competitive_discussion

[fluid fiber]

Ty, If I get walled I'll be reavaluating Riolu, Lillikoal, etc

[gentle crag]

keonespirit has given 1 Gen Rep to eriksp

[next stump]

i think it was under explored in lower power formats

but it’s really tough to justify using a prankster support pokémon without tailwind

i can’t imagine a team it fits better on than tornadus or whimsicott

[foggy lodge]

https://pokepast.es/885e1e46f7760127

This team got top 4 at bologna with it

But I think it was more a meta call for the tournament

[craggy dagger]

0- SpA Calyrex-Ice Grass Knot (120 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Kyogre: 56-66 (27 - 31.8%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
that’s decently good

[foggy lodge]

Bologna was full of CSR so yeah you have prankster eerie impulse and boom

[craggy dagger]

gimme the spread though

[foggy lodge]

But the prankster taunt/eerie impulse + electric coverage can fill a niche in some teams

[chrome knot]

im boutta puke

[craggy dagger]

whyyyy

oh
lmao
um
ignore that

[chrome knot]

LOL

[left bobcat]

lol

[rustic mountain]

w/ all the anti priority floating around thundurus is a feelsbadman mon

any viable prankster mon has the ability to atleast do other stuff like set tw as u mentioned or even screens whereas thundurus ur just screwed

[chrome knot]

whimsicott wednesday

[rustic mountain]

[cyan smelt]

Sableye sunday

[craggy dagger]

Tornadus Tuesday

[rustic mountain]

grimmsnarl.......

[chrome knot]

lurantis lundi

[shadow wind]

No not French!

Don’t take me back to French classes

Pain and torture

[rustic mountain]

[noble hatch]

no, off to french class for you

[shadow wind]

You can’t make me

I actively refuse

[rustic mountain]

[regal latch]

If I have a lvl 100 Arcanine with 226 speed, at lvl 50 it would be 123 correct?

[shadow wind]

Depends on the nature

[regal latch]

If the nature stays the same.

[shadow wind]

I think it changes if it’s a boosting nature or not

[regal latch]

Non-boosting

[foggy lodge]

Idk but you can always check on showdown

[shadow wind]

Because Flutter mane will be 205 speed at max at level 50 but 405 speed at max at level 100

So it isn’t double but I think yeah it would just half without a boosting nature

[foggy lodge]

I also recommend tracking your evs with showdown

[shadow wind]

Also half of 226 is 113

[foggy lodge]

Like to make sure they are the same from what you use in showdown vs what it currently is on cart

[solid frigate]

math is not mathing

[regal latch]

I’m trying to make my Arcanine outspeed certain stuff. Any recommendations?

[noble hatch]

Use extreme speed, outspeed everything

[regal latch]

So just go max HP/ATK investment?

[noble hatch]

technically an option but i was kinda joking

[shadow wind]

If it’s singles I used to rip a curse espeed set

[noble hatch]

if you are just gonna do an extreme speed spot i reccomend looking at your team and deciding who best fits that role

[regal latch]

WoW
Espeed
Flare blitz
Protect

Intimidate

[compact harbor]

hello?

[unkempt chasm]

Hi

Tested my team today in showdown, it has been hell to learn by the way. Any suggestions on inproving it? Frankly I'm lost, and the team only wins about 50% or less.
Lando I/Kyogre/Ogerpon stone/bolt/flutter/ursh water

[mighty stump]

Send a paste.

[foggy lodge]

Does anyone happens to have an ev spread for mystic water swords dance shifu lol

It's for this team https://pokepast.es/d31454b57bde1bf1

I can optimize the Volca too

[unkempt chasm]

Appreciate any analysis

[unkempt chasm]

I could suggest a couple spreads. Very standard always for shifu is 252 speed 252 attack adamant nature. I bet there are other things you could do with a sword dance style one though. Like for example I'm reading now the base defense of Ursh is 100 so you could do something like 252 hp 252 defense, and make it a bulky setup.

[foggy lodge]

Timid is -atk nature

[unkempt chasm]

Oh well + speed is what I meant

[foggy lodge]

And no 252 HP 252 Def doesn't work I can't have swords dance all the time and I still need to outspeed some things

[unkempt chasm]

Oh ok. Well I tried =p

[azure ether]

you have setup with no real way to make it reliably happen

CM Scarf?

why are you running scarf on a setup set?

[unkempt chasm]

not really relevant, but changed all that.

If the team needs more forced distraction maybe amoonguss?

[charred saddle]

also the whole team screams and cries against amoonguss/grass mons

i mean yeah u got sludge bomb lando, but its groudn tera

idk how ur going to achieve with the team actually

almost no protects as well in the whole team

also choice specs protect flutter

poison on kyogre is kinda a weird choice, usually its grass tera to avoid amoonguss spore/rage powder

fighting tera shifu is also weird

[unkempt chasm]

Well changed lando to poison
Changed kyogre to coverage tera electric
Changed protect to momento bc why not for now
-Just have not picked good tera types yet, no big deal.

[charred saddle]

usually shifu with uturns are choice scarf/band

not having prio pressure for the common set is eh

[unkempt chasm]

The risk is ursh is pretty fast, and can take a hit

[charred saddle]

what

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 892: Urshifu-Rapid-Strike

Types

Fighting/Water

Abilities

Unseen Fist

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/130/100/63/60/97

Total

550

Base Species

Urshifu

Sableye version 4.28.1

[charred saddle]

97 is not pretty fast especially u dont have speed control

[unkempt chasm]

I mean speed invested with speed nature is all

[charred saddle]

ok well icy wind on flutter but ur specs, not speed booster

speed invested + speed nature =/= fast

ur still not outspeeding most common speedy controls

[craggy dagger]

leo

[charred saddle]

ur like trying to piece every little bit of here and there

torn kyogre is one of the most nice pairing

bleakwind no miss on rain
helps against amoonguss/grass mons

Tailwind

also tornshifu lead

idk the team mons pairing itself feels weird

but i mean if u still wanna try it go ahead, its just my opinion

[unkempt chasm]

what was all that slang? Quite confused tbh
'bleakwind'
'tornshifu'
no miss no rain is obvious I guess. Still cant get a water spout off if I try it to save my life.

[charred saddle]

bleakwind storm is a move

tornshifu = tornadus urshifu

very strong lead

tailwind + water tera surging

or even like have shifu on the back

comes in rain + TW

[unkempt chasm]

I played against a tailwind tornadus that had protect earlier and was very annoying

[charred saddle]

well duh

[unkempt chasm]

It still lost to bolt

[charred saddle]

u dont have any speed control

and duh its a support and loses heavily on bolt MU

but the point of torn isnt like boom dmg and wins

[twin kindle]

actually bleakwind storm is a stay 🙄 get it right!!

[unkempt chasm]

I mean they lost the match, and tornadus was a panic protector that ended up failing the entire team

[charred saddle]

anyway, gave my opinion/analysis on how u wanted

so time for me to

[twin kindle]

Wow…am I that scary..

[unkempt chasm]

Guess so

how to ty nasi kecil

[charred saddle]

no im just uhh grinding HSR

[twin kindle]

Wise choice >:3 I’m violent actually

[charred saddle]

no need

[twin kindle]

Thank you

[gentle crag]

stellalunita has given 1 Gen Rep to abused1

[twin kindle]

Leo need laugh track

[unkempt chasm]

Oh you just reply

[twin kindle]

I think I too tired for human interaction

[unkempt chasm]

I mean I changed everything they mentioned so far, but idk should I putt tornadus in my team, and who would I sacrifice because that loss of another member is huge

[twin kindle]

Torn is good for hyper offensive teams

Do you wanna play defensive or offensive

[unkempt chasm]

My team is semi hyper offensive with two cm users

though no way to get cm off

[twin kindle]

I always love using redirect set up with tailwind in the back

Like nasty plot csr, clefairy, whims

[strange fjord]

vgc slang is goofy. Imagine saying "My MU with CSR is reliant on my bolt positioning. I can handle most HO teams but struggle with balance CIR." irl bruh

[twin kindle]

Yes cir…

Are you csrious…

[strange fjord]

https://i.redd.it/d5ns909h2okb1.gif

[unkempt chasm]

got to 1150 in showdown, first time playing and with this team. Just need to make it better

[twin kindle]

Good luck c:

[strange fjord]

keep at it! remember to keep in mind what your end game should be looking like and what you need to do to get it there. Good piloting with a team can help cover some shortcomings of a team!

