competitive_discussion

[spiral ridge]

mine timid

[solid frigate]

timid is way better

[dense latch]

new pocket expansion got me like

https://tenor.com/view/akira-leave-me-alone-leave-me-alone-meme-gif-6420351794930725971

i hope it’s not as annoying in this game 🙏

[spiral ridge]

these 3 are completely tied

[bold geode]

Oh shit
I forgot there was a regional this weekend

[lost sun]

what abt the evs every other build ive found just says 252 spe spa

[spiral ridge]

you could run that yeah

Vs: 212 HP / 140 Def / 20 SpA / 4 SpD / 132 Spe this the bulk i have from old MDB team
tho moneky did the EVs

[random sphinx]

how is ruination not used more

[next stump]

very very limited distribution

[molten oasis]

The 2 prominent ruins also don’t really want to use it

[spiral ridge]

plus most mons that do learn it are strong enough to do more with normal attacks
was p much just like wo chien

[solid frigate]

10-5

for today

[random sphinx]

how do you not terrastilize your miraidon when my raging bolt is right there

[lost sun]

swear I've just had the longest game of my life

and the only Pokémon I lost was amoonguss

[random sphinx]

oh my god this guy is an open book and I know all the words

[real prairie]

GGs broski

[solid frigate]

so far so good rn,way better than last time

[real prairie]

My day 1 is far worse than last time, but I guess at least it's not setting me up for disaster 🤣

The L I took last time was biblical

10 minutes til we see wtaf Wolfe is doing with Fletchling

[spiral ridge]

this is taking so fucking long holy shit just tell me what i like

[solid frigate]

wait how is your win ratio

[real prairie]

This weekend, 8-7 I think so far

[solid frigate]

F

[real prairie]

Have to play the rest Sunday as I'm out tomorrow

I was 6-1 so yeah, F

Lol it's a live stream, Wolfey is using it now in GC 🤣

[spiral ridge]

ok so um selecting so many may have fucked me

[solid frigate]

idk why he use Fletchling but ok

[atomic mural]

Bro what

[solid frigate]

HE FINALLY USE TURTLE

OK NVM THIS TEAM IS PEAK

/j

[spiral ridge]

oh god thats his GC
dear god

[solid frigate]

tbf

he already won EUIC so why not be funny

He already can go to worlds

[real prairie]

3 times lol

He won 3 auto placements

[solid frigate]

Wolfey fans are gonna be pestering me

[real prairie]

Ditto into zacian copies the boost and activates intrepid LOL ditto gonna be wild in double restricted

[lost sun]

fr I hate ditto

my biggest problems rn are lunala and crs should I swap whimsicott for tornadus and give it dark pulse on my kyogre team

this my team

[next stump]

how is calyrex shadow a problem? i think your team looks pretty neutral intent

into it*

[solid frigate]

Just water Spout Nerd /j

[lost sun]

could be a me problem tbh

[lost sun]

last time I played it they had a Mon with wide guard

and my kyogre is specs but I'm gonna change it to the water atk buff item after comp is done

[real prairie]

So wolfeys whole gimmick with Fletchling is it's a normal type in a mono type team... I expected something bigger

[lost sun]

couldn't he just put porygon in instead

[real prairie]

He wanted a prankster TW setter, but there isn't a normal type with prankster + TW

[spiral ridge]

OH

THATS WHY THIS WAS TAKING SO LONG I DIDNT SEE THE FOUND FAVORITES TAB

[real prairie]

So he took Fletchling who is gale wings TW

[real prairie]

Hahahaha

How many did you get done? 🤣🤣🤣

You've been at it for hours

[spiral ridge]

top whatever the fuck im so done

[lost sun]

that's top 144

[real prairie]

Damn! Lol

[spiral ridge]

@chrome knot is this list gay to you (i already know the answer)

[lost sun]

in the first slide only

[spiral ridge]

can you tell i was an XY child

[real prairie]

Lunala fave is wild

[lost sun]

205 all together if I can count

[spiral ridge]

im surprised by it too
its probably because i worked so hard for the shiny (2 ish years of DAs) that i have to like it

wasnt expecting nebby

[lost sun]

mega audio being in the top 1024 is wild

[real prairie]

Haha fair enough

[spiral ridge]

mega audino is so pretty

[real prairie]

Cutie pie mon

[craggy dagger]

Glaceon best pokemon though

[spiral ridge]

ive literally never used them so them getting 2nd place is
wow

[lost sun]

if I did mine it'd be obvious I was an oras child

[spiral ridge]

glaceon is in there i think

[craggy dagger]

my top five are Glaceon, Leafeon, Latias, Lunala, Chi yu

[spiral ridge]

i remember clicking glaceon a lot

[real prairie]

Mega Baynette saddens me, OG >

[spiral ridge]

but i defo clicked sylve and espe more

[spiral ridge]

nah i fuck with the zippers too much

[lost sun]

mega banette goes hard

[spiral ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/banette-pokemon-banette-mega-banette-pokemon-mega-banette-shadow-ball-gif-14204043562531094787

[craggy dagger]

it doessss

[spiral ridge]

i love zipper looks like that

[real prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/banette-pokemon-game-laugh-hehe-gif-14625381

[spiral ridge]

theyre cute too

[craggy dagger]

i don’t really like mega forms that much but banette is one of them

[lost sun]

does mega banette have sticky fingers

[craggy dagger]

that i like

[real prairie]

Sableye bangs

[spiral ridge]

i lkove mega sableye that should be there

[real prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/sableye-pokemon-block-gif-5110283

[lost sun]

anyone want to 1v1 in doubles I'm bored

[craggy dagger]

sableye banette and absol

[real prairie]

Cart or SD?

[lost sun]

what's cart

[real prairie]

Console haha

[lost sun]

and I'm guessing SD means showdown

[real prairie]

Cartridge = cart

[lost sun]

on console

[real prairie]

DM me

[lost sun]

ok

[spiral ridge]

Mega audino is mwah

[lost sun]

sent

[spiral ridge]

Two megas I was sad didn’t make it far
Mega Ray and lucario

But yeah that took

Almost 3 hours cus I was dumb

[left bobcat]

ITS BO TIME

[lost sun]

bo

[real prairie]

You were dedicated 😅

[spiral ridge]

Accidentally yes

I thought it’s cus I was so indecisive in the first half I was paying for it 😭

[solid frigate]

bo

[next stump]

wolfey rank 80 with fletchling lma

lmao

[solid frigate]

is it a support set

(Rn i am no 965)

[real prairie]

The Fletchling is whatever, it's the mono normal team that's funny

No CSR drama lol

[mint void]

Scizor I see

[real prairie]

@torn parrot

[solid frigate]

oh yeah Wolfey Spams CSR in wave 1

[mint void]

Looks like it is impaled

[molten oasis]

wow its a mono normal team

[lost sun]

scizor goated

[real prairie]

@solid frigate

[mint void]

Its not horrible with Ogre.

