competitive_discussion

[foggy lodge]

Now its kinda easy i guess

[dusky wyvern]

I dont think therer are many of those irl events anymore except like deoxys

[dense latch]

https://pokepast.es/209bf81454eb15ac i ran this eleki team a while ago

[rustic mountain]

how would u obtain victini, zarude, zeraora, volcanion, hoopa

[dusky wyvern]

Darkrai and shaymin u can get just by having pla and one other game

[rustic mountain]

theres plenty that u cant just get from having the games

[dusky wyvern]

You cant but those pokemom are also not that sttrong lol

[dense latch]

i’d probably change to mystic water water ursh now

[left bobcat]

Just go to game stop

[rustic mountain]

that wasnt the original point

[dusky wyvern]

Actually yeah it was, I said why are mythicals banned when u can use way stronger 680 bst legendaries lol

That was my enitre point actually

[rustic mountain]

and i said it had to do w/ the access of mythicals overall

[dense latch]

because they’re not banned for their strength

[foggy lodge]

The name of the team lol

[left bobcat]

Because harder access

[bold geode]

Cuz some of them have or had some broken ass moves

[left bobcat]

Limited time

[bold geode]

And access yeah

[foggy lodge]

I wish mythicals were usable

[rustic mountain]

and then gave examples of mythicals that arent easily accessed and then u switched the goal post for it being about stronger mythicals so yea for me it wasnt actually about that hence not part of the original point

[foggy lodge]

But the access makes it just not viable for competitive

[left bobcat]

It would be nice to use Keldeo

[dusky wyvern]

Uh no the first thing I said was why can you not use mythicals but you can use 680 bst

[foggy lodge]

And they are honestly kinda useless imo they exist only for collection

[dusky wyvern]

You are the one who cahnged subject lol

[next stump]

i could see maybe in like 5ish years if they continue making mythicals easier, they may allow them eventually

but they’re hard as fuck to allow legally right now

[rustic mountain]

i didnt tho thats the thing, ur just missing what it was about in response

[dusky wyvern]

What does that mean can you elaborate

[rustic mountain]

like i gave u a viable answer and u just didnt accept it

[dense latch]

why is there a sudden surge in stubborn people in this channel

[left bobcat]

Because you can’t exactly get them anymore

[foggy lodge]

XD

[rustic mountain]

idk lmao

[left bobcat]

I mean you can but with extra steps

[dusky wyvern]

You can get dark0rai and shaymin easy lol

[rustic mountain]

holy shit im done w/ this lmao

[dusky wyvern]

And mew

[next stump]

what about all of the other ones

[left bobcat]

I just got here

[dense latch]

mythicals are not banned for their strength, but because of their accessibility

yes there is some exceptions but not all of them are accessible

[bold geode]

Yeah come have some Animal Fries bro

[dusky wyvern]

Theyre not that strong so i dont really care if other people-le can use them lol

[dense latch]

just drop it dude

[dusky wyvern]

Itd be cool if they were allowed

Sorry all you gentlemen had to get so angry over nothing

[next stump]

pokémon already costs hundreds to create a team legit

[rustic mountain]

[dusky wyvern]

Yeah I spent like 300 on sll the games lol

And I don't have let's go

[bold geode]

[next stump]

yep, it’s ridiculous

mythicals would make it worse

[dusky wyvern]

Perhaps the root of the anger is people don't like that metap0d3 has $300 to spend on pokemon

But that's a story for another time

[next stump]

no shot you’re bag checking the chat lol

[foggy lodge]

yeah it has to be that for sure lmao

[rustic mountain]

idt mavs fans will ever get over this luka trade

[bold geode]

Yeah I'm offended, I'm having to use a McDonald's air fryer for Discord rn

[dusky wyvern]

Does it get hot

[foggy lodge]

@bold geode i DEMAND a battle

[bold geode]

Oh no
Especially with AD not even lasting a game

[foggy lodge]

I want a rematch

[bold geode]

Wha

[dusky wyvern]

Doesn't mcdonalds also use hot oil deep fryers not air fryers

[rustic mountain]

yea u couldnt ask for a worse immediate injury

ppl say they rushed him back

[bold geode]

Ye

[dusky wyvern]

Since when is this the sports channel

[bold geode]

Now

Pokemon technically is an esport I guess

[dusky wyvern]

That's a stretch

[rustic mountain]

nah

[dense latch]

how far into the stages of grief are you btw

[dusky wyvern]

You guys should try sports betting

[bold geode]

Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhh
All of em at once

[dusky wyvern]

It's fun and non habit forming

[bold geode]

Did I hear gambling

[foggy lodge]

We are all pokemon players we are already gamblers

[dense latch]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-gambling-gif-4822326163116896763

[left bobcat]

Hooo

Shoooo

[dusky wyvern]

I used to deal craps lol

[left bobcat]

I tried that thing from chilis

It’s good but it’s making my stomach bubbly

[dusky wyvern]

Do they still microwave everything

[left bobcat]

Idk

I’m not allowed in the commons at campus

So I gotta eat elsewhere

[foggy lodge]

Why are there no galarian slowbro plushes

[next stump]

why does that not surprise me

[dense latch]

what did you do

or what did you not do

[left bobcat]

Well gamefreak didn’t make Galarian slowbro plushies so it’s not a surprise

[left bobcat]

….

[foggy lodge]

what did you do

You pissed right

You piss boy

[bold geode]

He recreated that one South Park episode

[dusky wyvern]

This kyogre team is doing a lot better than my terapagos team

Sorry to go off topic here

[dense latch]

the one with the teacher that got set on fire? lmao

[bold geode]

No the one where the guy put his junk in the microwave

[left bobcat]

Haha

[bold geode]

That is legitimately until now the only episode I remember
Now I remember the teacher

[dense latch]

i wonder if there’s a south park episode for everything

[left bobcat]

(Good just let them assume of the things you did at the commons and hopefully the subject slip) haha yeah fun times

So about that Galarian slowbro plush

[foggy lodge]

Buy me one

[left bobcat]

Why?

Did you clean them dishes?

[dusky wyvern]

South park episodes trashing liberalism and climate change aged poorly unfortunately

It was funny for a while

[foggy lodge]

I never watched south park

[left bobcat]

I have

[foggy lodge]

I only know about the memes that appear on reels

A kenny le gusta

[left bobcat]

Kenny le gusta

[dense latch]

PERU MENTIONED ⁉️ WTF IS A STABLE ECONOMY 🗣️🔥

[mint void]

how do u mean?

like making fun of it=/=denying its importance

[next stump]

36 hours until EUIC 🙂

[dense latch]

im so hyped

[foggy lodge]

Hell yeah

[dusky wyvern]

They were conservatives so they really did downplay it too much and they said they regretted it later

[left bobcat]

Annie are you ok

[foggy lodge]

EUIC starts at 6 am for me so😭

[next stump]

is wolfe going?

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

[left bobcat]

Yeah

[foggy lodge]

If he didn't regret or something

There was a very high account in showdown ladder with Lunala Tornadus Farigiraf

[left bobcat]

It’s definitely the something

[foggy lodge]

It was Wolfe's team but with Lunala and Tornadus

[left bobcat]

Lunala and Torn?

