competitive_discussion

[real prairie]

Even if running a rain team means playing at 2fps 🤣

[wispy spade]

Game is slow enough so it doesn't matter if you get hit by surging strikes or lagging strikes

[mint void]

shit is invisible if a weather is up

[real prairie]

The lag when you think you are gonna miss move is torture lol

[mint void]

the players on cart are also worse than the ones on SD imo. Like playing the VGC format on Showdown takes some knowledge of comp play. Anyone can play cart without knowing anything

[solid frigate]

Dont worry have that Flashback before

[real prairie]

I agree at the start, but at masterball rank playing people in top 1000 it's a bit more in line with upper ladder on SD

[mint void]

yeah sure

[real prairie]

But overall people on showdown are definitely of a higher caliber in general, because the sheer knowledge of showdown means you aren't a casual

[solid frigate]

it depends on preference

Personally Cart is Better on Practice for Tournaments since you can’t back out from the move selection once you confirmed it

Showdown i’d Argue is more casual in Bo1 while Bo3 is more competitive, but it really depends on teams

Since in Bo1 you can still find weird ass team(Sure Cart has them but usually they are lesser in Master Ball)

And JP players usually are more common in Cart while Worldwide is Showdown

[real prairie]

Just seen brazil regional soon, that's cool

[mint void]

I palyed stealth rock tera steel groudon on Bo3

I have only played groudon tbf

aginst these btw

there is fucked up shit in Bo3 too. Just not as common as in Bo1

[solid frigate]

tbf Stealth Rock did not suprised me after what Dawei did in Stream

[mint void]

was before that

[solid frigate]

Idk i dont really suprised by that since it was legit viable for Stall

But eh idk your preference not mine

[twin kindle]

Toxic spikes

[molten oasis]

Throw me some Zacian partner ideas if any of ya have ideas

I’m trying wake

[solid frigate]

yeah Thats Slightly more common cuz The funny ahhh Meteor Beam Mon

[solid frigate]

i personally like Walking Wake in the team so yeah go for it

[real prairie]

This shite is annoying on Gweezing Donzogiri stall teams

[little plank]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2289179664 ouch decided to try it out again...

[solid frigate]

Im gonna have nightmares on fighting that in Round 3

[real prairie]

I specifically went tera water timid Kyogre to make sure I could helping hands one shot weezing and Caly Shadow

[little plank]

Weezing dozogiri is what I was playing and doing well with. Then just started losing every match for some reason.

[real prairie]

Need to mix up the leads, I see a lot of them always lead weezing + CSR which is an easy double KO for me

[little plank]

Actually I remember why. I kept running into CIR teams with clear smog amoonguss

[real prairie]

I struggled more when they lead Caly Shadow + dondozo and I didn't know which they would switch out

[real prairie]

Fair

I run fake tears whims so I don't need clear smog

[little plank]

I'm just running zacian for now. Doing alright with it. But yeah the dozo caly s lead I learned was a great idea when I was running dozo terapagos in the previous reg g.

[molten oasis]

This kinda cooks

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2289192359-gpkfqy4ij2crz5sbkna9ma4ybrr9617pw

And also I really like hands hands feels so nice

[little plank]

I have no idea when I should be bringing regidrago. I feel like every time I bring it it just gets wrecked or even under tailwind it's still slow lol

[molten oasis]

Also cannot believe he clicked calm mind infront of me

[little plank]

Ditto has been winning me so many games lol

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2289200800

[real prairie]

I really liked the look of booster energy valiant coaching + iron hands, it's lethal

[twin kindle]

I don’t get why people like those teams seriously

It literally never wins 😢 it’s just annoying

[foggy lodge]

DozoGiri CSR wins lol

Is a inherently broken archetype

[mint void]

yes

[mint void]

meh just super anoying

[foggy lodge]

I remember it won a big limitless tour

In regionals it has got very good results

[solid frigate]

cuz its Easy mode against Restricteds that do not prepare or Overprepared

[little plank]

It got top 16 at worlds last year.

[twin kindle]

I don’t think little kids in low ladder are worlds players

[little plank]

It's still very easy to pilot for the most part. Get spikes down get dozo out is the premise of it.

[twin kindle]

They’re just so long and boring to play against and I can’t imagine having fun help

[molten oasis]

CSR players just like to find the worst things to pair it with

They like it when the opponent can’t have any fun

[little plank]

How to beat CSR dozogiri turn 2 lol https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2289220946

[solid frigate]

Yeah there is a reason i kinda skeptical kn Dawei’s Team

Dont get me wrong she is a good player,Its just i dont like the team

[solid frigate]

worst thing that I can’t really do anything against Dozogiri with both of my teams

[torn parrot]

A really easy task

[mint void]

Beat Up CSR

[left bobcat]

Bully the horse

[twin kindle]

Best I’ve got is whims

[solid frigate]

whims is goated tho we take it

[still plinth]

is stellar terra good in battles

[molten oasis]

Depends on what it’s on

[still plinth]

a koraidon with all different move types

[wispy spade]

if you want to die to a whimsicott moonblast, it might work

[solid frigate]

not ideal

even with Band set you mostly run tera fire

[craggy dagger]

252+ SpA Tera Fairy Flabébé Fairy Wind (60 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Koraidon: 192-232 (109 - 131.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[chrome knot]

its quad weak,,,

[real prairie]

Very unlikely you will come up against a Koraidon that won't burn it's tera in front of a fairy attacker

[craggy dagger]

i know

it’s a flabebe

[twin kindle]

Hehe it’s a joke that they die to literal specks of fairy dust

No surprise the chat that doesn’t find my puns Uber hilarious has no sense of humor/t

[torn parrot]

Sometimes they just be doin it for fun 😭

[plain drum]

LOL

[real prairie]

Koraidons love to tera hog

[craggy dagger]

unfortunately so

[little plank]

I have no idea how to beat kyogre teams with zacian.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2289351173

Just me getting mauled

[craggy dagger]

that was you getting unlucky with the para

[little plank]

The next game was same thing except my ditto got parad then another thunder parad my zacian lol back to back

[craggy dagger]

yeah rng just hates you today it seems

[little plank]

Welp here is another ogre

I feel that's the best 4 I can bring. Just not sure what I can fix.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2289359094

Every kyogre I lose to.

[torn parrot]

Holy crap

This is the team that was so annoying for me at the beginning of reg G revival

[little plank]

Every variation of the team I just can't win. Driving me nuts and of course I keep playing it.

[torn parrot]

Maybe you need a new team then

[little plank]

Tried just about everything. Zacian is the only restricted I've been doing well with.

[chrome knot]

wondering what restricted to try and commit to for a months worth of preppy

[torn parrot]

Fuck

I want cheesecake

Realizing there’s like 1 good ice type right now

and that’s why some people play glastrier

[craggy dagger]

have you tried scarf ditto?
it’s not the most conventional but it’s nice to always just go faster than someone while copying them
also in that lead case you could prolly lead whimsicott and regidrago to get a dragon energy off and do a big chunk of their health

[little plank]

I feel like I shouldn't bring zacian here

[craggy dagger]

and no i don’t think it’s your fault
you’ve run into a lot of gimmicky tornogre teams lol

[twin kindle]

Brr scary team

Incin and rilla I just struggle a lot against without farig

[torn parrot]

Gimmick kyogre is the most frusterating kyogre

Cus all it takes is to to be in a non ideal situation to be swept by water spout

Iv seen trick room himsicott

[foggy lodge]

happened rn lol

[torn parrot]

Explosion Strats

[foggy lodge]

Tho it was my fault for not bringing Inci in the match and instead bringing Ogerpon

[torn parrot]

Iv seen skill swap farigiraf kyogre to get around sunny day

Icy wind Basculegion

[foggy lodge]

And my sleep powder misses have been annoying but eh happens

Just gotta play better and not rely on a sleep powder

Maya maya mays

[torn parrot]

Wazzap?

