bruh
#competitive_discussion
molten oasis
cyan smelt
i didn't realise the koraidon on wolfey's team ran close combat
real prairie
Morning all,
Just caught up with the chat, watching @astral kelp chat with @shadow wind is pretty funny, its like someone sitting down next to the actor of one of your favourite movies and never realising its them.
Conner is the Groudon GOAT
back to Bonnet getting booster speed, is there any way it could have +1 speed before the sun goes up, that would give it booster speed no?
astral kelp
Morning all,
Just caught up with the chat, watching <@421131865983025162> chat...
Bros Mr Groudon
astral kelp
back to Bonnet getting booster speed, is there any way it could have +1 speed be...
Would tailwind before sun work I wonder
real prairie
no, tailwind doesn't impact its stats directly, its more of an arena effect
you need to literally give it a +1 speed
astral kelp
Either way fast spore is not that good if you have to put that much effort I learned
With all the grass types eletric terrains and safety goggles
real prairie
Either way fast spore is not that good if you have to put that much effort I lea...
almost like they all run it to avoid being slept .... 
astral kelp
you need to literally give it a +1 speed
You could always use like agility baton pass or something?
astral kelp
almost like they all run it to avoid being slept .... <:PikaLmao:678990785500413...
LIKE it's okay if you can just press spore yk
real prairie
You could always use like agility baton pass or something?
guess that would make it possible but damn thats convoluted
astral kelp
But the fact that you have to go through ALL THIS EFFORT for it and then they just hit you with the ogre follow me or something
astral kelp
guess that would make it possible but damn thats convoluted
Either way gravity hypnosis is pretty reliable tbh
real prairie
you might like the team that cooked me the other day tbh
cyan smelt
How does your team do into wolfey's euic team
real prairie
@astral kelp
real prairie
How does your team do into wolfey's euic team
only played it the once, did okay.
cyan smelt
Yeah I mentioned yanmega to him but everyone preferred valiant I think
real prairie
Yanmega is mental, with protect and a sash its 2 free speed boosts basically
at which point hes already slept 1 mon
cyan smelt
Valiant is really fast with booster
real prairie
but will never get faster than flutter lol
opal trout
back to Bonnet getting booster speed, is there any way it could have +1 speed be...
Yes
Use trailblaze then set up sun
real prairie
it gets trailblaze? neat
cyan smelt
I mean I tried saying yanmega was good but got shouted down
real prairie
I mean I tried saying yanmega was good but got shouted down
haha fair enough
opal trout
it gets trailblaze? neat
Yes, I almost lost a match due to trailblaze bonnet
Speed boost spore is really annoying to deal with
solid frigate
Speed boost spore is really annoying to deal with
just be a grass type lmao
opal trout
And it’s a dark type so it is immune to prankster
solid frigate
thats why i love Booster Roaring Moon with Taunt
opal trout
just be a grass type lmao
Koraidon can ohko most grass types
astral kelp
YEA EXACTLY THAT
opal trout
Which is what I’ve seen it paired with
astral kelp
I don't get it tho why not just kill yanmega
astral kelp
Yanmega is mental, with protect and a sash its 2 free speed boosts basically
Okay I gotta try that
cyan smelt
Becomes really hard to do with fake out eject button and speed boost sash
astral kelp
I kinda assumed they would instantly double it but ofc they can just protect turn one
astral kelp
Becomes really hard to do with fake out eject button and speed boost sash
And you gotta hope for no miraidon lol
cyan smelt
I think sableye and Groudon can deal with miraidon
cyan smelt
If you're Groudon you gotta watch out for ogerpon on those teams though
solid frigate
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2307452241
Hey you know what i started to like CIR
astral kelp
If you're Groudon you gotta watch out for ogerpon on those teams though
Oh yeha that's hella scary
LMAO
Have you been using gravity bronzong?
Ig if you ever want to run earthquake for some ungodly reason too lmao
real prairie
this game had my buttcheeks clenched... https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2307457357-t09qp4ia2xu5nlp7fycaskfirijes5apw
astral kelp
man Overqwil-h is kind of fascinating
they have so much random ass shit lmao
its stats are ehhh but it could be worse
this is just hilarious
lets go gambling 
it gets ridiculously fast with swift swim
cyan smelt
It also hits like wet paper
cyan smelt
It's made of paper
astral kelp
85 hp 95 def 65 def
cyan smelt
Have you seen that sp def
astral kelp
could be worse tbh it also does get intimdate
I'm not saying it's GOOD I just think it's interesting lmao
real prairie
its a focus sash mon if ive ever seen one
its been used in a few rain teams over the years
cyan smelt
I've seen eviolite minimise stockpile hisuian qwilfish too
cyan smelt
Or acupressure if you want to really gamble
astral kelp
Focus sash reversal seems interesting
200 BP at sash
Since it outspeeds a ton of stuff in rain
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
real prairie
FUCK ME, i was not expecting to do algebra
solid frigate
FUCK ME, i was not expecting to do algebra
LMFAO
cyan smelt
We were doing algebra before when calculating miraidon's multipliers
astral kelp
did i cook chat
real prairie
I dunno, still trying to do the math
Fuck Yo' Screens https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2307469339
solid frigate
did i cook chat
no
real prairie
why 311?
astral kelp
so it has to be less hp
real prairie
it would be 160 no?
astral kelp
it would be 160 no?
okay can we talk about this for a second
real prairie
you wouldn't have a 0ev HP mon
real prairie
are you setting your mons to level 50?
cyan smelt
For a start make it level 50
astral kelp
oh yeah ofc woops
real prairie
if you pick your reg before you teambuild it will autoset the mons to lv50
astral kelp
i always forget
gentle cragBOT
Result: 0.300000
astral kelp
okay so this should kinda work then
astral kelp
honestly should i even run barb barrage
ig youd play this with glimorra?
