competitive_discussion

[lost sun]

eh

csr ain't a problem for me mainly just moon

bulky mofo

[molten oasis]

Oof

[shadow wind]

Gotta have that mentality to win !

[astral kelp]

you can just look it up by searching gravity on the menu thing

[cyan smelt]

have you tried urshifu to deal with moon

[molten oasis]

I am 12-3 with zacian wake tho

[cyan smelt]

or hands

[lost sun]

no

also no

moons psychic I doubt either of those would help

[cyan smelt]

it's dark/dragon

[molten oasis]

Lost to the fckn CSR team cuz I messed up my bolt’s evs and then the other games I lost to RNGsus

[lost sun]

oh I mean lunala

looks like a moon

💀

[shadow wind]

😭

[cyan smelt]

with urshifu dark you at least force a tera

[lost sun]

they terra it all the time anyway

that's what archaludons good for cus it either forces no terra then indeedee shadow balls or I flash cannon it if it's fairy

[cyan smelt]

i think gravity would help you, sableye is good

[lost sun]

would it help me not get crit against

[cyan smelt]

that's just bad rng, you gotta end the games quickly to avoid crits

[lost sun]

they don't even happen at the start it's always when it's the only option

[shadow wind]

Either position to make it impossible to lose or stop complaining

[cyan smelt]

i'd say that's a matter of positioning then

[shadow wind]

Everyone gets crit, everyone misses, and everyone gets screwed over by the game

[lost sun]

LeBron don't miss🗣️

I should just swap no guard on kyogre

[shadow wind]

😭

[cyan smelt]

wolfey don't miss because he uses incineroar

[lost sun]

fr who uses incin

mines just there to scare people into thinking they need to prepare for incin

[shadow wind]

I use Incineroar once in a blue moon

[cyan smelt]

you could use gravity bronzong, tr answer and gyro ball for tera fairies

[lost sun]

incin won me a game against cir earlier with wisp

[lost sun]

bronzing for indeedee ?

[cyan smelt]

if you don't mind losing psychic terrain

but sableye is prolly better

[shadow wind]

Well if you need a Bronzong set I got one

My glorious king

LeBronzong James (Bronzong) @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Levitate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 148 Atk / 108 Def / 252 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spe

• Gyro Ball
• Hypnosis
• Gravity
• Trick Room

[cyan smelt]

caly s is usually 252 spe timid right

[lost sun]

gonna use bronzing instead of indeedee

[shadow wind]

As long as they aren't like min speed CSR it'll be 150 BP

[cyan smelt]

tr flutter sure is fun

are calys usually max max because i thought they were running some bulk now

[shadow wind]

TR Flutter barely works in Bo3

I'm becoming too honest of a teambuilder

[lost sun]

most common one has 252 speed and some physical bulk

[shadow wind]

My Bo1 days are behind me

148 Atk Bronzong Gyro Ball (150 BP) vs. 140 HP / 4 Def Tera Fairy Calyrex-Shadow: 216-254 (111.9 - 131.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Well if they Tera fairy they'll never see it coming

I think I might make this team in game

[cyan smelt]

where'd you get that caly-s spread from

[shadow wind]

It's served me good enough

I put in Calyrex Shadow and clicked "Setup Sweeper"

[cyan smelt]

which calculator is that?

[shadow wind]

https://calc.pokemonshowdown.com

[cyan smelt]

is it more accurate than the nerd of now one

[shadow wind]

I'm really lazy and usually use the premade sets in there

No clue

I just like it

I've just used it forever

[cyan smelt]

this does seem up-to-date

oh man there's no way i can calc it for skeledirge to live

[shadow wind]

Rest in Peace Skeledirge 😔

[cyan smelt]

i guess i can never bring it against caly-s or i'll just have to wide guard

[shadow wind]

Yeah it doesn't seem like the greatest CSR answer

[cyan smelt]

i probably just have to force it to tera to fairy or whatever with chien pao then behemoth bash it

[rustic mountain]

skele sucks rn

[molten oasis]

Most starters suck rn

[rustic mountain]

agree

[shadow wind]

Except the ones with fake out

[molten oasis]

Like unless ur incin or rilla why lmao

[cyan smelt]

if i don't use it i struggle against dozo

[shadow wind]

Barring a certain turtle

[rustic mountain]

dude there so many tools for dozo rn wtf u using skele for

[molten oasis]

You’re running Skele for dozo?

[shadow wind]

Groudon is a starter in my heart

[cyan smelt]

i prolly need to abandon my team then since it's no good

[rustic mountain]

skele was like a series a dozo answer

[molten oasis]

Zacian would be my starter if it was an option, but that wouldn’t be a fun campaign

[rustic mountain]

its severely outclassed unfortunately rn

[molten oasis]

Anyway uh, into dozo you can run amoonguss, overpower it, intimidate cycle it, fake out cycle it

[shadow wind]

Tree could I get you to look at a team real quick? Just a "Wow that's stupid" kinda look nothing too indepth

[molten oasis]

It’s annoying but it’s 100% manageable

[rustic mountain]

sure

[shadow wind]

https://pokepast.es/9a6657b0ebfffca0

[cyan smelt]

i'm not a good teambuilder

[molten oasis]

Mirai shreds it

[shadow wind]

You might've seen it already I have posted it a few times but I think it's been one of my better teams

[molten oasis]

Zong’s cool

[rustic mountain]

lmao nice i mean other then the bronzong set the team seems good. not even the bronzong being bad necessarily just more cheese based

[molten oasis]

How’s it doing so far

[shadow wind]

Still deciding if I want to make it on cart but it's been good on Bo3 ladder

[molten oasis]

That’s nice

[shadow wind]

Got me to T100 but I'm not sure if it's reliable yet

I've been loving the slow Ogerpon

[molten oasis]

Ah, well you got something at least

[shadow wind]

Also thank you very much

[molten oasis]

It’s doing good

[shadow wind]

Yeah

Gravity is nice for hitting flying types like Lando and Peli

And if I can get a cheeky hypnosis off on a CIR why not

[rustic mountain]

gravity hypnosis is just cheese centric to me forever. its great utility for enabling groudon and 1 of its major flaws

[shadow wind]

Oh yeah it's very cheesy

But Groudon loves cheese

[rustic mountain]

not that it still cant be effective

if it works it works

[molten oasis]

Honesty is overrated (I say this playing zacian)

[shadow wind]

I'm allowing it cause it's Bo3

They know what's going on

Although the amount of people that have been like "Wow weather ball on Raging Bolt? I didn't even look" is depressing

[rustic mountain]

i think even in bo1 its fine even if i detest some1 running it

[molten oasis]

It would definitely feel like cheese in bo1

[shadow wind]

I mean what else is Bronzong gonna do

[rustic mountain]

idbp stuff

[molten oasis]

Fair point

I forgot it has that

[shadow wind]

I tried idbp on Zong but it just didn't work

This was also back when UrsaBM was used more

[molten oasis]

There’s better IDBP mons

cough cough zama

[shadow wind]

I tried Slowbro IDBP

[rustic mountain]

honestly getting top 100 bo3 w/ it, w/e ur doing is obviously working

[molten oasis]

I know it doesn’t use it but it’s better at it

[rustic mountain]

im jus saying like there are technically other things u could do w/ it

[shadow wind]

Oh for sure

[rustic mountain]

not u specifically more the generalized sense

[tiny karma]

Bronzong's moveset:

Physical Moves

Body Press, Body Slam, Bulldoze, Earthquake, Explosion, Facade, Feint Attack, Frustration, Giga Impact, Gyro Ball, Hard Press, Heavy Slam, Ice Spinner, Iron Head, Natural Gift, Payback, Return, Rock Blast, Rock Slide, Rock Smash, Rock Tomb, Rollout, Secret Power, Steel Roller, Stomping Tantrum, Strength, Tackle, Take Down, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Ancient Power, Charge Beam, Confusion, Dream Eater, Expanding Force, Extrasensory, Flash Cannon, Future Sight, Grass Knot, Hex, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Meteor Beam, Night Shade, Power Gem, Psybeam, Psychic, Psychic Noise, Psyshock, Psywave, Round, Shadow Ball, Signal Beam, Snore, Solar Beam, Steel Beam, Stored Power, Tera Blast, Weather Ball

Status Moves

Ally Switch, Block, Calm Mind, Confide, Confuse Ray, Double Team, Endure, Flash, Gravity, Guard Swap, Heal Block, Helping Hand, Hypnosis, Imprison, Iron Defense, Light Screen, Metal Sound, Power Swap, Protect, Psych Up, Psychic Terrain, Rain Dance, Recycle, Reflect, Rest, Rock Polish, Safeguard, Sandstorm, Skill Swap, Sleep Talk, Speed Swap, Stealth Rock, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Telekinesis, Toxic, Trick, Trick Room, Wonder Room

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Bronzong.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[molten oasis]

skill swap

[shadow wind]

I was actually going to do skill swap with Heatran until I realized that's the dumbest thing I've ever though of

[rustic mountain]

well yea but if ur slotting groudon as ur restricted then thats not really an option. idbp would be more to counter cir which i imagine gives his team problems the most

[molten oasis]

Yea

That makes sense

[shadow wind]

I saw an idbp Urshifu yesterday

[molten oasis]

hoodra

Oh not that team

Hold on lemme find it

[rustic mountain]

i faced a drain punch urshi the other day

[shadow wind]

Drain punch just doesn't belong on him

Iron hands does it better

[rustic mountain]

for sure

[molten oasis]

Nvm I’m gonna be scrolling for ages

I remember seeing a team with just, super weird sets

[rustic mountain]

like either run cc or just forgo the fighting coverage like some ppl, drain punch is crazy

[molten oasis]

And it top cut or won some online tournament

[shadow wind]

Ew

I didn't think my Moon set was working until I played against hands

[molten oasis]

@bold geode do you have that team with IDBP shifu?