[foggy lodge]

There's a limitless tour of bo1 rn

[little plank]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2289366441

Yeah think I made the right call not bringing zacian

[foggy lodge]

And its 50$ dollar prize pool for top 4

[torn parrot]

God damn

[foggy lodge]

I know you get really high on bo1 so you could try it

[twin kindle]

LOL

[torn parrot]

How many people?

[twin kindle]

Latte ditto cooked

[foggy lodge]

I didn't see too many maybe 30

[torn parrot]

Damn that’s so tempting actually…

[twin kindle]

Go get em woo woo

[torn parrot]

When is it?

[foggy lodge]

In 3 hours

[torn parrot]

Gyaaa

[foggy lodge]

Let me search it

https://play.limitlesstcg.com/tournament/6783cc577960ec710eff32d6/details

[torn parrot]

Oh the money is split up

[foggy lodge]

Yeah but

Free money if you get top 4

Better 10 dollars than 0

[little plank]

I'd do it if I had my team on cart lol

[foggy lodge]

Its on cart tho

[torn parrot]

That’s so true…

[left bobcat]

Some ganja

[torn parrot]

I dunno it would be a lot of time for such a small amount

Cus I got stuff

I wanted to do today

Thanks for telling me tho

I may do a tournament per weekend just for fun and chance at money but gonna try to limit it to that

[real prairie]

I main Kyogre, my answer for you would be Amoongus, tera water makes it basically impossible to kill by the time it's put Kyogre to sleep or reset any stat boosts from calm mind sets

[torn parrot]

Took like 7-8 hours

Lot of tera grasses out there tho

I can never completely rely on amoongus

[little plank]

Yeah almost every ogre I have seen has been tera gross

Welp just played against the regional winning team lol had me worried

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2289372045-y6945ifascr54f1hq28yp5eamgfjlzvpw

[real prairie]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DFRd_mhh6rF/?igsh=NTk5OXAyd2JhcGJv

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[left bobcat]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2289379130

as to how bundle survived this long is crazy

[little plank]

I really wasnt a fan of mega evolutions. But if any of the leaks are true for Z-A (go look them up yourself.) I hope they bring them back lol

[chrome knot]

@twin kindle what restricted am i bring to Vancouver

between like Lunala CIR Zamazenta

[twin kindle]

lunala for the peekaboo suprise or cir for the strict outplay depends what chuuu wannn

[chrome knot]

mm

Lunala is harder to pilot but when u find lines its pretty unlosable, cir kinda has auto wins but matches you hate seeing fucking suck

hard to decide ill just run 300000 sets from now till March

I got uspl wednesday so we’re playing tn & tomorrow btw :3

[twin kindle]

Yuss the comfies matter most, what you feel best with matters too

[left bobcat]

Yes

[twin kindle]

Yuss muehe, im totally not very bad

[left bobcat]

Yes

[chrome knot]

LOCK TF IN!!!

[twin kindle]

🔒 🚪

[chrome knot]

locked out !?

[twin kindle]

yes..

[craggy dagger]

i should practice against you so that on the off chance we face off, i win /t

[chrome knot]

0.0 you prob will win more than you think

[torn parrot]

i don't shame kyrum users, but i think what confuses me about kyreum is why do people put a bunch of work and effort and waste a pokemon slot with ninetales to use a spread move that is weaker than every other restricted spread move and requires a weather condition

[craggy dagger]

prolly not with the team im making lol

[twin kindle]

Funny atk stat

[craggy dagger]

cuz it has the highest special attack of all restricteds.
it does not care for a lower base power plus snow boosts defense which helps with Matchups into fighting types cuz usually physical

[chrome knot]

the only kyurem team ife made was gouging balance + scale shot kyurem black

[twin kindle]

Ashy kyurem

[craggy dagger]

but for having such a high special attack stat
it’s quite mid

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 646: Kyurem-White

Types

Dragon/Ice

Abilities

Turboblaze

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

125/120/90/170/100/95

Total

700

Base Species

Kyurem

Sableye version 4.28.1

[craggy dagger]

it’s typing isn’t good into the meta

[twin kindle]

Akward speed stat

[torn parrot]

i gues the snow does offer some nice utility

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 382: Kyogre

Type

Water

Abilities

Drizzle

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/100/90/150/140/90

Total

670

Other Formes

Kyogre-Primal

Sableye version 4.28.1

[twin kindle]

Maybe kyurem would be good if it set up snow

[craggy dagger]

yeahhh
but that just adds another layer in which it can fail

[twin kindle]

It also has a bad ability

[craggy dagger]

that’s
not true

Mold Breaker is great

[twin kindle]

Ooo :3

[torn parrot]

man that 700 base stat is such a scam

[craggy dagger]

it issssss

[torn parrot]

120 attack 😔

[twin kindle]

True I confused the ability for the signature move

[craggy dagger]

put some of that attack into speed pleaseeeeeeee

[craggy dagger]

which one lol

[torn parrot]

if it had like a bit more speed it would be actually pretty nasty

[twin kindle]

Me when a tiny baby fish out of water is faster than a literal fusion god

[tiny karma]

Move: Ice Burn

Has a 30% chance to burn the target. This attack charges on the first turn and executes on the second. If the user is holding a Power Herb, the move completes in one turn.

Type

Ice

Category

Special

Power

140

Accuracy

90

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Charge

Has a charging turn.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[torn parrot]

they didnt need to put all that into physical attack seriously that's overkill

[twin kindle]

Zekrom and reshirams

[craggy dagger]

that’s the fusion’s signature

[tiny karma]

Move: Freeze Shock

Has a 30% chance to paralyze the target. This attack charges on the first turn and executes on the second. If the user is holding a Power Herb, the move completes in one turn.

Type

Ice

Category

Physical

Power

140

Accuracy

90

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Charge

Has a charging turn.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[twin kindle]

Herb herb

[craggy dagger]

the there’s fusion flare/bolt, blue flare, bolt strike, glaciate

[twin kindle]

Hehe so manyyy

[torn parrot]

the fused attack needs a turn to charge? ):

[craggy dagger]

the fusion flare/bolt moves are actually kinda good
base 100 and 100 acuracy

[torn parrot]

oh this is just a normal attack

damn lotta signature moves

[craggy dagger]

yup

[craggy dagger]

i mean it’s a bit like necrozma though
the fusions get a move, then there’s their own moves when solo

[twin kindle]

Woah blue flare and bolt strike have a gimmicky effect right?

[craggy dagger]

zygarde is the only one with 4 signature moves without having to fuse two pokemon together

[pallid hare]

they have a high chance of inflicting burn or paralysis

[craggy dagger]

yep-
doubles base power if the opposite one was used first

[tiny karma]

Move: Blue Flare

Has a 20% chance to burn the target.

