i'd be mad
#competitive_discussion
molten oasis
spiral ridge
round 2 so game 1 of stream
pagos needed to switch up he basically let his second loss happen
mint void
why would it?
random sphinx
same type?
mint void
litterally no type hits itself well
spiral ridge
fairy being neutral to fairy is fine
mint void
But Ghost
spiral ridge
and dragon
lost sun
would charizard make a good sun and tailwind team
mint void
meh
not really. its probably not horrible but not good no
ChiYu Flutter are basically as good as it gets
thin garnet
Charizard would have trouble being in sun currently with the other powers at your disposal
opal inlet
tofu
molten oasis
hi tofu
https://pokepast.es/b03396c2791a765d idk if this is waht i had in my phone but this seems like it could work
i think torn shifu and hands can be a few different things but 3 mon fantasy and FWG core is funny
ripe acorn
what is a good ev spread for miridon
foggy lodge
I like full HP Miraidon
mint void
you could just 252 252 and adjust as u go
ripe acorn
still kind of building but rn hands, ogrepon, and fararig
foggy lodge
Yeah you can run bulky
ripe acorn
might add urshifu as well
foggy lodge
Miraidon @ Choice Specs
Ability: Hadron Engine
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 212 SpA / 28 SpD / 12 Spe
Modest Nature
- Electro Drift
- Draco Meteor
- Volt Switch
- Dazzling Gleam
ripe acorn
so would that be a main tank or pivot
foggy lodge
wdym
ripe acorn
nvmkind of depends on matchups
mint void
so would that be a main tank or pivot
u playing singles?
dense latch
that’s the bulkier miraidon set, if you prefer you can run it faster
ripe acorn
double
fathom geyser
I won a game with the horrendous mind vomit that is choice band helping hand explosion so surely it's good enough of a team to ladder with.
fathom geyser
Prankster?
atomic mural
prankster
fathom geyser
Does it have lagging tail?
ripe acorn
coaching riolu haha
fathom geyser
If so, hope you have thunder or earthquake.
mighty stump
wtf does Riolu do
Prankster Coaching
mint void
WTF is low ladder rn? It has never been this rotten
mighty stump
WTF is low ladder rn? It has never been this rotten
Reg G is so MU roulette more so than before
So yeah
fathom geyser
WTF is low ladder rn? It has never been this rotten
It's full of fun ideas and concepts.
mighty stump
“fun”
mint void
Reg G is so MU roulette more so than before
i decayed cause funny shit with Reshiram so its kinda wild rn
fathom geyser
Be a positive Polly and never lose. Trust.
thin garnet
How is the S&V comp scene
mighty stump
i decayed cause funny shit with Reshiram so its kinda wild rn
I have Paonite’d my way to 70%+ GXE again
Things have gone full circle
Bo3 ez pz
mint void
How is the S&V comp scene
above 1400 on SD its relatively normal
thin garnet
(I haven’t played a true thing but showdown since before lockdown)
mighty stump
still got it
mint void
I have Paonite’d my way to 70%+ GXE again
big. Im just gonna CSR back
mighty stump
Just prio spam when in doubt
thin garnet
above 1400 on SD its relatively normal
Is it time to lock back into being rainmain?
mint void
why not
mint void
Kyogre is neat
thin garnet
Kyogre a fraud where is my politoed
mint void
yeah no man...we in restricted format.
thin garnet
It’s all good I still have a lvl 15 fuecoco im far from being useful in any ladder
Especially this new one
foggy lodge
I have Paonite’d my way to 70%+ GXE again
Can we know the team?
I was using paonite too but with CSR
Animus's team
fallow palm
can somone help me make a team the mons i have ready: miriadon urshifu heartflame rialboom inicnearoar zamazenta
i have more mons i can build
next stump
zama/ursh/rilla/hearthflame are solid together
add chien pao and one more and you’ve got a solid team
left bobcat
kinda want a terapagos team
METEOR BEAMMMM
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/1d5ba2989d283974 my mu into CIR feels pretty bad, what could I do to improve it?
mint void
water shifu
fallow palm
get it then
i lost mine
mint void
how
molten oasis
Maybe, hands amoonguss, idk
left bobcat
No
molten oasis
Shifu lead still probably gets rid of the Support
I don’t wanna run watershifu on this team either tbf
Wake is where it would go
Single strike is there for CSR sorta
next stump
defensive tera like water on Zama
oops zacian*
that way they can’t just high horsepower you under TR
left bobcat
that way they can’t just high horsepower you under TR
Just iron defense
solid frigate
is MarcosR Moxie Boosted-
solid frigate
his name is marcos perez
that sacred me cuz 2 popular Players in just 1 GC
molten oasis
that way they can’t just high horsepower you under TR
Ok
For this maybe I go swords dance Zac, I think this is better than before tho
atomic mural
https://pokepast.es/2b003d14054b2b1e no more weezing
mint void
Female deedee with Shadow ball does the trick
Water Shifu Tera Water with Ogre does a lot too or just Stalwart Archaludon stuff
lost sun
Female deedee with Shadow ball does the trick
ye DeeDee gonna be female I just don't have one yet
left bobcat
Yeah males suck
shadow wind
strange fjord
big sad
shadow wind
Average Groudon luck I guess
The crit on flutter might've mattered but probably not
Both crits on Zong mattered though
strange fjord
Gotta run Bronzor, truust
strange fjord
running levitate right? or doing heatproof shenanigans?
molten oasis
Don’t run bronzor it’s not reg h where you can slap eviolite on something and call it a day lol
strange fjord
Don’t run bronzor it’s not reg h where you can slap eviolite on something and ca...
tsk but a jest
shadow wind
I wanted a TRTW mon but I couldn't think of one
I also wanted another fire type but also couldn't think of one
strange fjord
I wanted a TRTW mon but I couldn't think of one
I used to run Sigilyph in SwSh that fit that niche. Then it got dexit
shadow wind
Rip Sigilyph
I have like 5 shiny ones from Ultra Wormholes in USUM
These are the sets by the way
strange fjord
Wonder Skin do be silly
astral kelp
bro i went fuck it and decided to make a dumb ass team and its actually working what the fuck
i need taunt and encore support thoi lol
grizzled island
I'm still learning competitive, how's ur team function? Like why pick these certain ones?
lost sun
I'm still learning competitive, how's ur team function? Like why pick these cert...
