competitive_discussion

[chrome knot]

yeah lmfao

[shadow wind]

You NEVER click a status move in front of Whims

[chrome knot]

I mean hes big cooked t1

[shadow wind]

Yea

Never seen a Chi yu Groudon team do well

Unless they're against me

[chrome knot]

noo + I speedcrept lunala to >250

[shadow wind]

Then they 4-0

[chrome knot]

beats out scarf timid chi yu lmao

hit it with rock after tw..

[shadow wind]

Most of the time

[left bobcat]

Absolutely NEVER

[shadow wind]

Why can meteor beam miss

And then electro shot is 50 times better

[left bobcat]

Yeah if it didn’t miss for the dinosaurs then why them

[left bobcat]

DLC

Let’s not forget surging strikes/wicked blow, astral barrage, glacial lance, ivy cudgle, and blood moon don’t exist

[chrome knot]

@balmy glen i kinda fw it idk if id ever commit to it but it’s silly

https://pokepast.es/8735220c5ac8cd04 60 second recreation of a soCal locals team definitely wrong but it functions well enough

[left bobcat]

Surging strikes and wicked blow always criting AB/GL being 120 spread moves with 100% accuracy, ivy cudgel having a high chance to crit and 100 BP and blood moon basically being a barely weaker hyper beam with not that big of a draw back

So of course arch’s dlc electro shot would be 100%

[shadow wind]

Man there is really only 9 Groudon teams in the featured section of VGCPastes Reg G

[left bobcat]

Better than mewtwo

[shadow wind]

Yeah but Groudon is the goat

[left bobcat]

Well anything is better than mewtwo

[shadow wind]

Mewtwo is just worse CSR

[left bobcat]

But Koraidon exists

[shadow wind]

😔

[left bobcat]

Groudon would be less stressful to use if it were a special attacker

[shadow wind]

Bro is not Primal with 150 spatk

[balmy glen]

just get the team from worlds he day 2 with it

[left bobcat]

But why not

WHY CANT IT BE LIKE THIS

why does our two legged dry crusty lava armadillo have to suffer?

[chrome knot]

i be in bed

thatll be a tomorrow project

[atomic portal]

u right, drinking under 21 is stupid and drinking in general is goofy. i do, however, have to credit the greatest pawmot team to grace us to a bottle.

[shadow wind]

What is with all the Zama recently?

There's like a trillion of em

[molten oasis]

zama good

[balmy glen]

ez

[real prairie]

Which is really worrying me about B'ham as its not a great matchup for me lol

[shadow wind]

It does kinda seem like an easy restricted

Just bulky and doesn’t die

Can’t be intimidated either

[cyan smelt]

That's why tera ghost incin

[shadow wind]

Just waiting for the leer tech to come back

Spicy extract anyone?

[real prairie]

yeah might have to swap my Incin back to Ghost from Water

i can kill it somewhat comfortably as long as i can stop it wide guarding, so might be tera ghost incin with taunt

[shadow wind]

Groudon struggles because the dog is so fat

Heat crash is 40 BP

Why I have resorted to weather ball Raging bolt

[mint void]

force it into WG and encore

[real prairie]

yeah running rain without ground cover is my problem into steel types. I have Sacred Sword Chien-Pao but its a 2 hit.

[real prairie]

yeah thats what i have been doing

but then i risk Hydropump misses, i need another mon to kill it tbh

[mint void]

best case u have sth that hit dragon and steel

[shadow wind]

At least water is neutral and weather boosted

[real prairie]

I suppose

Id like to be able to OHKO it with a fake out + Waterspout but its not quite enough

I tell you what though, ill buy a booster pack to whoever guesses my worst matchup on the 1st try 🤣

[mint void]

yo mama

[real prairie]

nah Snorlax is calm

[shadow wind]

Miraidon

[mint void]

would be to obvious

[shadow wind]

You would think so

[mint void]

well we were thinking restricted only ngl

[real prairie]

fair lol

think my worst restricted mon is other Kyogre lol

[shadow wind]

PASRS mentioned

I really should be using it

Would probably help me diagnose some issues

[shadow wind]

Also how have you seen 6 Araquanids?

I’ve seen like 3 ever and they never came

[real prairie]

6/100 games tbf lol

[shadow wind]

Nah

I’ve played over 1700 games on one account

[real prairie]

and because its BO3 that's 3 matches

[shadow wind]

Like 5 Araquanids total

[shadow wind]

Maybe if you let it go to game 3

[mint void]

I see a lot tbh

for it being aranquid...

always forget they are wideguard

[shadow wind]

I feel like I haven’t seen it

Maybe once or twice on like a Lunala team

[real prairie]

yeah, think they were on Lunala teams

With my other team where i swapped Incin for Lando the matchups are v.different

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 889: Zamazenta-Crowned

Types

Fighting/Steel

Abilities

Dauntless Shield

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

92/120/140/80/140/128

Total

700

Base Species

Zamazenta

Sableye version 4.28.1

Pokémon No. 645: Landorus

Types

Ground/Flying

Abilities

Sand Force, Sheer Force (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

89/125/90/115/80/101

Total

600

Other Formes

Landorus-Therian

Sableye version 4.28.1

[real prairie]

why is the damn dog faster than the Genie

[solid frigate]

lol

[mint void]

thing stuck in lamp vs agile animal

[real prairie]

I see no lamp and the animal is wearing a tank

[mint void]

I see u a bitch

[real prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/what-are-you-doing-not-gif-14585998

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 1007: Koraidon

Types

Fighting/Dragon

Abilities

Orichalcum Pulse

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/135/115/85/100/135

Total

670

Sableye version 4.28.1

Pokémon No. 547: Whimsicott

Types

Grass/Fairy

Abilities

Prankster, Infiltrator, Chlorophyll (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

60/67/85/77/75/116

Total

480

Sableye version 4.28.1

[real prairie]

are Koraidon usually max speed?

[mint void]

i think they are. At least low ladder for sure

I run max speed Miraidon cause everyone else runs max speed and I dont want to underspeed

same issue runs in koraidon I assume

[real prairie]

bummer, they outspeed my Whimsicott then.

Was thinking leading Whims + Kyogre would force either a tera or a switch out

[mint void]

i think they outspeed whims no matter what no?

@real prairie

[real prairie]

not if they aren't speed invested lol

[mint void]

from pinned messages u can see common speed tier

[real prairie]

ooooo

nice

[left bobcat]

I’m John cena you can’t see me

[vernal shadow]

So I've managed to fill out that gardevoir team so far. I feel my biggest issue rn is gonna be rillaboom I think. I'd like people's thoughts. Not aiming for meta by a long shot. Just want enough to hit masterball

Gardevoir can wall a fully boosted miraidon and ohko it with psybeam. Can take up to 4 hits from all its moves from a smogon choice scarf set

[torn parrot]

wall...?

252+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Gardevoir in Electric Terrain: 147-174 (102.7 - 121.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[vernal shadow]

That's a lie yes. I just realised that if I set the calculator to doubles, it kinda flips on its head. Back to square one

[torn parrot]

i dont think doubles or singles matters

for this

but yeah miraidon is one of thsoe unwallable pokemon in terrain

[vernal shadow]

Idk what the calculator just did then. I did also change it from level 100 to 50

I could swap in indeedee to remove the terrain I guess 🤷

[torn parrot]

that'll do it

[vernal shadow]

Anyways. As a whole am I doing ok? As I said. Not aiming to be the best. Just gonna aim for masterball

[torn parrot]

av fairy type next to indeede is a pretty cool answer

[vernal shadow]

Someone has suggested tornadus instead of Whimseycott which might be a good idea. Ofc trick room will cripple prankster won't it ?

