competitive_discussion

[real prairie]

force switchs on things i don't want on the field

reset stat increases

[astral kelp]

https://youtu.be/JRvwgxeHe2A?si=UZOuZKgwe61LkhI3

[real prairie]

and get fid of booster mons

[astral kelp]

Yea I love red card I just haven't really found a chance to use it

Like. If incin fake outs a red card pokemon it's just like so bad for me lmao

[astral kelp]

Makes me want to run red card plus grimorra

Have you run bullet seed dice before lol

[real prairie]

nah, physical Ludi is a struggle

which is a shame because it has great physical move pool

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 272: Ludicolo

Types

Water/Grass

Abilities

Swift Swim, Rain Dish, Own Tempo (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

80/70/70/90/100/70

Total

480

Sableye version 4.28.1

[astral kelp]

Yeah 70 atk

But I guess for that team the point is to setup archie

[bold geode]

Note to self: do not try to get games in at the doctor's office with mother

Team that did good last night
Instant 0-3 to start the day
Had dead turns cuz I had to help her out and also bad Para RNG
I'm starting to think for GC it actually doesn't matter what the fuck I bring LOL

But I also just can't pay attention enough to play

[real prairie]

Ooof, yeah focus is my big downfall too

[left bobcat]

Focus punch?

[real prairie]

lol

[left bobcat]

lol

[grizzled island]

Anyone know the best competitive moveset for berloom?

[mint void]

for what format?

Its ass in VGC

[grizzled island]

For double battle

Sorry im still figuring out all the terms ect

[mint void]

Smogon? or in game?

[grizzled island]

In game

[mint void]

Breloom is really bad for ingame doubles

the format currently is way too powerful for it to have any impcat

Breloom @ Focus Sash
Ability: Technician
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass

• Spore
• Mach Punch
• Protect
• Helping Hand

maybe sth like that for spore and possibly last hitting

[real prairie]

Tera steel bullet punch is also an option

Wait it doesn't get bullet punch, ignore me

I'm thinking of loaded dice bullet seed

Breloom @ Loaded Dice
Ability: Technician
Tera Type: Steel

• Protect
• Bullet Seed
• Swords Dance
• Mach Punch

[mint void]

Idk

it just dies to anything

getting value out of SD is gonna be really tough

[grizzled island]

Tysvm

[real prairie]

Played someone earlier in 1600 with it so it can't be that bad, but yeah it's not ideal.

[mint void]

u are playing breloom but more useful tbh

[real prairie]

Haha you saying Ludicolo is better breloom? 🤣

[mint void]

at least has utility besides spore

[left bobcat]

Sporeeeee

[molten oasis]

lil guy

[molten oasis]

holy shit he's drippin

[left bobcat]

SCHYEAHHH 😎🔥🔥🔥

[plain drum]

🗣️

[dense latch]

@real prairie someone’s outsaucing your ludicolo sauce

might be time for you to shift to lotad

[real prairie]

They can have lombre

Ludicolo is my goat

[craggy dagger]

lombre??

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 271: Lombre

Types

Water/Grass

Abilities

Swift Swim, Rain Dish, Own Tempo (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

60/50/50/60/70/50

Total

340

Sableye version 4.28.1

[craggy dagger]

what does this thing do that ludicolo doesn’t

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 272: Ludicolo

Types

Water/Grass

Abilities

Swift Swim, Rain Dish, Own Tempo (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

80/70/70/90/100/70

Total

480

Sableye version 4.28.1

[craggy dagger]

i mean i guess eviolite would make it bulkier

[dense latch]

wait is it even bulkier with eviolite

[real prairie]

It's mildly better defensively with eviolite

[dense latch]

considering hp

[craggy dagger]

yeah but you’re also slower so ionno how well that would work

[real prairie]

But slower

[craggy dagger]

it would be yeah
but by a small margin i think

[real prairie]

It's literally minimal and would require investment in bulk too

[mint void]

Its ass

[dense latch]

also they did ludi so wrong with this stat spread

[real prairie]

And you lose the item slot

[mint void]

But w/e we have people coming in here thinking zhey can make ass work everyday

[real prairie]

Another victim of the split

[lost sun]

wouldn't that team get swept by a pawmot

[dense latch]

gen 3 syndrome

[craggy dagger]

135/105/135 vs 155/90/120
without any natures or EVs

[dense latch]

cant remember if that team uses scarf ursh but if it does

[craggy dagger]

hp/def/spdef

[dense latch]

that’s wraps for pawmot

[lost sun]

ye I doubt he gonna have 4 dark types

[mint void]

Well theoretically yes. Practically no. Bro has no bulk and not enough power

[craggy dagger]

so like
by not a lot-
but still a tad bit bulkier nonetheless

[real prairie]

Does lombre learn anything unique?

[craggy dagger]

i don’t think so?

[real prairie]

I'd imagine not

[dense latch]

everything lombre learns ludi does too

[mint void]

Nothing ludi doesnt gez no?

[dense latch]

is there an instance where a pokemon loses moves after evo?

[real prairie]

Yeah that's what I would have thought

[craggy dagger]

there’s a couple situations where pokemon won’t learn anything if you evolve them

[mint void]

Maybe lefties rain dish?

[real prairie]

Maybe their fave is Lombre

[craggy dagger]

hypnosis gallade is an example i can think of

[real prairie]

GG to them

[lost sun]

no

[dense latch]

interesting

[craggy dagger]

you gotta have hypnosis on your kirlia and keep it, else you lose the move

[lost sun]

what

[craggy dagger]

iirc gallade doesn’t get hypnosis unless you retain the move from when it was a kirlia?

[spiral ridge]

even in SV?

[tiny karma]

[Latest Gen] Gallade

Hypnosis:

• As Gallade by level up (1)
• As Kirlia by level up (9)
• As Ralts by level up (9)

Sableye version 4.28.1

[lost sun]

both gallade and gardevoir learn it at lvl 1

[craggy dagger]

oh-
nevermind

[spiral ridge]

pft

[craggy dagger]

maybe it was a previous gen then-

[spiral ridge]

prob

[real prairie]

There were a few examples in older gens where you would have to wait to evolve a Pokémon to not miss out on moves

[craggy dagger]

okay but also where are you finding a level 1 gallade-

[spiral ridge]

the level 1 gallade store

[lost sun]

like breloom spore

[spiral ridge]

yeahh starters were like this in an early gen werent they

[craggy dagger]

the ones i’ve caught, you can’t relearn hypnosis-
though i’ll check again

[lost sun]

mine did

[craggy dagger]

oh i remember that

maybe cuz mine was moved from swsh-
but i’m pretty sure there are a couple moves that older evos cant learn that the preevos get

[lost sun]

why are power herb and grassy seed a 1 time use and it's gone in sw/sh

[craggy dagger]

is it?