[shadow wind]

Breaking swipe is goated

[rustic mountain]

online tours are tricky, not to take away any1 doing well in them but theres a lot less quality players competing and it gives more way to weirder stuff being more successful. unless its japan they are goated

[molten oasis]

I know it was still funny

[shadow wind]

I always used Breaking swipe Gouging so I thought, "Why not Roaring Moon"?

I think this is the first time Roaring Moon has worked for me

[rustic mountain]

ur roaring moon

[shadow wind]

Huh?

[rustic mountain]

[shadow wind]

Why am I Roaring Moon? 😔

[rustic mountain]

its like a joke someone says something and u say "ur such and such"

[molten oasis]

I played support moon for a while it wasn’t enough lol

[shadow wind]

Roaring doesn't even look like a word to me right now

[molten oasis]

But it’s also cuz I think the flying coverage was needed to help with some mu issues

[shadow wind]

I thought I spelt it wrong or somethin

[rustic mountain]

lmao no

[molten oasis]

I get it

I think when I spell a word enough times it’ll eventually look weird

[shadow wind]

I can't even fully use Acro moon

[rustic mountain]

moon is cool

[shadow wind]

I really like sash moon

[rustic mountain]

its awkward to use at times tho

[molten oasis]

Moon is really fun

[shadow wind]

I have to lead it with Groudon most times but like

That isn't a problem

[molten oasis]

I think it can get stuck on the field being useless sometimes

Which kinda sucks

[rustic mountain]

that and like a lot threatens it

[shadow wind]

Yeah for sure

My set gets walled by fairy types

[molten oasis]

That sounds about right lmao

[shadow wind]

And lowkey that's ok

[rustic mountain]

always trade offs

[shadow wind]

Exactly

[rustic mountain]

thats like oh koraidon is walled by pelipper wat do i do and look how that turned out

[molten oasis]

What’s a pelipper

[shadow wind]

Groudon is also walled by Peli

😔

[molten oasis]

Haven’t seen one of those in a while

[rustic mountain]

exactly

[molten oasis]

Kinda glad it fell off tbh

[rustic mountain]

i like peli

[molten oasis]

It’s more like

[rustic mountain]

its around but its just way less common

[shadow wind]

I hate peli

[molten oasis]

I’m glad it’s not used as much cuz I’d try and use it and just fail

[rustic mountain]

ofc u would lmao

[molten oasis]

It’s stats are so weird

[shadow wind]

As a Groudon player, Peli is the worst thing to ever exist

[molten oasis]

Slow tailwind sucks

[rustic mountain]

not inherently

[molten oasis]

For Zac

Slow tailwind was sorta bad for it

[rustic mountain]

well rn its not good

[molten oasis]

I also just, generally prefer torn to peli but I get why peli is used

[shadow wind]

Whims is seeing a rise in usage I feel

[rustic mountain]

i jus mean overall slow tw isnt bad, plenty of non prankster mons have used it to success. but w/ the way the power lvl and format is rn yea its not strong

[molten oasis]

It has never clicked for me

[molten oasis]

Yea

Think it’s format dependent

[rustic mountain]

def

[shadow wind]

I think it's more meta dependent

[rustic mountain]

thats why i said inherently its not bad tho

ive preferred it quite often on certain comps myself

[molten oasis]

Yea like, we saw what peli Archa could do, it’s a good Mon but it’s not great rn

[shadow wind]

Also I realized ditto got nerfed in Gen 9

[molten oasis]

It did?

[shadow wind]

No taking abilities with Proto mons is like a death sentence

[molten oasis]

Oh

[rustic mountain]

its still been showing up

[shadow wind]

Oh for sure

[molten oasis]

I know just not as much

[shadow wind]

But when it has to go against flutters and moons it just struggles

[rustic mountain]

ditto was never a meta defining mon even in restricted formats, its just around more

[molten oasis]

Oh I thought you were talking about peli

[rustic mountain]

oh nah

[molten oasis]

And like, yea, ditto’s a hard Mon to run

[rustic mountain]

we swapped to ditto

[shadow wind]

Purple goop

[rustic mountain]

ditto is high risk high reward

[molten oasis]

Purple goop guy who can give you another restricted

[shadow wind]

Nah I like transform Smeargle more

Transform into your own restricted !

[molten oasis]

Eww

[shadow wind]

Now there's 2 Miraidons on the field with 2 CM buffs

[rustic mountain]

does that even work i feel like it wouldnt

[molten oasis]

Idt it does

[shadow wind]

In Bo1 anything can work

[rustic mountain]

idt it can even trace transform

[shadow wind]

Oh it can learn it

[molten oasis]

Idk about ANYTHING

[shadow wind]

I've played against it

[molten oasis]

But a lot of dumb shit can work in bo1

[rustic mountain]

nd it worked?

[shadow wind]

Yup

[molten oasis]

Huh

[rustic mountain]

wtf lmao

[shadow wind]

2 Miraidons staring me down sure was a sight to behold

[molten oasis]

I got transformed imprisoned by a smeargle once

That was dumb lol

[shadow wind]

Yeah

[rustic mountain]

if ur imposter wat would it matter

[molten oasis]

Idk

[bold geode]

Donghum Youm on Twitter
Scroll a lil

[rustic mountain]

u scroll

[bold geode]

No

[craggy dagger]

ironpress shifu

[molten oasis]

But the smeargle clicked imprison and then clicked transform on my zacian and it was forced to struggle

I was livid

[rustic mountain]

oh lmfao

[molten oasis]

It’s funny to look back on but I would have won that match if that didn’t happen

[rustic mountain]

if i lose to something like that ill be kinda annoyed but like, they got their 1 win vs me. there wont be a 2nd now that ik wat they r doing

[molten oasis]

Yea true

[rustic mountain]

usually if im able to get the runback i take it

[molten oasis]

Yea fair enough, that just rarely happens to me

I’ll either fall or climb ladder enough where I don’t see them

[rustic mountain]

im not saying it happens frequently but depends, usually if its a certain time of day where the pool is smaller u get a higher chance of running into the same ppl

[molten oasis]

I think I fought some dude like 3 times once

[rustic mountain]

yea ive had that

[shadow wind]

Man how does this even make sense as an ability

[rustic mountain]

lmao

i thought u were all about bo3 now

[shadow wind]

Me too

I didn't even know Tsareena had a different ability

[rustic mountain]

[molten oasis]

Found it https://x.com/playmaker708/status/1894228375566188986?s=46

[rustic mountain]

2 others acually

[shadow wind]

Yeah

[rustic mountain]

leaf guard goated

[molten oasis]

The uh, IDBP shifu team

[craggy dagger]

does transform also change your hp stat

[molten oasis]

No

[craggy dagger]

i see

[molten oasis]

It’s the one stat that doesn’t change

[rustic mountain]

local it all makes sense now

[molten oasis]

Oh that’s rosmontis cool

[molten oasis]

Yep, still a crazy team

[rustic mountain]

idbp urshi isnt even the craziest part, overheat eject pack incin might be

[molten oasis]

Lmao

I just noticed that

[shadow wind]

I think this might be the greatest team I've ever made

This is the first time I haven't complained about a team

The moment you start hating a team it's game over

What's this team from? I see it kinda often

[molten oasis]

Uh

I think that did well at a regional

[shadow wind]

It's cool

I like cloak Chi yu

Dang

My climb will stop there I guess

Ah nah Showdown just taxed my elo

Moved a whole 6 spots, awesome !

My GXE feels so low on this ladder

Also I love how Roaring moon outspeeds non speed boosting natures 135ers

[torn parrot]

WOOOWOOOOOOOOOOO

NICE JOB CONNER

[shadow wind]

I feel like this image right now

[cyan smelt]

I feel like I don't know what to use but my current team ain't working

[shadow wind]

Wanna use mine?

[cyan smelt]

I'll give it a go, maybe it'll give me some ideas

[shadow wind]

https://pokepast.es/44eb4a84da85d077

[cyan smelt]

Maybe I should just use this for the weekend

[shadow wind]

I haven't made it in cart yet if you need it in cart

I could definitely have it done by then though

If you do like it

[cyan smelt]

Not sure if I'm allowed to use someone else's rental since it needs to be my ign I'm pretty sure

[astral kelp]

Lmao wtf

[shadow wind]

Ah ok

Well use it if you want, I really like it but that's cause I'm a Groudon fanatic

[astral kelp]

Snarl throat spray csr is crazy

I love leer sneasler

[tiny karma]

Move: Leer

Lowers the target's Defense by 1 stage.

Type

Normal

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

30 (48)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Reflectable

Affected by Magic Coat and Magic Bounce.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[astral kelp]

Lorb rillaboom is crazy tho

I can see it too rilla does sooo much damage

The only. Thing that astounds me is thag urshifu set

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 892: Urshifu-Rapid-Strike

Types

Fighting/Water

Abilities

Unseen Fist

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/130/100/63/60/97

Total

550

Base Species

Urshifu

Sableye version 4.28.1

[astral kelp]

I guess 100 defence isn't bad

[shadow wind]

Nah don't go justifying it

[astral kelp]

COULD BE WORSE

Eject incin makes sense too

Is this cts?

[shadow wind]

I don't think so

@cyan smelt Let me know how it goes if you do end up trying the team out

[cyan smelt]

I'll definitely give it a go and let you know ty

[shadow wind]

Thank you 🙏

[cyan smelt]

And then I'm going to read vgc guide again and see if any of it makes sense to me and see if I can build a team

[astral kelp]

Yknow I just saw something crazy

[shadow wind]

What'd ya see?

[astral kelp]

Rock slide trick room serene grace Dudunsparce rock slide

[shadow wind]

Ah heck nah 😭

[astral kelp]

120% flinch chance

Like wyd it's just over

[shadow wind]

It's only 60%?