[lost sun]

tis

[mint void]

Ngl...tht would be too much for me. Lil cringe

No u can sit there. My life size greninja sits there

[solid frigate]

nah i am good with regular frog

can't belive they remember this form

[bold geode]

God bless Fletchling bro

He's doing better than me with a fucking Fletchling

[bold geode]

Bro made me think of the Gardevoirs again

[real prairie]

World champ difference

[real prairie]

[bold geode]

Y'know what
I didn't see as much nasty shit with those as I thought I would
The world's healing

[real prairie]

Maybe so

[mint void]

No 23

With fletching rn

[real prairie]

Funny shit

[left bobcat]

I’m shitting

[mint void]

11-0

[lost sun]

can't beat me and my 2-3

[solid frigate]

10-5 kek

Greninja isn't so bad after all

[left bobcat]

Bullshit

[solid frigate]

killed a Kyogre kek

[real prairie]

Wolfey just makes pokemon look so easy

[molten oasis]

Skill issue tbh

[grizzled island]

I've seen people get the bunny in sv how do I get them

[astral kelp]

Lol wtf

Is he not even gonna explain it

[atomic mural]

bro only lost 1 game

[real prairie]

He did, it's a mono normal team and the only priority TW normal type is fletching

[astral kelp]

Wait why did he make a mono normal team

Just content?

[real prairie]

Shits and giggles

[astral kelp]

Yeah alright Ic lmao

[real prairie]

And he won the last GC with CSR so was probably expecting lots of them

Mono normal team makes it pretty shit

[astral kelp]

What ir it's expanding force csr

[atomic mural]

he won with koraidon

[real prairie]

He can turn off the terrain with terapagos

[real prairie]

Oh yeah lol

[astral kelp]

Honestly I see the vision

[real prairie]

Someone said earlier he used CSR, I just ran with it, whoops

[astral kelp]

Like you make your whole team Normal type, run a ground type

And uh what else is there maybe a water type

[astral kelp]

And you're immune to the entire format 1000iq

[bold geode]

Fr tbh

[grizzled island]

Why is the hissuion snsealers taking over competitive?

[atomic mural]

that was last reg

[astral kelp]

I wanna try decorate rapagos thoughts?

[solid frigate]

no

do not.

[astral kelp]

Lol why

It just let's me do like turn 1 kabloeeys

[mint void]

Afaii he ppayed his perish team last gc no?

[foggy lodge]

wdym

Decorate your Terapagos or

Terapagos using fucking decorate

[astral kelp]

Well obviously Smeargle apagos

[foggy lodge]

Oh yeah

[real prairie]

So what Wolfey is doing now

[foggy lodge]

I tried it on cart ladder with arubega's Pagos team

I felt it was very strong

Specs pagos + decorate

[astral kelp]

Wait shit you're right

[real prairie]

Exactly what Wolfey is running

[astral kelp]

I only saw this and I thought of decorate rapagos unconsciously lmao

[foggy lodge]

Nah but decorate + pagos is from worlds lol

Sebastián Escalante used it

[real prairie]

Yeah, not Wolfey thing, but @astral kelp literally shared the team 2 minutes ago which is why I'm like "bro, you just saw it happen lol"

[astral kelp]

Well either way I'm over it making a calyrex psych up team lmao

[real prairie]

Haha back to the psych up

[foggy lodge]

https://pokepast.es/fc540a22b8da3ede

[astral kelp]

I would play the Groudon team but I forgor to share the poke paste for it so now I can't play it at work without having to remake it and I cbf lmao

[real prairie]

You didn't save it to the SD database?

[astral kelp]

Anyways we shell smashing

[real prairie]

Whoops

[astral kelp]

You can do that?

[real prairie]

Yeah, it's a little buggy, but it works

[astral kelp]

thing is now im trying to like actually teambuild something that would work consistently

and this kinda isnt it LMAO

[astral kelp]

wth why does it not do thatautomatically then

[real prairie]

Then you are starting in the wrong place haha

[real prairie]

You have to do it manually

[astral kelp]

yeah

oh well im sure psych up caly has potential somehow LOL

[real prairie]

If you are going with white herb strats, may I suggest having a defiant Mon in the team, need to discourage imtimdate

Personally think if you are going psych up strats, go with a contrary Mon.

[astral kelp]

yeah true incin would kinda shit on it

enamorous time to shine :0

[real prairie]

Not really, it has no moves that benefit it's ability

[astral kelp]

yeah wtf

i was just olooking through its move pool

all it has is like fucking super power??

[real prairie]

Serperior probably better as leaf storm gives it SpAtk boosts

[astral kelp]

yeah

psych up contrary

[real prairie]

Put a sash in it, you are gonna get at least 1 boost for psych up

[astral kelp]

plus you can run tera stellar

which i love

[real prairie]

Yeah, tera stellar tera blast

[astral kelp]

wait omg i just realixed

this is a swamp team

holy shti i didnt realize serperior had fucking 75 SPA

????

[lost sun]

6th Mon gonna be tornadus

thoughts?

[solid frigate]

its fine

one of the staples on Kyogre team

[astral kelp]

💀

[solid frigate]

bruh

[lost sun]

ai over view the best thing ever

told me conkeldur was ground fighting and that murkrow was ghost flying

[astral kelp]

pfff

im considering not going csr for psych up

just cuz hes so frail

[real prairie]

AI overview is absolutely awful, why its so shite compared to the actual Gemini i dont know

[astral kelp]

well it costs power every time you do an ai search, google has millions if not billions of searches a day

[real prairie]

CIR psych up then, GGs

[astral kelp]

so they prolly have a shitty one

[real prairie]

with Malamar, TR team

[astral kelp]

wait why malamar lmao

[real prairie]

Malamar gets TR, Superpower, Close combat

[astral kelp]

ooh ic

[real prairie]

and the fun one, topsy turvy lol

[astral kelp]

such a silly move lol

its pretty squishy thop

i prolly would be better off running indeedee for trick room

bujt in that case well yk

[real prairie]

you can have both all 3

Indeedee protects malamar or CIR who both get TR

[astral kelp]

ooh true

oh wait i forgot that the point of the team was shell smash tho lmao

[real prairie]

set up by spamming attacks with malamar, bring in CIR when they eventually kill Indeedee and psych up

[real prairie]

meh, it was psych up.

[astral kelp]

hmmm

this is definitevly not it tho LMAO

does seem fun at least

[left bobcat]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2325060464

Im trying a lot of things

[atomic mural]

https://pokepast.es/173edab7aa96149f thoughts on this

[astral kelp]

i think im gonna run bulky csr lmao

yeah idfk random ass ev spreads

[real prairie]

you need a wide guard counter

may i suggest Screamtail

encore, disables are fun stuff

[astral kelp]

Ehh I don't think km gonna go with this team

This is the definition of shit inconsistent stuff that I was trying to avoid LMAO

Tho it's a fun concept

[solid frigate]

figured out my teams 2 weaknesses

Hard TR and Calyrex Smeargle lead

[real prairie]

Yeah hard TR are almost everyones worst MU, im generally shocked its not run more for that reason

only team wolfey lost to today was hard TR

[solid frigate]

it is mirror as well cuz its the team that place second-

[astral kelp]

@real prairie i just got SHIT ON by a ditto who won a speed tie im so sad

[real prairie]

probably a scarf Ditto, lots of those

[astral kelp]

could be

Clear body is the ability that stops stay reduction right

[real prairie]

correct, its basically a clear amulet ability

[tiny karma]

