competitive_discussion

[wide lark]

no wide guard

Insert mega mind meme here

Also, youre running rain mirai, you could go thunder, altho that might be excessive

me when my entire team gets walled by water absorb clodsire

[lofty tartan]

It's really rough running Thunder here because if sun comes up you're locked into a 50% accurate move.

And you'll see sun

[bold geode]

I think Dazzling Gleam Miraidon just better
You don't hit your allies and your spread move can hit Ground types

[wide lark]

And replace protect for draco or pulse too

[bold geode]

Like people are already using Ground types to counter Mirai

Also just
Specs Mirai if you don't got that

[real prairie]

literally lost a ladder game Yday to Water absorb Ogre walling in my Scarf'd Kyogre

[lofty tartan]

Running Mirai with 3 electric moves is also nuts. No dragon stab, no coverage move

[bold geode]

Wait why Specs Protect?

[wide lark]

Ive never liked specs users in doubles

[lofty tartan]

Specs is great. Just when it's used well.

[real prairie]

haha i said that too

[wide lark]

Im gonna give them a benefit of a doubt and assume theyre trying to account for knock off

Most likely they forgot they were running specs and not... magnet

[bold geode]

That's a horrible excuse

[real prairie]

i assumed it was just a move set before swapping items

ive done it before, Had protect on Ludicolo, swapped over to specs and forgot to change the moves.

[bold geode]

Miraidon just like
Deletes Incin at times

[lofty tartan]

People sometimes just don't realize that protect and choice items don't mix

[wide lark]

Its the only thing I could assume

[bold geode]

Aight lemme look at this thoroughly

[wide lark]

incin everyone

[lofty tartan]

Don't do it. You'll regret

[torn parrot]

Wise guard is defintely wacky

In some cases you can use wide guard against your opponent

[lofty tartan]

Wise Glasses Miraidon is the wave

[torn parrot]

By forcing them to click it

[wide lark]

Wide guard is great if you run it on the right pokemon

[bold geode]

Man the whole team just looks so off

[torn parrot]

Its like a double edge sword move

Sometimes you can pin the opponent sometimes they can pin you

[wide lark]

But having a legendary be your wide guarder is a really bad idea, with maybe one exception being zama

[real prairie]

Love Leading with Kyogre, forcing a wide guard only to swap out and encore it with either Ludicolo or Whims

[lofty tartan]

I love when Zama clicks WG in front of Kyogre

What a swing of momentum for me

[real prairie]

Lunala does okay with WG

[bold geode]

First off

1. Miraidon wants Fairy Tera or Electric tera if you REALLY want more oomph on those Electric attacks
2. I've seen Tornadus, I think Whims is better but I've seen Torn
3. On Ursh, I'd either go Sash Stellar or like maybe Grass tera?
4. Archaludon just does not fit
5. Incineroar can run AV set honestly
6. Wellspring I prefer Hearthflame
7. This team really wants Farigiraf

[lofty tartan]

Just hydro/hurricane. You cover the Tera grass and pin

No need to get cute. Kill the dog

[wide lark]

Lunala prefers protect to preserve shield and block hits from knock off, at least from my experience running it.

[real prairie]

Its not usually the dog, otherwise i would. Also i dont have hurricane lol

[real prairie]

agreed, was just giving another WG example ive seen

[wide lark]

Whims doesnt get rain dance, so torn is better here

[lofty tartan]

Rain team with no hurricane in a format with a bunch of Premiere fighting types and Tera grass. Jeeze.

[real prairie]

have long cat and Triple axel Tserenna

[lofty tartan]

I have Tsareena too. Doesn't help against fighting types

[wide lark]

I respect the tsar but you cant tell me not a single person on your rain team isnt a hurricane/bleakwind user

[lofty tartan]

Tsareena is to protect Kyogre/Ursh from priority.