[foggy lodge]

Mhm

[dusky wyvern]

I still need to get tornadus from sword

[left bobcat]

That’s bull

[foggy lodge]

And it was throat spray Farigiraf so there's a chance that's his account lol

[left bobcat]

SPRAY

Pew pew pew

[dusky wyvern]

I basically only nought sword to do dynamax on it, I don't even want to beat the game for etetrnatus

[foggy lodge]

https://pokepast.es/2ce440179c904d59

[muted edge]

Anybody struggling to queue up a match in singles?server down?

[foggy lodge]

Top 4😭

[dusky wyvern]

Yeah I had a bunch of failed bss queues today but it's oksy now

[left bobcat]

What the hell is that

[dusky wyvern]

I'm getting matches fine for the past 30 mins or so

[muted edge]

Oh ok odd

[dense latch]

LMAO i was just about to send that when i saw the teams dropped

[foggy lodge]

https://victoryroad.pro/2025-san-juan/

[dusky wyvern]

Almost everyone I got was from asia

This scarf kyogre lead is honestly just sweeping most people with water spout

[next stump]

BSS really popular in asia compared to NA and EU

[dusky wyvern]

That is why I wnat to play bss, different asian strats from showdown

Ancient chinese secret

[left bobcat]

No es amor no es amor

[next stump]

i’d be way more inclined to play singles if there were tournaments

[left bobcat]

Es una obsesión

[left bobcat]

Just use ursh

[dense latch]

https://x.com/cbuttyvgc/status/1892229281834578195?s=46 this sounds fun actually

Cbutty 🔜 EUIC (@CbuttyVGC) on X

X · Feb 19, 2025, 3:06 PM

[dusky wyvern]

Suicide is never the answer

Static/rock helmet zapdos is hilarious

[left bobcat]

Just use Tera normal choice band explosion

[molten oasis]

Oh hell nah

[dusky wyvern]

One more win for master ball rank

[left bobcat]

Lose

[dusky wyvern]

Thats really hostile

I did

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/2230yt/status/1892039712799441083

2230yt 🌺 (@2230yt) on X

POV your opponent just benched a low HP single prizer

X · Feb 19, 2025, 2:33 AM

omfg

The barrier of competitive games doesn't exist with this image

[dense latch]

i wish vgc got that type of move names

[torn parrot]

THATS TOP 4???

Holy mama

What a cool team

Holy fucking mama

[placid mist]

how do u get to 1300 on bo3

[molten oasis]

Lmfaooo

That’s so funny

[foggy lodge]

Spam games

Is not too hard tbh

[dense latch]

could be an adaptation thing

what’s the team?

[placid mist]

Ice rider balance

[dense latch]

the one you sent earlier i suppose

[placid mist]

everytime i get close i lose like 3 in a row

[left bobcat]

Holy BABY MAMA

That’s unfortunate

[foggy lodge]

Rising voltage Raging Bolt goes actually crazy

Booster energy in electric terrain OHKOs tera fairy Miraidon

[dusky wyvern]

I just played against raging bolt and I had a hard time dealing with it so I'm running ursaljna most times now

[foggy lodge]

My opp missed a rock slide and it won me the game lol

[mint void]

Which?

[placid mist]

https://pokepast.es/27314a5c3a7db44f

[rustic mountain]

a bit outdated honestly, i tried running some games with it recently it just doesnt feel good

id suggest looking up recently successful teams on victory road and trynna go from there

[placid mist]

What's outdated?

[rustic mountain]

ice rider balance

[placid mist]

like CIR peliper balance

[rustic mountain]

yes

[placid mist]

What teams do you think are the best right now?

[rustic mountain]

idk bout best, the format is annoyingly kind of wide open cause theres quite a number of viable restricteds and it becomes very matchup roulettey

[chrome knot]

@craggy dagger kat calls me her smol girl is it over for me…

[molten oasis]

Tang team good

[craggy dagger]

[dusky wyvern]

Im rank 30000 lol

Somehow I think this is pokeball rank

[next stump]

rank 30000 in master ball?

[dusky wyvern]

Yeah

[next stump]

damn thats a lot of people, didnt know it went that far

[dusky wyvern]

It basically means you aren't really master ball rank lol

[mint void]

Nah

[dusky wyvern]

I don't think you can rank out

[mint void]

@dusky wyvern did u drop that much?

Or is it ur entry?

[dusky wyvern]

I got in at 20k and dropped

You love to see it

[rustic mountain]

it was good, its extremely targetted now lol

[molten oasis]

True

Cuz it was crazy

[rustic mountain]

it was a fantastic meta call

now? not so much imo

ppl swapped heavy slam for behemoth bash on zama literally for the tera fairy cir

[dusky wyvern]

Caly ice is still listed as top tier in vgc reg g on smogon

[next stump]

smogon is pretty booty for VGC material

you're better off looking at dedicated VGC resources

[dusky wyvern]

Such as?

[mint void]

Jo mom

@dusky wyvern victory road, munchstats/teams, labmaus, statcrusher some other things i forgot the name off

@dusky wyvern check pins here too. Repository is fun if u wanna try some stuff

[dusky wyvern]

Nice

I want to learn it but I didn't see any major sites like smogon

[dense latch]

yea it’s more the team than the restricted

calyrex ice is still insanely good just has a bigger target on its back even outside of the tang team

[proven storm]

What's the burn chance on flamethrower

[next stump]

10 iirc

[proven storm]

Because some asshole just burned 3 of my pokemon with every flamethrower he used

[tiny karma]

Move: Flamethrower

Has a 10% chance to burn the target.

Type

Fire

Category

Special

Power

90

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[proven storm]

What're the chances

Would've won if even 1/3 of the burns didn't happen

[dusky wyvern]

Do the 10% status chances and 95% hit moves really add anything to the game

Aside making you feel like shit once few hours

once every

[proven storm]

They're just so stupid

3 burns in a row

How am I meant to play around that lol

[mint void]

Well considering that the 95% accurate moves are spread moves fro doubles yes

For singles its not worth

[mint void]

Happens. Considering Heatwave on my Volcarona is only 50% accurate the burn chance doesnt make up for it

[foggy lodge]

Pokemon is like that

Sometimes the game doesn't want you to win

[dusky wyvern]

I 30% chance moves are better balanced than 5 or 10

5% is too much variance

[foggy lodge]

Obviously is not just a game about luck but luck plays a big part in Pokemon

All regional champions have atleast haxed a swiss round or something

[mint void]

For singles sure. Since you can avoid that anyway by barely or noteven losing power.

[dusky wyvern]

I'm saying 1 out of 20 times is too small to reliably plan around it so when it does happen it just feels terrible

At least with a 30% move you know it has a decent shot at happening

[torn parrot]

i hope that tinkaton bulllshit wins

i HOOOOOPE

[left bobcat]

Lettuce hope

[torn parrot]

no stream right

[left bobcat]

Wait what’s streaming?

[foggy lodge]

For what

[torn parrot]

the top 4 team

for the special event thingy

i hope the tinkaton bullshit wins day 2

[foggy lodge]

But win where

EUIC?

[torn parrot]

san juan special event

[molten oasis]

What?