[twin kindle]

You got this, enjoy the learning process-

Elo is just a number

[strange fjord]

dont focus too much on elo. it can get to your head. (overconfident/fear of losing elo)

[unkempt chasm]

Ty!

[gentle crag]

m4st3rtaz has given 1 Gen Rep to stellalunita

[fluid prism]

Still more fair than a average game with calyrex shadow

If only marshadow stayed in gen 9, this horse would never be a problem

[astral kelp]

wth is happpening here

[next stump]

good morning people

[alpine lily]

Good morning

[buoyant raft]

can someone give me analysis on this team i just made Incineroar @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 76 Atk / 180 SpD
Careful Nature

• Fake Out
• Parting Shot
• Flare Blitz
• Snarl

Garchomp @ Clear Amulet
Ability: Rough Skin
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Earth Power
• Dragon Claw
• Swords Dance
• Protect

Rillaboom @ Assault Vest
Ability: Grassy Surge
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature

• Grassy Glide
• Fake Out
• Wood Hammer
• U-turn

Flutter Mane @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Moonblast
• Shadow Ball
• Icy Wind
• Protect

Solgaleo @ Weakness Policy
Ability: Full Metal Body
Level: 50
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 236 HP / 252 Atk / 20 Spe
Adamant Nature
IVs: 20 Spe

• Sunsteel Strike
• Psychic Fangs
• Earthquake
• Protect

Torkoal @ Charcoal
Ability: Drought
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Eruption
• Heat Wave
• Solar Beam
• Protect

[next stump]

can you send the pokepaste link itself?

[silver zenith]

Is swampert, flutter mane, chien pao a decent singles team? I don’t know anything abt competitive tbh but was thinking of running swampert as a stealth rock lead

[buoyant raft]

https://pokepast.es/0a002c8458ebc4ad

[next stump]

unfortunately not many people play single battles, so it'll be tough to get good quality advice

what I will say is that the current ruleset allows for you to use a "restricted" (think like box cover of a game) legendary pokemon. If you don't use one, you're immediately at a disadvantage

[silver zenith]

Dang

I have eternatus lol

[astral kelp]

ive been trying to cook eternatus lately

such a cool looking dood

[silver zenith]

I have the shiny one from the event and I’d love to use him

[astral kelp]

he feels so bad tho lmao

[silver zenith]

Isn’t he fast tho

[astral kelp]

its just damage wise

he also is slower than csr

[silver zenith]

130 base spd

[next stump]

I'm going to ignore EVs because that's another set of advice entirely

• Snarl Incineroar is pretty good in spots, but just keep track of how much you're clicking it and if you'd prefer Knock off. Knock Off is typically seen as generally more useful.

• Earth Power is a special move, run Stomping Tantrum

• Typically if you're running weakness policy, you want to have a way to proc it yourself. I've seen people use bulldoze before since it doesn't do too much damage and will lower your opponent's speed while maintaining your own. Also in general, Solgaleo is very weak compared to other legendaries. Just keep that in mind as you play.

• Torkoal is a complete misfit on this team. There's no pokemon with trick room and nothing that really benefits from the sun. I think you'd be better off finding another 6th pokemon here

[astral kelp]

ye likje ikr the stats look so good

but in practice idfk

[next stump]

have you seen the tinkaton eternatus teams

[astral kelp]

yes lmao

[buoyant raft]

am preety new to vgc so am just learning how things work so okay

[astral kelp]

this team SUCKS tho lol

[silver zenith]

I see the vision I think but I’m also slow so

[next stump]

no worries at all, it's a fun looking team but just keep those things in mind. Sometimes it's easier to start off with a more established team rather than building your own but I know a good amount of people really want to use their own stuff only

[astral kelp]

team building is really fun

[buoyant raft]

so what of the ev spread and do y know alternative pokemons i could replace based on the advice y gave

[silver zenith]

I just like breeding fr. Completely building up pokemon for no apparent reason or idea if it’s good fr or not

[astral kelp]

you could build for people like

im sure people would spend money for stuff like that lmao

[silver zenith]

Maybe 🤷‍♂️ rn I have a box full of pokemon I’ve built but don’t really use but I’m trying to get my wife into playing so at least I know 1 person I can beat 🤣

[astral kelp]

loooool

you could just make prebuilt teams

[next stump]

for EV spreads, I would use a website like munchstats.com . That will tell you what people commonly use. It's not worth doing your own EV spreads as a beginner because you don't know what to look for.

Two quick pieces of advice would be to add maybe Bulldoze to Garchomp (does like 35% to your own Solgaleo which is a lot..., so maybe another pokemon?)

And to replace Torkoal with something like Urshifu-Rapid

[cyan smelt]

people used entei for bulldoze in swsh

you could also use annihilape

[silver zenith]

Well I know incineroar will pretty much always be good so he’s next and I gotta build my landorus but like a quarter of my box are Pokémon from events like grimmsnarl, bronzong, arcanine, palafin

[astral kelp]

https://limitlessvgc.com/pokemon/

or are you looking for like stuff thats like consistently good?

[silver zenith]

That’s what I’m working on rn yeah. Even if I don’t use them now they might be useful later on or work really well in a certain team comp

[astral kelp]

i have the opposite thing
i love making teams but i have yet to build a single competitive pokemon lmao

[next stump]

keep in mind those are double battles/VGC usage rates

so if you're playing singles there are different meta pokemon

[astral kelp]

is incin broken in singles too?

never thought about it

[next stump]

not really

[silver zenith]

Anytime I ever play singles I seem to always see flutter mane

[azure ether]

man I feel bad for Solgaleo

it's like a better Metagross, except that it was released a few gens too late

[astral kelp]

solgaleo is such a doomer pokemon

imagine watching your sister accomplish so much and never do anything lmfao

[azure ether]

it did alright in SwSh as a dynamax option

[solid frigate]

Honse

[astral kelp]

should i try spice extract solgaleo lmao

[silver zenith]

Is game8 a reliable source for competitive building?

[astral kelp]

i recomend pikalytics or smogon

smogum? something like that likes singles

[silver zenith]

Smogon confusing tbh but I’ll try pikytics

[astral kelp]

its lowkey hilarious how necrozma dawn is just a worse csr

[silver zenith]

Or csr really just a better necrozma dawn? 🤔

[next stump]

what info are you looking for?

[silver zenith]

Anything regarding building Pokémon or team composition

I like building from the ground up vs using already built teams

I’d like to get into both doubles and singles

[next stump]

are you planning on playing in game single battles?

ah okay

https://www.munchstats.com/ - works for both doubles and singles, just make sure to select the right format on the left (it defaults to double battles)

[silver zenith]

Alright bet

[astral kelp]

yooo this is great

[next stump]

also might not apply to you at all, but if you ever want to play any in person events you should prioritize double battles over singles

since they dont have official single tournaments

[astral kelp]

wait i found a niesh for crozma

[silver zenith]

I wouldn’t play any in person tournaments tbh. Financially it’s not worth it for me

[astral kelp]

wait i found a niesh

but its so slow

[silver zenith]

Do you mean a niche?