But no torn or Jugs seems criminal. I'm running Jugs. Pressures a lot of random stuff as well as shadow horse

[wide lark]

IJug is my rain pick always

Booster energy IJugs is suprisingly scary

[lofty tartan]

IJug aesthetically looks terrible as an acronym

It's like your U got maimed

[wide lark]

(Sash can work too but energy is more fun)

[real prairie]

https://pokepast.es/eb1a00593cb00e51

Not a single mon has hurricane / bleakwind

[wide lark]

That just makes it funnier

Well i'll be

Loving the fake tears whims tho thats so much fun

[real prairie]

Great counter to Donzo teams and Calm mind Turtle

[bold geode]

I mean does this really need Rain Dance?

[lofty tartan]

Ludicolo is so ridiculously outclassed in Reg G and you've got 3 grass mons and barely anything that actually benefits in rain

[real prairie]

Trying to get into weather fights ends messy in my experience, I just try to kill their weather setters and then decide

[lofty tartan]

Like it's Ludicolo that benefits from rain. That's it.

Kyogre doesn't count

[wide lark]

I think thats what they were going for, Urshi, Arch, Torn, Waterpon all get boosted by rain

[wide lark]

May I suggest Landorus-I?

[real prairie]

Ludicolo is going nowhere, im going to be the worlds highest ranked Ludicolo player. yes the 3 grass is jarring, but for now its got me around the 1600 mark, Other things ive tried just haven't worked for me.

[real prairie]

Had it, dropped it for long-cat

[lofty tartan]

That's a pretty low bar to clear.

Also why is Chien-Pao here?

[molten oasis]

[real prairie]

Was fed up of Lando getting outsped

[wide lark]

Why pao and not mane or IBundle

[lofty tartan]

Use Tailwind.

[molten oasis]

What’s goin on?

[real prairie]

I do, still outsped because so is everyone else

[wide lark]

Some competitive discussion c:

[lofty tartan]

So if you matching tailwind doesn't help you then find a way to shore up the speed problems. Pao doesn't do that

[molten oasis]

Well I figured that much lol

[real prairie]

Physical attacker, dark type, Priority move

[molten oasis]

Iron bundle sucks

Why is pao here

[real prairie]

has so far lol 🤷‍♂️

[lofty tartan]

I just asked that too lol

[wide lark]

Bundle benefits from your rain, has great stab combo with freeze dry and can slow enemies with icy wind

[lofty tartan]

He looks just thrown in. Doesn't synergize

[molten oasis]

Yep

There’s also ludicolo, which is just a bad mon ngl

[wide lark]

AND learns encore

[molten oasis]

It’s so outclassed

[real prairie]

You guys been missing for last few months with me building this Ludi team or?

[wide lark]

Im saying replace pao not ludicolo

[molten oasis]

Yes

I’m gonna suggest you don’t use it

[lofty tartan]

I ignore a lot and otherwise don't really worry about other people's teams.

[real prairie]

Im enjoying Pao, but if there is a viable replacement id consider it tbh

[molten oasis]

Because you’re competing with things like rilla and shifu in that spot

[wide lark]

I made my argument for bundle over pao for your team

[real prairie]

very fair 🤣

[molten oasis]

Or lando, or basc even

[real prairie]

Not going back to Lando, really disliked it

[molten oasis]

Why lando’s awesome

[real prairie]

couldn't get out of the 1200-1300 range when running Lando, swapped to Pao now at 1600 🤷‍♂️

[molten oasis]

What is your miraidon mu

[wide lark]

I assume its whims-pao

[real prairie]

Whims Pao normally leads into Miraidon and protects turn 1, they 9/10 Tera as they are outsped and i threaten KO

Once its Tera Fairy, its an easy kill

[molten oasis]

ok

[wide lark]

sash bundle works aswell nyehe

[molten oasis]

Carry on ig

[wide lark]

[real prairie]

bundle is an option, but another Special attacker so have to weigh that up

also doesn't threaten anything in TR like Sucker Punch does

[molten oasis]

Again bundle sucks lol

[real prairie]

hahaha contradictory arguments here guys

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 991: Iron Bundle

Types

Ice/Water

Abilities

Quark Drive

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

56/80/114/124/60/136

Total

570

Sableye version 4.28.1

Pokémon No. 1002: Chien-Pao

Types

Dark/Ice

Abilities

Sword of Ruin

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

80/120/80/90/65/135

Total

570

Sableye version 4.28.1

[real prairie]

doesn't Bundle struggle with not having a good water type attack if i remember correctly?