[foggy lodge]

Maya that was 5 days ago

It already made top 4

[solid frigate]

lol

[torn parrot]

oh

now i feel stupid lol

i havnt been paying attention

thats so cool

thats actually insane

it ended top 4

that guy is a fucking inspiration

[twin kindle]

GUYS

[foggy lodge]

what

https://tenor.com/view/garfield-spider-jon-arbuckle-spider-dance-odie-gif-20695666

[bold geode]

[twin kindle]

Hiii cuties🥺

I come here with another idea

Mega rillaboom , that sets up heavy rain and bolstered grassy terrain

[foggy lodge]

It already exists is called gen 8 Rilla because grassy glide was broken

70 BP with priority no way they thought that was fine😭

[twin kindle]

And gets a move called Decieve in that breaks both opponents through protect +4

[twin kindle]

Grassy terrain 😭

[astral kelp]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2304191824

honestly this team is kinda cooking

[molten oasis]

Please stop cooking

We don’t need mega rilla

[astral kelp]

dynamax rilla boom was so coool

[solid frigate]

LUNAAAAAAAAAAA

[solid frigate]

what have you done-

[astral kelp]

oops did not mean to send that lol

[chrome knot]

never cook again😭😭

[dense latch]

heavy rain is too balanced

give it delta stream but for grass types

[left bobcat]

So negate grass type weakness?

[dense latch]

yea

no weakness rilla with pre-nerf terrain :))

[torn parrot]

It’s dinner time

No pizza tho

Pizza day is Friday for when I get all the work I need done

[solid frigate]

its 3 am in the morning and i am hungry-

[astral kelp]

im tryna think of a dancer build

[torn parrot]

You can eat a snack

[astral kelp]

i definitevly want quiver dance and fiery dance

[torn parrot]

Man I wish you were here last reg

You really wanna play that reg bad

[astral kelp]

loool id prolly enjoy it more

reg h right\

no restricted format

[torn parrot]

Yeah

[astral kelp]

yeah man i wish

othis just means if i can make somethingt like this work then its evenb better

now

what restricted should i run for something like this?

not many options tbh

[solid frigate]

tbf

Thats Kommo-o own thing

And i think Me and Monke try CSR Kommo-o before

[astral kelp]

oh shit yea psych up kommo o

[solid frigate]

i did IDBP Kommo-o before-

[astral kelp]

idbp?

[solid frigate]

iron Defense Body Press

[astral kelp]

ohh righ

ofc thats a good idea

and i run like sitrus berry?

[dense latch]

berries are kinda mid rn since the calyrexes shut them down

[foggy lodge]

Leftovers

Dude i found a tera normal shieldon raid

It looks so funny

[astral kelp]

this looks good

[solid frigate]

remove The other 2 moves

[astral kelp]

the whole point of kommo o rn for me is clangerous soul 0-0

[foggy lodge]

How do you hit ghost types

[astral kelp]

now thats a good point lmao

[solid frigate]

Paladin (Kommo-o) @ Leftovers
Ability: Overcoat
Level: 50
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 156 Def / 92 SpD / 4 Spe
Impish Nature

• Body Press
• Iron Head
• Iron Defense
• Protect

Running 2 forms of style would not make it feel nice

Just run IDBP with Iron Head cuz its really consistent

[astral kelp]

ill just run clangerous instead of protect then

[foggy lodge]

Do not remove protect lol

It's the most important move for it

[solid frigate]

that kinda removed the whole purpose of IDBP

[astral kelp]

then i gotta run something esle lol the whole point of kommo o in this team is clangorous soul

[solid frigate]

then just don't run Clangorous Soul,you can live without it

[astral kelp]

but then i mighjt as well not run kommo o

im trying to make a dancer team

with this dood

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[foggy lodge]

I found a team with that Oricorio once in reg H

[solid frigate]

i rather just run Quiver Dance-

[foggy lodge]

It one shotted my Volca

[dense latch]

if u wanna run that type of gimmick that’s fine but know it’s not gonna work most games

[astral kelp]

Yea I prolly need to run sash it's very squishy

[astral kelp]

Ofc I'm well aware lol

[foggy lodge]

You need a restricted in first place

[dense latch]

just making sure

[astral kelp]

I was thing Csr psyhc up

[solid frigate]

what is with you obsessed with Psych up CSR-

[astral kelp]

It's so fun lol

That dondozo psych up team is sooo fun

[solid frigate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1209607711352819802/1328073659666927767/unnamed_3.webp

[astral kelp]

I could run a dragon dance set?

With zacian maybe

Brb

[twin kindle]

:3333333333333333

[twin kindle]

Mega tornadus, with a signature move called “:(“, which sets up aurora veil gravity tailwind 🥺

[chrome knot]

throws a brick at u

[solid frigate]

Luna pls no ;-;

[bold geode]

Hits you with frying pan

[solid frigate]

Hits you with a Bat

[torn parrot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQnOhNcFd_4

so im confused
in this vid he says sejun's magmar is 0 attack ivs
but then proceeds to show that its 12 attack ivs

so i dont get it

ahhhhh

aaaah he commented that he fucked up nvm

[next stump]

isn’t it because that magmar is impossible?

i remember watching that video

[dense latch]

https://pokepast.es/136a7bd75319fa1d any ideas for the last slot? feel like im missing some bulk and im not liking valiant all that much

im picking up this team after a while and i might change to water ursh too but idk

[molten oasis]

Hell no

[foggy lodge]

Why have i never seen a CIR miss a HHP on stream from a regional

Is that the CIR pro players's diff?

[foggy lodge]

What do you think the team would need to have if You don't have Valiant?

[molten oasis]

Hear out

Tapu bulu would have one niche of walling miraidon

[tiny karma]

- [Fairy]

Immune

Dragon

Resists (0.5x)

Bug, Dark, Fighting

Neutral damage

Electric, Fairy, Fire, Flying, Ghost, Grass, Ground, Ice, Normal, Psychic, Rock, Stellar, Water

Weak (2x)

Poison, Steel

Sableye version 4.28.1

- [Grass/Fairy]

Immune

Dragon

Resists (0.5x)

Dark, Electric, Fighting, Grass, Ground, Water

Neutral damage

Bug, Fairy, Ghost, Normal, Psychic, Rock, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Fire, Flying, Ice, Steel

Weak (4x)

Poison

Type Notes

Grass-types are immune to Powder-based Moves.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[molten oasis]

That niche wouldn’t be all that good

But it be a niche for it

[left bobcat]

Hmmmm

[molten oasis]

It would also need play rough or spirit break

And uturn, and gglide

[left bobcat]

For sum reason meowscrada is just coming to mind

Grassy terrain flower trick

With sword of ruin

[dense latch]

got recommended rockpon + volc as the last two slots and i kinda like the idea

i haven’t tried out volc yet in this format but it might be interesting

it’s really good into zama

[solid frigate]

Dgleam tho

[molten oasis]

Tapu bulu isnt koko lol

[solid frigate]

wait how bulky is it

[molten oasis]

Oh, nah av probably takes gleam okay

[left bobcat]

Tapu bulu is just-

[molten oasis]

As bulky as rilla, less hp higher spD

[solid frigate]

should tank one if Rilla can tank it

[craggy dagger]

doesnt bulu get glide?

