's uncommonly used in general to win. EVEN if it's unrealistic. People bitching about it or giving me backhanded or rude comments will just be blocked. Genuinely can't stand people who are rude over competitive 😭

[plain drum]

Here's the thing, I think people are trying to tell you that goal is unrealistic

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/miraidon-pokemon-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-dance-toothless-gif-5811329944095029800

[solid frigate]

the ambitition is alright,like that is a good thing

But you might want to get into regionals first imo

[grizzled island]

Like I mentioned before I'll still try. I understand it is that's the whole point but being rude abt it isn't okay.

[plain drum]

But in all fairness we've planted the seeds which is to find a team that works as a unit

[mighty stump]

Why would you expect people to assist you in achieving a goal that ignores everything competitive utilises

[grizzled island]

Definitely the plan! I got my rental team for that but this team I'm working on is special

[chrome knot]

tera blast
superpower
leaf blade
knock off
@ tera stellar :3

[dense latch]

i feel like regionals are still down the road

[plain drum]

It would be experience if anything

[craggy dagger]

sounds about right

[grizzled island]

Because people can help other build competitive teams even if they won't be used? Just in general people who have competitive live dexes???

[solid frigate]

i think what you need to do is just understanding the meta,learn the basics

I still intrigued on why tofu said VGC is a puzzle but eh that not important for now

Waht you need is understand how to play the game and not skip towards the teambuilding,teambuilding is HARD

[grizzled island]

People are allowed to have unrealistic goals for fun.

[plain drum]

You might be looking in the wrong place, people here are more likely to want to make sure you succeed even if it's just "for fun"

[mighty stump]

Why do you think I said that

[grizzled island]

Its a discussion chat?? For competitive, people are allowed to make unrealistic teams that might or might not win. Yall kinda making a huge deal over nothing. I'm asking for advice on pokémon for competitive that's kinda the point

[solid frigate]

lets just say i forgor

also where is your disciple that you want to adopt

[plain drum]

So let's go back, you said you absolutely wanted to run Zamazenta. What's the type of team you want to make, something balanced or more gimmicky?

[mighty stump]

What disciple

[grizzled island]

I wanna try for balanced honestly i feel like that would be better for Zama

[mighty stump]

My children have graduated

[solid frigate]

the sinnoh guy who also said VGC is a Puzzle

[mighty stump]

Dunno

[solid frigate]

eh whatever he would comeback one day just to chat here

[plain drum]

I don't know if I'm understanding it correctly but I would see it like that just because you need to know how stuff fits together, i.e. the descriptive word "puzzle"

[dense latch]

https://pokepast.es/b86f472334a5b070 @grizzled island im just gonna send one of the best zamazenta teams rn, not necessarily for you to use these pokemon in case you dont really like them, but for you to have an idea of how zamazenta teams are built

[mighty stump]

Because every interaction that requires a dedicated intentional choice and to solve that as efficiently as possible = good teambuilding

[plain drum]

^ this is a good start, take a look at that and see what you think you could plug in that's underused which may or may not play the same roles as efficiently. You've got your expectations in check though it seems

[mighty stump]

Every Pokemon, moveslot, EV, and choice you make is a puzzle piece

[plain drum]

[solid frigate]

watch me just fail the EV part and have to calc it in practice matches

[plain drum]

[solid frigate]

[grizzled island]

Tysvm ^^

[molten oasis]

i graudated?

[grizzled island]

I genuinely appreciate peeps who are just helping me ^^ im passionate about competitive and recreating my childhood wonder of seeing the 2015 world champ for the first time

[solid frigate]

huh nice

Chalk Team?

[azure ether]

It's nice to hear though idk if seeing a team be in 7 of top 8 makes a nice experience

[solid frigate]

yeah Chalk is one of the most consistent teams in all of VGC

[molten oasis]

cresselia heatran amoonguss landorous (t) and khangaskhan

[grizzled island]

Honestly if I make it to top 8 I'd be happy lol

[left bobcat]

I wish I had Roku

[azure ether]

It is if you're playing, might be different from a viewers perspective

[left bobcat]

oh wait I do have Roku

[solid frigate]

Chalk,Riyna Sun,Arubega Miraidon,

I guess Gen 5 Anything with Latios Dragon Gem

[dense latch]

big six

[solid frigate]

probably there are 2 players that i admire the most

Michael Kelsch and Riley Factura

[grizzled island]

Genuine question is meowcracrda any good in comp??

[dense latch]

it was

[solid frigate]

good in low power,bad in rn

[dense latch]

currently? not so much

[azure ether]

It was when the overall power level of legal pokemon were low

[molten oasis]

it was

[grizzled island]

Should I just do a moridon team? I mean I adore that pokémon lol

Ill keep working on my crazy team on my own ^^

[solid frigate]

did someone say Miraidon.