and then something stally
astral kelp
yeah unfortunally youre right
astral kelp
isnt mortal spin just better?
cyan smelt
Weezing turns off all abilities
real prairie
run it with intimidate, not as big a deal to be turned off whilst you get the poison up, then turns on on switch out
you either run it as a swift swimmer or as a poison threat, both will be a struggle
astral kelp
poison isnt too bad with all the flutter teras tbh
cyan smelt
It's basically useless outside rain
astral kelp
fairy*
astral kelp
It's basically useless outside rain
yeah with koraidon being playued so much its kinda rough
real prairie
It's basically useless outside rain
its pretty useless generally lol
cyan smelt
Even more niche than ludicolo
astral kelp
btw is there any actual difference between detect and protect
cyan smelt
Functionally the same but detect is less likely to be imprisoned
cyan smelt
You don't need two tailwind setters
cyan smelt
Probably don't need two gravity users either
cyan smelt
You're vulnerable to non prankster taunt
astral kelp
i got a mental herb on sable in case of that
if they taunt sandy ill just pull the guns out
hed prolly outspeed any non prankster taunts othert than like flutter anyways
cyan smelt
You need anti tr tech and bolt would probably be good on sun
astral kelp
is bolt good in tr?
cyan smelt
It's good in and out of tr yeah, I'm thinking Amoonguss and bolt
astral kelp
good idea!
astral kelp
this team kinda has no answer to ground you right
cyan smelt
Or you could go chi yu to boost yanmega and shocks further
cyan smelt
It's not just you, they're not made for vgc
cyan smelt
They're made for singles
astral kelp
okay so thjats why rhey are running swords dance ogre 💀
cyan smelt
Yeah you're not gonna have time to set up ogerpon in vgc
solid frigate
Yeah you're not gonna have time to set up ogerpon in vgc
you can in Reg F but not in here
Ogerpon is for Redirecting
cyan smelt
For who?
astral kelp
idk this?
cyan smelt
I think you want speed and sp attack, it's not living more than two hits
astral kelp
I think you want speed and sp attack, it's not living more than two hits
yeahhh you right
wth is this
cyan smelt
Contrary mons next to battery to boost attacks
astral kelp
bro loves contrary
solid frigate
wth is this
this is what we see your team be like /j
astral kelp
this is what we see your team be like /j
true tho
i actively have tried to build chargabug teams
urshifu kinda wins against me
cyan smelt
Wait I just realised you don't need spore and hypnosis on the same team
astral kelp
Wait I just realised you don't need spore and hypnosis on the same team
i mean doesnt hurt to have more sleep and redirection ig
astral kelp
aw man
so close
i wasted tera
sandy shocks could be better
i really DONT need 2 gravity guys
cyan smelt
You should be ghost tera for fake out on yanmega
astral kelp
smart
cyan smelt
And you should definitely run encore on sableye so you can encore lock pokemon into fake out or protect
Or tailwind
cyan smelt
Spiky shield on ogerpon, heat crash or fire punch, protect and stomping tantrum or high horsepower on Groudon, encore on sableye
astral kelp
And you should definitely run encore on sableye so you can encore lock pokemon i...
waoit this was supposed to be spiky shield woops
astral kelp
Spiky shield on ogerpon, heat crash or fire punch, protect and stomping tantrum ...
should i not go choice band?
cyan smelt
Clear amulet on Groudon otherwise you're intimidate bait
astral kelp
Clear amulet on Groudon otherwise you're intimidate bait
`ohhh ic stomping tantrum
why would i run high horspower btw?
real prairie
accuracy + Tantrum doubles if it fails for any reason, including if they waste a turn protecting
oh why would you run horspower over tantrum
astral kelp
https://tenor.com/view/jeremy-clarkson-power-gif-11143478
your first thougth was right lol
since im using gravity
cyan smelt
Tantrum would be just in case you can't get gravity up for any reason and you miss p blades
astral kelp
wb brick break for the odd grimsnarl matchup
cyan smelt
Protect, hydro steam, flamethrower and dragon pulse or Draco meteor
astral kelp
wait this is insane
cyan smelt
Quad resists urshifu too
astral kelp
wb evs ?
cyan smelt
You probably want speed booster
astral kelp
in case no sun
cyan smelt
Yep
solid frigate
yeah, boosted in Rain + Sun
I’d would say its a Counter towards Sun and rain
cuz someone won with Wake that does not have any weather
next stump
good morning 🙂
solid frigate
Wake on rain teams to counter Koraidon/Groudon teams
i tried Wake with Zacian
solid frigate
good morning 🙂
hey dillon
solid frigate
https://x.com/aldrichyan/status/1894221053565833316?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfszOAZ6...
where is our GOAT Michael Kelsch
astral kelp
i just played a game with like 3 turn 1 sleeps
real prairie
good morning 🙂
Yo D
real prairie
tell me about it, i really hate my job lol
next stump
😦 is it at least easy?
patent marsh
https://x.com/aldrichyan/status/1894221053565833316?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfszOAZ6...