[molten oasis]

Nope

[left bobcat]

Can be bulky

[craggy dagger]

damn ok

[solid frigate]

yeah now i understand why Bulu gets outclassed

THE STATS ARE ALMOST IDENTICAL

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 812: Rillaboom

Type

Grass

Abilities

Overgrow, Grassy Surge (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/125/90/60/70/85

Total

530

Sableye version 4.28.1

[craggy dagger]

oh you meant koko?

koko just has a better offensive type

[left bobcat]

Yeah except one gets fake out and grassy glide

[craggy dagger]

and doenst carry a quad weakness-

[left bobcat]

And the other doesn’t

[solid frigate]

then again the only poison move here that is common is Landorus

And Sneasler-

[craggy dagger]

[left bobcat]

Which can still obliterate bulu

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 890: Eternatus

Types

Poison/Dragon

Abilities

Pressure

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

140/85/95/145/95/130

Total

690

Other Formes

Eternatus-Eternamax

Sableye version 4.28.1

[left bobcat]

Beside poison should be the least of its problems

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 591: Amoonguss

Types

Grass/Poison

Abilities

Effect Spore, Regenerator (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

114/85/70/85/80/30

Total

464

Sableye version 4.28.1

Move: Sludge Bomb

Has a 30% chance to poison the target.

Type

Poison

Category

Special

Power

90

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Artillery

Does not affect Bulletproof Pokémon.

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[left bobcat]

Since incin exists

[craggy dagger]

[solid frigate]

fuck that shit

Honestly i did not even consider eternatus since the only set it uses Poison Move is in Specs or Offensive Sets

And i haven't seen Amooguss run Sludge Bomb in recent times

but why would you face them with Bulu

[foggy lodge]

ETERNATUS IS NOT TOO BAD

[craggy dagger]

stop dunking on eternatus

whatever happened to cosmic power stallternus

[solid frigate]

ok fine-

I'm dunking on its Stall set

[foggy lodge]

Specs is good

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/star-rail-honkai-star-rail-star-rail-herta-herta-kuru-kuru-gif-14452120073903977187

[foggy lodge]

Cosmic power is a fraud imo

[left bobcat]

LORB is good

[foggy lodge]

It has to play with some damage

[solid frigate]

just have a mon that can learn taunt

[foggy lodge]

Sadly it doesn't learn any set up damage move lol

[solid frigate]

Fake Out whatever the partner is and Taunt that guy

[foggy lodge]

It doesn't have nasty plot or calm mind and pressure its mid af

[solid frigate]

Pressure is aight

[left bobcat]

Just give it LORB

[solid frigate]

you can at least make some Restricteds Spam less of their signature and forces to actually play the game

[left bobcat]

Just give it a good bit of hp

And max that special attack

[foggy lodge]

If it does bad at EUIC i will finally declare it as a fraud

I think the tournament where it can do well is at EUIC

[left bobcat]

Give it some speed Tera fire slap a life orb and call it a day

[solid frigate]

stall Eternatus got day 2 in Bham

And i was like:Humanity is a failed Experiment

[left bobcat]

It’s just boring at that point

[foggy lodge]

Necrozma Dusk Mane also made day 2

[left bobcat]

Might as well play singles if you’re gonna do that lame shit

[foggy lodge]

Its a crit bait team imo

Once you get a little bit haxed it may be joever

[left bobcat]

Old me would’ve crashed out and threw hands

[solid frigate]

i sometimes thought why i want to play Crit teams

[left bobcat]

But bless that anger management

[astral kelp]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2304241316

this is my like serious team
https://pokepast.es/d4409a280a8531a6

my actual attempt at a team that doesnt have the big 5 restricted

thoughts?

[left bobcat]

Ohhhh so your SERIOUS team

So scary why that oughta show them

[solid frigate]

lmfao

[astral kelp]

i mean in comparison LOL

like a team i atcually play to win on

[torn parrot]

the fact that icy wind on kyrum white has any usage over glaciate is stupid

[molten oasis]

you cant use it

[left bobcat]

Icy wind? On kyurem white?

[molten oasis]

glaciate gets removed from its movepool

[left bobcat]

But BLIZZARD

BUT FREEZE DRY

BUT DRACO METEOR

BUT FUSION FLARE

[astral kelp]

people use icy wind??

[molten oasis]

apparently

[left bobcat]

I mean flutter/bundle use it

[astral kelp]

support kyurem goes hard

[left bobcat]

And uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[molten oasis]

dont use it for support man

[left bobcat]

Mannnnnnn

[astral kelp]

whats a pokemon that can kill cs and is good in trick room?

[left bobcat]

QUIT PLAYIN

[molten oasis]

cs?

[astral kelp]

im using kingabit but idk

[torn parrot]

wait what huh?

[astral kelp]

csr

[molten oasis]

when it fuses it no longer gains access to glaciate

[molten oasis]

CIR

[torn parrot]

wait so does it turn back into icy wind?

[molten oasis]

no

[torn parrot]

why can you apply it on showdown that's so weird

[astral kelp]

calyrex shadow rider?

[molten oasis]

jsut click lance twice

theres also ursaluna

[astral kelp]

that isnt a restricted ofc

i was thinking about ursa

good into miraidon too theoretically

[molten oasis]

uhm, gambit is fine

shifu under tr does a big chunk to it

[left bobcat]

ICE TITAN

[astral kelp]

problem with gambit is that i feel like he doesnt quite do enough damage and cant deal with shifu

i have it 0 speed ivs to outspeed CIR in trick room

[molten oasis]

yea gambit kinda meh this format

[astral kelp]

yeah he doesnt feel too strong

[molten oasis]

oh incin's a good option

[astral kelp]

thats why im tryna think of a replacement

yea i was using incin before

idk i feel like he doesnt fit in the team?? even though theoretically hes really good

[left bobcat]

Photoshop

[molten oasis]

whats the team rn

[astral kelp]

rn gambit tera dark sucker punch pretty much one shots CSR

https://pokepast.es/053643b996f568fb

i just changed thornados into murkrow

[foggy lodge]

What does Murkrow do

[astral kelp]

out taunts tornados

[left bobcat]

Taunting

[astral kelp]

trying him out mostly

[left bobcat]

Tailwind

[astral kelp]

i feel like quash is pretty interesting

[left bobcat]

Thunder waving

[astral kelp]

yea thunderwave prolly over quash

[left bobcat]

Uhhh foul playing ig

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 198: Murkrow

Types

Dark/Flying

Abilities

Insomnia, Super Luck, Prankster (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

60/85/42/85/42/91

Total

405

Sableye version 4.28.1

[solid frigate]

somehow flack is the one who feels normal here lol

[astral kelp]

i feel like foul play kinda sucks

[foggy lodge]

Out taunting a mon 20 points faster than you? Lol

[astral kelp]

hes dark type so he ignores prankster

[left bobcat]

Hmmmm that’s odd

[foggy lodge]

Because you want foul play mostly for CIR

[astral kelp]

yeah

[foggy lodge]

And murkrow is murkrow what is it going to do against CIR lol

[left bobcat]

Hmmmm

[astral kelp]

but in like every other case foul play dont do much lol

[solid frigate]