[molten oasis]

moraidon

[left bobcat]

We the big three

[grizzled island]

I wish it wasn't shiny locked omg I'd be flaring a moridon team 24/7

[molten oasis]

wdym by that

[cyan smelt]

Flights to Melbourne are cheap I should definitely book for the regional

[dense latch]

he’s just quoting lyrics i think

[left bobcat]

The big three

[solid frigate]

i literally run Miraidon in a regional during janurary

[molten oasis]

like the big 3 of anime

[azure ether]

We probably won't get shiny Kor and Mir until next year, seeing as Gen 10 is not in sight this year

[left bobcat]

No the big three of shenanigans

[grizzled island]

Ooo thats so cool

Imma look at rental teams, but what's that moridon team that fought Mr Wolf Click guy

[molten oasis]

the big three of that is Monke Nova and ig Flack

actually maybe Luna

[left bobcat]

Welllllllll

[solid frigate]

in terms of being goober

[molten oasis]

ye

[left bobcat]

Actually nvm my miraidon teams are “annoying”

As I’ve been told in some matches

[solid frigate]

mine are kinda from trying anti meta to somewhat alright

[next stump]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025reggbo3-2331587985-rd2wsrwj2ypy7f3lqc9cuy2a6guydy3pw - game 1

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025reggbo3-2331589303-oqs9rc1kl5nhwwuiprgpwklx1umor2ypw - game 2

This mirror usually devolves into smeargle fake out speed ties, but I had a thought (while showering this morning lol) about just hard switching in torkoal and it worked. Then game 2 I figured he'd hard play around that and just spore the smeargle slot, so I went for fake out instead... Worked out perfect hahaha

[left bobcat]

I even have rilla and miraidon in the same team

[solid frigate]

smeargle moment

[left bobcat]

Electric seed miraidon and change terrain with grassy terrain

[cyan smelt]

Smeargle and Amoonguss are two of the most annoying mons in vgc

[grizzled island]

Explain for this lowly goat mother, what's that mean

[solid frigate]

usually Miraidon and Rillaboom are anti synergy

Miraidon wants its Terrain which does not like getting overridden

[left bobcat]

Miraidon has the ability hadron engine which brings electric terrain rillaboom on the other hand has the ability grassy terrain

[cyan smelt]

Why have I seen some people run rilla and Mirai together

[left bobcat]

Grassy terrain boost grass type moves and provides a bit of healing at the end of each turn

[dense latch]

great set

[charred saddle]

is that the MDB team or is it close to it?

i dont remember

[dense latch]

man that mirror must be horrible without that

[grizzled island]

So does that mean you never know who's terrain is going up?

[solid frigate]

they don't know terrains

[dense latch]

it is the mdb team

[left bobcat]

I make both terrains work

[charred saddle]

slower mon sets the terrain

[azure ether]

It's the slower one's terrain that always prevails

[left bobcat]

The one terrain that I hate is psychic terrain

[charred saddle]

so rilla and miraidon position will always favor rilla

[solid frigate]

for miraidon team you always want electric Terrain,having Rillaboom makes it counterintuitive

[molten oasis]

rilla gives mirai a hard time sometimes

[cyan smelt]

And then Indeedee beats both

[charred saddle]

[molten oasis]

a lot of teams run anti rilla stuff tho

[grizzled island]

For moridon do i want that tall graiffe pokémon

And give it that electric seed item

[molten oasis]

farigiraf? yea

[azure ether]

Probably it's best partner so yea

[solid frigate]

usually yeah

But for me i just did not use it cuz i like the tailwind aspect on it

[molten oasis]

whims is its best partner imo

[next stump]

thanks 🙂 really loving the team

[charred saddle]

winning the FO speed tie

[gentle crag]

mlbd has given 1 Gen Rep to eriksp

[solid frigate]

Hands:

[dense latch]

you cant go wrong with mirai farig iron hands

[charred saddle]

actually crazy

[astral kelp]

man i wish they gave these mons better abilities

[next stump]

kinda wanna try using goggles indeedee + different item bolt though

[molten oasis]

hands whimsi mirai are like, buddies

[grizzled island]

Isn't he banned for this upcoming thingy

[charred saddle]

actually i have a question on the mdb team

[left bobcat]

Ugh psyspam I hate it

[dense latch]

i tried it for a bit but i dont think im a hard tr guy lol

the sets got pretty stale for me but that might just be me not knowing my lines

[left bobcat]

Even tho I used to use it

[dense latch]

im using the team that beat the mdb team day 1 of stockholm lol

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/e2ecf3568d66d882

I just love using my new version on my regional team(Whims can be replaced by Roaring Moon if you don't care about Fairy that much

[charred saddle]

how does the mdb team like play around, do you just like smeargle cir everytime?

[dense latch]

the current format allows one restricted pokemon (e.g miraidon, zamazenta, calyrex, etc) + any other pokemon in the game excluding mythicals

[charred saddle]

i really dont have any idea on how to play that team

[dense latch]

mdb dropped a team report if you’re interested

[charred saddle]

oh there is?

