I know i want a9 for sure
#competitive_discussion
astral kelp
solid frigate
the fact that this meme predicting the future is kinda creepy
molten oasis
Did they confirm silksong was dead?
torn parrot
“I know you’ve been waiting for it, and we made it”
“Here’s a tea time pokemon mobile game where you can have a tea party with your favorite pokemon”
astral kelp
Did they confirm silksong was dead?
No it's just hoaxes people are going crazy in the subreddit
molten oasis
Ok good
molten oasis
they were working on lethal company?
astral kelp
they were working on lethal company?
Yes
molten oasis
So they were working on tons of side projects
And that’s why we don’t have silksong, wtf
molten oasis
Next con it's gonna be revealed <a:copium_truck1:1113884682170417282> <a:copium_...
totally not copium
molten oasis
no i mean the original dialouge
i mean, she was gonna pass eventually
solid frigate
isnt Pokemon day is 2 days before my birthday?
22nd i presume?
astral kelp
Should I go light clay or sash on ninteails?
torn parrot
I actually hope they don’t reveal gen 10 at all
I hope we go another 2 years without any news on it
molten oasis
Should I go light clay or sash on ninteails?
depends
solid frigate
I actually hope they don’t reveal gen 10 at all
I hope we go another 2 years wi...
More SV comp wooooo
But really Gen 9 does not have many content it seems
torn parrot
If they reveal gen 10 right now I’ll know all hope is lost and we’re getting another rushed game
molten oasis
personally i prefer sash cuz a9 kinda just sits on the field and does nothing after veil goes up but i also feel games only go on for at most 5-6 turns
astral kelp
I need ninteails to not get one shot by literally half the game
molten oasis
If they reveal gen 10 right now I’ll know all hope is lost and we’re getting ano...
they announced ZA and gave us no release date information
astral kelp
personally i prefer sash cuz a9 kinda just sits on the field and does nothing af...
Yea that's what I'm thinking
torn parrot
they announced ZA and gave us no release date information
This is very good I like
I want them to take their time on every game and only release when ready
molten oasis
they could totally do that again
solid frigate
they announced ZA and gave us no release date information
i just wanna see how the game works but idk
molten oasis
watch them announce the starters and nothing else
and then litten is there, mega incin confirmed
torn parrot
More SV comp wooooo
But really Gen 9 does not have many content it seems
Im not even gonna lie im kinda tired of Tera
solid frigate
watch them announce the starters and nothing else
watch wolfey immediately post Mega Incin is real in twitter lmao
torn parrot
Kinda have started to miss when I can hit a pokemon and it takes superffective damage
twin kindle
More SV comp wooooo
But really Gen 9 does not have many content it seems
Tera is probably the only reason comp got as big as it did tbh
astral kelp
This is very good I like
I want them to take their time on every game and only r...
Agree
twin kindle
I don’t see them dropping it so early
molten oasis
because fairy tera
astral kelp
people need to fucking chill
astral kelp
Tera is probably the only reason comp got as big as it did tbh
Terá is really good
Like objectively the best mechanic
molten oasis
mega's we're also pretty big tho
solid frigate
Tera is alright in concept but some mons are overtuned
Like what the hell did they do to CSR and CIR
solid frigate
mega's we're also pretty big tho
too centralised imo
molten oasis
i honestly think CIR got busted mostly cuz of CLAM
astral kelp
mega's we're also pretty big tho
Yea but I think taras are way more interesting from a gameplay perspective
twin kindle
True
solid frigate
also playmaking potential for Mega is not as big as Tera
astral kelp
Like you know which pokemon are gonna mega evolve
molten oasis
tera is much more interesting
astral kelp
It's not really a big dealn
torn parrot
Tera is the coolest mechanic in my opinion with creative applications
But it’s also one of the most abusable mechanic
astral kelp
Agree
molten oasis
cough cough looking at you calyrex
astral kelp
So much like brain work tho like
solid frigate
Like you know which pokemon are gonna mega evolve
There is no Open Team sheet in Gen 6-7 unless is blantantly obvious
twin kindle
You can also like push people into a forced Tera , it can only be used against them
astral kelp
There is no Open Team sheet in Gen 6-7 unless is blantantly obvious
You see kangistsn you know what's happening for exame
solid frigate
You can also like push people into a forced Tera , it can only be used against t...
we love playmaking material
astral kelp
You can also like push people into a forced Tera , it can only be used against t...
Exactly it's super cool
Also like you have to respect when opp does a really good terá predict
molten oasis
my question is what do they do for a new mechanic next gen
torn parrot
Mega khang is really cool
I realized a while back people can literally fake out with scrappy and then mega evolve later if they want
molten oasis
mega khang is also extremely broken
torn parrot
Yeah I bet so
astral kelp
Dyna max was cool
molten oasis
parental bond, stupid ability
astral kelp
I'd say
twin kindle
my question is what do they do for a new mechanic next gen
Ability changes trust
solid frigate
mega khang is also extremely broken
and thats one of the reason why Megas are only cool in asthetic
Too centralised on few Megas and also they really dont know how to make Megas
Well balanced
torn parrot
With how limited the gen 6 dex is do you think they could just fuckin rip out a mega for every gen 6 pokemon? 😳
twin kindle
Idk tbh
molten oasis
and thats one of the reason why Megas are only cool in asthetic
Too centralised...
