#competitive_discussion
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there is a genuine use case for support Gigas
its why Wolfe used it in the first place
tis a bulky boi
that might have something to do with his "Performance issues"
😅
Most like him need a little blue guy as you said
As a supportive bulky set is not bad
Normal type is good and you can run another defensive Tera
i run Water but i can run somethinf
you could run ability shield Kyogre and have some fun with Weezing and Gigas
Double restricted with both horses
Start with CIR slow start regi then once it’s fast go CSR

haha its a shame its Atk is also halved
Shit really
yeah
On switch-in, this Pokemon's Attack and Speed are halved for 5 turns.
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ON SWITCH IN TOO DAMN
yeah, shocking ability
Bro didn’t get the zacian Zama nerf
Although it would be a buff for him
for a mon thats been powercrept anyway
i mean if you want to i can make a Gigas Geezing team
I have a slaking one from H you could legit just swap it in
And choose the power creep of each mon lol
jesus, glad you won that, i hate those teams
i guess i was lucky
wo Chien our goat
there a few turns id have gone for Origin pulse and confirmed the kill on Incin personally
you have to make the read sometimes when they are so consistent with their switches
yeah fair enough
i think Gigas with support set kinda just invalidated the Ability and slow speed can help with situations in Trick room
Pollen puff
yeah, its usable for sure
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People hate encore lol
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lol
not how imagined Taunt would look animated...
today i learnt, encore goes through sub
sound move 😄
its a sound move of course it does-
didnt know encore was a sound move !
fair haha
tho i dont use sub or encore so useless to me but fun to know ig
having thought about it, i guess that makes soundproof mons immune to encore
didn't that one stream showed
i have pretty short memory
Encore being a sound move is funny cus the animation is just
LIGHTS
its a spotlight and a cheer so i get it ig
Yeah
encore is an applause i guess
I searched encore Pokémon and there was nothing so I did closest thing
Clapping can be cheering
@DrayageDrago Whats that zacian spread for?
Been using it for a while but don't know what it's for
does anyone learn Helping hand there-
he's taking a break
Oh, okay
Acrobatics, Aerial Ace, Bounce, Brick Break, Brutal Swing, Counter, Cut, Dig, Dive, Facade, False Swipe, Feint Attack, Fling, Frustration, Giga Impact, Gunk Shot, Ice Punch, Lick, Liquidation, Low Kick, Low Sweep, Night Slash, Pound, Power-Up Punch, Quick Attack, Retaliate, Return, Rock Slide, Rock Smash, Rock Tomb, Secret Power, Shadow Sneak, Smack Down, Strength, Take Down, Thief, Trailblaze, U-turn, Upper Hand, Waterfall
Blizzard, Bubble, Chilling Water, Dark Pulse, Echoed Voice, Extrasensory, Grass Knot, Hidden Power, Hydro Cannon, Hydro Pump, Hyper Beam, Ice Beam, Icy Wind, Mud Shot, Mud-Slap, Round, Scald, Sludge Wave, Snore, Surf, Swift, Tera Blast, Water Gun, Water Pledge, Water Pulse, Water Shuriken, Weather Ball
Attract, Bestow, Camouflage, Confide, Double Team, Endure, Growl, Happy Hour, Haze, Helping Hand, Mat Block, Mind Reader, Mud Sport, Protect, Rain Dance, Rest, Role Play, Sleep Talk, Smokescreen, Snatch, Snowscape, Spikes, Spite, Substitute, Swagger, Switcheroo, Swords Dance, Taunt, Toxic, Toxic Spikes, Water Sport, Work Up
A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Greninja.
You'd think as your favourite mon you'd know @solid frigate 😉
still be weird to use but whatever
Yeah wouldn't be my first choice on the moveset but we move
Helping hands Tera water 252 modest choice specs rain boosted piplup hydro pump
I know you outspeed Modest BM Ursa even when it's in TW
I just know it's supposed to hit hard and go fast
It had 172 in both attack and speed, and it was jolly, but idk how to check what it does
Cuz I’m divided between that and 252 252
Ummm
Just run some general damage calcs to see something it can do
I wouldn't go max max tbh
Some bulk is a tiny bit appreciated tbh
Plus there's nothing you really accomplish by going max max
lives +2 calyrex shadow iirc
outspeeds no tailwind bikes too
Jolly or modest bikes?
lemme check the calcs again-
+speed nature bikes
they cap out at 205
zacian gets 209
Ight, appreciate it!
