#competitive_discussion

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spiral ridge
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Yeah

real prairie
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there is a genuine use case for support Gigas

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its why Wolfe used it in the first place

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tis a bulky boi

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that might have something to do with his "Performance issues"

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😅

spiral ridge
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Most like him need a little blue guy as you said

solid frigate
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anyway

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its still just a one off idea

spiral ridge
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As a supportive bulky set is not bad
Normal type is good and you can run another defensive Tera

solid frigate
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i run Water but i can run somethinf

spiral ridge
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Water is good

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Both horses

real prairie
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you could run ability shield Kyogre and have some fun with Weezing and Gigas

spiral ridge
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Double restricted with both horses
Start with CIR slow start regi then once it’s fast go CSR
GardeSip

real prairie
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haha its a shame its Atk is also halved

spiral ridge
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Shit really

real prairie
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yeah

tiny karmaBOT
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Ability: Slow Start

On switch-in, this Pokemon's Attack and Speed are halved for 5 turns.

solid frigate
spiral ridge
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ON SWITCH IN TOO DAMN

real prairie
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yeah, shocking ability

spiral ridge
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Bro didn’t get the zacian Zama nerf
Although it would be a buff for him

real prairie
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for a mon thats been powercrept anyway

spiral ridge
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Shame

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He is a cool mon

solid frigate
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i mean if you want to i can make a Gigas Geezing team

spiral ridge
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I have a slaking one from H you could legit just swap it in

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And choose the power creep of each mon lol

real prairie
solid frigate
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wo Chien our goat

real prairie
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there a few turns id have gone for Origin pulse and confirmed the kill on Incin personally

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you have to make the read sometimes when they are so consistent with their switches

solid frigate
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i think Gigas with support set kinda just invalidated the Ability and slow speed can help with situations in Trick room

left bobcat
real prairie
real prairie
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lol

real prairie
chrome knot
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today i learnt, encore goes through sub

real prairie
solid frigate
chrome knot
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didnt know encore was a sound move !

real prairie
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fair haha

chrome knot
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tho i dont use sub or encore so useless to me but fun to know ig

real prairie
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having thought about it, i guess that makes soundproof mons immune to encore

solid frigate
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didn't that one stream showed

chrome knot
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i have pretty short memory

spiral ridge
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Encore being a sound move is funny cus the animation is just
LIGHTS

chrome knot
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its a spotlight and a cheer so i get it ig

spiral ridge
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Yeah

real prairie
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encore is an applause i guess

chrome knot
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no that’s helping hand

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so close!!

spiral ridge
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I searched encore Pokémon and there was nothing so I did closest thing

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Clapping can be cheering

near crag
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@DrayageDrago Whats that zacian spread for?

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Been using it for a while but don't know what it's for

cyan smelt
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Pretty cool how encore goes through sub

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Encore disable sure is a pain for Zama

solid frigate
solid frigate
near crag
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Oh, okay

tiny karmaBOT
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Greninja's moveset:
Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Aerial Ace, Bounce, Brick Break, Brutal Swing, Counter, Cut, Dig, Dive, Facade, False Swipe, Feint Attack, Fling, Frustration, Giga Impact, Gunk Shot, Ice Punch, Lick, Liquidation, Low Kick, Low Sweep, Night Slash, Pound, Power-Up Punch, Quick Attack, Retaliate, Return, Rock Slide, Rock Smash, Rock Tomb, Secret Power, Shadow Sneak, Smack Down, Strength, Take Down, Thief, Trailblaze, U-turn, Upper Hand, Waterfall

Special Moves

Blizzard, Bubble, Chilling Water, Dark Pulse, Echoed Voice, Extrasensory, Grass Knot, Hidden Power, Hydro Cannon, Hydro Pump, Hyper Beam, Ice Beam, Icy Wind, Mud Shot, Mud-Slap, Round, Scald, Sludge Wave, Snore, Surf, Swift, Tera Blast, Water Gun, Water Pledge, Water Pulse, Water Shuriken, Weather Ball

Status Moves

Attract, Bestow, Camouflage, Confide, Double Team, Endure, Growl, Happy Hour, Haze, Helping Hand, Mat Block, Mind Reader, Mud Sport, Protect, Rain Dance, Rest, Role Play, Sleep Talk, Smokescreen, Snatch, Snowscape, Spikes, Spite, Substitute, Swagger, Switcheroo, Swords Dance, Taunt, Toxic, Toxic Spikes, Water Sport, Work Up

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Greninja.

real prairie
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You'd think as your favourite mon you'd know @solid frigate 😉

solid frigate
real prairie
left bobcat
foggy lodge
bold geode
near crag
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It had 172 in both attack and speed, and it was jolly, but idk how to check what it does

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Cuz I’m divided between that and 252 252

bold geode
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Ummm
Just run some general damage calcs to see something it can do

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I wouldn't go max max tbh
Some bulk is a tiny bit appreciated tbh

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Plus there's nothing you really accomplish by going max max

craggy dagger
near crag
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Jolly or modest bikes?

craggy dagger
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lemme check the calcs again-

craggy dagger
near crag
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Ight, appreciate it!

bold geode
craggy dagger
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i remember it cuz i used his spread for the coaching team i made

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+2 252 SpA Calyrex-Shadow Astral Barrage vs. 132 HP / 28 SpD Zacian-Crowned: 157-186 (85.3 - 101%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Calyrex-Ice High Horsepower vs. 132 HP / 4 Def Zacian-Crowned: 126-150 (68.4 - 81.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

+1 172 Atk Zacian-Crowned Behemoth Blade vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Calyrex-Ice: 192-228 (92.7 - 110.1%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
i think
these are the significant calcs?
ionno
we'll have to wait until he comes back though

left bobcat
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Nah cuz

spiral ridge
valid pasture
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Trying to make doubles team with arcanine(regular form) but I don't know which pokemon goes well with it

left bobcat
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Rilla

real prairie
dense latch
real prairie
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ANOTHER LUDICOLO TEAM!