[molten oasis]

That and it doesn’t hit hard enough

[real prairie]

Yeah chien power attack is helped by its ability I guess

Chien power 🤣 what a typo

Is tera flying hurricane Whims worth running? Instead of defensive tera and moonblast?

[charred saddle]

why would you do that tho?

[molten oasis]

Why lmao

[charred saddle]

whims main selling point is the utility + prankster

[real prairie]

Because people are saying have hurricane 🤣

[molten oasis]

Play torn then

[charred saddle]

[real prairie]

Gets walled by Whims which is why I went whims to begin with 🤣

[molten oasis]

It what?

Torn doesn’t get walled by whimsi what are you talking about

[real prairie]

Whims being fast and getting taunt and encore just puts you in a position where you have to tera your torn or switch out from it

[molten oasis]

KILL THE WHIMSICOTT FIRST

[charred saddle]

faster =/= walled tho?

[real prairie]

Which point it's already got TW up and you are outsped by its partner

[charred saddle]

usually the term wall used to = deal close to no damage, or literally no

[molten oasis]

Don’t say walled in that case lol

And also just bleakwind the whimsi

[real prairie]

Yeah okay, wrong term

[molten oasis]

Worst case scenario you die or get encored into bleakwind again

[real prairie]

My whims survives a BW 🤷🏼‍♂️

[molten oasis]

You can stagger tailwind

[real prairie]

Then lose the ability to TW

And end up outsped for at least 3 turns

[molten oasis]

You’re on scarf kyogre

Play through the turns

[charred saddle]

and even then, i dont see any reason to tera flying hurricane

u can miss + tera just to hit stuff is weird when ur suppposed to be a supp util

[molten oasis]

If you lose torn

[charred saddle]

whatre u chhanging?

TW MB weather protect

MB is nice since its natural stab and fairy is good overall

i really dont see any reason to use hurricane

[real prairie]

Fair enough

[wide lark]

What would you even replace to run that

[charred saddle]

only hits SE to fighhting grass whichh MB already is nice

[real prairie]

Moonblast deals with fighting too tbf

[wide lark]

Moonblast is worth it to scare away and ko Urshifus

[real prairie]

And doesn't need tera for stab

[wide lark]

Along with forcing korai tera

[charred saddle]

there u go u got ur answer urself

[real prairie]

Yeah, I got swayed by everyone saying I needed hurricane lol

I have unswayed myself

[charred saddle]

everyone who???

[wide lark]

Your team is okay I was making suggestions

[real prairie]

Not specifically on whims

[charred saddle]

u keep saying everyone but who is that everyone

[real prairie]

Just in general

[wide lark]

Hurricane on whims was not a suggestion

[charred saddle]

hurricane by itself is crap at best

[tiny karma]

Move: Hurricane

Has a 30% chance to confuse the target. This move can hit a target using Bounce, Fly, or Sky Drop, or is under the effect of Sky Drop. If the weather is Primordial Sea or Rain Dance, this move does not check accuracy. If the weather is Desolate Land or Sunny Day, this move's accuracy is 50%. If this move is used against a Pokemon holding Utility Umbrella, this move's accuracy remains at 70%.

Type

Flying

Category

Special

Power

110

Accuracy

70

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Wind

Triggers Wind Power and Wind Rider.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[real prairie]

No it wasn't, that was my idea of a middle ground

[charred saddle]

70% acc

and in sun 50%

[real prairie]

Rain team lol

[charred saddle]

uhh, theres thing called weather war and pagos tera

ok lets say u get it in rain

[real prairie]

Yeah I hear you

[wide lark]

Theres also a handful of quaza teams ive seen

[real prairie]

Just reiterating what was said early, how can I be running a rain team without hurricane etc

[charred saddle]

who gets hurricane anyway i dont remember

only knew torn

pelipper

[real prairie]

Iron jug

[wide lark]

Mostly flying types, best users are pelipper, the genies and Jugulis

[real prairie]

There's a few others

[charred saddle]

pelipper gets it own way since it naturally has rain dish + STAB

[wide lark]

Ive seen some kilowattrels here and there using double rain stab

[charred saddle]

also iirc some pelipper run sash + stellar making it hit harder

[real prairie]

Seen a lot of Life orb pelipper recently

[charred saddle]

the fuck?