Not trick room

Psychic terrain

My mind is wondering a bit sorry

[torn parrot]

i reccomend putting expanding force on gardevoir

[vernal shadow]

Instead of psyshock ?

[torn parrot]

yea

[vernal shadow]

I've got focus blast to at least scare off some steel types

Does the team work ?

[torn parrot]

it doesnt look bad

[vernal shadow]

I've never built a team from scratch before

[torn parrot]

for your first time i think you did a good job

[vernal shadow]

Awesome Ty. I'll get to testing and then putting it together in sv. If I don't finish before end of season, I've got more mons to use in future

[real prairie]

Nicknaming my pokemon for B'ham, there should be nothing wrong with the name "Crybaby" should there?

[torn parrot]

i reccomend you dont put reflect on zamazenta however

go a steel move

like heavy slam or behemoth

also your earthquake on ursaluna is going to be doing no damage

bloodmoon isnt a physical attacker

should go earth power instead

if your tryna take advnatage of telepathy i think you should either use a different pokemon for that or give up on telepathy strats

im just pointing out the logical stuff that doesnt work

[vernal shadow]

I keep making that mistake. Ty

[gentle crag]

seamagician703 has given 1 Gen Rep to mayahoppins

[torn parrot]

no worries ^^

[chrome knot]

mayamaya

[vernal shadow]

I kinda put telepathy bc it is a bit more useful than the others in doubles. Trace sadly doesn't go off what's opposite to my knowledge so it's a bit all over the shop

Wish they'd replace synchronise. With every type being immune to their own status effects now, it's largely useless

[real prairie]

Trace copies what it deems as the "Stronger" ability

not sure what defines that

but its an interesting Q

[vernal shadow]

It was largely to help with physical bulk but I mean, if the mon doesn't have it, they don't have it. Which would u recommend? I feel I've seen slam used more and para is useful

[torn parrot]

heya heya

[vernal shadow]

Interesting. I read it as random last time I looked.

[chrome knot]

haya haya :3

[real prairie]

Researching pokemon stuff is clear as mud my friend

[torn parrot]

well that makes literally no sense what

literally gotta get a list up

what if its a rillaboom and an indeedee

[vernal shadow]

True. Learning EQ is a physical move was mind blowing for me after having been playing for like 15 years 😂

I never actually bothered to check. Just assumed it was special

[real prairie]

wait til you try to research the pledge moves 🤣

[vernal shadow]

I did look at it before but honestly I don't want to know.

Anyways. Defence or offensive terra on gardevoir ? And terra recommendations on indeedee ?

[plain drum]

Trace activates like the first second it can, if it finds an adjacent opponent that it can copy, it goes off

[real prairie]

Depends on Indeedee item, if you are running Googles go fairy, if you are running Rocky go Grass/Water

[torn parrot]

you can probably get away with offense on gardevoir since your av

[vernal shadow]

I always assumed it'd work off the one opposite in doubles if it can but I saw someone say different the other day and that it was random

[torn parrot]

well... sorta

[vernal shadow]

I was thinking fairy or fire/steel

[torn parrot]

wonderr if gardevoir can tank an astral

i was coping

[vernal shadow]

😂

I hate cylarex

[real prairie]

Yes

wait no

stupid thing keeps resetting back to lv100

[torn parrot]

actually curiosu what tera i owuld put on an av gardevoir

honestly

you might bennifit the most from making it a big bulkier

possibly...

i actually dont know

[vernal shadow]

Here's where I'm at rn. Whimseycott or tornadus ?

I do have two taunts

[torn parrot]

i would think about the moves that its weak to in this format and how well it does living them with a nuetral tera

[plain drum]

I've heard both but the majority here doesn't call it random

[vernal shadow]

Fair

[real prairie]

this is the minimum ev spread to survive a Astral

252 SpA Calyrex-Shadow Astral Barrage vs. 156 HP / 212 SpD Gardevoir: 134-162 (82.2 - 99.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[torn parrot]

yeesh

dunno if worth

[vernal shadow]

That's...not ideal

[torn parrot]

that aint even specs

[plain drum]

[torn parrot]

or lorb

[vernal shadow]

I think I'd rather make something else eat it tbh 😅

[real prairie]

or +SpAtk nature

[vernal shadow]

Could indeedee tank it ? I'm also running both tr and tw so I can play around averagely faster or slower teams I think

[torn parrot]

i think normal or fairy tera is fine

[real prairie]

Indeedee is immune my friend

[vernal shadow]

My brain is fried from work and uni application stuffs. Leave me be 😂

[craggy dagger]

i mean
under the right circumstances yes

[real prairie]

Tera normal Gargevoir lol

[craggy dagger]

uh
but why telepathy?

i don’t see any spread move that damages your allies

[vernal shadow]

Forgot to swap it to trace

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 282: Gardevoir

Types

Psychic/Fairy

Abilities

Synchronize, Trace, Telepathy (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

68/65/65/125/115/80

Total

518

Other Formes

Gardevoir-Mega

Sableye version 4.28.1

[craggy dagger]

though keep in mind that the one thing trace can’t trace is as one iirc

[tiny karma]

Ability: Trace

On switch-in, this Pokemon copies a random opposing Pokemon's Ability. Abilities that cannot be copied are As One, Battle Bond, Comatose, Commander, Disguise, Embody Aspect, Flower Gift, Forecast, Hunger Switch, Ice Face, Illusion, Imposter, Multitype, Neutralizing Gas, Poison Puppeteer, Power Construct, Power of Alchemy, Protosynthesis, Quark Drive, Receiver, RKS System, Schooling, Shields Down, Stance Change, Teraform Zero, Tera Shell, Tera Shift, Trace, Zen Mode, and Zero to Hero. If no opposing Pokemon has an Ability that can be copied, this Ability will activate as soon as one does.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[craggy dagger]

yup

[vernal shadow]

I had EQ on a mon earlier. Also synchro is kinda bad imo

[real prairie]

Maybe Gardevoir + Telepathy in a EQ groudon team?

[craggy dagger]

it’s good for baiting status though

but like
trace is better yeah

[craggy dagger]

what purpose does garde solve-

[real prairie]

Run it with Ttar and Garchomp w/ bright powder sand veil

[real prairie]

IDK lool

im not the one wanting to use Gardevoir

[craggy dagger]

also why not run scarf garde?
feel like that would give you more options against shadow rider n stuff

[real prairie]

just trying to facilitate it

[craggy dagger]

sooo
we’re thinking of a garde zama team hm

[vernal shadow]

It's not a particularly good mon. I'm trying to shine this beautiful blue turd and make it work

[craggy dagger]

expanding force could do you some good on garde (if it even gets that)
replace it for focus blast or smth i guess?

you could also do mystical fire scarf

to get the non-cloak calyrex

[vernal shadow]

FFS. It undid some of my changes when I screenshotted it. 1 sec

[plain drum]

It does get Expanding Force

[craggy dagger]

cuz with bulk i’m sure that garde can tank a -1 astral

[vernal shadow]

Here

It can tank most of miraidons commonly used moves and with indeedee used to replace electric terrain, it can survive one electro drift

[craggy dagger]

also a max special bulk indeedee issssss
interesting to say the least

[vernal shadow]

If I used the calculator correctly

[craggy dagger]

but consider mystical fire

[tiny karma]

Move: Mystical Fire

Has a 100% chance to lower the target's Special Attack by 1 stage.

Type

Fire

Category

Special

Power

75

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[vernal shadow]

I'm open to all changes. It is my first team I've build myself

[craggy dagger]

cuz if you’re scarfed then you can outspeed caly shadow as well s miraidon to lower their special attack

[vernal shadow]

Just aiming to hit masterball is all. That is my aim and end goal here

[torn parrot]

yeah i also like scarf a bit more ngl

[craggy dagger]

from my memory-
indeedee runs max hp max defense positive nature with 4 into spdef since she’ll be redirecting almost everything

also on the off chance that you do trace hadron engine-
hadron engine gardevoir that’s scarfed would hit really hard

[vernal shadow]

I'm aiming for tailwind support for it's speed ?