Type

Fire

Category

Special

Power

130

Accuracy

85

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[twin kindle]

For some reason I thought the abiiity was that whahhh

[craggy dagger]

which is basically
200 base power fire type special/electric type physical if one or the other was used first and then the selected moves goes second

scarf smeargle with either or + your selected restricted

[twin kindle]

Both resist though so why would I they ever…

GASP…

[pallid hare]

because it wasnt a well thought out gimmick

[craggy dagger]

glaciate is just icy wind

[torn parrot]

okay but when you actually calc tho

252+ Atk Calyrex-Ice Glacial Lance vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Wobbuffet: 154-183 (58.1 - 69%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ SpA Kyurem Blizzard vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Wobbuffet: 118-141 (44.5 - 53.2%) -- 30.5% chance to 2HKO

[tiny karma]

Move: Glaciate

Has a 100% chance to lower the target's Speed by 1 stage.

Type

Ice

Category

Special

Power

65

Accuracy

95

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[twin kindle]

Hehe you know a lot about them, experience making teams

[craggy dagger]

isn’t wobbuffet more specially bulky-
or am i misremembering things

[twin kindle]

Still 95 accuracy…flashbacks

[craggy dagger]

oh no nevermind hm

[torn parrot]

no i picked wobbufet because its equal on both sides

and its like when i see this im like why even bother

[twin kindle]

Freeze chance…flashbacks continue

[craggy dagger]

dunno tbh
i guess it’s faster?

[twin kindle]

Double blizzard is so evil

[craggy dagger]

also what sucks is that the kyurem fusion loses stab on fusion flare/bolt

[twin kindle]

Hehe some people just want to have fun with quirky peeps

[pallid hare]

kyurem never had stab for the fusion moves in the first place

[twin kindle]

Kinda like I refuse to remove chi yu

[torn parrot]

ye guess its comes down to quirky peeps

[torn parrot]

chi yu is such a good fish

i love it

[twin kindle]

So true eee
He’s my son

[molten oasis]

KYUREM

[craggy dagger]

drago drago

[molten oasis]

Kyurems funny specs blizzard goes brr

[craggy dagger]

why do ppl use kyurem

[twin kindle]

Locked and loaded answer respect

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/its-fun-cool-amazing-nice-shocked-gif-15669352

[craggy dagger]

cuz like if you base it off this calc

[pallid hare]

because kyurem

[twin kindle]

yerr all so silleh

[torn parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/kyurem-pokemon-gif-25570607

i guess there doesnt need to be any other reason

[molten oasis]

Ok go look at specs damage numbers

[twin kindle]

Good pointeh

[molten oasis]

Thing ohkos every koraidon Tera’d or not (minimum bulk)

[craggy dagger]

with blizzard-

[molten oasis]

It dishes out so much damage so fast

No with Draco

[craggy dagger]

oh

oh that’s a good point actually

[torn parrot]

is true you can put a damage item on it

[craggy dagger]

i guess in a way, kyurem is like
miraidon?

[pallid hare]

yeah, but not as fast

[torn parrot]

ehh

[twin kindle]

:( c-c-chi yu…

[torn parrot]

ehhhhhh

[craggy dagger]

able to do both spread and single target
unlike calyrex who’s main point of damage is spread with barrage/lance

[molten oasis]

Kyurems a strong balance piece

[craggy dagger]

true true
but you gotta remember kyurem doesn’t have a spdef lowering ability

[twin kindle]

Truly a Checkmate or checkmated

[chrome knot]

theres a good cir team that has chi yu on it,,,,,

[twin kindle]

Omg…is this the redemption..

[chrome knot]

ehehehe

[molten oasis]

Kyurem also needs snow imo

[twin kindle]

Can my son ride the horse to victory

[chrome knot]

uhm

[molten oasis]

So you’re kinda forced into using A9, which blows

[chrome knot]

perhaps!

[torn parrot]

ye thats the main turn off for me

[twin kindle]

Petition for snow restricted

[molten oasis]

Or just run torn but idt torn’s all that good with kyurem

Ong where’s the snow and sand restricted

[torn parrot]

next time

[twin kindle]

Snow Queen pokemon 💅🏻

[pallid hare]

somewhere where the weather's all fucked up

[twin kindle]

hehe, I’d try it

[torn parrot]

the sand one will be ghost type so that it cant take advantage of the sand
and the snow one will be a ice type with blizard

the gamefreak way Uwu

[molten oasis]

Damn lmao

[twin kindle]

It gets a sp atk boost with snow
Trust

[molten oasis]

Uh don’t get me wrong I like Kyurem but it’s really hard to use

Because wherever kyurem goes a9 follows, and if it you have snowscape torn which never felt good

[craggy dagger]

zamazenta the sand restricted

[pallid hare]

https://tenor.com/view/aladdin-disney-sand-genie-its-everywhere-gif-15651963

[twin kindle]

Doggo kick up the sand wuauaua

[molten oasis]

True

[craggy dagger]

i wanna try the zama ttar team

[molten oasis]

I’d totally bring Kyurem to NPAA but idt that’s a good idea

Not confident enough in it

the question is what lol

[mint void]

how much bulk does urshi need for roaring moon Thunderclap?

[molten oasis]

You mean raging bolt?

108 hp/180 spD

[mint void]

yes

[little plank]

Honestly that wouldn't be a bad idea for the next gen. Snow and sand restricted. And don't make them so dang unbalanced like caly ice and shadow lol

[molten oasis]

They will

[little plank]

I mean kiradon and Miradon wasn't to bad. I feel like Miradon wouldn't be so strong if csly ice and shadow weren't so strong and more people brought groudon.

[molten oasis]

No miraidon would be insane if caly’s didn’t exist

[twin kindle]

What good teammates does sand has sobs

[molten oasis]

Miraidon is their check

Fuck, the caly’s check miraidon

[little plank]

If groudon was able to show up more he would do the same thing

[left bobcat]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2289449762

[twin kindle]

I feel ice has a lot of unexplored potential but sand is kinda weak rn

[left bobcat]

did someone say iron bundle???

[molten oasis]

Groudon also relies on precipice blades

[molten oasis]

Snow is the weakest weather rn

Because a9 is the weakest setter

[twin kindle]

Yahhh I mean for the future games

Maybe they’ll add sand blizzard trust

[little plank]

I mean I got my gravity hypnosis groudon team to almost 1800 in the first regulation g. But now that caly ice is basically every other team I can't get it above 1500

[molten oasis]

Maybe

[left bobcat]

the most ive peaked so far was like 1627

[little plank]

I just got zacian above 1500 and that struggle was rough lol

[molten oasis]

genuinely wish I had a group to work on a NPAA zacian team with but nope lol

[left bobcat]

which is like in the 390s

[twin kindle]

Yeah…I got the highest during that time too
The meta has rlly evolved…

A lot harder nowssss

[left bobcat]

and trying to make bundle and the snow work is like-

[molten oasis]

Bundle is bad in snow

[left bobcat]

hard its just very niche

[molten oasis]

The only way to do things with snow is kyurem

Or frosmoth

[little plank]

I almost want to try running a version of the ice dozo team with kyurum.