Murkrow is a support

it does not want to do damage anyway

[left bobcat]

Yeah nothing

[astral kelp]

yeah

anyways what do you guys think is better in this team, quash or paralyze

[solid frigate]

Twave

[left bobcat]

Waveee

[astral kelp]

oke wave it is

[left bobcat]

Yeah get wavy like me brah 😎

Oh wait you meant t wave

My bad

[astral kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-jobim-mateuslim-gif-14979434

my beloved

[molten oasis]

dont play murkrow man

murkrow sucks

[left bobcat]

Murkow ain’t that bad

[molten oasis]

your gameplan here is to stop CIR from setting trick room or outbulking it inside tr

[astral kelp]

thornados just kinda dies instantly after setting tailwind man idk

i feel like murkrow can survive and add more value

plus out taunt thorndos

[molten oasis]

why wouldn't murkrow???

even with eviolite its not that bulky into any restricted

[solid frigate]

just play Iron jugilus-

[torn parrot]

invincible ep in 2 hours

[molten oasis]

maybe try taunt bulkier shifu

[left bobcat]

Yeah I was about to say

Iron jug is like right there

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/iron-jugulis-hydreigon-pokemon-gif-9900724606209193308

[left bobcat]

Booster energy or covert cloak

[torn parrot]

that guy jugs is really annoying for shadows

[left bobcat]

Can’t be prankster encored

[solid frigate]

Booster feels better for Non Miraidon teams

[left bobcat]

Tapu fini doe 😫🫧🫧🫧🫧

[torn parrot]

tapu fini would have went crazy

for shizzle

[molten oasis]

I want tapu fini man

[solid frigate]

mhm

[molten oasis]

It be good into shifu

[left bobcat]

Tapu fini was lowkey my ace

[torn parrot]

water fairy just

[astral kelp]

i tried it still dies lol

[molten oasis]

Goated typing

[torn parrot]

so good

[molten oasis]

To what

[astral kelp]

is jug good??

[solid frigate]

its just a goated typing that is not fairy steel

[torn parrot]

yus

[left bobcat]

Yeah it has its uses

[astral kelp]

lots of things dont remember it was a while ago

[torn parrot]

i honestly like it more than fairy steel

[molten oasis]

Oh into CSR, yea uh go moon or jugulis

[astral kelp]

what should i run on jug?

[molten oasis]

[left bobcat]

Tailwind setter can play a good support role while providing a little offense

[torn parrot]

okay but i like zacian more than tapu fini lol

[molten oasis]

That typings goated don’t dis my dog like that

Oh good, but what about Primarina

[solid frigate]

snarl tailwind taunt protect

[left bobcat]

Tailwind
Snarl
Rain dance
Taunt

[solid frigate]

or Foul play

[left bobcat]

Covert cloak

[molten oasis]

No booster

He doesn’t have Mirai

[left bobcat]

Actually nvm I was thinking something else

[astral kelp]

wb ev spreads

[left bobcat]

I also use jug on my Kyogre teams

Well I used to

[left bobcat]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[torn parrot]

bulky

[astral kelp]

do i invest in speed"?

[left bobcat]

Time to look into the vault but you would want a bulky set sooooo

[torn parrot]

you dont need too too much speed but enough speed

[left bobcat]

Absolutely

You can go with

[astral kelp]

something like this (need to check speed brackets still)

[torn parrot]

looks pretty decent once you check the speed tiers cus i dunno them for jugulis

[astral kelp]

idk im still worried about taunt

[left bobcat]

252 hp
36 defense
68 sp atk
36 sp def
116 speed

Timid nature of course

[torn parrot]

taunt from like torn?

[astral kelp]

yea and murkrow

[torn parrot]

he's immune to it cus dark

[astral kelp]

oh wait really

[torn parrot]

dark is immune to pranskter

[left bobcat]

Yeah

[astral kelp]

yea but not taunt

[torn parrot]

taunt is prankster

[astral kelp]

oh wait yeah hes faster

so true actually

[torn parrot]

hes immune to taunt

[left bobcat]

Torn has prankster taunt

[molten oasis]

Tf is this doing

[astral kelp]

wait so hes just immune to taunt in general

[left bobcat]

So jug is just immune

[molten oasis]

He’s immune to priority taunt

[torn parrot]

yeah

[left bobcat]

Yeah

[molten oasis]

He can still be taunted by something faster than it

[astral kelp]

oh yea thats how i thought it worked

[molten oasis]

You are basically guaranteed tw tho

[left bobcat]

Yeah but by what?

[astral kelp]

he does outspeed my a9 which gets me to have tailwinded aurora veil tho

[molten oasis]

Flutter

[astral kelp]

being able to get aurora veil before they can press rain dance is kinda huge

[violet root]

Do decatty can learn ability swap?

[tiny karma]

Roaring Moon's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Aerial Ace, Bite, Body Press, Body Slam, Breaking Swipe, Brick Break, Crunch, Dig, Double-Edge, Dragon Claw, Dragon Rush, Dragon Tail, Earthquake, Facade, Fire Fang, Fly, Giga Impact, Headbutt, Iron Head, Jaw Lock, Knock Off, Lash Out, Metal Claw, Night Slash, Outrage, Rock Slide, Scale Shot, Shadow Claw, Stomping Tantrum, Stone Edge, Take Down, Throat Chop, Thunder Fang, U-turn, X-Scissor, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Air Slash, Dark Pulse, Draco Meteor, Dragon Breath, Dragon Pulse, Fire Blast, Fire Spin, Flamethrower, Heat Wave, Hurricane, Hydro Pump, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Incinerate, Snarl, Tera Blast

Status Moves

Dragon Cheer, Dragon Dance, Endure, Focus Energy, Leer, Protect, Rest, Roar, Roost, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Sunny Day, Tailwind, Taunt

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Roaring Moon.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[left bobcat]

Flutter would just attack jug

[molten oasis]

The guy running taunt booster moon

[torn parrot]

oh yeah flutter can stop jug

[molten oasis]

Well if they call you clicking Tera they could

[left bobcat]

Just a bad mu

[molten oasis]

Could also just click icy wind and follow up with Chi yu for a kill

[left bobcat]

Well that’s just on you

[astral kelp]

lets see pros and cons
pro:
tankier than murkrow
covert cloak
can actually do damage
can run snarl and protect
looks cool

con:
loses to taunt fluttermane
doesnt let me aurora veil into a rain dance if the raindancer is faster than it

[left bobcat]

Something like that

[molten oasis]

Why are you comparing jugulis to murkrow

Don’t use murkrow murkrow sucks

Or just go back to torn

[astral kelp]

why does it suck 0-0

[molten oasis]

Tornadus and whimsicott and roaring moon and iron jugulis and fluttermane outclass it

[left bobcat]

Yeah torn too frail to do anything

[molten oasis]

It also sucks into zacian miraidon CIR fairy CSR shifu (no bbird)

[left bobcat]

Whims can’t exactly do nothing

[molten oasis]

Torn is not frail

If you build torn bulky that things a pest

And technically if torn sets up tailwind and dies it did its job

[left bobcat]

Moon gotta Tera as soon as it sees flutter or just dip

[molten oasis]

Or position well

[astral kelp]

same with murkrow no?

