competitive_discussion

[mighty stump]

Mega Emboar

[rustic mountain]

im grinding to rank a fs

[shadow wind]

Ok I just got shafted by the game

[molten oasis]

I wonder if starters will be megas or variants

[rustic mountain]

better b variants

[mighty stump]

megas

[molten oasis]

i'd prefer variants

[rustic mountain]

variants = more permanent

[mighty stump]

i think leak stuff saids no variants

[molten oasis]

do you just want mega emboar?

[shadow wind]

Why does Calyrex have to crit me so often

[mighty stump]

so idk

[molten oasis]

oh really, damn

[mighty stump]

would it make sense to have variants in a not so distant past Lumiose City

[rustic mountain]

leaks so no validity really but also

[mighty stump]

oop

[molten oasis]

not really ig

[mighty stump]

Centro came out w full descriptions/list of what megas are gonna be

[molten oasis]

you're up late monke

[rustic mountain]

jus cuz some ppl dont wanna b spoiled

[bold geode]

Veluza can suck my dick

[mighty stump]

THEN DONT COME TO COMP REEEE

[molten oasis]

we talk about like all the leaks lol

[rustic mountain]

centro is also not credible and uses other resources generally to get their info

[molten oasis]

remember the leak on the loyal trio

[mighty stump]

Yeah

They did the 4chan stuff

to get this info

but the descripts sound good

so i wouldnt mind if they were true

plus

[rustic mountain]

and their pool of info yea ranges from extremely unreliable to basic unreliable

[mighty stump]

we don’t have to worry

cuz

Pokemon Champions

It’ll basically mean we have perma stuff

[rustic mountain]

im more excited for that

[mighty stump]

So variants moot

Same

[molten oasis]

i hope thats waht we think it is

[mighty stump]

I can’t wait to school noobs

[rustic mountain]

i guess thats tru potentially

[mighty stump]

noobstomping is my favourite hobby

[molten oasis]

lmao

[rustic mountain]

depends wat we get out the game

i have high hopes but i dont wanna get too excited

[bold geode]

Also hey Tofu

[mighty stump]

ironically in MonHun

I like noobhelping

[molten oasis]

i just wanna click tera water spout on origin kyogre

[mighty stump]

Im the random master rank hunter joining low rank stuff

[mighty stump]

fuk u

[molten oasis]

lol, Tofu did you pick up Wilds?

[bold geode]

Fuck you too buddy

[mighty stump]

yur

doing my HR grind

did u see my hunter

[molten oasis]

nope

i can get mine as well rq

[molten oasis]

thats cool

what was ur favorite hunt?

[mighty stump]

Hmmm

I have a love/hate with Xu Wu

[molten oasis]

Xu Wu's annoying but i like his design

[mighty stump]

thats one i find hardest

Weirdly

it took me a while to learn the pattern for his dash swing

Arkveld was tricky

[molten oasis]

Learning Arkveld was rough

[mighty stump]

Im comfortable with all the rest

Uth Duna was good

Oh Gypceros as well

I LOVE FIGHTING LALA BARINA

[molten oasis]

Uth Duna's the apex predator of the forest right?

[mighty stump]

Wish the armor was neater tho

[mighty stump]

yea

[molten oasis]

i think people hate it lol

[mighty stump]

Dude Rathalos in Wilds is harder

[molten oasis]

Rathalos can be so brutal

dodging some of the fire kinda sucks

[mighty stump]

Rey Dau is sick

Additionally fun fact

Quematrice can’t do it’s fire attacks if it stands in water

[molten oasis]

lmfao

make that fight even easier

[mighty stump]

Quematrice vs puddle of water

[molten oasis]

I think once we get HR Zoh Shia, depending on hard they make that fight that might be up there

[mighty stump]

The armor is fucking sick

[molten oasis]

Its so cool

I think my favorite hunt slowly became the octopus, i forgot its name

Nu Udra

that fight ends up pretty fun after a while, but i struggled somuch on it

[mighty stump]

Nu Udra

Cephalopod monsties were sth i ddint know i needed

I wish Goss Harag was here though

Favourite all time

[molten oasis]

that guy's cool

favorite monster's hard, theres so many cool designs

Jin Dahaad is up there, Mizutsune is also really cool

oh Lunagaron

Thats my favorite, that fight was fun and i love his design

[mighty stump]

Ebony Odogaron being in this game is goated

wish there was the normal one

[molten oasis]

maybe in the dlc or smth

[undone sage]

Wilds talk

[molten oasis]

yep

i wonder if we'll get more guardian monsters

[undone sage]

I think they look cool

I want a guardian Seikret skin

[molten oasis]

real

[undone sage]

I've gotten all the achis in wilds now, so ready for the title update

[molten oasis]

mizutsune and HR Zoh Shia

i need HR Zoh Shia so much

[undone sage]

Gimme that Zoh Shia armour

[molten oasis]

that armor is sick

[undone sage]

Yassss

And will give me something to do now I just finished the achieves

[molten oasis]

yea

[undone sage]

[molten oasis]

curious waht other elder dragons they'll add

[shadow wind]

Gotta love showdown

[cyan smelt]

i liked how everyone was nice at the regional

[shadow wind]

Yeah I would imagine irl tournaments are a lot better than ladder in terms of friendliness

[cyan smelt]

I guess the temptation is there to be nasty if you're behind a screen

But I've started enjoying it a lot more since I stopped being negative

[shadow wind]

Nice

Also that team building tomorrow is going to be crazy

I got some ideas

Some good some bad

[cyan smelt]

I'm gonna try and read and understand vgc guide again

Have you ever considered volcarona

[shadow wind]

A lot yeah

I just hate how it does not help against Rockpon

Which Groudon really really hates

[cyan smelt]

Oh right

[shadow wind]

It definitely can work

It just needs the right support work

[cyan smelt]

Tbh a lot of your mons don't like rockpon

[shadow wind]

Yeah

Rockpon is very scary

Yknow what beats Rockpon though?

Firepon

[cyan smelt]

Interesting

[shadow wind]

Mold breaker 🙏

[cyan smelt]

Oh ofc

[shadow wind]

Whoever hits the other first kills

[cyan smelt]

Groudon also hates the dogs and chi yu

[shadow wind]

Yes and yes

Don't worry, all of these things can be managed

You just gotta cook hard enough

[cyan smelt]

I need to learn to cook, I was hoping zacian and zama had fallen off but these guys didn't get the memo today lol

[shadow wind]

Apparently

[cyan smelt]

They must have been practising with them a while

[shadow wind]

There's definitely a difference between a ladder team and a regional team though

[cyan smelt]

Your team performed pretty well

[shadow wind]

Thanks

It was a pretty general use team

I had losing MU on ladder but just assumed no one would be running that

[cyan smelt]

During the middle of it I was in a flow state with it where I feel like I was getting leads and switches right

[shadow wind]

Volc is actually really good for the dogs

Resists all their stabs

[cyan smelt]

Yeah when I played Zama that miraidon team with volcarona was a struggle

[shadow wind]

I can imagine yeah

[cyan smelt]

Couldn't bring urshifu and it threatens Zama and chien pao

And rilla

[shadow wind]

Also if you're down I just recently got a better microphone so I can actually joins vcs without blowing up everyones ears so we could call

[cyan smelt]

Yeah sounds good

[shadow wind]