Tera ice the dozo for the defense boost from snow

[molten oasis]

Why am I unironically thinking about taking kyurem to NPAA

[twin kindle]

Snow sanity left after that one ❄️

[molten oasis]

-8ball should I take kyurem to NPAA

[gentle crag]

should I take kyurem to NPAA
:8ball: Don't count on it

[molten oasis]

It has spoken

[twin kindle]

-8ball Am I bad at the game

[gentle crag]

Am I bad at the game
:8ball: My sources say no

[molten oasis]

-8ball should I take zacian to NPAA

[gentle crag]

should I take zacian to NPAA
:8ball: Without a doubt

[molten oasis]

PFFFF ok

[chrome knot]

focus on being drafted first i fear

[little plank]

I'm loving zacian lol

[molten oasis]

With what team

[little plank]

If I could figure out the kyogre match up I'd be golden

[molten oasis]

I’m not good with any other restricted lol

[twin kindle]

-8ball is emmie the best at the game

[gentle crag]

is emmie the best at the game
:8ball: Concentrate and ask again

[twin kindle]

-8ball is emmie the best at the game

[gentle crag]

is emmie the best at the game
:8ball: Ask again later

[molten oasis]

Pfff

[twin kindle]

grrr I will eat you

[chrome knot]

(??)

[little plank]

Whims zacian regidrago chi yu ogrepon water ditto

Ditto is a damn lifesaver

[molten oasis]

I don’t even have a team ready for NPAA, the moon stuff fell through

[chrome knot]

teams of players are drafted, then weekly matches are played

[molten oasis]

well ig I do I’m not confident

Do you not play games for the draft?

[chrome knot]

if ur drafted onto a team you do

if not no (obviously)

[little plank]

Honestly thinking about replacing drago though it feels good sometimes but others it just feels worthless

[molten oasis]

well that draft isn’t happening 🫠

I know tofu, that’s about it lol

[twin kindle]

-8ball is latte le best at le game

[gentle crag]

is latte le best at le game
:8ball: Very doubtful

[molten oasis]

Lmao

-8ball is monke good at the game

[gentle crag]

is monke good at the game
:8ball: Most likely

[twin kindle]

WOW IS IT BECUASE I SAID LE

[craggy dagger]

yeah i didn’t think so lol

[twin kindle]

Frenchpobic ball

[craggy dagger]

i’m too dum to be good at the game

[little plank]

-8ball is sinclair the best zacian user

[twin kindle]

Ghosted

[little plank]

Lmao

[craggy dagger]

master rank or boost

[twin kindle]

NOO UR LE BEST

[molten oasis]

well, that’s changes things, ain’t no way I’m getting in I know nobody

[twin kindle]

Nepotism at its finest

[next stump]

NPAA is mostly ladder rating + IRL results

[little plank]

I went 12- 2 to master ball with zacian lol both losses were to kyogre

[next stump]

NPA is those + knowing the right people

[molten oasis]

How does one who knows no one and has one random result on limitless get in lol

[twin kindle]

Asking for a friend ahh question

[molten oasis]

oh it’s ladder ranking that’s so much worse cuz I don’t play enough ladder

🫠

[twin kindle]

I be🍃 in you

If nobody’s cheering I’m cheering heck yeah

[molten oasis]

Time to hit top 500 on bo3 ladder today

[next stump]

peak ladder rating

so if you’ve been high-ish before

that counts

[molten oasis]

In bo1 yes

Multiple times, in bo3 no

And my results are spread across like 15 alt accounts

[little plank]

I nees to work on my bo3

[twin kindle]

You can say you have the power of 15 men

[molten oasis]

Imagine if I did

[twin kindle]

Charisma ur way into it

[molten oasis]

uhm, k I just need to hit top 500 by Saturday

Shouldn’t be too hard

Right?

[twin kindle]

Go drago goo

[little plank]

Had to change the avatar to the mon I use lol

[twin kindle]

Let me guess, ur a dog person?

My puns get worse by the day geez

[molten oasis]

Holy shit another zacian player

Impossible

[little plank]

Actually! I don't mind dogs when other people have them. I HATE owning them though.

[twin kindle]

Le puppy want le attention and le foodies and

Everything…they chomp anythign they physically can

That must be zacians origin he just saw a sword and said alright let me chomp

[molten oasis]

-8ball do we take zacian to top 500 bo3

[gentle crag]

do we take zacian to top 500 bo3
:8ball: Reply hazy try again

[chrome knot]

i play in closed circles so hope my resume of where I play locals/results comes in handy bc 2 4-4s are NOT doing many favours

[little plank]

I am a dragon person lol

[molten oasis]

-8ball do we take zacian to top 500

[gentle crag]

do we take zacian to top 500
:8ball: Signs point to yes

[twin kindle]

Ayy looks great ^o^

[molten oasis]

-8ball what about kyurem

[gentle crag]

what about kyurem
:8ball: Reply hazy try again

[twin kindle]

He looks like one happy koraidon

[molten oasis]

-8ball what if koraidon

[gentle crag]

what if koraidon
:8ball: Ask again later

[chrome knot]

-8ball will Vancouver be a good showing

[gentle crag]

will Vancouver be a good showing
:8ball: My reply is no

[molten oasis]

-8ball kyurem top 500?

[gentle crag]

kyurem top 500?
:8ball: My reply is no

[little plank]

He just woke up from a 4 momth slumber

[chrome knot]

ooohh im gonna bomb it

[molten oasis]

That wasn’t so hard now was it 8ball

[twin kindle]

It’s time to murder a ball first nova now…

-8ball I strike, do I mil you

[gentle crag]

I strike, do I mil you
:8ball: Ask again later

[twin kindle]

-8ball I strike, do I kill you

[gentle crag]

I strike, do I kill you
:8ball: You may rely on it

[little plank]

-8ball why you not work

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/588428f2ef3a07a6 what if i took this shit lmao

[twin kindle]

Wake wake

[little plank]

Is it bad every time I open a paste I think about how I would lead and play against it lol

[molten oasis]

Idk

Probably not

[twin kindle]

It’s a good thing! ^o^
Thinkin ahead of the curve!!

[molten oasis]

If you just starting the team

[craggy dagger]

[molten oasis]

[little plank]

I'd probably lead zacian whims into that honestly though as I would expect either hands ogre or iron hands to come out first lol

[twin kindle]

Oger…

Ogre le bonks you

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/bb52120b3c887104

https://pokepast.es/6eef4ea9180f60fd

https://pokepast.es/3890f1ddaace48d8

The teams i have

[twin kindle]

They’re all very cool
Zacian teams are sooo aesthetic…thou that’s not what normal people think abt

[little plank]

You have shiny zacian on cart dray?

[molten oasis]

Regidrago doesn’t click for me so I have to look elsewhere

[chrome knot]

if ur nearby youll hear the worst words ever flung out of somebodies mouth ever 😭

[little plank]

Some games I like drago especially against kiraidon teams as you know they're 90% of the time tera fire.

[molten oasis]

Yea but are they good?

[craggy dagger]

i’ll prolly just be around to cheer you on lol
i’m going 0-8

[chrome knot]

oop

[molten oasis]

Cuz the first 2 work just fine in bo1

[little plank]

And if they open with flutter I tera ghost and tera blast 1 shot the flutter.