[wide lark]

Goltres also uses hurricane, but it isnt very common

[charred saddle]

where the fuck are u playing

[real prairie]

Ladder and showdown lol

Id say 8/10 of the pelipper I've seen have been orbs

[dense latch]

yea it got 2nd at worlds so i'm not surprised it's being used

[charred saddle]

[real prairie]

Probably why I'm seeing it, people just copying worlds teams

[wide lark]

I wanted to use the ITreads that was at worlds

[charred saddle]

https://pokepast.es/b8b096fd0ea70861

[wide lark]

But I dont rly play eterrain teams

[charred saddle]

mad man

absolute mad man

max max hp spA

[lofty tartan]

Hurricane next to Kyogre is less so

[wide lark]

Coaching IVal too insane

[lofty tartan]

Especially with the amount of Wide Guard in the format vs Bleakwind Storm. I'd run, and have run, Hurricane over Bleakwind on Torn on Rain

[charred saddle]

oh i was talking hurricane being crap in no rain

in rain like pelipper seems fine, but i really dont thhink its a must have

[lofty tartan]

Yeah of course, but those of us who suggested Hurricane to oneofakindof was because he's playing Kyogre.

[charred saddle]

hmm lots of scarf lando hhuh

[lofty tartan]

Scarf Lando is a vibe.

[charred saddle]

whhich i did in the early reg G just for mirai kek

[wide lark]

Outspeeds and ko's specs mirai, and if they tera they have to drop draco to ko

[charred saddle]

iitc max modest EP KOs mirai non tera righht?

[lofty tartan]

But my Scarf mon right now is Kyogre because I'd rather have fun with Reg G than be too serious.

[charred saddle]

yeye

[molten oasis]

I prefer lorb still

Just having that damage for more specially bulky things is really nice

[lofty tartan]

Your mom has special bulk 👀

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/jerma-wtdg-jerma-rats-jerma-salad-salad-claims-another-gif-1584136564994748416

[charred saddle]

mika no

[wide lark]

The team I was running cause I didnt wanna be serious either

[lofty tartan]

Awh dude I love salad.

[molten oasis]

Become the salad

[lofty tartan]

No because I'm not a cannibal

[wide lark]

Also solgaleo might be my favourite legendary

[molten oasis]

lol

[lofty tartan]

Salad is just amazing. Add some red meat to it and you've got a feel-good dish

[charred saddle]

the only salad i can prob enjoy is cucumber

i like the crunch haha

[lofty tartan]

Cucumber is a component of salad.

[molten oasis]

I like salad with croutons

[lofty tartan]

GROSS

[charred saddle]

just straight up cucumber

[lofty tartan]

That's not a salad

[molten oasis]

What’s wrong with croutons?

[lofty tartan]

That's sliced cucumbers.

[molten oasis]

Oh you’re talking about the, nvm

[lofty tartan]

The gross was for croutons.

[charred saddle]

nonono

eat it like its a banana

[molten oasis]

Why

[lofty tartan]

It's just dry sorta seasoned bread. It's so whatever.

[wide lark]

I am sadly not a big fan of salads

[lofty tartan]

It's carbs for the sake of carbs xD

[wide lark]

Revolting.

[charred saddle]

im not joking cucumber is so nice

[lofty tartan]

I mean that's fine. Cucumber is really tasty.

It's a refreshing snack.

[charred saddle]

also, you can dip it a lil to salt and its also very good

[lofty tartan]

I just slice them and sprinkle some vinegar over them.

[charred saddle]

very. lots of water contennt in it = good hydration

oh never tried vinegar wit it

[knotty mirage]

Ho boy just lost to eruption coaching h liligant groudon

[lofty tartan]

Add salt for flavor.