[molten oasis]

Torn is faster than murkrow and bleakwind is a better move

And you don’t really need more fairy weaknesses

[solid frigate]

Bleakwind just annhilate most of the Ogerpon Forms-

[molten oasis]

When flutter zama teams already make your life living hell

[solid frigate]

and deals with Opposing Urshifu

[astral kelp]

ig ill try this jug set

[molten oasis]

Plus at torn threatens damage when it’s done

[solid frigate]

its a Sub Attacker

[molten oasis]

Murkrow sits on the field and does nothing after it sets tw

[solid frigate]

that allows SUpport utility

[astral kelp]

thats kinda true actually yeah

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[astral kelp]

torn can run snowscape too which is really good for me

[molten oasis]

Torn or Jugulis

[astral kelp]

i got recommended this last time, what should i go for a bulky set?

[molten oasis]

Seem okay here

What do you do into zama, why are you Tera ground torn and have no bulk on a cloak set

[solid frigate]

just run Tera Dark

[astral kelp]

i got told dark was bad D:

[solid frigate]

trust me it works well with Covert sets

who said that-

[molten oasis]

Tornadus @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Prankster
Level: 50
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 212 HP / 196 Def / 4 SpA / 12 SpD / 84 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Bleakwind Storm
• Rain Dance
• Tailwind
• Protect

[molten oasis]

By who

[solid frigate]

thats like what Covert Whims and Torn use

[astral kelp]

like ages ago idk

[left bobcat]

….

[astral kelp]

not bad but like worse for my team

[molten oasis]

Dark is good now because of CSR

[left bobcat]

Lettuce move on

[molten oasis]

Let’s you set tailwind

[solid frigate]

also Encore breaker

[molten oasis]

Infront of CSR without exploding

[astral kelp]

alrighg

[cyan smelt]

Unless geezing caly s

[astral kelp]

im running snowscape instead of rain dance tho because kyurem and a9

[solid frigate]

yeah but that just one thing

Tera Dark Torn is just way more useful

[astral kelp]

sweeet

ig ill just run incin instead of gambit

[left bobcat]

Kingambit?

[astral kelp]

CSR answer and good int rick room but its kinda shit lol

[left bobcat]

It’s Tera ghost/flying right?

[astral kelp]

tera dark lol

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/competitive-pokemon-pokemon-chi-yu-zacian-gif-11975217553074508895

[molten oasis]

Don’t play gambit, try dengo

[astral kelp]

tera dark sucker punch tends to kill CSR

[astral kelp]

dengo?

[molten oasis]

Dengo is pretty solid with kyurem imo

[solid frigate]

I think this gif is specfically triggers Drago lmao

[left bobcat]

I’m pretty sure they are cover that option

[molten oasis]

Gives you a real line into zama which you suck into

[left bobcat]

It’s like csr 101

[astral kelp]

whos dengo lmao

[left bobcat]

Dealing with sucker punch

[left bobcat]

Gholdengo

[solid frigate]

honestly why are we helping him

[astral kelp]

OH gholdengo

[molten oasis]

That’s a jerk thing to say dude

[astral kelp]

you dont have to lmao

[molten oasis]

We should help if they haven’t acted like, well that

[left bobcat]

GASP

Friends lettuce not be mean

[astral kelp]

i like gholdengo a lot actually great idea idk how i havent thought of it

[solid frigate]

no i was like i already lose my sanity today lol

[molten oasis]

Then don’t say anything

[left bobcat]

Sleep

[astral kelp]

idk man im clearly new to the game

what do you expect lmao

[left bobcat]

It’s alright bro

[molten oasis]

I’m boutta pass out but I wanna help, if you don’t you can just chill but don’t say anything about it

[left bobcat]

Yeah I gotta sleep

[solid frigate]

i'll just take some popcorn and watch even more

[left bobcat]

I gotta be up in like 4 hours

[molten oasis]

Valid

[solid frigate]

i start to think my tweet does not comply to actions i did

[astral kelp]

Alg I gotta go anyways thanks for all the help :D

[gentle crag]

k4x1 has given 1 Gen Rep to drayagedrago

[astral kelp]

I think i got enough to be able to try a bunch of stuff and test

[astral kelp]

Thanks you too!

[gentle crag]

You gave Gen Rep too recently. You can give Gen Rep again <t:1740032042:R>.

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/hsr-honkai-honkai-star-rail-star-rail-herta-gif-14192562563923772477

[astral kelp]

i feel like murkrow would be better in this scenario

[molten oasis]

Why

I want you to tell me exactly why

[astral kelp]

i taunt torn then fusion flare zamazenta, they cant tailwind

then i can do my own tailwind

[molten oasis]

TORNADUS IS FASTER THAN MURKROW

It would not matter

[astral kelp]

oh true lmao

well then id be able to prankster tailwind and flair zama before it can hit me

[molten oasis]

No cuz zama is faster than kyurem

I don’t see how murkrow is better here

[astral kelp]

i see okay yeah

then jug is definitevly better then LMAO

because murkrow wouldve died to the body press

[charred saddle]

murkrow quash

[torn parrot]

neat team

1 hour till invinicble

[astral kelp]

new season?

[torn parrot]

we been in a new season

this is like the 5th ep

[solid frigate]

anyways

Zacian+Gun

[molten oasis]

[solid frigate]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/866230603299946509/969796201966891018/A3172EF9-5632-4639-8FD3-568A03D9484A.gif

[torn parrot]

0 minutes left until new invincible ep

[molten oasis]

Opening of ff16

Was so damn cool, gimme more, I NEED MORE KAIJU FIGHTS

[astral kelp]

Wait what since when man imã not paying attention

[solid frigate]

more FF moment

Final Fantasy goes hard

[torn parrot]

Season 3 ep 5

[astral kelp]

why would people use talon flame as a tailwind setter over the other options

[solid frigate]

Gale Wings grants +1 Prio

[twin kindle]

I may actually be nocturnal

[twin kindle]

What in the flipper are u doing up

[astral kelp]

oh shit epic

[solid frigate]

huh?

wait Luna what happen-

[molten oasis]

One could ask the same to you

[twin kindle]

Nightmares

[solid frigate]

Did you have nightmares when sleeping recently?

[twin kindle]

No but I have a spider sense for nightmares

Hard day = bad nightmares

[solid frigate]

ah ok. wait isn't like 3 am for you or what

[twin kindle]

4

[solid frigate]

sigh.... i hope you have better sleep at least...

[molten oasis]

Ic ic

Just play vgc

that’s the real nightmare

https://tenor.com/view/scout-goes-insane-gif-25382090

[solid frigate]

Incin jumpscare

[knotty briar]

I'm trying to build a sun team
Should I use raging bolt or walking wake
This is what I've got right now

[real prairie]

Seems I have some morning reading....

[opal trout]

It’s only 595 messages

[real prairie]

yeah caught up now lol

@chrome knot

I can't imagine what sun + moon competitive was like with Me First + Spore 🤣

[cyan smelt]

wasn't that also dark void smeargle

[solid frigate]

Gen 7 Comp?