I ain't familiar with the rest but landorus is super strong with sheer force and life orb as they both give 30% damage boosts but sheer force makes life orb do no recoil damage
charred saddle
they asked for conners team, and conner doesnt even have lando 
foggy lodge
XD
charred saddle
also i just realized u said sheer force makes u dont take recoil from life orb?
foggy lodge
I mean it does that
charred saddle
i just realized that 
foggy lodge
But the main thing is that it gets rid of secondary effects
charred saddle
no thats a genuine question
foggy lodge
Have you not realized that Landorus never gets recoil
charred saddle
never realized that kek
solid frigate
I'm just Tang Gang at this point
shadow wind
I'm still learning competitive, how's ur team function? Like why pick these cert...
So I use Groudon because I think he has some sauce, I don’t think he’s the best at all I just like the guy. Bronzong can pair well with Groudon because he gives the speed control in trick room that Groudon loves as well as being able to use gravity hypnosis to not only put things to sleep but also increase the accuracy of Pblades which is one of Groudons weaknesses. Everything else on the team is pretty self explanatory but if you want me to go more in depth on it I can
slim urchin
Youre right. I tried but it went tera water, first play. I was not expecting that, sadly. I was extremly tilted earlier lol. I am over it now. Just gotta move on! That is part of pokemon!
shadow wind
I guess I should mention that it has 2 modes, a TR and a TW mode. I tried to find mons that would function in both so the Ogerpon is slow
grizzled island
So I use Groudon because I think he has some sauce, I don’t think he’s the best ...
Ty
solid frigate
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2325773585
What the fuck is this guy doing-
lost sun
they asked for conners team, and conner doesnt even have lando <:KekHands:125129...
didn't even realise till now
lost sun
thoughts on these 5+ shifu
should I make shifu the 6th or not
charred saddle
thoughts on these 5+ shifu
how are u going to play against grass?
amoonguss rill
theres a reason why torn and kyogre pairs up well
lost sun
kyogre 1 shot every rillaboom it's hit
lofty tartan
252 SpA Choice Specs Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 124 SpD Assault Vest Rillaboom in Rain: 90-106 (43.4 - 51.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery
O.o?
What are you using against it? Ice Beam?
solid frigate
252 SpA Choice Specs Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 124 SpD Assault V...
that not bad
If you can safely click Spout That this
lofty tartan
252 SpA Choice Specs Kyogre Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 124 SpD Assault Vest Rillaboom: 130-154 (62.8 - 74.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery
lost sun
anyone else have to force close discord so messages load or is my WiFi just that bad
charred saddle
that not bad
If you can safely click Spout That this
we're not saying its bad dmg?
i asked on how they play against grass and they said they one shot rilla
lofty tartan
It's just not a one-shot
solid frigate
we're not saying its bad dmg?
i was saying about the damage isn't bad that does not mean about you saying thats bad damage
lofty tartan
That would be wild for Rilla to do vs Kyogre
lost sun
ive done it many times maybe people around my lvl just don't run bulky rilla
charred saddle
most rilla are going to be AV
lofty tartan
252 SpA Choice Specs Kyogre Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Rillaboom: 152-180 (86.8 - 102.8%) -- 18.75% chance to OHKO
Even like zero bulk it's a low roll
charred saddle
and most likely going to have some bulk on SpD especially
i mean if u feel fine against that, feel free to add ursh
lost sun
I'm gonna keep playing rn till I find a rilla and 1 shot it
I do terra kyogre to water a lot
lost sun
252 SpA Choice Specs Kyogre Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Rillaboom: 1...
also does this include rain damage
lofty tartan
It includes Rain, yes. But Ice Beam isn't affected by rain
252 SpA Choice Specs Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Rillaboom in Rain: 106-126 (60.5 - 72%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery
lost sun
fr
solid frigate
i rather just run Torn just to be easier for my life-
lost sun
but it's just fun
solid frigate
unless you have Fari for Glide cuz it still does over half to specs ogre
foggy lodge
Indeedee male is interesting
lofty tartan
Water Spout vs Groudon in Sun =/= vs Rillaboom in Rain
lost sun
ik
foggy lodge
But I think its better for GC
lofty tartan
You're talking a super-effective hit vs a resisted hit
lost sun
but I can't just go find a rilla
charred saddle
iron hands also going up in trend lately
shadow wind
I'm gonna 1 shot this groudon in the sun watch
😭😭
lofty tartan
Like yeah you'll find some Rillabooms without Vest, but a vast majority of Rillaboom does carry Vest, and that survives water-tera choice specs water spout in rain even with no bulk
shadow wind
I’ve died to so many Kyogres while in sun it ain’t even impressive anymore
lofty tartan
252 SpA Choice Specs Tera-Water Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Rillaboom in Rain: 142-168 (81.1 - 96%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery
craggy dagger
iron hands also going up in trend lately
charred saddle
btw conner are u running fire groudon or grass 
just a question
craggy dagger
leooooooo
solid frigate
heck even with like Miracle seed Sets it does not matter if you don't live it you still just nuke Kyogre
charred saddle
since im kinda interested in running groudon as sun setter lately
foggy lodge
I tried tera grass Groudon
solid frigate
I tried tera grass Groudon
same and i hate it.
craggy dagger
<:BPHug:707575085606764595>
look at what i cooked uppp
lost sun
should've made groudon fire type special attacker
charred saddle
water also seems interesting for CIR
foggy lodge
It was funny because bo1 cts and troll amoonguss
But it doesn't work without tera fire
Same as Koraidon
shadow wind
btw conner are u running fire groudon or grass <:kekpoli:1183398508133355571>
...