Girl knows her stuff
i remember it cuz i used his spread for the coaching team i made
+2 252 SpA Calyrex-Shadow Astral Barrage vs. 132 HP / 28 SpD Zacian-Crowned: 157-186 (85.3 - 101%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Calyrex-Ice High Horsepower vs. 132 HP / 4 Def Zacian-Crowned: 126-150 (68.4 - 81.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+1 172 Atk Zacian-Crowned Behemoth Blade vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Calyrex-Ice: 192-228 (92.7 - 110.1%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
i think
these are the significant calcs?
ionno
we'll have to wait until he comes back though
Nah cuz
Ah damn he is
Trying to make doubles team with arcanine(regular form) but I don't know which pokemon goes well with it
When Rilla survives 252 Tsareena tera ice triple axel
it’s kinda hard to justify using arcanine when incineroar exists ngl
ANOTHER LUDICOLO TEAM!
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oh its the one that got shared in here that we had to dodgy translate
that archaludon spread would make @mighty stump cry
OMG ITS POTTY PRESS
Well it be like that
Trying to make doubles team with arcanine(regular form) but I don't know which pokemon goes well with it
OG Arcanine is a little power crept, but maybe look for teams that use the Hisui and swap it out
What are these photos from
Swsh or something?
Was it two sucker sash into astral 
We lead the same thing the 3 games
Lmfao
the video i just shared lol
Pao Shifu lead game 1, Hands Shifu game 2 and CSR hands game 3
I mean like the photo format
How it looks all pretty and shit
Gotcha
Wasn’t around then to know but the typing symbols made me think it
Someone made a third party for it?
Also yeah wtf is that spread-
probably to survive something like CC lol
Was gonna say it being so defense and not spdef or hp it must be specifically for someone
Almost full speed full def
tbf thats what pagos does rn
boldpagos gaming
my procrastinator ass is finally watching EUIC 
time to zone out and just watch vgc
its been like 2 weeks
yall think lando is better on a 252 252 spread, or the san antonio winning one? That's the team btw: https://pokepast.es/abbb3089022e5ae6
type stuff type junk
yup i get to find out wtf to do when the only hrt doctor in the city retirws

start with max max
big fan of bulk lando
What do you mean?
it is simpler to use
But is it better?
start with using max max, if you find it to be unoptimal then start changing it
debatable both ways
^
yes ^
I’ve been using it for a while now, peaked at like top 40, but I noticed it got OHKOed too frequently, so I’m wondering if the extra bulk would be better or just diminish the value it gets by just going faster and hitting harder
ohkod by what
I will be honest, I don’t remember, but stuff out of just specs Draco, surging, or spout
thats 4x effective ur not living that either without tera
barrage u can calc for tho
Lance on Tera, my bad here
tera what
The user is protected from most attacks made by other Pokemon during this turn. This move has a 1/X chance of being successful, where X starts at 1 and triples each time this move is successfully used. X resets to 1 if this move fails, if the user's last move used is not Baneful Bunker, Burning Bulwark, Detect, Endure, King's Shield, Max Guard, Obstruct, Protect, Quick Guard, Silk Trap, Spiky Shield, or Wide Guard, or if it was one of those moves and the user's protection was broken. Fails if the user moves last this turn.
Fighting
Status
0
—
5 (8)
4
Bypasses Protect-like moves.
Does not make contact.
idk why its 8 pp compare to the usual 16
yeah i just noticed that it surprised me while watching
i can understand Spiky shield
my PC is HDR and every time i try to screenshot windows is stupid
to make ursh dark have all 8s in the sash set
doesn’t it mostly have Sucker Punch-
how many times can you sucker punch love
ah, a good use for Encore lol
2 encores and its struggling lol
i mean you said all 8s
that happened last time with Raging Bolt
Peak moment By Rajan 🙂
I won a game on SD last week where i just encore locked the last 2 mons with Ludicolo into suckerpunch and i spammed fakeout until the encores ended lol
i meant like how you can use it to show sets lol
since arch isnt swsh
ah thats where gotcha
oh great heavens
i still need to download it-
protect the kids and use fun stuff like nerdofnow, vgcmulticalc, munchstats & statcrusher
i just click buttons and play fun game numbers hurt :)
Saw this team and i liked the play. Anyone got a similar one where I can see the EV pastes of it?
bc 90% of them come from me xd
100% of my spreads come from taking from past teams in folder that were originally named after who gave them
but after a few generations of not naming the new teams
yeah probably
you
shit monkey has given me i actually got a couple from him
and one or two from leo but you said leo took from you 
all wraps around
Entei With Geezing?
Huh if only they actually have Ability Shield
I wonder how this works yeah lol
its just disruption against Opposing team (Geezing Neutralising Gas)
Specfically Prankster TW or Prankster as awhole
cuz Prankster Mons rely on their Abilities
Is there any similar team I can look at for builds?