Filters

• Has the ability Clear Body

Results (19)

Tentacool, Tentacruel, Beldum, Metang, Metagross, Regirock, Regice, Registeel, Klink, Klang, Klinklang, Carbink, Diancie, Dreepy, Drakloak, Dragapult, Nacli, Naclstack, Garganacl

Generation

natdex

Transferred Pokémon

Included

Sableye version 4.28.1

[astral kelp]

Ooh dragapult okok

Time to try something else

[real prairie]

yeah clear body choice band dragapult was a thing a few reg ago

[astral kelp]

I bringing back the scovillain

The only problem with chlorophil pokemon is that pivoting can be really akward

Becuse they are WORTHLESS without sun

[astral kelp]

I thought people went dice

[tiny karma]

Move: Dragon Darts

Hits twice. If the first hit breaks the target's substitute, it will take damage for the second hit. In Double Battles, this move attempts to hit the targeted Pokemon and its ally once each. If hitting one of these Pokemon would be prevented by immunity, protection, semi-invulnerability, an Ability, or accuracy, it attempts to hit the other Pokemon twice instead. If this move is redirected, it hits that target twice.

Type

Dragon

Category

Physical

Power

50

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[astral kelp]

Oh nvm

I fucking hate dragon claw it feels so shit

So this is a plus lol

Man I kinda wish dragapult had drought lmao

[atomic mural]

https://pokepast.es/4bec3ed6907f9551 this guys pelliper set is so heat

[astral kelp]

Tf peliper learns expanding force

Why??

[real prairie]

banded or scarf darts, outrage, u-turn, phanton force/sucker punch

[real prairie]

no?

[tiny karma]

Pelipper's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Aerial Ace, Body Slam, Brave Bird, Double-Edge, Dual Wingbeat, Facade, Fling, Fly, Frustration, Giga Impact, Gunk Shot, Knock Off, Liquidation, Natural Gift, Payback, Pluck, Pursuit, Quick Attack, Return, Secret Power, Seed Bomb, Sky Attack, Sky Drop, Steel Wing, Take Down, Thief, U-turn, Waterfall, Wing Attack

Special Moves

Air Cutter, Air Slash, Blizzard, Brine, Chilling Water, Echoed Voice, Gust, Hidden Power, Hurricane, Hydro Pump, Hyper Beam, Ice Beam, Icy Wind, Mud-Slap, Muddy Water, Ominous Wind, Round, Scald, Shock Wave, Snore, Spit Up, Surf, Swift, Tera Blast, Twister, Uproar, Water Gun, Water Pulse, Weather Ball, Whirlpool

Status Moves

Agility, Aqua Ring, Attract, Captivate, Confide, Defog, Double Team, Endure, Feather Dance, Growl, Hail, Helping Hand, Mimic, Mist, Protect, Rain Dance, Rest, Roost, Sleep Talk, Snowscape, Soak, Stockpile, Substitute, Supersonic, Swagger, Swallow, Tailwind, Toxic, Water Sport, Wide Guard

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Pelipper.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[atomic mural]

it dosent

it was team sheet error but i found it on lab maus

[astral kelp]

I lmfao

[solid frigate]

also Pelipper can't even use it correctly

[atomic mural]

yeah its a flying type

so it wouldnt even become a spread move

[solid frigate]

looking at you lake Trio

[astral kelp]

LOL TRUE HAHAHA

That would be hilarious

Fake out indeedee ti fake out flying types when

[atomic mural]

https://pokepast.es/d3542641cfaa1f94 thoughts

[astral kelp]

GM what do I get

[atomic mural]

cheeseburger

https://tenor.com/view/here-kitty-you-can-has-cheeseburger-gif-7210661951502365606

[solid frigate]

i am not doing any GC for now i am too tired

[astral kelp]

Whats a normal koraidon team usually like

I'm assuming flutter

[real prairie]

BBQ meat lover

You love meat

[real prairie]

You assume correct

[astral kelp]

Dude I do fucking love meat

[atomic mural]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849

[solid frigate]

hold up.

can we say that in here

[astral kelp]

Looool

[molten oasis]

[astral kelp]

That emote is peak they should really make it a server emote

[molten oasis]

True

[atomic mural]

he just loves meat

[molten oasis]

I mean uh

[astral kelp]

I see nothing wrong with that

[molten oasis]

[real prairie]

Flutter, bolt, chi Yu, whims, Incin

[astral kelp]

One time I got reported for saying the resulting disease from HIV

[molten oasis]

Well, don’t say it then lol

[real prairie]

Yeah, don't mention helpers

[astral kelp]

Yeah I was just shocked lol

[real prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/movingroght-along-movingrightalong-muppets-anyway-gif-17971671

[astral kelp]

BRUH THE GUY SAID ENJOY YOUR MEAL AND I SEE YOU TOO KILL ME

[atomic mural]

bro saw

[astral kelp]

I saw

[molten oasis]

[atomic mural]

another banger

[charred saddle]

what the actual

[atomic mural]

PEAKK

[charred saddle]

fuck?

[molten oasis]

What in the little cup is that lmao

[atomic mural]

they have flamigo its not little cup

[charred saddle]

idfk

[atomic mural]

what is bro cooking

[next stump]

they’re just there for the rewards

[astral kelp]

lets try this

[astral kelp]

little cup ass team wth

[real prairie]

Or one of the Korean protesters, but I doubt that

[molten oasis]

It almost is

[atomic mural]

yeah

[astral kelp]

what are they protesting

[charred saddle]

helping hand groudon HAHAHAH

[astral kelp]

i was considering tha at some point because LMFAO

helping hand dazzling gream flutter

[real prairie]

The tournament formats. They cocked up the qualifications of one of them and had to double the entry meaning players guaranteed worlds then had to fight again for a place. When providing reimbursement the pokemon company Korea said those who were affected would receive a head start in the start of next year's tournaments. Which sent them over the edge as it was basically the pokemon company saying that the awful format they play is sticking around despite them all hating it

[astral kelp]

ohh i see

whats the awful format exactly?

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2325099346
also this kinda goes hard

[real prairie]

No local tournaments, all worlds qualification is online and through BO1, and the online format was autoqueing you into games, meaning once you start you don't get a break for 15 games at least

[atomic mural]

that is bad

[real prairie]

And because it auto queues, the chances of playing the same player over and over is likely

So if you get an awful MU, get used to it

[astral kelp]

lol wtf thats so weird

no break is fucking craaazy

thats the dumbest thing ive ever seen lmfao

[real prairie]

Yeah Korea top 4 players already banned from world's for entering a tournament with nothing but metronome in protest in their korea players cup

[charred saddle]

TRICK ROOM GENGAR
ENDURE DESTINY BOND WEEZING

[atomic mural]

bro what

[astral kelp]

banned really?

thats so dumb maybe blud knew something we didntg

[astral kelp]

thats so fcuking based

why endure tho tf

[charred saddle]

to live T1 for gengar to set TR and dies the next turn

[astral kelp]

but hes assuming that people will hit weezing after it casts endure

[charred saddle]

?

[astral kelp]

like if i see someone casting endure i assume they want that pokemon dead

[charred saddle]

no?