[molten oasis]

But idk about bo3, which I’ll play to find out but the moon team fell through recently

[chrome knot]

right we'll be like pikmin and follow kat around bc 8ball says im bombing too

[molten oasis]

Doesn’t feel good :/

[twin kindle]

I like steel dragon duo
I play more aggressive so 1 looks good to me

[molten oasis]

-8ball is wake zacian worth exploring

[gentle crag]

is wake zacian worth exploring
:8ball: My reply is no

[molten oasis]

-8ball do I stick with moon zacian

[gentle crag]

do I stick with moon zacian
:8ball: Most likely

[twin kindle]

8 ball mayhaps thy lesson hath not been set in stone

[molten oasis]

ok then

-8ball could I play regidrago

[gentle crag]

could I play regidrago
:8ball: Ask again later

[molten oasis]

-8ball should I play regidrago

[gentle crag]

should I play regidrago
:8ball: Outlook good

[molten oasis]

…

[twin kindle]

Test em out ^o^ if ya need a fight mate I gotchuyyy

[molten oasis]

-8ball is regidrago better than moon

[gentle crag]

is regidrago better than moon
:8ball: Signs point to yes

[molten oasis]

-8ball you sure

[gentle crag]

you sure
:8ball: Reply hazy try again

[molten oasis]

-8ball u sure

[gentle crag]

u sure
:8ball: Outlook good

[molten oasis]

Alright

[twin kindle]

What I’ve gotten from this insightful gamba is:

1. 8 ball hates kyurem with a passion

2. 8 ball is a major regidraho enjoyer

3. 8 BALL IS A D1 HATERR

[molten oasis]

-8ball is peli something to try again

[gentle crag]

is peli something to try again
:8ball: Better not tell you now

[molten oasis]

Good

[twin kindle]

Ignorance is bliss

[forest arrow]

-8ball is pelipper bad?

oop

[molten oasis]

Eh idk if I wanna go regidrago those teams struggle into miraidon a lot

[twin kindle]

-8ball is pelipper bad?

[gentle crag]

is pelipper bad?
:8ball: It is decidedly so

[forest arrow]

lies

[molten oasis]

LMAO

[forest arrow]

i wont stand for it

[real prairie]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2289467096-gb6yes1c7zqy9aiafudqnzhioor2hf9pw

96% miss cost me the game, sad 😦

[molten oasis]

-8ball is stellar zacian good

[gentle crag]

is stellar zacian good
:8ball: It is decidedly so

[twin kindle]

Awee 8 ball was just lookin out for peli feewings🥺

[molten oasis]

[chrome knot]

-8ball is cir the Vancouver call

[gentle crag]

is cir the Vancouver call
:8ball: It is decidedly so

[chrome knot]

oh okay we on the same page

[molten oasis]

When is it not the call tho CIR’s busted

[chrome knot]

its the WINNING call

[twin kindle]

wins regionals
Interview:
Any shoutouts?

[molten oasis]

-8ball is pao a must for Zac

[gentle crag]

is pao a must for Zac
:8ball: Reply hazy try again

[twin kindle]

I would like to thank 8 bal.l…

[chrome knot]

LMFAO

[molten oasis]

-8ball is pao a must for Zac

[gentle crag]

is pao a must for Zac
:8ball: Yes, definitely

[little plank]

I'd say ditto is a must for zacian lol

[molten oasis]

-8ball what about shifu

[gentle crag]

what about shifu
:8ball: Better not tell you now

[chrome knot]

ID LOVE TO THANK 8BALL FOR GIVING ME THIS INSANE INSIGHT FOR THIS REGIONAL AND HELPING ME PREP

[twin kindle]

SO TRUEEE

[molten oasis]

no way

-8ball shifu is needed for Zac right?

[gentle crag]

shifu is needed for Zac right?
:8ball: Very doubtful

[molten oasis]

8ball got takes

-8ball ogerpon on zac teams?

[gentle crag]

ogerpon on zac teams?
:8ball: Cannot predict now

[molten oasis]

-8ball ogerpon good with Zac?

[gentle crag]

ogerpon good with Zac?
:8ball: Concentrate and ask again

[molten oasis]

This is what I get for asking competitive advice from a bot

[twin kindle]

-8 ball should Zac just simply solo the enemy team

-8ball should Zac just simply solo the enemy team

[gentle crag]

should Zac just simply solo the enemy team
:8ball: Without a doubt

[molten oasis]

-8ball ogerpon good with Zac

[gentle crag]

ogerpon good with Zac
:8ball: As I see it, yes

[molten oasis]

-8ball does zacian need tailwind

[gentle crag]

does zacian need tailwind
:8ball: Most likely

[molten oasis]

-8ball does zacian need fake out

[gentle crag]

does zacian need fake out
:8ball: You may rely on it

[molten oasis]

Ic I need fake out

-8ball hands?

[gentle crag]

hands?
:8ball: Cannot predict now

[craggy dagger]

someone remind me to it grassy surge on my rilla later

[molten oasis]

-8ball hands?

[gentle crag]

hands?
:8ball: Without a doubt

[craggy dagger]

i keep on playing with overgrow

[molten oasis]

I’m building the comp team with the bot fuck it

[twin kindle]

Yes maam

[molten oasis]

-8ball Hearthflame?

[gentle crag]

Hearthflame?
:8ball: Ask again later

[molten oasis]

-8ball Hearthflame?

[gentle crag]

Hearthflame?
:8ball: Cannot predict now

[molten oasis]

-8ball HEARTHFLAME?

[gentle crag]

HEARTHFLAME?
:8ball: You may rely on it

[twin kindle]

you know what they say…the enemy can’t read if you if you aren’t even thinking

[left bobcat]

ughhhhhhhhh

im having a love/hate relationship with bundle

[molten oasis]

-8ball Tornadus?

[gentle crag]

Tornadus?
:8ball: It is certain

[craggy dagger]

ask an ai to make a team for you lol

[twin kindle]

Good idea hehee

[molten oasis]

-8ball do I need a dragon

[gentle crag]

do I need a dragon
:8ball: Outlook not so good

[molten oasis]

-8ball do I need another special attacker

[gentle crag]

do I need another special attacker
:8ball: Concentrate and ask again

[left bobcat]

maybe i should try specs bundlehmmmmmm

[molten oasis]

-8ball do I need another special attacker

[gentle crag]

do I need another special attacker
:8ball: As I see it, yes

[molten oasis]

-8ball lando?

[gentle crag]

lando?
:8ball: Cannot predict now

[molten oasis]

-8ball landorous?

[gentle crag]

landorous?
:8ball: Ask again later

[molten oasis]

-8ball LANDO

[gentle crag]

LANDO
:8ball: Cannot predict now

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/scout-goes-insane-gif-25382090

-8ball is lando the pick

[gentle crag]

is lando the pick
:8ball: Reply hazy try again

[molten oasis]

-8ball please answer my question

[gentle crag]

please answer my question
:8ball: Outlook good

[molten oasis]

-8ball lando?

[gentle crag]

lando?
:8ball: Outlook not so good

[twin kindle]

Chat gpt says dengo, iron hands, flutter mane, arcanine , torkoal and iron bundle the play

[molten oasis]

-8ball you’re sure about no lando?

[gentle crag]

you’re sure about no lando?
:8ball: Signs point to yes

[bold geode]

-8ball would you like a Family Bucket

[gentle crag]

would you like a Family Bucket
:8ball: My reply is no

[bold geode]

Cringe ass 8 ball

[molten oasis]

-8ball chi yu

[gentle crag]

chi yu
:8ball: Cannot predict now

[molten oasis]

-8ball chi yu?

[gentle crag]

chi yu?
:8ball: Signs point to yes

[molten oasis]

4 rock weaknesses

[bold geode]

Shit yu?