[grizzled island]

I FOUND THE TEAM I REALLY LIKE

[dense latch]

though i can’t remember if he talks about specific matchups but it’ll surely be some good insight

[charred saddle]

thought only paste

where can i find the report

[solid frigate]

show

[dense latch]

youtube

[grizzled island]

THIS THIS WAS THE TEAM

The team i saw the wolf guy fight

[dense latch]

https://youtu.be/Mz9a9f4Y7Gw?si=VSM1JarxBsS8Y2sV

[charred saddle]

me go watch

[dense latch]

oh yea this is a really good team

[azure ether]

Lmao goggles on the neck

[solid frigate]

its basically Arubega Miraidon but you don't want the tailwind mode

[dense latch]

mdb’s content is peak

[shadow wind]

What a crazy title 😭😭

[dense latch]

im a huge mdb fan so that might be biased

[solid frigate]

mdb is goated

[charred saddle]

as much as i want to shit on the title, MDB has achievements so

[solid frigate]

MDB and Riley Factura are two of my most respected players

[grizzled island]

With the new rules I'd have to change like 80% of the team

[azure ether]

You don't tho?

[solid frigate]

you just run that

[azure ether]

It's 100% legal in the current regulation

[dense latch]

ig it’s there for higher engagement?

what new rules are you talking about

[azure ether]

Regulation G is still in effect until the end of April

[charred saddle]

reg I announcement(?) or still no official announcement

[next stump]

smeargle/CIR is probably your most common lead

indeedee/CIR is good in certain spots

i've even led stuff like bolt or urshifu if it's a really good matchup

[grizzled island]

But isn't it just 1 restricted pokemon I thought that all uh- paradox pokémon

[dense latch]

mdb and jeudy azzarelli are my personal faves

mostly bc of their streams and videos i love both of their personalities and teams

[charred saddle]

what about the band shifu?

how do you play with it? since even if its slow bulky
it is still faster and underspeeds in TR

[dense latch]

paradox pokemon arent restricted pokemon

you can have as many as you like in a team

[charred saddle]

also i think the day 1 stockholm vid on someone using it, was they couldve won with sucker and something but they just went to indeedee

[shadow wind]

I mean if you aren’t clickbaiting a YouTube video what are you even doing

[charred saddle]

i dont understand the POV

[solid frigate]

i fought jeudy and that failed horribly

[dense latch]

same lol

i got a game off of him in a reg h viewer battle

[grizzled island]

For this team is it possible or okay to swap it to water bear?

[dense latch]

i cooked but then i overadapted and lost both games

[solid frigate]

i already fought two world champion level players in this month alone man-

[dense latch]

i battled mdb in the wrong format

randomly in broken cup ladder and got cooked

[grizzled island]

Gen question

For the team i showed before

[dense latch]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2246660447-csf54twbf51hy7t0a4hz3bl7ddr08kxpw i found the replay woo

[solid frigate]

it should be fine,but what changes would you make since you did mention that

[dense latch]

i was kinda proud of this because the team i was using had like no matchup into marco sun lol

[rustic mountain]

jeudy a bit too hectic for me but hes a great player and mdb is awesome

crazy how much success hes had already

[left bobcat]

https://pokepast.es/360068563bd16c41 hmmm im gonna try this

[solid frigate]

Keanu as well

He's so good (RIP that Icicle Crash miss tho)

[dense latch]

solo grass pledge is crazy

[grizzled island]

I meant for this team

Could I change the bear to the water version

[dense latch]

yea should be fine

[rustic mountain]

we got quite a few really good players in this channel

[dense latch]

true

[rustic mountain]

also the crash miss was mdb im confused

[solid frigate]

Keanu,Yotam,etc

[rustic mountain]

dillon yea

[charred saddle]

tree too

[rustic mountain]

tofu if he had a circuit

[dense latch]

vouch

[rustic mountain]

haha ty im ok

[solid frigate]

its a matter of time the new players will rise up

[dense latch]

when i first got back into vgc tree was super helpful

[rustic mountain]

🫡

glad i could help

[solid frigate]

i think i just do VGC on my own until i found my teambuilding group members

[dense latch]

it was hard to get into this channel at first it felt kinda closed for me in terms of the ppl interacting and stuff if that makes any sense

i really only have one friend that i constantly lab and theorize with

[solid frigate]

dude i ran a Rain team with so much type overla in reg F lmao

[cyan smelt]

i feel like i didn't really understand stuff much until i went to a regional

[dense latch]

you guys are lucky to have regionals in your countries lmao

[molten oasis]

they're expensive

[solid frigate]

i think i started to not suck in late reg G wave 1

[solid frigate]

british moment

[rustic mountain]

i went to 1 regional in 2022, had signed up and planned for 2 other regionals since but they fell thru cuz of irl, hoping this next szn i have more time to actually compete