[knotty mirage]

I really hate closed team sheet

[charred saddle]

ye i usually go for salt

[lofty tartan]

My wife and I buy the smaller snacking cucumbers and just go to town on them

[charred saddle]

i thhink also the cucumber salad from the restaurant are marinated with soy sauce + sesame oil + seeds

[wide lark]

I mean, as soon as you see groudon, you should prep for harsh aoe anyway

Precipice blades or eruption

[charred saddle]

[knotty mirage]

How should i know if it could use both at same time

I just thought it will go for either special or physical

[wide lark]

I saw this one guy running noctowl w/skill swap + groudon, tinted lens groudon scary wahhhh

[wide lark]

P blades and eruption are both spread tho...

[lofty tartan]

I mean if it was using Eruption plus P Blades then the investment on that Groudon was shit tightly rolled in a paper bag

[mint void]

yeah but its different defense stat to take the hit

[knotty mirage]

It also use coaching h liligant prolly to fix the physical investment

[mint void]

still stupid

[lofty tartan]

So it went Coaching into Eruption?

[mint void]

coaching would just make u giga broken if u dont use eruption

[knotty mirage]

Yes

[lofty tartan]

Your opponent was very bad.

[charred saddle]

erupt is spA tho

coachhing is +1atk def right?

[knotty mirage]

It just caught me off guard man it use eruption i thought it special set but suddenly it go p blade ohko my caly ice and ursaluna

[real prairie]

If I wasn't running scarf Kyogre I'd have run scarf Lando

[lofty tartan]

Totally what I'm saying. Their opponent was bad/didn't realize that Eruption uses SpA

[knotty mirage]

It still deal good damage it deal like 80% too my fari

[charred saddle]

i mean id assume even wit low investment on atk, +1 is still +1

[knotty mirage]

And then sweep with principle blade afterward

[charred saddle]

+1 is 50% increase so

[lofty tartan]

Yeah but +1 attack just to Eruption and ignore it. And it's not like Groudon has low pDef

[lofty tartan]

252+ SpA Groudon Eruption (150 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Farigiraf in Sun: 118-139 (60.5 - 71.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

How did it do 80%? 👀

[real prairie]

Groudon is such a strange mon, can tell it came before the physical/special split

[knotty mirage]

Mixed attacker groudon yeah i should take a break from cart ladder because damn

[knotty mirage]

Tbh i'm not sure the real number it closed too 80% as far i remember

Beside how should i tell in game HP bar anyway

[wide lark]

Pretty sure chi yu does more with ember kekw

[real prairie]

Why didn't they just make Groudon a SpAtk mon, Eruption was it's jam, p blades could have easily been special

[knotty mirage]

It also use life orb btw

Just cart ladder people i guess

[wide lark]

Eruption life orb?!

Thats... an idea

Not a good one but still

[knotty mirage]

Yeah eruption life orb coaching at turn 1

[lofty tartan]

Does your Farigiraf have no bulk?

[knotty mirage]

And then go for principle blade afterward

[charred saddle]

i mean DE drago LO is a thing

[lofty tartan]

The Coaching literally did nothing turn 1

[knotty mirage]

It do actually

[charred saddle]

precipice btw

[real prairie]

Principle blade 🤣

[knotty mirage]

Okay it kinda confusing to spell something like that gimme a break

[real prairie]

I was gonna make that typo too, it's why I just put P blade 🤣

[lofty tartan]

Pickle Blade

[real prairie]

It was funny because I was about 2 seconds away from doing it

[real prairie]

I'm never calling it anything else

[charred saddle]

didnt mean to pick on you, just letting you know haha

[knotty mirage]

Okay my fari is more bulky on physical side

It's old build from few month reg G where caly ice is dominating

[lofty tartan]

I'd probably err more toward special bulk, starting with HP, for Reg G

[knotty mirage]

With groudon everywhere at the moment yeah i don't think so

[knotty mirage]

This groudon is like my third in a row match agains't it

[lofty tartan]

In what world is 4.4% everywhere?

[knotty mirage]

Okay maybe it just my matchmaking then

[lofty tartan]

Your ladder matches are entirely anecdotal

[real prairie]

Caly Ice + Kyogre have good synergy in 2x restricted?