Fire all the way
charred saddle
look at what i cooked uppp
https://pokepast.es/acff64cc63e1b20e
solid frigate
water also seems interesting for CIR
isn't that what Most CIR Tera's are that is not Fairy
shadow wind
Stab heat crash in the sun is so worth it
craggy dagger
<:Waa:1248736217336643675>
it’s so everywhere 😭😭😭
charred saddle
isn't that what Most CIR Tera's are that is not Fairy
groudons tera. for CIR
shadow wind
Also Fairy + Ice resist is great for Groudon
solid frigate
groudons tera. for CIR
ok yeah fair enough
That helps CIR MU a lot
charred saddle
it’s so everywhere 😭😭😭
whats everywhere? 
shadow wind
It allows you to lead Groudon somewhat safely into Flutter chi yu
foggy lodge
Standings hasn't upload stockholm teams grrr
charred saddle
hmm
foggy lodge
My favorite activity of watching funny things making day 2 has been taken away from me
craggy dagger
whats everywhere? <a:eeveequestion:900416980044099654>
the teammm
charred saddle
oo 
idk where to point stuffs at
dragon tera boom and safety goggles IH is interesting
craggy dagger
spiral ridge
oh god yeah eh did
craggy dagger
whyyyyy
craggy dagger
oh god yeah eh did
YOU WERE THERE???
charred saddle
idfk
craggy dagger
spiral ridge
wh-
craggy dagger
i wasn’t invited :(
spiral ridge
you kinda left hte place to your own accord twice love
charred saddle
YOU WERE THERE???
me minh and scotty plans to join the next GC together
minh takes koraidon
scotty miraidon
me pagos
then each of us takes one form of ogerpons
craggy dagger
i’ll join too ig
spiral ridge
cant really invite ya when you go yourself 😭
craggy dagger
that makes 4 ogerpon forms
charred saddle
ooo 
spiral ridge
oo ok
foggy lodge
fighting for the fire/rock pon
craggy dagger
i’ll be playinggggg….
shadow rider i guess?
foggy lodge
Play Mewtwo
charred saddle
thats what i used lst time
minh takes cir
craggy dagger
or do i try no restricted in a (prolly) double res GC
spiral ridge
sure yeah we were tryna keep it to SV box legends but we kinda run out so youd have to go a horse ig
foggy lodge
The original restricted vs the 3 new restricteds
charred saddle
last time we did a galrian bird shiny theme
craggy dagger
dam
charred saddle
i did gapdos
minh garticuno
scotty goltres
charred saddle
or do i try no restricted in a (prolly) double res GC
thats just torture
spiral ridge
yeah lmfao
craggy dagger
<a:nononono:1174430995081068656>
thats just torture
it’s possible :)
charred saddle
but hoenstly i think for the next GC ill just run some dumb shit
like scarf/specs pagos decorate alcremie or something
foggy lodge
Oh play Mamoswine
spiral ridge
i still gotta make team cus last time ming fell asleep and time before i fell asleep 😭
charred saddle
ehh i dont like mamoswine
foggy lodge
But it's a silly guy
charred saddle
looks weird
foggy lodge
eviolite piloswine
charred saddle
if im going to bring some weird mon, im gonna bring my Hzorua
lost sun
odds on me going for spout on a miraidon instead of swapping to lando
mint void
https://pokepast.es/308932610881d595
How to improve this?
Pelipper really is utter shit.
And Teal Mask really was just for funnies but Defiant is pretty neat
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
astral kelp
mint void
funny
molten oasis
Ogerpon moment
astral kelp
i wonder if theres something else that increases crit hit ratio other than dragon cheer
mint void
laser focus
astral kelp
ooh super luck
mint void
there are other moves
astral kelp
its actually not thats much
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
craggy dagger
like scarf/specs pagos decorate alcremie or something <a:wheeze:1148999482256654...
are you guys wheeling the 4 ogerpon forms
cuz i kinda want dibs on teal 
mint void
cuz i kinda want dibs on teal <:poliwhirlkek:932149535311015988>
a bit late
solid frigate
https://pokepast.es/308932610881d595
How to improve this?
Pelipper really is utt...
why not just torn instead of Peli
lost sun
ev spreads probably wack but they're roughly what I want
charred saddle
are you guys wheeling the 4 ogerpon forms
hmm
i mean we havent like talked it out with minh and scotty haha
solid frigate
ev spreads probably wack but they're roughly what I want
why Hearthflame is here
foggy lodge
Get this Kyogre a TM 007
lost sun
Get this Kyogre a TM 007
for origin
solid frigate
lemme go on my teambuilder.
mighty stump
Can we know the team?