Makes sense cause internationals gives more points ye
I wonder if he'll keep playing events to retain it though 
probably not
real prairie
https://x.com/aldrichyan/status/1894221053565833316?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfszOAZ6...
not sure id put Dyl there... top 64 @ B'ham and EUIC final doesn't beat a regional win IMO
terrific player, don't get me wrong
but that seems like recency bias
astral kelp
is this points based?
real prairie
no, its opinion
the reply to it from the author literally says they forgot about some regionals LOL
real prairie
yeah, tremendous player. but i can't put 'em above someone thats won imo
astral kelp
undesrtandable
real prairie
Also no Marco Silva on the list seems crazy
next stump
guys it’s just a meme hahaha he took the top 8 at EUIC and put them on there
in order
astral kelp
based
patent marsh
tbh hyper offense is probably the easiest out of the possible playstyles, so preference being that doesn't really inspire confidence on the coaching imo
😭
chrome knot
he sees it as an investment that you will find profit from
learn to place high at events obviously you regain some of the cost in prizing
real prairie
i see it as a way to get tournament prize money without winning a tournament
chrome knot
?
real prairie
for him, not the student
chrome knot
idk how to change the vision you have thats personal greed but, hes an insanely talented player so the students who he has picked up you WILL be seeing lots of
patent marsh
learn to place high at events obviously you regain some of the cost in prizing
yea I understand that, just the initial tweet doesn't really inspire confidence in the quality of the coaching
next stump
i totally get why he designed the package but i just think you’re not getting a lot for your money
real prairie
3x students @ $6000 a year = $18,000, more than finishing top 4 at worlds
next stump
you’re paying $125 per hour for coaching, and you can also DM him whenever about whatever
I think the person that benefits the most from this is a really good player who maybe doesn’t have a group that plays the game that they can talk to
chrome knot
yea I understand that, just the initial tweet doesn't really inspire confidence ...
how does it not ? I mean the target audience is people really into vgc, and by then you should know this name
patent marsh
how does it not ? I mean the target audience is people really into vgc, and by ...
the fact the preference is the easiest playstyle out of the bunch being stated as no.2 point not very good, das like saying your work habits really early into an interview that's a 50:50 chance of either being good or bad for the position
chrome knot
HO is just what he plays..
real prairie
3x students @ $6000 a year = $18,000, more than finishing top 4 at worlds
to put this into perspective, thats higher than he's ever finished 🤷♂️
chrome knot
he like just won a regional😭 then from there has been placing pretty highly, idk how to explain it being an investment that you will see return from because you are being coached to become a player who is aimed to cut regionals
real prairie
i understand the value proposition, but its a LOT to wager on it working out because regardless of the coaching, he can't guarantee results for himself let alone you.
patent marsh
HO is just what he plays..
yea I understand that, but as I said before with the interview analogy, it's basically the tail end of the 50:50 where it's not really good benefit for the position, generally speaking I think if someone wants to do a coaching service with that kind of price being really flexible would be better than stating the easiest form to learn in
real prairie
i think its safe to say we see a different level of value proposition here and to just leave it at that 🙂 we don't have to agree on these things
chrome knot
I think being one of the best players in a category for teaching is better than being flexible
patent marsh
but to retain that category flexibility is pretty important
chrome knot
is it !? like i can just play hyper offence all my life bc its a playstyle that will never stop existing
patent marsh
there can be times where it's not as good so you'd probably want to do something else though
chrome knot
if i want to learn football imma go to a football coach, not the multisport coach😭
patent marsh
that's different though
football is a pretty straight forward sport with not much variation in play compared to turn based games like these
it's not a very good comparison when they're really different
chrome knot
there can be times where it's not as good so you'd probably want to do something...
wHAT
real prairie
if i want to learn football imma go to a football coach, not the multisport coac...
assume you mean American Football but ill roll with your analogy and just use Soccer, Im naturally a defensive player but i still need to learn the overall game as well as my position, if i only focused on defending it would ultimately inhibit my talent.
solid frigate
assume you mean American Football but ill roll with your analogy and just use So...
Ah yes the Obi-Wan Kenobi
chrome knot
the 1 million different punches once vs one punch 1 million times thing i fear
real prairie
Shall we move on to another topic lovely?
solid frigate
Shall we move on to another topic lovely?
i feel crap on My Work experience and i just want to go home to sleep or do Pokemon-
real prairie
Feels
just applied for a new job with one of my old colleagues, so 🤞
what work Exp you doing @solid frigate ?
chrome knot
i be in bed
solid frigate
what work Exp you doing <@758873265053106217> ?
Cancer Research Charity Shop Volunteer
real prairie
i be in bed
i wish i was
real prairie
Cancer Research Charity Shop Volunteer
oh cool, i started my work experience at BHF
chrome knot
i wish i was
9am on a tuesday over here and i work at 2 so i WILL be a comfy girl
chrome knot
mhmm
left bobcat
BURNING JELOUSY IS A SPREAD MOVE!!
But how come there’s no chilling jealousy
trim hound
BURNING JELOUSY IS A SPREAD MOVE!!
Yeah, it's just low as fuck BP
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
real prairie
70 really isn't that low
suppose with the 25% reduction for spread it is
but still a good move into Zama + Pao leads
trim hound
Snarl + Opp Defiant + Burning Jealousy stonks
real prairie
Snarl + Opp Defiant + Burning Jealousy stonks
Prankster Swagger 😉
chrome knot
its main goal is to fish for burns, hope this helps🤩🤩
real prairie
its main goal is to fish for burns, hope this helps🤩🤩
indeed haha
trim hound
Prankster Swagger 😉
Kingambit moment
night flax
i dont know if this is the right chat but whats better
Kilowattrel or Magnezone
Garchomp or Baxcalibur
next stump
BURNING JELOUSY IS A SPREAD MOVE!!
yooooo lost my win and in 3 years ago to not knowing what this move did
their grimmsnarl clicked burning jealousy and burned my zacian
real prairie
Ooooffff
real prairie
i dont know if this is the right chat but whats better
Kilowattrel or Magnezone ...
singles? doubles? Official format?
left bobcat
Official
trim hound
their grimmsnarl clicked burning jealousy and burned my zacian
Common Zac L
night flax
singles? doubles? Official format?