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oh its the one that got shared in here that we had to dodgy translate

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that archaludon spread would make @mighty stump cry

left bobcat
foggy lodge
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I played a mirror

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Of the sash CSR and pao lorb team

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And it was so silly

left bobcat
valid pasture
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Trying to make doubles team with arcanine(regular form) but I don't know which pokemon goes well with it

real prairie
spiral ridge
spiral ridge
foggy lodge
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We lead the same thing the 3 games

spiral ridge
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Lmfao

real prairie
foggy lodge
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Pao Shifu lead game 1, Hands Shifu game 2 and CSR hands game 3

spiral ridge
real prairie
spiral ridge
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How it looks all pretty and shit

foggy lodge
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It's the style of Sw/Sh yeah

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The Archaludon sprite is not official because yeah

spiral ridge
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Gotcha
Wasn’t around then to know but the typing symbols made me think it

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Someone made a third party for it?

spiral ridge
foggy lodge
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probably to survive something like CC lol

spiral ridge
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Was gonna say it being so defense and not spdef or hp it must be specifically for someone

foggy lodge
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Almost full speed full def

spiral ridge
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Mhm

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It’s interesting

chrome knot
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boldpagos gaming

spiral ridge
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my procrastinator ass is finally watching EUIC GardeSip
time to zone out and just watch vgc

chrome knot
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its been like 2 weeks

spiral ridge
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i know

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neither weekend has been good

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ive been sick the entire time

near crag
chrome knot
spiral ridge
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uh

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yeah(?)

chrome knot
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ye

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:3

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sry im bored waiting to see doctor lmfao

spiral ridge
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pft

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take care at doctors

chrome knot
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yup i get to find out wtf to do when the only hrt doctor in the city retirws

spiral ridge
chrome knot
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big fan of bulk lando

near crag
next stump
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it is simpler to use

near crag
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But is it better?

chrome knot
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start with using max max, if you find it to be unoptimal then start changing it

next stump
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debatable both ways

chrome knot
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^

next stump
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yes ^

near crag
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I’ve been using it for a while now, peaked at like top 40, but I noticed it got OHKOed too frequently, so I’m wondering if the extra bulk would be better or just diminish the value it gets by just going faster and hitting harder

chrome knot
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ohkod by what

near crag
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I will be honest, I don’t remember, but stuff out of just specs Draco, surging, or spout

chrome knot
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great thats not helpful

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all of these kill regardless of anything you do

near crag
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Let’s say barrage

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Or lance

chrome knot
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thats 4x effective ur not living that either without tera

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barrage u can calc for tho

near crag
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Lance on Tera, my bad here

chrome knot
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tera what

near crag
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I was poison

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Thinking about going water

tiny karmaBOT
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Move: Detect

The user is protected from most attacks made by other Pokemon during this turn. This move has a 1/X chance of being successful, where X starts at 1 and triples each time this move is successfully used. X resets to 1 if this move fails, if the user's last move used is not Baneful Bunker, Burning Bulwark, Detect, Endure, King's Shield, Max Guard, Obstruct, Protect, Quick Guard, Silk Trap, Spiky Shield, or Wide Guard, or if it was one of those moves and the user's protection was broken. Fails if the user moves last this turn.

Type

Fighting

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

PP (max)

5 (8)

Priority

4

Move Flags

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Contact

Does not make contact.

solid frigate
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idk why its 8 pp compare to the usual 16

spiral ridge
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yeah i just noticed that it surprised me while watching

solid frigate
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i can understand Spiky shield

real prairie
chrome knot
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to make ursh dark have all 8s in the sash set

solid frigate
chrome knot
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how many times can you sucker punch love

real prairie
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2 encores and its struggling lol

solid frigate
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i mean you said all 8s

chrome knot
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ok so

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why would sucker punch change anything

solid frigate
real prairie
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I won a game on SD last week where i just encore locked the last 2 mons with Ludicolo into suckerpunch and i spammed fakeout until the encores ended lol

spiral ridge
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since arch isnt swsh

real prairie
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Ooooo

spiral ridge
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ah thats where gotcha

chrome knot
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oh great heavens

solid frigate
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i still need to download it-

chrome knot
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protect the kids and use fun stuff like nerdofnow, vgcmulticalc, munchstats & statcrusherGiggleHehe

spiral ridge
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i just click buttons and play fun game numbers hurt :)

chrome knot
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drool on controller like a toddler pov

spiral ridge
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:)

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ive just never actually sat down and needed to make own spread

steep bone
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Saw this team and i liked the play. Anyone got a similar one where I can see the EV pastes of it?

chrome knot
left bobcat
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Pfffffft

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That’s cap

spiral ridge
# chrome knot bc 90% of them come from me xd

100% of my spreads come from taking from past teams in folder that were originally named after who gave them
but after a few generations of not naming the new teams
yeah probably

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you
shit monkey has given me i actually got a couple from him
and one or two from leo but you said leo took from you kekhands

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all wraps around

left bobcat
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What do you call an elephant that doesn’t matter?

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Irrelephant

solid frigate
steep bone
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I wonder how this works yeah lol

solid frigate
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its just disruption against Opposing team (Geezing Neutralising Gas)

Specfically Prankster TW or Prankster as awhole

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cuz Prankster Mons rely on their Abilities

steep bone
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Is there any similar team I can look at for builds?

valid pasture
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Team for arcanine for doubles please. I want to use my favorite pokemon in comp

mint void
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its defo worse but kinda similar?