[astral kelp]

i mean why else would you run endure over protect

[charred saddle]

endure weak armor armarouge

surging strike

imprison niche

[astral kelp]

well yeah buton weezing

[astral kelp]

99% of the time unless its some shit like armarouge g

maybe you could run it with a torrent user or something ig

[tiny karma]

Move: Wide Guard

The user and its party members are protected from moves made by other Pokemon, including allies, during this turn that target all adjacent foes or all adjacent Pokemon. This move modifies the same 1/X chance of being successful used by other protection moves, where X starts at 1 and triples each time this move is successfully used, but does not use the chance to check for failure. X resets to 1 if this move fails, if the user's last move used is not Baneful Bunker, Burning Bulwark, Detect, Endure, King's Shield, Max Guard, Obstruct, Protect, Quick Guard, Silk Trap, Spiky Shield, or Wide Guard, or if it was one of those moves and the user's protection was broken. Fails if the user moves last this turn or if this move is already in effect for the user's side.

Type

Rock

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

10 (16)

Priority

3

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Snatch

Affected by Snatch.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[astral kelp]

this seems like an awesome strat btw im stealing it

[left bobcat]

Double shed tail

[astral kelp]

lets see

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2325122340-qeaagrdm8qxtchmrcsua3s6xw11xd3ypw

lol this is fun

[molten oasis]

Eww

[left bobcat]

That’s crazy

[astral kelp]

istg it was like everyone was playing the SPECIFIC counters to that strat

storm drain follow me etc

[left bobcat]

Well follow me is really common

[astral kelp]

yea but storm drain wtf

[charred saddle]

?

are u hallucinating brother

theres no storm drain follow me

water absorb follow me is common. in waterpon

[astral kelp]

bro

im saying different pokemon

[charred saddle]

the only storm drain user there is is gastro

[astral kelp]

someone ran a gastro and someone ELSE went follow me

[molten oasis]

Storm drain follow me would make no sense either

It already “follow me’”

[charred saddle]

well then why would u still lead watershifu then

[astral kelp]

i saw gastro and just ffd lol the thing just doesnt work against that

[mint void]

Everyone: Makes a team of six well balanced mons to achieve success.
@astral kelp :

[astral kelp]

LOL ive tried

i think ill make an alt account where i actually try to win

[molten oasis]

That’s also me

I love niche things

But they have to make sense in the context of the format

[astral kelp]

THERE IS A POKEPASTE BUTTON????

https://pokepast.es/87dee3a576f4f8e5

NAHHHHH

https://pokepast.es/1366ee45f64a7a26

im just gonna leave these here so i can put them on my pc

my work vpn is mean

[molten oasis]

It’s been so long since I quagged someone

[astral kelp]

It's fr tho I legit just never noticed it lmao.

lol wtf

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2325189425

that 4 turn freeze from blizzard is fucking crazy

other than amoongus are there any other good poison types

tera poison landerous incarnate

[mint void]

Why do I get the l9ngest game i ever played when my switch is at 15% bat?

[mint void]

D9nt think

[astral kelp]

you need to trust in your switch living

[astral kelp]

im trying sneasler-h

[mint void]

There is niche stuff with Venusaur, Weezing and Overqwil

[astral kelp]

Wait what's qwils niesh

[mild ibex]

Can someone help me with my PvP team? What items shud I use etc

Send a dm if u can

[mint void]

Yeah I won but like. It eas just me slowly killing dozo by putting it asleep and healing caly that was ticking down from poison with Pollenpuff while also needing max TR rounds on the turn I kill Dozo.

[mint void]

Sure what do you have already?

[astral kelp]

https://pokepast.es/388b2d98ee52a4a2

[astral kelp]

LOOL

[mint void]

@astral kelp wasnt talking to u but

Maybe try calm mind parabolic charge

[astral kelp]

oh no that was something else

leaving them here to transfer to my pc lol

[mild ibex]

I have a team and but what items I shud use

[mint void]

Sinsitcha probably synergises better with that especially with ur 2 fake ouz mons. Just Psychic Terrain and Farig would be worrisome

[astral kelp]

wait that sounds epic actually

[mint void]

Can u make the team in Showdown and send it here?

@astral kelp oh and Id really just get rid of Murkrow for a redirector or Whimsicott. Quash isnt that useful for your team

[astral kelp]

its for trick room mainly

[mint void]

U have hands and sini

[astral kelp]

what are the advantages of whimsy over murkrow?

i know it does more damage and has sunny day

also outspeeds most taunts

[mint void]

Bulk, Bulk, poss better typing and better item aka gurantees TW or w/e to be up.

Gets Encore which is great with Mirai since people like to protect infront to scout what its gonna use. U cant protect Infront of whims tho. Same goes for Fake out mons. Cant Protect from fake out with whims being a threat

[astral kelp]

thats very true

[mint void]

@mild ibex u can dm if u prefer

[astral kelp]

alright youve won me over on that lol

ig i dont need to quash csr if i can just live a hit from them

with LS

[mint void]

Yes

Probably go max HP+Speed

If u run simple EVs for now

As long as it can KO Moon and Urshi Dark in one its good enough

[astral kelp]

can no spa whimsy one shot moon?

oh wait double effective nvm

[mild ibex]

I’m not sure what rotom form would work the best and I bred the Gardevoir with destiny bond

[astral kelp]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2325211468-nsxb61ouwk0ud59kvcmf5avr3mhor8hpw
idfk what opp was trying to do

https://pokepast.es/b85a22cc0aa73d1c

im a big sinistcha fan

maybe ill try going calm mind miraidon lmao

@mint void would it be something like this?

or maybe ill sacrifice speed for defencse

[mighty stump]

What are those EVs for

And you really want Protect + DPulse to not lose your CM boosts

[mint void]

What are u building for first of all

Story play through?
Battle Stadium? If yes, singles or doubles?

[astral kelp]

dpulse

[astral kelp]

random rn

[mint void]

Depends what the EVs do. If poss Mirai wants the Eseed+Protect

[astral kelp]

just to put in the fact that i want it to be tanky

[mighty stump]

EVs with no specificity is just as pointless as no EVs

[astral kelp]

Well yeah but I'm not gonna spend like ages eving for stuff before even knowing if the concept works

[mint void]

Ptobably EV for CIR glacial, Ogre Spout/Ice Beam,Flutter, mirai and CSR

[mighty stump]

First draft EVs need to have intention irregardless otherwise you aren't even executing the concept properly

[mint void]

Fair point but the thing has been done before so it works

Some fast calcs dont take too long.

[astral kelp]

Plus I'm terrible at eving lmao

[mighty stump]

Learn

[astral kelp]

Working on it

[mighty stump]

Resources in the pins and on Youtube and practically everywhere

[mint void]

@astral kelp use a calculator

[mighty stump]

But as a rule of thumbs

252/252/4 is pretty fine to use and then you can adjust from there from basic observation like

"Oh i should outspeed that"

"I think I should live that"

etc

Plus understand what matchups youre going into

[astral kelp]

Ye I get the basic concept I mainly just struggle with figuring out what exactly I should eV for

[mighty stump]

This

Cause you have to know

[astral kelp]

Yea that's the part I'm bad at lol

[mighty stump]

Between the set of mons that are probably top 10-15 in usage

Figure out which ones are unfavourable/not perfect matchups

Then plan around those.