mostly gameplay but sometimes singles battle
trim hound
mostly gameplay but sometimes singles battle
Define gameplay
night flax
then just singles battles
chrome knot
wat
trim hound
then just singles battles
Then who gives a fuck, BSS is a joke
real prairie
hey be nice
@night flax this is more of a VGC chat, but for general playthroughs id lean towards Manezone and Garchomp
left bobcat
Yeah be nice
night flax
<@1134076458046857226> this is more of a VGC chat, but for general playthroughs ...
alrighty, thanks
gentle cragBOT
alrighty, thanks
krystal0794_92370 has given 1 Gen Rep to oneofakindof
mint void
Then who gives a fuck, BSS is a joke
Come on man
real prairie
iron boulders rear legs make me extremely uncomfortable
spiral ridge
look like action figure legs when you bend them the wrong way
real prairie
exactly
spiral ridge
my power ranger figs look like that
real prairie
looks like its about to lean up and turn its head around and become a zord
trim hound
Come on man
BSS only matters roughly twice a year, and it's only played because points
solid frigate
looks like its about to lean up and turn its head around and become a zord
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2307641730
I think i found my 3rd Consistent main
chrome knot
very interesting set of play…
shadow wind
back to Bonnet getting booster speed, is there any way it could have +1 speed be...
Trailblaze?
Not sure if it learns that
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
shadow wind
Welp, it does
real prairie
incin + bonnet lead, fake out trailblaze, parting shot (to koraidon / Groudon) spore
solid frigate
very interesting set of play…
i'm still rusty with CIR but its more consistent than when i play Kyogre
trim hound
I'm on Palkia-O copium
solid frigate
Creph 2.0
trim hound
Mostly because I've checked out of this Reg
real prairie
kill before you get killed lol
shadow wind
incin + bonnet lead, fake out trailblaze, parting shot (to koraidon / Groudon) s...
Ew
CIR gets a heyday but that’s whatever
Torkoal gaming or something
real prairie
we are talking about speed boosting a brute bonnet, its not exactly Worlds winning strats 🤣
mint void
I'm playing lorb Pao
I like sash too much
shadow wind
Have you been using gravity bronzong?
Did for a while
shadow wind
we are talking about speed boosting a brute bonnet, its not exactly Worlds winni...
Yknow that’s a good point
chrome knot
i'm still rusty with CIR but its more consistent than when i play Kyogre
both sides was just button mash simulator
real prairie
Rilla might be better actually, get that terrain boosted trailblaze
real prairie
depends how many trailblaze you want to stack LOL
real prairie
in before turn one opponent leads koraidon and gives you the wrong boost
shadow wind
😔
chrome knot
I feel like speed boosting moves are never used in VGC
flame charge, scale shot..
real prairie
If you were intimidated... would you get booster speed with booster energy? 🤔
shadow wind
flame charge, scale shot..
Very few mons do that
It’s always icy wind or electro web
chrome knot
tailwind is technically speed boosting..
solid frigate
both sides was just button mash simulator<:GiggleHehe:674234945723432980>
i think CIR is Slightly More interesting than the one we don't speak of Lmao
But yeah Button Mashing goes hard lmao
real prairie
arguably because there aren't many moves that do it
chrome knot
i think CIR is Slightly More interesting than the one we don't speak of Lmao
Bu...
idk what tf that means ngl
solid frigate
idk what tf that means ngl
better not then lmao (I'm dead)
chrome knot
who is the one we sont speak of xd
trim hound
who is the one we sont speak of xd
Astral Barrage.exe
Idk, I'm hyped for Dialga-O/Gdon teams for double restricteds
No more fucking Precipice Blades
trim hound
no held item moment
shadow wind
He speed ties CIR with spore immunity and a free choice band and a 140 BP stab move
If only Groudon had Headlong rush
trim hound
I mean if CIR clicks Tera Fairy into a Dialga I'm tearing him a new asshole
And if he doesn't I'm doing it anyway
Whether from Dialga or Groudon
252+ SpA Adamant Crystal Dialga-Origin Steel Beam vs. 252 HP / 20 SpD Calyrex-Ice Rider: 276-326 (133.3 - 157.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
left bobcat
Rain dance 🔥🔥🔥
trim hound
Bro, I want to stare a Kyogre player in the eyes as a Light Ball Pikachu shits in his cornflakes
Give him an express trip to God, same day shipping like FedEx
chrome knot
tera grass
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
chrome knot
tw spout
trim hound
tw spout
252+ Atk Light Ball Tera-Stellar Pikachu Tera Blast (100 BP) (1st Use) vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Tera-Grass Kyogre: 190-226 (91.7 - 109.1%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
chrome knot
156+ SpA Mystic Water Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Pikachu in Rain: 234-276 (164.7 - 194.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
trim hound
Kyogre isn't faster than a Pikachu natively
You have to have the setup mon next to it
chrome knot
“tw spout” , they also speed tie..
trim hound
252+ Atk Light Ball Tera-Stellar Pikachu Tera Blast (100 BP) (1st Use) vs. 4 HP / 4 Def Tera-Grass Kyogre: 190-226 (107.9 - 128.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Better win the coin flip
Also, for the inevitable "Why are they clicking Tera Grass"
252+ Atk Light Ball Pikachu Volt Tackle vs. 4 HP / 4 Def Kyogre: 288-338 (163.6 - 192%) -- guaranteed OHKO
chrome knot
follow me redirecting that
trim hound
On what, Ogerpon?
chrome knot
rock pon
trim hound
252+ Atk Light Ball Pikachu Volt Tackle vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Ogerpon-Cornerstone: 76-90 (49 - 58%) -- 96.88% chance to 2HKO
But then you have to lead both, and know to redirect the Pikachu
And who the fuck other than me and you know the Pikachu calcs
chrome knot
im just always clicking follow me spout or origin pulse😭
trim hound
im just always clicking follow me spout or origin pulse😭
What's your favorite color of crayon to eat
chrome knot
oranch
trim hound
Actually, how much value would Abomasnow and Iron Bundle have vs Kyogre+Fren?