the concept was to give it to weaker mons
and then they gave it to psuedo legendaries
and GROUDON
and the other 2 who DID NOT NEED IT
twin kindle
I want mega calyrex
astral kelp
Lowkey I might run endure over protect on ninetails focus sash just because of urshifu
twin kindle
:)
solid frigate
I want mega calyrex
Luna no-
molten oasis
I want mega calyrex
astral kelp
I feel like i want megas and terra
torn parrot
Yes I too want to see mega calyrex shadow yes
They change it to fairy ghost instead of ghost psychic 
molten oasis
that would be so confusing
astral kelp
Like we need mega beedril bro
solid frigate
also like if you ask a Pokemon fan of picking between Megas or Teras
And if they pick Megas,you know they never play comp
torn parrot
Iv always wanted to experience a mega format
molten oasis
so they've made them big, temporary evolution, "5th" move, and type change
astral kelp
Terás are lame in a casual perspective yea you're right
Like even in game you always knew what the gym leaders would terá to and when so it's eee
molten oasis
yea what do they do
solid frigate
Iv always wanted to experience a mega format
i would not recommend
If you think restricted format is shitty than Mega format is evven more shitty
cuz 2015 is all CHALK.
astral kelp
We can agree that zmoves are forgettable asf
molten oasis
zmoves are also stupid broken
solid frigate
and we don't talk about 2014
twin kindle
There has been way more pokemon introduced since
molten oasis
honestly if they introduce new mega's, gen 10 might be a mega gen
torn parrot
i would not recommend
If you think restricted format is shitty than Mega format...
): oh
so basically reg C
I didn’t like reg C
astral kelp
Should I run hein chien pao with kyurem and ninetails?
molten oasis
wasn't reg d
twin kindle
yea what do they do
Pokemon fusión would be cool people clearly liked it in fan games
molten oasis
how exactly do you do fusions tho
torn parrot
Reg C was when they added the ruins on top of everything and every single team was built around them
molten oasis
but kitty
torn parrot
Didn’t like that
astral kelp
Dude fusions would be awesome
solid frigate
Should I run hein chien pao with kyurem and ninetails?
thats the second person to do that and that first guy did failed horribly
twin kindle
Fuse me a chien pao and chi yu
molten oasis
look at him, hes so cute hes just a li guy
astral kelp
If they let the community make a bunch of fusions it would be awesome
twin kindle
It’s ability his just RUIN
molten oasis
oh hell no that mon would be beyond broken
solid frigate
Reg C was when they added the ruins on top of everything and every single team w...
at least Reg C is build around 3 ruins
2015 is build around just Mega Kangaskhan
astral kelp
Chien pao ice spinner is really good against miraidon
astral kelp
Isn't chien pao like the only good ice type
astral kelp
dont run pao and a9 and kyurem you will explode to zama
Ahhhh I'll just run Uhhh
Terá ghost chien pao
molten oasis
chien pao a9 and CIR are imo the best ice types
a9 being up there is saying something about ice types and their viability
solid frigate
chien pao a9 and CIR are imo the best ice types
its literally defacto
astral kelp
Wasn't iron bundle good
molten oasis
it fell off so hard
solid frigate
Mid in this format
Its good in other formats imo
astral kelp
It's still super fast
molten oasis
i dont think it has enough results to warrant it being top 3
solid frigate
also the reason why Miraidon is in Fraud Watch
molten oasis
maybe top 5
astral kelp
Yeah that's fair hm
torn parrot
at least Reg C is build around 3 ruins
2015 is build around just Mega Kangaskha...
Yeah that does sound like reg G
astral kelp
I defnintveky want wide guard in this team
Maybe raichu to cover miraidon?
Or I can be normal and go rilla
molten oasis
a9 was really good in SM apparently, and then in SV it was meta
solid frigate
honestly with amount of Raichus i faced with Miraidon
Its kinda easy to face off against
astral kelp
honestly with amount of Raichus i faced with Miraidon
Its kinda easy to face of...
Switch into then fake out is decently good but yea it's not thaaat good
Wait lugia is a restricted mon tf
It barely feels like a legendary tbh
solid frigate
Wait lugia is a restricted mon tf
basically Box art legendary
molten oasis
doesn't lugia have the worst offensive stats that isnt cosmoem or cosmog
astral kelp
Ewww 90 atk and spa
molten oasis
for restrcteds
astral kelp
Ig it's got decent bulk
solid frigate
still gets nuked by Lunala out of all things
astral kelp
I thought lunala was super cool untill I realized that ghost type attacks kinda suck ass
And it has like a 4x weakness to dark
Lunala blows up to fucking knock off incin
solid frigate
I thought lunala was super cool untill I realized that ghost type attacks kinda ...
buddy thats just Bulky CSR
astral kelp
The team I made with it and comfey feels really good
I still just feel like it's damage and coverage is lacking
solid frigate
180+ SpA Lunala Moongeist Beam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Lugia: 102-120 (47.8 - 56.3%) -- 73.8% chance to 2HKO
Yeah its 2HKO that
molten oasis
exist
solid frigate
0 SpA Lugia Aeroblast vs. 228 HP / 4 SpD Shadow Shield Lunala: 24-29 (9.9 - 12%) -- possibly the worst move ever
PFFT
astral kelp
I always forget its not a water type lmao
molten oasis
lmfaooo
astral kelp
0 SpA Lugia Aeroblast vs. 228 HP / 4 SpD Shadow Shield Lunala: 24-29 (9.9 - 12%)...
LOOOOOOLLL
solid frigate
wait lemme make it max SpA
astral kelp
Tbf shadow shield is pretty fucking crazy
I've been running it with rilla and comfey heal she's pretty hard to get rid off
torn parrot
I hunger
solid frigate
+6 252+ SpA Lugia Aeroblast vs. 228 HP / 4 SpD Shadow Shield Lunala: 137-162 (56.8 - 67.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery and Grassy Terrain recovery
+6 252+ SpA Lugia Aeroblast vs. 228 HP / 4 SpD Lunala: 274-324 (113.6 - 134.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ SpA Lugia Aeroblast vs. 228 HP / 4 SpD Shadow Shield Lunala: 34-41 (14.1 - 17%) -- possibly the worst move ever
252+ SpA Lugia Aeroblast vs. 228 HP / 4 SpD Lunala: 69-82 (28.6 - 34%) -- possible 5HKO
this is so fucking depressing
astral kelp
Yea one shadow. Jsut kills her
astral kelp
+6 252+ SpA Lugia Aeroblast vs. 228 HP / 4 SpD Shadow Shield Lunala: 137-162 (56...