Then cross-check with originally favourable MUs and make sure you didn't alter the flow of those

[mint void]

Like for my CIR team I mostly used Amogus as lead and needed it to live a psychic to be reliable so I EV for that.

[molten oasis]

For Mirai living crash/spinner is a good thing

Just as a small example

[astral kelp]

Yeah I guess just a lot of playtesting lol

[mint void]

Idk if poss but CM Mirai being abke to live 2 Glacial at +1 Def would be neat

[molten oasis]

I’m not telling you more

[mighty stump]

Its not though

[mint void]

At least in Tera

[astral kelp]

Oh yeah because usually you go seed

[mint void]

Idk. But I saw a team with Seed.

[astral kelp]

For parabolic charge miraidon is prolly have to restructure the entire team

I was thinking cloak

[mint void]

It makes u a little less flexible cause u lose your item when u switch out.

U kinda want a Terain setter with it if possible.

Like Thundurus

[astral kelp]

Btw is there anything else that sets eletric terrain?

Mainly to stop psychic terrain

And would it even be worth doing

[mint void]

Well in a way. Youll find yourself changing your team all the time as the meta shifts other things need to be considered and will become more important or less important respectively

[astral kelp]

Usually with volt switch you can reset terrain pretty much whenever you want

[astral kelp]

Yea for sure

I've been thinking about taking the game more seriously for a bit to see how far I can go

But without sacrificing what I love about pokemon which is making cool interesting teams

I'd say mainly I gotta stick to a team

And I've made like 4 or 5 teams for this soooo not really doing that part very well lmfao

[mighty stump]

If you want to make cool interesting teams

You have to have full understanding

Your basics have to be on point

Otherwise your teams won't work well

[astral kelp]

Yeah I don't really expect to do that well right now lol

I'm just gonna play the game and see how it goes pretty much

[mild ibex]

I’m building for doubles

[astral kelp]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2325224639-u2qb5s4sx84s44fmad8nx1biqfri3napw

dude sneasler is actually kind of a beast

op misplayed so many times and just let whimsy take over the game

@mint void whimsy encore is the most busted shit ive ever seen

[mild ibex]

https://pokepast.es/45af1d20b713cc20

I’m building for doubles but I haven’t changed natures and I’m not sure what rotom form would work best along with items

[molten oasis]

Moxie made a whole video just to call out chuppa cross about gogoat lmfao

[astral kelp]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CgGA-iSV_fOv1xiD9ePFeRVHxFVCs6gRPsAbH0SqXn4/edit?gid=1537427292#gid=1537427292
is there a bigger spreadsheet than this?

im tryna decide between these 2

so the stellar lets me keep dire claw to one shot tera fairy csr and fluttermane

second set lets me dodge ground type moves and acrobatics does like a billion damage

[mighty stump]

Tera-Fly Acro means you have to commit Tera

It's also weaker in the Miraidon mirror.

Close Combat also stronger than Acro

[astral kelp]

i just realized i dont have to worry about amoongus

[mighty stump]

110 x 1.5 vs 120 x 1.5

[astral kelp]

alright tera stellar it is!

[mighty stump]

Tera Ghost is probably more relevant so you don't get FO cycled.

Pokemon is a two player game after all

[astral kelp]

yea agree

main reason for stellar is this
252+ Atk Sneasler Dire Claw vs. 180 HP / 84 Def Tera-Fairy Calyrex-Shadow Rider: 164-194 (82.8 - 97.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Tera-Stellar Sneasler Dire Claw (1st Use) vs. 180 HP / 84 Def Tera-Fairy Calyrex-Shadow Rider: 220-260 (111.1 - 131.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[mighty stump]

I would argue you can just proactively chip rather than depending on Tera

[astral kelp]

its kind of a hard deescision hm

also i really dont need 252 evs into speed

i just need to outspeed like 124+ speed fluttermane with proto

do people use 252+ fluttermane?

[azure ether]

sash variants do, iirc

[astral kelp]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2325259334
god this team is feeling SO good

whats a good bulky fire type

that does damage

maybe arcanine hmmmmm

fuck it heatran

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2325271294'

this poor guy

[mighty stump]

Incineroar lol

[azure ether]

do CSR nowadays don't run max speed Timid anymore?

[astral kelp]

does dire claw like not work in eletric terrain

or am i just extremely fucking unlucky

[sharp cobalt]

It could poison and paralyse still I believe

But not sleep, sleep is prevented

[astral kelp]

i wonder how exactly it works

im just realizing my team is like super anti synergy lmao

[sharp cobalt]

I dunno, I'm bad at vgc

[astral kelp]

okay i tested it

6 dire claws and not a single prock

actually tragic lmao

[sharp cobalt]

Unlucky

[charred saddle]

i think lots of people opted for bulkier CSR lately, but mostly are still max speed timid

idk if theres like new set going around with no max speed timid

since i feel like not going max speed timid is kinda a throw, especially against mirror

unless ur playing normal tera CSR

but yeah lately i liked playing bulky max speed timid CSR
NP astral psychic

[astral kelp]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2325319000
wait this feels kinda good

[chrome knot]

max speed is the bar for entry

[charred saddle]

oh i meant like lots of bulkier CSR but still max speed

but yeah

[chrome knot]

yes

all my csr sets max out at 60-84spatk invest lmfao

[chrome knot]

cornerstone

i no longer like this format

wtf was that notable mus teams

[charred saddle]

what the actual muther fuck

[chrome knot]

why tf

[astral kelp]

Words cannot describe how unsurprised I am

[astral kelp]

People are waking up on decorate that's crazy

Wait iron head urshifu

BAND

That sounds kinda cool actually

[spiral ridge]

One last tournie was iron head too

Crazy

[charred saddle]

the whole team itself screams weird 😭

its a slow bulky urshifu

lives EP from lando

LO lando iirc

also like he kinda botched the game by setting psychic terrain,, and not being able to sucker punch CIR in TR

like he set TR himself, and psychic terrain

weird

[spiral ridge]

Prob made for TR

[charred saddle]

well no shit

[spiral ridge]

I just woke up not watching yet

[charred saddle]

its a hard TR team

[spiral ridge]

Yeah

[spiral ridge]

Ah damn

[left bobcat]

How tf

[tiny karma]

Move: Encore

For its next 3 turns, the target is forced to repeat its last move used. If the affected move runs out of PP, the effect ends. Fails if the target is already under this effect, if it has not made a move, if the move has 0 PP, or if the move is Assist, Blazing Torque, Combat Torque, Copycat, Dynamax Cannon, Encore, Magical Torque, Me First, Metronome, Mimic, Mirror Move, Nature Power, Noxious Torque, Sketch, Sleep Talk, Struggle, Transform, or Wicked Torque.

Type

Normal

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Authentic

Bypasses substitute.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Reflectable

Affected by Magic Coat and Magic Bounce.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[spiral ridge]

Fails if it’s sleep talk wow

[bold geode]

Idt I've ever watched Eric Rios win a set

[atomic mural]

well its not starting today

[charred saddle]

very..... interesting

[foggy lodge]

Watching round 2 rn

What is Theotime doing

[charred saddle]

all incins are in the same spot 😭

[foggy lodge]

Latios that's not your family

[charred saddle]

reminds me of Keanu early team

zama rilla latios

[foggy lodge]

Yeah its very similar

[charred saddle]

but interestingly no chienpao

[foggy lodge]

The Latios of fortaleza is sash tho

[charred saddle]

pao zama is like so good tho

oo sash latios? so max max?