[spiral ridge]

theyre consumable like berries aint they

[craggy dagger]

i thought you always got it back at the end of the battle

[spiral ridge]

i thought that was a vgc only thing

[craggy dagger]

oh-
you mean in PvE scenarios

[spiral ridge]

prob lol

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 842: Appletun

Types

Grass/Dragon

Abilities

Ripen, Gluttony, Thick Fat (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

110/85/80/100/80/30

Total

485

Sableye version 4.28.1

[lost sun]

was gonna use them in my play through and they just disappeared

[craggy dagger]

oh nvm that’s really slow

[spiral ridge]

its a pie

[craggy dagger]

howeverr…

[spiral ridge]

how fast have you seen a pie move besides the one im chucking at you

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 235: Smeargle

Type

Normal

Abilities

Own Tempo, Technician, Moody (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

55/20/35/20/45/75

Total

250

Sableye version 4.28.1

[craggy dagger]

a loaf of bread is faster than that 😭

[spiral ridge]

smeargle is bread?

[craggy dagger]

no

dachsbun

[spiral ridge]

ohh

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 927: Dachsbun

Type

Fairy

Abilities

Well-Baked Body, Aroma Veil (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

57/80/115/50/80/95

Total

477

Sableye version 4.28.1

[spiral ridge]

thats because buns you can eat on the go and pies you sit down for

[lost sun]

does an eviolite boost the damage for body press

[craggy dagger]

body press deals damage based on the battle effective defense stat so yes it would

[spiral ridge]

if im eating a pie im not moving for a while
a piece of bread im schmoving right after

quite literally gluttony

[craggy dagger]

i’m not gonna question pokemon logic
cuz vikavolt’s dex entry says it moves fast but its base speed is fucked up

also a fat cat is faster than a pokemon thats based off a jet plane

[spiral ridge]

plus appletun weighs a ton and does little tappy tap footsteps that are so cute

[lost sun]

we need a physical defense assault vest

[craggy dagger]

defense boost by 1.5 but you’re only allowed to click status moves

amoongus would go crazy over that

[spiral ridge]

https://www.tiktok.com/@420tb69/video/7425523067436223777?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc
like listen to this cute bitch

[spiral ridge]

your AV switch sableye would have a much better purpose

[craggy dagger]

i gotta go build my gc team but im missing a core member 😭

[spiral ridge]

who

[craggy dagger]

iron valiant

[lost sun]

can I not change anything in the team I entered into a competition

[spiral ridge]

i am scarlet but i could check if i have one?

does it needy any 0 IVs

[craggy dagger]

no you can’t-
as soon as you lock in the team, it’s stuck

[craggy dagger]

nah
it’s gonna be max IVs anyways

[spiral ridge]

ill look but i may not sry

[lost sun]

my scizor got terra Stella want to change it for steel

[craggy dagger]

cuz imprison wide guard

mnope
unfortunately you can’t

[lost sun]

sucks

[craggy dagger]

all good lol.
i’ll find one somewhere

[lost sun]

can't even enter a 2nd team

idk why I can't use it outside the comp either it's just stupid

[spiral ridge]

I dont got one :(
i know minh and raika both on violet cus theyre doing mirai beast ball shenanigans

[craggy dagger]

i can just use scarf shifu

if i don’t get one by tomorrow

[spiral ridge]

wh-
are you that scared to bother em 😭

[craggy dagger]

i’ll bother them today 😭

[spiral ridge]

good

was gonna call you dumb

:3

[real prairie]

Fuck yeah

[bold geode]

Who's yeah?

[molten oasis]

[real prairie]

Oh the temptation to say "your mum's nickname" but feel that's underhanded 😅😭🤣

I sincerely apologise

[bold geode]

Nah I figured it was your dad's cuz then I might've been tempted

[real prairie]

Bravo

[bold geode]

bows

(GIFs wouldn't load for me)

[spiral ridge]

how does the pp system work cus i assumed that was tries remaining and so i thought i had more 😭

fucked up bad lmfao

[dense latch]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2323545609-rmn42gl20tpedijrun765ux5exh03capw i love eleki lando

also ignore whatever my opponent's username is

[atomic mural]

not even using iron hands

[left bobcat]

Huuuuuuuuh I’m back

Todays test felt a little too easy

Now I’m worried

[atomic mural]

dont know what the game is about but i did it

[astral kelp]

i love carbink

[solid frigate]

252 SpA Choice Specs Protean Greninja Ice Beam vs. 100 HP / 4 SpD Miraidon: 174-206 (92.5 - 109.5%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO

Enough said

[foggy lodge]

Stockholm this weekend

wujuu

[solid frigate]

kek

[dense latch]

i forgot about that let's goo

[foggy lodge]

Terapagos's regional win comes this weekend

[atomic mural]

[dense latch]

terapawashed

[foggy lodge]

noooo leave him alone

[dense latch]

no

252+ Atk Orichalcum Pulse Koraidon Collision Course (Super Effective) vs. 172 HP / 52+ Def Tera-Stellar Terapagos-Stellar: 275-328 (107 - 127.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[solid frigate]

252 SpA Choice Specs Protean Greninja Ice Beam vs. 100 HP / 4 SpD Miraidon: 174-206 (92.5 - 109.5%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO

Just some funny calc

and best thing is Greninja can outspeed Modest Miraidon

[chrome knot]

ohmygod just kill me already

[spiral ridge]

That poor monkey

[azure ether]

do Final Gambit Annihilapes run max speed Jolly?

[dense latch]

yes

max hp max speed jolly

[spiral ridge]

Usually scarf too

[azure ether]

I can't help but be anxious of my gambit ape MUs for Nats

istg this region loves TR

[left bobcat]

Herro?

[dense latch]

https://tenor.com/view/tyler-herro-miami-heat-heat-culture-nba-gif-17489580905181962259

don't ask me about the heat please

[bold geode]

Use an Amoongus LOL

[bold geode]

Emma the team was fun but I think I'm reverting back to Zam for GC

[chrome knot]

okie

[bold geode]

Mainly cuz well
I feel I need experience to really use that team and well that requires time which I really don't have
Good team though, really fun and really good

Me likey

Thx for sharing

But yeah like low-key today I've probably had like actually 30 min to practice and try to figure shit out the entire day

It is now 9:47 PM

I woke up at let's see here ah yes

7:30 AM

[left bobcat]

Normally tomorrow I’d wake up hella early

I get to wake up at 7am unfortunately it’s because I gotta go to my friends funeral

[chrome knot]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2323641007-fp65x3bcmtmeo3t541tlg9aw3ck25cspw

[left bobcat]

Hands up high

[astral kelp]

thoughts on this concept?

we looove sun

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2323692131
played AWFULLY nad still win lmao

hm i dont really like koraidon or groudon but i still want the double sun setter thing

[shadow wind]

How could you not like Groudon

[astral kelp]

i love everything about groudon

except one thing

can you guess what it is lmao

[shadow wind]

Gambling !