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idk u probs have to find a role for it as Espeed intim user

valid pasture
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Alright thank you

real prairie
next stump
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▶ Play video
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gotta make their $100 from SWSH + DLC 😄

spiral ridge
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:(

real prairie
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Shiny available yet?

next stump
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i dont believe so

real prairie
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wont be long

spiral ridge
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worlds gift trust (PLEASE MAKE IT FREE AND EASY LIKE THAT)

next stump
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yeah but they're going to have to allow you to transfer it for it to matter

dense latch
foggy lodge
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And some genies

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And the frog

spiral ridge
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god i got so confused who you meant by frog and i had to remember that cursed fucking heatran image to realize

dense latch
foggy lodge
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lmao

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You don't have Sw/Sh?

dense latch
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i do i just kinda wanted to shiny hunt it

foggy lodge
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Atleast you actually can reset IVs on Legends Arceus

foggy lodge
mint void
foggy lodge
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Someone on another server was searching for a 0 atk Landorus in sw/sh and got the shiny before 0 atk lmao

mint void
dense latch
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i caught it in legends arceus so i could shiny hunt it in swsh

mint void
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Oh ok yeah

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I still have to hunt genies in swsh

dense latch
foggy lodge
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Drip > optimization

spiral ridge
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yeah take the shiny any day lol

dense latch
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i’d only really care if it was caly shadow

dense latch
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tbf tho i got my shiny eleki before i got into comp

foggy lodge
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God bless physical sweepers because they are the easiest to shiny hunt and don't care about IVs lol

polar canyon
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Hi chat

spiral ridge
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second they make a spa based move
so many peoples mons are gonna suffer

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why havent they actuall

polar canyon
spiral ridge
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genuinely i would be scared if they did cus a9 and bax both were fairly scary reg H so id be worried how much that could grow

polar canyon
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I do believe its a possibility because I'm pretty sure sv was being developed before pla was released

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So maybe in gen 10 we do get freeze to frostbite rework

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It's scary for stuff like atales but it would be nice to at least have more pressure on special attackers when the threat to get burned for physical attackers is always there

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I think that would be a nice balance

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Special attackers also not being threatened by any equivalent of intimidate or foul play or rocky helmet or spiky shield at all

craggy dagger
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huh?

polar canyon
# craggy dagger huh?

I'm saying I think bringing the freeze rework from legends arceus to mainline games would be cool

craggy dagger
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oh
that would be good-
but like
if we did, wouldn’t we need an entire separate move that’s a status and has a chance to apply frostbite

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cuz wisp-

polar canyon
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Yeah that too

spiral ridge
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I would only be sad if it’s just like mirrors if everything
Like the based on Spa is dark too
I think making em unique so they aren’t just mirrors would be nice

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Maybe unbalanced as one could be better than other but variety at least

polar canyon
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Like when thinking about it I always only thought about "man special attackers don't even have to care about intimidate/foul play" but there's actually so many other mechanics that only affect phys moves and I can't think of one mechanic that exclusively applies to special

spiral ridge
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Light screen poliwhirlkek

polar canyon
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I guess

craggy dagger
spiral ridge
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Shitty exception lol

craggy dagger
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actually
when was the phys/special split-

dense latch
craggy dagger
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it was gen 4 right-?

left bobcat
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Yes

dense latch
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yea gen 4

polar canyon
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If you count less common stuff there's like, perish body, gooey, that one spiky ball item

left bobcat
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Perish body?

polar canyon
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Lots of variations of protect now

craggy dagger
tiny karmaBOT
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Ability: Perish Body

Making contact with this Pokemon starts the Perish Song effect for it and the attacker. This effect does not happen for this Pokemon if the attacker already has a perish count.

polar canyon
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Cursola

craggy dagger
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cursed body still exists-
i think that’s what it’s called

polar canyon
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Perish body is real

spiral ridge
polar canyon
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Remember cursola?

dense latch
polar canyon
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From swsh didn't make the cut to sv or legends arceus

dense latch
spiral ridge
polar canyon
spiral ridge
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yeah oops

craggy dagger
polar canyon
left bobcat
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I agree

polar canyon
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If not just outspeeding opposing tr calyrex out of tr

left bobcat
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118 speed for caly ice

polar canyon
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Ok that's a lot

left bobcat
craggy dagger
polar canyon
craggy dagger
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doesn’t caly ice max speed go up to 112 without tailwind?

left bobcat
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You gotta see THE VISION

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And to make it more annoying let’s just slap an assault vest on caly ice

polar canyon
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I get it I do I was running 172 speed weezing in reg d

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But like if you know what you calculated that speed for

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I had a reason for turbo weezing

left bobcat
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That being?

polar canyon
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I think it was like 1 point faster than my ursaluna blood moon so it could use acid spray before it

left bobcat
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Ohhhhh

polar canyon
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And that ursa had speed for some gholdengo spread I don't remember now

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It was like, faster than modest scarf if it was in tailwind? I think

left bobcat
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Why not just use fezandipiti

polar canyon
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While living a timid scarf tera hit

polar canyon
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Actually it was reg g not d sorry

left bobcat
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Was?

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It’s still reg g

polar canyon
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Idk I don't remember the letters

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Late 2024 I think its h right

left bobcat
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Oh reg h

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Ugh back when everything was beat up annihilape

polar canyon
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Weezing was really fun there bc it invalidated peli archa lead and you could lead into ape with ability shield incin + weezing and intimidate ignoring defiant

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One of my favorite teams

left bobcat
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Can’t tell if it was better or worse

polar canyon
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Better solely because I had perfect meta counterplay now idk what to do

polar canyon
foggy lodge
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Lmao

polar canyon
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Well it did when that regulation was a thing

foggy lodge
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I kinda want another lower power level format

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On another gen tho

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With new mons and gimmick I don't want scale shot mirrors again

polar canyon
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I miss sinistcha being good, 80% of the mons that threaten it were banned in reg h

foggy lodge
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Yeah it loses badly against most restricteds

polar canyon
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And minor legends

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And paradoxes

spiral ridge
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sinistchga is a cool mon

foggy lodge
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CSR, CIR, Koraidon, Groudon

spiral ridge
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id like another reg H if it was with diff mon pool i gotta agree

foggy lodge
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Chien-Pao, Chi-Yu, Flutter, Roaring Moon

polar canyon
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Like, no tornadus no flutter no chien pao no cir no csr no koraidon no groudon no single strike urshifu

left bobcat
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Walking wake

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Let’s sneak that in there

foggy lodge
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I want to play reg B or something like that

spiral ridge
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it was fun cus new archetypes came even late into the reg while G its been pretty same
althought thats prob because its reg G 2