Ga shre
charred saddle
are you guys wheeling the 4 ogerpon forms
are you around to VC like in an hour or so maybe?
ill be home soon and then maybe vc with scotty to talk about gc
mighty stump
For me its like
charred saddle
prob also wait for minh tho
mint void
for origin
Protect i think
lost sun
ye protect for origin
lost sun
swapped
solid frigate
Origin is probably the best move for Kyogre rn
mint void
ev spreads probably wack but they're roughly what I want
Ogerpon form to Rock Probably or just use sth entirely different in that slot. Incin would work half decent since he doesnt even run a Fire move
+Taunt slot maybe
Also get rid of dark pulse on Torn and slap protect on that
Please dont Tera Ghost Indeedee but a defensive one. Ghost just ruins your MU into CSR with Shadow Ball
lost sun
Origin is probably the best move for Kyogre rn
annoying af sometimes tho I had it miss 3 times in a row once
spiral ridge
cuz i kinda want dibs on teal <:poliwhirlkek:932149535311015988>
i think that works
spiral ridge
prob also wait for minh tho
he should be awake by then
lost sun
Please dont Tera Ghost Indeedee but a defensive one. Ghost just ruins your MU in...
would fighting be good it resists both dark and bug
mint void
Fairy is most used. Maybe Dragon or Grass
charred saddle
he should be awake by then
nvm my family is taking a detour
mighty stump
@foggy lodge https://pokepast.es/1f4c07e618cf69f2
charred saddle
bg tofu, ga cengbeng?
mighty stump
cengbeng?
charred saddle
ziarah ke makam
lost sun
Fairy is most used. Maybe Dragon or Grass
I'll go fairy
foggy lodge
<@797571447118757910> https://pokepast.es/1f4c07e618cf69f2
Oh cool team
How is the stomping tantrum on dnite?
molten oasis
Tofu did the OPL (or whatever tf it’s called) end?
foggy lodge
I've been playing banded dnite too but I don't click it too much
Maybe I should go iron head
solid frigate
annoying af sometimes tho I had it miss 3 times in a row once
its not that annoying if you think about it in the long run cuz like this is doubles you still have your other pokemon for damage
+Water spout based on HP which is Even more annoying especially with your team comp no way to stop damage
solid frigate
everything that is not accurate is 50/50
mint void
but 85 accuracy feels like 50 sometimes
SO I like Volcarona and I have it on most my teams BUT she hates me for some reason...maybe too high workload
solid frigate
or for spread moves
25/50/25
lost sun
for incin I've put fake out parting shot knock off and taunt
solid frigate
no wisp to stop Physical attacker huh
craggy dagger
are you around to VC like in an hour or so maybe?
ill be home soon and then may...
uhhh-
maybe like 1-2 hours from now?
i’ll let you know
lost sun
no wisp to stop Physical attacker huh
wouldn't parting shot do the same thing
shadow wind
but 85 accuracy feels like 50 sometimes
Nah I think it feels 100% all the time(I’ve never told a bigger lie)
mint void
wouldn't parting shot do the same thing
not Clam users
shadow wind
wouldn't parting shot do the same thing
Clear amulet
lost sun
oh yh
molten oasis
My question won’t get answered ig, anyway what yall up to (the question wasn’t for any of ya)
solid frigate
wouldn't parting shot do the same thing
Clear Amulet.
I rather stopping them in 1 turn than 2 turn
lost sun
I've seen cir use clam
solid frigate
My question won’t get answered ig, anyway what yall up to (the question wasn’t f...
bored
lost sun
I've seen cir use clam
is that normal or just some random build
solid frigate
I've seen cir use clam
no shit thats like the most common item for it
foggy lodge
Gang what do yall think about this team https://pokepast.es/60b969ead1f44a1d
solid frigate
Gang what do yall think about this team https://pokepast.es/60b969ead1f44a1d
i feel ignored of not into the Dialga CIR dicussion
mint void
My question won’t get answered ig, anyway what yall up to (the question wasn’t f...
idk only Tofu does
lost sun
not Clam users
what should I swap
solid frigate
Why is that
idk its just can this reg End
molten oasis
idk only Tofu does
I know man lol
mint void
Idk I feel no wisp is ok
charred saddle
uhhh-
maybe like 1-2 hours from now?
i’ll let you know
mint void
I know man lol
just wanted to be kind and answer u so u dont feel ignored. Big boss Tofu just has a lot on his hands I guess
molten oasis
He’s usually busy and I don’t like pinging him, it’s fine
mint void
I think Imma have a look at a tournament next Weekend if we arent gonna have plans with the friend group. Uni start is in 2 weeks so shit is dead at that point anyway
craggy dagger
Gang what do yall think about this team https://pokepast.es/60b969ead1f44a1d
dialga serves no purpose 😭
mint void
expensive Trickroom setter
foggy lodge
Actually this https://pokepast.es/4850192d2f77127f
molten oasis
Archaludon in greg?
foggy lodge
Its okay
lost sun
incin gonna get intimidate obv
and terra ghost
molten oasis
I mean, it’s fine
lost sun
Archaludon in greg?
idk who Greg is but archaludon ain't in anyone
mint void
I mean, it’s fine
could be worse. it has usage.
molten oasis
You don’t know about gregulation g?
mint void
I think Stalwart is better for Arch
so much shit relies on redirection rn. Just smack that CSR for 50 and have Kyogre clean up
foggy lodge
Snarl
mint void
hush
lost sun
You don’t know about gregulation g?
is gregulation g gonna go mentally insane or smth
mint void
But yeah id at least go:
EShot, Dragon Pulse, Snarl, body press
bold geode
Greg G
mint void
i
solid frigate
Greg G
foggy lodge
And also doesn't insta die to Miraidon like Palkia
solid frigate
i think during the call i said about Thunderbolt on Palkia
molten oasis
is gregulation g gonna go mentally insane or smth
It’s greg g bro (im so sick of the format)
solid frigate
cuz like since Palkia prefers not to run a Water Move(Cuz most of them just fucking miss),it can work with sun lmao
lost sun
It’s greg g bro (im so sick of the format)
fr bring back the 2016 one
solid frigate
thats even worse.