Can you check non booster 252 spa ghdengo?
5 HKO LOOOL
solid frigate
what an unfortunate mon
i'll compare that to Terapagos Terastal form and shows how depressing Lugia is
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
astral kelp
Can you check non booster 252 spa ghdengo?
Shadow ball I mean
molten oasis
op, thats the bad one
astral kelp
Less bulky than lugia
molten oasis
lunala has the better bulk, god damn 137 hp
astral kelp
Lunala is so tánky
solid frigate
252+ SpA Terapagos-Terastal Tera Starstorm vs. 228 HP / 4 SpD Shadow Shield Tera Fairy Lunala: 45-54 (18.6 - 22.4%) -- possible 9HKO
AT LEAST ITS WORKING
astral kelp
9 HIT KO
solid frigate
i haven't juice it up
astral kelp
Wait why terá fairy?
molten oasis
after shadow shield breaks it would do much more
astral kelp
Double
solid frigate
Wait why terá fairy?
Tera Starstorm is normal type pre tera
astral kelp
Oh right makes sense
I always forget that
Btw can someone tell me why pawmi was running terra stellar
solid frigate
252+ SpA Terapagos-Terastal Tera Starstorm vs. 228 HP / 4 SpD Tera Fairy Lunala: 91-108 (37.7 - 44.8%) -- 38.1% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery and Grassy Terrain recovery
252+ SpA Terapagos-Stellar Tera Starstorm vs. 228 HP / 4 SpD Tera Fairy Lunala: 128-152 (53.1 - 63%) -- 78.9% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery and Grassy Terrain recovery
i love my turtle
solid frigate
calm Mind moonblast does a solid chunk
astral kelp
Btw why do people run moonblast over the osychic option she has?
solid frigate
Dark types
180+ SpA Tera Fairy Lunala Moonblast vs. 196 HP / 36 SpD Terapagos-Stellar: 79-94 (30.3 - 36.1%) -- 14.1% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery and Grassy Terrain recovery
Also does a solid chunk to Terapagos
if Tera
but you need calm mind
molten oasis
on who
astral kelp
Lunala
mint void
Goat
astral kelp
hmmm what do i add here
maybe a rain setter?
i kinda get shit on by fire types
actually a ground type
what if i go for ursaluna for the random trick room match up\
or ting lu
shadow wind
This was my Kyurem White team if you wanted a reference, obviously it could've been a lot better but it worked for me
It was incredibly greedy but it did work for the most part
I really liked the AV Chi yu
astral kelp
this is my best attempt
lmk f there are any glaring weaknesses
oh i got something pretty similiar actually
shadow wind
I would put snowscape on Tornadus
astral kelp
it was between ting lu and landerous
i wanted to try ting lu since most of the time im swapping kyurem for ting lu
shadow wind
A fighting weak for a fighting weak?
Or fairy even?
They share a couple weaknesses
astral kelp
ahhh good point actualoly
i mean im definitevly not running ting lun against fighting
shadow wind
And I would say give that Urshifu aqua jet over u turn
U turn is great for choiced urshifus
astral kelp
but i actually dont have much against fighting in this team
im very much not certain on my ev spreads
strange fjord
Problem with Urshifu? Flutter Mane helps pressure them into a tera
or die if they dont tera
shadow wind
Yeah, the bear has a really really low spdef stat
strange fjord
unless sash
astral kelp
im planning on killing urshifu before it kills me lmao
okay i definitevly should run landerious
shadow wind
It isn't the worst idea
strange fjord
thats usually the plan for HO teams lol
astral kelp
HO?
strange fjord
hyper offensive
shadow wind
Wow Pizza how dare you call me that
shadow wind
Quite mean
shadow wind
Nah I don't got that kind of power
strange fjord
good thing they arent very loyal 19 followers
mint void
okay i definitevly should run landerious
LOrb Lando EP kills Urshifu
At least no bulk. I dont know the calc on bulky urshs
With EVs the live clap
strange fjord
LOrb Lando EP kills Urshifu
but urshifu rapid strike usually run sash or scarf so they can kill back with surging strikes. gotta be careful
mint void
Yes.
strange fjord
make sure you take some chip on them or have TW up before hand
mint void
Tera Water is a way to escape that but it commits a tera
shadow wind
And that's why Kyurem black is the best restricted
Scale shot doesn't care about sash
🧠 🧠 🧠
astral kelp
kyurem black has literally seen 0 play in 2 years LMAO
cyan smelt
copium
mint void
Next weird Bo1 test
strange fjord
have not seen any Kyurem black anywhere
shadow wind
I was playing Kyurem black !
mint void
Conner plays it
shadow wind
Whoa whoa whoa
astral kelp
huh why?
shadow wind
I "played" it
astral kelp
WHAT
shadow wind
Weather and terrains go bye bye
mint void
Turns off Terrain and Weather once@astral kelp
astral kelp
i had no idea
shadow wind
Pretty busted mon
mint void
But@astral kelp 8t doesn't do it ever again
cyan smelt
then they give miraidon volt switch to reset it lol
molten oasis
guy must like kyurem black as much as i like zac
mint void
Zac is fun ngl
shadow wind
Thank goodness I'm retired and don't have to ladder anymore
mint void
Made a quick team a few days ago Im playing here and there.
strange fjord
Thank goodness I'm retired and don't have to ladder anymore
are you coming out of retirement for double restricted?
molten oasis
lol
astral kelp
what wins
molten oasis
pffff
shadow wind
are you coming out of retirement for double restricted?