Tomorrow of course

[astral kelp]

groudon hates a lot of stuff

[cyan smelt]

Yep

[shadow wind]

Today is the rest after the tourney

[astral kelp]

i feel like that makes him really akward to plqay

[shadow wind]

You did good, 4-3 is nothing to scoff at

[astral kelp]

connor how do you play around urshifu rs

[cyan smelt]

You need to position well with Groudon

[shadow wind]

Raging bolt

[astral kelp]

understandable have a great day

[shadow wind]

No playing around it, I just click the super effective move into it

Groudon has so much potential if you can position him well

[astral kelp]

what if you lead groudon something not rb and they lead rs

[cyan smelt]

Also that choice band urshifu on the miraidon comp is scary, next to farigiraf and it has tera grass so you can't click thunderclap into it

[astral kelp]

do you just not lead groudon into water types

[shadow wind]

Exactly

[astral kelp]

icic

[cyan smelt]

Then urshifu blows you up with banded cc

[shadow wind]

Yeah volc would help with that

We could definitely do a Volc variant

I was never able to make a really successful Volc team

[cyan smelt]

Yeah so there's not 3-4 dragons lmao

[shadow wind]

Yeah

Bolt is almost a necessity

[cyan smelt]

I love bolt such good utility

[shadow wind]

Which kinda sucks cause then you already have 2 ice weaknesses

Yeah bolt is awesome

These were my 2 really really good teams

Bo1 granted but they did good

No volc

[cyan smelt]

Pao and Groudon is good

[shadow wind]

I love Pao Groudon

[cyan smelt]

Armarouge is interesting

[shadow wind]

I actually really liked Armarouge

You run min speed and can catch greedy faster CIRs

[cyan smelt]

Have you tried tera ghost chi yu? Might help with the dogs too

[shadow wind]

I really dislike Chi yu

If you lead Groudon Chi yu and want to click spread moves you have to click pblades and heat wave

Not a very consistent lead

But maybe I'm using the fish wrong

[cyan smelt]

Left field choice, how about iron moth for all the tera fairies

Blows up to lando though

[shadow wind]

Honestly my mind is open to literally anything in the game just because Groudon has no "Groudon team"

Even Zac has a team

The Drago Chi yu one

[cyan smelt]

Zac has a couple of variants

[shadow wind]

Groudon doesn't have any common teams

So literally everything is on the table

Which I really like

[cyan smelt]

Everyone using koraidon if they want sun

[shadow wind]

Yup

But Koraidon doesn't have that TR mode

[cyan smelt]

True

[shadow wind]

It will always be outsped by CSR

CSR Whims just kills Koraidon

[mighty stump]

Groudon has chinese sun

[shadow wind]

At least Groudon has the option to go TR and underspeed

[mighty stump]

Lol

[cyan smelt]

I played a csr today and I kept expecting it to go pollen puff into roaring moon

[shadow wind]

Specs?

That probably doesn't even kill

[cyan smelt]

No I think it was tera normal lorb

[shadow wind]

Oh weird

252 SpA Life Orb Calyrex-Shadow Draining Kiss vs. 0 HP / 36 SpD Roaring Moon: 172-203 (95.5 - 112.7%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO

The fact it can live this is wild

Also I've had a team in my team builder that I just never did anything with

No moves, no items, no teras

It was this

[cyan smelt]

Too bad farig can't learn gravity

[cyan smelt]

Lmao

[shadow wind]

Would you believe your eyes?

But yeah we could probably use this as a base

Those 4 are pretty strong I feel

[cyan smelt]

Faster than bronzong and no fake out + no astral barrage

[shadow wind]

Pretty much

Team hates Lando though

As most Groudon teams do

But we'll figure that out tomorrow

I just wanted to show the 4 to maybe encourage some ideas

[cyan smelt]

Lando is def annoying

I struggle to team build that's why I'm gonna go back and reread vgc guide, maybe I'll understand more having gone to a regional

[shadow wind]

Exactly, you got that in person experience

And team building is hard no matter who you are

But thankfully when team building with Groudon

You get to blame your restricted !

[cyan smelt]

Lmao

[shadow wind]

And since there's only been a couple notable Groudon teams you can't really look anywhere for sets

Which in my opinion is great for creativity

[cyan smelt]

Groudon is niche

[shadow wind]

Yup

I feel like he is the most neutral restricted

Not amazing into anything but no match up is unwinnable

Which is why I really like using him

[cyan smelt]

I enjoyed using sun today, it was good to try something different

[shadow wind]

Gets rid of the roulette of restricteds that is so apparent in Reg G

It's like Rock paper scissors but Groudon ties with everything

[cyan smelt]

Forces Zama to tera at least

[shadow wind]

Yuppers

[cyan smelt]

But volc does well into both dogs

[shadow wind]

Ah heck nah

The only one

[cyan smelt]

Lmao

[shadow wind]

Volc does do good into both dogs

Volc can even run no protect and opt for tailwind, wisp, and rage powder

[cyan smelt]

Or quiver dance set

[shadow wind]

Only thing I dislike about Volc is there's almost no point in running Firepon with it

If you're using Volc for the dogs I would stay away from QD

[cyan smelt]

But volc resists both Zama stabs

[shadow wind]

Resist can only help so much with 65 defense

[cyan smelt]

And neutral to tera ground tera blast

Yeah but flame body and rocky helmet

[shadow wind]

The rocky helmet is so incredibly nice

[cyan smelt]

Ogerpon can't run an item

[shadow wind]

Mixed with Pao though that body press probably still does 60%

[cyan smelt]

Crunch Pao would hurt too

[shadow wind]

+1 236+ Def Sword of Ruin Zamazenta-Crowned Body Press vs. 252 HP / 236+ Def Volcarona: 75-89 (39 - 46.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Ok I lied

252 Atk Life Orb Sword of Ruin Chien-Pao Crunch vs. 252 HP / 236+ Def Volcarona: 109-129 (56.7 - 67.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Yeah that hurts

Also someone to consider

Hariyama is really cool

Resists fire and ice and has fake out with wide guard

[cyan smelt]

Ooh neat

[shadow wind]

Anyway I’m going to sleep we’ll chat more tomorrow

[cyan smelt]

Good night thanks for the team

[astral kelp]

man i want to make a sun team but i dont want to use groudon or koraidon

[cyan smelt]

Why not

[astral kelp]

but those 2 are literally my only 2 options for physical sun setters that arent shit

[astral kelp]

groudon feels akward to play and so does koraidon

just a type thing + skill issue

[cyan smelt]

Yeah and it struggles against Mirai whims

[astral kelp]

maybe ill try breaking swipe koraidon

because i want to make a scovillain team

smthng like this but good

wait what if i use breaking swipe instead of dragon claw

its gonna be +2 anyways the damage he has is insane

[vocal plume]

I've been considering using Raging Bolt but he doesn't remotely fit the team I'm building rn

[astral kelp]

i feel like rb kinda fits in literally any team

hes so versitile and just good

even a psychic terrain team you can use support non clap rb

[vocal plume]

I'm planning to run Incineroar, Rillaboom, Porygon2, Ursaluna-Bloodmoon, Amoonguss and Primarina

(I'm new to comp so help with team building would be great)

[cyan smelt]

It's a restricted format

You need a legendary

[vocal plume]

I was previously trialing Kyogre in a different team and while he hit hard, the team wasn't optimised to support him

An oversight on my part

[cyan smelt]

Kyogre teams pretty much always run landorus

[vocal plume]

I don't have many legendaries that really fit the power curve. Aside from Koraidon, Kyogre and maybe a couple of others, the rest just don't fit the curve

I'm not at home rn either so I'll check once I'm back but I'm not hopeful

[cyan smelt]

Not sure what mons koraidon teams run

[timber falcon]

does CSR consistently run max speed timid?