[craggy dagger]

i’m gonna pin this on my idea board-
i like the sound of it lol

[solid frigate]

Nova is cooking

Again

[vernal shadow]

I need to double check hadron engine. Is it the same but electric terrain from koroidon ?

[craggy dagger]

yeah but like
in the off chance that you don’t get to set up tailwind because you can’t bring the tailwind support

[vernal shadow]

Fair

[craggy dagger]

yes
boosts special attack by 1.3 (i think?) in electric terrain

[solid frigate]

yep

[craggy dagger]

but if you do that then you prolly wanna take off expanding force

lot of ways to go bout this

[vernal shadow]

But that strat entirely hinges on tracing miraidons hadron engine and surviving the turn

[solid frigate]

Assault Vest Gardevoir make me questioning Reality

[vernal shadow]

Maybe something with u turn or something would be a good idea

[vernal shadow]

I just struggled with scarf on it before

[solid frigate]

i mean there is Hatterene

[spiral ridge]

Someone used this but garchomp on me
It did pretty good damage just their chomp was too frail
Groudon probably would do well

[vernal shadow]

If your on about replacing gardevoir, that defeats what I'm trying to attempt here. It's a gardevoir team entirely

If not then I'm lost. Hatterene is kinda new to me

[solid frigate]

its basically Slower Gardevoir

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1209607711352819802/1328073659666927767/unnamed_3.webp

[craggy dagger]

ehhh
no i’m not saying you wanna rely on that
scarf garde is already really good
but if you do manage to get that off then you’ll do a bunch while being fast

[vernal shadow]

So must changes @craggy dagger

Stuff you'd 100% insist on

I might try it as is tho and see how it goes

[craggy dagger]

here’s what i’m thinking

https://pokepast.es/0d40d2f7025ea825

[real prairie]

Don't think it would do great, but my thinking: https://pokepast.es/deb19b9f639a9c57

[craggy dagger]

EVs ig you could just go max max everything

[craggy dagger]

i think coverage instead of trick room might be good

on garde

[vernal shadow]

Ok. I've seen a lot run focus blast. Why mystical fire over it? That for the spA drop right while still keeping steel coverage and gaining cover on grass too ?

[real prairie]

maybe, was just looking as a way it could be useful for Groudon, sash TR + redirection is hard to prevent

[craggy dagger]

mainly the special attack drop
also focus blast is really unreliable because of how bad its accuracy is

[vernal shadow]

That's fair. Didn't check it's accuracy tbh. Idk why

[craggy dagger]

but you have cresselia for just tank and trick room with redirect or just tank room

[real prairie]

ive seen some use of Hypnosis Gardevior with Sabeleye Gravity, but that was reg H

[craggy dagger]

sing gravity prankster altaria?

that was a thing at worlds i think
paired with groudon

[vernal shadow]

Does scarf really help gardevoir enough with it's speed tier tho ? I'm still pretty sure that without support, it'll be outspeed by miraidon and a bunch of others. That's kinda why I opted for the AV to just make it as specially bulky as I could without investment. It can also work a bit better under tr like this too if it needs it

[real prairie]

Altaria gets Prankster?

[solid frigate]

yeah its real

[craggy dagger]

mnope

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 334: Altaria

Types

Dragon/Flying

Abilities

Natural Cure, Cloud Nine (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

75/70/90/70/105/80

Total

490

Other Formes

Altaria-Mega

Sableye version 4.28.1

[craggy dagger]

scarf does help-

[real prairie]

guess not anymore

[craggy dagger]

oh-
i meant prankster skill swap onto altaria

sorry

[real prairie]

🤣

fair

that sounds like Wolfey OHKO strats, will work 2/10 times lol

[solid frigate]

this team is like

fuck consistency

here's a OHKO Button

[craggy dagger]

uhhhhh
nevermind it doesn’t outspeed shadow

[gentle crag]

Result: 217.500000

[solid frigate]

F

[craggy dagger]

yeah-

[real prairie]

F

[craggy dagger]

nevermind then

[real prairie]

Really, in this format it has to be sash glass cannon Gardy no?

[craggy dagger]

then run sash on garde and cloak on whimsy?

[craggy dagger]

yeahhhhhhh

[solid frigate]

who has the idea to make CSR 150 Speed-

I get it how Regieleki is 200 speed but CSR is 150 Speed is just gamefreak developers try to give a fuck you button after we complain about dexit

[real prairie]

i have a whimmsy spread that survives a Bleakwind if you want it 😁

[craggy dagger]

i mean
the ghost horse is fast

[craggy dagger]

👀

[real prairie]

knock off should knock calyrex off the horse 🤣

[craggy dagger]

OMG YES

[real prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-crash-tree-gif-5332107

[craggy dagger]

they just split into two different mons-

or would it be like calyrex just fell off and gets back on the horse

[solid frigate]

lmao

[real prairie]

Takes a turn to get back on, it has the horses stats that turn

or does a Slaking and does nothing for a turn

[solid frigate]

isn't Mounted forms uses Calyrex's Stats

[real prairie]

no idea, but the horses are stupid

@solid frigate you submitted your team?

[solid frigate]

i'm gonna submit it tmr

cuz i have to change Ogerpon's EVs

[real prairie]

How longs the trip to B'ham for you?

im gonna stay with family in the area so thankfully just under an hour drive for me

[vernal shadow]

@torn parrot I won one...after loosing once https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2280373030

@craggy dagger I've saved your version of the team. Just need to pick EVs for it

[craggy dagger]

i feel like that last turn
psyshock would prolly have been better cuz of stab

[torn parrot]

nice job!

[real prairie]

would recommend tera dark Whimms, stops encore/taunt from other prankster mons

but otherwise, GG

[craggy dagger]

it’s tera ghost cuz it’s sashed atm

[vernal shadow]

I'm finding that I'm being outspeed in weird ways and maybe sash on gardevoir may feel better

[craggy dagger]

prolly

[real prairie]

he Tera fire'd it

[craggy dagger]

oh

[vernal shadow]

Mine is fire. Yes

[craggy dagger]

AlSo
ignore that tera electric indeedee lmfao

[real prairie]

also brave to ignore the fakeout there with no cloak

[vernal shadow]

Imma swap zamazentas terra to dragon I think too. Way better since with grass it was keeping the fire weakness

[craggy dagger]

fair enough
just be careful of fairy

[vernal shadow]

Tried again. This was really fun
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2280379633

I'm enjoying this a lot tbf. Not sure how it'll end up working out in game tho

[vernal shadow]

@craggy dagger scarf gardevoir is definitely better. It with indeedee are monsters with expanding force. My god

That was a very good suggestion

I have a question. How does showdown compare in skill level ? I'd assume it's a lot lower since it requires less investment

[left bobcat]

This is one unlucky guy

So many missed icicle crashes

[real prairie]

My dad just raised a good point, do we think they move worlds because of the LA situation?