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reg G 1 new stuff came out more often

polar canyon
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It took a while but when I came up with my own answer to big archa the regulation was super fun to me

spiral ridge
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thats realk i used gallade sacred sword for a while lol

polar canyon
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And it was extra fun to lead into peli + archaludon with neutralizing gas

foggy lodge
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Eh some cool new teams were created with reg G 2

spiral ridge
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i loveddd gallade first half of H

foggy lodge
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Its cool seeing Gouging Fire again

spiral ridge
foggy lodge
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Ah yeah

spiral ridge
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the new stuff this Reg hasnt been bad i just mean completely new stuff

craggy dagger
polar canyon
spiral ridge
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fast psyspam.
zard sun.
im blanking on new stuff that came out late reg H

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P2 ursa but that was more like halfway

left bobcat
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The cheese 😫

foggy lodge
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If I had to play Reg H agains I would play Arubega rain lol

spiral ridge
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OH GARCHOMP VIVI

foggy lodge
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It was such a cool team

spiral ridge
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I USED THAT HOW COULD I FORGET

foggy lodge
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I was a believer in Archa Pelipper Sinistcha and people said nah Amoonguss better

spiral ridge
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im genuinely glad dozogiri was quite toned down due ot people prepping for it the entire reg lmfao

craggy dagger
left bobcat
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Foongus better

craggy dagger
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amoongus will always be present and plentiful when nobody knows the meta

foggy lodge
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Dozogiri is stronger in reg G

craggy dagger
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or if the meta is always shifting every week

foggy lodge
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Mainly because its impossible to prep for anything in this format

spiral ridge
left bobcat
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Bozoskibidi tatsussy

foggy lodge
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For Dozogiri you could just slap a haze

polar canyon
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Wonder how good dozogiri is gonna be in vgc pocket

foggy lodge
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Now you can't

polar canyon
craggy dagger
spiral ridge
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i think in this reg each mon NEEDS its 4 its genuinely hard to replace anything with haze
especially a mon that has haze

left bobcat
spiral ridge
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like most mons movepool are very limited cus they gotta be best chopice in this reg

real prairie
spiral ridge
foggy lodge
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Like Murkrow, Dragonite, Primarina, clear smog Amoonguss

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You actually had options for haze in the format

spiral ridge
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oh yeah sus could maybe squeez in clear smog this reg

polar canyon
foggy lodge
polar canyon
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I don't wanna go back to weakness policy dmax meta

foggy lodge
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Yuta Ishigaki used it at worlds

spiral ridge
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oh rly sick

left bobcat
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Sick 🤒

spiral ridge
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i mean lots of NP and CM around its not a bad tech in the slightest

real prairie
spiral ridge
real prairie
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Personally I never want to see dynamax or z moves ever again

foggy lodge
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Yeah and like if you force a tera on Zama you can use clear smog

spiral ridge
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Dmax would just bring dogs back more than ever

foggy lodge
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Or just delete buffs on the Calyrexs

spiral ridge
foggy lodge
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It has way more usable situations

left bobcat
polar canyon
spiral ridge
polar canyon
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Tera at least we know the conditions for it to work can be made artificially

spiral ridge
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its funny enough to admit but also embarassing lol

polar canyon
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Wym you've almost been sick

spiral ridge
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almost for 2 weeks

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is what i maent

polar canyon
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Ah

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You'll get used to it I'm sick for basically 50% of my lifetime

left bobcat
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Like a good neighbor

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Calyrex is there

spiral ridge
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its not the worst its just it comes specifically at night and doesnt stop coughing til close to 2 am so i get no sleep

polar canyon
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Ikr

spiral ridge
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and i couldnt sleep in on weekends to recover and my parents have vendetta on napping so im just kinda here barely alive and awake :)

polar canyon
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It's my nose and sneezing for me

spiral ridge
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oh dude my nose

polar canyon
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I mean not to be disrespectful I hope you get better

polar canyon
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It's just that I can relate

spiral ridge
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you havent been disrespectful lol its fine

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ive been having noise issues too but too gross to say 😭

polar canyon
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I just started sleeping anyways

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Waking up with a sore throat from mouth breathing all night sometimes

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At least I get sleep if I just do that

spiral ridge
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good you get sleep love

spiral ridge
# left bobcat

dude this legit saved me once i should see if we have some but dont think so

polar canyon
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Well I hope you get better soon

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Bc I know exactly what it's like

spiral ridge
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thanks i fucking hope so too 😭

polar canyon
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I've been starting to get sick a lot less ever since I started working out and exercising have you looked into that

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If you do that already hope that helps you improve soon too

left bobcat
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I barely get sick

polar canyon
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I absolutely hate exercise but it's worth the relief of having a lot more energy and getting sick a lot less often

spiral ridge
polar canyon
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Chicken soup

spiral ridge
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tho ill be honest id rather filipino food again its so good why is the closest thing 30 minutes away

spiral ridge
polar canyon
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Oh we don't do that around here

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I must be the only person in like a 1000 mile radius who doesn't like corn

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Or popcorn

spiral ridge
#

all the caldo recipes seem to be it

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one thing
i have the soap cilantro gene

left bobcat
#

🧼

spiral ridge
#

so lots of hispanic dishes i just
cant eat unless i ask every time

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cus no one lists cilantro as an ingredient for what the order is no one thinks that

spiral ridge
#

yes?

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tf does that image mean 😭

left bobcat
spiral ridge
#

man i cant alter my gentics thats only on like corn and shit for now

left bobcat
#

Burgers

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You know I just realized something about ZA

bold geode
atomic mural
#

breathe air

left bobcat
#

Also Nuh uh cuz look at weezing

mint void
#

Ngl ig Tyranitars typing didnt suck into Kyogre, Groudon AND koraidon it wouldn't be that useless rn.

mint void
#

Tf that supposed to mean

atomic mural
mint void
spiral ridge
#

Sadly don’t agree

atomic mural
cyan smelt
#

Coriander tastes like soap for me

limber marsh
#

ok hear me out. regigigas as a mixed trick room attacker using slow start to make him slow af

tiny karmaBOT
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Ability: Slow Start

On switch-in, this Pokemon's Attack and Speed are halved for 5 turns.

cyan smelt
#

Crippled attack then intimidate bait

tiny karmaBOT
#
Pokémon No. 486: Regigigas
Type

Normal

Abilities

Slow Start

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

110/160/110/80/110/100

Total

670

next stump
#

80 spa oof

limber marsh
#

it would kinda be a good at a few things, great at nothing

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except, you also have a weezing on the team, so you have an alternate mode of just regi beats

#

is there a good argument for any non restricted trick room setter other than the giraffe rn?

cyan smelt
#

Indeedee

limber marsh
#

i guess indeedee is propably better into miraidon

spiral ridge
#

Iron valiant

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But I think that’s always only with CIR?

left bobcat
limber marsh
left bobcat
#

They’ll never see it coming

chrome knot
limber marsh
#

somebady wanna help me test the team?