[cyan smelt]

Check the pins for useful team building advice

And yes I'm pretty sure

[timber falcon]

oh no its not for me lol, just building a zac set and wanted to know if i shoul contest CSRs speed

but looking at munchstats at least 50% are max timid, so ill forget it

[cyan smelt]

No I'm talking to jimbo

Maybe run something with snarl for caly s

[timber falcon]

iron jugulis?

[cyan smelt]

Or even knock off, incin might be good

Umbreon and raging bolt learn snarl

[tiny karma]

Umbreon's moveset:

Physical Moves

Assurance, Bide, Bite, Body Slam, Covet, Crunch, Cut, Dig, Double Kick, Double-Edge, Facade, Feint Attack, Flail, Foul Play, Frustration, Giga Impact, Headbutt, Iron Tail, Lash Out, Last Resort, Natural Gift, Pay Day, Payback, Pursuit, Quick Attack, Rage, Retaliate, Return, Secret Power, Skull Bash, Sucker Punch, Tackle, Take Down, Thief, Throat Chop, Trailblaze

Special Moves

Alluring Voice, Dark Pulse, Dream Eater, Echoed Voice, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Mud-Slap, Psychic, Round, Shadow Ball, Snarl, Snore, Stored Power, Swift, Synchronoise, Tera Blast, Trump Card, Weather Ball, Zap Cannon

Status Moves

Attract, Baby-Doll Eyes, Baton Pass, Calm Mind, Captivate, Celebrate, Charm, Confide, Confuse Ray, Copycat, Curse, Detect, Double Team, Endure, Fake Tears, Flash, Focus Energy, Growl, Guard Swap, Heal Bell, Helping Hand, Laser Focus, Light Screen, Mean Look, Mimic, Moonlight, Nightmare, Protect, Psych Up, Rain Dance, Reflect, Refresh, Rest, Roar, Sand Attack, Scary Face, Screech, Sing, Skill Swap, Sleep Talk, Snatch, Spite, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Tail Whip, Taunt, Thunder Wave, Tickle, Torment, Toxic, Wish, Wonder Room, Work Up, Yawn

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Umbreon.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[timber falcon]

not a bad distruptor

[cyan smelt]

Umbreon is sometimes on sun because it gets more recovery from moonlight

[astral kelp]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2330516894
I DIDNT CLICK TERA FUCK

i thought i clicked it

im tera flying for this one specific reason

[timber falcon]

oh that gives me an idea

much thanks

[cyan smelt]

Why are you still running scovillain lol

And np

[astral kelp]

i missclicked LMAO

[astral kelp]

cuz i like them

[cyan smelt]

Ok but if you want to win you should use ogerpon

[astral kelp]

spice extract tho

thats like the whole point of the team :3

[cyan smelt]

Ogerpon gets a free +1 and sun boosted and water coverage

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/84fddab1ca08171f

just a team i have on paper, thpughts?

[astral kelp]

scovilain gives koraidon +2 also has endeavour which is really funny

[cyan smelt]

Tera ground on zacian, tera dark and encore on whims, tera fairy on flutter

Instead of swords dance run tera blast

[chrome knot]

unfortunately ur talking to a wall bc they only run unviable teams or just troll stuff

[cyan smelt]

Good to know

[astral kelp]

tho if anything dragapult kinda sucks

phantom force is scary tho

holy unplayable mu

[chrome knot]

waow the unplayable mu is another troll team

[cyan smelt]

What will scovillain do without chlorophyll

[astral kelp]

yea its just a type thing

[astral kelp]

literally nothing

i mean i guess i can endeavor \

i keep losing to dirty crits

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2330527790

i keep thinking
oh man what if i dont do enough damage

and i forget its +2 koraidon

what a beast

[astral kelp]

im really enjoying this temas

id say the big weakness is follow me and kyogre

bvut i can deal with the ogre

[real prairie]

Not an awful idea into a special attacker to allow your physical attacker to run riot

[astral kelp]

yeah but i also couldve just overheated it 💀

[real prairie]

Haha I meant in general

[astral kelp]

yeye

[real prairie]

Good way to deal with the turtle next to it

[astral kelp]

its not bad specially into bulky special attacker

exactly like turtle hahah

[real prairie]

@cyan smelt how'd the rest of day 1 go?

[astral kelp]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2330543484
why is this team feeling kinda good (other than the obvious fact that this is 1200 lp)

i might get back to the 1400 with it

tho i need something better than fucking dragapult

[void sluice]

I know this is way too old, but I gotta ask.
To ppl who have used zygarde in pokemon swsh, either generally or for battle tower or in vgc, how did you train your zygarde? Did you go with coil or dragon dance?

[astral kelp]

@cyan smelt https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2330554083 bro look how crazy scovillain is

you think ogre could do that muahahah

whats a pokemon thats fast or has a lot of prio moves thats physical and doesnt mind being -2 defense

my first thought was chien pao but i cant use sash on it

wait i know ogre corner

not really an offensive sweaper but pretty good

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2330559923

wtf was opp cooking

[next stump]

coil was more popular

[void sluice]

Any ev spread suggestions?

[mighty stump]

Coil

I dont remember my EVs

Ancient

You can pair with Comfey stuff tho

[next stump]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025reggbo3-2330596486-2091l0qesaaqidoa8fxs5wjivus819mpw

this mirror

is the stupidest mirror i've ever played

[vocal plume]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2330598091

Playing this, I was so confused

[left bobcat]

Yeah

[next stump]

wild game lol

[vocal plume]

I can only assume that they used Trick Room to speed up Baxcalibur but Baxcalibur is faster than Amoonguss so I could just spam spore into an endless train

[next stump]

Brisbane teams were released

https://pokedata.ovh/standingsVGC/0000139/masters/

[chrome knot]

LMAO what tf was that game

[vocal plume]

?

[charred saddle]

i saw this rank 1 on brisbane

went crazy

but its just CIR

thought its base caly

oh but its teal mask o damn

rabsca

bro oly shit the whole VGC has weird teams

[left bobcat]

GLOW IT UPPPP

[vocal plume]

I thought it was just Caly

[mint void]

tf is ur team

wait no

tf is ur opponents team

[vocal plume]

Was gonna say

[mint void]

most Smogon UU looking ass team

[vocal plume]

I mean even still, Chien-Pao and Amoonguss are still a little out of place (Amoonguss in my last SV match carried me even without trick room)

[mint void]

what are your choices for the mons you are running?

[vocal plume]

Heavily depends on the opponent's six as well but I generally try to run one phys attacker with one special attacker first and then switch Flutter Mane for Lando-Therian

In actual SV, I switched Chien-Pao for Incin

[craggy dagger]

:3

[vocal plume]

So I try to run one intimidate mon (Incin as a support) with a special attacker and then Lando with Flutter Mane or Koraidon

[bold geode]

Look at the 5th place LMAO

[bold geode]

Hello silly

[craggy dagger]

oh hai

[mint void]

i see the idea. U come from singles no? The idea of running phys and special attacker to not be walled?