[astral kelp]

yea i cannot spell lmao

idk it kinda sucks still tho like

taking 3/4 super effective doesnt really matter when everything is 4x effective LMAO

[silver zenith]

I have my necrozma fused w solgaleo rn

[astral kelp]

i think ive seen necrozma dawn before

[golden pecan]

Ok I'm on here now for the battle @agile cedar

[agile cedar]

ok

[astral kelp]

yea expanding force bot i think

like if you want to trick room and expanding force

i guess it would be better where trick room pokemon are really strong and you really want that psychic surge

actually nah i know why you shoudl use it

because necrozma looks sick as hell

[buoyant raft]

Dillow what's the website y got the pic from and do y think my team with the changes can also work in singles

[next stump]

the website of my latest screenshot is called labmaus

and no, singles and doubles are very very different

[golden pecan]

Gg

[astral kelp]

how do i check for protosynthesis btw

im tryna find out if tera steel tera blast can one shot csr lol

with tera fairy

[next stump]

https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/

try this site

[golden pecan]

Going now bye

Left the group anyway

[agile cedar]

ok bye

[astral kelp]

252+ SpA 30 IV Protosynthesis Tera-Steel Flutter Mane Tera Blast vs. 180 HP / 4 SpD Tera-Fairy Calyrex-Shadow Rider: 200-236 (101 - 119.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

maybe lmao

barely wont outspeed tho

wait i have an ida

252+ SpA 30 IV Protosynthesis Tera-Stellar Flutter Mane Tera Blast (100 BP) (1st Use) vs. 180 HP / 4 SpD Tera-Fairy Calyrex-Shadow Rider: 200-236 (101 - 119.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

why is this the same am i missing something

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2320843539

THIS GUYS RUNNING FAKE TRICK ROOM OMG THE SHOCK

[slim urchin]

What do yall think the best EV spread for farigraf is? Im using him as a trick room setter

[next stump]

252HP/156DEF/100SpD with a bold nature is what I'd start with

[left bobcat]

DEF

[real prairie]

Pokémon got a time skip 😱

[left bobcat]

GASP

[mint void]

Context

[real prairie]

https://youtu.be/cmR_F6RRJu0?si=W4zyom13P4E_-qv2

Horizons anime getting a time skip so characters going to be 16 and megas are back

[next stump]

https://x.com/vgcdata/status/1901265013723062448?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfszOAZ6w

VGC Data (@VGCdata) on X

🧑‍🍳💡 Take a look at some of the most creative and unusual teams from Vancouver and Fortaleza Regionals!

X · Mar 16, 2025, 1:31 PM

[astral kelp]

Bros build like an ice cream cone

[real prairie]

Still no ludi

[left bobcat]

I choose me I’m sorry

[civic sleet]

guys whats a good build for perchaunt in competitive? is it better in doubles than singles?

[next stump]

mythicals are banned in double battles

[mint void]

Stall for Smogon shit probs. Qrong place to ask tho ngl.
Mostly cart rulesets played here and there mostly doubles

[civic sleet]

hmm alr

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/70367fa1de3b886e

Dillon hows this team i made?

[next stump]

looks fun to play, have you tried it out

[foggy lodge]

Miraidon Amoonguss top 8😭

[solid frigate]

just trying

i think it has potential

and it allows more stronger offensive plays imo

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2320992974

@next stump here's one of my replays

[real prairie]

@solid frigate enjoy tonight young gun! Celebrate it, drink it in, well fucking done! ⚽♥️

[solid frigate]

wha-

[real prairie]

You just won the cup 🤣

[solid frigate]

lol i don't watch football its just my hoodie is from Newcastle lmao

but good for them

[real prairie]

Haha well then

[dense latch]

first time they win a trophy since 1969 lmao

happy for them

[austere sun]

Anyone got a good comp set for skeliderge?

[dense latch]

it’s the carabao but a trophy is a trophy

[real prairie]

That's why I was trying to be happy for @solid frigate but turns out he's a plastic 🤣 oh well

[dense latch]

https://x.com/vgcvictoryroad/status/1901342660352180297?s=46 arubega mirror in finals

Victory Road VGC (@VGCVictoryRoad) on X

It's time for the FINALS of the VR March Challenge! 🏆

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X · Mar 16, 2025, 6:39 PM

world champ vs THE arubega lmao

[next stump]

arubega miraidon gotta be the best team out of this generation so far

what else is even in contention

[dense latch]

yeah it’s not even close

[solid frigate]

Tang Team CIR but thats it and it still not the best

[dense latch]

maybe marco silva’s worlds team

tbf that’s legit just the top 5 most used mons and one of the most used restricteds

[foggy lodge]

Oh god

Arubega vs Shohei

[next stump]

https://pokepast.es/406fa444afbac667

[solid frigate]

there's a reason why i don't really want to use Arubega and come up something new

[next stump]

this team was pretty sick

and strong for a while

[foggy lodge]

Does erizabeth play this tournaments?

Arubega vs Erizabeth would be fire

[solid frigate]

Palabalance moment

[next stump]

does erizabeth do any OTS?

[dense latch]

when’s the last time a team has lasted this long being this dominant

maybe like chalk way back in the day

[solid frigate]

Chalk?

[dense latch]

rinya sun maybe?

but even chalk didn’t have a set six

[solid frigate]

yeah Chalk is the one of the 2 teams that the OG version won worlds (there are multipler alternatives)

[dense latch]

the focus energy firepon adaptation is cool

[foggy lodge]

I don't like focus energy idk

[solid frigate]

Ivy Cudgel Crit moment

[foggy lodge]

I get why but

Wood Hammer felt necessary when I tried arubega Mirai

[mint void]

Willo torchsong

[next stump]

looking back at SWSH results and kyogre/zacian had a crazy run

[dense latch]

yea from what i’ve seen rinya sun was made to hard counter it just because of how dominant it was

[gentle crag]

eriksp has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[dense latch]

then that team got really strong

i followed the comp scene during that time but didn’t play much if at all, all i heard was rinya sun rinya sun rinya sun

[next stump]

https://x.com/aapokemon793/status/1901340722344714346?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfszOAZ6w

Aapo (@AaPokemon793) on X

Finished Top 8 in @VGCVictoryRoad March Challenge. Scarf Miraidon and Tera Fairy Play Rough Iron Hands felt very strong

X · Mar 16, 2025, 6:32 PM

[foggy lodge]

Thanks I hate that team

[dense latch]

today i learned iron hands gets play rough lol

[chrome knot]

won local, +$80 yay

i hate playing this team tho ngl i need more oomf that isnt so relied on csr doing ALL the damage

[left bobcat]

SCHYEAHHHHHHHHH

Congrats

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/UB_SLOW/status/1901226891350327608

ゆず (@UB_SLOW) on X

第1回ブルーベリーコロシアム優勝🫐🫐
Newミライドン構築強かった！！

X · Mar 16, 2025, 10:59 AM

Huhhhhh

[solid frigate]

trusting YouTubers my ass where’s Shadow Rider Calyrex

[mint void]

I htink thats probably smogon none uber

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 292: Shedinja

Types

Bug/Ghost

Abilities

Wonder Guard

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

1/90/45/30/30/40

Total

236

Sableye version 4.28.1

[atomic mural]

tera electric air balloon

[solid frigate]

then why Zacian is here

+Its fastest Pokemon by Speed stat so where is calyrex

unless you refer to something else

[atomic mural]

electrode is the same speed stat so maybe thats why

[dense latch]

i saw the video, that screen shows up for less than a second i wouldn’t sweat it much

[solid frigate]

i was just joking about that since CSR is in my Trauma system

[tiny karma]

Ability: Neutralizing Gas

While this Pokemon is active, Abilities have no effect. This Ability activates before hazards and other Abilities take effect. Does not affect the As One, Battle Bond, Comatose, Disguise, Gulp Missile, Ice Face, Multitype, Neutralizing Gas, Power Construct, RKS System, Schooling, Shields Down, Stance Change, Tera Shift, Zen Mode, or Zero to Hero Abilities.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[dense latch]

csr was banned from ubers so maybe they just didnt include it there for some reason

[solid frigate]

its not even about Competitive

its about Speed on Dex vs Stats

[dense latch]

yea idk why they didnt include it im just making up stuff now lmao

[solid frigate]

calyrex moment

[dense latch]

maybe to try and forget that it exists

which is kinda based

[craggy dagger]

that’s uber i thinks
calydow is AG

what’s a good raging bolt replacement .-,

[dense latch]

what’s your team?