Thinking ahead lol

[lofty tartan]

Dunno. We haven't played double restricted in S/V yet lol

[charred saddle]

zama lunala seems nice

[real prairie]

All the wide guards

[lofty tartan]

Like speculation is well and fine but speculating a meta before it even starts is almost impossible.

[real prairie]

Yeah just wondered if they had good synergy in SwSh

[lofty tartan]

Just wait til Showdown starts up the early ladder so everyone can complain about Horses; this time just horses with friends

I'm gonna try out Dialga/Ice Rider for funsies 🤷

[real prairie]

On paper rain to drop the Atk of fire moves + Caly Ice high def seems good

[left bobcat]

Me dices

[lofty tartan]

I'm gonna play Groudon/Kyogre in double restricted and ruin everyone's fun

[charred saddle]

thats just straight up annoying

[lofty tartan]

Sorry not sorry

Miraidon/Koraidon. DOUBLE DRAGON

https://tenor.com/view/double-dragon-kick-laugh-robert-patrick-gif-17578181

[charred saddle]

go koraidon groudon

then add torkoal

3 sunny day is a sunny team indeed

[spiral ridge]

Weather war nah weather dictatorship

[lofty tartan]

Ninetales/Ttar/Groudon/Kyogre

And then just Flutter/Ursh

https://tenor.com/view/emril-lagasse-bam-chef-cooking-gif-4785353

[charred saddle]

sup bbgurl

[spiral ridge]

Hey leoi

[charred saddle]

A9tales too

[left bobcat]

Wassssssssss ya name?

[spiral ridge]

Weather ball gonna be Russian roulette

[next stump]

yoooo shoutout the japanese player who brought that to 2022 worlds and made day 2

[lofty tartan]

I'm not playing Drought Ninetales

[left bobcat]

Lemme buy u drank

[lofty tartan]

IT'S GONNA HAPPEN AGAIN BOOOOOIIIIIII

[left bobcat]

Too frail

[wide lark]

If we get double legends, I honestly have no idea what I would run

[charred saddle]

actually?

[wide lark]

Obviously solgaleo, but the second legendary I have no idea

[charred saddle]

madlad

[next stump]

yeah i’ll find the paste

[charred saddle]

insane man

[lofty tartan]

Yeah I knew about that team - when I got into VGC I researched older formats 😄

Golisopod, my beloved.

[wide lark]

Raikou yooooo

[spiral ridge]

All the 0s tryna process that team

[charred saddle]

insane team HAHAHAH

[wide lark]

Inner focus raikou my beloved

[lofty tartan]

Nah I'd play this. It totally makes sense.

Weather Ball is insane in a Tera format.

[wide lark]

At one point I tried inner focus suicune as a reg G support

But its just kind of... ehhh

[torn parrot]

Do u think detect needs to be pp maxed

[wide lark]

Yes

[knotty mirage]

8 pp def is

[charred saddle]

its a very niche situation

[torn parrot]

Yeah I’d agree

[lofty tartan]

Yeah you mostly only run detect to get out of Encore shenanigans earlier

[charred saddle]

the only good thing not being pp maxed is to get out of encore faster

[molten oasis]

8 pp in this format is fine

[lofty tartan]

And then it's debatable whether or not you want pp max there

[molten oasis]

Idt you’re realistically protecting 8 times in one match on one mon

[wide lark]

Your protecting move also doesnt get imprisoned

[torn parrot]

I love buying dozens and dozens of pp maxes and then the game reminds me to give a healthy dosage

Haha

[lofty tartan]

Yeah but how many people are really playing Imprison in a format with such high BP moves and huge damage swings?

Reg G is fast with tiny margins for error.

Your window for getting punished is massive

[wide lark]

Mostly people trying to stop trick room, but it is admittedly extremely rare

[charred saddle]

palkia my beloved

[lofty tartan]

For Imprison to matter, mon has to stay alive.