Team for arcanine for doubles please. I want to use my favorite pokemon in comp
u can use it in a team that has entei and replace it
its defo worse but kinda similar?
idk u probs have to find a role for it as Espeed intim user
Alright thank you
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gotta make their $100 from SWSH + DLC 😄
:(
Shiny available yet?
i dont believe so
wont be long
worlds gift trust (PLEASE MAKE IT FREE AND EASY LIKE THAT)
yeah but they're going to have to allow you to transfer it for it to matter
at least it’s in the indigo disk unlike a certain horse rider and dogs
god i got so confused who you meant by frog and i had to remember that cursed fucking heatran image to realize
i had to chase landorus like a dumbass in legends arceus to be able to use it 😭
i do i just kinda wanted to shiny hunt it
Atleast you actually can reset IVs on Legends Arceus
Ah fair
Watch it not win worlds
Someone on another server was searching for a 0 atk Landorus in sw/sh and got the shiny before 0 atk lmao
U can in SWSH tho?
yea that’s what im saying
i caught it in legends arceus so i could shiny hunt it in swsh
honestly i just went with the first one i caught if i ever lose bc foul play did 5% more damage that’s on me
Drip > optimization
yeah take the shiny any day lol
i’d only really care if it was caly shadow
exactlyy that’s what i did with farig and eleki
tbf tho i got my shiny eleki before i got into comp
God bless physical sweepers because they are the easiest to shiny hunt and don't care about IVs lol
Makes me wonder how that's gonna work for pokemon champions aka vgc pocket
Hi chat
second they make a spa based move
so many peoples mons are gonna suffer
why havent they actuall
Legends arceus did rework freeze into frostbite that's just special attack burn, maybe in gen 10 ice types get the buff they need
genuinely i would be scared if they did cus a9 and bax both were fairly scary reg H so id be worried how much that could grow
I do believe its a possibility because I'm pretty sure sv was being developed before pla was released
So maybe in gen 10 we do get freeze to frostbite rework
It's scary for stuff like atales but it would be nice to at least have more pressure on special attackers when the threat to get burned for physical attackers is always there
I think that would be a nice balance
Special attackers also not being threatened by any equivalent of intimidate or foul play or rocky helmet or spiky shield at all
huh?
I'm saying I think bringing the freeze rework from legends arceus to mainline games would be cool
oh
that would be good-
but like
if we did, wouldn’t we need an entire separate move that’s a status and has a chance to apply frostbite
cuz wisp-
Yeah that too
It would be cool to see what happens yeah
I would only be sad if it’s just like mirrors if everything
Like the based on Spa is dark too
I think making em unique so they aren’t just mirrors would be nice
Maybe unbalanced as one could be better than other but variety at least
Like when thinking about it I always only thought about "man special attackers don't even have to care about intimidate/foul play" but there's actually so many other mechanics that only affect phys moves and I can't think of one mechanic that exclusively applies to special
Light screen 
I guess
but most of them were around before the physical special split-
no?
Shitty exception lol
actually
when was the phys/special split-
so glad adamant cir is better than brave cir i was NOT doing allat
it was gen 4 right-?
Yes
yea gen 4
If you count less common stuff there's like, perish body, gooey, that one spiky ball item
Perish body?
Lots of variations of protect now
isn’t brave still considered better in terms of a hard trick room team?
Making contact with this Pokemon starts the Perish Song effect for it and the attacker. This effect does not happen for this Pokemon if the attacker already has a perish count.
Cursola
cursed body still exists-
i think that’s what it’s called
Perish body is real
wtf
Remember cursola?
i’ve seen adamant even on hard tr teams
From swsh didn't make the cut to sv or legends arceus
https://pokepast.es/c1629693caabd4ce for example this is what mdb used in npa
yeahh its pretty
no idea had this move
Ability
yeah oops
yeah-
but the 49 speed
I mean gotta consider that you don't always have trick room up and that spread probably plans for some situation like that
I agree
If not just outspeeding opposing tr calyrex out of tr
118 speed for caly ice
Ok that's a lot
fair enough
Trust the process
that goes above the cap-
unless that’s EVs
I mean if you know what that's calculated for I guess
doesn’t caly ice max speed go up to 112 without tailwind?
You gotta see THE VISION
And to make it more annoying let’s just slap an assault vest on caly ice
I get it I do I was running 172 speed weezing in reg d
But like if you know what you calculated that speed for
I had a reason for turbo weezing
That being?