[solid frigate]

Thats not even about comp

[craggy dagger]

i don’t think that video is about comp though
deoxys is in there

last i checked
deoxys was banned in vgc

[atomic mural]

bro im in this tournament and i fought this focus sash csr that was slower than my koraidon

[solid frigate]

yeah thats why i like

Where is the actual list

[solid frigate]

ok there’s someone who use wrong item on Bulky Caly

[craggy dagger]

for vgc i’m pretty sure it’s eleki calydow = electrode

zac pult

then uncrowned zama/zac

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 888: Zacian

Type

Fairy

Abilities

Intrepid Sword

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

92/120/115/80/115/138

Total

660

Other Formes

Zacian-Crowned

Sableye version 4.28.1

[craggy dagger]

base 138 on both uncrowned forms yeah

[atomic mural]

why does zacian get faster

[craggy dagger]

200, 150, 148, 142, 138

[craggy dagger]

offensive combat styles get faster i guess

[atomic mural]

honestly it needs it this format

[foggy lodge]

More aerodynamic

[craggy dagger]

while defensive styles are slower

[ornate bridge]

is deoxys speed not 180?

[craggy dagger]

but wouldn’t the metal be holding it down so it would cancel out

[atomic mural]

it is just not vgc usable

[dense latch]

yea but latte specified for vgc

[craggy dagger]

in vgc it’s not allowed so mnope
buttt
for AG or ubers im pretty sure yeah

[dense latch]

wish zacian didn’t get both nerfs but rather just the nerf to the ability or base stats

the falloff was sad despite how busted it was

[atomic mural]

bro what

[mint void]

can u consider that a bad move pool?

[chrome knot]

@craggy dagger

[dense latch]

it fits the criteria they set at the beginning ig

[chrome knot]

i wanna play cm ogre novaaaaa

[dense latch]

chi yu doesnt have much coverage aside from stab

but it’s still rly good bc it doesn’t need the coverage

[craggy dagger]

that’s outside my knowledge

[mint void]

Purely offensive sure. But the overall move pool is solid

[foggy lodge]

Chi-Yu needs to not be blind

[mint void]

decent status. Utility and offensive power

[foggy lodge]

Imagine fiery dance Chi-Yu

Cmon game freak do it

[dense latch]

what if i dont wanna imagine that

[tiny karma]

Move: Fiery Dance

Has a 50% chance to raise the user's Special Attack by 1 stage.

Type

Fire

Category

Special

Power

80

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Dance

Triggers Dancer.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[atomic mural]

i thought it was 90 % accurate

[foggy lodge]

It is not 🙂

[atomic mural]

yeah fiery dance chi yu would be insane

[foggy lodge]

I'm trying Joey's Miraidon Volcarona team and fiery dance is nuts

[ornate bridge]

"imagine they gave miraidon tail glow, its tail is already glowing anyway"

[solid frigate]

Kyogre+Moon moment

[chrome knot]

yeah that’s my builder rn lmao

kyogre fwg amoonguss rm

[solid frigate]

yeah solid start

[polar canyon]

As in those + fwg or are those part of the fwg

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2321108783

i love this team i made

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2321111780

[chrome knot]

kyogre incin rilla ursh fungus moon

[chrome knot]

dunno i just running out of fun stuff for the format

[solid frigate]

i mean i just try experimenting non arubega Miraidon teams idea

[chrome knot]

me personally i like things that ik work

[solid frigate]

My dumbass:Iron Crown

[noble hatch]

i like to cook, rn i might have found a way to make koraidon competitive

[dense latch]

koraidon’s a great pokemon though?

[solid frigate]

Koraidon already won a international tour wdym-

[noble hatch]

shhhh, no he's totally weak rn

[dense latch]

lmaoo

[noble hatch]

see? you get it

[solid frigate]

bruh moment

[rustic sail]

Anyone have comp tips for Scrafty ???

[chrome knot]

dont use it

[latent leaf]

Comp tips for rayquaza

[rustic sail]

Why not ??? Its awesome

[rustic sail]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-movie-legendary-mega-rayquaza-sky-gif-5741792

[next stump]

it’s pretty bad in the current meta, but if you’re really really wanting to use it

[tiny karma]

Scrafty's moveset:

Physical Moves

Assurance, Beat Up, Body Slam, Brick Break, Chip Away, Close Combat, Counter, Crunch, Dig, Double-Edge, Dragon Claw, Dragon Tail, Drain Punch, Dual Chop, Endeavor, Facade, Fake Out, Feint Attack, Fire Punch, Fling, Focus Punch, Foul Play, Frustration, Giga Impact, Head Smash, Headbutt, High Jump Kick, Ice Punch, Iron Head, Iron Tail, Knock Off, Lash Out, Low Kick, Low Sweep, Mega Kick, Mega Punch, Outrage, Payback, Poison Jab, Power-Up Punch, Retaliate, Return, Revenge, Reversal, Rock Climb, Rock Slide, Rock Smash, Rock Tomb, Secret Power, Smack Down, Stone Edge, Strength, Super Fang, Take Down, Thief, Throat Chop, Thunder Punch, Trailblaze, Upper Hand, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Acid Spray, Dark Pulse, Dragon Pulse, Focus Blast, Grass Knot, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Incinerate, Round, Sludge Bomb, Snarl, Snore, Tera Blast, Uproar

Status Moves

Amnesia, Attract, Bulk Up, Coaching, Confide, Curse, Detect, Double Team, Dragon Dance, Encore, Endure, Fake Tears, Helping Hand, Iron Defense, Leer, Metronome, Protect, Quick Guard, Rain Dance, Rest, Roar, Sand Attack, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Snatch, Spite, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Swords Dance, Taunt, Torment, Toxic, Work Up

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Scrafty.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[next stump]

I’d do intimidate + fake out/close combat/knock off/4th coverage move

maybe assault vest

[rustic sail]

Hmmm and for a Dragon Dance set ???

[chrome knot]

dillon i think im in my cm ogre era till the end of the reg, csr & cir lost its touch for m😔🤘

[next stump]

dragon dance scrafty makes me assume you’re talking about single battles

which i don’t play

so my advice won’t be helpful

[rustic sail]

Oh alright :3 i get that

[next stump]

respect 🙏 2 more weeks until new rules

[inland mirage]

I'm out of the competitive loop. Can I ask, who's more relevant (vgc or solos):

Porygon line or charcadet line?

[next stump]

one week of that for me is spring break so really wish they moved up the announcement for my practice hahaha

[chrome knot]

oop real asf

im worried for milwaukee tbh bc its like 85% chance a format ive never played

[next stump]

good question - neither are really relevant right now in doubles but i’d say overall, porygon has seen more play recently. Armarouge had a great run earlier on though and Ceruledge has seen play in spots

I think at least 60% of my regionals in the last two years have been the first regional of a format

it’s kinda fun but also i’m such a team thief

and i have to use online tourneys then

[inland mirage]

And this is due solely to porygon 2?

[chrome knot]

im a big team thief

[next stump]

yes, p2 with eviolite and trick room has been its main and really only set in gen 9

[inland mirage]

Perfect thank you for the detailed response

[opal inlet]

i remember when armarouge was popular with indeedee

[mint void]

For low power formats Porygon is great as a TR setter. Armarouge was played as a expanding force sweeper with a few different sets. Either in TR or TW with Power Herb Metor Beam, Life Orb or Weak Armor Weakness Policy

I used Ceru for a coaching based team

[inland mirage]

One more thing: the appleton lines (all evolutions) its pretty bad, right?

[mint void]

Hydrapple probably isnt that bad if you like gambling

[opal inlet]

gambling you say?

[mint void]

If it had a consistent strong move it would probably be really solid in TR in a lower power format.

[opal inlet]

maybe its time to return to vgc..,,

w my clodsire/chi yu team from reg c or d

[dense latch]

kyogre makes gambling fun

hydrapple makes gambling feel useless

[inland mirage]

I wanna shiny farm a mon from the current shiny event for competitive use. rn porygon is looking like the best mon.