Regardless of the fire situation, people won't have their homes back for years, hotels will be rammed

[vernal shadow]

Ikr

[atomic portal]

@torn parrot cloverbells just posted a vid on reg g sneaslord

[real prairie]

Expect to see a few more now https://youtu.be/orALSLlkVaE?si=wgdkwSLPA8tjEJ4r

[shadow wind]

I mean I run rockpon

So bring em all here

[torn parrot]

it's all the same
pokemon skill isnt grinding materials in game

[dense latch]

this ^

grinding for pokemon in game doesn't exactly take skill just patience

[vernal shadow]

True but there's more chance of a higher population in showdown due to it all being grind free no ? Ive played a fair bit of showdown but have never actually made a team

[torn parrot]

well you mentioned skill i was answering on that

but im not sure about how the two compare in terms of the quanitity of players
id probably guess the majority of players are in game because that's just where many people start off, by playing through the story of the games. Thats also where all the flashy animations are. the existence of rental teams allows people to not have to make a team for themselves. however I'd say showdown all has a very respectable amount of players, just not as many

[vernal shadow]

I kinda took skill level hand in hand as a higher population would mean bigger skill gap. I did however forget about rental teams

[atomic portal]

idk about showdown having more ppl than cart - the non english communities for showdown is teeny tiny

[torn parrot]

well theres a difference between amount of players and how good the players get and in that case i really dont think theres a difference tbh
i was saying that in game most likely has the most amount of players due to it being the starting point of all the casuals. it would make sense for more hardcore competitive players to crowd around showdown as it makes teambuilding extremely easy for them

most people who play pokemon are just playing the games

but when people start to get into the competitive format associated with the games that's probably when they often discover the existence of showdown

so youll have a bigger quantity of new players starting out competitive in game

[torn parrot]

the numbers from what iv seen get pretty higyh in game but i dont know if theyre accurate or how they work

and showdown never shares how players have laddered in a format total

[craggy dagger]

eternatus yesssss

[torn parrot]

so its imposisble to tell really but id say a safe guess is in game has more people

[craggy dagger]

perks of playing random battles

[real prairie]

Doesn't even require that most of the time when blissey raids drop

[atomic portal]

ye but much easy to spam games too which could inflate the number

[craggy dagger]

well
showdown is more of a place where you can experiment without wasting resources so i feel like lots of people would be on showdown more than cart

[real prairie]

Absolutely

I have 1000s of games on showdown, probably 50ish on ladder with my team im taking to Bham

[torn parrot]

well i dont mean games played just players in total

[real prairie]

There will always be more players on cart

[torn parrot]

including players that could have just played 2 games and quit

[chrome knot]

@craggy dagger

good mornie :3

[real prairie]

Just because of the sheer volume of casuals

[torn parrot]

yea

[craggy dagger]

if we’re talking about skill level then i’d argue that cart prolly has more “skilled” players in that there are people who know what they’re doing

[real prairie]

Jumping into low ladder ranked games with no EVs or IVs playing their playthrough teams

[craggy dagger]

good mornie emma

[chrome knot]

haaiii ^-*

[real prairie]

Pure numbers, sure. % of skilled players to % of players, absolutely not

[torn parrot]

i dont really think that correlates

[real prairie]

People have to be knowledgeable enough to know about showdown in the first place which probably makes them sub 5% of the pokemon community

Maybe even 1%

[craggy dagger]

well i was thinking like
people on cart know what theyre doing compared to showdown players

idk i’ve fried. my brain in philosophy class

i’m just spouting nonsense ignore me :3

[atomic portal]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[chrome knot]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-fran-sleep-sleepy-tired-gif-8633431630979404250

[torn parrot]

yeah but i dont think theres any reason they would know what theyre doing more

[chrome knot]

-8ball will kat land all her draco meteors in vancouver

[gentle crag]

will kat land all her draco meteors in vancouver
:8ball: It is certain

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/5f5b66f55c039da9 thoughts?

-8ball is stellar Zac the play

[gentle crag]

is stellar Zac the play
:8ball: Better not tell you now

[molten oasis]

[dense latch]

how's the csr dozo mu been

looks nightmarish at first glance

[molten oasis]

Do damage

And I don’t fight it that much so idk tbh

And gonna be honest I don’t wanna prep for dozo

-8ball is stellar zacian the play

[gentle crag]

is stellar zacian the play
:8ball: Concentrate and ask again

[molten oasis]

I stg

-8ball is stellar zacian the play

[gentle crag]

is stellar zacian the play
:8ball: Outlook good

[craggy dagger]

it looks fine

[bold geode]

Me when the 8 ball disagrees

[craggy dagger]

i smell a stimky

[bold geode]

Nuh Uh

[molten oasis]

ok

[torn parrot]

the problem with kyrem is everywhere it goes ninetales has to go

):

and blizzard is just glacial with extra steps

[charred saddle]

oh shit i just lost one of my shiny legendaries suppliers

[molten oasis]

True

Unfortunately just not a good enough Mon

[spiral ridge]

Yeah
Was fun to use for a bit though

Emma absolutely laughed at me as I tried it
Which fair enough

[vernal shadow]

That makes sense.

[molten oasis]

Alright acro moon immediately feels better

Being able to just do damage is very nice

[torn parrot]

woooo

[molten oasis]

Idt flying dark is walled by anything super common except zama which is neat

[craggy dagger]

[left bobcat]

😫🧃

[molten oasis]

Dude the one time I go “you’re gonna Tera miraidon” he doesn’t

[molten oasis]

I HIT 1400

https://tenor.com/view/freedom-gif-14887144685173519659

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2280496701-qdinrf988jlbm04e23adgc6jr7wcgn7pw

Moon is working so well with acrobatics, feels good

[spiral ridge]

Nice

Good shit :)

[left bobcat]

Well deserved

The world is healing

(No it’s not)

[torn parrot]

LETS GOOOO PROGRESSSS

CHANGES HELP

[dense latch]

congrats!!

[molten oasis]

It’s time to pivot into bo3

I wanted to hit 1600 originally but I think top 500 or just like 1400-1500 in bo3 is better

[torn parrot]

good luck!

[shadow wind]

Bo3 is harder I would say

At least it’s more boring

I managed to go 17-4 on it but man it takes ages

[torn parrot]

it really does, i managed to go 21-5 but then i just lost interest cus it took too long

that ladder is insanely good practice tho

[calm gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/hammer-gif-23464742

[shadow wind]

It really is

[bold geode]

Waddup bitch

[shadow wind]

Too bad it takes 10 frickin years to do anything

[calm gulch]

nm slut

[bold geode]

Nice to hear whore

[foggy lodge]

It takes way more time

But meh if you play daily you end up getting to the goals

I got top 300 on bo3 just playing every once in a while

Fell off because i had a bad lose streak

[molten oasis]

I wanna go to NAIC

So I need to practice

Bo3

[shadow wind]

Oh nice

Yeah Bo3 ladder is perfect for it then

Allows you to further your mid set adaption skills

[foggy lodge]

I would practice in locals before tbh

[molten oasis]

Maxi

[foggy lodge]

But if you don't have any yeh bo3 ladder is good enough

[molten oasis]

I live in a bad place for locals

[shadow wind]

Or just go 2-0 and make it Bo1 but twice as long

[foggy lodge]

Makes sense

[mint void]

Big

[molten oasis]

In bo3 I can see their sets

Bo1 I got cheesed cuz of weird sets multiple times

[shadow wind]

Bo1 with really nice people

I’m realizing how little people actually accept OTS

[dense latch]

i get one maybe every five games and that's generous

[shadow wind]

People like keeping their secrets I guess

[next stump]

I think with global challenges being bigger this year, people prefer to mimic that format as closely as possible

I know when I play bo1 I avoid sharing sheets because of that, not really cause I care about my team getting leaked

[stray hornet]

How bulky should my ogerpon-W for a bulky ogerpon set

[bold geode]

I like BO3 a little more lol

[still ridge]

always feels bad losing because of a snarl miss -.-

[bold geode]

I like the Tofu approach of "bitch you want OTS, go play BO3"

[shadow wind]

Going to feel that way, but blaming luck is not getting you anywhere

[shadow wind]

I like both but I play a lot more Bo1

[shadow wind]

Dang I stopped reading yknow my bad

It does, I take back what I said

Used to people fully blaming it

[bold geode]

You can read?