I think it was like 1 point faster than my ursaluna blood moon so it could use acid spray before it
Ohhhhh
And that ursa had speed for some gholdengo spread I don't remember now
It was like, faster than modest scarf if it was in tailwind? I think
Why not just use fezandipiti
While living a timid scarf tera hit
Because it wasn't only there for acid spray
Actually it was reg g not d sorry
Weezing was really fun there bc it invalidated peli archa lead and you could lead into ape with ability shield incin + weezing and intimidate ignoring defiant
One of my favorite teams
Can’t tell if it was better or worse
Better solely because I had perfect meta counterplay now idk what to do
https://pokepast.es/326af1fe148094c6
trust me this works better than it looks like it would
Lmao
Well it did when that regulation was a thing
I kinda want another lower power level format
On another gen tho
With new mons and gimmick I don't want scale shot mirrors again
I miss sinistcha being good, 80% of the mons that threaten it were banned in reg h
Yeah it loses badly against most restricteds
sinistchga is a cool mon
CSR, CIR, Koraidon, Groudon
id like another reg H if it was with diff mon pool i gotta agree
Chien-Pao, Chi-Yu, Flutter, Roaring Moon
Like, no tornadus no flutter no chien pao no cir no csr no koraidon no groudon no single strike urshifu
Yes like
I want to play reg B or something like that
it was fun cus new archetypes came even late into the reg while G its been pretty same
althought thats prob because its reg G 2
reg G 1 new stuff came out more often
It took a while but when I came up with my own answer to big archa the regulation was super fun to me
thats realk i used gallade sacred sword for a while lol
And it was extra fun to lead into peli + archaludon with neutralizing gas
Eh some cool new teams were created with reg G 2
i loveddd gallade first half of H
Its cool seeing Gouging Fire again
yeah but it was minaly one or two mon cahnges
i mean like full new teams
Ah yeah
the new stuff this Reg hasnt been bad i just mean completely new stuff
gallade gambit dragapult gothitelle 
Like you cant do anything about ursaluna with that it was made to live draco too and peli usually runs weather ball over hydro pump so unusable out of rain
fast psyspam.
zard sun.
im blanking on new stuff that came out late reg H
P2 ursa but that was more like halfway
The cheese 😫
If I had to play Reg H agains I would play Arubega rain lol
OH GARCHOMP VIVI
It was such a cool team
I USED THAT HOW COULD I FORGET
I was a believer in Archa Pelipper Sinistcha and people said nah Amoonguss better
im genuinely glad dozogiri was quite toned down due ot people prepping for it the entire reg lmfao
there’s this thing called the amoongus factor
Funny
Foongus better
sacred sword again my love
amoongus will always be present and plentiful when nobody knows the meta
Dozogiri is stronger in reg G
or if the meta is always shifting every week
Mainly because its impossible to prep for anything in this format
cuz no ones going like haze prima lol
Bozoskibidi 
For Dozogiri you could just slap a haze
Wonder how good dozogiri is gonna be in vgc pocket
Now you can't
Golden age of murkrow
instead, we now have guaranteed crit
i think in this reg each mon NEEDS its 4 its genuinely hard to replace anything with haze
especially a mon that has haze
That’s what I’m saying then I’m hit with the “no one runs haze”
like most mons movepool are very limited cus they gotta be best chopice in this reg
Wait for dynamax donzogiri, that's gonna be WILD
or dont wait and just avoid it
Like Murkrow, Dragonite, Primarina, clear smog Amoonguss
You actually had options for haze in the format
oh yeah sus could maybe squeez in clear smog this reg
I pray to god that dynamax is never added to pokemon champions
Yeah now the only option is clear smog
I don't wanna go back to weakness policy dmax meta
Yuta Ishigaki used it at worlds
oh rly sick
Sick 🤒
i mean lots of NP and CM around its not a bad tech in the slightest
I have a STRONG feeling it will based on the arena size they previewed
almost been sick for 2 weeks someone please kill me 🔥
Personally I never want to see dynamax or z moves ever again
Yeah and like if you force a tera on Zama you can use clear smog
Dmax would just bring dogs back more than ever
Or just delete buffs on the Calyrexs
or just roar it out 
It has way more usable situations
Can I get a drop I’m like nah
If they add that they better add z moves I didn't even play gen 7 competitive but I have a soft spot because I'm nostalgic about that gen
god im so disgusted by roar (i used dragon tail pult in reg H[it didnt go well])
Like lore wise it would even make more sense to add z moves than dmax because canonically dynamax only works in specific locations in galar
Tera at least we know the conditions for it to work can be made artificially
the sleep deprivation of sickness has been getting to me so bad last 2 days i keep just saying wrong word or uttering wrong phrase sometimes 😭
its funny enough to admit but also embarassing lol
Wym you've almost been sick
its not the worst its just it comes specifically at night and doesnt stop coughing til close to 2 am so i get no sleep
Ikr
and i couldnt sleep in on weekends to recover and my parents have vendetta on napping so im just kinda here barely alive and awake :)

It's my nose and sneezing for me
oh dude my nose
I mean not to be disrespectful I hope you get better
It's just that I can relate
you havent been disrespectful lol its fine
ive been having noise issues too but too gross to say 😭
I just started sleeping anyways
Waking up with a sore throat from mouth breathing all night sometimes
At least I get sleep if I just do that
good you get sleep love
dude this legit saved me once i should see if we have some but dont think so
Caldo de Pollo
I've been starting to get sick a lot less ever since I started working out and exercising have you looked into that
If you do that already hope that helps you improve soon too
I barely get sick
I absolutely hate exercise but it's worth the relief of having a lot more energy and getting sick a lot less often
ooo this ive never had it
im a white ass boy so this never been a common thing but wed prob make it a few times
Chicken soup
tho ill be honest id rather filipino food again its so good why is the closest thing 30 minutes away
with giant fucking corn cobs
Oh we don't do that around here
I must be the only person in like a 1000 mile radius who doesn't like corn
Or popcorn
🧼
so lots of hispanic dishes i just
cant eat unless i ask every time
cus no one lists cilantro as an ingredient for what the order is no one thinks that
GASP
I’m staring at your soul
man i cant alter my gentics thats only on like corn and shit for now
Vape? That's bad for you
breathe air
I meant legends za
Also Nuh uh cuz look at weezing
Im excited ngl. Didnt like PLA but Tepig carries ZA.