[molten oasis]

yk why most people dont play groudon lol

[astral kelp]

like he would be PERFECT for my team

but the thought of missing blades makes me cry inside'

[shadow wind]

😔

[molten oasis]

play high horsepower

you'll only miss 5% of the time

or go into the game with a mindset of "i either hit or i dont"

[astral kelp]

then i might as well just use koraidon lmao

[molten oasis]

theres also that

[astral kelp]

but yea what do you guys think of this concept

i changed torkoal to this

after you toarkoal feels really strong

unless they have like priority aqua jet or something

[molten oasis]

tera ground torkoal?

[astral kelp]

oh wait i forgot to change it mvb

the idea was to tera fground earth power but eh its kinda dumb theres not that much of a point

hmm torkoal is kind of a positioning nightmare with specs

i need something that likes switching in

[shadow wind]

Amoonguss

[astral kelp]

yea idk

im trying to make a team thats like good enough to get me to 1400

i got skill issue tho

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2323709216-29t97esuh93993ln990ojchwrqxvp8rpw

i am winning games but ofc this feel shella clunky

wait i have protect on my fluttermane LOLK

hm i dont really need valient in this team i think

[shadow wind]

Man what am I even supposed to do

[astral kelp]

just run gravity its as shrimple as thast

WAIT WHAT PRECIPICE BLADES HIDS LANDOROUS??

but but

but why

[molten oasis]

gravity

[astral kelp]

OHHHH

i completely forgot it did that

[molten oasis]

gravity removes flying type's immunity

[astral kelp]

LMAO

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2323715383

actually peak pokemon gameplay\

[shadow wind]

It's 95% accurate it shouldn't be double missing 😭

[strange fjord]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2323721627

I shouldve KO'd lando with ogerpon but overall, i think this battle was silly enough

Oh oh, ever seen Munchlax be sent out in battle and be useful? Here ya go: https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2323720881?p2

[shadow wind]

Common Pizza W

Using the only CIR team I can like

[astral kelp]

lol 0.25% chance

1 in 400 icy wind

[shadow wind]

Thank you, it's happened enough times I know the numbers

[astral kelp]

thats crazy wth is your luck HAHAH

[shadow wind]

It's bad

Always been bad

Probably one of the last people that should be playing Groudon

[astral kelp]

loool maybe you just havbe to hope that your luck stays vbad while playing showdown but is good in real tournaments

[cyan smelt]

U need gravity

[azure ether]

I hate that everytime I read this word, I immediately think of JoJo

[shadow wind]

Gravity is for suckers !

[cyan smelt]

If you gamble the house always wins

[shadow wind]

Groudon is the house

[astral kelp]

hey @shadow wind could you help me with this team

i think for the memey after you liligant concept it has potential but its so fucking akward lmao

what are some things you like running

[azure ether]

run solar blade instead

[astral kelp]

makes sense alr

[azure ether]

is there anything else that Sableye needs to be dodging to be using cloak? you're immune to Fake Out already

[astral kelp]

oh woops i meant mental herb

[azure ether]

or light clay

[astral kelp]

oh i havent considered that

would i replace wisp with reflect?

[shadow wind]

You could go Roseli berry

And for Indeedee I would go tera grass

The tera grass follow me rocky helmet combo is gross

[azure ether]

is it ok to run berries when horses are around?

[shadow wind]

Spore protection

[astral kelp]

poor urshifu and amoongus

[shadow wind]

Great point

Wrong text

Berry point is what I meant to reply to

[astral kelp]

any obvious pokemon changes?

[shadow wind]

There was a team that used Iron Val and Sableye

[astral kelp]

yea i was using val befor ebut decided to change iot for indeedee

[azure ether]

Yawn on Torkoal is fine too but you can try what your current set as it is

[shadow wind]

Yawn Tork is nasty work

[astral kelp]

over hh?

[azure ether]

would also be nice if you have manual sun

[astral kelp]

i was considering torn

but idk if he would really work here better than anything else i have

[azure ether]

which calcs do you need HH for

[astral kelp]

i havent reeally done any calother than like csr and stuff lol

[azure ether]

you can keep HH for now, just set aside the Yawn tech if you find yourself needing it over HH

[astral kelp]

definitevly an option i didnt know about

[shadow wind]

I can't see you clicking HH

You could also go tera fire on Tork

Just fully nuke

[astral kelp]

LOL yea alr its not like im too threatened by water types anyways

wait wtf

i trained my fluttermane to outspeed 252 speed calyrex how tf is caly outspeeding

[shadow wind]

Scarf?

[azure ether]

tera steel on flutter also seems counterproductive to me

[astral kelp]

WHO RUNS SCARF CALY??

[astral kelp]

the idea is to one shot tera fairy caly

[shadow wind]

A shocking amount of people

[astral kelp]

what the heel man

[azure ether]

looks like you need a TW mode

[shadow wind]

Cause then they run Modest and just blow everything up

Well they have a TR mode

[azure ether]

slap a Jumpluff on

[shadow wind]

I feel like the TR mode is enough

[astral kelp]

doesnt sound too bad na idea

[shadow wind]

They have Indeedee

[astral kelp]

yeah

[shadow wind]

Literally immune to Astral barrage

[astral kelp]

thing is i didnt bring indeedee because i didnt think i would need it

[shadow wind]

Valid

[astral kelp]

i was like oh flutter outspeedfs and one shots anyways

lmfao

[shadow wind]

Yeah against CSR I would say always bring TR mode

[azure ether]

the things CTS does to a person

[shadow wind]

Why I moved to OTS

I like seeing this and knowing how they're going to shaft me

[azure ether]

I dread the day we mandatorily return to CTS because Tera is gone

[astral kelp]

whats cts?

[azure ether]

closed team sheets

[astral kelp]

icic

man im gonna miss tera

i think its such a cool mechanic'

[azure ether]

that's what Champions is for

[shadow wind]

I actually really dislike tera

[astral kelp]

why am i cursed with first turn wake up curse

like why

[molten oasis]

so, i liked tera until restricted happened

i think tera is fine in lower power formats but like, im so sick of tera fairy CSR and tera water CIR man

[astral kelp]

yeah thats a good point

hm i kinda just lose to ogre

[azure ether]

you're kinda forced to bring both your sun setters

or find a way to set manual sun

[astral kelp]

yea and kyogre still one shots groudon and torkoal through sun anyways

[azure ether]

hoenn moment

[astral kelp]

whats a man gonna do

[azure ether]

gg go next

you kinda need to outspeed ogre?

[astral kelp]

i can

[azure ether]

is it still faster than chlorophyll boosted lilli?