[molten oasis]

-8ball are you sure

[gentle crag]

are you sure
:8ball: Cannot predict now

[molten oasis]

-8ball you sure about chi yu

[gentle crag]

you sure about chi yu
:8ball: You may rely on it

[molten oasis]

-8ball with Hearthflame?

[gentle crag]

with Hearthflame?
:8ball: Outlook not so good

[bold geode]

Me calling Chi Yu ass out of straight cope

[molten oasis]

-8ball cornerstone ogerpon?

[gentle crag]

cornerstone ogerpon?
:8ball: Very doubtful

[molten oasis]

Brother

-8ball chi yu better than ogerpon

[gentle crag]

chi yu better than ogerpon
:8ball: As I see it, yes

[bold geode]

-8ball should Drago run Cosmoem for GC

[gentle crag]

should Drago run Cosmoem for GC
:8ball: My reply is no

[bold geode]

Damn 8 ball WORK WITH ME HERE

[twin kindle]

Monkey stew

[molten oasis]

-8ball specs

[gentle crag]

specs
:8ball: Ask again later

[molten oasis]

-8ball specs?

[gentle crag]

specs?
:8ball: Yes, definitely

[bold geode]

I'll make a fine ass broth

[molten oasis]

-8ball whimsi over torn?

[gentle crag]

whimsi over torn?
:8ball: It is decidedly so

[twin kindle]

on second thought…macaroni sounds nice

[bold geode]

Fuck it macaroni time

[bold geode]

Drago you might as well let ChatGPT ladder for you at this point

[twin kindle]

Yuh yuhhh Marconi party while we see drago suffer

[twin kindle]

ChatGPT isn’t updated past 2022 I think…

[molten oasis]

-8ball do I need redirection

[gentle crag]

do I need redirection
:8ball: Signs point to yes

[molten oasis]

-8ball so cornerstone?

[gentle crag]

so cornerstone?
:8ball: Outlook good

[bold geode]

Ah well idk wtf the kids be using these days

[twin kindle]

It gives a reg C team if you ask I think

[molten oasis]

-8ball so Zac Pao Hands Chi Yu Whimsi Cornerstone good?

[gentle crag]

so Zac Pao Hands Chi Yu Whimsi Cornerstone good?
:8ball: Signs point to yes

[bold geode]

ChatGPT just gives you pala balance

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/f755c0cf61925c8a

[twin kindle]

Yummers

[twin kindle]

I love chi yu chien pao that’s so funny

[bold geode]

Brother's just using a bootleg version now of one of those weird ass talk AI apps

[twin kindle]

I was surprised to see it in a zamenzeta team already weak to fighting

[craggy dagger]

bish

[molten oasis]

Chat GPT gave me Zac pao TING LU BUNDLE GHOLDENGO and amoonguss

[twin kindle]

Bish indeed

[bold geode]

You calling me a bish or is that the answer

[twin kindle]

Help the caps

[bold geode]

Wait so we got an AI we call a bitch now?

Honestly valid
See @molten oasis AI is taking over after all

[molten oasis]

Why does this want me on ting Lu so bad

[craggy dagger]

i make cool teams :(((

[twin kindle]

Chat got got me Pao 😌 TING LU 😡 amoongus 😌

[bold geode]

At least it gave you Zac LMAO

Zacian totally was in Reg C

[molten oasis]

Wow it really looks ting Lu hands is what it likes

[bold geode]

Honestly Ting Lu like

Nah it's bad LMAO

Ting Lu like B at the very best

[twin kindle]

Think abt it ting Lu covers psychic and

That’s it but yeah

They’re the dynamic duo

[bold geode]

I can name like
10 mons that do that at least

[molten oasis]

I asked for a tailwind setter and got fucking talonfoame

[bold geode]

Its definitely on Reg C still lmao

Ask it for a Trick Room team real quick

[molten oasis]

It gave me whimsi when I asked for prankster tailwind setter

[little plank]

Team it just gave me is definitely regulation g lol

[twin kindle]

Did you specify SV

[twin kindle]

ELLY?

I thought it wasn’t updated help

[molten oasis]

I’m crying

Ting Lu gothitelle hands gholdengo iron treads fluttermane

[twin kindle]

It gave me walking wake mmm nvm

[bold geode]

No way it gave you that for Trick Room

[molten oasis]

This thing LOVES ting Lu

[twin kindle]

😭

[twin kindle]

Dengo too

[craggy dagger]

they ruled reg CDE remember

[bold geode]

No way it gave you fucking Flutter and Gholdengo for Trick Room

[molten oasis]

It gave me a team with no trick room setter

[twin kindle]

Yusss ^o^ bunchaaa mumbooo jumbo

[bold geode]

Min speed Flutter time LFG

[twin kindle]

Min speed iron ball walking wake

[bold geode]

At least I'll give it credit
It said Iron Treads so at least it's creative

[molten oasis]

Gyarados hands dengo meowscarada torkoal hands

[bold geode]

Ok we're devolving now

[molten oasis]

Well ig meow is a tr setter lol

[bold geode]

Meow does get TR

[craggy dagger]

[molten oasis]

We have I found magnezone

[craggy dagger]

i have one

[forest arrow]

I just asked for CIR team and it gave me Cir, Flutter, Arcanine, Amoongus, Hands and Ghold

[twin kindle]

That’s the reference tehee

[craggy dagger]

idk why but i have a min speed walking wake

[molten oasis]

It’s so reg c pilled

[craggy dagger]

2022

[twin kindle]

torkieee duooo

[molten oasis]

Ik but still

[craggy dagger]

yup

[twin kindle]

Smort smort

[molten oasis]

Although like, the thing really likes hands

[craggy dagger]

reg CDE

[bold geode]

Babe I think my Ice Rider is Spanish, it looks weird

[twin kindle]

Very trueee

[forest arrow]

Lmao

[twin kindle]

It was very admirable seeing you work so hard on it

[molten oasis]

Ok but unironically hands has felt good with Zac

Everyone I’ve had it it’s done pretty well

[craggy dagger]

i never used it

[twin kindle]

Monta hielo trust

[twin kindle]

Awee, it was fun while it lasted
I used to be soo adamant on lilligant torkoal

I grew to rlly love sunnn

[craggy dagger]

rain

[molten oasis]

Zac Pao Hands+3

[craggy dagger]

lmao
3 hands

[real prairie]

bunch of TR caly shadow on SD atm

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/72441e6efe861c56 they could never win

[left bobcat]

Don’t forget to subscribe

[craggy dagger]

i asked for a restricted format team
i got no restricted

[left bobcat]

Maybe subscribe next time

[molten oasis]

Wait hands Zac pao seems kinda good into a lot of things

[craggy dagger]

garchomp, bundle flutter. ting lu arcanine base, dengo

[left bobcat]

Hmmmmm yeah

[molten oasis]

Hands beats zama and if it Tera’s zacian/pao beat it

Miraidon has to Draco hands to do anything and can easily get the health back

And Zac always pressures miraidon

[left bobcat]

Mhmmmm

[molten oasis]

Hands should usually be able to take on CIR

[left bobcat]

I should write this down

[molten oasis]

And if they Tera fairy bblade obliterates

https://tenor.com/view/david-brent-the-office-ricky-gervais-thats-it-done-gif-16560078

[left bobcat]

Hmmmm yes interesting

[molten oasis]

Synergy

[left bobcat]

Now I gotta find a way to counter this

[molten oasis]

Flutter chi yu

With CSR

[little plank]

I'm really thinking about replacing drago with booster energy fluttermane

For the flutter chi yu combo

[left bobcat]

Drago is meh anyways

[molten oasis]

Go for it

[left bobcat]

So flutter/chi yu are better options

[molten oasis]

Hm, whimsi or torn

[left bobcat]

Hmmmm

Whims

Hmmm I wonder what if gamefreak made a non legendary version of ursh

[charred saddle]

boulder

[left bobcat]

And as a starter

[left bobcat]

Boulder?