[vocal plume]

Actually, this is my first time playing comp ever

[mint void]

you should find combos that have synergy with each other. Like ChiYu Flutter

[vocal plume]

I'm still in a testing phase really

I got another team that doesn't have a restricted mon

[nocturne holly]

what restricteds r u guys using

I’m gonna try zac again

[vocal plume]

Koraidon

Was also considering another mon but eh

I'm still designing teams

[mint void]

Zac and CIR

[next stump]

for a beginner you’re playing pretty solid

[vocal plume]

Who?

I also need to get a copy of Pokemon Shield again.

I have a Calyrex-Shadow stuck there because I haven't yet separated Calyrex from Spectrier

[dapper crag]

https://pokepast.es/0112d4bad94919f6
basic team im running for tmr. Originally had bolt instead of Oger but double follow me feels better to pilot

[mint void]

whats tmrw?

[bold geode]

Well well well
Look who's back

How ya been mfer

[dapper crag]

tourn

[nocturne holly]

I’m good wbu

nice to see that we’re still in the same rule set

is dengo still a good set up Mon or has it switched to more choice item oriented

[bold geode]

We good

[bold geode]

It's barely around now
Not in good spot

[nocturne holly]

😭

why what happened to it

[bold geode]

Anyways as to answer question
Totally not Zam CSR
TOTALLY NOT
WHY WOULD I EVER DO THAT

[bold geode]

Pacing of the meta caught up to it
The only version you'll see now is I think it's Specs? On an AV Miraidon DozoGiri team

[nocturne holly]

dammm

so is like set up kinda cooked now

[bold geode]

Kind of honestly
A lot of the time you'll see these set up moves used as a punish button

There's still a decent amount of set up cores, with Caly Shadow balance still being around a lil and Terapagos CM shit still being around, but it's not like as big prominent as before

[next stump]

https://x.com/johnnychiou36/status/1905993493245538618?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfszOAZ6w

Johnny (@Johnnychiou36) on X

I reached 90% GXE in Reg G Bo3 with a record of 72 wins and 10 losses. This has been a goal I’ve always wanted to achieve, and I’m really happy I finally did it.

I’ll share my team and EV spreads later.

X · Mar 29, 2025, 2:40 PM

holy shit

[charred saddle]

holy fucking god

90% gxe is crazy

also the top 3 is also goddamn insane

89

[nocturne holly]

damn I really liked playing set up

[chrome knot]

not you xd

[spiral ridge]

Jesus

[bold geode]

Yeah sadly it ain't like as basic as that now

[tidal vale]

hey can anyone team build here

[mint void]

what are u looking for tho?

[next stump]

depends what format you want to play

[tidal vale]

it’s a weird format

[spiral ridge]

Calm mind lefties pagos is most similar thing around rn id say

[tidal vale]

it’s OU but with only some Ubers and it’s for like a gen 7 meta game

[next stump]

unfortunately not many people here, if any, play singles

so it'll be hard to get good advice

[nocturne holly]

What restricted r u using rn

Also how is darkshifu

[spiral ridge]

Decent but watershifu is around more

[craggy dagger]

good but also one of those "hard to position" pokemon

[nocturne holly]

I had some good success with it when I was playing by more

What are the good steel types

is dsf core still good

[mint void]

Tera Steel Amoonguss

[tidal vale]

Oh fr

Is this all vgc

[mint void]

Basically

[mint void]

Probably Tinkaton/Heatran

But liie kinda all 9f them are niche

Iron Treads, Arch, Dengo had a tad if usage

[lost sun]

I use arch it's quite good

[bold geode]

1. Dark Shifu is good but Rapid still better honestly
2. Zamazenta

[nocturne holly]

Zama is cool

it has great survivability

idk what restricted ima use

[bold geode]

Zamazenta kinda fell off a cliff
Honestly Calys and bikes are good per usual

Lunala just won a regional
Kyogre ain't bad

[lost sun]

bikes?

[bold geode]

Koraidon
Miraidon

[lost sun]

should I put protect on incin instead of wisp cus the main thing I need it for it cir but my teams already good against cir

[bold geode]

Eh
Try other supporting moves first tbh
Incineroar has a lot of those

[lost sun]

ye but a lot of people go for incin even when my other mon threatens one of theirs

[molten oasis]

Helping hand is funny

[knotty mirage]

I still wonder why they even bother giving it helping hand this gen

[balmy glen]

If MDB,ESM, and I are NOT playing Zama just give up

hang it up

[rustic mountain]

zamas too honest

[bold geode]

Honestly? Don't really care
Imma fuck around with some other shit til this Reg ends but like
I'm honestly done with this Reg

[rustic mountain]

should be getting new format announcement soon

best case would be we get series a or b back for worlds since we never had a regional dex worlds for sv then next year we dual restricted

[balmy glen]

I mean u don’t do majors so it’s fine

[rustic mountain]

unless champions really does line up w/ the end of svs life cycle to take us into gen 10

[dense latch]

something like this would be sick

[rustic mountain]

wen i say best case i mean for me haha id enjoy going back

[balmy glen]

Something like that means Wolfe is winning worlds with perish trap

[rustic mountain]

[balmy glen]

And there’s nothing we can do to stop bro

[rustic mountain]

wolfey w/ perish is crazy

[molten oasis]

[dense latch]

full soundproof team

[balmy glen]

Catch me at worlds with soundproof Kommo

[dense latch]

[rustic mountain]

kommo-o and koraidon once tera is gone:

[molten oasis]

Ong

Those guys when a single flutter shows up

[bold geode]

I mean I shoot for consistency regardless
I'm just done with this format
Next format I'll give it my all too
But for now, we just have fun

[balmy glen]

Popping clang on that kid rn

[molten oasis]

lol

[foggy lodge]

what do you think of Zama Ting-Lu Dozo rn?

[nocturne holly]

Drago what restricted r u using

[molten oasis]

[balmy glen]

This and my worlds team with AV bolt adjustment is like the only real Zama teams rb

[foggy lodge]

Yeah your worlds team has stayed super well in the meta

There's always atleast one person in top cut with it lol

[molten oasis]

most of my restricted career is me playing zacian

[shadow wind]

Commendable

[real prairie]

Evening, miss anything fun?

[molten oasis]

not sure'

[mint void]

No not this time

[atomic mural]

bro thinks im gonna go 0-2

(I 100% will)

[lost sun]

if Ur plan is to lose u can always win

[fluid fiber]

Finally: https://pokepast.es/67c642d7b595f1ea

I think it's done

Minus EVs

[shadow wind]

I don’t understand what’s going on there

[fluid fiber]

Thats fair. It's not a team I'm building for everyone, but I've been extremely confidant piloting it

[shadow wind]

It just seems very passive

[craggy dagger]

coaching?

everything looks fine but im not sure how coaching would help-

[shadow wind]

Same with sunny day

[fluid fiber]

Coaching allows Lilligant and IH to OHKO incin, allows for stored power to stack like crazy as well as get Terapagos to survive a lot of hits above 75% hp so Sinistcha can reset Tera Shell. Sunny day is a bit more niche, but removes Kyogre and rain teams and let's Lilligant move first

Coaching also let's Incin stay even longer with the DEF boost

[foggy lodge]

stored power pagos oh god

[shadow wind]

My brother in Christ Tera stellar on Pagos removes Kyogre rain

🙏

[craggy dagger]

i assume chlorophyll

[shadow wind]

Tera stellar also removes your own sun

[craggy dagger]

also stored power terapagos just isn’t it.
i’ve tried it
and
it just doesn’t work

in other news, i think i just became a groudon fan

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2330844799-3i0vvpflqds0q3y972qjhq5xvq374uupw

[shadow wind]

!!