[molten oasis]

Wait so

[astral kelp]

Nah with rainbow

[shadow wind]

Ah ok

[astral kelp]

I mean I forgot to mention rainbow lol

[molten oasis]

Could you, transform into dozo

[shadow wind]

They did yeah

[molten oasis]

Then have a commander tatsu then get +4?

[shadow wind]

Ability doesn't change

[molten oasis]

No like

[shadow wind]

Ok wait

I see what you mean

[molten oasis]

It’s not, good

[shadow wind]

I would assume not?

[molten oasis]

But it sounds funny

[astral kelp]

I don't see how it wouldn't work

[molten oasis]

I’d assume not as well

[astral kelp]

Ditto is dendozo

[molten oasis]

Anyone wanna test that

[shadow wind]

Yeah sure

[molten oasis]

Ok, I’ll just have dozo

[shadow wind]

Dozo and giri

"HeWhoHoldsTheWorld" is the account I'm on

Just challenge me to a custom 2v2

[astral kelp]

God I'm so out of ideas

[molten oasis]

I think we have to do just normal reg g

[shadow wind]

😔

Still fine

[molten oasis]

Idt it would work if we only have 2 of each

[shadow wind]

Alright I got my 4 mons

[molten oasis]

You got the ditto and tatsu?

[shadow wind]

Yuppers

Also I'm watching battles on the side and it is just CSR Gweezing

Constantly

[molten oasis]

Damn

Didn’t work

[shadow wind]

https://pokepast.es/a262c420321f7a15

Also sick team amiright?

[molten oasis]

wtf lmfao

That’s so cursed

[shadow wind]

I literally just clicked the first moves I saw

And items

Also that is disappointing

[molten oasis]

It is

But oh well

[shadow wind]

It was a dumb idea anyway

Funny but dumb

[molten oasis]

Yea

[shadow wind]

I just witnessed someone being toxic while using CSR Gweezing 😭

I don't think I've ever been toxic to someone first

[molten oasis]

Literally embodying the toxicity of geezing

[shadow wind]

I'm just shocked

I never fully understood playing someone else's team

[molten oasis]

Eh, I mean

[shadow wind]

Like I get it, it does well so why not use it

[molten oasis]

Its nice to play others teams if its showing you how something works or smth

Or it’s just strong

[shadow wind]

I feel like I just play better with teams I make

Like I know the calcs better than anyone

I know how the things are supposed to be used

[cyan smelt]

Teams I make, teams by others, no matter what I'm ass

[molten oasis]

Yea same

[shadow wind]

Like I've seen my teams be played for youtube channels and I cringe everytime

[molten oasis]

I’m just used to building my own teams

[shadow wind]

But it's to be expected, it isn't a world champions team. It's going to be a little funky

[shadow wind]

The moment you find the team, it's gonna feel great

Wow

[cyan smelt]

At this point I should give up and just play geezing csr dozo

[shadow wind]

Don't become one of them 🙏

[molten oasis]

Anyway is there a Mon you like using?

[shadow wind]

That isn't Skeledirge

[cyan smelt]

Zama

[molten oasis]

Yea cuz unfortunately that Mon sucks

Okay, zama’s good

[shadow wind]

That's a good mon to like

[cyan smelt]

Would probably like cir too

I don't mind tr

[molten oasis]

Could try that

CIR is strong, could try out the tang team

[cyan smelt]

I'll give it a go

[shadow wind]

I found the Tang team weird on ladder

Cause Kyogre just dog walks it

[molten oasis]

I also think that the tang team’s lines got solved

[shadow wind]

They made a meta call

[molten oasis]

And like everyone knows how to beat it

[shadow wind]

Do I think it's an amazing team? Absolutely

[cyan smelt]

I miss spread moves with using zama

[shadow wind]

Do I think it's awesome right now? No

[molten oasis]

Understandable

[shadow wind]

Greed has been realized

[cyan smelt]

Why don't any of the creation trio have spread moves, I'd definitely use telepathy Dialga origin

[molten oasis]

the creation trio suck

[shadow wind]

Giratina is cool

But at most it's cool

[molten oasis]

I fought a screens dialga today

[cyan smelt]

It looks cool but it hits like wet paper and even incin could beat it

[molten oasis]

It exploded to sun boosted Ivy cuddle in sun and they had reflect

Ivy cuddle oops

Cudgel*

[shadow wind]

Ivy cuddle 😭

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 483: Dialga-Origin

Types

Steel/Dragon

Abilities

Pressure, Telepathy (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/100/120/150/120/90

Total

680

Base Species

Dialga

Sableye version 4.28.1

[molten oasis]

Okay what

It was behind reflect why does ogerpon hit that hard with minimal att investment

[shadow wind]

Like on the surface they look strong

Pretty much the same stats as Kyogre

Just a little more balanced

[molten oasis]

The thing that makes restricteds strong is if they can boost their damage

Zacian zama get +1’s to attack and defense

[shadow wind]

Kyogre rain

[molten oasis]

Kyogre sets rain for itself, Mirai e terrain

Caly’s have moxie

[shadow wind]

Groudon has uh

[molten oasis]

Koraidon has sun

[molten oasis]

Copium

[shadow wind]

😔

[cyan smelt]

Terapagos has calm mind

[molten oasis]

That doesn’t count

[shadow wind]

Groudon has the goat factor

[molten oasis]

Its abilities that boost its attack

Pagos is weird cuz it, boosts its attack through Tera but otherwise is like, generally not a good restricted

[shadow wind]

Groudon is in such a weird state

[molten oasis]

Without Tera

[shadow wind]

Like I feel like Groudon is so close to being awesome

[molten oasis]

You’re right

It’s cuz of pblades

Most of the better restricteds are a lot more consistent

[shadow wind]

Do you think that if pblades was 100% accurate he'd be in contention though?

[molten oasis]

Yes

Cuz it be an even better answer into Mirai

[shadow wind]

Like contention for best restricted

[molten oasis]

Oh for best hell no

Caly’s would be stronger

In THIS gen

[shadow wind]

😔

[molten oasis]

Caly’s are def stronger

[shadow wind]

Remove tera please 🙏

[molten oasis]

Because of Tera

[molten oasis]

Ong it’s nice getting to sucker punch CSR freely

[shadow wind]

And Groudon becomes better

[molten oasis]

Lowkey think single strike isn’t used cuz there’s a lot of Tera fairy

[shadow wind]

100%

Groudon would become better in comparison

[molten oasis]

If it wasn’t i think single strike and rapid strike would have closer percentages of play

[shadow wind]

Because he doesn't get worse without tera in my opinion

He really doesn't use it that well

[molten oasis]

I mean

I think the mons that don’t use it well don’t need it

Like zacian likes to Tera out but I very rarely needs to

[shadow wind]

Which is why Groudon got left behind

Same with Zacian

[molten oasis]

Zacian also hates incin

[shadow wind]

It's weird though because Kyogre barely needs it

But it just tera waters

[molten oasis]

Ehh

[shadow wind]

I guess grass for Miraidon

[molten oasis]

I think Tera grass is kinda important

[shadow wind]

That's true

Koraidon will die after tera

[molten oasis]

Bolt Mirai rilla all suck for it

[shadow wind]

True true

No more tera fire for the guy

[molten oasis]

Korai caly’s all get a lot worse without Tera

[shadow wind]

Woohoo !

[molten oasis]

Korai seeing a single flutter is just ggs

[shadow wind]

It literally sets the sun up for it

[molten oasis]

Yep

[cyan smelt]

I mean if Groudon sees a single ogerpon or chi yu it's gg for it too

[molten oasis]

Zacian gets better when you can’t just Tera fire your weaknesses

[molten oasis]

Groudon can best chi yu

Hearthflame nukes it but it requires Tera and if groudon survives hearth explodes

[shadow wind]

Ogerpon is scary 100%

But I wouldn't say it's as scary as Koraidon vs Flutter

[molten oasis]

Oh 100%

[shadow wind]

Maybe even 110%

[molten oasis]

200%

[shadow wind]

Whoa

[molten oasis]

I mean cmon

Koraidon literally cannot stand to see a fairy

Without Tera

[shadow wind]

I saw a clip of a Tinkaton not OHKO a Koraidon

[molten oasis]

Tinkaton also has 75 base attack

[shadow wind]

It's quad effective 😭

[molten oasis]

I wonder

[shadow wind]

I have no idea the context

So it might've been -1 or something

All I saw was the play rough animation and Koraidon lived

[cyan smelt]

Why did they decide to nerf zacian and make another steel/fairy suck badly but didn't nerf either caly

[shadow wind]

And then this guy swearing out his Tinkaton

[shadow wind]

For fun

[molten oasis]

Wow okay

252+ Atk Tinkaton Play Rough vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Koraidon: 208-252 (118.1 - 143.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO it had to be -1 or a VERY bulky koraidon

[shadow wind]

Or not invested Tink

[molten oasis]

Caly wasn’t the issue

Gen 8 zacian was VERY high usage

Which was really bad and it was the problem

[shadow wind]

One shamillion % usage rate

[molten oasis]

Apparently incin wasnt

[cyan smelt]

And then to rub salt in the wound ogerpon gets a +1 whenever it switches in

[shadow wind]

Incin is also a starter

[molten oasis]

And it got BUFFED

[molten oasis]

Man cmon box arts are cool asf

And you go play the whole game for them

[shadow wind]

That is 100% true

[molten oasis]

With your starter Yk what fair point

[shadow wind]

But also I feel like Gamefreak loves Incin

[molten oasis]

Oh they 100% do

[cyan smelt]

It's because wolfey loves incin

[shadow wind]

Incin is like the counterweight though

[molten oasis]

Wolfey hates incin wdym

[cyan smelt]

He always uses it

[shadow wind]

He's on the other side of the seesaw from all the macho restricteds

[molten oasis]

Like I appreciate incin for it keeping things in check but god I hate incin

[molten oasis]

Incin=winning

[shadow wind]

I think he's fine

(Groudon clamulet)

I just saw

Brute bonnet live a lunge from Araquanid

[molten oasis]

They did “nerf” incin by adding new defiant mons and clam/cloak

[shadow wind]

But they also gave bro helping hand

[molten oasis]

No one even uses helping hand

Oh it got knock off back

[cyan smelt]

At least they removed throat chop from incin

[molten oasis]

That was the big one

[tiny karma]

Move: Incinerate

The target loses its held item if it is a Berry or a Gem. This move cannot cause Pokemon with the Sticky Hold Ability to lose their held item. Items lost to this move cannot be regained with Recycle or the Harvest Ability.