[next stump]

porygon will get you the most mileage IMO, it’ll always be solid

[inland mirage]

Is porygon z pretty outclassed nowadays? I remember it being ok in solos

[dense latch]

porygon 2 is better than porygon z generally

they fulfill different roles but p2 is used more

[inland mirage]

Thank you all for the great advice!

[dense latch]

what are the options for the shiny event? not very up to date with those

[foggy lodge]

I think Porygon2 will be good for GS cup and no one mention the giraffe let me be happy for one time

[dense latch]

https://tenor.com/view/farigiraf-pokemon-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-cry-pokemon-cry-gif-27236296

[real prairie]

hi everyone 😄

[foggy lodge]

https://pokepast.es/b14a35875321ef80

This looks interesting

I wonder how regular mons will be played for reg I because

If you look at previous GS cup formats it was mostly like 2 restricteds + 4 supports or like half support team lol

[inland mirage]

Scyther, Porygon, Charcadet, apple are the bigs ones

[dense latch]

that’s from the limitless tour right?

[foggy lodge]

Yea

[inland mirage]

Are Galarian Slowbro/Slowking good in competive?

[dense latch]

p2 might be nice ngl

there’s one that got 3rd in swiss too

[foggy lodge]

Tho tbh I don't see the point of P2 in that team

Farigiraf seems better because yeah anti prio

[dense latch]

singles yes, doubles no

[foggy lodge]

For Miraidon comps I think Farigiraf will be better

[inland mirage]

ooo ok, which one is singles

[foggy lodge]

But for teams that struggle into like CSR, Lunala and Miraidon it could come to patch some things

[dense latch]

singles is an unofficial format played mostly on showdown

[inland mirage]

oh rip, what are sv singles?

[dense latch]

ig there’s the ranked ladder 3v3 singles

idk how competitive that is though

[solid frigate]

i just spore'd Amoonguss slot and i am fucked-

[real prairie]

ive hit a bit of a creative road block, ive been testing other kyogres and i can't really get on with them. calm mind kyogre was okay, was trying with sweet scent ludicolo to make sure origin pulses hit, but its just being slower than everything sucks 😅 You are slower in TW situations and in TR situations, really crappy middling speed tier.

[solid frigate]

i did a stupid misplay and that cost my game on CIR mirror

[forest arrow]

Interesting

[astral kelp]

whats gs cup?

[next stump]

double restricted

its an oldschool term

[astral kelp]

oh shit is that miraidon AND palkia

thats so weird do see ive only been playing since reg g

[dense latch]

double restricted has been the last format of a generation since gen 6

it looks like we’re getting two more sv worlds so idk how they’re gonna work it out there with the next formats

[astral kelp]

im just picturing how absolutely painful csr + miraidon would be

no way that double restricted formats are funj\

[left bobcat]

Otay

[astral kelp]

2 pokemons are automatic takes no matter what team you bring

[real prairie]

scarf miraidon being the regileki replacement is going to be PAIN

[astral kelp]

oh heeeel naw

[solid frigate]

Me with Miraidon Ogre:

[dense latch]

they’re less matchup heavy than single restricted usually

[astral kelp]

that makes sense

[dense latch]

like you can balance your restricteds’ weaknesses

[astral kelp]

idk i like the amount of options you get when starting at eam

[left bobcat]

Koraidon and shadow rider

[forest arrow]

Me with Korai Lunala:

[left bobcat]

Guhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[solid frigate]

Me with Miraidon Kyogre

[astral kelp]

like even in my kyurem a9 team sometimes it sbetter to just not bring a9

[real prairie]

not necisarily, it actualy gives you more variety, because you can feel comfortable leaving a restricted behind

[astral kelp]

why would you leave a restricted behind

[left bobcat]

Me with miraidon and Groudon

[astral kelp]

that feels weird

[real prairie]

because you can bring the other one

into the correct matchups

[astral kelp]

yea but you miss out on this broken piece of shit for example

[solid frigate]

Miraidon Kyogre is peak

[astral kelp]

oh wait you could bring csr and cir and have trick room and thailwind lmao

[astral kelp]

[real prairie]

no

both are "Calyrex"

dupe clause still exists

[astral kelp]

how tf did misspell tailwind that bad\

[strange fjord]

In a double restricted format, it isnt uncommon to leave a restricted behind when you choose 4

[astral kelp]

oh good

[solid frigate]

https://x.com/TorrentAegisVGC/status/1900614049626218705

Shameless Plugin aside,this is my first tier list on it

TorrentAegisVGC/Morris (@TorrentAegisVGC) on X

Double Restricted Format Tier List based on Individual Strengths and Weaknesses,since we don't have Meta Yet here's my speculation.
#PokemonVGC #Pokemon #RegulationI

X · Mar 14, 2025, 6:24 PM

[craggy dagger]

dusk mane > miraidon

[astral kelp]

it will be cool to see more trick room restricted

rn if youre playing trick room csr is auto bring

[craggy dagger]

ho oh and dusk mane deserve to be higher up

[solid frigate]

Nova Copium+Its my speculation so far

[real prairie]

Turtle > Zacian

[mint void]

guess Im doing content

[real prairie]

unless this is just a preference list

[solid frigate]

i already did lmao

[mint void]

I mean

[left bobcat]

I mean

[craggy dagger]

me copium
swsh had duskogre
it’s not copium

[mint void]

cause I wanna play Reshi

[solid frigate]

funny thing is the Best partner for Turtle is Zacian

[left bobcat]

I wanna play miraidon/groudon

[craggy dagger]

scarf miraidon

[astral kelp]

like it could be cool to bring cir and dusk

with indeedee

[left bobcat]

Calm mind parabolic charge with Groudon

[dense latch]

i don’t see pagos being very good in double restricted

[strange fjord]

tortle

[real prairie]

id argue maybe CIR, double bulk play

[left bobcat]

BRO IS GONNA GET COOKED

[dense latch]

there was only one terapagos in a 96 person gs cup tour today

[left bobcat]

pagos and shadow rider

[real prairie]

both can work in TR too

[astral kelp]

it makes sense turtle is kinda selfish right

[solid frigate]

its more mid but like whatever

I am testing a few pairs

Miraidon Kyogre,Miraidon CIR,Pagos Zacian,Dialga CIR

[strange fjord]

sometimes

[left bobcat]

What can I say ig terapagos is SHellfish

[astral kelp]

:)

:D

:(

[solid frigate]

ok good one actually lmao

[real prairie]

how many pons actually run max speed?

[strange fjord]

a good tortle player knows that you dont wanna click tera immediately after shell is broken. sometimes you need a different tera pokemon

[left bobcat]

In this day in age none

[solid frigate]

1 cuz Hearthflame now run Bulk set

[left bobcat]

Except for Rock pon

[solid frigate]

so only cornerstone

https://pokepast.es/70367fa1de3b886e

@real prairie i revamped my regional team now

[astral kelp]

man i kinda wish they brough reg h back

[left bobcat]

Flame and waw Tuh pon run more bulk

[real prairie]

cool cool, i dont need to really worry about firepon, its rock and water, Rock pon is such a bitch with its sturdy

[left bobcat]

The way I see it

Rock pon> fire pon> water pon

[solid frigate]

fair enough

[left bobcat]

Fire pon can obliterate anything

Even a 4x resisted Tera fire ivy cudgel in the sun with embody aspect takes it down to 50%

[solid frigate]

12 Atk Hearthflame Mask Ogerpon-Hearthflame Ivy Cudgel vs. 252 HP / 44 Def Rillaboom: 168-198 (81.1 - 95.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery

this happens

[real prairie]

very nice, still feels like missing a trick forcing yourself to not run psyspam booster crown, but if it works for you GG

[solid frigate]

it helps on me actually bringing Crown to matchups

[real prairie]

but guess dual terrain is a pain

[real prairie]

id run expanding force over psychic noise, that way if you come into opposition indeedee you can take advantage of it

[tiny karma]

Move: Psychic Noise

For 2 turns, the target is prevented from restoring any HP as long as it remains active. During the effect, healing and draining moves are unusable, and Abilities and items that grant healing will not heal the user. If an affected Pokemon uses Baton Pass, the replacement will remain unable to restore its HP. Pain Split and the Regenerator Ability are unaffected.