[astral kelp]

it is not

[azure ether]

just solar blade it then

[astral kelp]

yeah its just really akward positioning wise lol

[astral kelp]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2323756025-vc924jx1i9q6313uswdft9w3umfnskypw ty for the advice :)

[gentle crag]

k4x1 has given 1 Gen Rep to connertep

[azure ether]

no way they walked into TR like that

[shadow wind]

They had 1000 elo

I expected it

[real prairie]

morning

[real prairie]

So fun watching Golisipod used for something:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOXDTxLR3QE&ab_channel=SmallAntVODS

[astral kelp]

yeah idfk

the fucking fake tears\

[astral kelp]

i legit cant think of a sinngle way to make this team better

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2323835434

[azure ether]

that was beautiful

it's like Jack's Kyogre team but reversed

[real prairie]

earth power or Yawn on Torkoal, Skill swap on Sabeleye because if you skillswap Drought it brings the sun back up

maybe tera normal fluttermane

[azure ether]

true, you're not really clicking Weather Ball in the rain here

[real prairie]

id also make it so its booster speed, not booster SpAtk

[real prairie]

weatherball is fine, dont see a use for 2 helping hands mons

[azure ether]

they wanted to one shot tera fairy Caly, but I rly think it's better to outlast the Caly instead

[astral kelp]

it is speeder booster dw

[real prairie]

im also questionable on the choice specs, prefer to be able to protect on Flutter personally

[astral kelp]

yea i get that

[azure ether]

opening move is wild tho

[astral kelp]

fair enough ive only really usaed it once and i think flutter and groudon dont reallly need it

[azure ether]

85% chance you win on the spot

[astral kelp]

lol ikr

after you toarkoal is kinda fucking crazy

[real prairie]

Maybe swap the Def + HP investment, useful for surviving physical attacks

[astral kelp]

done

[real prairie]

and if you aren't going tera normal to survive TW+Astrals then maybe Tera water is a safer defensive type than Steel, too many fighting types

[astral kelp]

i might change out of specs and give it back to toarkoal wyt

the problem with specs toarkoal is just thgat its such akward positioning

[azure ether]

steel also hurts you in the sun

[real prairie]

Id keep it off the team entirely

[astral kelp]

what item do i run instead on mane?

[azure ether]

boosted fire attacks and all

[real prairie]

booster energy on flutter is always fine, if you get caught out with a weather swap you still outspeed

[astral kelp]

i feel like my team mostly struggles against water types because groudon can literally do nothing against water types even in rain and neither can toarkoal even in sun

[astral kelp]

so tera water?

[azure ether]

water or normal as Lud said

[astral kelp]

oh ig ill go normal because csr is still kind of a struggle

i lost to a scarf cr a bit ago i was so mad lmao

[real prairie]

you have Indeedee for CSR tbf and just TR

[astral kelp]

hm true

[real prairie]

you could run TR on flutter as a double bluff

[astral kelp]

okay so i have

leaf blade - kyogre
groundon - miraidon
indeedee - csr
toarkoal - cir

[real prairie]

gives you follow me TR, or Protect TR

[astral kelp]

feels illegal to tr on flutter lol

so far i think sable eye is probably the weakest part of the team and i could prolly just go without gravity

or maybe a different user

[azure ether]

manual sun + TW setter or good ol Incin

[astral kelp]

tornados?

[azure ether]

Torn or Jumpluff

[astral kelp]

incin makes me have like 3 weak to water lmao

btw whats the advantages of jumpluff over torn or whimsy?

[azure ether]

sleep powder

you can run Whims too

[astral kelp]

fuckin hate that move im never gonna press it imma be real even tough i have it on liligant

[real prairie]

Farig

[astral kelp]

run fari and indeedee?

or fari over indeedee

[real prairie]

over i guess

frees up the sabeleye spot

[azure ether]

you lose redirection. is it worth it?

[real prairie]

can have a different redirector

[azure ether]

Amoonguss time

or Firepon

[astral kelp]

oo i like the idea of fire pon

[real prairie]

is it weird to think Waterpon might have some useage, switch ins with water absorb and follow me's gives you water protection

[azure ether]

this team is gonna be like the ship of Theseus

[astral kelp]

i was considering it for a while

water pon

running water pon feels illegal in a sun team tho i might as well not use ivy cudgel lmfao

[azure ether]

it's worth considering

[real prairie]

you could still run ivy-c for getting caught in rain

[astral kelp]

hm

it is really fucking good

and im kinda struggling with the shifu

[tiny karma]

Ogerpon-Wellspring's moveset:

Physical Moves

Brick Break, Bullet Seed, Counter, Double Kick, Facade, False Swipe, Fling, Giga Impact, Grassy Glide, Horn Leech, Ivy Cudgel, Knock Off, Lash Out, Low Kick, Low Sweep, Play Rough, Power Whip, Quick Attack, Retaliate, Reversal, Rock Tomb, Seed Bomb, Slam, Solar Blade, Stomping Tantrum, Superpower, Take Down, Throat Chop, Trailblaze, U-turn, Vine Whip, Wood Hammer, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Energy Ball, Giga Drain, Grass Knot, Leaf Storm, Magical Leaf, Solar Beam, Tera Blast

Status Moves

Charm, Encore, Endure, Focus Energy, Follow Me, Grassy Terrain, Growth, Helping Hand, Leech Seed, Protect, Rain Dance, Rest, Sandstorm, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Spikes, Spiky Shield, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swords Dance, Synthesis, Taunt

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Ogerpon-Wellspring.

Sableye version 4.28.1

Ability: Embody Aspect (Wellspring)

On switch-in, this Pokemon's Special Defense is raised by 1 stage.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[astral kelp]

and i could run 0 speed ogre

random spreads but hm

[azure ether]

0 spe ogerpon is illegal

it has fixed IVs

[astral kelp]

since i got a trick room mode

ig i just run this then lopl

[azure ether]

oh you meant EVs

[astral kelp]

h yaeh

hahahahahah

[real prairie]

Solar-blade waterpon could be interesting in sun

[astral kelp]

oooo

true asf

[azure ether]

nobody expects it

[astral kelp]

i only outspeed this

[azure ether]

makes her relevant in both weathers

[astral kelp]

i dont need to outspeed urshifu

nor ogre

so might as well go 0 speed tbh

[real prairie]

Follow me, Spikey Shield, Horn Leech, Encore the other set you could run

[azure ether]

kinda hard to pull off an Encore lock with 0 speed investment, don't you think?

[real prairie]

slow encore is good

[astral kelp]

i got encore on liligant with like 300 speed

[real prairie]

you read what they are gonna use, encore them into it

[azure ether]

basically gambling

[astral kelp]

^^^

remember im at 1000 elo range

[azure ether]

you're gambling with blades already

[astral kelp]

this dude proority fake teared in psychic terrains twice in a roll

[azure ether]

go all in, I guess

[real prairie]

i wouldn't run blades and Encore

one or the other

[azure ether]

Swords Dance set on Groudon then?