[charred saddle]

cant even enjoy palkia in reg G

[lofty tartan]

It's just a shame that Palkia is such hot dog water

[molten oasis]

Palkia sucks unfortunately

[charred saddle]

every move it has can miss

[wide lark]

I like Palkia O in reg G singles

But I wouldnt try it in doubles with a ten foot pole

[lofty tartan]

I'm only going to play Dialga/Ice Rider because I saw it doing stuff in Gen 8 and it looked cool. 🤷

[wide lark]

Dialga is a really reliable trick room setter

Bulky, amazing typing and can hit a bunch of pokemon for huge neutral/SE damage

[torn parrot]

Yeah wondering if there’s situations where I would be detecting more than 5 times

[lofty tartan]

I'm only even going to play any Reg G for Global Challenges. The second wave isn't interesting to me. But looking forward to the announcement for Reg I

[charred saddle]

whhen shiny trio DLC

[left bobcat]

Wooahhhhh oooweeee

[charred saddle]

also when shiny raidons

[lofty tartan]

I would like to see rewards for the 4x Global Challenges be the shiny Ruins

[charred saddle]

oh yeahh id like ruins more

[wide lark]

I havent seen ting lu's shiny but I want it

[lofty tartan]

My kingdom for blue fire fish

[wide lark]

By far my favourite gen 9 pokemon

[left bobcat]

Shiny chi yu is the best of the 4

[lofty tartan]

Moss Moose

[wide lark]

Oh that looks better than I expected

[lofty tartan]

I like all of the Ruin shinies.

[charred saddle]

moosse

[spiral ridge]

Gonna steal my brothers violet save to get that shiny korai

[lofty tartan]

Straight 🔥

[wide lark]

Chien pao shiny is kinda goofy

[spiral ridge]

Autumn chien

[left bobcat]

It’s just brown

[charred saddle]

nah blue fire chiyu is the best tho

[lofty tartan]

Nawh man we dig it

[charred saddle]

best feesh

[mint void]

chocolate leo

[spiral ridge]

I always think of rocky road ice cream looking at this

[spiral ridge]

Real

[wide lark]

I know chi yu just turns light blue

And it looks amazing

[lofty tartan]

It's the blue + black that gets me

And the differing shades of blue.

Straight up beta fish coloring

[charred saddle]

chhiyu one feels right in every aspect

even the magatama in the eye matches

[lofty tartan]

Well yeah blue fire. So long as they didn't make it like a lighter shade of yellow and red it was gonna be sick

Chi-Yu has an overall great design

[charred saddle]

[wide lark]

The loyal 3 shinies definitely exist

[lofty tartan]

They phoned in so many Gen 9 shinies and it sucked. At least the Ruins are good.

[wide lark]

I prefer base okidoge especially

[left bobcat]

Azura

[lofty tartan]

Oh - time for the kiddo to get out of school.

It's her birthday

[tranquil kraken]

happy birthday smol dazedmika!

[wide lark]

I dont care abt munkidori so you dont get to see its shiny :c

[lofty tartan]

She's 8 and not-so-small anymore

She definitely got her height from me.

But thank you!

[gentle crag]

dazedmika has given 1 Gen Rep to ongepast

[tranquil kraken]

npnp

[charred saddle]

happy birthday

[lofty tartan]

She's already standing about chest height to me

[charred saddle]

to ur daughter ofc haha

[lofty tartan]

For context I'm just shy of six feet

[spiral ridge]

Happy birthday to your kid

[naive drift]

Competitive team with Skeledirge? Season 26

[lofty tartan]

👎

[left bobcat]

Uhhhhhh

[naive drift]

What’s wrong

[charred saddle]

just being honest, skeledirge doesnt do much in comp doubles so

[naive drift]

Damn only in singles?