Ngl ig Tyranitars typing didnt suck into Kyogre, Groudon AND koraidon it wouldn't be that useless rn.
Tf that supposed to mean

Soap is tasty tho
Sadly don’t agree

Coriander tastes like soap for me
ok hear me out. regigigas as a mixed trick room attacker using slow start to make him slow af
On switch-in, this Pokemon's Attack and Speed are halved for 5 turns.
Crippled attack then intimidate bait
Normal
Slow Start
110/160/110/80/110/100
670
80 spa oof
it would kinda be a good at a few things, great at nothing
except, you also have a weezing on the team, so you have an alternate mode of just regi beats
is there a good argument for any non restricted trick room setter other than the giraffe rn?
Indeedee
i guess indeedee is propably better into miraidon
Rilla is better
yeah in general, i just meant specifically as a trick room setter
Just minus speed Rilla
They’ll never see it coming
stimky
Ruh
Next legends game after za gonna be a first person shooter
Looks like legends is gonna be the series where all the games are some new experimentation and different battle mechanics
I mean it's not completely impossible that like idk some legends games has a totally unexpected replacement to battles
Legends meloetta and all the battles are rhythm based dance battles
I mean
ZA just seems like an expanded pla no?
It seemed like same idea but more developed rather than whole new idea
Yeah the battle turn order was already getting changed with agile and strong styles this is just a step up
At least with the battle system
Wha
ik this isnt the right chat i just need some feedback on a kilowattrel build i did, please no hate im not a big competitive person
Kilowatrel - modest - competitive - leafovers / focus Sash | Ev's : SpAtk 252 - Spe 252
Thunderbolt
Air Slash
Volt switch
Tailwind / Roost
Well depending on what it’s being used for it might be good
gameplay mostly
Like base game play?
yes
Focus sash is a one time use item so it isn’t always the best for that
Something like life orb might be better to give it more of an oomph
Other than that it looks fine
It could also be a timid nature just to fully utilize that speed stat
alrighty, thank you so much
Course
idk if i wanna run life orb tho respectfully, i have a greninja using it on my team and i dont like using the same item for 2 pokes
Completely fair
would leaftovers , tailwind be good? or leftovers , roost
Probably leftovers tailwind
sorry if im making it complicated
Leftovers roost is a lot of healing but Kilo is extremely frail
And tailwind is what it does good
So I’d say leftovers tailwind if you’re really set on leftovers
Nah you’re all good
alright
thank you so so much
krystal0794_92370 has given 1 Gen Rep to connertep
I would suggest an offensive item to get the most out of Kilo but that’s just me
If you want to go bulkier be my guest
Air slash flinches on a fat mon is frustrating
what would u do?
Well I did suggest lorb but since that’s off the table probably expert belt or magnet
Since flying/electric hits a decent amount of types expert belt could work
what does magnet do? im still fairly new to pokemon
oh dang
i could do greninja expert belt and kilowattrel lorb
i might honestly do lorb on kilowattrel now
If the greninja has good coverage it might be worth it
my greninja build is liquidation , gunkshot , u-turn and swords dance with jolly , protean hp 252 atk 252
I would ditch u turn, especially if you’re setting up a swords dance
this is like just shuckle stats
i wonder if it lives like +1 astral barrage
Depends if it’s lorb or not
Also I would suggest putting some stats into his HP
On a mon with such low base HP any extra HP helps a lot
ehhh
The defenses are already so high that they have diminishing returns
yeah he has that
252+ SpA Life Orb Calyrex-Shadow Astral Barrage vs. 252 HP / 172 SpD Eviolite Dusclops: 120-143 (81.6 - 97.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
so yea it needs 172 spd to live it
Then use that
sry again im tryna wrap my head around, if i run lord on kilowattrel would i run tailwind or roost?