[astral kelp]

honestly tho im really considering solar blade

[azure ether]

I meant Precipice Blades btw, not Solar Blade

[astral kelp]

this souinds like a hilarious set

ill prolly juyst cut horn leech

[azure ether]

cudgel

no reason to not run it

[astral kelp]

yea cudgel over leech

[astral kelp]

sun is kinda reason

[real prairie]

yeah, good in both weathers

[astral kelp]

true

[azure ether]

you have Solar Blade in sun

[tiny karma]

Move: Solar Blade

This attack charges on the first turn and executes on the second. Power is halved if the weather is Hail, Primordial Sea, Rain Dance, or Sandstorm and the user is not holding Utility Umbrella. If the user is holding a Power Herb or the weather is Desolate Land or Sunny Day, the move completes in one turn. If the user is holding Utility Umbrella and the weather is Desolate Land or Sunny Day, the move still requires a turn to charge.

Type

Grass

Category

Physical

Power

125

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Charge

Has a charging turn.

Contact

Makes contact.

Slicing

Boosted by Sharpness.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[azure ether]

it's physical solar beam

[real prairie]

mmhh, is it better to just run wood hammer, not having a grass move in the rain is pain

5 less damage

[astral kelp]

but solar blade is funnier :D

[real prairie]

haha i suppose

[azure ether]

CTS in a nutshell

[astral kelp]

im just grabbing a random girafe set

something like that

[real prairie]

TR, Gravity, HH, Foul play if you are going Mental herb

[astral kelp]

OH YEA BRING TYHE GRAVITY BACK YOU RIGHT

i forgot girafe learnt that

thats so much better

[real prairie]

thats why i suggested it

[astral kelp]

should i bring back the sleep powder

[real prairie]

replace Indeede + Sabeleye in 1 mon

[real prairie]

I would

[azure ether]

you did say you're not clicking it

[astral kelp]

unless gravity is up i dont click it

[real prairie]

why i do not know lol

with a sash, protect + Sleep power turn 1 can be worth the risk

[astral kelp]

is it worth clicking when i know im definitevly missing it lol

[astral kelp]

true

[azure ether]

^

for context

[astral kelp]

yea unless gravity is up i usually dont click it

but i trust that man with my life

[tiny karma]

Move: Gravity

For 5 turns, the evasiveness of all active Pokemon is multiplied by 0.6. At the time of use, Bounce, Fly, Magnet Rise, Sky Drop, and Telekinesis end immediately for all active Pokemon. During the effect, Bounce, Fly, Flying Press, High Jump Kick, Jump Kick, Magnet Rise, Sky Drop, Splash, and Telekinesis are prevented from being used by all active Pokemon. Ground-type attacks, Spikes, Toxic Spikes, Sticky Web, and the Arena Trap Ability can affect Flying types or Pokemon with the Levitate Ability. Fails if this move is already in effect.

Type

Psychic

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[astral kelp]

FUCK

[real prairie]

you keep encore?

encore the sub

[astral kelp]

i didnt :(

[azure ether]

no more After You shenanigans

[real prairie]

close combat + Eruption time

[astral kelp]

quaza kinda fucks me up

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9vgc2025regg-2323856643

heres the game if you wanna watch it

i think he gave up lol

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2323856643

[real prairie]

terrific switch into flutter

[astral kelp]

thank you i was proud of it hahaha

[gentle crag]

k4x1 has given 1 Gen Rep to oneofakindof

[astral kelp]

only reason i knew to was because ive madse a team almost exactly like that vefore

[azure ether]

nice pivot

[real prairie]

@azure ether whens your tourney?

[azure ether]

April 26-27

team is still open to changes, since registration closes on April 20

[real prairie]

if i come up with any changes ill let you know

not sure if this is the same spread for Ludi as i gave you before:

Pina (Ludicolo) (F) @ Life Orb
Ability: Swift Swim
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 228 Def / 52 SpA / 228 Spe
Timid Nature

• Fake Out
• Encore
• Grass Knot
• Weather Ball

[azure ether]

I'm still shiny hunting Litten

[azure ether]

different EVs I'm sure

and it had helmet

[real prairie]

Yeah i swapped back to LO

Lorb grass knot with 52 SpA OHKOs a 44hp 156SpD Urshifu 75% of the time

[azure ether]

right. I'll adjust it soon

[astral kelp]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2323862560-6a9sbmxpc0lunu9oh1374vn2tdqtro4pw

[azure ether]

I've played some games in cart. Terapagos is indeed a pain

[astral kelp]

teams actually feeling really good

idk why he protected turn 1 when he could have just fake out toarkoal

free trick room

oh wait no it wasnt i have toarkoal LOOOL

[real prairie]

yeah he feared the torkoal, btw remember you have Farig, switching in to obvious fake outs can win you a game

[azure ether]

FO into Protect for what

[astral kelp]

literally wtf

[real prairie]

break sash and switch into Pelliper turn 2 i guess, why they didn't idk

just got blown up instead

pelliper switch, tera water and glacial lance puts them in a good spot next turn

[azure ether]

ELO diff, I guess

and I'm 1.1k

[astral kelp]

im getting close too 1.2 with this team

not too bad actually lol

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2323866577-b6bnt6kb59qdkh18it5yw0daonbbyjlpw

hooooly

[azure ether]

gg go next

try it in bo3. I'm curious

[astral kelp]

i will LOSE

i have way too much adhd for bo3

[mint void]

Not to tera infont of fari is ballsy

[real prairie]

id have protect + TR turn 1 personally, then gravity + Pblades

[azure ether]

you have nothing to lose

[solid frigate]

thats not an excuse especially for me

at least

[astral kelp]

heres my reasoning LOL

[real prairie]

that is not an excuse in this chat, you are amongst brethren

[astral kelp]

adhd gang

ill play 1 bo3 game just for you

[real prairie]

Sprectrum Society

[astral kelp]

dude yknow whats fucking crazy

[azure ether]

I play bo3 without reading sheets

you'll be fine

[astral kelp]

its a bad martch

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9vgc2025reggbo3-2323873931

HE TAILWINDED IN FRONT OF FARI WHAT

surely fari lives this

nope im cooked LOL

[real prairie]

sprinkler vs water cannon https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2323874121

[astral kelp]

ahhh that groudon switch was so bad

i was expecting him to protect mooon

imma predict ogre switch

nvm

[real prairie]

PBLADES FFS

single target

full 110 damage

+stab

[astral kelp]

aaaah man

[real prairie]

you wally

haha

[astral kelp]

i tried to predict kyogre switch

woulda been huuuuge

TOO EASY

[azure ether]

what do you think of this Loaded Dice Tsareena set? @real prairie

[astral kelp]

I used "mom is calling you"

its groudons signature move

[real prairie]

for what reason?

[real prairie]

don't overplay

[azure ether]

potentially better than Power Whip?