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

[charred saddle]

hmm

[foggy lodge]

Well even the Latios of Keanu's team was max max

Just sould dew

[charred saddle]

oh it does? thought its a bit bulkier

interesting

but yeah the mons are similar each teams, like urshifu incin rilla flutter

and rockpon

yan sym and christian andrade runs the same team too

[foggy lodge]

Yeah the pagos heatran team

That team is winning stokcholm

[charred saddle]

mther fuck michael kelsch is also running the weird hard TR team

[foggy lodge]

WHAT

[charred saddle]

im going crazy

this regional

[opal inlet]

you know what ELSE is crazy

[charred saddle]

is like full of weird teams

[dense latch]

yea they showed it earlier before matt maynard’s game

[charred saddle]

you

[charred saddle]

yeah i saw that one

[opal inlet]

im gonna run my swsh vgc team

[charred saddle]

but thought its just like a uh weird guy bringing weird team case

but then michael kelsch is there 😭

[dense latch]

no like

[charred saddle]

6-0 too

[opal inlet]

wp giratina w tr min atk mimikyu

[dense latch]

they showed mdb had the team before

[charred saddle]

what

[dense latch]

the person on stream is his friend

[spiral ridge]

He kept almost breaking through then slipping
He had to leave pagos prob or swap it out

[charred saddle]

so 3 people running the same set?

i just dont get some of the synergies

[dense latch]

yk how they show this before stream games

cool to see mdb running hard tr

he was trying it out a similar core on limitless tours a few weeks ago

[charred saddle]

ye i saw the rahim game

its such a weird team

[foggy lodge]

Eric playing Lunala balance lol

[charred saddle]

hard TR but then he sets TR and not being able to do anything to the lando/CIR

but eh

might be just that game, tbf rahim still goes 4-0 before that

[bold geode]

I feel like the Focus Energy over Follow Me would be worse?

[bold geode]

IS THAT A MUTHAFUCKIN CLOVIS IN MY COMP CHAT

[opal inlet]

IS THAT A MUTHAFUCKIN MONKE IS HIS COMP CHAT

[bold geode]

WADDUP CLOVIS

[opal inlet]

monke i am cooking up nothing 😭 😭 😭

[bold geode]

LOL

Is that double restricted?

[opal inlet]

uhhhh its reg g

so is it only 1 restricted?

[bold geode]

Ye

[opal inlet]

okie dokie

can i get the list

[spiral ridge]

Take out terapgos

Caly is a better restricted for what you have so far

[opal inlet]

the return to torkoal

nvm i have no sun users

well i have bolt but

[foggy lodge]

Just make it hard TR and replace Incin

Also uh

Tera ghost CIR is a choice

[spiral ridge]

He doesn’t know much lol

[opal inlet]

last time i played they just made the disasters legal

[spiral ridge]

Horse goes usually Tera fire or water

More water lately i think?

[bold geode]

That or Fairy

I think for Hard TR you might want Water though

[azure tapir]

Alright. Did my first tournament "discord group hosted it nothing truly regulated", and my team building skills are not as good as I thought. I thought a good team would be a wall, support (screens or any other), wall breaker (or sweeper whichever one is needed), and offense. I feel like I got beat by random teams that meant nothing. If needed I can show my team when I get off of work. Trying to get a better understanding.

-also, I mainly play vgc, but I do a occasionally mess around with smogon

[bold geode]

Gonna need to show that team bub

[bold geode]

Do not bring Luke Kroll on stream with the commentators we have bro

Thank God

[foggy lodge]

Venusaur on stream

And Oliver still with his same 6 since worlds

Its a family to him at this point

Capoferreo

CALM MIND CAPOFERREO

[bold geode]

Tera Steel Amoongus is interesting

[tiny karma]

Ability: Tera Shell

If this Pokemon is a Terapagos at full HP, the effectiveness of attacks against it is changed to 0.5 unless this Pokemon is immune to the move. Multi-hit moves retain the same effectiveness throughout the attack.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[bold geode]

@foggy lodge I'm trying out an Infernape rental LOL

[foggy lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/blm-gif-25815938

[bold geode]

SableyeVGC made a video about Infernape

Hold on he just saw something, I wanna pull up the moveset real quick

[tiny karma]

Infernape's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Aerial Ace, Blaze Kick, Body Slam, Brick Break, Bulldoze, Close Combat, Counter, Covet, Cut, Dig, Double Kick, Double-Edge, Drain Punch, Dual Chop, Earthquake, Endeavor, Facade, Fake Out, Feint, Fire Punch, Flame Charge, Flame Wheel, Flare Blitz, Fling, Focus Punch, Frustration, Fury Swipes, Giga Impact, Gunk Shot, Headbutt, Iron Tail, Knock Off, Lash Out, Low Kick, Low Sweep, Mach Punch, Natural Gift, Poison Jab, Power-Up Punch, Punishment, Raging Fury, Retaliate, Return, Reversal, Rock Slide, Rock Smash, Rock Tomb, Rollout, Scratch, Secret Power, Shadow Claw, Smack Down, Stone Edge, Strength, Submission, Take Down, Temper Flare, Thief, Throat Chop, Thunder Punch, U-turn, Upper Hand, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Aura Sphere, Blast Burn, Burning Jealousy, Ember, Fire Blast, Fire Pledge, Fire Spin, Flamethrower, Focus Blast, Grass Knot, Heat Wave, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Incinerate, Mud-Slap, Overheat, Round, Scorching Sands, Snore, Solar Beam, Swift, Tera Blast, Uproar, Vacuum Wave

Status Moves

Agility, Assist, Attract, Bulk Up, Calm Mind, Captivate, Coaching, Confide, Double Team, Encore, Endure, Fake Tears, Focus Energy, Helping Hand, Hone Claws, Laser Focus, Leer, Metronome, Nasty Plot, Protect, Psych Up, Quick Guard, Rest, Roar, Role Play, Scary Face, Slack Off, Sleep Talk, Stealth Rock, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Switcheroo, Swords Dance, Taunt, Torment, Toxic, Will-O-Wisp, Work Up

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Infernape.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[bold geode]

It gets Encore
Fake Tears
Helping Hand
IT GETS QUICK GUARD WTF

[opal inlet]

https://pokepast.es/4aeea737b3e8c6fd monke the cooking did not happen

[bold geode]

I can tell lol
I see a decent attempt though

But thing is Clodsire right
The only time it's really used
Is like this very annoying stall Pokemon

Actually wait hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[opal inlet]

there will be no situation where clodsire will ever be used i just want him there for emotional support

[bold geode]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

@foggy lodge I have an idea

https://tenor.com/view/clodsire-pokemon-pokemon-clodsire-clod-sire-gif-7829494001718110401

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-ho-oh-gif-13162509914694394203

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[opal inlet]

what

hooh clodsire core?? 😭 😭

[bold geode]

@spiral ridge do I torture Clovis?