[molten oasis]

i plan on NAIC and thats it

need to play more tho

[dense latch]

i was okay at the end of reg h and i think i’ve improved a bit since then

i was so bad during reg g 1.0 lol

[rustic mountain]

first format back not too unexpected

after a few years

[dense latch]

i think i might try a vr tour just for fun, might be one of my only chances at playing really good players

[solid frigate]

i'll do another regional in 2026 if i have money

or EUIC if i can

[rustic mountain]

fair

[foggy lodge]

I have to play more in my local scene

[dense latch]

yea starting in reg g was kinda rough because once we switched to reg h it felt like i was learning sv from scratch again

[rustic mountain]

it was a weird switch up even if u had been playing

[dense latch]

once im done with exams in like november i think i might try out some locals or hopefully special events

[molten oasis]

odd change

[foggy lodge]

I don't think I'll play irl on this year anymore tho lol

I'm too focused on studies this year

[left bobcat]

oops i meaant grassy glide

[solid frigate]

at least like i have the International Level player status lmao

[dense latch]

if i go study abroad for college next year i might have a shot at playing regionals and all

[molten oasis]

same

[rustic mountain]

not same

[molten oasis]

like you're not the same?

[rustic mountain]

like that is not an option for me

[molten oasis]

gotcha

[rustic mountain]

it was a joke

[molten oasis]

oh i was saying same to morris' comment

not the college thing

[rustic mountain]

oh lmao

[molten oasis]

im not in college

i need to go into my college next week actually and talk about that

[next stump]

yoooo I am ass but ty though ❤️

[gentle crag]

mlbd has given 1 Gen Rep to treeco.

[molten oasis]

just debating what im supposed to do

[dense latch]

if you’re ass then i dont even wanna think abt what that makes me lmao

[rustic mountain]

we are all lookin to improve, ur a player whose gotten solid irl results and qualified for worlds thats more then most of the playerbase, big accomplishment

[molten oasis]

absolute garbage /jk

[lofty tartan]

👀

[left bobcat]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2331607516

[lofty tartan]

I'll be hitting more Regionals during this year - travel isn't cheap so I needed to get things cooking

I started with S/V and hit two Regionals so far. I think I've done all right.

[dense latch]

https://pokepast.es/601aaf724a29d1f9 yo can anyone help me with my evs

idk how fast i should make my cir and bolt

i almost never use bolt so idk how to ev it

stole the spread from munchstats

[rustic mountain]

i am not the greatest w/ ev spreads but id factor in the cir speed after 1 or 2 e webs and see wat u can outspeed thats relevant in the meta

for bolt bulk usually ud have less sp atk investment for av nd want to commit a bit more into ur bulk/staying power

[forest arrow]

I would speed creep other cir, 85 is a common speed for it

[dense latch]

yea that was my biggest doubt, didnt know how bulky i should take it

i had 92 speed on the calyrex ice i had when i ran the eleki team

[molten oasis]

bolt can eat glacial lance

do that

[azure ether]

Would bulky bolt still get Proto SpA under the occasional sun?

[next stump]

it makes me super happy how many people here have attended IRL events

i feel like that's taking the hobby full circle

[lofty tartan]

I'm trying to even extend more events to my area. But that's like a gradual build

[rustic mountain]

ur modest so u prolly dont even need that much sp atk investment, see if and wen u hit the jump and prolly leave it at that

[molten oasis]

252+ Atk Calyrex-Ice Rider Glacial Lance vs. 148 HP / 148 Def Raging Bolt: 186-218 (84.9 - 99.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[dense latch]

bet, thanks

[forest arrow]

I hope to attend an event, just need to work stuff out

[spiral ridge]

drago your pfp 😭

[rustic mountain]

yea and then filter the rest into sp def and def, after that just grind some games and if anything notable pops up, adjust as u go if ur able to

[spiral ridge]

terrifying

[molten oasis]

do you know the context behind it?

its funnier if you do

[spiral ridge]

its P3 girl right?

[rustic mountain]

some calcs are not worth considering if u need an exuberant amount of ev resources to even have a chance

[molten oasis]

4* but yea

[spiral ridge]

that was second guess

then if its 4 then nah no clue

[rustic mountain]

think it goes to show how much the game has grown for comp which is cool

[molten oasis]

its one of the other characters faces put on her face, its very funny

[lofty tartan]

Attend one when the new season starts and we'll meet up

[rustic mountain]

70 ppl at regionals to now like 800-1000

[forest arrow]

Most definitely!

[molten oasis]

wolfe will always win when its the next biggest regional

[rustic mountain]

generally, depends on the area ofc

[rustic mountain]

wolfey with perish*

[molten oasis]

yep

[rustic mountain]

nah one of em wasnt perish iirc

[molten oasis]

weren't the last 2 with perish?