[shadow wind]

Shockingly

[bold geode]

I can't

[shadow wind]

Not on Wednesdays though

[molten oasis]

Y’all read what happens? I just click moves press skip and deal with the consequences later

https://tenor.com/view/mr-fantastic-reed-richards-fantastic-four-marvel-marvel-rivals-gif-12425045216179934485

[bold geode]

Bitch I don't read at all

[still ridge]

I wish I knew how the ranking system worked- I was 1300 mmr earlier, now after having all pokemon on my team with a positive winrate, I've dropped down to 1100

[shadow wind]

Showdown?

[still ridge]

yeh

[shadow wind]

You win you gain elo

You lose you lose elo

How your elo compares to your opponents determine show much you gain or lose

[still ridge]

Yes but this is the only team I've used today, how do I go down 200 points when I'm positive?

[shadow wind]

So you’re saying you’ve only won games today and you’ve gone down elo?

[still ridge]

no I'm saying I've won slightly more than half and I'm down 200

[shadow wind]

Well you don’t gain a static amount

You could win a game then lose one and be down 10 elo

[still ridge]

maybe lose streaks affect it, idk

[shadow wind]

I don’t believe they do

[dense latch]

you've probably lost to people with much lower elos

the bigger the difference in elo the more change after a battle

[next stump]

that’s really crazy… I don’t think I’ve ever seen that

[molten oasis]

I just lost to a oranguru ttar team with no legendaries at all lol

[bold geode]

LMFAO

I remember almost eating shit once to a Tera Fighting Dragapult

[vocal anvil]

annyone help me in competitive?

[plain drum]

What do you need?

[real prairie]

Based on my recent performances... No 🤣

[still ridge]

relatable 🤣

[next stump]

i brought kyogre to a small local last night

best of 1 and only 3 rounds

missed 6 origin pulse connections out of 12 possible ones

LOL

[still ridge]

oof

[real prairie]

I ended up submitting my 1.0 team because it had the highest win rate over my 6 teams

Now not playing again til the tournament on Saturday, refuse to freak myself out

So I'm playing mw2 (2019) 🤣

Thankfully I'm still good @ that lol (ignore the player list disappear these private lobbies do it every game annoyingly)

[next stump]

honestly for the best, sometimes stressing last minute is just not worth it

[real prairie]

I did do some testing today, just for arguments sake where I dropped Ludicolo for Landorus... 44% win rate over 60 bo3 games 🤣

It was at that point I just said "fuck it" and submitted my original team

[next stump]

🙏 believe in ludi

[real prairie]

For anyone interested, the team you'll see make day 2 of Birmingham 👀🤣 https://pokepast.es/c61ce67e8f9b5a2a

The IVs on that aren't the same as submitted, but cba to grab those and update the paste on PASRS

[torn parrot]

I think Ho oh is actually really cool and underrated as a balance option

Sacred fire carries the hell out of it

It’s typing is super good

And flutter resists can be really hard to come by for some reason

You can even use it as a tailwinder

it’s like a supportive attacker kinda like zamazenta

It also beats zamazenta

[foggy lodge]

ngl entei does half of those things lol

[still ridge]

I've discovered my team struggles with tera ghost zama xD

[torn parrot]

Ho-oh is just entei on steroids

[atomic mural]

ok but entei is immune to intimidate and fake out without and item or tera type

i think that alone makes it better

and yiou arent wasting a restricted

[torn parrot]

Okay inner focus is a very cool thing

I think Ho-oh offers enough unique bennifits and upgrades to be considered tho even tho it loses inner focus
Ima try ho-oh I think

[foggy lodge]

Tell me a benefit that isn't tailwind

[atomic mural]

regenerator

[torn parrot]

Bulkier

[foggy lodge]

Fair

[torn parrot]

Hits harder

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 250: Ho-Oh

Types

Fire/Flying

Abilities

Pressure, Regenerator (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

106/130/90/110/154/90

Total

680

Sableye version 4.28.1

[atomic mural]

ok but hooh probably wants clear amulet

[next stump]

Ho-Oh was so much better when raging bolt didn’t exist as a pokemon

resists both your STABs and threatens what I’d assume to be an OHKO onto you

but lowkey maybe something like tera ground ho-oh could do some work, as long as you have a way around the water weakness like torkoal or maybe storm drain

[molten oasis]

Why we cookin ho-oh

[molten oasis]

Entei isn’t taking your restricted spot

[chrome knot]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2280653796-7i6rkr8v34rs7ovh7tze1kl0d86k9oopw

[molten oasis]

And the other points

[still ridge]

I wonder if the format would be more balanced if urshifu was restricted

[chrome knot]

format would suck

[molten oasis]

It’s fine to treat your restricted like just another mon but you’re still picking ho-oh over a caly or miraidon

Unless you’re dedicated asf I don’t see it working too well

[atomic mural]

cant wait for reg i already (groudon miraidon gonna go crazy)

[molten oasis]

Incin supremacy

[molten oasis]

CIR Miraidon

Just makes so much more sense

[dense latch]

boltbeam my beloved

[atomic mural]

yeah bolt beams pretty cool

[chrome knot]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2280656311-royaoqkawbiwo2a8rpdebbpan373qeupw

ohmeingot lunala is sooo cool :3

[molten oasis]

+HHP from CIR gives you fantastic coverage

Very good offensive pressure

[dense latch]

also tailroom stuff is interesting too

many cir and mirai supporting pieces overlap

like farig iron hands and ursh

[molten oasis]

Yep

[chrome knot]

@craggy dagger would you still love me if I clicked expanding force again,,,,

[atomic mural]

https://pokepast.es/ccc71144c104e36e i be running this day 1

💪

something like it

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/buzz-lightyear-gif-21327280

[atomic mural]

im gonna say i did it first

[molten oasis]

Uh huh

[spiral ridge]

you got more people you should be asking that

[chrome knot]

@spiral ridge would you still love me if I clicked expanding force

[spiral ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/ryo-ryo-yamada-bocchi-bocchi-the-rock-bocchi-the-rock-gif-gif-27152609

[next stump]

https://pokepast.es/a353710ccb9a7a74

global challenge prep time

[spiral ridge]

ill think about it

ooo

[molten oasis]

Wait when is the first GC?

[chrome knot]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2280666569-08ub3n9q2vuaifv91u73n5d7b4parw3pw

I LOVE LUNALA LMFAOOO

[spiral ridge]

Lunala is awesome :)

[chrome knot]

KAT SAID WE'D NEED SOME SORT OF INTERVENTION LMFAO IM COOKED @spiral ridge

[spiral ridge]

Yup

[spiral ridge]

Did you mean to cancel your own encore 😭

[chrome knot]

i forgot about it ngl

[spiral ridge]

Already going brainless from psyspam. A tragedy

[chrome knot]

:(((((

[spiral ridge]

It’s okay we’ll get you help

[next stump]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2280671851-lzeow998izfeobvu1h0pml335d02pwlpw

holy get shit on

[dense latch]

so satisfying to see

[chrome knot]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2280674705-pxxcabzx4sj5z5rsplojvn4phl9wb71pw

LATER DOZO CSR WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[still ridge]

I just want to point out he used protect in front of urshi too xD

[chrome knot]

expected sucker punch

bc if he astral barrage + anything on dpult he takes double ko

so he played for me being on the same line of thinking, in which I was 2 turns ahead already lolz

[still ridge]

This one was from a little earlier but always satisfying when ceruledge carries xD

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025reggbo3-2280631728

[spiral ridge]

Lol nice

[chrome knot]

im the team assholes hate

im like the asshole asshole ?

[spiral ridge]

Anti annoying meta?