molten oasis
No just give us double restricted
lost sun
that's the point
molten oasis
Single restricted is just, old
lost sun
6 restricted 🗣️
molten oasis
And zacian isn’t that good in this format
solid frigate
Double res in SV is infintely better
lost sun
how long has reg g been out
molten oasis
A total of 8 months
solid frigate
8 months since it splits into two waves
lost sun
so we should get a new reg soon right
solid frigate
We ran this reg twice
thanks to Reg H btw
gentle cragBOT
thanks to Reg H btw
morrispxg456 has given 1 Gen Rep to drayagedrago
molten oasis
Terrible decision lol
Made sense in the context of extending the format long enough for worlds
lost sun
how come xearneas is unused
molten oasis
Still sucked
molten oasis
how come xearneas is unused
The gen 6 legends aren’t in the game
solid frigate
how come xearneas is unused
its not even in the game
molten oasis
Xern would EVERYWHERE if it was legal
lost sun
oh thought u would be able to transfer it from swsh
molten oasis
Your team would be xern or anti xern
foggy lodge
ok gang I need a 6th mon for this team https://pokepast.es/4850192d2f77127f
Tournament in 20 minutes 0 practice 0 knowledge of the team 100% faithful
solid frigate
ok gang I need a 6th mon for this team https://pokepast.es/4850192d2f77127f
i don't necessary like this team but Bolt
lost sun
rillaboom maybe
mint void
Bolt
astral kelp
who tf cooked brushix
solid frigate
Me 4 hours ago
foggy lodge
Its amoonguss actually
lost sun
dialga pressure pp stall team make it happen
astral kelp
im fucking flabbergasted
solid frigate
The team suffers so much against Zama Miraidon I need something for both
Bolt
astral kelp
fake out synchronize indeedee
lost sun
think I seen this team before
solid frigate
thats just JP shenangins
solid frigate
and they play CTS which you guys would like
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Sableye version 4.28.1
solid frigate
in NA and EU we play OTS
JP plays CTS which favours their teambuild
solid frigate
which honestly idk why most people don't go to japan cuz Most comp players who only grind showdown likes CTS
slender zephyr
ok gang I need a 6th mon for this team https://pokepast.es/4850192d2f77127f
Gholdengo?
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Sableye version 4.28.1
astral kelp
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
imagine youre chillin in aschizor comes in and eats your berry in front of you
solid frigate
eh doubt that berries will be common here
astral kelp
thats what makes it so funny
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
lost sun
imagine losing cus a bug ate your berry
astral kelp
ikr
foggy lodge
Bolt is right there
Explain
lost sun
ikr
imagine winning cus u predicted it would happen so you gave it a berry it wouldn't like
bug bite does get 90 power with technician tho so it's the strongest bug move for scizor
astral kelp
oh yeea u turm does less
solid frigate
Explain
mostly decent against Zama and in certain ocassions good against Miraidon (If you force a Choice Lock)
But my arguement is mainly towards Zama since Booster bolt just Chunks it
lost sun
oh yeea u turm does less
there's also lunge
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
lost sun
less but lower attack is nice sometimes
astral kelp
oh thats seems way better
lost sun
only other option is x scissor
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
astral kelp
its literally just worse than lunge
lost sun
ye
lost sun
should let us mega gmax zmove and terra all in the same battle
astral kelp
god miraidon is so broken
lost sun
I can't be the only person who prefers non shiny mega rayquaza
craggy dagger
god miraidon is so broken
it’s not resisted so yeah-
as long as it’s not resisted, miraidon shreds though everything
shadow wind
That makes me thankful I’m running tanky Ogerpon
astral kelp
That makes me thankful I’m running tanky Ogerpon
i AM
shadow wind
What’s the set?
craggy dagger
that’s a wellspring
a max max hearthflame or any other resist can take it for 75% ish
molten oasis
Oof
shadow wind
Wellspring? Aren’t they running Sun?
craggy dagger
it doesn’t say that it resisted
not very effective, ogerpon lost 100% of its health-
p sure that’s how the showdown thing shows up
craggy dagger
oh wait
did you mean like a team in this chat-
i was talking about the image
shadow wind
Would be weird if they were running wellspring on sun though
craggy dagger
they’re not running sun-
shadow wind
Oh they ain’t?
Oh they run Lunala
Ok last I saw they were running Sun, that’s my bad
I love playing against Miraidon
craggy dagger
choice band entei is so stupid
shadow wind
choice band entei is so stupid
I agree 100%
They click espeed and then any ghost type comes out and they’re useless
I never ran banded Entei, I always ran Lorb or AV
shadow wind
At least Dragonite kills stuff
Entei has a 115 Atk stat
And Entei has good moves to click like Sacred fire or Flare blitz
Dragonite has like Outrage and aerial ace
molten oasis
Fair enough
molten oasis
Dragonite has like Outrage and aerial ace
You mean Tera flying Tera blast
shadow wind
Greedy
molten oasis
Cuz idt people run aerial ace, rn at least
mint void
Tofu does
craggy dagger
I agree 100%
it does so much damage 😭
i’m just happy that it’s my ally
shadow wind
Nah they run stuff like low kick
shadow wind
it does so much damage 😭
i’m just happy that it’s my ally
Oh I meant that it was bad and I hated it
mint void
Thats my goat. LeTofu
shadow wind
LeBron(Zong)
foggy lodge
I have never seen low kick banded nite
molten oasis
Plus flying coverage is good rn, was more saying I don’t see a ace dnites
craggy dagger
Oh I meant that it was bad and I hated it
oopsie
shadow wind
I have never seen low kick banded nite
What? Really?
foggy lodge
What? Really?