[rustic mountain]

yea but 1 wasnt the biggest

[lofty tartan]

Can't think like that - gotta think it'll be YOU who wins the next biggest Pokemon Regionals ™️

[molten oasis]

oh true

[rustic mountain]

the 3 biggest ones were perish, not perish and perish

[mint void]

Sir what

[molten oasis]

good point

[rustic mountain]

not perish i think was the one that won the next irl right after

[molten oasis]

i dont generally think i have the skill to win a regional tho

[lofty tartan]

Like I was a hair away from winning a set against a Worlds top 8 competitor at my first Regional with no practice under my belt.

Always gotta bank on yourself, man ❤️

[molten oasis]

like i'll try to win

[rustic mountain]

wen u attend irl, u cant psych urself out off a big name, they r playing the same game u are

sure experience is gna help em but its not the absolute determining factor otherwise no new player would win regionals and weve seen that not be the case

[molten oasis]

thats true

[lofty tartan]

Yeah I didn't trust my gut against a player I thought was better, and that was the factor that killed me. I learned my lesson.

[rustic mountain]

thats important tho

[lofty tartan]

Now I trust my gut 😄

[rustic mountain]

sometimes u need those experiences to really learn that

[molten oasis]

i lost that like

[lofty tartan]

Absolutely

[molten oasis]

i dont trust my gut as much as i should

[lofty tartan]

It showed me I knew more than I thought I did and that my decision process wasn't garbage lmfao

[rustic mountain]

right

[molten oasis]

i'm more often right about a call than not

[lofty tartan]

Despite a loss, it was a winning outcome

[rustic mountain]

its always learning

[cyan smelt]

i feel like i psyched myself out in a couple of sets on saturday but i learnt from the previous sets in my final match and psyched out my opponent

[rustic mountain]

just like life, ur always learning (hopefully)

[lofty tartan]

Super pumped for Reg I and a breath of fresh air

[molten oasis]

same

[forest arrow]

LunaDon stans rise with me

[lofty tartan]

(watch it be Reg G 3)

[rustic mountain]

i hope reg i doesnt suck

[lofty tartan]

💯

[rustic mountain]

reg g 2 might be my least fav sv format

[lofty tartan]

Same. I checked out for the whole thing

[molten oasis]

its either double res (should be this tbh) or reg h again

[forest arrow]

it felt so freaking long thats for sure

[lofty tartan]

I'd be fine with Reg H 2, but I'd rather have a new format.

[molten oasis]

i think most of us can agree reg g 2 was pretty bad

could have been reg d 2 tho

[azure ether]

I'm really curious what format goes next after double restricted, seeing as we'll have SV for another year

[lofty tartan]

I was telling you that from the start xD

[forest arrow]

sneasler pulttttt

[molten oasis]

i treated reg h too harshly

literally have been realizing that as we get closer to the announcement

[lofty tartan]

Lmao.

[rustic mountain]

u did

[lofty tartan]

The worst format is always the one we're currently playing, man, I get it.

It's a classic "the grass is always greener" scenario

[rustic mountain]

reg h will never forgive u

[molten oasis]

i know

[lofty tartan]

Then you get over on the neighbor's yard and realize it's astroturf

[rustic mountain]

nah

ik wat ur saying

[molten oasis]

i think from now on we can just say "its not reg g 2"

[rustic mountain]

and it def is the case for a lot of ppl but i def appreciate good formats wen they r there

[forest arrow]

Reg F my beloved

[lofty tartan]

It's not a literal "the worst format is always what's current", just a group mentality that the current format is bad and the new format is better

[rustic mountain]

yea

[molten oasis]

yea

[lofty tartan]

Then people realize that the new format sucks lmfao

[molten oasis]

a month into reg g 2 i got so bored

[lofty tartan]

I was bored when they announced it

[molten oasis]

valid

[rustic mountain]

i barely played reg g 2 the first 2 months and i already hate it

[forest arrow]

Yeah when they announced it Mika said adios

[lofty tartan]

Yup.

Honestly a good break was long overdue. Especially after Toronto.

[molten oasis]

i just hope it someting new, no more roulette wheel please

[forest arrow]

We love good breaks tho

[lofty tartan]

That was a roller coaster of a Regional.

[forest arrow]

Reg G 2 sucked anyway you didn’t miss much

[azure ether]

It's gonna be Reg G with bikes and horses banned

[molten oasis]

koraidon got better i guess like

[lofty tartan]

I didn't think I'd miss much anyway

[molten oasis]

the format felt pretty similar to reg g 1

[lofty tartan]

Almost-solved format gets a second run and becomes solved. News at 11

[rustic mountain]

u said

[molten oasis]

ong lol

[forest arrow]

Thats the only outcome I enjoyed, but it was basically at the end of the Regulation

[foggy lodge]

I like reg G

[rustic mountain]

ew

[foggy lodge]

Tho I'm already bored of the format lmao

[lofty tartan]

Reg G was fine the first time. The second run was what blew my wheels out

[molten oasis]

i liked reg g the first time

not the second

[rustic mountain]

yea

[left bobcat]

From within

[rustic mountain]

i thought 1st reg g was fine, this 2nd go around is a nightmare

[lofty tartan]

Double Restricted has more options because it makes some lesser Restricted a lot more viable

[molten oasis]

spin the wheel and find out if you're fighting a horse or a bike! for the 100th time!