Groudon gaming

[craggy dagger]

[shadow wind]

I been a Groudon fan since day one

[fluid fiber]

I MIGHT remove stored power, but I like the ability to OHKO Amoongus. If I could I'd do moonblast but Dgleam is the only fairy option

[fluid fiber]

Thats why piloting skills are key

[shadow wind]

Could go flamethrower

[shadow wind]

No that's just bad synergy

[fluid fiber]

True, and sunny day would boost it

[fluid fiber]

Not really, it's really easy to just, not tera when I need sun

I used to run double terrain Terapagos

[shadow wind]

And how have these teams worked out for ya?

[fluid fiber]

On ranked in SV I was high Mball tier with my double terrain

[shadow wind]

So no Bo3?

[fluid fiber]

Idr the ranking, I should've posted the streams on YT

[fluid fiber]

I prefer Bo3, but I haven't been able to put a TON of time into it yet. Currently in the mid 1200s with the one i just pasted, max I've been so far is 1380

But I haven't been at it for too long

[spiral ridge]

Ooo jump sun team

Got one fast groudon or that was a slow kyo lol

[bold geode]

@chrome knot I showed a friend the pool thing and he said "he lagged"

[craggy dagger]

i think the kyogre was slow
groudon is 125 and idt that’s fast

[spiral ridge]

Not terribly fast especially cus your base is lower

[craggy dagger]

nope it’s the same

[shadow wind]

Both base 90

Rayquaza is the only one that's faster

[molten oasis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2330864681 beat the bozo

[shadow wind]

😭

Going miss for miss is crazy

[spiral ridge]

Oh is it? I thought groudon had lower base

Guess just usually runs bulkier

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 383: Groudon

Type

Ground

Abilities

Drought

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/150/140/100/90/90

Total

670

Other Formes

Groudon-Primal

Sableye version 4.28.1

Pokémon No. 382: Kyogre

Type

Water

Abilities

Drizzle

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/100/90/150/140/90

Total

670

Other Formes

Kyogre-Primal

Sableye version 4.28.1

[real prairie]

Ah I've been busy decorating my mud room, so literally watching paint dry

[molten oasis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2330882932 bro hates taunt

[mint void]

hell what is a mud room

Like I see what it is and I see why but why?

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-peter-griffin-id-rather-watch-paint-dry-paint-dry-gif-8572845453388289565

[real prairie]

Dunno, didn't build the house, just live in it 🤣

They are common in the countryside of England, farm houses usually have them so farmers can lose all their dirty gear and enter their house clean

[molten oasis]

Lmao

[cyan smelt]

@real prairie I went 4-3 so didn't make day 2 but at least got a positive wr

[real prairie]

Only 7 rounds? Fair, GGs man

Good experience for 1st regional

[cyan smelt]

For sure

[foggy lodge]

I think suica wins Brisbane

[mint void]

smaller regional

only had 7 rnds day 1

[mint void]

good one mait

[real prairie]

Valid

[foggy lodge]

Yeah brisbane is 9 rounds in total

I think the "big" regionals are from 10 rounds

[mint void]

Hope he has a bad day

[foggy lodge]

In only like 3 days the next regulation should be announced

[left bobcat]

NO

coach is right

If we want to win this it’s on us

[astral kelp]

yet again i ask for source of this lol

[shadow wind]

Sounds like Skraw

[solid frigate]

he's underrated

[shadow wind]

Remembering when I played him 🙏

[astral kelp]

wait behemoth blade isnt a contact move??

[shadow wind]

He’s one of few known players I’ve played

[shadow wind]

Ivy cudgel ain’t

[astral kelp]

LMAO

bro hates poison types

his only damage source is toxic thats hilarious

[shadow wind]

I think I’ve only played 3 VGCers

That I know of anyway

[astral kelp]

didya win

[shadow wind]

Yuppers

Although he was using a clapped team so it’s like whateva

Although that game did make it into a video

[astral kelp]

hypeee

[shadow wind]

But when I played Wolfe I did NOT win

Bro was being a ladder legend with Kingdra

[solid frigate]

2 for me

Jeudy and Yotam

[foggy lodge]

I played FedeCampo on bo3 ladder

[shadow wind]

That’s dope

[foggy lodge]

When he was like top 1 of it

And I won🔥

[shadow wind]

I played Jawnzu on cart ladder

[shadow wind]

Goat

[astral kelp]

whats kindra do even

rain pokemon?

[molten oasis]

Yea once I taunted the eternetus it was over

[foggy lodge]

It was on the perish reg H team

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 230: Kingdra

Types

Water/Dragon

Abilities

Swift Swim, Sniper, Damp (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

75/95/95/95/95/85

Total

540

Sableye version 4.28.1

[foggy lodge]

And its the "kill everything" mode of the team

Politoed Inci Amoonguss Gothitelle was his perish mode and Kingdra Archaludon was his offensive mode

[astral kelp]

oh wow what a dogshit stat line lmao

[foggy lodge]

Yeah its stats are kinda mid

[shadow wind]

I got hit with the kill everything mode 😔

[foggy lodge]

But life orb tera stellar weather ball in rain was not mid lol

[shadow wind]

And rain does indeed beat sand

Especially when my sand team uses Delphox psyspam

[solid frigate]

technically if you think about it

Rain just beats everything-

[shadow wind]

Yes

[foggy lodge]

In reg H yeah

[molten oasis]

Watch reg I be reg h 2

[shadow wind]

It’s the best weather

[foggy lodge]

Rain literally had like 0 bad match ups

[solid frigate]

i am gonna cry.

[astral kelp]

i wanna try an excadrill team

[shadow wind]

Always been like that

[molten oasis]

A9 was a check to it but yea there wasn’t an outright bad mu

[astral kelp]

thats actually kind of an insane statline

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/white-kyurem-legendary-pokemon-tao-trio-dragon-type-pokemon-ice-type-pokemon-gif-3719499543500738301

[astral kelp]

like wtf why is it so good

[mint void]

absolutly not

[molten oasis]

Like a9 helped cuz freeze dry is funny

[tiny karma]

Excadrill [Ground/Steel]

Immune

Electric, Poison

Resists (0.25x)

Rock

Resists (0.5x)

Bug, Dragon, Fairy, Flying, Normal, Psychic, Steel

Neutral damage

Dark, Ghost, Grass, Ice, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Fighting, Fire, Ground, Water

Type Notes

Steel-types cannot be Poisoned.
Ground- and Steel-types take no damage from Sandstorm.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[mint void]

mid af

[foggy lodge]

Kyogre rn can pm beat most teams

[molten oasis]

But did kinda bad into arch which is what chomp was for

[shadow wind]

I love Excadrill

[foggy lodge]

It has a good match up spread

[astral kelp]

thats a lot of resistances too

[molten oasis]

Exca does good in sand and that’s it

[astral kelp]

well obviously

[foggy lodge]

And teams with other rain setters too but like the peak rain was in reg H

[molten oasis]

Guy struggles to do anything elsewhere

[astral kelp]

double speed in sand is kinda crazy

[shadow wind]

I was an Excadrill believer in Reg H

[foggy lodge]

The dominance was crazy

[molten oasis]

Sand was kinda eh

[astral kelp]

oh man these options suck

[molten oasis]

Archa peli almost at the point of degeneracy lol

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/e5b3f78ece6d5e61

Speaking of Reg H Chomp

I did this.