[real prairie]

but then you have dodgy triple axel

[astral kelp]

yeah ahhaha

[real prairie]

which leaves Kyogre vunerable to Rilla

[azure ether]

aight good point

[azure ether]

that's the first time I've seen tera ghost kyogre

[real prairie]

its a BO1 set, avoid fake outs and blow shit up with waterspout

[astral kelp]

wait does after you trick room work

i see nothiong that says it wouldnt

[azure ether]

it just takes TR from -7 prio to -6

[solid frigate]

lmfao

[real prairie]

it does

[solid frigate]

Groudon Approved

[astral kelp]

that seems kinda crazy

[azure ether]

no wait that's Prankster TR

[astral kelp]

i mean ig the only use is if you think your tr user will be 1 shot

[real prairie]

@astral kelp fun team in 1400s https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9vgc2025regg-2323887015

[azure ether]

he forgot his own terrain

[dense latch]

it does work

i've seen it before

it's just an awkward second turn

[astral kelp]

Just akward in general tbh

[solid frigate]

seen people do that and its dumb

But whatever

[dense latch]

like what do you do with a liligant and a passive tr setter after tr starts

forces some bad repositioning

[solid frigate]

Terapapapapapapagos

[astral kelp]

yeah as shit as i am i have full confidence i can get there

im not too familiar with groudon

wait is that fucking dewgong

and articuno

BATON PASS ARTICUNO??

and he extreeme speed into his own terrain

[solid frigate]

ladders being weird

[azure ether]

never would happen in cart frfr

[real prairie]

yeah silly mistake, happens

[solid frigate]

i seen quick Claw Oranguru backfired his strat

[astral kelp]

yeah

[real prairie]

ive gone it plenty with Fake out or sucker punch, forgetting the terrain is there

[astral kelp]

thats so based i love quick claw

[real prairie]

fully weird

[astral kelp]

yknow i feel like i should run more coverage on groudon

[real prairie]

meh, not really

[astral kelp]

its typing is really akward

[azure ether]

it's gen 9 Groudon

[dense latch]

what does tera electric flutter do?

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 383: Groudon

Type

Ground

Abilities

Drought

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/150/140/100/90/90

Total

670

Other Formes

Groudon-Primal

Sableye version 4.28.1

[astral kelp]

wait wtf

[real prairie]

not what i meant to do

[astral kelp]

its supposed to be normal

[solid frigate]

i was practicing with my GC team and they instruct fake out

Thanks to Quick Claw

[gentle crag]

morrispxg456 has given 1 Gen Rep to k4x1

[dense latch]

lmao

[real prairie]

LOL

[astral kelp]

how tf did i do that

[solid frigate]

and i killed Both with Greninja

[real prairie]

ROFL

[astral kelp]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[azure ether]

encore with extra steps lmao

[astral kelp]

oo can i beat arubega miraidon

hes not gonna expect after you groudon

[azure ether]

as long as you don't get a Groudon moment

[astral kelp]

actually hes probably gonna tera fairy

yeah

[solid frigate]

my original thought is Instruct Fire move

i think i can OHKO Arubega Miraidon with Greninja

[astral kelp]

yeah i fucked up didnt play around tera fairy

i also didnt expect tera fairy miraidon to do 64% OF GROUDON WTF

[solid frigate]

ladder players always T1 TW Dgleam

[astral kelp]

honestly i might start going tera steel with heavy slam

[azure ether]

nah, tera fire is fine

[astral kelp]

i just really want a way to deal with fairy types

[azure ether]

it still resists fairy

[dense latch]

heat crash in sun + tera fire should be doing similar damage

[azure ether]

Heavy Slam should be max BP on Groudon most of the time

[dense latch]

if not more

252+ Atk Groudon Heat Crash (120 BP) vs. 212 HP / 132 Def Flutter Mane in Sun: 164-193 (104.4 - 122.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[real prairie]

you should be leading TR into TW leads anyway

[dense latch]

252+ Atk Tera-Fire Groudon Heat Crash (80 BP) vs. 44 HP / 4 Def Tera-Fairy Miraidon in Sun: 126-148 (69.6 - 81.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO this is also pretty decent

[astral kelp]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2323898414
lol i love getting chill dudes in showdown

[astral kelp]

pretty decemt uea

[solid frigate]

I just Draco Meteor on Groudon most of the time to get the potential highest damage with Miraidon

no need to Tera Fairy Dgleam

[astral kelp]

252+ Atk Tera-Steel Groudon Heavy Slam (80 BP) vs. 44 HP / 4 Def Tera-Fairy Miraidon: 168-198 (92.8 - 109.3%) -- 50% chance to OHKO

yeah its not thaaat much of a difference

[solid frigate]

252 SpA Choice Specs Protean Greninja Ice Beam vs. 100 HP / 4 SpD Miraidon: 174-206 (92.5 - 109.5%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO

I just realised i outspeed Modest Mirai 4/252/252 with Greninja @real prairie

[astral kelp]

thats like greninjas whole thing

speedy boy

[mint void]

already said that Yday

[real prairie]

assume you are timid?

[astral kelp]

liligant torkoal is actually such a crazy best of 1 set

[solid frigate]

Timid Max speed Gren vs Modest Mirai

[azure ether]

add BOR to it and it's guaranteed, no?

[real prairie]

it had success in BO3 too @astral kelp

[solid frigate]

fuck this i have memory issues

[astral kelp]

not really op ffd lol

[real prairie]

mmhh

[astral kelp]

gets HARD countered by fake out

i might make lili tera ghost

[solid frigate]

Miraidon still Outspeeds i Timid or over 191

Gren Timid Max speed is 191

[azure ether]

the opponent should respect a Farig in the back, no?

[astral kelp]

ehhhh true

[real prairie]

whats this with tera steller? or will it not stack with Protean?

[astral kelp]

its just that torkoal is kind of a sitting duck without trick room or after you

[mint void]

protean is just normal stab so should stack

[mint void]

Heatwave in the sun still hits fine

or flamethrower

[real prairie]

a good opponent does, in 1100 youll have to teach them the hard way with the hard switces into farig

[astral kelp]

i guess

im using weather ball

its just so slow

[solid frigate]

i just like spore immunity in Grass

Plus i already throwed the Gren spread in GC

also using the opportunity to use Greninja cuz nobody cares about its movepool

[real prairie]

Im an obvious advocate of use your bestie's

lol

[azure ether]

username checks out

[astral kelp]

how do i see my lp?

point thigy on ladder

[solid frigate]

thats true for me+ few other reasons

1.Actually decent Type synergy with Calyrex Ice Rider
2.Can threaten Multiple restricteds suprisingly
3.The Whole reason why my VGC name exists

[azure ether]

Find a user and then enter your own username

[astral kelp]

yea?