Most paonite teams play urshifu and there you have the fighting coverage
The most popular paonite team rn runs both urshifu and hands
foggy lodge
It was used in very VERY early reg H with AV sets
And then the loaded dice set popularized
craggy dagger
i remember that but it wasn’t ever banded 
low kick isn’t something you wanna be locked into
since its power varies on the target
astral kelp
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2325861652-nb9xr6drn25qeq3u3mfyluuaucwve6dpw
this is a team for sure
astral kelp
Wellspring? Aren’t they running Sun?
nah this is something else
astral kelp
Ok last I saw they were running Sun, that’s my bad
yea im trying a bunch of different stuff
these are the teams ive cooked recently trying to make something good and consistent
astral kelp
this team is feeling good too
foggy lodge
oh god
guys someone in another server said about proto speed brute bonnet
If you were max speed brute bonnet
And you were intimidated
Shouldn't you get a proto speed boost
foggy lodge
Or not even max speed just that after -1 its highest stat is speed
foggy lodge
Nah because proto picks before intimidate
but sun exists xd
astral kelp
Oh true
foggy lodge
You get intimidated and you enter with sun setter and you get the speed boost
astral kelp
If you get intimidated THEN prock sun
That should work actually
But then you might as well just go vivilon lol
foggy lodge
But then you might as well just go vivilon lol
Only if Vivillon wasn't dogshit😭
astral kelp
Nah fast 97% accurate sleep powder is legit good
astral kelp
Its the fastest turn 1 sleep that doesn't rely on gravity
foggy lodge
Nah I'm just connecting sleep powder
astral kelp
Based
foggy lodge
shadow wind
It seems to have a ton of options though
foggy lodge
noo it doesn't show anything
shadow wind
I think I literally watched that
foggy lodge
Its a groudon meme
shadow wind
And liked it
Yeah wait
I sent it to a buddy yesterday 😭
Collective humour
But like is there anything with this team that looks off?
spiral ridge
brinring mirai whimsi fake tears back with this
Lvl 50 252 SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Draco Meteor vs. -2 Lvl 1 0 HP / 0 SpD 0 IVs Bagon: 44780-52686 (373166.6 - 439050%) -- guaranteed OHKO
shadow wind
That poor Bagon
The Tangs were really cooking with Firepon and Moon
Those 2 have lowkey been cooking
Amplified by the sun
LeBron(zong) strikes again
astral kelp
But like is there anything with this team that looks off?
10/10
shadow wind
🙏
astral kelp
bronzong sooo slow tho
shadow wind
Still faster than Amoonguss
astral kelp
but hypnosis and gravity in the same mon is really godo
astral kelp
Still faster than Amoonguss
wait is it?
shadow wind
Yeah
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
shadow wind
34 compared to 31
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
astral kelp
3 \
shadow wind
But for some reason not all Amoonguss are min speed
astral kelp
main thing is no safety goggles or grass types can stop you
shadow wind
I've undersped a lot of Amoonguss
astral kelp
is it like
shadow wind
main thing is no safety goggles or grass types can stop you
Exactly
astral kelp
they wanna outspeed bronzong SPECIFICALLY
also i love seeing all the arubega/arubega adjacents
like they legit dont know how to play the team i think ive yet to lose an arubega matchup with a "serious" team
clean tera fr
astral kelp
yea whimsycott just cant do shit to tera dark
shadow wind
Prankster immunity and Astral barrage resist
astral kelp
idk why he light screened tbh
astral kelp
Prankster immunity and Astral barrage resist
ooh yea i forgot about that second part
cyan smelt
Walls caly I and landorus too
shadow wind
252 SpA Life Orb Calyrex-Shadow Astral Barrage vs. 0 HP / 252 SpD Tera Dark Bronzong: 57-68 (40.1 - 47.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
shadow wind
Walls caly I and landorus too
Yup
shadow wind
Groudon loves Bronzong
astral kelp
btw other than the obvious what the fuck is my comfey set, what do you think of this team
astral kelp
Groudon loves Bronzong
ye gravity + trick room
shadow wind
I would suggest a water type
Like scarf Urshifu
That mon + Terapagos is stupid oppressive
astral kelp
why specifically scarfshifu?
shadow wind
Maybe it's just dumb against Groudon
astral kelp
i feel like taunt is really good
shadow wind
Cause Tera stellar gets rid of sun and Shifu outspeeds
astral kelp
oh yea
shadow wind
This might just be from me playing Groudon though
astral kelp
i def agree tho rn if repagos dies my team just LOSES
shadow wind
Cause booster energy doesn't get affected
Yeah, I don't think you need Indeedee and Vivillion
And dual terrains is kinda eh
shadow wind
You could run psychic terrain still
astral kelp
they never see it coming its crazy how often they dont play around it
shadow wind
Tera stellar to get rid of psychic terrain and fake out
cyan smelt
Would bronzong struggle against moon or flutterfish
astral kelp
foggy lodge
It should kinda struggle into Moon i think cuz knock off
shadow wind
It should kinda struggle into Moon i think cuz knock off
A little bit yeah
But 150 BP Gyro ball hurts
foggy lodge
150 goddamn how heavy is Roaring Moon
cyan smelt
Fast
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Sableye version 4.28.1
cyan smelt
Gyro ball is based on speed
shadow wind
Booster speed puts it
foggy lodge
Oh yeah my bad
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
shadow wind
( 25 x 34 / 282 ) + 1
Wait
( 25 x 282 / 34 ) + 1
If there wasn't a max it would be 208 BP
astral kelp
is there any move that goes above 160 bp
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
shadow wind
Z moves
foggy lodge
When I woke up they were in round 4 and I said "let's watch the regional since the beggining I'll get to the live stream at some point" and I got hit by CSR Geezing vs Terapagos round
astral kelp
man could you imagine if a pokemon with more than 100 atk learnt that
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
torn parrot
Guess I better do my masterball run soon
astral kelp
Guess I better do my masterball run soon
wachu runnin
torn parrot
wachu runnin
Same pawmot team, iv been away from vgc havnt made anything
I always get into a slump when restricted rolls around
Just kinda dip
It’s not fun for me
cyan smelt
Man I need to find a good team before the 25th, that's the deadline before the regional next weekend
torn parrot
Good luck
cyan smelt
Ty I'm gonna get my ass whooped because bo3 is a whole other level of difficult
torn parrot
Nah you’ll get used to it
Just practice alot
After like a day of warmup you’ll be good to go
cyan smelt
Should probably just use mdb's euic team since I'm basically using it already just with a couple of different mons
torn parrot
Sounds good to me
cyan smelt
Only problem is it struggles with dozo
foggy lodge
7 months in the same format is doing effect
Wait until GS Cup
It can be interesting
torn parrot
Gs cup?