Type

Psychic

Category

Special

Power

75

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Authentic

Bypasses substitute.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sound

Does not affect Soundproof.

Sableye version 4.28.1

Move: Expanding Force

If the current terrain is Psychic Terrain and the user is grounded, this move hits all opposing Pokemon and has its power multiplied by 1.5.

Type

Psychic

Category

Special

Power

80

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[real prairie]

stronger even without terrain

[solid frigate]

i just like the heal block

also me trying to get away from Arubega Miraidon

[astral kelp]

question

[left bobcat]

Tbh water pon fell off

[astral kelp]

why would you run groudon over koraidon in double restricted?

[solid frigate]

Discharge Spam

[astral kelp]

i meant koraidon lol

[left bobcat]

Flutter

And bulkier

[astral kelp]

fluttermane?

[left bobcat]

Yes

[solid frigate]

and also Miraidon could use Groudon's Ground type for Discharge Spam

Able to win weather Wars better than Korai cuz Korai always lose Weather wars

its just the move problem but otherwise Groudon is fine

[left bobcat]

Koraidon has to Tera immediately/switch out once it sees flutter which the player may be a aware

Also Groudon has a spread move

[craggy dagger]

@solid frigate quick
name a bug type from hoenn

[left bobcat]

Even with meh accuracy just use gravity

[real prairie]

cascoon

[solid frigate]

volbeat? is that from Hoenn

[craggy dagger]

i thought that line was from sinnoh-
maybe im wrong

[real prairie]

yes

[solid frigate]

ok good my brain is still up

[craggy dagger]

oh it is from hoenn

yippeeee
tyyyy

[spiral ridge]

whats she planning now

[left bobcat]

Yes

[real prairie]

Showing my age lol

[astral kelp]

oh lol that sounds hilarious

[real prairie]

assuming shes doing pokedoku LOL

[astral kelp]

10/10

[craggy dagger]

pokedoku is fun

[spiral ridge]

ohhhh

[real prairie]

called it

[craggy dagger]

i couldnt rememberrrrrrr 😭

[spiral ridge]

i never got into it i dont got enough game knowledge 😭

[left bobcat]

I gambled today

[spiral ridge]

my ass would do top result every fuckign time

[left bobcat]

Money match on the line

[solid frigate]

idfk

Just like how i am planning this
https://x.com/TorrentAegisVGC/status/1900365140295393629

TorrentAegisVGC/Morris (@TorrentAegisVGC) on X

It's Finally Time....

Greninja is going to end my Regulation G experience with a Bang...

Rental Team and team report will be released after the third global challenge!
#Greninja #CalyrexIceRider #PokemonVGC #Pokemon #PokemonGlobalChallenge

X · Mar 14, 2025, 1:55 AM

[spiral ridge]

oh boy

[left bobcat]

I won by 1hp

[craggy dagger]

i just use what i know
and then also give myself a single "call a friend" just in case i dont know lol

[left bobcat]

I am now up $******

Which I gotta use for gas money

[spiral ridge]

i wanna get back on cart or showdown and play some games again
but the MH addiction still got a chokehold on me

[solid frigate]

yep

I am legit doing it.

for real this time.

[spiral ridge]

goodluckj

[mint void]

whats that

[spiral ridge]

i might do it more then
especially if school wifi dont block it and i get bored

[craggy dagger]

fair enough lol

monhun looks super fun

[mint void]

Im in Overwatch atm lol barely played SD recently

[spiral ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-hunter-palico-monster-hunter-rise-monster-hunter-world-mh-gif-25184238

[left bobcat]

What’s that

[mint void]

yeah was looking at it to but cba to spend big bucks on games rn

[spiral ridge]

monster hunter

[mint void]

whne Im only playing overwatch anyway

[left bobcat]

Is it hello kitty island adventure?

[solid frigate]

bro is addicted

[spiral ridge]

ive been grinding this whole weekend to show you more pretty armor sets i got at the end of it 😭
so far got two to show you

[craggy dagger]

to his defense
its a good game

[left bobcat]

Like how good?

[spiral ridge]

i fucking love it

[left bobcat]

OMG ITS FORTNITE

[solid frigate]

ik its good cuz i played that before in my friend's house few months before i migrate to UK

[spiral ridge]

chargeblade and great sword are so fucking fun

and they added gacha into this game

[mint void]

https://pokepast.es/720cc24e6ace058c

Is that horrible?

[left bobcat]

SCHYEAHHHH🔥

[shadow wind]

If it’s sun and Urshifu yeah

[mint void]

dont like fire water grass on this

[mint void]

ngl if Shifu then probably dark

[left bobcat]

What you need is FIRE AND DRAGON

SCHYEAHHHHHH🔥

[spiral ridge]

it is pain

[real prairie]

i really do just love blowing shit up https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2321205432

[mint void]

whats the AV?

Villa?

[left bobcat]

SCHYEAHHHHHHH🔥😫

[chrome knot]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2321207635-yq3k06xw9pecekbdgsylqpopkcaufcepw

kyogre is pretty fun yeah

[real prairie]

?

[left bobcat]

Whole lotta shotting

[mint void]

avjack

[real prairie]

Average lol

name of my youtube, Average Jack

[left bobcat]

Bullshit

[real prairie]

what stopped them collision coursing and blowing your shit up instead of switching out?

Regardless, well played!

the side burn was a nice touch to avoid having to tera grass

[chrome knot]

what turn xd

[real prairie]

turn 2 lol

[chrome knot]

what do if I also just switch to amoonguss

plus if I catch him and keep weather he jus loses immediately

[real prairie]

doubling into the kyogre slot seems safe, can always switch out to amoogus the turn after if you need to

koraidon doesn't seem threatened much having the speed advantage

but guess thats just my ultra offensive mentality lol

either way, its a GG to you, played it brilliantly

[chrome knot]

idk theres too many options that really validate korai swinging this turn

when many of them lead to auto losses

[craggy dagger]

wha?

[chrome knot]

its also cc korai

[real prairie]

either or, a double id imagine KO's Kyogre

both faster

CC+Moonblast

could be wrong

[chrome knot]

unsure, however I think thats quite risky to gamble on by t2 x)

[real prairie]

it intrigues me

HA-HA-HA https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2321217759-fcxxo511vw37md4xihgqvxuiut1mlhxpw

fuck yo calm mind!

[rustic mountain]

which cc

[dense latch]

oh no they rejected ots whatever shall i do

this team is just such a mystery

[rustic mountain]

yea

[foggy lodge]

Its gonna be trick room whimsicott with belly drum hands

[dense latch]

shit how did you know

[rustic mountain]

chalk it up to the game

[forest arrow]

Hmmm I wonder what his sets are

[rustic mountain]

ngl

it always annoys me wen ppl reject ots wen i dont even accept it myself

like no need to reject what wasnt even mentioned

[dense latch]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2321220082 just standard arubega unfort

[rustic mountain]

or the ppl that put on timer and are the ones using all of it

[dense latch]

i face ppl that insta reject ots like is it really that serious

[rustic mountain]

frfr

like just dont click either thats wat i do

[forest arrow]

Yess and the ones with timer but run the timer are so like

[dense latch]

like there's no reason to reject ots just dont click any button

[forest arrow]

Why

[dense latch]

same effect

[rustic mountain]

literally

[rustic mountain]

its insane i feel like asking did u put it on for urself? hahaha

[dense latch]

i have insta accept ots on bc i want both me and my opponent to know what options are in the table

[forest arrow]

Same bro lmaooo

[rustic mountain]

thats fine

if u have it on w/e but the ppl that specifically just reject outright make no sense

[dense latch]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9vgc2025regg-2321224222 playing room tour finals wth am i facing lol

[rustic mountain]

imma be mad if u lose

[dense latch]

yea same

[rustic mountain]

[forest arrow]

They’re scared you’ll see the sauce and share it with the world

[rustic mountain]

they really jus eq'd themselves

its joever

protect e web into e web glacial should do it

[dense latch]

i prob should've protected there yea

[rustic mountain]

oh he just went right for it lol

[rustic mountain]

yea u won, but def was more optimal tho w/ sash on leki

[dense latch]

i predicted them to predict the protect :))

[rustic mountain]

yea it worked out

u prolly couldve played it out a bunch of ways tbh

what was the 4th

[dense latch]

had farig in back so i would've been chilling

[rustic mountain]

bringing 3 cir weaks was awful

[dense latch]

we run it back

[dense latch]

they just decided to lose to glacial follow me turn 1 which was pretty funny

[chrome knot]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2321220383-wogrqeac99agb6dyftxmtaupewueda8pw

vs friend who day 2'd laic on ladder lolz

[rustic mountain]

yea like wat was the counterplay to glacial spam

[real prairie]

isn't that a setting in the menu you can enable?