[chrome knot]

yeah

progesterone girliepop is the hero we all needed

[spiral ridge]

That’s what the username meant I see

[chrome knot]

what tf else would it mean

@craggy dagger do i have permission to kill @spiral ridge

[spiral ridge]

:(

[spiral ridge]

I forgot your medicines name

[chrome knot]

@balmy glen would u still like me if i clicked expanding force,,,,

[balmy glen]

Sure

I’ll click wide guard so idm

[chrome knot]

no terrain,,,,

[bold geode]

Not again.....

[chrome knot]

lunala gaming

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 560: Scrafty

Types

Dark/Fighting

Abilities

Shed Skin, Moxie, Intimidate (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

65/90/115/45/115/58

Total

488

Weight (Low Kick BP)

30kg (60 BP)

Height

1.1m

Introduced

Generation 5

Pre-evolution

Scraggy

Egg groups

Field, Dragon

Gender Ratio

M: 50%, F: 50%

Color

Red

Sableye version 4.28.1

[shadow wind]

Greatest feeling ever is when you're laddering at high elo and find another person at high elo

[torn parrot]

Actual euphoria

When the elo gain and loss is actually fair

[shadow wind]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2280734974-b0ujgpvf4jcz6am27cei3u9wlrmktsopw

Huzzah, the Calyrex Ice has finally been toppled in a single hit

[twin kindle]

Luna

[torn parrot]

it’s just such a surreal thing to see

[shadow wind]

Non stab OHKO'ing CIR

It's like seeing a miracle be performed

[twin kindle]

Me when I get high elo and then the program that scientifically crafts my worst matchups starts cooking

[shadow wind]

Me when 1600 hits and the ladder becomes a barn

[twin kindle]

Ayyy great work ^^

Up top!

Alright sleep times explodes

[shadow wind]

Still not where I need to be but it is nice to regain some elo with a new team

[strange fjord]

been seeing some weather ball raging bolts around. where did they come from? my rhydon does not appreciate this lmao

[shadow wind]

My cookage !!!!!!

Nah I think it's from a VR tour

[strange fjord]

yeah i had a match where i was "yeah my rhydon walls this raging bolt hard" to "ouch, weather ball did half my health"

[shadow wind]

Yeah

Weather ball is awesome

It actually just hits harder than tbolt in the sun

[strange fjord]

oh yeah cause stab boost vs sun boost is the same but weather ball gets 10 more BP

[shadow wind]

Mhm

[strange fjord]

then you also get the proto boost to kill

[shadow wind]

I even run tera fire

[strange fjord]

bro is cooking

[shadow wind]

Still testing out the tera fire

I like it for the Miraidon MU but eh

252+ SpA Protosynthesis Tera Electric Raging Bolt Thunderclap vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Tera Fairy Miraidon in Electric Terrain: 136-162 (77.7 - 92.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Tera electric also does one shamillion

[strange fjord]

what item are you running on it?

[shadow wind]

AV

[strange fjord]

fair

[shadow wind]

Couldn't afford weather ball otherwise

Get either stuck with no dragon or only prio electric

And also AV is awesome into Kyogre

Actually every single special restricted

[still ridge]

Ah, what a diverse meta (3 seperate people)

[shadow wind]

We love Miraidon

Honestly I like playing against Miraidons

I finally have a path into them

[still ridge]

miraidon's never the problem, it's usually the rest of their team xD

[torn parrot]

Only half is crazy…

Only half to 4x mon

[still ridge]

Finally a different team!

just kidding, it's the same thing

[torn parrot]

That is a little odd

[shadow wind]

Well that’s Bo3 is it not?

So the games are gonna be skewed

[still ridge]

yeah it is, but 4/5 of my last opponents had the same team

other than urshifu was tornadus on one of the teams

[shadow wind]

Not the same team then

One of them is the worlds team and the other isn’t

And since it won worlds it’s going to be common

I think I once played 4 or 6 different people all using the worlds team in a row

[torn parrot]

I love fighting the worlds team

Because I have a good matchup into it

[shadow wind]

Wouldn’t it be nice having a good MU…

Yknow thinking about it

Groudon has tons of good MUs

I’m just complaining

[strange fjord]

it was post tera fairy so it was neutral

[torn parrot]

OMG THE NEW OVERLEOD MOVIE IS OUT

[little plank]

Hoping for switch 2 announcement on 17th... ready to trade in ps5 and old switch for it lmao

[strange fjord]

switch 2 but its actually just the switch 1 with more games

[charred saddle]

https://pokepast.es/202900e3770edc72

insane team

[shadow wind]

What if you put acid spray on Salazzle

[charred saddle]

not my team, but wave and flamethrower is quite nice

acid spray is also interesting tho

[tiny karma]

Ability: Volt Absorb

This Pokemon is immune to Electric-type moves and restores 1/4 of its maximum HP, rounded down, when hit by an Electric-type move.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[charred saddle]

gotta love rng

[plain drum]

80% tbf

[charred saddle]

20%%

[shadow wind]

I love RNG

[charred saddle]

FU

[shadow wind]

Wait are you playing against a guy with the name “Toad” in it?

[charred saddle]

no

[shadow wind]

How very sad

Guy I know uses Trapinch

[charred saddle]

MISSED 2 ONLY HIT 1

[shadow wind]

Sounds like my kinda luck

[charred saddle]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2280772981-ntmtmknpg320fe1rcgvub9baspfc61lpw

i love this game

i love palkia

so trash good

[plain drum]

[charred saddle]

3 miss 1 hit

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2280774218-0useuiwj6u118j02lubjwzi6rmekl6xpw

enough gambling for today.

[torn parrot]

BA

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/bah-bah-koopa-troopa-gif-27195583

[chrome knot]

Lulu

[twin kindle]

Emmmkebearre

[charred saddle]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2280890139

never have i been more happy meeting a fucking gravnosis

POV palkia 100% acc

ps. tera missclick

[livid vine]

whats the optimal raging bolt set rn?

[vernal shadow]

Imagine trying to use expanding force as an aoe in psychic terrain and forgetting you traced levitate 😂

Terra types are weirdly easy to forget about in showdown. I keep treating mons as their base and not what they've become. For example leaving a water amoogus fight a miraidon

Can I see what items an opponent had on showdown after the match ? I'm curious why someone chose to use dazzling gleam against my almost full hp gardevoir and my almost dead zamazenta. If it were me, I'd have electro drifted the gardevoir since it would've gone down with electric terrain and then gone for zamazenta but a wins a win

Don't think it was choice scarf either. It just did it. Maybe to try win a turn early and overestimating the damage.

[real prairie]

AV Tera Electric, Draco Meteor, Volt Switch, Thunderclap, Thunderbolt

[real prairie]

Likely choice specs which is the norm for Miraidon

[vernal shadow]

I'm feeling like swapping gardevoir to another terra type. Think it's ghost rn. I feel like it would be much more useful as grass or electric this format. This would allow it to tank better against some other threats that I've found it gets very close on like miraidon and urshifu. Someone on Reddit suggested a new EV spread for it. It makes sense to me but I'm unsure

I've been winning quite consistently as is tbh. Don't think people expect av on gardevoir. I think zamazenta has been carrying tho tbh. Indeedee and gardevoir can nuke if set up well too which is nice. Ursaluna only really comes on occasions

[real prairie]

people dont expect Gardevoir, full stop lol

Would recommend either committing to tera Psychic for the boost to E-force if you are still running PsySpam

if not, Tera normal makes it immune to Ghost threats

and neutral to basically everything else

[vernal shadow]

True and it's been working well. They probably see gardevoir or ursaluna and amoogus and prep for the latter 😂

Expanding force is actually way better than I thought it'd be

[real prairie]

Yeah, PsySpam is a bit broken

really shocked there aren't more PsySpam Caly-Shadow

[trim hound]

Ghost spread move go brr

[real prairie]

but its techincally weaker than PsySpam damage wise

[livid vine]

is snarl any good? been using it and its won a few games

[vernal shadow]

Get wiped in dynamax adventures a lot by it lol

It does seem to just be a significantly weaker hyper voice tho

It has 55 power Vs hyper voices 90. Hyper voice can be normal or fairy

If used on a pixilate mon like mega gardevoir and Sylveon

[livid vine]

i mean snarl dropping spatk of things like caly-s, flutter mane, etc.
The only downside being i dont have great electric stab outside of thunderclap

[vernal shadow]

Could be useful I guess. If your main output is thunderclap. I can't see it hurting if u want to debuff a pair of special attackers. Idk much about it's move pool tbh. I'm also learning

[trim hound]

Thunderclap is yuge though

[livid vine]

The only catch is vs other Farig and Indeedee Thunderclap is useless

[vernal shadow]

What Pokémon we on about? Raging bolt right ?