foggy lodge
Double restricted
torn parrot
Ah yeah yeah
might tune back in
Think I’ll be in a less stressful point in my life as well
When’s double restricted rolling around?
Gotta be soon now right?
torn parrot
Did the rules get announced
cyan smelt
They'll announce the new format soon right
torn parrot
Or is showdown just speculating
foggy lodge
I think they got leaked by japan
cyan smelt
So it is double restricted right
foggy lodge
Yeah its just two restricteds
torn parrot
Exciting stuff
foggy lodge
It can be cool less MU roulette
cyan smelt
Man I'm gonna struggle, probably just use Zama + caly s
foggy lodge
It happens
torn parrot
I’ll probably make one team for double restricted see how I like it
foggy lodge
Maybe its just better to play other things, still try to take a look at double restricted to see if you like it or not when it comes
torn parrot
Maybe its just better to play other things, still try to take a look at double r...
Yeah but I want to full experience of vgc
From start to finish
Iv come too far just to quit completely in the final stretch
The final format
😔
shadow wind
Holy smokes
Wait someone asked about Flutterfish earlier
Game one shows the MU
"MU" I guess
torn parrot
Conner what you playin in double restricted
Im thinking about playing
Double dog 🐕
Ooo doggies ooooo
Doggy doggy
Woggy
torn parrot
Groudon groudon lmao
shadow wind
Why are there electric types that get protosynthesis but no fire types that get quark drive
Wait
Iron Moth
shadow wind
Rising Voltage + Lorb + Protosynthesis
charred saddle
running a weird team kek
shadow wind
- Ratio + Raging Bolt + He's goated + Urshifu is dead
torn parrot
Desnt gouging fire fulfill the same thing as an iron moth in terrain and sun
torn parrot
It’s true he does not do that
molten oasis
shadow wind
running a weird team kek
Do you have sunny day and rain dance on Torn?
Also how does weather ball work with tera stellar?
charred saddle
Do you have sunny day and rain dance on Torn?
rain dance only
i mean having both is quite interesting
molten oasis
whos running 2 weathers on torn
charred saddle
i mean ngl its interesting
shadow wind
Someone with Entei and Ogerpon-W on the same team
molten oasis
its not, suggested
molten oasis
just commit to one, probably sunny day since like, entei is probably your sweeper but ig if you want both its fine
charred saddle
ill think about it more
shadow wind
Imagine they think you've used your Tera stellar boost for weather ball then you make it a water type move
molten oasis
wait does that work? lmao
shadow wind
wait does that work? lmao
I don't see why not
charred saddle
Imagine they think you've used your Tera stellar boost for weather ball then you...
oh thats what u meant, honestly i never thought abut this too
shadow wind
It's a different type
shadow wind
Isn't the GC happening?
shadow wind
Ah ok
charred saddle
just preparing ahead since this GC me and my friends got jumpscared and we havent prepared anythhing
shadow wind
Fair
charred saddle
we're doing a themed challenge for GC
someone is running koraidon, other else is miraidon, im going pagos
shadow wind
I think I've participated in one GC
charred saddle
each of us took different ogerpons
shadow wind
That's kinda dope
molten oasis
thats dope
charred saddle
for funsies
shadow wind
I've played too much Bo3 to go back
My teams are now too honest 😔
I've lost my Bo1 edge
charred saddle
the koraidon guy has an idea to have special attacker entei
charred saddle
solarbeam shadowball eruption heatwave specs entei
shadow wind
I'm now realizing Firepon doesn't need like any atk invest
shadow wind
Tangs were cooking with that one
Oh also I hit 1500 in Bo3 again
I like the current team, it has a lot of options
molten oasis
I'm now realizing Firepon doesn't need like any atk invest
firepon is busted
shadow wind
Especially in sun
molten oasis
bro just goes all bulk and nukes shit anyway
shadow wind
+1 76+ Atk Hearthflame Mask Tera Fire Ogerpon-Hearthflame-Tera Ivy Cudgel vs. +1 100 HP / 236+ Def Zamazenta-Crowned in Sun: 216-256 (120 - 142.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Ogerpon-Hearthflame (F) @ Hearthflame Mask
Ability: Mold Breaker
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 76 Atk / 132 Def / 44 SpD / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Ivy Cudgel
- Wood Hammer
- Follow Me
- Spiky Shield
I don't even know what the proper evs should be but I like these ones
astral kelp
+1 76+ Atk Hearthflame Mask Tera Fire Ogerpon-Hearthflame-Tera Ivy Cudgel vs. +1...