[tiny karma]

Move: Mighty Cleave

Bypasses protection without breaking it.

Type

Rock

Category

Physical

Power

95

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

Slicing

Boosted by Sharpness.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[left bobcat]

Boulder is a legendary

[charred saddle]

ok.

[molten oasis]

The next thing I need is anti incin

[craggy dagger]

!!!!!

LEO

[charred saddle]

[charred saddle]

btw mom, look at generals a bit

[molten oasis]

Shifu probably, hands shifu has proven to work

[charred saddle]

i made something kek

[molten oasis]

Or lando

[craggy dagger]

yup i saw that

[charred saddle]

[little plank]

@molten oasis my first Bo3 with zacian lol https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025reggbo3-2289490795

[molten oasis]

nice

[mint void]

Ok I think I finally have a team Im gonna ride with

@little plank gg

[real prairie]

replicated my move from B'ham match 4 🤣 https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2289497478-03orursj33sqj9ituxdyb4yxj8so3qrpw

Does tera stellar jolly Chien Pao sucker punch OHKO flutter?

Nope

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/172071e9ea77ae12 this gonna be ass into incin lol

[craggy dagger]

where’s the gapdos

[molten oasis]

idt pao can generally ohko flutte with sucker punch

[mint void]

Yeah. Normal one only does like 70-78 or sth so ud need dark tera

[molten oasis]

i wasn't even sure on commiting to that

[real prairie]

Even dark tera it doesn't work 😭

[mint void]

@real prairie adamant should

Still a roll tho

[craggy dagger]

defiant helps against incin

[molten oasis]

im also sacrificing that spot for shifu

which i dont really want to do

[mint void]

@real prairie like if u run low ladder u probably can KO some cause they will run 252 252 no bulk

[real prairie]

252 Atk Sword of Ruin Tera Stellar Chien-Pao Sucker Punch vs. 244 HP / 132 Def Flutter Mane: 132-156 (81.9 - 96.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[molten oasis]

adamant

[real prairie]

I have jolly to outspeed Miraidon

[molten oasis]

most miraidon arent timid

a lot are modest and the worlds team has a bit of bulk

[real prairie]

There was something else to outspeed as well but can't remember what now

[molten oasis]

koraidon?

[real prairie]

Possibly

Either way, being fast than both either gets me the kill or forces the tera for Kyogre to sweep up later

[molten oasis]

fair enough

[torn parrot]

i didnt like reg C

reg c is one of those regs that was really stale to me

[balmy quarry]

General question, why isnt Walking Wake used as much as Gouging Fire or Raging Bolt? Walking Wake a personnel fav of the three for me but never seen it used

[charred saddle]

on usage bolt is definitely the highest, but gouging is kinda niche

wake works in sun team but thatsabout it

iron crown works in psyspam teams as quick eforce, + tachyon cutter

[molten oasis]

wake isnt even all that good with koraidon

[charred saddle]

but wake is like okay ish?

it does have high raw damage, but its kinda weak to some common mons

think like only bolt is being used in most teams

rest are quite hard to utilize, and quite niche

[torn parrot]

it outputs a lot of power but that isnt really that unique in this reg, a lot of commonly used mons have certain utility or a lot of good matchups into popular powerful pokemon
it can absolutely be used on a team and be strong, but it just doesnt have a lot of common every day uses to be used alot

[cyan smelt]

It sucks that burning bulwark only burns upon contact and it can still be taunted etc

[charred saddle]

and spored

but i think yesterday we do get to see a loaded dice koraidon + banded gouging fire which is kinda cool

[torn parrot]

gouging fire has his howl niche on top of being a fire type boosted in sun and raging bolt has his good matchup into urshifu and kyogre
walking wake just has his raw power so you gotta bank on that
he has a great defensively nuetral and offensive typing tho so thats a bennifit

[balmy quarry]

That is disappointing, there are some really strong water types and with unrestricted like Rapid Strike Urshifu i feel like it gets outperformed in that high damage water type user.

[charred saddle]

yeah, fast howl user, or breaking swipe

[trim hound]

It's also has the problem of Urshifu existing

[molten oasis]

shifu be like that lol

[charred saddle]

i think its support utilities are howl, swipe, then heat crash + burning bulwark

[balmy quarry]

back to the drawing board

[charred saddle]

i kinda dont agree with this, its true that shifu is kinda broken in somesense

but wake fulfills a different role than shifu
hydro steam got boosted in sun, it can get speed boost in sun with proto

and its specialattacker

[trim hound]

Because Urshifu solves the Water portion of a FWG insanely well

[charred saddle]

its just a different role at the end of the day id say

[trim hound]

Wake only exists on Sun teams though

[torn parrot]

for sure, you cant run rapid strike in sun

[charred saddle]

like udefinitelywouldnt use shifu water in sun

yeah

its just a bit harsh comparing them

[little plank]

Wish I would have sent game 1 regidrago ate half his team lol

[trim hound]

Not really, Urshifu sets the bar for basically every water sweeper

[charred saddle]

?

[cyan smelt]

Uh kyogre?

[charred saddle]

man do you understand my point

[little plank]

Urshifu sets the bar for basically every non restricted sweeper period lol

[trim hound]

Kyogre has a large buy-in cost (being a restricted)

[molten oasis]

wake and shifu do different things

[little plank]

Anyways I am off to finish playing the tales series before they remove it off playstation plus.

[molten oasis]

kyogre and shifu do different things

[torn parrot]

ye

[little plank]

Went 4-0 in bo3 tonight might play some more tonight but trading becomes a thing in pokemon pocket later so lol

[molten oasis]

on paper yes shifu is just better than everything

water type wise

[torn parrot]

urshifu is the standard but you would pick wake over it for specific reasons that you need it

[trim hound]

And yet when people look for a water type it's 99.9% going to be shifu

[charred saddle]

okay.

[molten oasis]

but its not like other water types dont exist and theres cases for not using rapid strike

[charred saddle]

reg E, waterpon

what

[trim hound]

Waterpon existed just because people needed outs to Urshifu

[charred saddle]

oh wow ok

and again it fulfills a differentrole.

[molten oasis]

waterpon was a strong redirector

[trim hound]

It was almost entirely due to Water Absorb

[molten oasis]

and had the plus of forcing shifu into close combat or u-turn

[charred saddle]

huh? since when

like redirecting itself is good

[trim hound]

Since Teal Mask dropped

[charred saddle]

man

[molten oasis]

teal mask always been the worst form

[charred saddle]

apparently thebestest have the worst opinions ever

[trim hound]

I meant the DLC

[molten oasis]

ic

[torn parrot]

gotta admit E was kind of a joke that i forgot existed

[trim hound]

Bro you are coping that Urshifu-Rapid isn't 99.9% the slamdunk choice for water types

[charred saddle]

thats the only regulations where i have freetime and do everything

[molten oasis]

are you gonna put rapid strike on a sun team

[mighty stump]

Lol

[trim hound]

Oh boy, cherry picking the 0.1% time you don't slam dunk Urshifu-Water

[molten oasis]

?