Eh who knows
molten oasis
astral kelp
THE TERRA STARSTORM CRIT NOOO
shadow wind
Double restricted seems extremely stressful
molten oasis
zac can work just need to build around incin well
molten oasis
Double restricted seems extremely stressful
oh i cant wait kyogre ruins incin's fucking life
shadow wind
Yeah but then you gotta deal with Calyrex Shadow and Miraidon
molten oasis
shadow wind
You miss your move and you lose
molten oasis
nah i'll win
shadow wind
So I don't even know if I'll play double restricted
strange fjord
Double restricted seems extremely stressful
dont have to rely on one restricted carrying the team on its back. but also horse
shadow wind
Anyway, I'm outta here
molten oasis
things like zac and groudon get stronger
shadow wind
Hopefully retiring for good this time
mint void
Its good u can only have one horse
molten oasis
but so do the horses
shadow wind
The showdown tab on my computer will be getting closed for hopefully the last time
mint void
Why tho?
shadow wind
I hate terastallization and I've been thinking about stopping for a while now
molten oasis
valid
astral kelp
omg freeze is so fucking good
shadow wind
Too much randomness and honestly I can't bring myself to play anymore in this meta
strange fjord
maybe next gen we'll see you
shadow wind
GameFreak needs to seriously fix their game and everything about it before I play it competitively ever again
shadow wind
maybe next gen we'll see you
There's a chance but probably not
Whole system is terribly designed and for having so much hype around the competitive scene it is managed awfully
molten oasis
you're talking about gf
astral kelp
hes so mad
molten oasis
the company that doesnt know how the fuck to balance mons
astral kelp
i gave in
molten oasis
wdym gave in lando is goated
astral kelp
i really wanted ting lu to be good lol
shadow wind
It is
molten oasis
you're playing it with kyurem white
astral kelp
i mean in that specificv team
strange fjord
Ting-Lu Zama makes my terapagos cry
molten oasis
i dont hate tera but i hate what it does to the calys, i hate them
shadow wind
So yeah I'm moving into the next chapter of my life, one without pokemon
shadow wind
Ladder has made me a more toxic individual as a whole and I hate that
astral kelp
who the hell is this
shadow wind
I don't think I've gotten one positive thing out of laddering
So I'm just going to stop
I wish you all luck with whatever you decide to do, I might pop in occasionally but I don't see myself coming back to the scene anytime soon
strange fjord
in person events makes the community feel better tbh. people at my local are very friendly (TO brought their cat once 
)
molten oasis
i wish i had locals
shadow wind
There aren't any opportunities around me and I'm going into college next year so my time and money would be stretched incredibly thin
astral kelp
calyrex one shots THROUGH aurora veil what the hell
mint void
There aren't any opportunities around me and I'm going into college next year so...
Valid.
Sucks seeing u arnd here less tho
mint void
calyrex one shots THROUGH aurora veil what the hell
+2?
astral kelp
OKAY BUT KYUREM IS THE GOATY
cyan smelt
draining kiss ninetales is not the play
astral kelp
Rough. Specs then. Id swap DK for Moonblast or Icy Wind
oh it learns moonblast?
mint void
Ninetales does
astral kelp
i missed that somehow
molten oasis
calyrex one shots THROUGH aurora veil what the hell
caly's busted
mint void
Man u can sort moves on SD by Power
mint void
caly's busted
Tbf both of them arnt that tanky and that Calyrex had a 2.25 boost on top of probably timid max spAtk
cyan smelt
- spell tag
molten oasis
fair enough
shadow wind
Sucks seeing u arnd here less tho
Nah you guys will be fine
I took a week break and no one seemed to notice
But this isn’t an “oh poor me” I’m just glad I get to say I’m free
astral kelp
KYUREM IS WINNING WOOO
strange fjord
I took a week break and no one seemed to notice
I noticed.
but also went on a break from pokemon too lol
molten oasis
i noticed i jsut didnt say anything
astral kelp
ifeel like a game with this much rng needs breaks lmao
molten oasis
ifeel like a game with this much rng needs breaks lmao
yes lol
shadow wind
Groudon was never meant to be pushed that far and it showed
strange fjord
I shared some mediocre teams I guess?
bro made it top 10 on ladder with Groudon and got their team featured on the team of the week. id say you're selling yourself short
astral kelp
could this team be ACTUALLY good
molten oasis
why is it green
cyan smelt
i have NEVER seen that before
shadow wind
bro made it top 10 on ladder with Groudon and got their team featured on the tea...
Nah ladder was crap at that time
No one was playing for some reason
young sapphire
anyone able to help me figure out ivs
shadow wind
Ivs or evs?
astral kelp
i have NEVER seen that before
really????
young sapphire
i frogot which one it is
astral kelp
whats it usually look like
cyan smelt
just slightly green when terrain is up
shadow wind
Yeah grassy terrain usually is like textured too
young sapphire
rip
molten oasis
whoever told me to go terra fire fusion flair
astral kelp
wait is kyurem white op?
it wasnt even buffed by anything it just killed
NEVER MIND I GUESS HES JUST BETTER WHAT
astral kelp
he got the double flinch????
like what
oger wood hammer too
some games youre just not mean to win
molten oasis
a lot of ogerpons run wood hammer tho
mint void
might be ev mb
Drip it
astral kelp
bro i think this is the team for me
i can almost build it in violet
i just need kyurem and a9
mint void
What ladder rank are u?
astral kelp
i just started playing so im like pokeball 1 but i have an 100% wr im pretty sure
charred saddle
yeah and then loses to weather wars, FO and cant set veil
forced to ghost tera and lose tera for kyurem
astral kelp
i was playing with an eternatus team
charred saddle
covert cloak a9 might help but no longer has the extra veil turns
astral kelp
im running sash
mint void
I noticed.