Type

Fire

Category

Special

Power

60

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[molten oasis]

They really like incin

[shadow wind]

Frick

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 727: Incineroar

Types

Fire/Dark

Abilities

Blaze, Intimidate (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

95/115/90/80/90/60

Total

530

Sableye version 4.28.1

[shadow wind]

Like what are those stats man

[molten oasis]

Insane

[tiny karma]

Incineroar's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Aerial Ace, Assurance, Bind, Bite, Blaze Kick, Body Slam, Brick Break, Brutal Swing, Bulldoze, Close Combat, Covet, Cross Chop, Crunch, Darkest Lariat, Double Kick, Double-Edge, Drain Punch, Dual Chop, Earthquake, Endeavor, Facade, Fake Out, Fire Fang, Fire Punch, Flame Charge, Flare Blitz, Fling, Focus Punch, Frustration, Fury Swipes, Giga Impact, Heat Crash, Iron Head, Knock Off, Lash Out, Leech Life, Lick, Low Kick, Low Sweep, Mega Kick, Mega Punch, Outrage, Pay Day, Power Trip, Return, Revenge, Reversal, Scratch, Shadow Claw, Stomping Tantrum, Superpower, Take Down, Temper Flare, Thief, Thrash, Throat Chop, Thunder Punch, Trailblaze, U-turn

Special Moves

Blast Burn, Burning Jealousy, Dark Pulse, Ember, Fire Blast, Fire Pledge, Fire Spin, Flamethrower, Focus Blast, Heat Wave, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Overheat, Round, Scorching Sands, Snarl, Snore, Tera Blast

Status Moves

Attract, Baton Pass, Bulk Up, Confide, Double Team, Embargo, Endure, Growl, Helping Hand, Leer, Nasty Plot, Parting Shot, Protect, Quash, Rest, Roar, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Snatch, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Swords Dance, Taunt, Torment, Toxic, Will-O-Wisp, Work Up

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Incineroar.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[molten oasis]

JEEZ

[shadow wind]

So many moves

[tiny karma]

Groudon's moveset:

Physical Moves

Aerial Ace, Body Press, Body Slam, Brick Break, Brutal Swing, Bulldoze, Counter, Crunch, Cut, Dig, Double-Edge, Dragon Claw, Dragon Tail, Dynamic Punch, Earthquake, Facade, Fire Fang, Fire Punch, Fissure, Fling, Focus Punch, Frustration, Fury Cutter, Giga Impact, Hammer Arm, Headbutt, Heat Crash, Heavy Slam, High Horsepower, Iron Head, Iron Tail, Mega Kick, Mega Punch, Metal Claw, Natural Gift, Power-Up Punch, Precipice Blades, Return, Rock Blast, Rock Slide, Rock Smash, Rock Tomb, Rollout, Sand Tomb, Secret Power, Seismic Toss, Shadow Claw, Slash, Smack Down, Stomping Tantrum, Stone Edge, Strength, Take Down, Thunder Punch, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Ancient Power, Dragon Pulse, Earth Power, Eruption, Fire Blast, Flamethrower, Focus Blast, Heat Wave, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Incinerate, Lava Plume, Mud Shot, Mud-Slap, Overheat, Round, Scorching Sands, Shock Wave, Snore, Solar Beam, Swift, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunderbolt, Uproar

Status Moves

Block, Bulk Up, Confide, Defense Curl, Double Team, Endure, Helping Hand, Hone Claws, Mimic, Protect, Psych Up, Rest, Roar, Rock Polish, Safeguard, Sandstorm, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Spikes, Stealth Rock, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Swords Dance, Thunder Wave, Toxic, Will-O-Wisp

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Groudon.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[molten oasis]

I remember it’s movepool being big but that’s insane

[shadow wind]

Ok I guess he has more

[tiny karma]

Feraligatr's moveset:

Physical Moves

Aerial Ace, Aqua Jet, Aqua Tail, Avalanche, Bite, Body Slam, Breaking Swipe, Brick Break, Bulldoze, Chip Away, Counter, Crunch, Cut, Dig, Dive, Double-Edge, Dragon Claw, Dragon Tail, Dynamic Punch, Earthquake, Endeavor, Facade, Flail, Fling, Flip Turn, Focus Punch, Frustration, Fury Cutter, Giga Impact, Headbutt, Ice Fang, Ice Punch, Iron Tail, Lash Out, Liquidation, Low Kick, Mega Kick, Mega Punch, Metal Claw, Natural Gift, Outrage, Power-Up Punch, Psychic Fangs, Rage, Return, Rock Slide, Rock Smash, Rock Tomb, Scale Shot, Scratch, Secret Power, Seismic Toss, Shadow Claw, Slash, Stomping Tantrum, Strength, Superpower, Take Down, Thief, Thrash, Trailblaze, Waterfall

Special Moves

Ancient Power, Blizzard, Chilling Water, Dragon Pulse, Focus Blast, Hidden Power, Hydro Cannon, Hydro Pump, Hyper Beam, Ice Beam, Icy Wind, Mud-Slap, Muddy Water, Razor Wind, Round, Scald, Snarl, Snore, Surf, Tera Blast, Uproar, Water Gun, Water Pledge, Water Pulse, Whirlpool

Status Moves

Agility, Attract, Block, Captivate, Confide, Curse, Detect, Double Team, Dragon Dance, Endure, Fake Tears, Flatter, Hail, Helping Hand, Hone Claws, Leer, Mimic, Mud Sport, Protect, Rain Dance, Rest, Roar, Scary Face, Screech, Sleep Talk, Spite, Substitute, Swagger, Swords Dance, Toxic, Water Sport, Work Up

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Feraligatr.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[molten oasis]

Wow

[shadow wind]

Ok maybe starters are just loved

[molten oasis]

Unfortunately that Mon sucks

[molten oasis]

Well, yea, they go on ur whole journey with you

[tiny karma]

Decidueye's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Aerial Ace, Astonish, Brave Bird, Bullet Seed, Covet, Dual Wingbeat, Facade, False Swipe, Frustration, Fury Attack, Giga Impact, Grassy Glide, Knock Off, Leaf Blade, Leafage, Low Kick, Low Sweep, Peck, Phantom Force, Pluck, Poltergeist, Psycho Cut, Razor Leaf, Return, Seed Bomb, Shadow Claw, Shadow Sneak, Skitter Smack, Sky Attack, Smack Down, Solar Blade, Spirit Shackle, Steel Wing, Sucker Punch, Tackle, Take Down, Trailblaze, U-turn

Special Moves

Air Cutter, Air Slash, Echoed Voice, Energy Ball, Frenzy Plant, Giga Drain, Grass Knot, Grass Pledge, Hex, Hidden Power, Hurricane, Hyper Beam, Leaf Storm, Magical Leaf, Night Shade, Ominous Wind, Round, Shadow Ball, Snore, Solar Beam, Swift, Tera Blast

Status Moves

Attract, Baton Pass, Confide, Confuse Ray, Curse, Defog, Double Team, Endure, Feather Dance, Foresight, Grassy Terrain, Growl, Haze, Helping Hand, Imprison, Laser Focus, Light Screen, Nasty Plot, Nature Power, Protect, Rain Dance, Rest, Roost, Safeguard, Sleep Talk, Spite, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Swords Dance, Synthesis, Tailwind, Toxic, Work Up, Worry Seed

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Decidueye.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[shadow wind]

There we go

A smaller list

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 730: Primarina

Types

Water/Fairy

Abilities

Torrent, Liquid Voice (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

80/74/74/126/116/60

Total

530

Sableye version 4.28.1

[molten oasis]

Oops wait

[shadow wind]

Nah she gets loads

[tiny karma]

Primarina's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Aqua Jet, Aqua Tail, Body Slam, Covet, Dive, Double Slap, Facade, Flip Turn, Frustration, Giga Impact, Ice Spinner, Iron Tail, Liquidation, Play Rough, Pound, Return, Triple Axel, Waterfall

Special Moves

Alluring Voice, Blizzard, Brine, Bubble Beam, Chilling Water, Dazzling Gleam, Disarming Voice, Draining Kiss, Echoed Voice, Energy Ball, Hidden Power, Hydro Cannon, Hydro Pump, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Ice Beam, Icy Wind, Misty Explosion, Moonblast, Psychic, Psychic Noise, Round, Scald, Shadow Ball, Snore, Sparkling Aria, Stored Power, Surf, Swift, Tera Blast, Uproar, Water Gun, Water Pledge, Water Pulse, Weather Ball, Whirlpool

Status Moves

Amnesia, Aqua Ring, Aromatic Mist, Attract, Baby-Doll Eyes, Calm Mind, Captivate, Charm, Confide, Double Team, Encore, Endure, Growl, Hail, Haze, Helping Hand, Life Dew, Light Screen, Magic Coat, Misty Terrain, Perish Song, Protect, Psych Up, Rain Dance, Reflect, Rest, Sing, Sleep Talk, Snowscape, Substitute, Swagger, Toxic, Wonder Room, Work Up

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Primarina.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[molten oasis]

Nah it’s smaller

[shadow wind]

I take it back

[molten oasis]

Tbf

[shadow wind]

I think special starters get shafted

[molten oasis]

It gets what it needs, like

[tiny karma]

Serperior's moveset:

Physical Moves

Aerial Ace, Aqua Tail, Bind, Body Slam, Breaking Swipe, Brutal Swing, Bullet Seed, Cut, Double-Edge, Dragon Tail, Facade, Frustration, Giga Impact, Grassy Glide, Hold Back, Iron Tail, Knock Off, Leaf Blade, Natural Gift, Outrage, Petal Blizzard, Pursuit, Return, Rock Smash, Scale Shot, Secret Power, Seed Bomb, Slam, Strength, Tackle, Take Down, Trailblaze, Vine Whip, Wrap

Special Moves

Dragon Pulse, Energy Ball, Frenzy Plant, Giga Drain, Grass Knot, Grass Pledge, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Leaf Storm, Leaf Tornado, Magical Leaf, Mega Drain, Mirror Coat, Round, Snore, Solar Beam, Swift, Tera Blast, Twister, Wring Out

Status Moves

Aromatherapy, Attract, Calm Mind, Captivate, Coil, Confide, Defog, Double Team, Endure, Flash, Gastro Acid, Glare, Grassy Terrain, Growth, Helping Hand, Leech Seed, Leer, Light Screen, Mean Look, Nature Power, Protect, Reflect, Rest, Safeguard, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Snatch, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Sweet Scent, Swords Dance, Synthesis, Taunt, Torment, Toxic, Work Up, Worry Seed

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Serperior.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[shadow wind]

Ok actually Serperior is just trash

[molten oasis]

hyper voice w/ liquid voice, moonblast, calm mind

[shadow wind]

That's all ya need

[molten oasis]

Yea

[shadow wind]

Psychic noise sometimes

Draining kiss every once in a while

[molten oasis]

Like look at raging bolt

[tiny karma]

Raging Bolt's moveset:

Physical Moves

Body Press, Body Slam, Breaking Swipe, Crunch, Double-Edge, Dragon Hammer, Dragon Tail, Earthquake, Facade, Giga Impact, Heavy Slam, Outrage, Stomp, Stomping Tantrum, Supercell Slam, Take Down, Thunder Fang, Wild Charge

Special Moves

Ancient Power, Charge Beam, Discharge, Draco Meteor, Dragon Breath, Dragon Pulse, Electro Ball, Electroweb, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Rising Voltage, Shock Wave, Snarl, Solar Beam, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunderbolt, Thunderclap, Twister, Volt Switch, Weather Ball, Zap Cannon

Status Moves

Calm Mind, Charge, Dragon Cheer, Eerie Impulse, Electric Terrain, Endure, Protect, Rest, Roar, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Sunny Day, Taunt, Thunder Wave

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Raging Bolt.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[shadow wind]

Wow

He really just gets what he needs and works

[molten oasis]

That movepool is so small but it gets everything it needs

It gets taunt lmao

I swear like everything gets taunt

[tiny karma]

Iron Crown's moveset:

Physical Moves

Body Slam, Brick Break, Bulldoze, Double-Edge, Facade, Giga Impact, Heavy Slam, Iron Head, Metal Burst, Metal Claw, Psycho Cut, Sacred Sword, Slash, Smart Strike, Solar Blade, Supercell Slam, Take Down, X-Scissor, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Air Slash, Confusion, Expanding Force, Flash Cannon, Focus Blast, Future Sight, Hyper Beam, Psychic, Psychic Noise, Psyshock, Steel Beam, Stored Power, Tachyon Cutter, Tera Blast, Volt Switch

Status Moves

Agility, Calm Mind, Electric Terrain, Endure, Gravity, Iron Defense, Leer, Metal Sound, Protect, Quick Guard, Rest, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Swords Dance

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Iron Crown.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[shadow wind]

😭

[molten oasis]

Eh

The guy gets what he needs

[shadow wind]

80% of those moves are stab

[molten oasis]

I mean

[tiny karma]

Sandy Shocks's moveset:

Physical Moves

Body Press, Body Slam, Bulldoze, Earthquake, Facade, Giga Impact, Heavy Slam, High Horsepower, Sand Tomb, Spark, Stomping Tantrum, Supercell Slam, Take Down, Wild Charge

Special Moves

Charge Beam, Discharge, Earth Power, Electro Ball, Electroweb, Flash Cannon, Hyper Beam, Mirror Coat, Mud Shot, Power Gem, Scorching Sands, Swift, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunder Shock, Thunderbolt, Tri Attack, Volt Switch, Zap Cannon

Status Moves

Charge, Eerie Impulse, Electric Terrain, Endure, Gravity, Iron Defense, Light Screen, Magnetic Flux, Metal Sound, Protect, Reflect, Rest, Sandstorm, Screech, Sleep Talk, Spikes, Stealth Rock, Substitute, Sunny Day, Supersonic, Thunder Wave

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Sandy Shocks.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[molten oasis]

I’d hope most of your moves are stab

[shadow wind]

Jeez these guys got small movepools

[tiny karma]

Flutter Mane's moveset:

Physical Moves

Astonish, Giga Impact, Phantom Force, Poltergeist

Special Moves

Charge Beam, Dark Pulse, Dazzling Gleam, Disarming Voice, Draining Kiss, Energy Ball, Hex, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Icy Wind, Magical Leaf, Moonblast, Mystical Fire, Night Shade, Power Gem, Psybeam, Psyshock, Shadow Ball, Stored Power, Swift, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunderbolt

Status Moves

Calm Mind, Charm, Confuse Ray, Endure, Fake Tears, Helping Hand, Imprison, Mean Look, Memento, Misty Terrain, Pain Split, Perish Song, Protect, Rest, Sleep Talk, Spite, Substitute, Sunny Day, Taunt, Thunder Wave, Trick Room, Wish

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Flutter Mane.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[cyan smelt]

maybe i should try discharge sandy shocks next to groudon

[shadow wind]

Fluitter gets 4 physical moves

[tiny karma]

Great Tusk's moveset:

Physical Moves

Body Press, Body Slam, Brick Break, Bulldoze, Close Combat, Dig, Double-Edge, Earthquake, Endeavor, Facade, Fire Fang, Giga Impact, Head Smash, Headlong Rush, Heavy Slam, High Horsepower, Horn Attack, Ice Fang, Ice Spinner, Iron Head, Knock Off, Megahorn, Play Rough, Rapid Spin, Reversal, Rock Slide, Rock Tomb, Rollout, Smack Down, Smart Strike, Stomping Tantrum, Stone Edge, Supercell Slam, Take Down, Temper Flare, Throat Chop, Thunder Fang, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Earth Power, Flash Cannon, Hyper Beam, Mud Shot, Mud-Slap, Psyshock, Tera Blast

Status Moves

Bulk Up, Defense Curl, Endure, Protect, Rest, Roar, Sandstorm, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Stealth Rock, Substitute, Sunny Day, Taunt

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Great Tusk.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[molten oasis]

Why did talking about incin make me want to use it

[shadow wind]

Tusk gets Psyshock

!!!!

[molten oasis]

How does that even work lmao

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 984: Great Tusk

Types

Ground/Fighting

Abilities

Protosynthesis

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

115/131/131/53/53/87

Total

570

Sableye version 4.28.1

[molten oasis]

Man

[shadow wind]

53 special attack

[molten oasis]

What a cool Mon, it’s so bad rn tho

[shadow wind]

It's cause his speed is too low

[molten oasis]

Yea

[shadow wind]

If it was like Roaring moon he'd be goated

[molten oasis]

Guy like needs scarf it’s so lame

[shadow wind]

Yea

#2 used in OU

[molten oasis]

That’s a different format lol

[shadow wind]

Different everything

But it's cool to look at

[molten oasis]

Yea

[tiny karma]

- [Dark/Fire]

Immune

Psychic

Resists (0.5x)

Dark, Fire, Ghost, Grass, Ice, Steel

Neutral damage

Bug, Dragon, Electric, Fairy, Flying, Normal, Poison, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Fighting, Ground, Rock, Water

Type Notes

Fire-types cannot be Burned.

Sableye version 4.28.1

- [Fairy/Steel]

Immune

Dragon, Poison

Resists (0.25x)

Bug

Resists (0.5x)

Dark, Fairy, Flying, Grass, Ice, Normal, Psychic, Rock

Neutral damage

Electric, Fighting, Ghost, Steel, Stellar, Water

Weak (2x)

Fire, Ground

Type Notes

Steel-types cannot be Poisoned.
Steel-types take no damage from Sandstorm.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[molten oasis]

I have suddenly remembered why I don’t use incin

[tiny karma]

Bronzong [Steel/Psychic]

Immune

Poison

Resists (0.25x)

Psychic

Resists (0.5x)

Dragon, Fairy, Flying, Grass, Ice, Normal, Rock, Steel

Neutral damage

Bug, Electric, Fighting, Stellar, Water

Weak (2x)

Dark, Fire, Ghost, Ground

Type Notes

Steel-types cannot be Poisoned.
Steel-types take no damage from Sandstorm.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[shadow wind]

Look at my legend

Weak to Incin and CSR, ahhhh yeah

[molten oasis]

Bro is goated

[shadow wind]

I actually do really like Bronzong

He's a world champ after all

[cyan smelt]

maybe using a different team for a change will give me some ideas

[shadow wind]

Usually does

[astral kelp]

He's also in the weird speed tier

It's kinda weird how paradox pokenmnob have to be fast or have some other thing that I'd broken

[shadow wind]

Well they're for the most part minmaxxed

[astral kelp]

Yea man fluttermanes stays are so fucking crazy

[shadow wind]

So are bolts

They're just really good

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 987: Flutter Mane

Types

Ghost/Fairy

Abilities

Protosynthesis

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

55/55/55/135/135/135

Total

570

Sableye version 4.28.1

[molten oasis]

Bolts a mini restricted

[astral kelp]

That shit is crazy

[astral kelp]

Dude bolt just single handedly wins games sometimes too

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 1021: Raging Bolt

Types

Electric/Dragon

Abilities

Protosynthesis

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

125/73/91/137/89/75

Total

590

Sableye version 4.28.1

[molten oasis]

He’s just goated

[astral kelp]

I didn't know he had so much hp jeez

I mean it's not thaaat min maxed not like fluttermane

[molten oasis]

And good defenses to back it up

[shadow wind]

He don't need it

[molten oasis]

Flutter is based off mismagius

[astral kelp]

Fluttermane is just disgusting

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 429: Mismagius

Type

Ghost

Abilities

Levitate

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

60/60/60/105/105/105

Total

495

Sableye version 4.28.1

[molten oasis]

Which their whole thing was bad physical stuff and hp and really good speed and special stats

[astral kelp]

Oh I see

[shadow wind]

They took it too far !