[torn parrot]

thats the only time were talking about

[lofty tartan]

0.1? Someone doesn't know percentages.

[molten oasis]

sun teams exists more than 0.1%

[trim hound]

I'm being hyperbolic ffs

But there is a reason Urshifu-Rapid is the most played mon at high ladder VGC on SD

https://munchstats.com/gen9vgc2025regg/1760/Urshifu-Rapid-Strike

[torn parrot]

everyone knows that he goes insane, were specifically just talking about wake having his niche

[molten oasis]

mhmm

[lofty tartan]

No one is out here saying Urshifu isn't the most used Water type. But it's not the only Water type that gets used.

Pelipper, Waterpon, Wake - they all see play.

[left bobcat]

yeah bundle-

[mint void]

Sun is as popular as rain rn

Legit same usage in san Antonio

[trim hound]

And its only used when Urshifu isn't the answer, and most of the time its the answer

[lofty tartan]

Urshifu doesn't set Rain for teams like Caly-Ice Rain

[mighty stump]

I feel like

[lofty tartan]

So there ARE water types that do what Urshifu doesn't.

[foggy lodge]

Unfortunatelu Dondozo Tatsugiri do too

[mighty stump]

Ya’ll are technically trying to say the same things but failing to see it

[trim hound]

Peli: 11.24%
Waterpon: 5.57%
Wake: 0.7%

[lofty tartan]

Reading raw numbers is failing to see the forest through the trees.

[trim hound]

Do other water types exist? yes
Is Urshifu almost always the answer? also yes

[mint void]

Nah

[molten oasis]

[foggy lodge]

3-1 at a limitless tour rn yipeee

[mint void]

Big

[torn parrot]

HELL YEAH GO CRAZY

[foggy lodge]

Groudon Jumpluff is cooking

(i only picked Jumpluff in 1 match lol)

[trim hound]

like yeah other water types do what Urshifu doesn't (no shit), but Urshifu is the one-stop shop for most restricteds needing a water-type

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/95d25a30b1b8906c anyway the next test, im gonna throw this straight into bo3

[left bobcat]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2289516903

[molten oasis]

found hands pao zac to already feel pretty solid on other teams might as well try it more, although i just have 4/6 mons from worlds

[left bobcat]

well I finally broke through the 1300s

well with this bundle/miraidon team

[molten oasis]

might have room for aqua jet for shifu but i think taunt is nice for amoonguss

[torn parrot]

nice job (((:

[left bobcat]

With Lunala getting to 1500s is a light pack

[torn parrot]

good luck

[left bobcat]

Thank you

[gentle crag]

l_delacruz__ has given 1 Gen Rep to mayahoppins

[chrome knot]

new goat arrived :3

[left bobcat]

I mostly go for a sash taunt ursh

[molten oasis]

nah bulky mystic shifu

[left bobcat]

Especially with no electric terrain

[molten oasis]

(i have pao no sash)

[left bobcat]

Or a bulky goggles shifu

[chrome knot]

@twin kindle <-- best vgc player in the world by far

[molten oasis]

nah mystic water

-8ball is Luna the best player in the world

[gentle crag]

is Luna the best player in the world
:8ball: Outlook not so good

[chrome knot]

she just beat me :3

shes proest ever

[molten oasis]

-8ball is emma the best player in the world

[gentle crag]

is emma the best player in the world
:8ball: As I see it, yes

[molten oasis]

damn ok that settles it

[twin kindle]

AM NOTT

[left bobcat]

Wth

[twin kindle]

TYY 8 BALL I NEVER DOUBTED U

[molten oasis]

the 8ball believes shes the best player in the world and you beat her so you at least compare in skill level

[mighty stump]

-8ball am I goated at VGC

[gentle crag]

am I goated at VGC
:8ball: My sources say no

[molten oasis]

LMFAO

[mighty stump]

Damn

[molten oasis]

-8ball am i good at vgc

[gentle crag]

am i good at vgc
:8ball: Ask again later

[left bobcat]

lol

[molten oasis]

brother

[mighty stump]

brother

[molten oasis]

-8ball am i good at vgc

[gentle crag]

am i good at vgc
:8ball: Better not tell you now

[molten oasis]

welp

-8ball am i good at vgc

[gentle crag]

am i good at vgc
:8ball: My sources say no

[left bobcat]

Hmmmm

[molten oasis]

-8ball am i great at vgc

[gentle crag]

am i great at vgc
:8ball: It is decidedly so

[charred saddle]

[molten oasis]

i broke the system

[charred saddle]

washed apparently

[left bobcat]

I’m too scared to ask

[molten oasis]

i mean, idt he played much reg h

[left bobcat]

Ik I’ll get shit on by 8ball

[molten oasis]

do it

-8ball is monke great at vgc

[gentle crag]

is monke great at vgc
:8ball: Ask again later

[charred saddle]

ik haha

[molten oasis]

-8ball is monke good at vgc

[gentle crag]

is monke good at vgc
:8ball: Without a doubt

[charred saddle]

just a joke

[molten oasis]

-8ball but is he great

[gentle crag]

but is he great
:8ball: Yes, definitely

[molten oasis]

damn alr

[charred saddle]

also, washed tofu > peak meanyway

[molten oasis]

true

[torn parrot]

limitles is pretty cool i think when i have time ill do them

and when i shake off the nerves

[molten oasis]

-8ball is maya great at vgc

[gentle crag]

is maya great at vgc
:8ball: Better not tell you now

[molten oasis]

-8ball tell me now

[gentle crag]

tell me now
:8ball: Don't count on it

[molten oasis]

-8ball is maya good at vgc

[gentle crag]

is maya good at vgc
:8ball: Outlook not so good

[torn parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/bard1a-sad-cat-sad-dark-dark-side-gif-11200514925795091536

[molten oasis]

damn wtf

[torn parrot]

8 ball noooooooooo

[molten oasis]

-8ball is maya great at vgc

[gentle crag]

is maya great at vgc
:8ball: Reply hazy try again

[molten oasis]

-8ball tell me

[gentle crag]

tell me
:8ball: You may rely on it

[charred saddle]

btw is pikalytics / munchstat updated?

[molten oasis]

that doesnt, bruh

[plush swan]

lf sprig

[molten oasis]

-8ball is maya great at vgc

[gentle crag]

is maya great at vgc
:8ball: As I see it, yes

[charred saddle]

i remember pikalytics not beingupdated for quite a bit of time

[molten oasis]

there we go

most of us are great but not good lol

according to 8ball

[charred saddle]

#trading_sv prob gonna have a better luck there, not the place to do trades

[torn parrot]

8ball is a harsh critic lol

[molten oasis]

9ball?

[plush swan]

its dead in there

is this the official pokemon btw

[molten oasis]

is 9ball the one that just deliberately opposes 8ball

[torn parrot]

exactly it was 9ball all along

[molten oasis]

fr

[mint void]

Its not. Just make a thread.

[left bobcat]

Alright I’m back

[charred saddle]

this is still not the right place to do a trade

[left bobcat]

So what did the 8ball say about me

-8ball am I good at vgc