Same just like...what am I gonna do abt it. People will have reasons imma not drag you in here demanding to have u give input.
astral kelp
a more offensive a9
charred saddle
even worse i feel
mint void
i just started playing so im like pokeball 1 but i have an 100% wr im pretty su...
Bich i mean Showdown
astral kelp
oh lol
charred saddle
also people in pokeball one are new people and dont understand basics or even buildings so
astral kelp
lemme check
cyan smelt
people in pokeball basically use their in-game teams
astral kelp
also people in pokeball one are new people and dont understand basics or even bu...
yea ik lol
tho ive seen some serious teams
i think im like
just from playing today went from 1000 to just under 1200?
astral kelp
i just want to find an unique team that i like thats sorta viable
mint void
@astral kelp define unique?
shadow wind
Unique and viable are 2 things that are extremely hard to make work together
astral kelp
aw maan
astral kelp
Unique and viable are 2 things that are extremely hard to make work together
if it was easy it wouldnt be fun yk hahaha
mint void
Anything above is rough.
mint void
Ngl I feel a lot of people get this mentality from these Showdown skits of people using NFE teams in UBERs
astral kelp
i grab a base concept and try to make it work
i could see that but i do this in literally every game ive played
mint void
But its not realistic. Even if these werent skits 8t would take countless attempts to ge these games where everything goes according to plan
astral kelp
i got top 80 in legends of runeterra with mono shurima reksai when the meta was really tight
mint void
Tbf thats a totally different game
astral kelp
well ofc but thats what i find fun in games
finding weird off meta builds and finding ways to make them work
i had a strange pro killstreak baby faces blaster :)
aand now im losing a bunch lmao
how do i deal with calyrex shadow hm
double weakness to dark so maybe i go idk kingambit or something????
incin instead of willa?
shadow wind
I personally used Chi yu on my team instead of Rillaboom
molten oasis
short break huh
shadow wind
Makes the Kyogre match up a little bit harder but AV chi yu fries CSR
astral kelp
Makes the Kyogre match up a little bit harder but AV chi yu fries CSR
my kyogre matchup is FREE
shadow wind
I’ve played enough Reg G for 3 life times
molten oasis
no harm in hanging out you just dont have to play
astral kelp
ground type
mint void
@astral kelp post ur team please
shadow wind
Being around here makes me want to play though so I need to do it in extreme moderation
I’m lurking around until I go to sleep, but after that who knows if I’ll even open discord again
astral kelp
this is what ive been using
https://pokepast.es/a7d0df7a1f695756
so this is the version im about to try now
https://pokepast.es/7f49e9025b4b5c83
shadow wind
You can’t make me!
I’m free from the prison that is the ladder
Especially bo1 ladder
molten oasis
what is that kyurem set
shadow wind
That boy thick
mint void
@astral kelp maybe drop lando?
astral kelp
yea just did
dropped for kingabit to try deal with carylex
shadow carylex just wipes man, its fucking crazy
mint void
Id do Incin or ChiYu
astral kelp
rilla boom is there specifically just for miraidon
mint void
Also helps with Calyrex Ice
astral kelp
i dont reaaally have a problem with carylex ice rn unless they get trick room up
i was considering incin instead of rilla but then what do i have for miraidon
mint void
rilla boom is there specifically just for miraidon
I see that yeah. Dropping Lando worsens ur MU into Zama and Zacian. Zama would be solved by Tera Fairy. Zacian is bound by the cat
astral kelp
oh yeah and fighting types
mint void
i dont reaaally have a problem with carylex ice rn unless they get trick room up
Considering that TR is the main gimmick of CIR id maybe be a bit more worried abt it
astral kelp
i resist the lance so its not tooo bad
but yea if i change out rilla i have nothing for miraidon
mint void
Id maybe change tera on torn. Dark is more for slow bulky sets since these are prone to Whimsicott or faster Torns taunts
mint void
Cats might be stronger than dogs after all
astral kelp
Id maybe change tera on torn. Dark is more for slow bulky sets since these are p...
what do i run instead?
maybe tera ground
for its rock and eletric weakness
mint void
Resisting electric or ice is probably not bad. Dark is still fine since it helps with CSR i guess
mint void
@astral kelp 196+ Atk Rillaboom Wood Hammer vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Calyrex-Shadow Rider in Grassy Terrain: 163-193 (93.1 - 110.2%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO
Just so u know: ur rilla has a decent chance to OHKO no bulk CSR
mint void
Tera Grass Miracle Seed OHKOs any CST irrc
astral kelp
most csr run no bulk
mint void
But that's not worth for that team I think
astral kelp
agree yea
mint void
most csr run no bulk
Nah. Most have bulk. Especially physical to live Scarf Surging strikes
"most"
astral kelp
tbh i do one shot him with kyurem a good amount of the time from my experience
what are you using for calcs?
he just kinda outspeeds kyurem
astral kelp
so i was thinking sucker punch to abuse his 2x weakness to dark
he does run terra fairy tho hmm
anyways do you think kingambit is good there or should i run something else?