It’s singles so probably roost
Tailwind has little place in singles just for how short of a time it lasts
Of course there’s situations where it’s amazing but those are very rare
singles and gameplay aswell
Most of gameplay is singles is what I meant
oh my fault
i have S/V's ghost type gym leader in my head so i was automatically thinking u were talking abt competitive singles
oh god my dad's thoughts are in discord
I got another 3 months until I need to get a job alright
is glastiar restricted?
Imagine being UNEMPLOYED!
Nope
Nope
My man
huh
i like being UNEMPLOYED
I like having money
That’s actually so real
thats fair
so theoretically is this allowed lmfao
Yes
THATS SO DUMB HASHAHA
Me when Volcarona
wait can glastrier run eviolite or is it a separate thing
Separate
Yeah but why though
its moderatly funny
Really stretching that “moderately”
I’ve seen people run AV Glastrier
Clops/Glastrier can be more efficient slots imo
caly-i is literally just straight up better glastrier
yea just looking at things lol
oh they dont have spear
Isn’t it a speed tie?
thank u so so much again, have a blessed day :]
krystal0794_92370 has given 1 Gen Rep to connertep
Yeah they’re both 30
does among usually run - speed nature - speed ivs
I wish you luck in crushing the game 🙏🙏
I’d say yes
Can’t be 100% sure but whenever I run Amoonguss I run that
idk i feel like youd want it to outspeed some stuff at least
but ig outspeeding stuff in trick room is more important
There’s almost nothing that falls in that 30-50 range
Usually it’s all 50
CIR, Iron hands, Ursaluna
Just to name a few
its pretty much only hattarena aznd toarkal yea
I guess Ursa doesn’t matter though
aw
i woulda tried this as a team
because its really fucking funny
you prolly cant run caly cand caly ice anyways
bro wtf why does caly ice only learn 2 physical ice moves
Oh that, there’s not a lot of ice moves
lets make a physical ice type
but only give it icicle crash and fucking avalanche lol
What you wanna give it ice punch?
Or Ice spinner?
It’s a fat horse with hooves
It ain’t doing any of that
Look at Kyurem black’s physical ice moves
i assume at least icicle crashj
icicle spear is decent
And I believe that’s it for physical ice moves
Forces you to run loaded dice
actually yeah
Which for a Mon that also has scale shot it’s good but incineroar becomes his father
all his good ice moves force him to run a specific item
LOL THATS UNIRONICALLY THE BEST ICE TYPE MOVE IT LEARNS HAHAHA
jeez this pokemon fucking sucks
its like
completely ass typing + completely ass move pool
170 atk is pretty crazy tho
Only 5 higher than CIR
To put it into perspective
lol this is unironically a better attacker
Wait till he misses every move
252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Rock Rampardos Head Smash vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Calyrex-Ice: 400-472 (193.2 - 228%) -- guaranteed OHKO
AHHAHA thats funny\
even rock slide one shots
Sheer force is pretty crazy
Instead of band lorb would technically be better
Just to pair with sheer force better
oh true it denies it i forgot about that
wait does it increase the damage of normal moves if youre running lorb
Sheer force no, lorb yes. It also makes you take recoil
wdym?
Sheer force has no effect on moves without a secondary effect
ic
But lorb will still do the extra damage with recoil
hm would this work
Go something like fire punch
Or thunder punch
The punches have secondary effects
Same with stone edge
does supercell slam count?
Man I remember reading something on that but I cannot remember
99% sure it doesn’t work like that though
it stops life orb recoil tho thats whats confusing me
Only moves with secondary effects
So head smash would make you take lorb recoil
But rock slide would not because sheer force is getting used
does this 4 remaining thing frustrate the shit out ofg anyone else
I don’t think he needs any physical defense
I would go 252 HP and some spdef
Then you get to use all the evs
Why no protect on Caly?
forgor 💀
no way this guy trick rooms in front of rampardos
Watch a replay of a Pokémon battle between Xlntego and K4x1! Format: [Gen 9] VGC 2025 Reg G; Date: Mar 5, 2025
lol its so dumb
like rampardos is kind of a glass canon beast
i prolly shouldnt do tera rock tho
rock is kind of a mid offensive type
maybe tera dark crunch to deal with the calyrexes
lol
We got some gooders here yeah
I guess that depends on what “really good” entails
There’s definitely people here that can do that for ya
I’ll help tomorrow if you haven’t gotten any help just cause I gotta sleep but I bet someone will help before then
There’s a guy here who loves Ludicolo, bet he’d help
i guess i can help but like is it VGC?