Just set up Auto-Blizzards
left bobcat
Actually
chrome knot
noo give me orang one
bold geode
Okie
left bobcat
Nooo give me blue one
bold geode
Bro don't know his colors
left bobcat
Bro don't know his colors
Nuh uh you don’t know your colors
dense latch
I saved you the red crayon
can i get that one
im convinced they make it taste like strawberries
left bobcat
Guys it’s time for recess
torn parrot
Woo
molten oasis
Kyogre Ursa hit 1500
mint void
Kyogre Ursa hit 1500
with u?
molten oasis
Yea I played it
mint void
big
dense latch
congrats
chrome knot
they easy hunts hf
mint void
Now I have to shiny hunt kyogre and Ursa
lmk when u hunt Kyogre. Id join if u dont mind
real prairie
@molten oasis I have a Ursa on Go that I probably don't need
I'll trade it for something reasonable to ya
mint void
<@465881273454559252> I have a Ursa on Go that I probably don't need
wait
she can evolve on go?
mint void
but u can still evolve it to ursa no?
real prairie
but u can still evolve it to ursa no?
On a full moon, yeah
mint void
i have like 5 teddi
molten oasis
I'll trade it for something reasonable to ya
I can check what I have
I was gonna go hunt an alpha tho
When I get home I’m just gonna be grinding the dex
molten oasis
Yo?
The xxl Ursa
I wonder if that would count for the huge mark
Uh anyway lemme check my boxes if I can
next stump
X
molten oasis
I cannot, I’ll check at home
real prairie
https://x.com/vgcvictoryroad/status/1894502661791027544?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfsz...
The one I can't make lol
Well I could but it's the most expensive
tranquil kraken
do specials get broadcasted?
next stump
EU ones do
mint void
6-1 OW come back. Im still goated
next stump
regionals and specials are mostly the same
molten oasis
That’s, it’s so mid
real prairie
Hands with close combat
Hands after coaching
molten oasis
Fr
left bobcat
Fr
dense latch
i wish shiny future paradoxes weren’t just silver
molten oasis
Real, i think it works on like
Bundle, but they could have done better everywhere else
dense latch
it’s cool on iron thorns
molten oasis
Oh yea true
next stump
what does jugulis look like
molten oasis
Shiny
molten oasis
Oh it just doesn’t have it bruh
next stump
molten oasis
That’s, that’s a shiny alright
dense latch
the silver just doesn’t go well with the rest
molten oasis
Yea
shadow wind
I mess with Iron Jugulis
real prairie
i wish shiny future paradoxes weren’t just silver
Although I wish shiny gholdengo was silver
tranquil kraken
regionals and specials are *mostly* the same
gotcha, ty
left bobcat
it’s cool on iron thorns
Unfortunately thorns is just straight dookie
buoyant coral
real prairie
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen5ou-2307889309-r5keolktxj3s77cfnjs56ymxu0r...
Ew
Like ew
left bobcat
Ew
buoyant coral
I know it's bad, but it works sometimes, I did a challenge to win it once
molten oasis
I forgot weather was infinite until like gen 6
buoyant coral
Yep
molten oasis
Also bro does not know what a hard switch is
buoyant coral
and in gen V sturdy it started to be like infinite focus sash
If he switches I think he would lose for the most part, but in the soak he might win.
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
molten oasis
If he switches I think he would lose for the most part, but in the soak he might...
At the soak yea
vagrant ingot
https://pokepast.es/38f775a9be1fb5a3
I'm trying to build a Koradon team built Around Follow Me and setting up I have 5 pokemon but I can't settle on the 6th one I'm looking for another set up pokemon who can deal alot of damage. I would prefer a special attacker but a physical attacker could work too. Does anyone have any ideas of a pokemon I should put on the team?
buoyant coral
Yes
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/38f775a9be1fb5a3
I'm trying to build a Koradon team built A...
Chi Yu
left bobcat
Yeah yeah
arctic swallow
I'm building my first team ever, where can I see the most common ev spreads for mons and another question, I know you can see your ev spread in the summary but is there also a way to see the 252 or whatever stats in numbers so that I know my evs are properly allocated?
buoyant coral
I mean, there's no way to know that it's going to be a soak, but after so much bizarreness the guy should have realized, that's why the soak works better if the Pokémon immune to sandstorm comes at the beginning of the battle.
dense latch
https://pokepast.es/38f775a9be1fb5a3
I'm trying to build a Koradon team built A...
what’s the point of booster on a sun team
molten oasis
Booster if sun goes down
dense latch
usually you’ll bring bolt in the back
molten oasis
Rain dance torn/kyogre
dense latch
and av is probably better value
dense latch
https://pokepast.es/38f775a9be1fb5a3
I'm trying to build a Koradon team built A...
you should max your ogerpon’s speed rather than the special defense
ogerpon cornerstone doesn’t need to run all that bulk, usually no bulk at all when it has sturdy
max jolly outspeeds some important threats
like max speed ursh and landorus
bold geode
dense latch
yea i understand booster on like flutter mane but it’s different for bolt
buoyant coral
https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/ogerpon-cornerstone/ the smogon website can help.
molten oasis
Don’t use smogon for vgc
molten oasis
bold geode
https://tenor.com/view/the-thing-fantastic-four-first-steps-f4-richie-the-bear-h...
Bro that sentence is genuinely ruined for me
molten oasis
Same
real prairie
I'm building my first team ever, where can I see the most common ev spreads for ...