mint void
So uh
I was gonna say sash a9+kyurem with Blizzard+IcyWijd beats it but turns out
Timid CalyS still outspeeds Modest Kyurem by 1
astral kelp
yeah
pretty badly thats why i have him so bulkyt
NO WAY
aaand i think i just won lmao
mint void
So ur team loses to Hearthflame Ogerpon
astral kelp
nah urshifu shits on it
mint void
Not bulky one
astral kelp
ig ive gotten lucky so far then hm
mint void
Well its just that I think Kingambit just doesnt fit here
It offers nothing for that MU
astral kelp
yeah i agree
mint void
Kyurem can chunk it tho
mint void
Id try that
Rilla, Incin, Ursh and Torn are a pretty standard Tailwind Balance core anyway
Goggles incin is ur way to go I guess
astral kelp
im kinda tired of runnin incin in literally every team why is it so good 💀
every time im teambuilding its like
the best option LOL
can we move him to ubers already smh
mint void
Double fake out is pretty good for Specs. Intim is good for certain MUs
Well he has the most earnings of all Pokémon
And he is only from Gen 7
astral kelp
make incin a restricted pokemoooon
mint void
And only got intim in late Gen 7(?)
astral kelp
i bet incin would somehow still see play as a restrictefd
ill have him as slow as possible so maybe he can outspeed in trick room
mint void
i bet incin would somehow still see play as a restrictefd
In double restricted maybe. Singles not. Lando would just become more popular again
Or Harc
astral kelp
youve seen it a million times
arcanine is pretty good
lol
its such a good core double fake out is insane
im actually not running u turn on rilla rn
mint void
@astral kelp brother fix that incin
https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/
Go on here. Search for incin and take a goggles set
Just copy the EVs for now
Willowisp/Taunt > Flareblitz
U have a billion ways to hit Grass and Steel anyway
astral kelp
i have him min speed specifically for trick room amoongoos
wait no it still outspeeds nvm
but i think it should outspeed carylex ice in trick room
mint void
U can do that
astral kelp
thats the idea at least but maybe its dumb?
mint void
Incineroar @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 HP / 76 Def / 180 SpD
Impish Nature
- Knock Off
- Fake Out
- Parting Shot
- Helping Hand
mint void
No
Thats a spread from a CSR team. Though HH on Specs Kyurem could be useful.
Willo or Taun also hold big value tho. Maybe test it
astral kelp
ill try taunt
mint void
HH/Flareblitz/Willowisp/Taun would be the options
astral kelp
hes kinda too slow as is to use it right i think?
mint void
Knock off fake out and Parting shot are set
astral kelp
ofc
mint void
hes kinda too slow as is to use it right i think?
U should outspeed CIR at least
astral kelp
i have negative speed investment to outspeed cir in trick toom
thats like the plan i had
mint void
Nah bas idea if u run taunt
astral kelp
does cir do any set up?
mint void
does cir do any set up?
Trick room
astral kelp
usually it has a trick room setter
mint void
Nah
astral kelp
oh yeah but i can taunt trick room no matter what since its negative prio
mint void
Only hard tr
mint void
To outspeed base speed incin
.
astral kelp
ohh i see
cyan smelt
looks like resttalk dozo is back
astral kelp
isnt that just gambling
lets go gambling
sleep talk hits rest
wake up and sleep talk fails
cyan smelt
yeah but there's a 1 in 4 chance that you hit wave crash or order up
astral kelp
wait can sleep talk hit sleep talk
cyan smelt
no, you can choose sleep talk and it picks one of your moves at random
cyan smelt
no but why would you use it
astral kelp
because its really funny
cyan smelt
it's pointless
astral kelp
shadow tag sand attack :0
mint void
Is shit
They can still hit. There are moves that hit regardless.
Minimize has a tiny niche with Smeargel and Muk. Thats abt it
cyan smelt
That just ignores defence
torn parrot
Brave new world was 4/7
cyan smelt
Wait no I'm wrong it ignores all stat changes
mint void
Brave new world was 4/7
Cool scale bro
cyan smelt
Heavy slam ignores accuracy if the evasion is boosted in front of the mon with heavy slam
mint void
Wait no I'm wrong it ignores all stat changes
Only on the target
mint void
Just don’t let them psych up
Fuck I hate that shit. Have a hard time into Muk Smeargel since Im not running taunt atm.
cyan smelt
Those teams always have flamigo too though
mint void
Played it once but thats enough. Weird ass shit. Like muk doesnt do shit but its anoying.
mint void
once they psych up heavy slam rules no longer apply
Makes sense tho
Since the slamming accuracy and damage comes from the target minimizing
cyan smelt
I've switched to behemoth bash because I'm worried about the caly ice mu
torn parrot
Fuck I hate that shit. Have a hard time into Muk Smeargel since Im not running t...
I hate it too don’t worry
It’s why I caved in and added taunt
cyan smelt
Think I might put taunt back on torn, protect isn't doing much for me
torn parrot
Im pretty sure
Peopel don’t actually have any opinion about Snow White besides it just being another trashy live action cash grab
The only reason they feel strongly about the movie is that the actress is annoying
astral kelp
bro cocked with this one
astral kelp
They can still hit. There are moves that hit regardless.