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vgc reg g of course

left bobcat
polar canyon
#

Next legends game after za gonna be a first person shooter

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Looks like legends is gonna be the series where all the games are some new experimentation and different battle mechanics

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I mean it's not completely impossible that like idk some legends games has a totally unexpected replacement to battles

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Legends meloetta and all the battles are rhythm based dance battles

spiral ridge
#

I mean
ZA just seems like an expanded pla no?

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It seemed like same idea but more developed rather than whole new idea

shadow wind
#

Yeah the battle turn order was already getting changed with agile and strong styles this is just a step up

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At least with the battle system

spiral ridge
#

Yeah

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I’d say if anything they gonna add environmental stuff

chrome knot
#

sonfiedm

#

i wanna pway vgc bruh why cant it be saturday already

spiral ridge
left bobcat
#

I’m gonna squabble up with zygarde in the streets

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In front of a coffee shop

night flax
#

ik this isnt the right chat i just need some feedback on a kilowattrel build i did, please no hate im not a big competitive person
Kilowatrel - modest - competitive - leafovers / focus Sash | Ev's : SpAtk 252 - Spe 252
Thunderbolt
Air Slash
Volt switch
Tailwind / Roost

shadow wind
#

Well depending on what it’s being used for it might be good

shadow wind
#

Like base game play?

night flax
#

yes

shadow wind
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Focus sash is a one time use item so it isn’t always the best for that

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Something like life orb might be better to give it more of an oomph

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Other than that it looks fine

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It could also be a timid nature just to fully utilize that speed stat

night flax
#

alrighty, thank you so much

shadow wind
#

Course

night flax
#

idk if i wanna run life orb tho respectfully, i have a greninja using it on my team and i dont like using the same item for 2 pokes

shadow wind
#

Completely fair

night flax
#

would leaftovers , tailwind be good? or leftovers , roost

shadow wind
#

Probably leftovers tailwind

night flax
#

sorry if im making it complicated

shadow wind
#

Leftovers roost is a lot of healing but Kilo is extremely frail

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And tailwind is what it does good

#

So I’d say leftovers tailwind if you’re really set on leftovers

shadow wind
night flax
#

alright

night flax
gentle cragBOT
shadow wind
#

I would suggest an offensive item to get the most out of Kilo but that’s just me

#

If you want to go bulkier be my guest

#

Air slash flinches on a fat mon is frustrating

night flax
#

what would u do?

shadow wind
#

Well I did suggest lorb but since that’s off the table probably expert belt or magnet

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Since flying/electric hits a decent amount of types expert belt could work

night flax
#

what does magnet do? im still fairly new to pokemon

shadow wind
#

1.2x boost to electric type moves

#

Life orb is 1.3x to all moves for reference

night flax
#

oh dang

#

i could do greninja expert belt and kilowattrel lorb

#

i might honestly do lorb on kilowattrel now

shadow wind
#

If the greninja has good coverage it might be worth it

night flax
#

my greninja build is liquidation , gunkshot , u-turn and swords dance with jolly , protean hp 252 atk 252

shadow wind
#

I would ditch u turn, especially if you’re setting up a swords dance

night flax
#

alright,

#

competitive builds hurt man GengarSad

#

what do u suggest for u-turn's replacement?

astral kelp
#

this is like just shuckle stats

shadow wind
#

If he has any dark physical moves that

#

Maybe night slash if he has that?

astral kelp
#

i wonder if it lives like +1 astral barrage

shadow wind
#

Depends if it’s lorb or not

#

Also I would suggest putting some stats into his HP

#

On a mon with such low base HP any extra HP helps a lot

astral kelp
shadow wind
#

The defenses are already so high that they have diminishing returns

night flax
astral kelp
#

252+ SpA Life Orb Calyrex-Shadow Astral Barrage vs. 252 HP / 172 SpD Eviolite Dusclops: 120-143 (81.6 - 97.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
so yea it needs 172 spd to live it

shadow wind
night flax
#

sry again im tryna wrap my head around, if i run lord on kilowattrel would i run tailwind or roost?

shadow wind
#

It’s singles so probably roost

#

Tailwind has little place in singles just for how short of a time it lasts

#

Of course there’s situations where it’s amazing but those are very rare

night flax
#

singles and gameplay aswell

shadow wind
#

Most of gameplay is singles is what I meant

night flax
#

oh my fault

shadow wind
#

Nah you good

#

It’s hard to specify without saying

mighty stump
night flax
#

i have S/V's ghost type gym leader in my head so i was automatically thinking u were talking abt competitive singles

mighty stump
#

Nerds

#

Imagine playing competitive

shadow wind
#

Bro don’t tell me to go get a job

#

Ion wanna think about that

mighty stump
night flax
shadow wind
#

I got another 3 months until I need to get a job alright

astral kelp
#

is glastiar restricted?

mighty stump
#

Imagine being UNEMPLOYED!

shadow wind
mighty stump
shadow wind
#

My man

astral kelp
#

huh

night flax
mighty stump
#

I like having money

shadow wind
#

That’s actually so real

night flax
#

thats fair

astral kelp
#

so theoretically is this allowed lmfao

shadow wind
#

Yes

astral kelp
#

THATS SO DUMB HASHAHA

shadow wind
#

Me when Volcarona

forest arrow
#

Money good

#

Hi tofu

#

Hope you’re well GengHeart

astral kelp
#

wait can glastrier run eviolite or is it a separate thing

shadow wind
#

Separate

mighty stump
astral kelp
mighty stump
#

Really stretching that “moderately”

shadow wind
#

I’ve seen people run AV Glastrier

mighty stump
#

Clops/Glastrier can be more efficient slots imo

astral kelp
#

caly-i is literally just straight up better glastrier

astral kelp
shadow wind
#

If the horses had the signature moves I’d argue that

#

Cause Glastrier is slower

astral kelp
#

oh they dont have spear

shadow wind
#

Which in TR terms is a buff

#

Still undersped by Tork and Hatt

#

But yknow

astral kelp
#

you can outspeed among us

#

thats kinda nice

shadow wind
#

Isn’t it a speed tie?