[livid vine]

ye the big giraffe dino

[trim hound]

Bolt ye

[vernal shadow]

What moves I got on it rn ? Have u tried seeing what suggestions smogon has for it ?

[livid vine]

i have, the av set actually recommends electroweb/snarl

[vernal shadow]

It learns draco meteor which is awesome

[livid vine]

currently i have draco, clap, switch, and snarl

since im running hard tr electroweb isnt as useful

[vernal shadow]

Then the way I see it, if your team needs a bit of speed support, run web, if they need a stat drop off the opponent to survive, go with that

I can see it being useful in that regard. A stat drop could win u the match

[trim hound]

Snarl is good into Indeedee & Farig too

[vernal shadow]

What would you be considering in it's place ? If your not finding it useful I mean

[livid vine]

won me a 2v2, opponents Flutter Mane and Zamazenta vs my Farigiraf and Raging Bolt. One Snarl made Flutter miss the 2HKO with Moonblast

Thunderbolt would be the only thing, as solid stab under Psychic Terrain/vs Farigiraf

but im probably either clicking Snarl, Draco or Switch in those cases anyways

[trim hound]

Yeah Bolt is pretty worthless tbh

Thunderbolt rather

[livid vine]

ye snarl is just better in most cases

[vernal shadow]

You have thunderclap don't you tho ? That is your electric move

[livid vine]

thing is thunderclap is priority so its blocked by Psy terrain/Armor Tail

thats why i was considering getting tbolt

[trim hound]

And you aren't just spamming Snarl into Indeedee & Farig?

[livid vine]

I havent fought them yet so I should do that

[vernal shadow]

Do u have a terrain setter ? I tend to counter miraidon with indeedee to swap terrain

[livid vine]

i might drop ogerpon for rillaboom

[trim hound]

What is your restricted?

[livid vine]

caly0ice

[vernal shadow]

Sounds like a solid shout. Plus it gives you a priority move there

[livid vine]

caly-ice*

[trim hound]

Bro Caly-I wants Psychic Terrain for its own Expanding Force

[livid vine]

Caly I is the physical one?

[trim hound]

Right, either way it doesn't give a shit

[vernal shadow]

It is and the slow one right ?

[trim hound]

Yeah

[livid vine]

yeah

problem with rilla though is i cant use av or clear amulet. so id be going miracle seed nuke

which isnt bad, but loses alot of rilla's utility

[trim hound]

I'd just let them have Psy Terrain and just spam Glacial Lance

[livid vine]

yeah terrain isnt an issue

i think just spam glacial/snarl is my win con

[vernal shadow]

You may not need thunderclap against whatever sets up the terrain in the first place.

[vernal shadow]

Yup. I'd keep thunderclap tho I think just for when it is useful. Most use electric or grass terrain as far as I've seen so far

[trim hound]

Like 252+ Sp.A Raging Bolt into Farig & Indeedee should be chunking

[vernal shadow]

Not likely to be countered and that's why u have other options

U keeps auto correcting to I

[trim hound]

Because I am the best

Clearly

[livid vine]

yeah bolt is fine as he is (im so glad i spent a week looking for a legit one when he was first released)

[livid vine]

if u weren't the best ur name wouldnt be the bestest

[trim hound]

I need to sit my ass down and farm me up a Raging Bolt, I might be playing CIR myself at this rate

[livid vine]

its clear as day you are the best

[trim hound]

Damn straight

[chrome knot]

it takes forever

i just got me a new one in a love ball

was like a 2 day experience lmao

0atk love ball csr i knocked out in 1 sitting

[trim hound]

Blud I'm just going to chuck a Master Ball

[solid frigate]

got some changes on my regional team and i am might liking it

[molten oasis]

losing to gravity groudon with a fucking altaria gotta be the worst expereince so far

[torn parrot]

That was a team from worlds Uwu

It’s cool

[molten oasis]

it was? that feels even worse lol

why does every sludge bomb form amoonguss poison me

its every single one

i lose now

gg wp STUPID POISON

[solid frigate]

[shadow wind]

Prankster gravity sing Altaria

[forest arrow]

Yeah that groudon team made day 2

[left bobcat]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2281119518

yeah fire pon is da best

[torn parrot]

For a second my brain tricked me into thinking I was watching a conner replay

He’s the only guy I know who had the genius of weather ball raging bolt

[left bobcat]

Nah

I don’t think Conner would protect infront of my whims

[molten oasis]

yea it got me pretty good

[torn parrot]

https://pokepast.es/59543d896b26f688 i will neevr not find this team hilarious

[molten oasis]

i can expect it next time at least

[left bobcat]

I’ve also been doing that with one groudon team

[molten oasis]

if i led pao or shifu

[torn parrot]

every set and pokemon on this team was was chosen by someone who has an intense rage toward calyrex shadow

[left bobcat]

Might as well use it

[molten oasis]

i was fine lmao

[molten oasis]

true

and its valid

[left bobcat]

Idk why but scarf Urshifu is just-

[molten oasis]

CSR is not fun to fight whatsoever

[left bobcat]

I prefer sash

[torn parrot]

i find both annoying but

[molten oasis]

nah cloak taunt

[torn parrot]

im sure id find it perfectly fine if i was using a more defensive team

[left bobcat]

Ugh I see it all the time

That’s why I have a ditto in the back

[molten oasis]

i hate ditto it just doesn't click for me

like i'd rather smth else tbh

[left bobcat]

https://pokepast.es/8dfd2b39af54f90a

[torn parrot]

the scarf ones r scawy

[left bobcat]

i was thinking about just giving miraidon tera fire overheat

the way i would with my modest specs koraidon

[solid frigate]

Tera Fire Overheat's Value is kinda meh

why not just use Chi Yu

[molten oasis]

ong

[left bobcat]

its just fun to use

[molten oasis]

consider the following

[left bobcat]

oh boy-

[molten oasis]

gleam is consistent and you can just run something else to deal with rilla

[torn parrot]

why u need overheat

like honesttly

[left bobcat]

IT WAS JUST an experiment

[molten oasis]

that multiple people have done and they dont run overheat

[torn parrot]

is it rillaboom?

[left bobcat]

im just trying different things

[solid frigate]

just use CHi Yu if you play Overheat thats Easy Asf

And Drago you did Mentioned Overheat before on Miraidon before

[left bobcat]

thanks to whoever made that stupid miraidon team I had more digging to do

[torn parrot]

i dont blame you for trying

[molten oasis]

in what may?

of last year? gleam's consistent no lol

[left bobcat]

cuz now whenever I use miraidon players will automatically think oh hes just gonna volt switch

[solid frigate]

May lmao

[left bobcat]

oh hes gonna bring farig

[molten oasis]

im watching the fantastic four movie, that cgi must have looked phenominal back then

sure dont look like that rn lol

[left bobcat]

so im using stuff that looks weird

[solid frigate]

i mean

As a Miraidon Player,Just don't lead Whims Mirai

[left bobcat]

like covert miraidon

makes it easy to pivot out

[solid frigate]

Me Whenever CSR clicked Astral Barrage because Yes

[left bobcat]

while i just give my whims a rocky helmet

[molten oasis]

rocky helmet whimsi?

covert miraidon?