Minimize has a tiny nic...
how is muk using minimize
like how does that 3ork
astral kelp
so its just muk with minimize and moody?
astral kelp
Wait did he always have that
no idea lol
this looks nasty
wait wtf muk actually has really good stats
torn parrot
These are all of your options you scumbag UwU 💖
astral kelp
CSR with psych up mate
yoooo
yea like
i know what scream tail is doing here but also idk what they are doing here
this is nasty
nvm flamingo got one shot
this poor raging bolt
torn parrot
Seems like screamtail was supposed to do the perish singing on the original concept
astral kelp
yeah but like why
torn parrot
Perish song tatsu
astral kelp
yeah but like this is a muk cheese team that needs 3 pokemon to work
torn parrot
Bring in dozo
Tatsu dies
Bring in flamigo
astral kelp
so like just give tatsu toxic orb
torn parrot
Did you get the paste form somewhere
torn parrot
The perish song is just to be faster and also affect the enemy
astral kelp
this is pretty nasty
astral kelp
The perish song is just to be faster and also affect the enemy
im thinking like you send in tatsu first
then you endure
or something hope they hit hiom
astral kelp
you switch dondo same time
torn parrot
you switch dondo same time
What
astral kelp
this strat is so disgusting lmfao
real prairie
Then he dies that turn
Turn after, toxic orb starts at end of turn so first chip damage is turn after
torn parrot
Turn after, toxic orb starts at end of turn so first chip damage is turn after
Right I see
astral kelp
but you kinda have to hope they hit the dondoo idk
torn parrot
I see that mostly with people using final gambit or explosion
astral kelp
explosion on giri?
real prairie
Endure explosion toxic orb is wild 🤣
torn parrot
Yeah
astral kelp
WAIT YEA LMAOOOO
your partner explosions thats so fucking funny
minimum bulk giri
the pay off isnt even that good flamingo kinda sucks
real prairie
Use alola golem and explosion is electric type 🤣
astral kelp
Use alola golem and explosion is electric type 🤣
torn parrot
Yes we know it works and we don’t like it
astral kelp
torn parrot
but for real tho scream tail can jsut be a psych up mon
or
Flamigo
Flamigo can be a psych up mon
astral kelp
im gonna relpace it with psych up carylex
torn parrot
Kk
real prairie
I need an energy drink to stay up
I got you bae, just have to make the 5k mile trip to get it 🤣
mint void
@astral kelp wrong way man
molten oasis
With a garbage ev spread
solid frigate
its kinad working
bro is in the dark side now
solid frigate
Garbage Mon
Wait Physical Giratina with No Physical invest-
real prairie
Yeah wild
solid frigate
this is literally the same thing with that one Lunala
torn parrot
Wait Physical Giratina with No Physical invest-
Even worse, special invest
astral kelp
<@421131865983025162> wrong way man
Wdym?
astral kelp
Im A giratina lover
real prairie
Even worse, special invest
Think this was him mocking a copycat
torn parrot
Think this was him mocking a copycat
What u mean
solid frigate
Even worse, special invest
didn't i sent the EVs of my Special Giratina before hold up lemme check
real prairie
astral kelp
I've actually literally never seen giratina
solid frigate
Giratina-Origin @ Griseous Core
Ability: Levitate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 196 HP / 4 Atk / 76 Def / 156 SpA / 76 SpD
Quiet Nature
- Shadow Ball
- Draco Meteor
- Shadow Sneak
- Protect
I should reconsider why i am doing this-
torn parrot
didn't i sent the EVs of my Special Giratina before hold up lemme check
No but this makes no sense because it has no special moves but special invest
real prairie
I've actually literally never seen giratina
For good reason
astral kelp
How do you see evs in game btw
torn parrot
It’s not the fact that it’s special invest but that it has no special moves
astral kelp
Istg I don't got the option
real prairie
Judge function is post game
solid frigate
i'm posting on my twitter just for fun
torn parrot
Click the bumper when at stats
real prairie
LB
astral kelp
Ahhh tytt
torn parrot
didn't i sent the EVs of my Special Giratina before hold up lemme check
Nahhh I don’t doubt in special giratina
I doubt in special giratina with no special moves
solid frigate
yeah
torn parrot
Is that shadow ball or something?
astral kelp
Oh shit
astral kelp
He knows something you don't
real prairie
maybe its a troll
solid frigate
Is that shadow ball or something?
shadow ball is 16 pp right?
It has to be SHadow FOrce or Poltergeist
and Sneak is priority so its 48
real prairie
its poltergeist
real prairie
someone trolling hard
solid frigate
as a Giratina fan
I don't know what to say-
real prairie
@torn parrot fun fact, bunneary hates people, it has the lowest base friendship level of any pokemon (Tied with legendaries)
solid frigate
lates people
torn parrot
<@386594600464416780> fun fact, bunneary hates people, it has the lowest base fr...
Ill grind it to max
real prairie
lates people
dyslexic moment
solid frigate
yeah idk-
first this and now see someone run Muk Smeargle
What the fuck is going on-
real prairie
Some people like Cheese
astral kelp
nyehehe
solid frigate
ok who let this guy cook anyway
real prairie
what is sleep talk for 
astral kelp
what is sleep talk for <:PikaLmao:678990785500413962>
idfk
some niesh case dont ask me LOL
real prairie
YOU ARE THE ONE TEAM BUILDING LOOOL
real prairie
i have to give you credit though, you found the 1/100 use case for Fake Out indeedee in 1 match, maybe youll do the same for sleep talk
astral kelp
oh good point
real prairie
also you still don't have a restricted LOL
astral kelp
this man is so confused
astral kelp
also you still don't have a restricted LOL
restricted are lame anyways
real prairie
drop the bird, but shadow rider with psych up
solid frigate
its more like why are you doing this
astral kelp
its more like why are you doing this
for fun hahah
real prairie
its more like why are you doing this
funny
astral kelp
oh my god it fucking worked
real prairie
low ladder nonsence
solid frigate
yep
cyan smelt
why is your screen so green
real prairie
uhhh why is it not commandaring
it has, you can tell from dondozo stats
astral kelp
NOOOO
real prairie
TERA
real prairie
OMG TATSU DIED
thats supposed to happen, then you bring out the bird
astral kelp
AHAHAHHA
astral kelp
thats supposed to happen, then you bring out the bird
eya ik i though grassy would outheal it
I FUCKING WON
real prairie
oh nah, just delays a turn
solid frigate
yeah i lose hope on new players.