[solid frigate]

idk why theyy reject OTS even if its like Arubega or Tang or Wolfe's team

[dense latch]

ik accepting is a setting idk if rejecting is

still that's some real hater behaviour

[rustic mountain]

nice

wat happened to csr

[chrome knot]

i got bored of it

[dense latch]

i wish i could switch restricteds like that

[chrome knot]

won $80 today realized that I just didnt have fun with how i had to play

[dense latch]

i've been stuck with the ice horse for the entire reg

[rustic mountain]

feel that, grats tho

[chrome knot]

ty!

like, nasty plot fake out, spore, follow me till dead, clefairy, follow me, follow me

like I was ready to go to bed 😭

[rustic mountain]

[chrome knot]

at least the nicknames are fun

[rustic mountain]

haha

nice

ive been liking kyogre but def a lot different team comp im running

[rustic mountain]

just switch

[solid frigate]

KOOPA CAPE MENTIONED

PEAK TRACK

[dense latch]

i guess it's not like i cant switch

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/mkw-mkwii-mario-kart-wii-mario-kart-mario-gif-16316958266621587135

[dense latch]

more like picking up a restricted and making it work for me decently quickly

[chrome knot]

why was shinx put there

i know whos clip this is LMFAO

[dense latch]

shinx ❤️

[solid frigate]

but still Koopa cape is PEAK

https://youtu.be/z7VjpNZSZZs?si=jzKySArTY2Le0ivT

Enjoy

[rustic mountain]

jus give urself time to get acclimated, theres tons of good teams out there from tours for other restricteds

[chrome knot]

what abt dks jungle parkway!!

[dense latch]

yea i really wanna go the route that some pros are going for where they try different cores to what they usually run to learn abt them

[rustic mountain]

nd who knows u might be better w/ another core in the long run or enjoy it more

[solid frigate]

thats also peak

[dense latch]

when i first got into gen 9 vgc i ran csr but didnt enjoy it at all

that might've been a skill issue though so it might be worth trying again

[chrome knot]

oh look at us @real prairie we get to match restricteds now

[rustic mountain]

either that or just try another restricted; miraidon, koraidon, kyogre are all strong, even lunala just won something but idt thats gna keep up

zamas solid but its kinda fallen off

same w/ terapagos

[dense latch]

that's a new one

[real prairie]

Some of those nicknames once again show my age lol

[real prairie]

Thanks?

[gentle crag]

oneofakindof has given 1 Gen Rep to eriksp

[real prairie]

Like "how dare you tell me to have fun"

You have fun!

[rustic mountain]

wheres the gl

[dense latch]

i dont wanna give away my luck :((

[rustic mountain]

take the luck, ill still win anyways and then i can flex

[foggy lodge]

i will never say glhf

[real prairie]

this is good enough right? 😅

52 SpA Life Orb Ludicolo Grass Knot (100 BP) vs. 44 HP / 156 SpD Urshifu-Rapid-Strike: 174-205 (96.1 - 113.2%) -- 75% chance to OHKO

[foggy lodge]

i don't want my opponent to get all crits

Miss all your precipice blades fuck you

[solid frigate]

@chrome knot MKWii moment

[rustic mountain]

damn yall some haters

[dense latch]

who can i talk about mkds with

[chrome knot]

@rustic mountain dyt having spdef amoonguss to have favourable rolls to live csr psychic is worth it on kyogre ? I dont rly wanna have to burn tera there if i dont have to

[dense latch]

im scared

[chrome knot]

ive calc'd it for the mean spatk stat

[solid frigate]

DIALGA my beloved

But smeargle? ew

[foggy lodge]

Is that iron ball Chi-Yu

I think its iron ball Chi-Yu

[rustic mountain]

if u think its something ud run into enough and the trade off of going farther into sp def and compromising def partially for other mus is worth it then yea

[chrome knot]

well for phys def there is incin obv

and its rocky helmet so idk its less than ideal to swing into amoonguss confidently

[rustic mountain]

test it out

u have switches for psychic so idt its absolutely necessarily but it depends on how that mu plays out generally and if that easily solidifies a board state that scales it in ur favor more

[chrome knot]

Median: 198 (100invest) 25%ohko
Interquartile Range: 193 - 213 (60 - 220invest) 12.5%ohko - 68.75%ohko
Mean: 202.65 (132invest) 37.5%ohko

yeah but sleeping csr for a small trade is like

insta win in some mus

obv im just playing with odds here but

& will lead to an infinite amount of variance in my games

[real prairie]

seems niche compared to needing to survive phsyical moves from TR mons

[rustic mountain]

its worth looking into but yea i think its tough if it winds up over complicating how u approach the mu. they already have to factor in u have 2 dark types and a chance of tera, or rilla being able to take it if it needs to

[chrome knot]

I think it adds a level of outplay tbh

knowing I can take a positive trade

of 90% of amoonguss for a sleeping csr

[rustic mountain]

see how it feels in practice

[chrome knot]

ofc

[rustic mountain]

im not saying its bad

[chrome knot]

just theorizing before testing

[rustic mountain]

just that it doesnt feel like u neccessarily have to either

is that a mu u feel is tough for the team?

[chrome knot]

on PAPER it should not

[rustic mountain]

yea

[chrome knot]

scarf ursh double dark is like

9/11 for csr players that dont have clef/smeargle

[rustic mountain]

yea

i cant imagine theyd have a fun time

[dense latch]

just got jumpscared by a scarf eruption groudon on ladder ama

[rustic mountain]

u didnt see cybertrons new vid?

[dense latch]

i did

i just wasn't expecting it to be that :(( also scarf instead of specs

[rustic mountain]

classic ladder experience

[dense latch]

i now remember why i stopped playing bo1

[chrome knot]

ig it also helps to deny as one boosts

live & be a little more annoying

so its harder to match calm minds

[solid frigate]

Ladder is just pain

I rather play and practice with people who is similar skill level like Drago and Monke or anyone in that calibur

[dense latch]

i need more people to run sets with lol i have one friend im constantly sharing ideas and labbing with but that's about it

[rustic mountain]

yoo imagine a ladder on champions for bo3

[foggy lodge]

the vision

[solid frigate]

not that a lot of people would try but cool idea

[rustic mountain]

u never know

[real prairie]

id imagine champions will get jarring to ladder on after awhile

[rustic mountain]

im tampering my expectations but it really does have such a high ceiling

[real prairie]

showdown works so well because its drawn back, its not overly elaborate and you dont have to sit through animations

[rustic mountain]

i prefer cart

i get wat u mean tho

[real prairie]

i prefer cart when im playing something serious, but for routine testing and team building, i can't see SD going anywhere without a C&D

[rustic mountain]

ngl if i could do wat i do on sd on cart to test stuff im choosing cart

doesnt mean thatll be everyone tho

[foggy lodge]

Bo3 is so cool but it also makes me feel mid lol like

I want to get really high on that ladder but I always get stuck around 1460 or there and balwuaidjwld

[real prairie]

i will too for the first month, because its new and shiny, but the convenience of SD will draw me back i think