[foggy lodge]

I tried Nils's Excadrill team and it felt pretty strong

[solid frigate]

ttar is GOATED wdym

[astral kelp]

eh

[molten oasis]

That shit was on like every team early on it was so ass

[astral kelp]

rock dark is a disgustingly shit type

[tiny karma]

Tyranitar [Rock/Dark]

Immune

Psychic

Resists (0.5x)

Dark, Fire, Flying, Ghost, Normal, Poison

Neutral damage

Dragon, Electric, Ice, Rock, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Bug, Fairy, Grass, Ground, Steel, Water

Weak (4x)

Fighting

Type Notes

Rock-types take no damage from Sandstorm.
Rock-types have their Special Defense increased by 50% in a Sandstorm.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[foggy lodge]

Also for some reason people just didn't play that core until very late reg H so you didn't face mirrors or barely did

[shadow wind]

Bro forgot we can tera

[astral kelp]

being forced to tera aint fun

[molten oasis]

I’d totally just rock and improve my av bear dengo team

[solid frigate]

+Ttar was good for a long time

ttar never feels bad in any of the generations

[shadow wind]

Not forced, taking advantage of it

[astral kelp]

i guess its because im a pretty new player i dont really get the tyr vision

[solid frigate]

in fact,almost none of the Pseudos are bad (looking at you base goodra)

[shadow wind]

Metagross has been mid since the horses

Maybe even before that

[solid frigate]

Salamence,Garchomp and Metagross won Worlds before

Hydreigon,Dragapult and Ttar are consistent before (Not even Fairies can take down Hydreigon)

Kommo-o was solid in Gen 7 and now dnite got its best archetype for it

[astral kelp]

ive never seen anyone use iron thorns what does he do?

[solid frigate]

nothing

just worse ttar

[tiny karma]

Iron Thorns [Rock/Electric]

Resists (0.25x)

Flying

Resists (0.5x)

Electric, Fire, Normal, Poison

Neutral damage

Bug, Dark, Dragon, Fairy, Ghost, Ice, Psychic, Rock, Steel, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Fighting, Grass, Water

Weak (4x)

Ground

Type Notes

Electric-types cannot be paralyzed.
Rock-types take no damage from Sandstorm.
Rock-types have their Special Defense increased by 50% in a Sandstorm.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[astral kelp]

ehhh

ehhhh

[solid frigate]

no sand stream, and typing does not make sense to pair with Miraidon or any archetype

[astral kelp]

lol his move pool is hilarious

[left bobcat]

A

[solid frigate]

if you want an Electric Mon i would just run something else like Eleki or Kilowatterl

[astral kelp]

nah i was just looking at it lol

[solid frigate]

if Reg H really did rerun i might just gonna do Garchomp stuff

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-garchomp-carchacrok-knakrack-hisui-gif-2503219650669088921

https://pokepast.es/e5b3f78ece6d5e61

[astral kelp]

oh bruh he cant even get the speed boost unless i go -atk

what a worthless pokemon lmfao

[solid frigate]

you ain't running Iron Thorns or Ttar like mf fast

[spiral ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-ninetales-shiny-gif-14762971201112414172

Shit that’s not alolan is it

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-alolan-ninetales-aurora-veil-pokemon-anime-ninetales-aurora-veil-gif-25404925

[astral kelp]

nah im not gonna run iron thorns i was just curious on what he does

[spiral ridge]

Why are you there

[astral kelp]

a9 is one of my favorite mons man

i love aurora veil

pretty good spa and as far as ice types go pretty good typing

[molten oasis]

So pretty

[spiral ridge]

It’s pretty mon

[molten oasis]

I like a9 so much

[spiral ridge]

I love it

[solid frigate]

actually i dont have an issue against it cuz i just Incin that thing

[molten oasis]

Only good think about reg h a9 was meta

[foggy lodge]

Nah its spa is shit lmao

I ran specs A9 because it did 0 damage otherwise

💀

[solid frigate]

the only thing it can OHKO is Garchomp lmao

wait does it

[foggy lodge]

Yeah it does

It can kill things like Amoonguss but meh

If its not super effective you are not getting even the 2HKO with it lmao

[astral kelp]

i wanna try something like this

could be good

[solid frigate]

0 SpA Ninetales-Alola Blizzard vs. 76 HP / 24 SpD Garchomp: 172-208 (89.1 - 107.7%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO

LMFAO WAIT

[molten oasis]

I mean

[astral kelp]

just go max spa mas speed sash

ezpz

[solid frigate]

252 SpA Ninetales-Alola Blizzard vs. 76 HP / 24 SpD Garchomp: 232-276 (120.2 - 143%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Thats still feels barely

[molten oasis]

A9 is better in low power formats because it’s damage has more value

Chip damage is valuable

[astral kelp]

honestly i think i might not even need sash

the only reason im running it is because it has a lot of weaknesses

tailwind aveil is crazy

[solid frigate]

i just run Garchomp with slight bulk honestly,of course i can run more bulk but its just does not feel threatening anymore

252 SpA Ninetales-Alola Freeze-Dry vs. 76 HP / 24 SpD Garchomp: 196-232 (101.5 - 120.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Holy shit that still feel barely

[foggy lodge]

Told you

[astral kelp]

i need to ev this guy bnetter

[foggy lodge]

Like I even tried never melt ice

It was still mid asf

[astral kelp]

just going 252 hp is lazy as hell

[tiny karma]

Kyurem-White [Dragon/Ice]

Resists (0.5x)

Electric, Grass, Water

Neutral damage

Bug, Dark, Fire, Flying, Ghost, Ground, Ice, Normal, Poison, Psychic, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Dragon, Fairy, Fighting, Rock, Steel

Type Notes

Ice-types cannot be Frozen.
Ice-types have their Defense increased by 50% in Snow.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[mint void]

u can EV for Zacian or for Zama

[astral kelp]

i should ev him to be physically bulky

survive urshifu cc

[mint void]

+1

[foggy lodge]

You can pretend that you need bulk and invest to survive things like low kick hands or something but you pm just need 252 speed 252 spa lol

[solid frigate]

if Chomp can live a -1 Blizzard there is something wrong about it
-1 252 SpA Ninetales-Alola Blizzard vs. 76 HP / 24 SpD Garchomp: 156-184 (80.8 - 95.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[astral kelp]

its an aurora veil team id rather be bulky

[solid frigate]

and i keep spamming Chomp Sylveon in Reg H

[foggy lodge]

I tried Sylveon

It was such a fraud

[astral kelp]

252+ Atk Urshifu-Single Strike Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Kyurem-White: 248-294 (106.8 - 126.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[foggy lodge]

I'd rather use specs Primarina than Sylveon lol

[foggy lodge]