thats fucking crazy
shadow wind
Am I outspeeding him? God no
astral kelp
wb wood hammer vs kyogrwe
shadow wind
Will I outskill him? Yessir
astral kelp
Will I outskill him? Yessir
you will def live at least 1 hit
shadow wind
76+ Atk Hearthflame Mask Ogerpon-Hearthflame Wood Hammer vs. 252 HP / 52 Def Kyogre: 38-48 (131 - 165.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
shadow wind
+1 236+ Def Sword of Ruin Zamazenta-Crowned Body Press vs. 252 HP / 132 Def Ogerpon-Hearthflame: 156-184 (83.4 - 98.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
It's close for sure
astral kelp
wb like caly ice
shadow wind
Yo I just found a calc
20 speed evs on Ogerpon means I always outspeed Zama with 252+ speed at -1
76+ Atk Hearthflame Mask Ogerpon-Hearthflame Ivy Cudgel vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Calyrex-Ice: 134-158 (65 - 76.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
No sun no tera
astral kelp
on sun and tera that definitevly kills it
shadow wind
+1 76+ Atk Hearthflame Mask Tera Fire Ogerpon-Hearthflame-Tera Ivy Cudgel vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Calyrex-Ice: 264-312 (128.1 - 151.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
No sun needed
charred saddle
shadow wind
+1 0- Atk 1 IVs Hearthflame Mask Tera Fire Ogerpon-Hearthflame-Tera Ivy Cudgel vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Calyrex-Ice in Sun: 272-324 (132 - 157.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
charred saddle
also i saw something fucking funny
https://pokepast.es/7d69666c66890f0f
the fuck is this?
scarf steel tera rillaboom
shadow wind
https://pokepast.es/843f2aeb01b68a03
Get rid of hurricane RIGHT NOW
charred saddle
oh fuck i forgot theres no more rain
shadow wind
Also do you have to stick with Ogerpon W?
charred saddle
yeah thats what i get
astral kelp
one thing is
astral kelp
why sunny day and huricane instead of rain?
shadow wind
Could go Grasspon
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
charred saddle
tealpon is taken by someone else
charred saddle
so yeah im stuck with waterpon
charred saddle
hmm yeah maybe
shadow wind
Raging bolt gets weather ball as well
charred saddle
thing is what am i dropping
shadow wind
Protect
charred saddle
nah i think bolt still needs tclap/bolt/draco
shadow wind
I've seen Torn without protect
charred saddle
hmm
astral kelp
beautiful wording con
charred saddle
no i know rilla can run something else, its just that AV rilla is just too good to get off
shadow wind
Whatever you think you wanna play with will end up working the best
charred saddle
and bolt hm
astral kelp
im starting to not like tornados
taunt tailwind is good
his stats feel kinda ass lowkey
idk why
maybe i shouldnt run bleakwind storm anymore
charred saddle
hmmmm im fucking Mcthinking Eweb bolt is nice too
shadow wind
He's offensively made
shadow wind
hmmmm im fucking Mcthinking Eweb bolt is nice too
Eweb bolt is so awesome
I never run it but I do like it
astral kelp
offensively made but only gets stab on flying
charred saddle
yeah especially im running HO pagos
shadow wind
I always slot weather ball over eweb
shadow wind
Usually yeah
astral kelp
yeah im realizing as well that eweb is kinda mid on a slow pokemon like raging bolt
shadow wind
Clear amulet ‼️
shadow wind
yeah im realizing as well that eweb is kinda mid on a slow pokemon like raging b...
Huh?
charred saddle
oh shit Clam rilla might be quite nice
shadow wind
Eweb Bolt is epic
Don't know what you're talking about
Thing is fat as balls and lives everything
cyan smelt
woah annihilape got a new sprite on showdown
charred saddle
Eweb bolt opens up new gameplan
shadow wind
Then boom everything is slower
charred saddle
STAB hit doubles, high SpA, and also speed drop
shadow wind
Wait
shadow wind
Grassy seed Rillaboom with Acro
charred saddle
while yeah bolt doesnt get the value as much, the other mon in party does
cyan smelt
new annihilape sprite
shadow wind
Oh whoa
charred saddle
Grassy seed Rillaboom with Acro
shadow wind
It looks really good
charred saddle
nah but then cycling FO with rilla feels weird then
shadow wind
Groudon just popped off in his chair
charred saddle
since u lose the seed boost
cyan smelt
too bad annihilape is only gonna be used for final gambit
charred saddle
im gonna try CLAM
shadow wind
Could be cool
charred saddle
but shit
tclap tbolt web draco
think i like web more since then i wont have to rely on the weather too much
shadow wind
For sure
charred saddle
ill try this for now
shadow wind
I just love wball too much
252+ SpA Protosynthesis Raging Bolt Weather Ball (100 BP Fire) vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Calyrex-Ice in Sun: 204-240 (99 - 116.5%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
And also water against Lando
astral kelp
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2325927037
incin + rilla boom is sooo digusing its like playing this ine asy mode
shadow wind
I don't think I've ever used both on the same team
charred saddle
ykw i think ill drop tbolt
shadow wind
Risky
astral kelp
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2325929550
based metronome enjoyer
shadow wind
It's a Christmas miracle
It's a Christmassier miracle
252 SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Volt Switch vs. 100 HP / 4 SpD Flutter Mane in Electric Terrain: 123-145 (86 - 101.3%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO
Ok not as crazy as I thought
252+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Volt Switch vs. 100 HP / 4 SpD Flutter Mane in Electric Terrain: 135-160 (94.4 - 111.8%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO
Modest though