astral kelp
HOW DID THIS OWKR HAHAHAH
real prairie
because you are low ladder lol
anyone that knows Golem is going to double protect in front of it
let you blow yourself up
astral kelp
im just gonna not use scarf and speed and hope it has enough bulk
real prairie
should do with Tera as an option
astral kelp
okee
real prairie
real prairie
yeah so maybe tera infront of a landorus lol
astral kelp
so calyrex instead of the flamingo
real prairie
which bare in mind, you aren't hurting with explosion, ground is immune
astral kelp
i could just keep it a normal type
like explosino a normal type
what shoulkd i run on shadow rider
oh draibning kiss
real prairie
what shoulkd i run on shadow rider
Protect, Psych up, Astral Barage, coverage move
astral kelp
im just tryna decide what the item should be
astral kelp
i feel like i dont need the damage buff
i just need to be able to live the psych up
cuz if that goes wrong i lose anyways lol
real prairie
i feel like i dont need the damage buff
bare in mind the quicker you kill something with CSR it gets a +1 SpAtk boost for each kill
astral kelp
man i wish i could run sash
real prairie
i just need to be able to live the psych up
its the fastest thing on the field 9/10
astral kelp
but smeagul needs it
astral kelp
its the fastest thing on the field 9/10
idk some random priority ghost move or something
astral kelp
so the sash makes follow me tnak damage for the muk thats setting up
real prairie
and give moody to Muk
astral kelp
so they cant just double muk
if they astral barage then a single target thing muk can die pretty easily
real prairie
Smeargle is imminue to ABarrage
real prairie
you could scarf it and piss people off with fast spore surprises, it means you are stuck doing the same move but thats fine, itll either spam spore, follow me or something else until it dies and gives Moody to Muk
astral kelp
is draining kiss ever a runable move on carylex lol
real prairie
is draining kiss ever a runable move on carylex lol
it is with tera fairy
astral kelp
yes
real prairie
after a couple kills it does decent damage
astral kelp
the heal seems pretty good
and ill run it something like this
ehhhh i dont need bulk actually i got sash
alriiight we cooked
real prairie
GLHF
real prairie
please do bare in mind this team is purely fun, don't expect to be topping ladders with it
astral kelp
hes gonna tailwind probably
astral kelp
please do bare in mind this team is purely fun, don't expect to be topping ladde...
well aware o7
how nice he gave my dondozo rain
real prairie
stall the TW
astral kelp
thank god fort sash
real prairie
double protect
real prairie
GG
real prairie
you played it right
solid frigate
so my problem wasn't against CIR (Tailroom ones)
It was hard TR
astral kelp
oh wait i cant spam endure i fucked up
solid frigate
cuz Hard TR+ Incin is 30/70 MU for me
astral kelp
shit lol
astral kelp
alright
real prairie
this won't end well
astral kelp
yea i think im cooked
real prairie
not sure why you didn't blow up turn 1 lol
astral kelp
i thought he was gonna double protect lol
astral kelp
learnt from my mistake o7
oh wait why am i not using order up
i forgot i got to keep tatsu
wait does he resist every move with substitute
real prairie
wait does he resist every move with substitute
no
because his HP isn't 100% anymore
real prairie
lol
astral kelp
real prairie
please do bare in mind this team is purely fun, don't expect to be topping ladde...
^^^
astral kelp
ill try the strat one more time but they have like
yeah golem explosion will not kill ursa no way lol
but it should get incin
mint void
Having dozo in ur team gurantees u beat me since I just cba. I hate this and I dont wanna.
Imma just not try when I see dozogiri
astral kelp
WHY DIDNT I TERA
i forgot he doesnt have to wait the one turn
ig ill stall toxic and burn
real prairie
yeah golem explosion will not kill ursa no way lol
its immune so no it wont lol
real prairie
gg
astral kelp
it wants to TR, don't let it, attack
wouldve lost if it wasnt for this
lets try the other mode now
real prairie
you stalled out the TR well, take the kills when you can get them
astral kelp
i think maybe golem ability is bait?
cyan smelt
wait, muk can learn explosion, you can copy golem's ability then use explosion again
astral kelp
itsx prolly way better with sturdy
real prairie
3x evasion and he still lands the SS
astral kelp
wait, muk can learn explosion, you can copy golem's ability then use explosion a...
muks my sweeper muahah
real prairie
unlucky
astral kelp
3x evasion and he still lands the SS
crazy shit right]
but yea i feel like galvantiunize is shit
im just gonna run sturdy with max attack and speed
real prairie
in which case you don't need golem
astral kelp
then i only have to worry about ghost typoes
astral kelp
oh true there are different ones
real prairie
galvanize kills the fast ghosties that trouble your CSR
real prairie
oooo electrode
weak
astral kelp
no attack yeah
wheezing
diftblim has 150 attack wtf
plus 3 immunities
oh wait hp not attack
real prairie
Azelf
astral kelp
125 attack decent speed levitate
real prairie
Regileki
astral kelp
even gargancl could be good
real prairie
Regileki
really good mon for speed control if they try TW you can electroweb instead of exploding
astral kelp
really good mon for speed control if they try TW you can electroweb instead of e...
very true
i want it to explode fast too
substitute is really funny too
fast substitute is scary
real prairie
meh, too fast and it just works as an expensive protect because they attack after you and you lose the substitute straight away
mint void
PLEASE dont explode with eleki
astral kelp
i have toxic on muk so its really good stall
mint void
hes to cute for that
real prairie
hes to cute for that
can be cute in the afterlife
real prairie
NO
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