[molten oasis]

They really did

[shadow wind]

But I ain't complainin

Groudon and Flutter are besties

[astral kelp]

Mismagius was one of my favorites growing up

Such a cool pokemon

Fluttermane they just dialed what made mismagius cool 10x

[molten oasis]

I hate flutter

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 1009: Walking Wake

Types

Water/Dragon

Abilities

Protosynthesis

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

99/83/91/125/83/109

Total

590

Sableye version 4.28.1

[molten oasis]

It’s like in my top 10 most hated

[shadow wind]

As a Groudon player I'm forced into loving Bolt and Flutter

[molten oasis]

That Mon brings bad memories of reg b and c

[shadow wind]

I didn't play back then

I started in F

[molten oasis]

Flutter was on like every team

[astral kelp]

Flutter is cool because you can be confident you're gonna outspeeds

[molten oasis]

Extremely versatile Mon so it was si annoying to fight in cart

[shadow wind]

Dang I only started in F

[astral kelp]

That's why I like sneasler too

I literally just started pretty much lol

[molten oasis]

That was the day of specs flutter demolishing teams

[shadow wind]

I've been playing for just over a year at this point

[shadow wind]

It stills does that under the right circumstances(Opponent being 4 years old)

[molten oasis]

Lmao

Nah but specs flutter was like

Near unstoppable there were very little checks

Palafin got popular cuz you could jet punch it

[astral kelp]

It's only weakness is steal right

[molten oasis]

And ghost

[astral kelp]

Oh shadow sneak should just kill it then

[molten oasis]

And guess what your best bet is at beating flutter in reg b

Flutter or at the time arcanine

[astral kelp]

Kek

[molten oasis]

And then people played it in sun teams with spa boost

Absolutely bonkers Mon in lower power formats like that

[astral kelp]

I kinda hate how if I want to play sun I have to play Groudon or koraidon

[molten oasis]

If you wanna play snow you have to play a9

[astral kelp]

I don't really like them they feel so like clunky

[molten oasis]

That’s just kinda how setters are done

[shadow wind]

Groudon is goated

[astral kelp]

But a9 doesn't feel clunky

[molten oasis]

A9 is also quite bad in this format

Actually tbh

[astral kelp]

A9 is bad but it feels good to use yk

[molten oasis]

If we had better snow abusers a9 would be okay

[astral kelp]

Fairy type is so nice

[molten oasis]

Our best option is Kyurem white

Like if we had something as fast as like, ogerpon I think a9+snow abuser guy could be fun

[astral kelp]

Tailwind plus aurora bail is kinda insane

8 think the problem is snow itself

It's benefit is still ass

Like why tf is it boosting defende

Ice types just die to most physical attacks anyways such shit ass typing

Weak to rock, fighting and steel

Fire isn't too physical

[molten oasis]

Well

No that’s a huge buff for ice types

It’s the fact we don’t have a good abused of snow rn

Like if we had a GOOD slush rush Mon snow would be better

[astral kelp]

What's the best defensive typing for ice?

[azure ether]

CIR laughing in the background

[astral kelp]

Well that's not fair it's stats are stupid lmao

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 898: Calyrex-Ice

Types

Psychic/Ice

Abilities

As One (Glastrier)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/165/150/85/130/50

Total

680

Base Species

Calyrex

Sableye version 4.28.1

Pokémon No. 898: Calyrex-Ice

Types

Psychic/Ice

Abilities

As One (Glastrier)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/165/150/85/130/50

Total

680

Base Species

Calyrex

Sableye version 4.28.1

[astral kelp]

150 defence lmfao

[shadow wind]

He does NOT need that

[astral kelp]

Idk what they were thinking with the calyrexes

Insane stats with insane destribution

[shadow wind]

$$$

[azure ether]

They were fine in their own generation

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 898: Calyrex-Shadow

Types

Psychic/Ghost

Abilities

As One (Spectrier)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/85/80/165/100/150

Total

680

Base Species

Calyrex

Sableye version 4.28.1

[astral kelp]

Were they?

[craggy dagger]

shadow rider is kinda balanced cuz of
4x weakness and bulk is kinda nonexistent so priority moves go brrr

[shadow wind]

Not in this generation

[azure ether]

Yea, CSR was played as a fast wisp support in that only gen's worlds final

[astral kelp]

Kid named indeedee

I will say tho

[azure ether]

Can't blow something up if they have doubled HP from dmax

[astral kelp]

If it wasn't for terá it would not be as scary

Terá fairy is disgusting

[shadow wind]

Chi yu would solo

[astral kelp]

Even sneasler

[molten oasis]

Hm

[tiny karma]

- [Ice/Water]

Resists (0.25x)

Ice

Resists (0.5x)

Water

Neutral damage

Bug, Dark, Dragon, Fairy, Fire, Flying, Ghost, Ground, Normal, Poison, Psychic, Steel, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Electric, Fighting, Grass, Rock

Type Notes

Ice-types cannot be Frozen.
Ice-types have their Defense increased by 50% in Snow.

Sableye version 4.28.1

- [Ice/Electric]

Resists (0.5x)

Electric, Flying, Ice

Neutral damage

Bug, Dark, Dragon, Fairy, Ghost, Grass, Normal, Poison, Psychic, Steel, Stellar, Water

Weak (2x)

Fighting, Fire, Ground, Rock

Type Notes

Ice-types cannot be Frozen.
Electric-types cannot be paralyzed.
Ice-types have their Defense increased by 50% in Snow.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[molten oasis]

Probably that

Ice steel is shit

[tiny karma]

- [Ice/Ghost]

Immune

Fighting, Normal

Resists (0.5x)

Bug, Ice, Poison

Neutral damage

Dragon, Electric, Fairy, Flying, Grass, Ground, Psychic, Stellar, Water

Weak (2x)

Dark, Fire, Ghost, Rock, Steel

Type Notes

Ghost-types are immune to effects that prevent Switching.
Ice-types cannot be Frozen.
Ice-types have their Defense increased by 50% in Snow.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[molten oasis]

But you’d probably want good bulk and speed with decent stats

That also seems okay but you’re weak to a lot of common weaknesses

[cyan smelt]

i want to use okidogi

[azure ether]

I think we've reached a point where the regulation also matters

[molten oasis]

That’s true

Snow is best when the other weathers aren’t very good

MOSTLY sun

[astral kelp]

I was thinking maybe ice flying

4x weak to rock type tho lol

[tiny karma]

- [Ice/Flying]

Immune

Ground

Resists (0.5x)

Bug, Grass

Neutral damage

Dark, Dragon, Fairy, Fighting, Flying, Ghost, Ice, Normal, Poison, Psychic, Stellar, Water

Weak (2x)

Electric, Fire, Steel

Weak (4x)

Rock

Type Notes

Ice-types cannot be Frozen.
Ice-types have their Defense increased by 50% in Snow.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[astral kelp]

Yea only 3 types

Wait 4 no this is worse lmao

[tiny karma]

- [Ice/Dragon]

Resists (0.5x)

Electric, Grass, Water

Neutral damage

Bug, Dark, Fire, Flying, Ghost, Ground, Ice, Normal, Poison, Psychic, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Dragon, Fairy, Fighting, Rock, Steel

Type Notes

Ice-types cannot be Frozen.
Ice-types have their Defense increased by 50% in Snow.

Sableye version 4.28.1

- [Ice/Fire]

Resists (0.25x)

Ice

Resists (0.5x)

Bug, Fairy, Grass

Neutral damage

Dark, Dragon, Electric, Fire, Flying, Ghost, Normal, Poison, Psychic, Steel, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Fighting, Ground, Water

Weak (4x)

Rock

Type Notes

Fire-types cannot be Burned.
Ice-types cannot be Frozen.
Ice-types have their Defense increased by 50% in Snow.