[rustic mountain]

its very streamlined on sd so i get it

[foggy lodge]

I want to get to 1600 someday

[real prairie]

depends how simple the mobile UI is for Champions

[rustic mountain]

gta look at why ur getting stuck and improve on it

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

[rustic mountain]

whether its the teams ur gameplay ur approach to the game on a micro and macro level

[foggy lodge]

I started a new alt and I'm 8-0 rn

[rustic mountain]

nice

even just watching bo3 sets from top players and looking at how they approach and shift their choices from game to game

[foggy lodge]

I think that my worst problem is not knowing what to pick

[dense latch]

i always max out in that range and then plummet lol

i feel you

[rustic mountain]

thats a skill in and of itself and one that ur never going to get 100%

but u just work on identifying mus and what seems most consistent/make the most sense into what u think they r gna be bringing and planning around

its weighing wat u want to do and wat they want to do and finding the options that can best provide a balance between the 2

[dense latch]

i find it hard to find a step by step process for team preview

[rustic mountain]

its something that becomes 2nd nature after awhile

[dense latch]

i heavily rely on just remembering my lines into common teams

i cant make up team preview gameplans on the go and that's something i rly wanna improve on

[foggy lodge]

I also need to talk more with my local scene to practice

[rustic mountain]

u basically temporarily put urself in ur opponents mindset and think of wat theyd be picking into ur team or a common strat/ duo they might utilize and then u bring it back and think of wat ur most optimal approach would be into not only that but a combination of what their likely leads will be. u cant gameplan for a mu u cant 100% know wats being brought and in what order

[foggy lodge]

They could really help but I haven't go to the locals

There was one 2 days ago but I was tired after studying so I didn't go

[rustic mountain]

u just give urself a general idea of wat u need to do (hey this mon threatens my restricted i need to take it out asap if i can without taking a lopsided trade) or get this guy in position and i can just sweep/poke holes in their team. adapting on the fly is also something u need to be able to do because a lot of good players dont approach mus in a linear fashion to where u follow xyz path

[astral kelp]

is iron bundle just like

kind of a worse fluttermane

[rustic mountain]

iron bundle is

[astral kelp]

ice type fluttermane

[rustic mountain]

it just is

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 991: Iron Bundle

Types

Ice/Water

Abilities

Quark Drive

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

56/80/114/124/60/136

Total

570

Weight (Low Kick BP)

11kg (40 BP)

Height

0.6m

Introduced

Generation 9

Egg groups

Undiscovered

Gender Ratio

N/A: 100%

Color

Red

Sableye version 4.28.1

Pokémon No. 987: Flutter Mane

Types

Ghost/Fairy

Abilities

Protosynthesis

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

55/55/55/135/135/135

Total

570

Weight (Low Kick BP)

4kg (20 BP)

Height

1.4m

Introduced

Generation 9

Egg groups

Undiscovered

Gender Ratio

N/A: 100%

Color

Gray

Sableye version 4.28.1

[rustic mountain]

justice for bundle

[astral kelp]

whats even the point of giving a pokemon like that 80 atk

[rustic mountain]

u think gf optimizes every mons stat spread?

[dense latch]

i've seen enough

time to do some actual work now

[atomic mural]

joined a double restricted tourney for fun and got 13 out of 96 entrants

[rustic mountain]

nice

[foggy lodge]

How did the Maushold only take 44% from crit glacial

[astral kelp]

that mausehold immortal wtf

[rustic mountain]

i like how u circled corny like we couldnt tell it was u

[solid frigate]

Mid ass mon

Mid ass fucking mon.

[atomic mural]

well maybe it was too small to see

[rustic mountain]

[dense latch]

that was its remaining hp

[astral kelp]

oh

[rustic mountain]

dozo w/ sun seems weirdge

[astral kelp]

LOL

[foggy lodge]

It just runs no water moves

[astral kelp]

dozo with sun dozo and koraidon and indeedee with weezing wait how does this work

[foggy lodge]

Order up body press

I think the original team used order up body press rest sleep talk

[dense latch]

you won't have indeedee and weezing on the field at the same time

[chrome knot]

its strong asf

[dense latch]

possibly ever

[foggy lodge]

Indeedee Geezing are just supports

[rustic mountain]

guess im not familiar w/ the imagined double restricted meta haha

[astral kelp]

oh so you bring indeedee or geezing

[dense latch]

i've seen a lot of korai weezing dozo in reg g

[rustic mountain]

really?

[astral kelp]

really??

[rustic mountain]

i feel like i havent seen that once

[astral kelp]

i guess weezing is cool

[atomic mural]

only reason i made the team

[foggy lodge]

No its more like maybe you have lines with CSR Geezing for example and you force 50/50s of wether you punish defensive plays with for example toxic spikes or go full offensive with expanding force indeedee switch in turn 1

[atomic mural]

i saw the teams too

[dense latch]

yea decently high too

like 1650-1700 bo1 range

[rustic mountain]

yea i got a few accs in that range or higher

[foggy lodge]

https://pokepast.es/2f5f4202ef6f0d0a

[rustic mountain]

mustve just dodged em ig

[dense latch]

not even a bo1 gimmick bc they'd accept ots

[foggy lodge]

Top cut EUIC

[dense latch]

i didnt get it at first at all either

[atomic mural]

https://pokepast.es/71639c9f5e5735c9

[tiny karma]

Move: Strange Steam

Has a 20% chance to confuse the target.

Type

Fairy

Category

Special

Power

90

Accuracy

95

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[rustic mountain]

i still dont

[foggy lodge]

Sash Geezing with tera ground its actually so cool

Win con against Miraidon

[astral kelp]

wait ability shield LMAO

[solid frigate]

yep i saw that a lot

[dense latch]

tbf last time i was in the 1700-1750 range was like 2 weeks ago so it might've disappeared in that time

had a really bad day where i dropped all the way to like 1500

[rustic mountain]

happens

especially a format like reg g

a lot more volatile

[dense latch]

double especially in bo1 cts

[solid frigate]

my best is 1500 in Bo1
1300 in Bo3

[rustic mountain]

yea that or i just happened to face none. anytime ive seen weezing its been w/ csr lately

[dense latch]

downpairing is lethal

[foggy lodge]

I don't touch bo1 even with a 10 meter stick I hate it

[atomic mural]

https://pokepast.es/adf084e2e65ea12e obviously needs improvement but this is what i used in the tournament

[astral kelp]

toxic spikes in doublers is kinda crazy

[foggy lodge]

Only time I played it I got to 1400 in 30 minutes

It was okay

[astral kelp]

oh wait is the idea to poison then stal with dozo

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

Or just let CSR pick up KOs at low health

[astral kelp]

thats a cool concept

[foggy lodge]

And then snowball with the as one boosts because neutalizing gas doesn't deactivates as one

[astral kelp]

thats actually a really cool concept

[rustic mountain]

bo1 is cool its just different. at its core its still pokemon haha

[atomic mural]

bro in my round 7 i started the game with dozo and tatsugiri and my dozo didnt even die

[astral kelp]

HOOOOG RIDAAA

[foggy lodge]

Idk

[atomic mural]

i named my koraidon that in 2020 and never changed it

[foggy lodge]

I prefer knowing how I'm gonna get cheesed lol

I'm gonna grind cart for reg I tho I want to steal japanese teams from there

For this reg I've been playing mostly bo3 to improve how I play more consistently

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/f66ae54cfa04a536

What i can think of rn

[astral kelp]

i wonder if i can make anything cool with misty terrain

[foggy lodge]

Its not very strong for this format

If you want to nerf Miraidon Rillaboom exists

[rustic mountain]

bo3 is more honest so ur not necessarily getting cheesed especially having most of the info u need infront of u. but theres a lot of crossover between successful bo1 teams into bo3. look at wolfey winning the gc then euic w/ the same team as the most recent example

[astral kelp]

omg this is like a comp i would use

[astral kelp]

what i want

[atomic mural]

misty terrain misty explosion weezing 🔥

[astral kelp]

yes