Ok then everyone here can be gym leader lmao

i guess conner can help on Ladder while i at least have Irl event Experience
I mean I got an account that’s at like 1250 bo1 right now like 11-1 I think? If you want it you can have it
I never set passwords for accounts like that anyway
Sounds good to me
Whats the team for yours
Isn’t that pretty random?
Wouldn’t non random be current gen?
Ohhhh
How active is gen8 natdex?
VGC would be more impressive for them
Especially its way harder than Natdex
VGC yippee !!
If you’re coming here for help the help you’ll receive will most likely be VGC just cause that’s what we focus on usually
Do you need to make your own team or can you use pre-made ones?
Ok good
Yeah
Eh depends on the team, there’s some pretty famous teams but like, team building sucks to learn
Yknow that’s fair I think
That’s why I offered an alt I don’t care about
It doesn’t even have a password to it
If you gotta actually battle though it’s a pretty bad method
It’s like lying on a job resume
you need to learn how to battle honestly so yeah not recommended
VGC would have lesser stall strats but setups still exists
Me looking at my Terapagos
Terapagos is not stall lnao
Setup
Dondozo 😔
yeah i know thats why i said setup still here
If you just need any ladder, Hackmons is fun
Does it have to be advanced, this venture doesn't sound like it's worth anything
I’m just saying it’s probably easier to hit 1300 in VGC Reg G than Frantic Fusions
If you have CSR yeah id say that
Well you’re just doing this for a requirement, sounds like you don’t want to fully pursue ladder grinding
I'm being honest, from what you've told us yourself that role you're after isn't carrying a lot behind it in terms of requirement and it seems you're willing to try and breeze through a format instead of learning it
What do these gym leaders do anyway?
Then it sounds like you should be pursuing something else but that's just me
hell i am an Elite 4 in my other server
Dang not even a champion? Shameful
vgc is unrelated to Smogon
ask the server owner
Valid argument
Well if you don't like Smogon, VGC is your best bet
Singles formats aren't going to be your friend
I’m now realizing I would’ve gone 10-0 on that account if I didn’t misclick when making the team
Hyper beam and hyper voice are incredibly different moves
I love Z moves
Twinkle Tackle my beloved
me love hydro vortex
For obvious reasons
It takes some sort of balance to have gimmick overlap, it just depends on if GameFreak is willing to try it
Parental bond tera normal fake out finna do 100% damage
I would personally rather see this
I want mega gigantamax tera fire Charizard Z
Mega Z stone
For Z moves and Mega Zard Z
Someone more experienced would have to tell me if power creep is an issue, like in my mind I'm not sure how statwise Megas compare to D/G-Maxed mons
If they can stand across from each other then it's fine
Primals were like that
I didn’t play competitive back when megas were around so my takes on it all have no backing but I feel like they were super busted
And cause they don’t have a time limit
There weren’t any moves that hit megas for double
I mean
Adaptability
That or Z moves
In OTS though it’s chill
Chiller than Tera imo
I hate tera with a passion
Really cool gimmick but man, competitively it just turns everything into a slosh pit
The only constant in my Pokémon has died
The type chart means nothing when you can become a fairy
It makes the Calyrexes so incredibly broken
Unless your name is Terapagos I guess

Then you get to play the game normally with a clear all button once a game
Until you get cc'ed or drain punched
What were you looking to play
I would say VGC is the most applicable format but that’s also me being incredibly biased

You and everyone else
VGC maybe wouldn't take you too long to hit your ELO target, low ladder in my experience can be breezy
Do you mean world champ for real or a discord role that is elo locked?
I like the drive
I would not be too greedy imo but up to you
There's a certain patient mindset you'd want to have tbh
I don’t know if dreams would be considered “greedy”
As long as you have your expectations in check that's what counts
I was hard stuck on winning and nothing else for the better part of a year and a half and let me tell you, mindset is key
i used to get super salty after losses now i'm a better sport
Just recently I’ve had to take a step back and learn from my failures instead of trying over and over again
See if I have all my self worth on my Elo, my elo should go up right?
😔
conner have you ever considered using scream tail
Does scream tail get gravity?