night flax
gentle cragBOT
shadow wind
#

Yeah they’re both 30

astral kelp
#

does among usually run - speed nature - speed ivs

shadow wind
shadow wind
#

Can’t be 100% sure but whenever I run Amoonguss I run that

astral kelp
#

idk i feel like youd want it to outspeed some stuff at least

#

but ig outspeeding stuff in trick room is more important

shadow wind
#

There’s almost nothing that falls in that 30-50 range

#

Usually it’s all 50

#

CIR, Iron hands, Ursaluna

#

Just to name a few

astral kelp
#

its pretty much only hattarena aznd toarkal yea

shadow wind
#

I guess Ursa doesn’t matter though

astral kelp
#

i woulda tried this as a team

#

because its really fucking funny

#

you prolly cant run caly cand caly ice anyways

shadow wind
#

Yeah that’s a no no

#

It’s like Cosmog and Lunala can’t be on the same team

charred saddle
#

calyrex is restrictred

#

so cant bring that

#

only 1

astral kelp
#

bro wtf why does caly ice only learn 2 physical ice moves

shadow wind
#

Cause it’s a form

#

Forms get shafted

#

But also not really

astral kelp
#

i mean just caly*

#

glastrier ****

shadow wind
#

Oh that, there’s not a lot of ice moves

astral kelp
#

lets make a physical ice type

#

but only give it icicle crash and fucking avalanche lol

shadow wind
#

What you wanna give it ice punch?

#

Or Ice spinner?

#

It’s a fat horse with hooves

#

It ain’t doing any of that

#

Look at Kyurem black’s physical ice moves

astral kelp
#

i assume at least icicle crashj

shadow wind
#

He does not learn that

#

He learns

Ice fang
Avalanche
Icicle spear
Freeze shock

astral kelp
#

icicle spear is decent

shadow wind
#

And I believe that’s it for physical ice moves

shadow wind
astral kelp
#

actually yeah

shadow wind
#

Which for a Mon that also has scale shot it’s good but incineroar becomes his father

astral kelp
#

all his good ice moves force him to run a specific item

shadow wind
#

Pretty much

#

Tera ice tera blast ‼️‼️‼️

astral kelp
#

LOL THATS UNIRONICALLY THE BEST ICE TYPE MOVE IT LEARNS HAHAHA

#

jeez this pokemon fucking sucks

shadow wind
#

Other than the fact it has to stay an ice type

#

A fate worse than death

astral kelp
#

its like

#

completely ass typing + completely ass move pool

#

170 atk is pretty crazy tho

shadow wind
#

I hit 1500 on ladder with it

#

Man that Mon sucked

shadow wind
#

To put it into perspective

astral kelp
#

lol this is unironically a better attacker

shadow wind
#

Wait till he misses every move

astral kelp
#

252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Rock Rampardos Head Smash vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Calyrex-Ice: 400-472 (193.2 - 228%) -- guaranteed OHKO

#

AHHAHA thats funny\

#

even rock slide one shots

shadow wind
#

Sheer force is pretty crazy

#

Instead of band lorb would technically be better

#

Just to pair with sheer force better

astral kelp
#

oh true it denies it i forgot about that

#

wait does it increase the damage of normal moves if youre running lorb

shadow wind
#

Sheer force no, lorb yes. It also makes you take recoil

shadow wind
#

Sheer force has no effect on moves without a secondary effect

astral kelp
#

ic

shadow wind
#

But lorb will still do the extra damage with recoil

astral kelp
#

hm would this work

shadow wind
#

Go something like fire punch

#

Or thunder punch

#

The punches have secondary effects

#

Same with stone edge

astral kelp
#

does supercell slam count?

shadow wind
#

I don’t believe so

#

Because it’s just recoil, not para or something

astral kelp
#

wait does this count

#

oh i see

shadow wind
#

Man I remember reading something on that but I cannot remember

#

99% sure it doesn’t work like that though

astral kelp
#

it stops life orb recoil tho thats whats confusing me

shadow wind
#

Only moves with secondary effects

#

So head smash would make you take lorb recoil

#

But rock slide would not because sheer force is getting used

astral kelp
#

does this 4 remaining thing frustrate the shit out ofg anyone else

shadow wind
#

I don’t think he needs any physical defense

#

I would go 252 HP and some spdef

#

Then you get to use all the evs

astral kelp
#

alrigh

#

alright lets try this lol

#

LOL NEW TINKATON MODEL HAHAH

shadow wind
#

Why no protect on Caly?

astral kelp
#

forgor 💀

#

no way this guy trick rooms in front of rampardos

#

lol its so dumb

#

like rampardos is kind of a glass canon beast

#

i prolly shouldnt do tera rock tho

#

rock is kind of a mid offensive type

#

maybe tera dark crunch to deal with the calyrexes

shadow wind
#

We got some gooders here yeah

#

I guess that depends on what “really good” entails

#

There’s definitely people here that can do that for ya

#

I’ll help tomorrow if you haven’t gotten any help just cause I gotta sleep but I bet someone will help before then

#

There’s a guy here who loves Ludicolo, bet he’d help

solid frigate
shadow wind
#

What do you need this for anyway?

#

Ah ok

solid frigate
#

Ok then everyone here can be gym leader lmao

plain drum
solid frigate
#

i guess conner can help on Ladder while i at least have Irl event Experience

shadow wind
#

I mean I got an account that’s at like 1250 bo1 right now like 11-1 I think? If you want it you can have it

#

I never set passwords for accounts like that anyway

#

Sounds good to me

solid frigate
#

Whats the team for yours

shadow wind
#

Isn’t that pretty random?

#

Wouldn’t non random be current gen?