[forest arrow]

Also makes mu roulette less of a thing

[lofty tartan]

Lunala is gonna be an excellent supporting pick that can also dish it out

Now you don't have to use your one Restricted as a WG bot.

[molten oasis]

messing with zac lunala or zacogre for NAIC

[rustic mountain]

idk if this is a hot take but idt lunala is gonna be good

[molten oasis]

it is, people are all over lunala

[lofty tartan]

Don't diss my moon wizard.

[azure ether]

NAIC will be double res?

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

[molten oasis]

it should be

[lofty tartan]

NAIC will be "whatever regulation happens after G"

[forest arrow]

Lunala is gonna be a great support piece

[molten oasis]

true

[lofty tartan]

[molten oasis]

idt lunala is as good as people are saying it is

but i think it'll be good

[lofty tartan]

This is all a precursor to the real meat and potatoes in 2026 with a hopeful return of Megas because idgaf

[next stump]

should be about 24-48 hours until we get a new format

[molten oasis]

so close

[forest arrow]

Do we get info on the 1st?

[next stump]

typically yeah

let me check previous formats

[rustic mountain]

either im missing something or extremely early format meta is skewing ppls perception on its strength

[molten oasis]

i personally dont think lunala is like, omg this mon is broken kind of good but like, its fine and works

[lofty tartan]

I just like Lunala and know it was less-solid in Reg G because it often got relegated to spamming WG because HONSE

I like dark horse picks :]

[rustic mountain]

idt its bad

[molten oasis]

the guys on top stay on top

[lofty tartan]

I ran TTar at Toronto. Dark horse picks all the way.

[molten oasis]

meaning lunala competes with CSR which sucks, and zama for wide guard spam

[rustic mountain]

but i just dont see it really doing much more to justify over another broken mon choice

[lofty tartan]

I see it as more of a solid support piece to really elevate your main Restricted, and can also situationally be great like in TR modes.

[foggy lodge]

I think Lunala Groudon could be strong

[lofty tartan]

But hey, I am not an authority on this

[rustic mountain]

yea well see

[foggy lodge]

If you trust in a low accuracy team it can be crazy lol

[molten oasis]

we will just have to see what happens

my options with zac are slim

[foggy lodge]

Groudon Lunala Chi-Yu Jumpluff I can't wait to miss all my moves🔥

[rustic mountain]

wen u miss crucial meteor beam and precipice blades to lose the set

[lofty tartan]

I do know that Shadow Shield is a great ability that can be leveraged. Way better than something like Prism Armor

[forest arrow]

Korai Lunala is what imma try at first

[rustic mountain]

i think its zama csr for me

[cyan smelt]

i kinda had an idea to try dialga groudon with gravity TR

[molten oasis]

im probably sticking with zacogre but im ngl, zac feels so good with hearthshifu stuff i might try to find a non weather restricted for that

[lofty tartan]

I swore that I'd push Dialga/CIR if a Double Restricted format happened. And by Jim I'm gonna force it.

[foggy lodge]

I was looking at it too

[rustic mountain]

whose jim

[lofty tartan]

Some douche.

[rustic mountain]

[forest arrow]

lol

[foggy lodge]

Idk which Dialga would be better tho

[rustic mountain]

neither

[lofty tartan]

Reg Dialga for TR

DON'T CRUSH MY DREAMS, TREE

[molten oasis]

i also think my options for that are mirai or lunala

[lofty tartan]

YOU'RE NOT MY REAL DAD

[foggy lodge]

Like origin is just statistically better than regular Dialga but maybe I want damage boost or healing items on it

[molten oasis]

i havent tested mirai zac at all, seems, okayish just sucks into lando

[foggy lodge]

Run Chien-Pao

[molten oasis]

ofc lol

[foggy lodge]

Ice shard can be good for it

[molten oasis]

oh my god

[lofty tartan]

Dialga/CIR is something I saw in Gen 8 doubles when I was doing research on previous gen formats, trying to get better at the game.

So I thought it was neat and wanna play around with it. Do I think it's good? Maybe average.

[rustic mountain]

yea its just like

dmax made dialga useable

[lofty tartan]

Yeah for sure.

[cyan smelt]

i ran dialga lunala in swsh lol

[foggy lodge]

I was also looking at CIR Lunala and like

[rustic mountain]

not saying dont try it

[molten oasis]

So like

[rustic mountain]

but i am really low on dialga for dres

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/f9a485aeb4973fd2 I run this team in reg g, Mirai over bolt would probably go crazy

[lofty tartan]

That's fair.