[charred saddle]

you can also just click your own name

[dense latch]

just do /rank on any room

[astral kelp]

wheres the lil clown guy D:

i have him im my work laptop

NYEHE THERE HE IS

[mint void]

another one

[astral kelp]

sick

is gxe my win rate lmao

[mint void]

hells thats a lot

[astral kelp]

yeahhhh

thats not even counting my games at work i dont think

[azure ether]

that's a lotta games

[astral kelp]

where i basically just play pokemon showdown while helping old ladies with their computers for like 9 hours straight

wait no it must be since its same username

oh yea that explains it lmao

[solid frigate]

i did not bother make alts for my testings

well only 2 but thats it

[astral kelp]

Why do people even make alts feels kinda pointless

[dense latch]

this are my games on my main

prob have way more between all my alts

[solid frigate]

highest is probably 1500 in bo1
1300-1400 in Bo3

[astral kelp]

Positive wr 0-o

[azure ether]

my anxiety just always gets the best of me the more I play

[solid frigate]

almost everyone here has positive win ratios

[dense latch]

i think this is my best gxe

[astral kelp]

Tbf it's not like I'm trying to have a positive wr with my teams lmao

[solid frigate]

i think there is one alt that has better GXE than you in here

And thats my AV kyogre Team

[dense latch]

nice

[astral kelp]

This is just half of the sheer amount of abhorrent garbage I've made LOL

[solid frigate]

AV Kyogre with Iron Boulder lmao

[astral kelp]

That's kinda crazy

[azure ether]

eh it's fine as long as you're not too hard on yourself about it

[astral kelp]

I was actually expecting waaay less

40% wr is kinda shocking to me

[azure ether]

no use having high win rate if your mental health suffers for it

[astral kelp]

A lot of my teams work like 1 in ever 5 games

[solid frigate]

I’ll just hope that My GC team worked for the time being

[astral kelp]

What's everyone's main team rn?

[solid frigate]

i am already making Team documents and stuff

[azure ether]

I'm using whatever Ludi's team is

[solid frigate]

Miraidon Non Arubega Team
Calyrex Ice Rider
Calm Mind Terapagos

Calm Mind Kyogre Covert acloak

[dense latch]

navjit joshi updated cir eleki lando

[astral kelp]

Imagine showing this sentence to your grandma she would have a stroke

Eleki cir sounds really interesting tho

[mint void]

brother...thats 4

[astral kelp]

KKKK

[solid frigate]

I keep on cycling them lmao

[astral kelp]

This seems cool

[solid frigate]

At this point reg g is just a snooze fest for me

[real prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/water-burst-dump-flow-gif-16539503

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2323913686-s5qblnahgaun54y6prbfeuwh92e8v60pw

[solid frigate]

Kyogre when he about to p-

[astral kelp]

I really wanna play a reg h kind of format

[mint void]

^

[solid frigate]

Trust me i have mental issues playing against Sneasler

[astral kelp]

I feel like I would be able to get away with so much bullshit

[solid frigate]

especially i am playing Sylveon Garchomp

[astral kelp]

Dire claw is so funny

Would be fun to make a dire claw rainbow pledge team

Ooh or skill swap serene grace

[solid frigate]

Sylveon Garchomp with Incin,Hisuian Samurott,Villvion

I forgot whats the last mon fuck-

oh P2

[azure ether]

telepathy Noivern?

[astral kelp]

Wait who tf is hisuian samurlt

[solid frigate]

Bruh

[astral kelp]

Oh that's just samurot but his horn goes weewooweewoo

Istg I've never seen that pokemon before lmao

[solid frigate]

Almost got 1600 with that team-

[astral kelp]

What's the team do?

[solid frigate]

lemme find the team

[chrome knot]

@real prairie i experienced the quad origin pulse miss to lose a game

[solid frigate]

its on my laptop fucken hell

[astral kelp]

Btw wtf is glicko 1

[solid frigate]

Birmingham moment

[real prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/pain-gif-18457460

[real prairie]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glicko_rating_system

[azure ether]

blades and pulse will get buffed in gen 10. TRUST

or horse moves will get nerfed

[solid frigate]

they nerfed it once didn’t they?

[azure ether]

just -10 BP on lance, iirc

[astral kelp]

Oh chess.com system kc

[real prairie]

Might abandom my main now, tired of dropping when i try push for 1700 lol

back to 1600 again though haha

[azure ether]

will you be playing in a regional again?

[mint void]

trynna preserve internet points instead of getting good practice?

bro has a whole ass keldeo that my team cant do shit against

[real prairie]

hopefully, but money is tight

[real prairie]

alts only haha

[azure ether]

oh right, registration fees

[chrome knot]

and travelling fees…

flights accommodations n such

[mint void]

Sucks ngl

traveling is fun as shit

[astral kelp]

I kinda wanna make a completely anti fun team with ting Lu and incinerar that just makes it so opp isn't allowed to do damage

[chrome knot]

it is

[mint void]

not plane but like road trips and so on

[real prairie]

even eating too lol #

[mint void]

u can starve

[astral kelp]

You guys got a lot regional in the UK?

[mint void]

ull live

[real prairie]

ill be forced to eat Pina

[real prairie]

1

[mint void]

5 mons should be good enough

[azure ether]

can't say I can relate but even this Nats already has me spending a lot since I'm like an island away from the capital

[chrome knot]

flight to Vanc -$450
bnb -$300
trip itself over the weekend -$800, granted we party’d with friends, went out on multiple occasions etc

[astral kelp]

I have a buddy who's been hosting tournaments in New Zealand

[chrome knot]

travel expensive..

[astral kelp]

He's like 20 years old it's crazy how small the scene is here

[mint void]

tbf

[astral kelp]

Jesus christ wtf

Why are flights so expensive for you guys

[mint void]

smolll

[chrome knot]

tbf i flew across the country lmao

[mint void]

I can do that in the car for 60

[real prairie]

the cheapest regional for me was this weekend, but alas

[chrome knot]

like im on the opposite side of the world it feels from Vancouver

[real prairie]

the other ones fall on school holidays.... which means flight costs 10x

[mint void]

RIP NA peeps

[azure ether]

better than being a mickey mouse region, amirite

[real prairie]

anyone got a fresh start mochi? cba to deal with berries

[azure ether]

how many do ya need?

[real prairie]

1

[azure ether]

meet you at code 1208

[charred saddle]

for future case i think its better to deal with trades in DMs

[mint void]

w/e

[azure ether]

it's not that high value of a trade

[mint void]

like its not the trading chat but thats so minor

[real prairie]

noted, will do next time

[real prairie]

tbf its for a competitive reason 😉

[mint void]

yeah nobody cares ngl

[real prairie]

Touche

[mint void]

just do it here like why not?