#

Ohhhh

#

How active is gen8 natdex?

solid frigate
#

VGC would be more impressive for them

Especially its way harder than Natdex

shadow wind
#

VGC yippee !!

#

If you’re coming here for help the help you’ll receive will most likely be VGC just cause that’s what we focus on usually

#

Do you need to make your own team or can you use pre-made ones?

#

Ok good

plain drum
#

Yeah

shadow wind
#

Eh depends on the team, there’s some pretty famous teams but like, team building sucks to learn

#

Yknow that’s fair I think

#

That’s why I offered an alt I don’t care about

#

It doesn’t even have a password to it

#

If you gotta actually battle though it’s a pretty bad method

#

It’s like lying on a job resume

solid frigate
#

you need to learn how to battle honestly so yeah not recommended

#

VGC would have lesser stall strats but setups still exists

plain drum
#

Me looking at my Terapagos

solid frigate
plain drum
#

Setup

shadow wind
#

Dondozo 😔

solid frigate
#

yeah i know thats why i said setup still here

plain drum
#

If you just need any ladder, Hackmons is fun

shadow wind
#

How advanced is that ladder though?

#

Cause 1300 is very different across showdown

plain drum
#

Does it have to be advanced, this venture doesn't sound like it's worth anything

shadow wind
#

I’m just saying it’s probably easier to hit 1300 in VGC Reg G than Frantic Fusions

solid frigate
#

If you have CSR yeah id say that

shadow wind
#

Well you’re just doing this for a requirement, sounds like you don’t want to fully pursue ladder grinding

plain drum
#

I'm being honest, from what you've told us yourself that role you're after isn't carrying a lot behind it in terms of requirement and it seems you're willing to try and breeze through a format instead of learning it

shadow wind
#

What do these gym leaders do anyway?

plain drum
#

Then it sounds like you should be pursuing something else but that's just me

solid frigate
#

hell i am an Elite 4 in my other server

shadow wind
solid frigate
#

vgc is unrelated to Smogon

solid frigate
shadow wind
#

Valid argument

plain drum
#

Well if you don't like Smogon, VGC is your best bet

#

Singles formats aren't going to be your friend

shadow wind
#

I’m now realizing I would’ve gone 10-0 on that account if I didn’t misclick when making the team

#

Hyper beam and hyper voice are incredibly different moves

shadow wind
#

I love Z moves

plain drum
#

Twinkle Tackle my beloved

shadow wind
#

I love item based gimmicks

#

Makes a Pokémon sacrifice something

solid frigate
#

me love hydro vortex

For obvious reasons

cyan smelt
plain drum
#

It takes some sort of balance to have gimmick overlap, it just depends on if GameFreak is willing to try it

shadow wind
#

Parental bond tera normal fake out finna do 100% damage

plain drum
#

I would personally rather see this

shadow wind
#

I want mega gigantamax tera fire Charizard Z

#

Mega Z stone

#

For Z moves and Mega Zard Z

plain drum
#

Someone more experienced would have to tell me if power creep is an issue, like in my mind I'm not sure how statwise Megas compare to D/G-Maxed mons

#

If they can stand across from each other then it's fine

shadow wind
#

Primals were like that

#

I didn’t play competitive back when megas were around so my takes on it all have no backing but I feel like they were super busted

#

And cause they don’t have a time limit

#

There weren’t any moves that hit megas for double

#

I mean

#

Adaptability

#

That or Z moves

#

In OTS though it’s chill

#

Chiller than Tera imo

#

I hate tera with a passion

#

Really cool gimmick but man, competitively it just turns everything into a slosh pit

#

The only constant in my Pokémon has died

#

The type chart means nothing when you can become a fairy

#

It makes the Calyrexes so incredibly broken

#

Unless your name is Terapagos I guess

plain drum
shadow wind
#

Then you get to play the game normally with a clear all button once a game

cyan smelt
#

Until you get cc'ed or drain punched

plain drum
#

What were you looking to play

shadow wind
#

I would say VGC is the most applicable format but that’s also me being incredibly biased

solid frigate
shadow wind
#

You and everyone else

plain drum
#

VGC maybe wouldn't take you too long to hit your ELO target, low ladder in my experience can be breezy

shadow wind
#

Do you mean world champ for real or a discord role that is elo locked?

#

I like the drive

solid frigate
#

I would not be too greedy imo but up to you

plain drum
#

There's a certain patient mindset you'd want to have tbh

shadow wind
#

I don’t know if dreams would be considered “greedy”

plain drum
#

As long as you have your expectations in check that's what counts

shadow wind
#

I was hard stuck on winning and nothing else for the better part of a year and a half and let me tell you, mindset is key

cyan smelt
#

i used to get super salty after losses now i'm a better sport

shadow wind
#

Just recently I’ve had to take a step back and learn from my failures instead of trying over and over again

#

See if I have all my self worth on my Elo, my elo should go up right?

#

😔

cyan smelt
#

conner have you ever considered using scream tail

shadow wind
#

Yeah

#

And I did use it

cyan smelt
#

scream tail seems fun

#

gravity groudon seems fun

shadow wind
#

Does scream tail get gravity?

cyan smelt
#

nope

shadow wind
#

Gravity Groudon is overrated in my opinion

#

Just have a safer secondary option like high horse power

cyan smelt
#

idk i just want an excuse to use my boy yanmega

shadow wind
#

Totally fair, use your favourites. You’ll play better with them

cyan smelt
#

tbh i've been having mixed results using skeledirge

plain drum
#

Pikachu

cyan smelt
#

i'm steadily climbing bo3 ladder but my elo is not fantastic

shadow wind
#

I was thinking Flareon but Pikachu is a good guess

plain drum
#

We know we're just fucking around

shadow wind
cyan smelt
#

1240 bo3 so far

shadow wind
#

Bo3 is a lot harder than Bo1

solid frigate
#

I didn’t even bother to gribd Bo3 cuz Bham regionals already cooked me

shadow wind
#

It’s also just incredibly different so don’t be disappointed if you aren’t as high as you wanna be