[left bobcat]

yurr

[molten oasis]

rocky helm is at least somewhat understandable dont run cloak on miraidon

[solid frigate]

i want to die seeing the item choice

[left bobcat]

^

[torn parrot]

is covert cloak for fake out

[left bobcat]

yeah so sometimes i can leave farig out

[molten oasis]

with fari already on the team

[solid frigate]

seen someone run Tera Ghost Miraidon Before

[solid frigate]

also yeah this.

[left bobcat]

i already have protect and spiky shield so i can go more on the offense

[molten oasis]

dont run cloak, just go specs

play better into fake out

[solid frigate]

just Specs and if you hate Fake Out THAT MUCH

[molten oasis]

ghost

[solid frigate]

Run Tera Ghost

hell my Miraidon Team does not have Fari lol

[torn parrot]

it kinda defeats the purpose of farigiraf being that miraidon can move around without worry of fake out

if you have cloak

[solid frigate]

just run Specs Ghost

[molten oasis]

or play good with fari

[solid frigate]

this is what i can't do lmao

[left bobcat]

but im ditching miraidon for dawn wings/lunala

[torn parrot]

good luck

[left bobcat]

too many of the same miraidons i prefer to be apart of the minority again even tho I know its gonna be even harder

[torn parrot]

im just tryna find some fun but its difficult
my brain is conflicted between wanting to nuke and wanting to live a turn

[left bobcat]

because last week

it was literally just a ditto

same team and everything and i was like aint no way

[molten oasis]

kyurem white is also a really fun mon

[solid frigate]

am i the only one who does not run Farigiraf for Miraidon

[molten oasis]

probably

[last yarrow]

Idk how y'all make such amazing teams because pretty much everything I try to make ends up getting utterly destroyed ;-;

[solid frigate]

what is your Team rn

Mind if you give us the Pokepaste?

[molten oasis]

first off

no team is perfect

theres a lot of work that goes into making a team that works for you

and second it depends on your skill and knowledge of the game/format

[solid frigate]

i don't think he mentions perfect so lets see the teams first

[molten oasis]

...

[last yarrow]

Here it is, I tried going for a dragon/fairy/steel core using koraidon as either a pivot sun setter with U-turn or sweeper with choice band, tera electric wild charge for kyogre & hurricane on walking wake for a tera grass kyogre

https://pokepast.es/db282c535856b2f2

[molten oasis]

im not even gonna explain what i meant by tht

[solid frigate]

there are a lot of interesting EVs Take-

[molten oasis]

i dont get kingambit

[solid frigate]

how much have you play for that team btw

[last yarrow]

Not that many but been a good few losses ;-;

[solid frigate]

no wonder why

just try Rental Koraidon Teams from Victory Road first,i don't think building team without knowing the Mechanics is good for you

you did know the basics,just the choices for the mons are VERY off

[wispy spade]

Isn't koraidon a dragon?

[last yarrow]

Kingambit is to deal with calyrex, specifically shadow. From what I remember calyrex shadow is everywhere & if I did the damage calcs right a suckerpunch should 1 hit KO it + resists/is immune to both STABs

[wispy spade]

With no dragon move

[solid frigate]

well it runs Flame Charge and Flare Blitz for Clear Amulet Sets

I just dunno why he run Wild Charge against Kyogre when just play around the Weather is fine

[charred saddle]

also why sash and the def spD ev? gambit is already quite tanky itself

and even if ur going sash why wuld you invest on def? its counter intuitive

the only exception is maybe multi hit like urshifu

[wispy spade]

Urshifu would cc

[charred saddle]

yeah then just sash and no def ev?

[solid frigate]

then again

[wispy spade]

Unless already tera

[last yarrow]

Dragon is only super effective against other dragons ain't it? Unless I'm misremembering. My logic was that since I have draco meteor on WW & moonblast on flutter it would be too many moveslots specifically for dragons

[charred saddle]

then why ghost tera?

[solid frigate]

my guy

Raging Bolt Exist why don't you run that-

[charred saddle]

CC > ghost tera i get it

[last yarrow]

sash was all I could think of for an item & it was for if I didn't want to use ghost tera

[charred saddle]

CC > sash, weird but ok

but then u put another def EV and spD which makes it a very weird

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 983: Kingambit

Types

Dark/Steel

Abilities

Defiant, Supreme Overlord, Pressure (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/135/120/60/85/50

Total

550

Sableye version 4.28.1

[last yarrow]

No DLC & somehow forgot it existed when making the team, hoping to make a team for the in-game ladder

[solid frigate]

why don't you just ask for trade

[charred saddle]

most CSR runs some sort of redirection, making sucker punch harder to land

or some CSR team runs indeedee also

and, most dark type/ghost do hit 4x and can potentially ohko CSR, so i think most CSR players will be more careful towards that

suddenly had an idea of just going covert cloak gambit HAHAHA

[molten oasis]

i guess, gambit hasnt had much success this format

[wispy spade]

Why does walking wake have hurricane on a non-rain team?

[charred saddle]

hurricane in sun is 50% acc btw

[wispy spade]

It's lowered in sun?

[charred saddle]

ye

[tiny karma]

Move: Hurricane

Has a 30% chance to confuse the target. This move can hit a target using Bounce, Fly, or Sky Drop, or is under the effect of Sky Drop. If the weather is Primordial Sea or Rain Dance, this move does not check accuracy. If the weather is Desolate Land or Sunny Day, this move's accuracy is 50%. If this move is used against a Pokemon holding Utility Umbrella, this move's accuracy remains at 70%.

Type

Flying

Category

Special

Power

110

Accuracy

70

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Wind

Triggers Wind Power and Wind Rider.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[charred saddle]

If the weather is Desolate Land or Sunny Day, this move's accuracy is 50%

[last yarrow]

Punish tera grass kyogre teams + rain teams in general, planning on mostly using hydro steam + draco meteor outside of those

[wispy spade]

First time seeing that

As a kyogre counter if you lose sun makes sense

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/9c289677007d17ae

Here's My own Take on Koraidon,Raging Bolt and Rillaboom should be able to do some damage against Kyogre naturally

[solid frigate]

i mean

just try to position your Boardstate

to lock in your Weather

[mental harness]

Hey guys quick question can you use a rental team in a local link battle

[charred saddle]

in cart?

[mental harness]

Eh

[charred saddle]

cartridge, as in not showdown but SV

[mental harness]

Yeah sv

[solid frigate]

yeah you can

[charred saddle]

but yeah i think u should be able to, as long u have the codes

[mental harness]

Ah sick cheers

I thought it was for comp only but I’ll give it ago

[wispy spade]

Doesn't koraidon suffer the same fate as groudon where it sets up weather it doesn't have stab with?

[charred saddle]

kinda

but groudon is slower and do win weather war against kyogre

not that its good

[solid frigate]

nothing that Tera Fire can't fix lol

But in all seriousness,Koraidon has a signature Move that does not miss.

[last yarrow]

I'll look up some rental code teams to try out to get the hang of competitive more, thanks y'all!

[solid frigate]

np

[charred saddle]

i would suggest you looking through the VGC repository and take a look at the achievements to see the team success, rather than scouring in YT

some YT VGC are quite niche and very very weirdly made teams sometimes

gl

[last yarrow]

Alrighty I will, thank you :3