Sableye version 4.28.1

- [Ice/Dragon]

Resists (0.5x)

Electric, Grass, Water

Neutral damage

Bug, Dark, Fire, Flying, Ghost, Ground, Ice, Normal, Poison, Psychic, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Dragon, Fairy, Fighting, Rock, Steel

Type Notes

Ice-types cannot be Frozen.
Ice-types have their Defense increased by 50% in Snow.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[astral kelp]

I scream

[tiny karma]

- [Ice/Fairy]

Immune

Dragon

Resists (0.5x)

Bug, Dark, Ice

Neutral damage

Electric, Fairy, Fighting, Flying, Ghost, Grass, Ground, Normal, Psychic, Stellar, Water

Weak (2x)

Fire, Poison, Rock

Weak (4x)

Steel

Type Notes

Ice-types cannot be Frozen.
Ice-types have their Defense increased by 50% in Snow.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[astral kelp]

Fucking hell ice type is WORTHLESS

[craggy dagger]

ice electric is the best offensive coverage
best defensive type would be water/dragon or fairy/steel

[molten oasis]

We were talking defensive ice typings

Which hardly exist

[craggy dagger]

oh defensive ice types?

ice dragon
ice fire (i think there’s one pokemon that has this type)

[molten oasis]

Theorizing the best typing for a9 to abuse snow with

[molten oasis]

4x weak to rock kinda sucks

[tiny karma]

- [Ice/Fire]

Resists (0.25x)

Ice

Resists (0.5x)

Bug, Fairy, Grass

Neutral damage

Dark, Dragon, Electric, Fire, Flying, Ghost, Normal, Poison, Psychic, Steel, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Fighting, Ground, Water

Weak (4x)

Rock

Type Notes

Fire-types cannot be Burned.
Ice-types cannot be Frozen.
Ice-types have their Defense increased by 50% in Snow.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[craggy dagger]

yeah but you’re neutral into fire which is the main point

[molten oasis]

Actually that’s not half bad

[craggy dagger]

too bad gorilla tactics was left behind in galar

[molten oasis]

Gdarm is only ice fire in its zen mode

[craggy dagger]

oh is it

[molten oasis]

Yep

[craggy dagger]

nvm then 😭

[molten oasis]

It’s a pure ice type otherwise lol

[craggy dagger]

rip gorilla tactics

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 555: Darmanitan-Galar-Zen

Types

Ice/Fire

Abilities

Zen Mode

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

105/160/55/30/55/135

Total

540

Base Species

Darmanitan

Sableye version 4.28.1

Pokémon No. 555: Darmanitan-Galar

Type

Ice

Abilities

Gorilla Tactics, Zen Mode (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

105/140/55/30/55/95

Total

480

Base Species

Darmanitan

Sableye version 4.28.1

[astral kelp]

What's that thing again

Forests curse?

[tiny karma]

Ability: Gorilla Tactics

This Pokemon's Attack is multiplied by 1.5, but it can only select the first move it executes. These effects are prevented while this Pokemon is Dynamaxed.

Sableye version 4.28.1

Move: Forest's Curse

Causes the Grass type to be added to the target, effectively making it have two or three types. Fails if the target is already a Grass type. If Trick-or-Treat adds a type to the target, it replaces the type added by this move and vice versa.

Type

Grass

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

20 (32)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Reflectable

Affected by Magic Coat and Magic Bounce.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[craggy dagger]

okay never mind-
140 base into
160 base attack????

[molten oasis]

Oh, it’s uh

[craggy dagger]

W
H
A
T

[molten oasis]

It just has a choice band

[azure ether]

It has to be under half hp to activate tho

[craggy dagger]

yeah but like
both abilities are absolutely crazy

[molten oasis]

Oh boy it can definitely get half hp, even no hp

[cyan smelt]

use ruination to self proc zen mode lol

[craggy dagger]

people would stack band + tactics

[azure ether]

What's crazy is that it stacks with band too

[astral kelp]

Omg have you seen ice and dark

[tiny karma]

- [Ice/Dark]

Immune

Psychic

Resists (0.5x)

Dark, Ghost, Ice

Neutral damage

Dragon, Electric, Flying, Grass, Ground, Normal, Poison, Stellar, Water

Weak (2x)

Bug, Fairy, Fire, Rock, Steel

Weak (4x)

Fighting

Type Notes

Ice-types cannot be Frozen.
Ice-types have their Defense increased by 50% in Snow.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[molten oasis]

Defensively that typing is awful

[astral kelp]

HOOOLY

Poor sneasle

[molten oasis]

Offensively that typing is great

[craggy dagger]

isn’t grass ice also not bad?

[tiny karma]

Ice, Dark

Hits for 1x

Bug, Dark, Electric, Fairy, Fighting, Fire, Ice, Normal, Poison, Rock, Steel, Stellar, Water

Hits for 2x

Dragon, Flying, Ghost, Grass, Ground, Psychic

Sableye version 4.28.1

[torn parrot]

https://youtu.be/3g3zDbTr_c4?si=d1ncuLzsBkydq5eX

[molten oasis]

No, grass ice is pretty bad

[torn parrot]

Meanwhile, singles

[tiny karma]

- [Ice/Grass]

Resists (0.5x)

Electric, Grass, Ground, Water

Neutral damage

Dark, Dragon, Fairy, Ghost, Ice, Normal, Psychic, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Bug, Fighting, Flying, Poison, Rock, Steel

Weak (4x)

Fire

Type Notes

Grass-types are immune to Powder-based Moves.
Ice-types cannot be Frozen.
Ice-types have their Defense increased by 50% in Snow.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[craggy dagger]

yikes nevermind

[astral kelp]

I guess if you don't mind being one shot it would be steel type

[molten oasis]

That typing SUCKS lmao

[astral kelp]

Holy shit dude what the hell

[azure ether]

I think the only saving grace for ice would be an ability that gives it extra immunities

[molten oasis]

Bro is weak to everything

[astral kelp]

Steel type has 2 4x weakness and 1 2x weakness

[craggy dagger]

ice water ice fire ice steel i think?
those would be the best typings imo

[molten oasis]

Ice steel also kinda sucks

[torn parrot]

Wonder what the worst type combo ever is

[astral kelp]

There's a Reason abonasnow is abysmal dogshit

[astral kelp]

It's pretty bad

[tiny karma]

- [Ice/Steel]

Immune

Poison

Resists (0.25x)

Ice

Resists (0.5x)

Bug, Dragon, Fairy, Flying, Grass, Normal, Psychic

Neutral damage

Dark, Electric, Ghost, Rock, Steel, Stellar, Water

Weak (2x)

Ground

Weak (4x)

Fighting, Fire

Type Notes

Ice-types cannot be Frozen.
Steel-types cannot be Poisoned.
Ice-types have their Defense increased by 50% in Snow.
Steel-types take no damage from Sandstorm.

Sableye version 4.28.1

- [Ice/Steel]

Immune

Poison

Resists (0.25x)

Ice

Resists (0.5x)

Bug, Dragon, Fairy, Flying, Grass, Normal, Psychic

Neutral damage

Dark, Electric, Ghost, Rock, Steel, Stellar, Water

Weak (2x)

Ground

Weak (4x)

Fighting, Fire

Type Notes

Ice-types cannot be Frozen.
Steel-types cannot be Poisoned.
Ice-types have their Defense increased by 50% in Snow.
Steel-types take no damage from Sandstorm.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[torn parrot]

Oh

[astral kelp]

If you're not scared of shifting your pants every time you see a fighting and a fire type

[azure ether]

Ice steel with Flash Fire would be dope

[molten oasis]

If it was just 1 4x it wouldn’t be too bad but it’s 2 VERY common types

[astral kelp]

It does have a lot of resistência

[molten oasis]

Every steel type does

[astral kelp]

Bru my Brazilian coming out

[craggy dagger]

yeah that’s true
but like on paper it’s alright

[molten oasis]

On paper yea

Then a shifu or incin appears and you cry

[torn parrot]

The worst type has to be like

[molten oasis]

I think ice electric doubles up as an okay defensive typing and very strong offensive typing

[torn parrot]

Rock combined with something

[azure ether]

Isn't it grass bug?

[molten oasis]

Rock psychic is pretty terrible

[craggy dagger]

rotom is the only one iirc
and levitate-
soooo

[torn parrot]

Hmmm

[molten oasis]

Maybe next gen

[astral kelp]

Keep in mind the only ice steel. Type is fucking sandal ash

A sandslash

[molten oasis]

Yea, Alolan sandslash kinda sucks

[craggy dagger]

there’s not many ice variety

[torn parrot]

I wonder what the most weaknesses ever is

[molten oasis]

Hm

[tiny karma]

- [Grass/Bug]

Resists (0.25x)

Grass, Ground

Resists (0.5x)

Electric, Fighting, Water

Neutral damage

Dark, Dragon, Fairy, Ghost, Normal, Psychic, Steel, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Bug, Ice, Poison, Rock

Weak (4x)

Fire, Flying

Type Notes

Grass-types are immune to Powder-based Moves.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[azure ether]

An ice steel type that's hit with Forest's Curse, I bet

[tiny karma]

- [Grass/Dark]

Immune

Psychic

Resists (0.5x)

Dark, Electric, Ghost, Grass, Ground, Water

Neutral damage

Dragon, Normal, Rock, Steel, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Fairy, Fighting, Fire, Flying, Ice, Poison

Weak (4x)

Bug

Type Notes

Grass-types are immune to Powder-based Moves.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[craggy dagger]

fur coat ice grass type
or
ice fighting forest curse into flying press

[tiny karma]

- [Ice/Steel/Grass]

Immune

Poison

Resists (0.25x)

Grass

Resists (0.5x)

Dragon, Electric, Fairy, Ice, Normal, Psychic, Water

Neutral damage

Bug, Dark, Flying, Ghost, Ground, Rock, Steel, Stellar

Weak (4x)

Fighting

Weak (8x)

Fire

Type Notes

Grass-types are immune to Powder-based Moves.
Ice-types cannot be Frozen.
Steel-types cannot be Poisoned.
Ice-types have their Defense increased by 50% in Snow.
Steel-types take no damage from Sandstorm.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[astral kelp]

8X FIRE WEAKNESS LOOOL

[azure ether]

How is 3 stacking weaknesses calculated? Is it 6x?