#

My favourites are

cyan smelt
#

eh i'm managing my expectations these days

shadow wind
#

Groudon
Groudon
Groudon
Groudon
Groudon

plain drum
#

If you go the VGC route what kind of team would you be interested in learning to play? Something balanced for starters or something a little more gimmicky? We have recommendations for each

shadow wind
#

My expectations are always way way too high

#

I’ve had a very humbling career

solid frigate
#

Smogon Tiers are innacurate towards VGC meta

shadow wind
#

But man those peaks. When you hit em you feel like a god

solid frigate
cyan smelt
#

it's challenging to play against miraidon teams but i feel like i'm slowly getting the hang of it

shadow wind
solid frigate
#

I could but i need to go to University expo

shadow wind
#

GXE on the other hand is a good measure in my opinion

solid frigate
shadow wind
#

Oh 100%

#

Tournaments will always beat out ladder experience

#

Even limitless tours are better

cyan smelt
#

i wanted to enter a regional which is on this weekend but i wasn't feeling it mentally

shadow wind
#

Probably a good call then

#

You know yourself better than anyone else

solid frigate
#

Miraidon Crown moment

shadow wind
#

Miraidon is really cool

cyan smelt
#

where's emma to deal a healthy dose of realism lol

shadow wind
#

?

solid frigate
#

I don’t think that how Teambuilding works

cyan smelt
#

we're not here to massage your ego

plain drum
#

You're going to be told quite a bit that your favorites ultimately might not get you very far, that's unfortunately how the landscape is

solid frigate
#

you can but like usually Would require extra amount of work if you fav is not Incineroar or something

cyan smelt
#

i have a right to an opinion bro just because you don't like it doesn't mean i'm not gonna say it

plain drum
#

Right, so I'm not sure how we got here--no one is helping anybody if we are butting heads

shadow wind
shadow wind
#

Tangs moment

plain drum
#

Last thing you said was this yeah

shadow wind
#

It would not be

#

Not in this regulation anyway

plain drum
#

All right, so maybe you're looking at Nat Dex

solid frigate
#

hell barely any team i use have Incineroar

shadow wind
#

Yeah me too

#

Incin is not my first pick for a lot of teams

#

They aren’t a Calyrex though

#

Here ya go

plain drum
#

Oh lord lol

shadow wind
#

My only advice for that team is don’t play against Kyogre

#

I seriously don’t know how they play against Kyogre

solid frigate
shadow wind
#

Kyogre got blessed with a better than average MU into both horses

#

?

#

Whoa

mighty stump
#

Lets not

shadow wind
#

We aren’t allowed to discuss such things here

solid frigate
plain drum
#

Reg G goes until the end of April doesn't it

mighty stump
#

What sort of tomfoolery is this

solid frigate
shadow wind
#

Kyogre die down when Miraidons do well

mighty stump
#

Kyogre has an across the board consistent MU though

shadow wind
#

It does

mighty stump
#

No, move on from the topic

shadow wind
#

That Mon is so busted 😭

mighty stump
#

Plus its not relevant

solid frigate
#

I don’t think Kyogre suffers from Miraidon that much now

Especially Grass Tera is so funny

mighty stump
#

and [Redacted] isn’t relevant competitively in that scenario anyways

shadow wind
#

Yeah yeah

mighty stump
#

You don’t need to know and if you want to find out, this isn’t the place

#

That’s why I’m telling you move on

plain drum
#

Did you need help piloting the team Conner gave you, if not it's pretty safe to say the ELO mark is in reach

mighty stump
#

You’re never seeing a full legend/mythical team

plain drum
#

Okay

shadow wind
#

We’re only allowed one big guy anyway

mighty stump
#

Why are normies such imbeciles

#

Who knows

plain drum
#

We tried

solid frigate
#

this picture is so dumb lmao

mighty stump
#

God

shadow wind
#

I bet he lives 3 glacial lances now

solid frigate
shadow wind
#

I did send a team

plain drum
#

Again, if you need help with the team that's chill

#

Just relax

mighty stump
#

Contradictory statements at an all time high

#

What else is new

shadow wind
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Tofu you are NOT helping !

mighty stump
solid frigate
shadow wind
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Coach don’t play kinda statement

mighty stump
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No one likes it when I help cause they don’t like being coached for real

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Didn’t ask

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Lmao

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What does this have to do with save editors man cause you got worked up over nothing then

solid frigate
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I’m just gonna watch Tofu cooking

shadow wind
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What’s the difference between doing that and just having someone play for you?

plain drum
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Then respectfully why did you agree to a server role that requires you to play Showdown? The result is this attitude that is making a mess

mighty stump
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Like its fine if you want help

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And if you have a team I’m happy to look at it

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Cause generally we want to encourage the whole

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teach a man to fish

shadow wind
mighty stump
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What’s the team anyways

solid frigate
mighty stump
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Cause if you’re looking for something to use, best case at the momet is using Tang’s team

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Its up on youtube too

plain drum
mighty stump
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Since when do you need to be 1300s to hold your own matches

cyan smelt
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use wolfey's team /j

shadow wind
mighty stump
solid frigate
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not a huge fan fighting Wolfey con Perish but i do have a Taunt Roaring Moon lmao

plain drum
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Tofu wasn't here for the entire conversation

mighty stump
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For someone that preached a quote regarding reading comprehension you sure have a hard time understanding the concept of “not being here”

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Bro

shadow wind
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I was also referring to when I offered a non registered account because in my eyes any account that you have access to would do. Elo is not a constant thing

woven pelican
mighty stump
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How can I not be snarky if you’re making it so easy to clown

plain drum
dull haven
mighty stump
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Mother

solid frigate
dull haven
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Son

woven pelican
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hi khuja

plain drum
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Eevee, let me be honest

mighty stump
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Look at whats going on

solid frigate
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hey Khuja

dull haven
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I was just gettin through back-reading

shadow wind
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So if you drop below 1300 your role gets stripped away?

plain drum
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If you're not vibing with the idea of VGC don't do it, that sounds like it'll make you miserable

mighty stump
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I’m going back to work

shadow wind
mighty stump
shadow wind
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So why not say you got 1300 with a different account and just use your main?

solid frigate
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at least Tofu has a decent life I’d would say

woven pelican