Showdown, set the mons level and the EV investment and it will show the same stats as ingamr
molten oasis
Well see, here’s the thing
dense latch
me but with “let me break it down”
spiral ridge
Bro that sentence is genuinely ruined for me
Real
dense latch
real prairie
Well see, here’s the thing
real prairie
me but with “let me break it down”
My equivalent is "that escalated quickly" and this gif
molten oasis
https://tenor.com/view/breakdancing-benson-regular-show-spinning-dance-moves-gif...
Lmfao
Benson was such a funny character
shadow wind
I wish that air slash was 100% accurate
Why does iron head get to be stronger and more accurate
solid frigate
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2307921216
That team looks pretty familiar
molten oasis
Why does iron head get to be stronger and more accurate
Idk
We can ask the same about a certain horses moves
left bobcat
Pp blade
lofty tartan
Giratina is naturally very bulky.
cyan smelt
Wo chien reduces attack
astral kelp
Wo chien reduces attack
ohhh i see i forgot about that
molten oasis
Hey guys is it a good idea to get 36 Baja blast Mountain Dew
astral kelp
Hey guys is it a good idea to get 36 Baja blast Mountain Dew
yse
lofty tartan
Even without Wo-Chien, Giratina is gonna eat that P Blade
252+ Atk Groudon Precipice Blades vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Giratina: 81-96 (36 - 42.6%) -- 92.48% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
That's 3hko without any investment whatsoever
lofty tartan
Sleep Talk seems so unnecessary. You're rolling with 3 moves most of the time.
I've seen Sleep Talk on Choice Terapagos but other than that, it's pretty absent.
astral kelp
Sleep Talk seems so unnecessary. You're rolling with 3 moves most of the time.
i put it in because trauma 
lofty tartan
Yeah but not liking sleep turns into hamstringing yourself in every match where there isn't any
molten oasis
I mixed and matched but I now have soda for a month+
astral kelp
ig i could go stomping but idk i like always have gravity up so im never really gonna click it
mint void
ig i could go stomping but idk i like always have gravity up so im never really ...
other coverage
solid frigate
Giratina is naturally very bulky.
but can't do shit on offense
solid frigate
i put it in because trauma <:Pain:742051098034044928>
you literally win against other amogus-
Thats a skill issue in my book
lofty tartan
but can't do shit on offense
Yeah we weren't talking about Giratina's offense.
shadow wind
<@638505796476469249> what do you run on groudon?
Like my evs?
astral kelp
Like my evs?
ye
spiral ridge
@charred saddle 
if any friends wanna join tryna make a weird ass goltres lunala team lmk 😭
astral kelp
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2307943643
teem not feeling too bad actually
astral kelp
if any friends wanna join tryna make a weird ass goltres lunala team lmk 😭
im down
spiral ridge
uhm dont think i know ya mate sorry
astral kelp
i cry
solid frigate
if any friends wanna join tryna make a weird ass goltres lunala team lmk 😭
i could think of something
shadow wind
astral kelp
https://pokepast.es/ebc2795891e1ba13
yeah my groudon kinda gets one shot by cir
if i dont tera
shadow wind
I think this one lives
astral kelp
I think this one lives
wyd against urishifu-rs?
shadow wind
It mainly just outspeeds Jolly Incin
shadow wind
wyd against urishifu-rs?
Pray to god
left bobcat
Jolly? INCIN?
astral kelp
Pray to god
LOL
left bobcat
Pray to god
Pray to arceus 
molten oasis
Jolly? INCIN?
People played max speed jolly incin for a bit
left bobcat
SCARF
astral kelp
does psychioc terraiun stop spore??
chrome knot
@charred saddle let me in.
mint void
does psychioc terraiun stop spore??
send replay
u cant spore on eterrain, u cant spore on misty u cant spore grass types
mint void
yeah then thats why
left bobcat
does psychioc terraiun stop spore??
Psychiooc
strange juniper
can't remember who in here said wolfe's pose reminded them of the trump shit after the finals but
mint void
lol
astral kelp
why do people just leave and not ff
astral kelp
can't remember who in here said wolfe's pose reminded them of the trump shit aft...
oh my god
mint void
brother at some point u should settle on a team tho
dense latch
https://pokepast.es/ed2379fd6ea5c72d
did you forget to change ninetales’ nature?
molten oasis
https://vxtwitter.com/TheMintMermaid/status/1894418351947911399
That’s awesome lmao
empty turtle
anybody have good ideas for a regulation H team
molten oasis
why are you playing reg h?
empty turtle
mb
mint void
anybody have good ideas for a regulation H team
yes
fun more than "good" but
I regret not using it more
mint void
coaching shit. I mostly ran Ceru and Metagross cause I like them
Kingambit is also a great partner
empty turtle
nice
mint void
Coaching Sash sneasler next to Bulk up Ceru lead gets u to +2 +2
bitter blade recovery and poltergeist for dmg or shadow sneak for prio is decent. Coverage isnt amazing but u are usally raeally tanky with Tera Grass+Flash Fire
or drop bulk up for flame charge for speed
chrome knot
who has a good cir team for vanc :))))
all my plans fell through i legit cannot build this reg
mint void
Dillon is running screens stuff
next stump
take the 9th place one
chrome knot
suica team not my playstyle i fear
left bobcat
waterpon be poning
chrome knot
asking to 0-4 drop on that tbh
mint void
best tanger EUIC
next stump
dude did better than tang himself lmao
mint void
https://pokepast.es/f658158feb16c3e3 I think its the same as 3rd place. didnt check in detail
empty turtle
im sorry but what is the current regulation and rule set
mint void
Reg G
its one restricted and all other legendaries allowed
mythicals are banned as usual
everything else in SV is allowed
empty turtle
ok thanks
mint void
1 restricted only tho
empty turtle
got it
mint void
https://pokepast.es/684e06401fae9ab8 Im just scrolling EUIC rn
spiral ridge
https://pokepast.es/1bc38edd8396bca3
GC funny team
astral kelp
did you forget to change ninetales’ nature?
huh pokepaste just didnt put it in for some reason?
modest
LOL
other than that i dont really have an answer to cir
bold geode
all my plans fell through i legit cannot build this reg
How?
bold geode
<@224303371564220418>ngl not much from CIR coming from EUIC.