[real prairie]

im also just imagining double restricted me first Mewtwo with WaterSpout kyogre lol

[solid frigate]

oh god what are you cookin-

[real prairie]

nothing unfortunately becuase Me First doesn't exist anymore

i just saw a meme about "Me First" and looked into it

[left bobcat]

Ughhhhhhhhhhhhh

[tiny karma]

Move: Me First

The user uses the move the target chose for use this turn against it, if possible, with its power multiplied by 1.5. The move must be a damaging move other than Beak Blast, Belch, Blazing Torque, Combat Torque, Comeuppance, Counter, Covet, Focus Punch, Magical Torque, Me First, Metal Burst, Mirror Coat, Noxious Torque, Shell Trap, Struggle, Thief, or Wicked Torque. Fails if the target moves before the user. Ignores the target's substitute for the purpose of copying the move.

Type

Normal

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

20 (32)

Move Flags

​

Authentic

Bypasses substitute.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[wispy spade]

Why is after you + spore not a thing?

[real prairie]

right now its because there isn't an After you user that wins speed tiers

but usually its becuase its zero offensive pressure, you may aswell protect and spore and not take any damage on your after you user

because you can't spore both mons you are suseptible to taking a lot of damage

[next stump]

good morning people

[wispy spade]

Does hilligant+torkoal team normally have a spore user?

Can you make your partner slower with after you? Like if hilligant uses it in trick room

Would be fun to see torkoal move last in trick room

[solid frigate]

sleep powder Hilligant is a choice

[charred saddle]

after you only works with speed. no priority

[astral kelp]

whats goood with this guy

i like him :3

[charred saddle]

so going by speed,

ie. TR is up, Hlilligant will be the slowest.

torkoal goes first, then the enemies, then Hlilli will after you and fails

[charred saddle]

is this singles or?

[astral kelp]

doubles

[charred saddle]

going for rest is kinda not ideal for doubles.

[astral kelp]

vgc

[charred saddle]

again. double ups.

[astral kelp]

i thought so

[charred saddle]

fissure is eh.

[solid frigate]

also where the fuck is Protect on Ting Lu

[astral kelp]

i wana go gambling

o7

[charred saddle]

tinglu mostly runs stomping and ruination, rest of the moves can be throat chop, protect, or if its AV tera blast is a choice

have fun on losing the gamble

[solid frigate]

or like Dawei

Stealth Rock Ting Lu

[astral kelp]

wait stealth rock in vgc?

[charred saddle]

in the earlier reg, power ceiling isnt high, so u can run fissure and miss some

but now missing one basically is just bad

[charred saddle]

its just her plays and slow steady. tinglu dozo CSR

[astral kelp]

interesting

would i run the funny whirlwind'

[solid frigate]

And Blunder Policy makes you fast

Which is not what Ting Lu Want honestly-

[charred saddle]

not saying its bad, but its not a meta pick either

[solid frigate]

and good luck living against Water Shifu

[astral kelp]

oh really didnt think a pokemonwould ever want to be not fast

[charred saddle]

depends on the context

i mean tbf fast tinglu isnt bad(?) in some sense
just that ur losing bulk/damage output for some weird speed investment and will prob still lose the speed tier

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 1003: Ting-Lu

Types

Dark/Ground

Abilities

Vessel of Ruin

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

155/110/125/55/80/45

Total

570

Sableye version 4.28.1

[charred saddle]

45 so

[tiny karma]

Item: Blunder Policy

If the holder misses due to accuracy, its Speed is raised by 2 stages. Single use.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[charred saddle]

technically u can be faster with + 2 against incin and like rillas but i dont think its worth it

especially ur only faster after proccing the policy

so

[wispy spade]

[charred saddle]

like u can just invest more on bulk and stay alive getting more hits, getting more ruinations off

[solid frigate]

also you dont want to die against Urshifu water anyway,252|4 is not it

+that logic kinda feels flawed since look at speed stats

[wispy spade]

what about prankster+after you?

[charred saddle]

if TR is up, just dont after you? its simple

Hlilli and torkoal is like very simple

if TR isnt up, after you eruption
or spore eruption/heatwave

if TR is up, just swap and eruption

[wispy spade]

but i like doing complicated thinking i'll never need

[astral kelp]

252+ Atk Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Ting-Lu on a critical hit: 180-216 (68.7 - 82.4%) -- approx. 2HKOokay so thats not nearly as good as i thought it would be

2hko on a pokemon this bulky is craaazy

[solid frigate]

If you are in Sun Without TR,After you

If you are in TR,Spam Eruption and pray dont get hit

[charred saddle]

well duh its SE

normally its defensive tera is fairy/water

to avoid fighting/water

[astral kelp]

252+ Atk Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Ting-Lu on a critical hit: 150-186 (57.2 - 70.9%) -- approx. 2HKO
cant even do anything about it like

[charred saddle]

ioh and steel tera is ass

[solid frigate]

seen some Tera Poison for against Fighting as well while also against Rillaboom

[astral kelp]

urshifu just kinda kills his ass

[charred saddle]

idk why u chose that as ur tera

for tinglu

since ur still very open to fighting

[solid frigate]

tera water alone can wall CIR for a decent amount at least

[solid frigate]

yeah thats the whole point-

urshifu or Ogerpon Wipes Ting Lu

[astral kelp]

ic ic so thats why he doesnt see play

understandable

can someone show me how this works how do i like flip it help lmaop

[charred saddle]

flip for?

[solid frigate]

Its more like the specfic Niche does not help when there are faster and more better mons to approach thag Niche on debuffing special attackers

[charred saddle]

u can just calc both ways

[astral kelp]

ohh i click at the top ic

0 SpA Calyrex-Shadow Astral Barrage vs. 252 HP / 4+ SpD Vessel of Ruin Ting-Lu: 32-38 (12.2 - 14.5%) -- possible 7HKO
pretty good

maybe i run water ogre

wb fluttermane moon blast

[charred saddle]

tinglu strong point isnt to fight physical, also ground dark is actually a good coverage to current restricteds

CIR CSR miraidon fire tera koraidon

[solid frigate]

why are you calc for 0 SpA CSR-

[charred saddle]

u 252 on atk

[astral kelp]

OH LOL

[solid frigate]

also people would just Calm Mind Tera Fairy Dkiss

[charred saddle]

also with tinglu, since u have lower spD

its better to invest more in spD rather than hp

[astral kelp]

oh really i assumed youd always wanna go in full hp

[solid frigate]

basically Iron Hands treatment

[charred saddle]

i usually get the value roughly by
hp x spD = X

[astral kelp]

makes sense

would i go 252 hp 252 spd?

[charred saddle]

since it has higher base hp, getting more spD is better

[solid frigate]

252 AV lives a bunch of Stuff

[charred saddle]

in this case id just do second bump on spD, then rest is up to you

[charred saddle]

or just

[astral kelp]

man even flutter 2 shots it

[charred saddle]

calc something u wanna live from spD above second bump and put rest on hp/def/atk

[tiny karma]

Move: Grass Knot

This move's power is 20 if the target weighs less than 10 kg, 40 if less than 25 kg, 60 if less than 50 kg, 80 if less than 100 kg, 100 if less than 200 kg, and 120 if greater than or equal to 200 kg.