Consider that snow boosts your defense lol

[astral kelp]

true good point

well in snow i always survive it

252+ Atk Urshifu-Single Strike Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Kyurem-White in Snow: 168-198 (72.4 - 85.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO easily

[solid frigate]

196 SpA Expert Belt Quark Drive Iron Crown Tachyon Cutter (2 hits) vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Kyurem-White through Light Screen: 164-196 (70.6 - 84.4%) -- approx. 2HKO

I can't-

https://tenor.com/view/hsr-honkai-honkai-star-rail-star-rail-herta-gif-4071677616226591215

[astral kelp]

so ig i should ev to survive fluttermane moonblast

[solid frigate]

if you are tera fire you should be fine

but Kyurem should live a moonblast normally

252 SpA Flutter Mane Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Kyurem-White: 168-198 (72.4 - 85.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[astral kelp]

252 SpA Flutter Mane Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Kyurem-White: 168-198 (72.4 - 85.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO yea easily lives

[solid frigate]

like they have to tera fairy to be able to kill you

[astral kelp]

man kyurem is so tanky

[solid frigate]

i mean its a pokemon with 700 BST

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 646: Kyurem-White

Types

Dragon/Ice

Abilities

Turboblaze

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

125/120/90/170/100/95

Total

700

Base Species

Kyurem

Sableye version 4.28.1

[left bobcat]

Ursh

[astral kelp]

yeah its stats are pretty crazy

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 666: Vivillon

Types

Bug/Flying

Abilities

Shield Dust, Compound Eyes, Friend Guard (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

80/52/50/90/50/89

Total

411

Other Formes

Vivillon-Fancy, Vivillon-Pokeball

Sableye version 4.28.1

[astral kelp]

its mor elike a 600 bst pokemon because it has 120 evs into atk

[foggy lodge]

Ain't no way fucking Vivillon has more special attack than A9

Istg

[astral kelp]

it doesnt

[foggy lodge]

It does

[lost sun]

don't really use wisp on incin what should I swap it for

[astral kelp]

wait

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 38: Ninetales-Alola

Types

Ice/Fairy

Abilities

Snow Cloak, Snow Warning (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

73/67/75/81/100/109

Total

505

Base Species

Ninetales

Sableye version 4.28.1

[astral kelp]

omg it does what the fuck??

[solid frigate]

moment.

[foggy lodge]

I don't remember what Vivillon set I ran in reg H

I think it was tailwind sleep powder hurricane protect

Rage powder Vivillon was a fraud

[solid frigate]

Vivillon-Pokeball @ Focus Sash
Ability: Compound Eyes
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk

• Sleep Powder
• Tailwind
• Pollen Puff
• Protect

I just run this

[foggy lodge]

I used hurricane cuz i could just double up into amoonguss with a weak hit and it died anyways

So it was pinned pm all the time

[astral kelp]

yeah idk why you would run rage powder on vivilion

why rage powder when you can just sleep smh

might as well just run among us

i was cooking some dumb shit like this

[spiral ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-snealser-sneasel-gif-24941149

[solid frigate]

good lord what am i looking at.

[solid frigate]

also not that much issue

[astral kelp]

that team actually did pretyy well if you ignore the wo-chien

i ended up on this

[lost sun]

that looks like it would struggle against koraidon teams

[molten oasis]

Tf

[astral kelp]

not really

comfey kinda shits on koraidon hilariously enough

[solid frigate]

i wanna throw up.

[lost sun]

would force it to swap or terra tbf

[astral kelp]

yeah its not bad

the matchup i strugled with was like wolfeys team

[solid frigate]

or just Tera Fire Flame Charge it

[solid frigate]

thats a Koraidon team-

[astral kelp]

yeah but its not the koraidon part that i struggle with its the persih song part

[lost sun]

ye but if they lead pogos comfey they could just double up with earth power

[solid frigate]

yeah but

At this point just Star Storm it

[lost sun]

true

does koraidon 1 shot terrad pogos

[solid frigate]

the main 3 i would consider Pagos has a hard MU,Koraidon,Zama and CIR

[solid frigate]

if you EV right it can

but Close Combat+Lorb ruined the calc

[lost sun]

what's the extra damage for it's signature move

[astral kelp]

eh

[dense latch]

deals extra if it’s super effective if that’s what you’re asking

1.33x

[astral kelp]

now that i think more about it its true that koraidon should be a hard macthup but i havent really struggled with him for some reason idk

[lost sun]

thx

[gentle crag]

alexr8698 has given 1 Gen Rep to eriksp

[astral kelp]

prollyu because they dont expect fucking comfey to one shot koraidon with priority

[lost sun]

draining kiss +3 prio damn

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/0fe3147a16f26a92

I think this team work

[foggy lodge]

Earth power pagos kinda fraud

[solid frigate]

i disagree,like genuinely i don't see the appeal through Subsitute Pagos

[foggy lodge]

To not die lol

[solid frigate]

dude at this point i rather self heal from allies and not get Wide Guard Baited-

[foggy lodge]

I tried it and substitute felt super strong cuz you just stall a lot and even get the tera shell back behind substitute

[left bobcat]

You must accept it

You just have to

Because

[astral kelp]

koraidon feels really hard to pilot

i think its just because hes kinda frail

[sudden sapphire]

And he's got some big threats in the meta

[astral kelp]

yeah he cant really deal with csr

and hes really bad in trick room

[next stump]

you say that but wolfey designed his koraidon specifically for CSR

[astral kelp]

cuz hes built different

[next stump]

jolly life orb KOs all of them, but they’re starting to speed creed up now

[astral kelp]

my koraidon cant tho lol

[next stump]

that’s why a lot of koraidon has ditto as well

CSR hatessss seeing tera normal ditto

[astral kelp]

im doing some weird stuff

i got flutter to murder csr

and scovillain actually does a pretty good job

my main issue tbh is trick room

maybe ill run ursaluna

[foggy lodge]

Dude bo3 is so slow lol

I made a new account and im 10-1 rn and I'm only at 1280

[astral kelp]

i know right

whats a physical attacker that likes sun and trick room

lmfao mudsdale

did you know that mudsdale is like one of the heaviest mons in the game

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 750: Mudsdale

Type

Ground

Abilities

Own Tempo, Stamina, Inner Focus (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/125/100/55/85/35

Total

500

Weight (Low Kick BP)

920kg (120 BP)

Height

2.5m

Introduced

Generation 7

Pre-evolution

Mudbray

Egg groups

Field

Gender Ratio

M: 50%, F: 50%

Color

Brown

Sableye version 4.28.1

[astral kelp]

920kg

[lost sun]

Ur telling me that archaludon is 15x lighter than mudsdale

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 1018: Archaludon

Types

Steel/Dragon

Abilities

Stamina, Sturdy, Stalwart (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

90/105/130/125/65/85

Total

600

Weight (Low Kick BP)

60kg (80 BP)

Height

2m

Introduced

Generation 9

Pre-evolution

Duraludon

Egg groups

Mineral, Dragon

Gender Ratio

M: 50%, F: 50%

Color

White

Sableye version 4.28.1

[astral kelp]

yup

hilarious right

[lost sun]

ik mudsdale was heavy thought it was like 700kg but never expected arch to be less than 300kg

[feral valley]

I have a question

when yall load into a doubles match and u see a kleavor on the enemy team, what do u expect it to do

[solid frigate]