Also CIR will always be good
bold geode
mint void
I rather mean not much variety
bold geode
nothing working and team feel like ass
Was it feeling good before?
chrome knot
but in reality im just terrible and like half functioning
I DONT KNOW like im just fumbling
mint void
F
bold geode
I mean.....
Tbf sounds like you're experiencing same problem I was where things felt good and then did a complete 180
mint void
Understandable. Would love to be able to help but Im not good enough
Can just research existing stuff
chrome knot
im not good so there isn’t a “not good enough” lmfao
bold geode
im 2 steps away from running kyogre tsareena
Not the worst idea?
I mean like
I'd just calm down, slow down a bit and assess things with a clear head
Panicking won't do anything
mint void
Eh its more of a confidence thing
bold geode
How much time until Vancouver?
mint void
im 2 steps away from running kyogre tsareena
No Ludicoli tho
chrome knot
How much time until Vancouver?
next weekend
bold geode
This coming weekend or the next?
mint void
This coming weekend or the next?
Next 7th march
chrome knot
This coming weekend or the next?
next
bold geode
Ok so we have a week and a half hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Honestly my personal and not so professional opinion I guess
I would just go with comfortability
What restricted have you used before and what do you think you'll do the best with
chrome knot
cir 1trick
bold geode
What assets do you like to have in a team/want in a team
What do you feel like you could possibly do your best with
chrome knot
What assets do you like to have in a team/want in a team
What do you feel like y...
i don’t really know at this point
bold geode
Then try CIR teams
See if any feel alright
Or build around that with whatever goals or values you want in a team
You can even do this just by giving yourself objectively good Pokemon
At this point, stressing about being good in every MU is not gonna be that good, so I'd try to find what you think would work for you and go from there
chrome knot
im new to vcg
me too honestly
solid frigate
@molten oasis
mint void
@empty turtle just chill here rn
molten oasis
GIMME
empty turtle
ok
mint void
@empty turtle mainly you should look what restricted you like and then just search through sample teams
molten oasis
i need to get a zac and a urshifu plushie
mint void
Figure out whats good/feels good. What u struggle with
molten oasis
then i get zac pao shifu as plushies and as my main team core
mint void
From there you pluck the holes
empty turtle
<@988251521839935498> mainly you should look what restricted you like and then j...
ok thanks alot
gentle cragBOT
ok thanks alot
bigm9798 has given 1 Gen Rep to lnk1603
mint void
ok thanks alot
If u did ur first steps feel free to come back for more detail led stuff if needed. Also check pins in this channel for resources
empty turtle
i kinda want to use Terapagos
left bobcat
Hot
astral kelp
thoughts?
nyehehe
if i make rabsca outspeed golem
in trick room golem can explode then instantly get revived
i can run leppa berry too
man if only there was a way to like stop enemies from doing damage to me for a term so i can set up
rabsca prolly needs sash
astral kelp
daang
omg i just realized im dumb
i was running expandinf force on carylex LOL
how did that kinda work what is wrong with this game LOL
i accidentally went icicle spear too LOOOOL
ijust saw a crazy strat
swagger extreme speed dragonite
astral kelp
dude this fucking game was absolutely CRAZY
i wouldve won SOOO easily if he didnt hit that turn 1 sleep powder
cyan smelt
Everyone will know what's coming when they see golem
astral kelp
Everyone will know what's coming when they see golem
yeah so i usually dont explode turn 1
i try bait out protect
then i go KABLOEEY
astral kelp
Still gets shut down by wide guard and lando
we pretend it doesnt exist
cyan smelt
It also doesn't like kyogre
astral kelp
whats with kyogre?
cyan smelt
You're not going to get tr up all the time
cyan smelt
Protect caly then set up tr
astral kelp
Protect caly then set up tr
yea i tried that they killed
alg i got them
bro did not care about trick room explosion wth
cyan smelt
Because it's a gimmick
astral kelp
Because it's a gimmick
i mean if i just pressed explosion i wouldve won
cyan smelt
Rilla resists it
cyan smelt
Grassy glide + aqua jet would've koed golem
astral kelp
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2308109321-jqdd8i0accrkk2ig3on9glimc4ncxtwpw
i cannot believe i won this one after that grade A BLUNDER
i shouldve predicted koraidon to protect
wth
shadow wind
Man I love Bo3
Actually gives me a chance to use my gigantic noggin
Friendship ended with Bo1
cyan smelt
I haven't played on showdown in a while
shadow wind
I haven't played on showdown in a while
It’s pretty freeing I will say
But I couldn’t go out the way I did
left bobcat
EXPLOSION
cyan smelt
Idk I'm not doing so great with bo1 and the teams in bo3 are crazy good
astral kelp
That’s crazy
Kabloeey
yknow what would be cool
minimize baton pass tangled feet
ah shit
real prairie
ig i could go stomping but idk i like always have gravity up so im never really ...
infront of wide guard zamazenta
also, morning everyone
astral kelp
morning ludi!