[astral kelp]

Not too bad tho ngl

[molten oasis]

I think she was saying most weaknesses on a dual typing

[astral kelp]

8x

[molten oasis]

Not strongest weakness

[torn parrot]

So far i e grass really is the worst iv seen

[craggy dagger]

yeah dual type :3

[craggy dagger]

grass dark is also pretty terrible imo

[astral kelp]

Honestly maybe ice and grass

[molten oasis]

Grass dragon is pretty bad

[azure ether]

I'd like to see an Ember dmg calc on that type combo lol

[tiny karma]

- [Grass/Dark]

Immune

Psychic

Resists (0.5x)

Dark, Electric, Ghost, Grass, Ground, Water

Neutral damage

Dragon, Normal, Rock, Steel, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Fairy, Fighting, Fire, Flying, Ice, Poison

Weak (4x)

Bug

Type Notes

Grass-types are immune to Powder-based Moves.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[molten oasis]

Honestly it probably is ice and grass

[astral kelp]

That's 7 weaknesses

[azure ether]

Ice Grass Bug

[tiny karma]

- [Rock/Psychic]

Resists (0.5x)

Fire, Flying, Normal, Poison, Psychic

Neutral damage

Dragon, Electric, Fairy, Fighting, Ice, Rock, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Bug, Dark, Ghost, Grass, Ground, Steel, Water

Type Notes

Rock-types take no damage from Sandstorm.
Rock-types have their Special Defense increased by 50% in a Sandstorm.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[molten oasis]

7

[tiny karma]

- [Ice/Grass]

Resists (0.5x)

Electric, Grass, Ground, Water

Neutral damage

Dark, Dragon, Fairy, Ghost, Ice, Normal, Psychic, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Bug, Fighting, Flying, Poison, Rock, Steel

Weak (4x)

Fire

Type Notes

Grass-types are immune to Powder-based Moves.
Ice-types cannot be Frozen.
Ice-types have their Defense increased by 50% in Snow.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[astral kelp]

That is also 7

I think 7 is the cap probably

[torn parrot]

True probably right

[craggy dagger]

fluffy is really bad

[torn parrot]

Maybe intentional design

[tiny karma]

Ability: Fluffy

This Pokemon receives 1/2 damage from contact moves, but double damage from Fire moves.

Sableye version 4.28.1

- [Ice/Bug/Grass]

Resists (0.25x)

Grass, Ground

Resists (0.5x)

Electric, Water

Neutral damage

Dark, Dragon, Fairy, Fighting, Ghost, Ice, Normal, Psychic, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Bug, Poison, Steel

Weak (4x)

Flying, Rock

Weak (8x)

Fire

Type Notes

Grass-types are immune to Powder-based Moves.
Ice-types cannot be Frozen.
Ice-types have their Defense increased by 50% in Snow.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[molten oasis]

I think ice grass is the worst one

[left bobcat]

Hmmmmmm

[astral kelp]

I think it's so funny how psychic type was broken gen 1 and then they made like 5 types do se damage to it or some shit

[left bobcat]

Bug grass?

[molten oasis]

Ghost was bugged in gen 1

[astral kelp]

It's died with grass dark

[cyan smelt]

jolteon pin missile was the only counter to psychic gen 1

[astral kelp]

Tied

[molten oasis]

The other part of finding bad defensive typings is how many resistances they have

[azure ether]

I always wondered what would happen if Steel got reverted to resist Dark and Ghost again

[astral kelp]

Oh true forgor about that

[tiny karma]

- [Fire/Rock]

Resists (0.25x)

Fire

Resists (0.5x)

Bug, Fairy, Flying, Ice, Normal, Poison

Neutral damage

Dark, Dragon, Electric, Ghost, Grass, Psychic, Steel, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Fighting, Rock

Weak (4x)

Ground, Water

Type Notes

Fire-types cannot be Burned.
Rock-types take no damage from Sandstorm.
Rock-types have their Special Defense increased by 50% in a Sandstorm.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[azure ether]

Seeing as Ghost is super busted rn

[craggy dagger]

that’s
surprising

[astral kelp]

Can someone tell. Me why ghost does NE to poison

[molten oasis]

Ghost isn’t busted

[astral kelp]

It's so random

[molten oasis]

They just overturned CSR

[left bobcat]

Well at least dark grass has an immunity and can hit ghost for super effective

[astral kelp]

Wb best type

[molten oasis]

and Flutter, I strongly believe fairy is the best typing in the game

[astral kelp]

Prolly fairy steel

[craggy dagger]

what about fire ground…

[astral kelp]

But I think a contender is

[molten oasis]

Fsiry steel water dragon water fairy

[left bobcat]

Fairy steel/ fairy ghost

[tiny karma]

Zoroark-Hisui [Normal/Ghost]

Immune

Fighting, Ghost, Normal

Resists (0.5x)

Bug, Poison

Neutral damage

Dragon, Electric, Fairy, Fire, Flying, Grass, Ground, Ice, Psychic, Rock, Steel, Stellar, Water

Weak (2x)

Dark

Type Notes

Ghost-types are immune to effects that prevent Switching.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[astral kelp]

3 immunities is fucking crazy

[molten oasis]

Fairy ghost is not a good defensive typing

[craggy dagger]

water dragon actually isn’t bad either

[left bobcat]

Fairy fire unfortunately that doesn’t exist yet

[molten oasis]

It has some immunities yes

But you have like, no notable resistances

[astral kelp]

It's pretty good

[craggy dagger]

you’re weak to….
freeze dry fairy dragon

you basically nullify water weakness

[molten oasis]

What you want out of a good defensive typing is resistances

[left bobcat]

Not to mention you can’t hit steel types for shit

[astral kelp]

I wanna try some forest curse shananigans

[azure ether]

Can't poison something that's dead

[craggy dagger]

making weakness into neutral isn’t bad though

[astral kelp]

I wonder what's the best type to add forest curse too

[craggy dagger]

as water dragon?

[molten oasis]

Hisui zoroark isn’t considered to have a good defensive typing because it’s just immunities

[astral kelp]

It's the other way around that'd what's weird

[left bobcat]

FAIRY dragon

[craggy dagger]

does still resist water-
i don’t remember my chart

[molten oasis]

Fairy dragon is kinda okayish

[astral kelp]

Zoroark is my goat

[tiny karma]

- [Fairy/Dragon]

Immune

Dragon

Resists (0.5x)

Bug, Dark, Electric, Fighting, Fire, Grass, Water

Neutral damage

Flying, Ghost, Ground, Normal, Psychic, Rock, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Fairy, Ice, Poison, Steel

Sableye version 4.28.1

[astral kelp]

Only weakness is like what dark?

[molten oasis]

It’s not bad

[craggy dagger]

fairy dragon is alright.
most dragon types get fire blast anyways

[molten oasis]

Dark yea but horoark can’t take any physical hits lol

[left bobcat]

It’s not bad unfortunately there’s like what 2 reps of that typing

[molten oasis]

That guy is so frail

[astral kelp]

Pretty decent

[tiny karma]

- [Water/Dragon]

Resists (0.25x)

Fire, Water

Resists (0.5x)

Steel

Neutral damage

Bug, Dark, Electric, Fighting, Flying, Ghost, Grass, Ground, Ice, Normal, Poison, Psychic, Rock, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Dragon, Fairy

Sableye version 4.28.1

[astral kelp]

Yeahhh

[molten oasis]

Definitely good typing

[astral kelp]

He's a sash needer

[molten oasis]

But I wouldn’t say it’s the best cuz you kinda lack resistances

[left bobcat]

Stat spread however

Typing is one thing but stat spreads is another

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- [Fairy/Water]

Immune

Dragon

Resists (0.5x)

Bug, Dark, Fighting, Fire, Ice, Water

Neutral damage

Fairy, Flying, Ghost, Ground, Normal, Psychic, Rock, Steel, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Electric, Grass, Poison

Sableye version 4.28.1

[molten oasis]

I want Tapu fini so bad man

[craggy dagger]

mhm!
it’s defensive in a “gets rid of water weaknesses”

rather than focusing on resistances

[astral kelp]

Fairy dragon is literally just specifically mega Algeria

[left bobcat]

I mean grass types are dookie but yet rilla and bulu (at least in the past) have a role

[tiny karma]

- [Steel/Fire]

Immune

Poison

Resists (0.25x)

Bug, Fairy, Grass, Ice, Steel

Resists (0.5x)

Dragon, Flying, Normal, Psychic

Neutral damage

Dark, Electric, Fire, Ghost, Rock, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Fighting, Water

Weak (4x)

Ground

Type Notes

Fire-types cannot be Burned.
Steel-types cannot be Poisoned.
Steel-types take no damage from Sandstorm.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[astral kelp]

Alteria

[molten oasis]

Yea, and ofc this is all meta dependent

[craggy dagger]

heatran is
fucking dumb

[molten oasis]

Heatran is a guy

[astral kelp]

4x weak to ground is pretty shitty weakness tho

[molten oasis]

Yea but you have a lot of good defenses

[craggy dagger]

tera bug fixes that

[astral kelp]

4 1/4 resistência is hilarious

[craggy dagger]

and you can’t be hit by fire cuz of flash fire

[tiny karma]

- [Fairy/Fire]

Immune

Dragon

Resists (0.25x)

Bug

Resists (0.5x)

Dark, Fairy, Fighting, Fire, Grass, Ice

Neutral damage

Electric, Flying, Ghost, Normal, Psychic, Steel, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Ground, Poison, Rock, Water

Type Notes

Fire-types cannot be Burned.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[molten oasis]

I want a fairy fire type so bad

[craggy dagger]

that’s not
bad

[molten oasis]

Such a cool typing

[azure ether]

It's either tera grass or tera bug, no?

[left bobcat]

Man game is gonna feel weird once Tera isn’t a thing

[astral kelp]

kinda sucks this is the ONLY dragon fairy type

its pretty incine typing honestly

[molten oasis]

It’s not even good lol

[azure ether]

That's what Champions is gonna be for

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Pokémon No. 334: Altaria-Mega

Types

Dragon/Fairy

Abilities

Pixilate

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

75/110/110/110/105/80

Total

590

Base Species

Altaria

Sableye version 4.28.1

[azure ether]

Tera will be here to stay, just not in the PVE games

[craggy dagger]

it’s
what are those stats

[molten oasis]

Shit

[tiny karma]

Altaria-Mega [Dragon/Fairy]

Immune

Dragon

Resists (0.5x)

Bug, Dark, Electric, Fighting, Fire, Grass, Water

Neutral damage

Flying, Ghost, Ground, Normal, Psychic, Rock, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Fairy, Ice, Poison, Steel

Sableye version 4.28.1

[astral kelp]

wait no its kinda shit

[craggy dagger]

i’m saddddd
i like altaria mega tho