Do I do this

[opal inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/light-yagami-l-lawliet-death-note-stare-dn-gif-23619862

what

[spiral ridge]

Hmm

Give him a wake and it could cook

[tiny karma]

Clodsire [Poison/Ground]

Immune

Electric

Resists (0.25x)

Poison

Resists (0.5x)

Bug, Fairy, Fighting, Rock

Neutral damage

Dark, Dragon, Fire, Flying, Ghost, Grass, Normal, Steel, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Ground, Ice, Psychic, Water

Type Notes

Poison-types cannot be Poisoned.
Ground-types take no damage from Sandstorm.

Sableye version 4.28.1

Ho-Oh [Fire/Flying]

Immune

Ground

Resists (0.25x)

Bug, Grass

Resists (0.5x)

Fairy, Fighting, Fire, Steel

Neutral damage

Dark, Dragon, Flying, Ghost, Ice, Normal, Poison, Psychic, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Electric, Water

Weak (4x)

Rock

Type Notes

Fire-types cannot be Burned.

Sableye version 4.28.1

Pokémon No. 250: Ho-Oh

Types

Fire/Flying

Abilities

Pressure, Regenerator (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

106/130/90/110/154/90

Total

680

Sableye version 4.28.1

[spiral ridge]

Oh wait it doesn’t set sun tf am i saying

[bold geode]

Bro
I'm thinking Ho Oh stall

[opal inlet]

regenerator 💔 💔

pex hooh amoongus clod stall

[spiral ridge]

Ew no

[opal inlet]

are we deadass 😭 😭 😭

[bold geode]

Once again if not for that typing, HO Oh has some really crazy ass things for it

[bold geode]

Nah not that far
I actually do not know lol

Actually you do have nice synergy with Ho Oh
Especially if you're like Water Absorb

It gets that right

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 980: Clodsire

Types

Poison/Ground

Abilities

Poison Point, Water Absorb, Unaware (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

130/75/60/45/100/20

Total

430

Sableye version 4.28.1

[bold geode]

It does ok

Yeesh the fucking Def though

[opal inlet]

yea its kinda miserable 😭

[molten oasis]

[opal inlet]

max def and def nature needed

[bold geode]

That would be a problem with Ho Oh then cuz then you have like a massive Caly Ice hole

[opal inlet]

we arent cooking shit

[bold geode]

Drago the kitchen has never been reduced to such ashes

[molten oasis]

The kitchen is ashes

[opal inlet]

the kitchen is ashes and clodsire set the fire

despite being a swamp creature and not a fire type

[molten oasis]

The burnout is real

[opal inlet]

look all im saying is

if clodsire had more base def and base atk hed be a crazy tr band sweeper

[molten oasis]

It need a lot more attack

Maybe not a ton of defense but it’s attack stat would need a lot

[opal inlet]

my goatsire

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 901: Ursaluna-Bloodmoon

Types

Ground/Normal

Abilities

Mind's Eye

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

113/70/120/135/65/52

Total

555

Base Species

Ursaluna

Sableye version 4.28.1

[foggy lodge]

Well Eskolin has been eliminated

[solid frigate]

hoi

[molten oasis]

Wow, I forgot it was that low

[foggy lodge]

Such a shitty MU for Eskolin lmao

[bold geode]

Yeah
Idk about Steel Amoongus either

I actually really like Fire Amoongus

[foggy lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/tata-mpo-gif-15942038246373310601

[foggy lodge]

Its good you have rain

[solid frigate]

whats with Calm mind Miraidons being THAT popular there

[bold geode]

Idk I'm using Tera Fire and I have the Rain LOL

Cuz of one lil fucker

https://tenor.com/view/pokémon-pokemon-ogerpon-persona-5-group-chat-gif-2379131978984132260

[opal inlet]

ig everyone assumes miraidon is going to nuke a target t1 so they prot and then mirai sets up calm mind?

idk

[bold geode]

Only bad part is you have to be more aware of Urshifu but with Pelipper Bolt and Amoongus having good typing
It doesn't come up as much as you'd think

[solid frigate]

idk its mostly Cart Exclusive

[opal inlet]

most common set is specs 4 moves from what i can see

so ig everyone just assumes specs set and noone expects actual setup on mirai

[solid frigate]

Calm Mind Mirai usually has Parabolic Charge as its electric Move cuz yeah

[opal inlet]

parabolic charge

the misery

[solid frigate]

yep

[left bobcat]

Omg I use that

[mint void]

Someone have a quick Restricted Tierlist on hand? doesnt need to be perfectly accurate just so someone has a broad idea

[lost sun]

why is everyone use cir all of a sudden

[mint void]

Always had a high usage

just MM is sometimes weird

I once played like 5 Groudon in a row.

[foggy lodge]

Oh god Jamie Boyt is 8-0

Secured top cut for tomorrow

And Michael is defending his title from last year

[solid frigate]

-yeah Eruption Groudon in gen 9

this is torture

[foggy lodge]

Maybe I'll have to make my apology form for Walking Wake

[opal inlet]

i remember eruption torkoal from reg d

[foggy lodge]

who tf at game freak decided to give it eruption

istg

[opal inlet]

its literally a volcano

[tiny karma]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani/torkoal.gif

[molten oasis]

[foggy lodge]

We'll know tomorrow drago

[molten oasis]

GO WAKE

is it in finals?

or just day 2?

[foggy lodge]

No this was just day 1 lol

It's in top cut

[molten oasis]

it top cut ok, GO WAKE

[foggy lodge]

Jamie is 8-0, tomorrow he fights Derbeste

Derbeste and Jamie are the only 8-0

[molten oasis]

thats cool

ig heatran is also real now lol

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

Who do we bet that wins Stockholm

I think that Marco or Derbeste

Imagine Marco and Derbeste in finals

🙏

[solid frigate]

meanwhile i have PTSD from Eruption Groudon in Gen 6

[next stump]

how is victor medina doing

[opal inlet]

i used eruption torkoal in reg d w my chiyu tr team

[spiral ridge]

it came back for reg H

[opal inlet]

forever my goat

[molten oasis]

was torkoal that good in reg h?

i dont remember it getting much usage

[spiral ridge]

uhh
limited usage but was there for say
tork typh? maybe was on char teams too

[molten oasis]

i think it was on the charizard team that won

[spiral ridge]

think it was

[molten oasis]

but i dont remember it elsewhere

[spiral ridge]

it was in TR teams and some just specs typh teams before zard

wasnt that popular but twas there

[foggy lodge]

5-3

[mint void]

F

[foggy lodge]

Didn't make day 2

[foggy lodge]

ofc lol

All the sun teams used it

Jumpluff Torkoal Charizard was fun to use

[molten oasis]

oh right that was a big one

[solid frigate]

i got disrespected by a Mirror Match with Tera Grass CIR and they know i have acrobatics- btw-

3-5

[mint void]

i got CTSed so much already

cba. gonna stick to tourneys

[left bobcat]

Yoooooo

[slim urchin]

Idk if I am playing bad or having the worst luck of all time

I have lost 3 matches today - 1. 9 turns of sleep out of 10 turns (If i wake up on any of those, I win.) lost to fissure twice. (Perfectly placed wo-chien with double leech seed on the last two mons... win by default if I do not get hit to a fissue) (Hits fissure with red hp and full life kyogre)

Do I chalk that up to bad luck or should I try to anayze the match. I have tried to think of ways to play differently but I really dont think there is a way... At least, I cant find anything different.