[azure ether]

nobody's sniping a mochi

[charred saddle]

[mint void]

i think u are getting me wrong rn

[real prairie]

i get you, its not actually causing an issue like

[chrome knot]

me

[mint void]

that could be read as mad disrespectful ngl

[azure ether]

huh different colors of Minior add dex entries

[tawdry quail]

can somebody help me get into competitive pokemon please

[mint void]

thats what this is for in a way

[tawdry quail]

ok thank you

im trying to build a team but i dont know where to start

[mint void]

what do you haev

[real prairie]

maybe start taking a look at the pinned resources

[tawdry quail]

I was thinking about using pokemon like kyorge or garchomp because they do have some competitve viablilty

[mint void]

So the current format allows for restricted Pokemon. Which Kyogre is 1

You cna only have one though so you should pick on that feels good for you

[azure ether]

good time to take another student

[mint void]

Garchomp has about no viablity right now. Move pool is too mid for this format

Same for the speed

[tawdry quail]

i know that i can only have one an i think kyogre is good for me

[azure ether]

Garchomp isn't good right now so you'll have to sit it out

[tawdry quail]

ok ill sit garchomp out

[real prairie]

haha you are enough

[azure ether]

you can scour through the vgc pastes repository and see Kyogre teams that would catch your interest

[mint void]

^

[tawdry quail]

ok thank you

[mint void]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1axlwmzPA49rYkqXh7zHvAtSP-TKbM0ijGYBPRflLSWw/edit#gid=418553327

[real prairie]

is my team on there, i never actually added it

[mint void]

idk sir

[solid frigate]

i dont even bother on putting my team here

[azure ether]

try playing on Showdown first too before you make the team(s) on the actual cartridge

[mint void]

Maybe cause James?

its not on there tho? or am i missing sth

[tawdry quail]

thank you this helps a lot

[mint void]

check pins for more resources if you need anything or just ask here

[real prairie]

there is a fling weakness policy salac berry team

thats a cool niche

https://pokepast.es/12924f1da3f0dd23

[tawdry quail]

ok sure

[chrome knot]

https://pokepast.es/1674f20e7a29a68e wondering if this is anything real

[real prairie]

looks like it could work

[azure ether]

I thought this was SwSh format for a second

[chrome knot]

zacian becomes not a fraud in 2 restricted i feel

[azure ether]

what's the play into Mir + horse?

[mint void]

FF

[real prairie]

resetting for feathers is jarring

[real prairie]

this seems like a very offensive set for you compared to what ive seen before

[chrome knot]

zacian is faster…

and hits both of them insanely hard

next to pao you prob can clear the board😭

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 888: Zacian-Crowned

Types

Fairy/Steel

Abilities

Intrepid Sword

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

92/150/115/80/115/148

Total

700

Base Species

Zacian

Sableye version 4.28.1

[chrome knot]

mirai is 135

[azure ether]

huh 2 pts slower than CSR

[chrome knot]

max @ 205

mirai horse made me think cir lmao

[azure ether]

can be either, I suppose

[real prairie]

tera normal Zacian incoming lol

[chrome knot]

be gay do crime team

[real prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/oskar-ordbogen-confused-emoji-confused-dog-doggy-gif-807366912498891515

[chrome knot]

i think this team has many flexible leads into csr miraidon

[real prairie]

and some safe switches incase of bad leads

[chrome knot]

exactly

so i not rly worriedddd

[real prairie]

think ill stick with scarf Kyogre in double restricted and add a psyspam mode dropping Tsareena

CSR + Kyogre maybe

[azure ether]

how about Lunala?

[real prairie]

probably need a phsyical attacker: https://pokepast.es/32057d7957580f74

[tiny karma]

Filters

• Has the ability Swift Swim

Results (28)

Psyduck, Golduck, Poliwag, Poliwhirl, Poliwrath, Horsea, Magikarp, Qwilfish, Qwilfish-Hisui, Kingdra, Lotad, Lombre, Ludicolo, Surskit, Feebas, Luvdisc, Buizel, Floatzel, Finneon, Lumineon, Beartic, Chewtle, Drednaw, Arrokuda, Barraskewda, Basculegion, Basculegion-F, Overqwil

Generation

gen9

Transferred Pokémon

Excluded

Sableye version 4.28.1

[azure ether]

Basc?

[real prairie]

id imagine Urshifu is probably a good final mon

[chrome knot]

ursaluna hisui

nvm this team is like uncomfortably fast

[azure ether]

I love how it's just gona be 2-2-2 with Urshifu

[chrome knot]

kinda how i feel adding whims when torn is very obviously better in the slot

[real prairie]

ive ran whims before, the fake tears could be worth it into resisted mons

id imagine see even less waterpon in double restricted

[tiny karma]

Calyrex-Shadow's moveset:

Physical Moves

Assurance, Body Press, Body Slam, Bulldoze, Bullet Seed, Crunch, Double Kick, Double-Edge, Facade, Foul Play, Giga Impact, Lash Out, Pay Day, Payback, Phantom Force, Pound, Psycho Cut, Seed Bomb, Solar Blade, Stomp, Stomping Tantrum, Tackle, Take Down, Thrash, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Astral Barrage, Confusion, Dark Pulse, Draining Kiss, Energy Ball, Expanding Force, Future Sight, Giga Drain, Grass Knot, Hex, Hyper Beam, Leaf Storm, Magical Leaf, Mega Drain, Mud Shot, Night Shade, Pollen Puff, Psybeam, Psychic, Psyshock, Round, Shadow Ball, Snarl, Snore, Solar Beam, Stored Power, Swift, Tera Blast, Tri Attack, Uproar

Status Moves

Agility, Ally Switch, Aromatherapy, Baton Pass, Calm Mind, Confuse Ray, Curse, Disable, Encore, Endure, Grassy Terrain, Gravity, Growth, Guard Swap, Haze, Heal Pulse, Helping Hand, Imprison, Leech Seed, Life Dew, Light Screen, Magic Room, Metronome, Nasty Plot, Pain Split, Power Swap, Protect, Psych Up, Psychic Terrain, Reflect, Rest, Safeguard, Scary Face, Skill Swap, Sleep Talk, Speed Swap, Substitute, Sunny Day, Tail Whip, Taunt, Trick, Trick Room, Will-O-Wisp, Wonder Room

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Calyrex-Shadow.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[chrome knot]

encore lightscreen

[real prairie]

meh, i like fake tears

[chrome knot]

i got 1 special attacker

[real prairie]

Oh thought you meant on what i just made haha

no light screen makes more sense for you

also you have 2, with Kyogre + Lando

[chrome knot]

https://pokepast.es/d6390892767cbf5f

[real prairie]

but yeah

[chrome knot]

i have 1 special attacker

[real prairie]

oh you dropped lando

drop AJet for Coaching? for Zacian

[chrome knot]

no

i drop cc for jet on teams there is no world where im using an ursh that cant prio

[real prairie]

CC for coaching then lol

[chrome knot]

still no xd

coaching bad on ursh good if valiant

[real prairie]

🤷‍♂️ fair enough

[chrome knot]

[real prairie]

you use that little cutie so much im expecting a cosplay in the future lol

[foggy lodge]

https://youtu.be/plqtPoQ0iC8?si=cZt1Ycl3NOO_RIMP

[chrome knot]

wHAT

[real prairie]

WE FINALLY GET TO SEE IT!

ima watch it without the commentary lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYaPLFK2HUg&ab_channel=DaWoblefet

[azure ether]

is Zama bad without Pao?

[real prairie]

its better with pai

pao*

[azure ether]

because I'm trying to cook as well

[mint void]

im still trying to cook for GC

rn its on like min heat cause I have no idea wtf Im gonna do

[foggy lodge]

Nah

But its one of its best partners

But it can work without it

[foggy lodge]

Yeah slot pao lol