In all seriousness I don't know what I'd play for a real team in Double Res

[foggy lodge]

I don't see why people say CIR Lunala will be crazy

[lofty tartan]

Whatever it is, it'll have some variation of Ogrepon, Ursh, Incin, I imagine

Ogrepon/Ursh/Incin holy trinity of Gen 9 high-power formats

Rillaboom sometimes over Ogre

[rustic mountain]

i feel like kyogre cir or mirai cir is just infinitely better

[foggy lodge]

Ogerpon Landorus Urshifu is crazy

[lofty tartan]

Ogerpon*

Stupid ogre/oger

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/8245b4b0082879d1 this might cook

[lofty tartan]

See I'm always a fan of huge flying whale - I dunno what else would be good as a restricted with him that doesn't make me play more CIR lmfao

[dense latch]

pretty excited to try cir mirai

[lofty tartan]

TR just makes me overthink so much.

I do well with Hyper Offense and Balance

[rustic mountain]

swordfish might be good (zacian kyogre)

[dense latch]

i wonder how fast mirai should be next to cir though

[rustic mountain]

zama kyogre

[lofty tartan]

I like Zac/Ogre

Zac/Ogre/Regidrago

[foggy lodge]

Probably how people use it rn like super slow Mirai

[rustic mountain]

ive even seen ppl posting kyogre/mirai is good but im not quite sure for that 1

[molten oasis]

i think ogre would take the drago spot ngl

[lofty tartan]

Yeah I'd like Kyogre/Mirai to be good but I have no idea.

It's time for the whale to get his 15 minutes of fame

[dense latch]

i saw cir/mirai/farig/hands/ursh dark/ ditto in limitless and that looked pretty nice

saw volcarona over ditto too

[left bobcat]

Hahaha

[dense latch]

seems like a nice wall for zama and zacian

[left bobcat]

That’s funny

[lofty tartan]

NO - funny buttons good

[foggy lodge]

Arubega Mirai ft. CIR

[molten oasis]

:/

[foggy lodge]

Tbh when I try to make Miraidon teams for double res I always end in Farigiraf Hands Incin

[lofty tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-fry-philip-j-fry-ill-show-ye-yep-gif-22605628

[chrome knot]

thas what imma play :3

[lofty tartan]

High five, Emmy

Kyogre/Zam or Zac sounds fun

[dense latch]

origin pulse and play rough misses would scar me

[lofty tartan]

That's why you just Scarf and Water Spout

[next stump]

reg G v1 announcement was given at march 31st 6:00PM CST

so there's a real world we're about 22 hours away

[foggy lodge]

Ah damn it

[lofty tartan]

I mean I'm the guy that throws Hydro Pumps into Zam banking on WG with zero shame or concern

[left bobcat]

Damn

The world isn’t real anyways

[foggy lodge]

Will it be named reg I or reg J

[lofty tartan]

He just reposted the old announcement for Reg G

[left bobcat]

Let’s just do a Cyrus

[lofty tartan]

I'm assuming we're gonna just move into Reg I

[foggy lodge]

I suppose reg I but would reg G 2 be a spiritual reg I

[lofty tartan]

Nah

[left bobcat]

Uhhhhhhhhh reg g 2

Sounds like a vultures thing first one is bleh and the second one is worse

I didn’t know there would be a sequel

[lofty tartan]

🤔

[left bobcat]

Reg g but with extra steps

I mean maybeeeeeeee it would be interesting if they allowed mythicals for reg g 2

[lofty tartan]

We're currently IN Reg G 2

[forest arrow]

Hmmm well here’s to hoping we get the news for the breathe of fresh air tomorrow

[left bobcat]

No last I check this is reg g

[lofty tartan]

Yeah, the second run of it

[left bobcat]

It’s just reg g rehash

[lofty tartan]

So it's Reg G 2

[left bobcat]

It’s not a number 2 if it’s just the same thing

[lofty tartan]

Ah hyperbole

[lofty tartan]

We can start doing practice after announcements because I'm ready to be back and not playing single restricted

[forest arrow]

I’m down!

[lofty tartan]

I still have a massive shiny bank of all VGC-relevant stuff

It's a bit disorganized right now because of Toronto - I haven't played Pokemon since

FULL break. No cheating

[left bobcat]

Toronto eh?

[forest arrow]

I’ve been dynamax adventuring for Lunala but my luck is abysmal

[left bobcat]

Not sure how I’d use the Toronto slang in text

[lofty tartan]

We can probably do some DA runs too - I've got Tornadus and a few other goodies saved

[forest arrow]

I forgot what you needed by I still have it saved

[lofty tartan]

We've got 3 switches here with DA runs locked for shiny hunting

[forest arrow]

Maybe it was Lunala

[lofty tartan]

Probably Lunala

I have a shiny but I want more.

Always more.