Type

Grass

Category

Special

Power

0

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

20 (32)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[charred saddle]

it is. SE. my guy

[astral kelp]

sorry what does SE mean?

[solid frigate]

what do you expect its Flutter Mane

135 SpA Super Effective Moonblast-

[astral kelp]

super effective ohh

[solid frigate]

I havent talk about Tera Fairy yet

[astral kelp]

wait actually

16% chance to 2hko

thats pretty good when you think about it

[solid frigate]

they can just double up

[charred saddle]

also, depends on the flutter build

i think rn most of it are bulky speed booster

no investment i think wont get 2hko. prob a 3hko

[solid frigate]

yeah bulky speed to live at least one Surging i think

[real prairie]

I find it incredibly funny i could just pick up a Archaludon and move it

how is it only 60kg

[solid frigate]

Pokémon Logic

[astral kelp]

no way

i thought it was a whole ass bridge

[charred saddle]

everyone was kinda stumped back then

cant even use heavy slam

[astral kelp]

bruh what

[real prairie]

its lighter than mantyke

[solid frigate]

Logik

[charred saddle]

back then kinda wanna run Body press, heavy slam, dracometeor and electroshot/something

but sad

[solid frigate]

reg F is so peak

[left bobcat]

Finally made it to campus

[solid frigate]

me who has 2 weeks of Term Break

[real prairie]

I have realised that after JB continuosly called Energy Ball, Grass Knot in his video on my team that Grass Knot may actually be the better move

[solid frigate]

grass knot kinda only works on the Gen 3 Weather duos

And Ursaluna

[real prairie]

its 100bp on Urshifu too

[solid frigate]

ok nvm that works

[charred saddle]

Energy ball is just more consistent

[astral kelp]

i went reg h back i never got to play it D:

btw is prankster after you a thing?

[charred saddle]

iirc i think no viable mon gets it

[real prairie]

also the chance at the SpDef drop i guess

[real prairie]

not without skill swapping

[astral kelp]

would be insane

[astral kelp]

might as well just use clefairy trick room then tbh

wait

thats just a wolfey team

has there ever been a good team with these guys

they look cool as shit

yo thats epic

[real prairie]

not a good move lol

[astral kelp]

thought not but its definitevly epic LOL

[real prairie]

i think you lose the HP if its protected or misses too

[astral kelp]

yea wording assumes that

idk im kinda running out of ideas

[charred saddle]

dawn winds necrozma is prob like the best there(?)

bulky + hugh spA

just that its kinda in a weird typing spot especially when ur up against CSR

[tiny karma]

Necrozma-Dusk-Mane's moveset:

Physical Moves

Aerial Ace, Body Slam, Breaking Swipe, Brick Break, Brutal Swing, Bulldoze, Earthquake, Facade, Fling, Frustration, Giga Impact, Gyro Ball, Iron Head, Knock Off, Metal Claw, Night Slash, Outrage, Psychic Fangs, Psycho Cut, Return, Rock Blast, Rock Slide, Rock Tomb, Shadow Claw, Slash, Smart Strike, Stone Edge, Sunsteel Strike, Thief, X-Scissor

Special Moves

Charge Beam, Confusion, Dark Pulse, Dragon Pulse, Earth Power, Expanding Force, Flash Cannon, Future Sight, Heat Wave, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Meteor Beam, Mirror Shot, Photon Geyser, Power Gem, Prismatic Laser, Psychic, Psyshock, Round, Shock Wave, Signal Beam, Snore, Solar Beam, Stored Power, Swift, Tera Blast, Wring Out

Status Moves

Ally Switch, Autotomize, Calm Mind, Confide, Cosmic Power, Double Team, Dragon Dance, Embargo, Endure, Gravity, Imprison, Iron Defense, Light Screen, Magnet Rise, Moonlight, Morning Sun, Protect, Recycle, Reflect, Rest, Rock Polish, Sandstorm, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Stealth Rock, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Swords Dance, Telekinesis, Thunder Wave, Toxic, Trick Room

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Necrozma-Dusk-Mane.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[charred saddle]

solgaleo is kinda better than duskmane just because solgaleo ignores intim

[astral kelp]

yeah ghost psychic has 2x to dark and ghost

[real prairie]

and gets wideguard

[astral kelp]

oh wait psychic and stel youi mean

[charred saddle]

psyspam duskmane TR is like the normal way to go

[astral kelp]

hmmm

[charred saddle]

4x. not 2

[astral kelp]

i meant like weakness twice

bro im so tired lmao

sleep deprived team building time muahaha

[tiny karma]

Move: Prismatic Laser

If this move is successful, the user must recharge on the following turn and cannot select a move.

Type

Psychic

Category

Special

Power

160

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Recharge

Has a recharge turn.

Sableye version 4.28.1

Move: Photon Geyser

This move becomes a physical attack if the user's Attack is greater than its Special Attack, including stat stage changes. This move and its effects ignore the Abilities of other Pokemon.

Type

Psychic

Category

Special

Power

100

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[charred saddle]

damn duskmane doesnt get moongeist

that kinda iffy

[astral kelp]

why tf does it have so many good spa moves but a shit spa stat

[charred saddle]

oh wait im looking at wrong set

[astral kelp]

like the moves tell me its a special attacker but the stats tell me its a physical attacker

[tiny karma]

Necrozma-Dawn-Wings's moveset:

Physical Moves

Aerial Ace, Body Slam, Breaking Swipe, Brick Break, Brutal Swing, Bulldoze, Earthquake, Facade, Fling, Frustration, Giga Impact, Gyro Ball, Iron Head, Knock Off, Metal Claw, Night Slash, Outrage, Psychic Fangs, Psycho Cut, Return, Rock Blast, Rock Slide, Rock Tomb, Shadow Claw, Slash, Smart Strike, Stone Edge, Thief, X-Scissor

Special Moves

Charge Beam, Confusion, Dark Pulse, Dragon Pulse, Earth Power, Expanding Force, Flash Cannon, Future Sight, Heat Wave, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Meteor Beam, Mirror Shot, Moongeist Beam, Photon Geyser, Power Gem, Prismatic Laser, Psychic, Psyshock, Round, Shock Wave, Signal Beam, Snore, Solar Beam, Stored Power, Swift, Tera Blast, Wring Out

Status Moves

Ally Switch, Autotomize, Calm Mind, Confide, Cosmic Power, Double Team, Dragon Dance, Embargo, Endure, Gravity, Imprison, Iron Defense, Light Screen, Magnet Rise, Moonlight, Morning Sun, Protect, Recycle, Reflect, Rest, Rock Polish, Sandstorm, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Stealth Rock, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Swords Dance, Telekinesis, Thunder Wave, Toxic, Trick Room

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Necrozma-Dawn-Wings.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[charred saddle]

oh ok it gets moongeist

so Eforce moongeist 2 flex

[charred saddle]

wrong name, meant to say dawn wings

the lunala necrozma

[real prairie]

yeah my fault, i was looking at Manes set

[astral kelp]

ehhhhh

[charred saddle]

duskmane is just ass, solgaleo is better since u ignore intim from incin

[astral kelp]

yeahy seems kinda worthelss

like you still fucking die whats the point when tera exists