I also almost lost to a weezing that confused me with strange steam and hit myself FOUR times in a row from confusion lol... What are the odds!?!?!

[fallow palm]

can somone give me the pokepaste of the standar miraidon team

last time i iwll ask

[mint void]

@fallow palmPlease learn to research urself. We have a lot of resources here. Just check the pins.
TEam: https://pokepast.es/774751c5dc2c4500 - ceree version: Arubega version https://pokepast.es/7c63956ab276bed0
Repository: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1axlwmzPA49rYkqXh7zHvAtSP-TKbM0ijGYBPRflLSWw/edit?gid=418553327#gid=418553327

[fathom geyser]

https://pokepast.es/028f2aa60705d131

[mint void]

why so much shit?

Coaclossal is just straight ass

[molten oasis]

thats,

coalossal pult stuff is pretty bad

[mint void]

Also dont see a Perish mode with a setup miraidon...

[molten oasis]

oranguru also kinda sucks rn

[mint void]

Perish works if you can just blow up two mons and then stall for Perish song

[fathom geyser]

Metagross might do the boom better I forgot that was a thing, hold on.

[opal inlet]

last time i saw coal dragapult was in swsh 😭

[mint void]

Set up Mirai just wants to stick arnd the whole game if possible abusing its boosts.

[molten oasis]

yep lmao

[mint void]

I saw it in a Moxie wideo

[opal inlet]

in sv??

[mint void]

jo

but he said its ass. just tried to win one

[molten oasis]

moxie has been playing shitmons for a couple weeks

[mint void]

Gogoat

I got to step on a slither wing team he made on SD

[molten oasis]

nice

i wish slither wing was better

super cool mon

[fathom geyser]

I fixed it

[opal inlet]

i wish clodsire was better in vgc

[fathom geyser]

https://pokepast.es/445e9c0c2f92311a

[mint void]

basically 1 simple issue. You cant combine 3 gimmicks in one team. thats way too inconsistent. For CTS it might not suck that bad but for OTS thats just not viable at all

[molten oasis]

i wish hydrapple was better

its so cool but its so bad

[mint void]

gambling based

[opal inlet]

diglett perish trap

[mint void]

atp just remove pult to...like what even does it do here?

[fathom geyser]

It's a incredibly ignorant team, perfect for the mindless such as myself

[fathom geyser]

Chip, be cute.

[mint void]

sounds gay

[fathom geyser]

Nothing really, I just like the boomerang

[molten oasis]

remove pult (my soul hurts)

[mint void]

Im in

[molten oasis]

i love dragapult but it just isnt good rn

[mint void]

goatpult

I have a cute shiny for Reg H

[molten oasis]

i have a couple shiny ones

[mint void]

ok man

:(

[molten oasis]

i mean, i did get pult pao zac up to 1600 a while back, in the first run of reg g

[opal inlet]

pult would be goated if flutter wasnt real

and like

[molten oasis]

pult was good when flutter was around

[mint void]

or CSR

[molten oasis]

CSR and CIR fucking ruin its life

it doesnt like pao, or moon

[mint void]

if at some point CSR decide to stop being timid maybe

[opal inlet]

does being max def/spdef even save it?

from like signatures

[molten oasis]

no

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 887: Dragapult

Types

Dragon/Ghost

Abilities

Clear Body, Infiltrator, Cursed Body (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

88/120/75/100/75/142

Total

600

Sableye version 4.28.1

[molten oasis]

yea no lmfao

[mint void]

220 SpA Life Orb Calyrex-Shadow Rider Astral Barrage vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Dragapult: 296-351 (181.5 - 215.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

never

[opal inlet]

the misery

[mint void]

220 SpA Life Orb Calyrex-Shadow Rider Astral Barrage vs. +1 252 HP / 252 SpD Dragapult: 151-179 (77.4 - 91.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

psychic seed Dragapult

[opal inlet]

at that lvl of bulk its not even worth to run anymore i feel

[molten oasis]

pult just wants band max max

[mint void]

0+ Atk Tera-Ghost Dragapult Tera Blast vs. 28 HP / 4 Def Calyrex-Shadow Rider: 368-440 (205.5 - 245.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Like...its not worth it but it would be funny

[opal inlet]

funny you say?

i can make it work.

(no i cant)

[mint void]

sure do

[molten oasis]

i DID make it work

[mint void]

I dont wanna

[opal inlet]

i mean at least it isnt as bad as band clodsire in hard tr haha who would make that

[mint void]

6 Horsemen of Tryhard

[opal inlet]

dark void dream eater smeargle

w moody

[mint void]

move isnt in the game

[molten oasis]

most boring people that play the game

[mint void]

ngl

Im prolly gonna run Zacian for the rest of the reg if I dont like Caly

[molten oasis]

doggy

[mint void]

Zacian was really fun when I played it

[spiral ridge]

at least its not calydow dozogiri

[molten oasis]

i love zacian, and now it can be better cuz its not supposed to carry the team

[mint void]

If u see me play that kill me :) thanks

[spiral ridge]

dude the round 2 game today made me cry
yeah the pagos player coulda done some stuff diff but was so painful to watch

[mint void]

barely beat that shit in the GC before my battery ran out

[molten oasis]

if reg i is double res

[next stump]

just saw this - I always try to still look at those game and see if I had to put myself in a position to be weak to potential RNG

[mint void]

zacian Ogre...tbf I like ur wake team

[opal inlet]

https://pokepast.es/cc45d794f40f42b5 chat what do we think of this if we ignore the first pokemon

[next stump]

sometimes you can KO stuff like Amoonguss before it can even move

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/e1f7b2be616fbf9e i found the pult team

[spiral ridge]

team stalls game timer and switch battery its that bad lmfao

[molten oasis]

you saw that?

[next stump]

but other times you have to allow RNG to be part of the game and if you lose, chalk it up to that

[mint void]

I have the paste

[molten oasis]

just the zacwake or zacdon wake?

[mint void]

both

[molten oasis]

oh

[mint void]

not even. I just cant remove the buffs. I have to just put it to sleep and reset TR

[molten oasis]

cool

[spiral ridge]

my dad was watching with me and doesnt know shit so when i said i found the team bit cringey he was like
"well then other guy should be able to beat it then"
he do be right

[mint void]

what happened?

Was on a joyride didnt watch

[spiral ridge]

the dozogiri poison stall calydow games were just painful to watch

[molten oasis]

if wake does well enough tomorrow my dream of playing wakezac for the rest of the reg might be achievable

[molten oasis]

[spiral ridge]

as soon as the +6 pagos broke through the dozogiri timer ran and he lost on tie due to poison chip
and the dozogiri player double protected to make sure win by time

[mint void]

punch that guy afterwards

[molten oasis]

not happy someone invented that team lol

[spiral ridge]

the pagos player defo coulda played diff he left oger and kept getting his rilla caught but still were hard watched

[molten oasis]

dozo CSR is so lame

[mint void]

Dozois lame

[spiral ridge]

the pagos player webcam you see how mad he seems to get

[mint void]

2nd game u say?