Tera Raid Shiny Ray was my third

[forest arrow]

And I need my first lol so I’ll be down for sure, just let me know!

[lofty tartan]

Absolutely man. Next weekend we can do some DA runs or something - when I'm off work

My wife will join

That gives us a solid 3

[forest arrow]

yeah I’ll be off on Saturday so I’m down to run some! That’s my birthday too, so maybe I get some bday luck hehe

[cyan smelt]

it's so wholesome when an entire family is into pokemon, like kit and taunt and their kid

[lofty tartan]

I'm off Saturday as well.

[lofty tartan]

Yeah until Switch 2 comes out and I have to buy 3 consoles 😐

[cyan smelt]

gl fighting off the scalpers

oh yeah switch 2 direct soon

[lofty tartan]

If scalpers get the whole first wave I'll just buy a new phone 🤷

Wait for the second one

[left bobcat]

The fam?

Very interesant

[lofty tartan]

Like my wife and my daughter both play a lot - my daughter wants to start playing VGC and go to a Regionals

We're all pretty hype for Z-A

[cyan smelt]

are you coaching her?

[lofty tartan]

I'm especially hype for Champions

[lofty tartan]

I'm gonna teach her the basics and stuff. I wouldn't call myself a coach though because I'm still working on my own skill lol

[left bobcat]

Awwww that’s adorable

[cyan smelt]

heck same

i should've started using other peoples' teams a lot earlier

[left bobcat]

Yeah especially mine

[lofty tartan]

Like I saw myself lock-in and play out of my mind for awhile at Toronto because I had a really rough start - whipped it right around. I have lots of room to improve, though.

6-2 finish was narrowly missed

[left bobcat]

The matches are gonna take forever

[cyan smelt]

i went 4-3 at my first tournament and finished top 100, pretty happy with that

[lofty tartan]

My first Regional was one of the last 9 round events

[cyan smelt]

that's intense

[lofty tartan]

It's mentally exhausting, but we had 9 round Regionals in Magic

[cyan smelt]

i was pretty mentally exhausted by my last match

[lofty tartan]

I've played in a tournament from 8am to 8pm before. That was draining as hell.

I just wanted to sleep the whole next day away

[cyan smelt]

yeah i felt like doing nothing yesterday

[chrome knot]

we always on the same page

[lofty tartan]

It's kinda funny, ngl. We usually are

Tree mentioned Kyogre/Zac or Zam because I didn't know what would go well with Kyogre.

Awhile ago I initially thought Zam because Kyogre can take a Peli slot

[molten oasis]

Zam ogre is like fine I just think zacogre is stronger

[lofty tartan]

Yeah I like Zac/Ogre

[lost sun]

I recon miraidon would pair well with kyogre ez swap in for grass and electric threats and kyogres spread damage moraidons more single damage

[molten oasis]

Idt zama or ogre particularly like miraidon

[lofty tartan]

I'm probably gonna scope a lot of Kyogre and Zacian teams, respectively, and see if they have any significant overlap

[molten oasis]

Or koraidon

Which Zac doesn’t mind facing into

[lost sun]

bit risky tho ain't it

[lofty tartan]

Zacian pressures Koraidon through speed

[molten oasis]

And what happens when koraidon Tera’s to fire

[lofty tartan]

Vulnerable to Kyogre

[molten oasis]

Yep lol

Tis strong

[lofty tartan]

It forces them to weigh their decision to tera much more heavily than normal

[molten oasis]

Zama doesnt do that as well

I do think zama is overall a better Mon

[foggy lodge]

Imagine Zama Zac being viable

[molten oasis]

Imagine

[foggy lodge]

I don't think it is that bad tho maybe for a GC it could work

[shadow wind]

Are there a lot of middle speed tier mons?

[molten oasis]

Like 90 speed tiers? Yes

[shadow wind]

I feel like it's literally 0 ivs brave/quiet or max speed timid/jolly

Cause I'm trying to find a good speed to have an armarouge at

Cause I feel like 103 speed might be too fast

But it does outspeed the 135 guys

[molten oasis]

what?

[shadow wind]

And obviously I want to be able to run it in TR

In tailwind I mean

[molten oasis]

oh ok

[shadow wind]

My bad I didn't mention that

[lost sun]

my kyogre got 12 speed EVs to outspeeds cir in tw

[molten oasis]

how is that, lmao

[shadow wind]

But I'm wondering if 103 is too fast for TR

[molten oasis]

who runs max speed jolly CIR

[shadow wind]

CSR they mean

[lost sun]

I ment csr

[molten oasis]

oh ok

[shadow wind]

I run the same thing on Groudon, hits 112

[molten oasis]

that makes more sense i was so confused

[lost sun]

ye

[foggy lodge]

Wouldn't you want to outspeed scarf shifu too atleast

[molten oasis]

i like 114

[shadow wind]

It just feels off

[molten oasis]

it totally does

[lost sun]

no