nope
Gravity Groudon is overrated in my opinion
Just have a safer secondary option like high horse power
idk i just want an excuse to use my boy yanmega
Totally fair, use your favourites. You’ll play better with them
tbh i've been having mixed results using skeledirge
Pikachu
i'm steadily climbing bo3 ladder but my elo is not fantastic
I was thinking Flareon but Pikachu is a good guess
We know we're just fucking around
What’re you at? Judgemental free zone
1240 bo3 so far
I didn’t even bother to gribd Bo3 cuz Bham regionals already cooked me
It’s also just incredibly different so don’t be disappointed if you aren’t as high as you wanna be
My favourites are
eh i'm managing my expectations these days
Groudon
Groudon
Groudon
Groudon
Groudon
If you go the VGC route what kind of team would you be interested in learning to play? Something balanced for starters or something a little more gimmicky? We have recommendations for each
I need to get better at this
My expectations are always way way too high
I’ve had a very humbling career
Smogon Tiers are innacurate towards VGC meta
But man those peaks. When you hit em you feel like a god
1500 is my highest lmao
it's challenging to play against miraidon teams but i feel like i'm slowly getting the hang of it
Ladder can only show so much skill which is why elo sucks
I could but i need to go to University expo
GXE on the other hand is a good measure in my opinion
honestly i would rather just have 4-4 in Bham than 1500 in Ladder
Oh 100%
Tournaments will always beat out ladder experience
Even limitless tours are better
i wanted to enter a regional which is on this weekend but i wasn't feeling it mentally
Miraidon Crown moment
Miraidon is really cool
where's emma to deal a healthy dose of realism lol
?
I don’t think that how Teambuilding works
we're not here to massage your ego
You're going to be told quite a bit that your favorites ultimately might not get you very far, that's unfortunately how the landscape is
you can but like usually Would require extra amount of work if you fav is not Incineroar or something
i have a right to an opinion bro just because you don't like it doesn't mean i'm not gonna say it
Right, so I'm not sure how we got here--no one is helping anybody if we are butting heads
“My favourites are Calyrex Ice Rider, Ogerpon Hearthflame, Landorus-I, Roaring moon, Urshifu Rapid Strike, and Amoonguss 🥺🥺”
Tang moment lmao
Tangs moment
Last thing you said was this yeah
All right, so maybe you're looking at Nat Dex
hell barely any team i use have Incineroar
Yeah me too
Incin is not my first pick for a lot of teams
They aren’t a Calyrex though
Here ya go
Oh lord lol
My only advice for that team is don’t play against Kyogre
I seriously don’t know how they play against Kyogre
As a CIR player using a Similar team
Yeah its pain
Lets not
We aren’t allowed to discuss such things here
i was gonna say Meta Call in EUIC
And then Wolfey Con Perish again
Reg G goes until the end of April doesn't it
What sort of tomfoolery is this
yeah
Probably yeah
Kyogre die down when Miraidons do well
Kyogre has an across the board consistent MU though
It does
No, move on from the topic
That Mon is so busted 😭
Plus its not relevant
I don’t think Kyogre suffers from Miraidon that much now
Especially Grass Tera is so funny
and [Redacted] isn’t relevant competitively in that scenario anyways
Yeah yeah
You don’t need to know and if you want to find out, this isn’t the place
That’s why I’m telling you move on
Did you need help piloting the team Conner gave you, if not it's pretty safe to say the ELO mark is in reach
You’re never seeing a full legend/mythical team
Okay
We’re only allowed one big guy anyway
We tried
this picture is so dumb lmao
God
I bet he lives 3 glacial lances now
i mean Resist+ a 2 stage defense yeah
I did send a team
Tofu you are NOT helping !
Ur right cuz I dont wanna x)
its Tofu
The last thing you want to see him do is that-
Coach don’t play kinda statement
No one likes it when I help cause they don’t like being coached for real
Didn’t ask
Lmao
What does this have to do with save editors man cause you got worked up over nothing then
I’m just gonna watch Tofu cooking
What’s the difference between doing that and just having someone play for you?
Then respectfully why did you agree to a server role that requires you to play Showdown? The result is this attitude that is making a mess
Like its fine if you want help
And if you have a team I’m happy to look at it
Cause generally we want to encourage the whole
teach a man to fish
Lead a horse to water 😔
What’s the team anyways
Tera Water CIR:
Cause if you’re looking for something to use, best case at the momet is using Tang’s team
Its up on youtube too
Conner sent that one I think yeah, here https://pokepast.es/e46121250ca44514
Since when do you need to be 1300s to hold your own matches
use wolfey's team /j
Wolfey exclusive team
Honestly
not a huge fan fighting Wolfey con Perish but i do have a Taunt Roaring Moon lmao
Tofu wasn't here for the entire conversation
For someone that preached a quote regarding reading comprehension you sure have a hard time understanding the concept of “not being here”
Bro
I was also referring to when I offered a non registered account because in my eyes any account that you have access to would do. Elo is not a constant thing
what have i walked into eni
How can I not be snarky if you’re making it so easy to clown
Don't

Mother
this is an Average tuesday here
Son
hi khuja
Eevee, let me be honest
Look at whats going on
hey Khuja
I was just gettin through back-reading
So if you drop below 1300 your role gets stripped away?
If you're not vibing with the idea of VGC don't do it, that sounds like it'll make you miserable
I’m going back to work
Imagine being EMPLOYED
#savinglives
So why not say you got 1300 with a different account and just use your main?
at least Tofu has a decent life I’d would say
are you an essential worker?