astral kelp
infront of wide guard zamazenta
wyt of this with extreme speed dragonite btw
slap some follow me in there
maybe some wide guards ykyk
real prairie
just use coaching or dragon dance imo
it takes a minimum of 2 turns to get the baton pass off, and then be subject to getting hit regardless
coaching works through protect, so you can have a +1 after 1 turn
if you use scarf Ape you also have the option to final gambit and OHKO one of their big mons
astral kelp
i was doing the swagger thing lol
could also do weakness policy shananigans ig
team not done yet wait wait
real prairie
again we will ignore your lack of a restricted
astral kelp
ZAMA LEARNS COACHING
astral kelp
again we will ignore your lack of a restricted <:PikaLmao:678990785500413962>
just added zama dw dw
real prairie
Zama learns a bunch of shit it shouldn't
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
astral kelp
ts crazy
i love the random ass dazzling gleam
does zamma use heavy slam or behemoth?
astral kelp
alriight
now to see if this works
bros cooking
@real prairie
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2308154517
this dudes team is crazy man holy shit
real prairie
ah good ol' anger point strats
thats how i started my competitive journey
with Krookodile + Meowscarada
astral kelp
anger point kinda scary fr
min atk urshifu tho
honestly i do NOT need silk scarf
dragonite one shots everuything anyways
all evs are random
these 2 are literally only here because i like them
cyan smelt
Definitely not calm mind on comfey
real prairie
also id use trick room over calm mind and have it as a speed control option
maybe with a mental herb
cyan smelt
Defiant on ape
real prairie
what he said
astral kelp
u turn over rage fist
ANIHILAPE LEARNS U TURN??
astral kelp
also id use trick room over calm mind and have it as a speed control option
nonono comfey is like a carry
secretly
they never expect it to calm mind life orb priority draining kiss one shot their urshifu dark for some reason
cyan smelt
It's not bulky enough and doesn't hit hard enough for calm minds
astral kelp
Defiant on ape
Over inner focus really?
I thought ape was a final gambit bot
mint void
they never expect it to calm mind life orb priority draining kiss one shot their...
Dark shifu is basically always sash so u cant ohko but DK should OHKO anyways
Between 4x weakness and abysmall Spdef
real prairie
👀
astral kelp
Dark shifu is basically always sash so u cant ohko but DK should OHKO anyways
right hm
fair enough
btw what item should i run for dragonite?
jade vine
Any tips if someone wants to use sandaconda?
real prairie
you could run loaded dice + scaleshot
real prairie
Any tips if someone wants to use sandaconda?
my first instinct is "don't" but i use ludicolo i really cant speak on that lol
real prairie
we know lol
real prairie
Any tips if someone wants to use sandaconda?
Sandaconda @ Bright Powder
Ability: Sand Veil
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature
- Protect
- Minimize
- Body Press
- Drill Run
could be fun with Tyranitar
astral kelp
+6 252+ Atk Dragonite Extreme Speed vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Calyrex-Ice: 144-170 (82.2 - 97.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+6 252+ Atk Silk Scarf Dragonite Extreme Speed vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Calyrex-Ice: 173-204 (98.8 - 116.5%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
ig scarf kinda is worth it \
astral kelp
Sandaconda @ Bright Powder
Ability: Sand Veil
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP...
omg sand veil minimize
real prairie
they wont be 0hp 0def lol
astral kelp
forgota bout that true haha
cyan smelt
Choice band is almost always better
astral kelp
+6 252+ Atk Silk Scarf Dragonite Extreme Speed vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Calyrex-Ice: 146-172 (70.5 - 83%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+6 252+ Atk Dragonite Extreme Speed vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Calyrex-Ice: 122-144 (58.9 - 69.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+6 252+ Atk Choice Band Dragonite Extreme Speed vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Calyrex-Ice: 182-215 (87.9 - 103.8%) -- 25% chance to OHKO
honestly yeah if i want dragonite to be an e-speed bot might as well comit to it
what shoudl i run instead of protect and roost?
astral kelp
astral kelp
oh plus 6 LOL
yea belly drum baton pass lol
cyan smelt
Outrage, stomping tantrum not sure on 4th move
astral kelp
maybe hu
real prairie
+6 252+ Atk Silk Scarf Tera Normal Dragonite Extreme Speed vs. 212 HP / 4 Def Calyrex-Ice: 258-304 (127.7 - 150.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
cyan smelt
Poliwrath without swift swim is not great, even with swift swim it's not that good
jade vine
Sandaconda @ Bright Powder
Ability: Sand Veil
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP...
Thank you
mighty stump
Seems super unnecessary to go +6 with a Choice Band
You won’t be able to Protect your carry
real prairie
he's not banded
mighty stump
He was
balmy glen
I’m either a miraidon player,CIR/CSR player, or Pagos player
It’s so hard to choose one I forgot how broken the other restricteds are
fallow palm
hello!
fallow palm
can somone help me build my tram
left bobcat
Sure
real prairie
It’s so hard to choose one I forgot how broken the other restricteds are
Welcome to the other side brother, leave that dog behind and never look back
also, may i suggest Whale?
opal trout
also, may i suggest Whale?
Hi
astral kelp
pfff
real prairie
Just been gifted all the Unova legendaries on PoGo, that's a nice touch for the day
astral kelp
bru fuck this guy
astral kelp
Just been gifted all the Unova legendaries on PoGo, that's a nice touch for the ...
i got like 5 genesects then i ran out of pokeballs 💀
i really need a kyurem too
astral kelp
i was aboutta say "FUCK YO"
left bobcat
It’s not that deep
left bobcat
Normally when I’m playing on showdown I’m either listening to music or just watching something on the side so I don’t be paying attention
astral kelp
Normally when I’m playing on showdown I’m either listening to music or just watc...
ya but the fact that he ff after waiting like a good 30 seconds is what annoyed me like
might as well play it out
left bobcat
It’s still not that deep
astral kelp
yeah lmao still annoyin tho
left bobcat
yeah lmao still annoyin tho