Double Stab,Swords Dance Protect

Usually i just do this

[feral valley]

okay cool thx

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/urshifu-pokemon-pokemon-sword-and-shield-pokemon-journeys-urshifu-move-gif-24747047

[gentle crag]

dus2_ has given 1 Gen Rep to morrispxg456

[next stump]

choice scarf with the rocks setting move

[feral valley]

nice

perfect

[tiny karma]

Kleavor's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Aerial Ace, Assurance, Bide, Brick Break, Brutal Swing, Bug Bite, Close Combat, Counter, Cross Poison, Cut, Double Hit, Double-Edge, Dual Wingbeat, Facade, False Swipe, Feint, Frustration, Fury Cutter, Giga Impact, Headbutt, Knock Off, Lunge, Natural Gift, Night Slash, Pounce, Psycho Cut, Pursuit, Quick Attack, Rage, Return, Reversal, Rock Blast, Rock Slide, Rock Smash, Rock Tomb, Secret Power, Skitter Smack, Skull Bash, Slash, Smack Down, Steel Wing, Stone Axe, Stone Edge, Take Down, Thief, Trailblaze, U-turn, Wing Attack, X-Scissor

Special Moves

Air Cutter, Air Slash, Bug Buzz, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Ominous Wind, Razor Wind, Round, Silver Wind, Snore, Struggle Bug, Swift, Tera Blast, Vacuum Wave

Status Moves

Agility, Attract, Baton Pass, Captivate, Confide, Curse, Defog, Detect, Double Team, Endure, Focus Energy, Helping Hand, Laser Focus, Leer, Light Screen, Mimic, Morning Sun, Protect, Quick Guard, Rain Dance, Rest, Roost, Safeguard, Sandstorm, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Stealth Rock, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Swords Dance, Tailwind, Toxic

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Kleavor.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[solid frigate]

but yeah if you have Urshifu you should not worry

[feral valley]

I'm running a slightly different kleavor set with tailwind

[solid frigate]

...

[feral valley]

:)

[solid frigate]

if its reg H i have nothing to say cuz we did see scyther

[feral valley]

no reg g

[solid frigate]

but your mon just fucking dies to Kyogre and Groudon-

[feral valley]

it's ok

I have my own kyogre

[solid frigate]

sure you can have stuff against Calyrex Ice but like

[feral valley]

oh ya dw

[solid frigate]

at this point just run Cornerstone Ogerpon

[feral valley]

naur i need tailwind

in case

trust

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/tornadus-tornelos-legendary-pokemon-forces-of-nature-pokemon-gif-1274991124798249907

torndus exists for a reason.

[molten oasis]

Tornadus my goat

[feral valley]

I have a strat I'm cooking up haven't tested it yet

[feral valley]

he's on my current team but I wanna change it up and not rely on legendaries haha

[solid frigate]

look i am gonna be honest and if you feel offended then womp womp

You aren't that guy lmao

[left bobcat]

This is what the world sounds like

[cyan smelt]

After using Conner's team I see I was handicapping myself before

[solid frigate]

like lets be real:
Typing sucks
Kyogre needs fast tailwind
Cornerstone Ogerpon fullfills Kleavor’s role as a Offensive Rock type
Stats is kinda mediocre if i recall
Tera Hog
gets fucked by Urshifu and other common meta threats

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 900: Kleavor

Types

Bug/Rock

Abilities

Swarm, Sheer Force, Sharpness (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

70/135/95/45/70/85

Total

500

Sableye version 4.28.1

[solid frigate]

yeah the speed sucks ASSSSS

[lost sun]

works in tw if u give it 52 speed evs

[molten oasis]

…

There’s nothing wrong with relying on legendaries

[solid frigate]

dude he wants kleavor as the tw setter

[molten oasis]

My current team is literally all legendaries

[lost sun]

tf

[solid frigate]

4/6 mons in my miraidon core are legendaries

[lost sun]

tw to set up tw🗣️

[feral valley]

I want something that ppl don't ecpect

if they see torn they know what's cominy

[lost sun]

what's core mean I see people say it a lot

[solid frigate]

Again if you somehow rebuttal everything

URSHIFU FUCKING EXIST

[feral valley]

if u see a kleavor u won't expect it

[feral valley]

so what?

[molten oasis]

This doesn’t work that well

[left bobcat]

Wait kleavor knows tw?

[cyan smelt]

Kleavor gonna get koed before it does anything

[feral valley]

EXACTLY

[lost sun]

I'd expect to 1 shot the kleavor

[solid frigate]

yeah but why slow tw when you have Tornadus,Whimsicott,Roaring Moon,Iron Jugilus

[molten oasis]

Like having the edge of surprise only works on lower level players

[left bobcat]

And me

[solid frigate]

cu Kleavor is a Urshifu food

[molten oasis]

Kleavor also fucking sucks lmao

[solid frigate]

bro is prankster Flack0

[molten oasis]

Like here

https://pokepast.es/3c436c050d7672bd this team is gas imo, and its all legendaries

[left bobcat]

[gentle crag]

l_delacruz__ has given 1 Gen Rep to morrispxg456

[molten oasis]

And it works well because they’re all strong mons

[solid frigate]

Hell if you play VGC restricted formats you gonna have like a few legendaries

or some paradox mons

[left bobcat]

Or just all legendaries

[molten oasis]

Restricted formats literally hard encourage one legendary at the very very minimum

[lost sun]

use a non legendary team to surprise Ur opponents 🗣️

[molten oasis]

The opponent will just surging strikes and then boom it’s dead

[cyan smelt]

If you don't want to use legendaries hope you enjoy losing

[solid frigate]

the only reason why My Greninja does not suck cuz it actually is fast enough to threat stuff

[lost sun]

if the goals to lose u always win

[solid frigate]

and it synergise shockingly well with CIR

[latent leaf]

Just have fun

[solid frigate]

So lets say compare my reasoning towards my Greninja CIR vs Kleavor Kyogre

I actually have legit reason to use it

[astral kelp]

i mean you can win without legendaries but you kinda need at least a restricted

[lost sun]

cosmoem for more surprise

[solid frigate]

or like something that can actually act as a Sub DPS if you know what i mean

[astral kelp]

yeah you need something lol

[molten oasis]

The best format for no legends is early formats or formats like reg h

[lost sun]

what about greg

[astral kelp]

anyways what does zamazenta usually rtun

[left bobcat]

We all need something

[lost sun]

wide guard body press protect and heavy slam

[astral kelp]

not really feeling any of these in my sand team lmao

[solid frigate]

like for example ,Iron Crown and Greninja

Both arent Meta in anyway but they at least act as a Niche to beat the crap out of restricteds and see some use cases(I defended so hard on the Greninja use case)

[lost sun]

or behemoth bash

[astral kelp]

ofc ofc

[solid frigate]

oh yeah that made me run Tera Water on CIR lmao

Also resist water spout woo

[lost sun]

fair

I like when people terra water cir cus they always open with cir so I just eshot it with arch and either they terra and lose it or lose it next turn

and if they terra to grass I just ice beam with kyogre and win

[left bobcat]

Bleh

[solid frigate]

Yveltal moment

[molten oasis]

Ah Greg, we love Greg

[lost sun]

fr

Greg is love Greg is life

[solid frigate]

greninja use case summarised

[cyan smelt]

I think I said it wouldn't work lol

[astral kelp]

wtf why does houndoon have soundrush thats so random