[charred saddle]

yeah iirc its quite good in singles.

not that i played it a lot

too long to get it going, too slow to hit

only good thing from it is the bulk but then again

soon reg G hits, caly S SE, lots of ground coverage, urshifu still being a problem both types

so

wouldnt recommend it

and why incin better? esp whhen both fire starter

dark type = good MU CSR
FO Intim Parting shot cycle
flareblitz insane bp, knockoff stab
innately slow and can play in some TR

it still have some problem similar to skeledirge but the utils kinda cancels out partly

[charred saddle]

oh and, also in doubles u can actually get double up so,doesnt help

while singles only hit once or even set hazards while it can ignore with boots thingy and just torchh song

thats what i know anyway

[fading bone]

Any teams you guys have been having fun with, want to try a new rental code

[charred saddle]

https://pokepast.es/12e3ebc12d4c87fb

cough cough

oh its not yet the updated team gimme a sec

https://pokepast.es/bb2b8ad1928afe36

[plain drum]

Can I stare now

[charred saddle]

Gcuno bulkier than i expected

252 Atk Sword of Ruin Chien-Pao Ice Spinner vs. 220 HP / 116+ Def Articuno-Galar: 158-188 (81.8 - 97.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

iirc crash is roll

also dark tera might be better

[fading bone]

Could you send the rental code too so I can try on ladder. I’ve played mainly the terapagos team that did best on repository at worlds. I hate substitute on it tho and the Galar artícuno is interesting. Is it fulfilling the role flutter usually does?

[charred saddle]

no

i dont have the rental code since im still tinkering with Gcuno

also, it doesnt fill the role flutterusually does

the only good redeeming factor by far, is it walls zama

and +1 spA from competitive = quite nice damage with glare

and one freeze can basically shut it down

[fading bone]

Ay yeah I looked closer and realized it was a trick room team. I def think terapagos needs a trick room setup. I’m assuming you’re tinkering with EVs but if you’re also trying to do different moves, something to deal with iron hands would probably be nice. I know clefairy is probably already doing that with follow me but trick room iron hands could be brutal into tereapagos

[charred saddle]

it doesnt actually revolves around TR that much

since u got 2 FO user and can cycle it around

and also, with lefties and calm mind u kinda want to stall it out and play a war of attrition

the only reason it has TR is to play against TW teams

[fading bone]

Ya the one I run from@repository I usually go incen plus rilla it’s Just kinda brutal cause games drag and then you can often still lose end gamer due to being slower and chipped

[charred saddle]

specs pagos and lefties have a very different gameplay

[fading bone]

I’ve been playing lefties

[charred saddle]

i mean one thing i can maybe also try is have TW TR on Gcuno

Gcuno gets both so

hhavent tried that

[fading bone]

Hmmm

[charred saddle]

lemme just say this, Gcuno is crap

its fun since i like it

and also im trying to make ateamwith it since i got the shiny

[fading bone]

Ahhh

That’s sick btw

[left bobcat]

You sick ba-

[humble cedar]

anyone got anything crazy for the return of reg g

[solid frigate]

not showing the sauce of mine after next week

[knotty mirage]

I wonder i don't see zamazenta much in this reg is it because of miraidon dominating the ladder

[humble cedar]

I've seen a ton of zamas suddenly running mad spdef

[humble cedar]

I'm lowk cooking up stuff for reg i

[knotty mirage]

Like max spdef damn

[humble cedar]

yeah

I started running sacred sword so I could 2hko it

[solid frigate]

ah yes Reg I

Regi

[humble cedar]

REGI

I was thinking miraidon next to kyurem

prolly the physical ones

[solid frigate]

Miraidon Kyurem Black?

Thats- interesting to say the least

[humble cedar]

because kyurem black gets both electric moved to benefit from terrain, plus it's got the strongest icicle spear in the formst

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 646: Kyurem-Black

Types

Dragon/Ice

Abilities

Teravolt

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

125/170/100/120/90/95

Total

700

Base Species

Kyurem

Sableye version 4.28.1

[charred saddle]

honestly thats quite interesting

[humble cedar]

scarf miraidon and loaded dice kyurem black might be insane

[charred saddle]

oh it doesnt get ice shard

disappointing

[humble cedar]

or it might be trash

we will see

[charred saddle]

id say ground will still be a big annoying threat especially thhat kyurem doesnt get ice shard

if it doesnt gets ice shard then lando will still be annoying

but then again

[humble cedar]

scale shot might help to remedy those concerns

it doesn't get scale shot

never mind

wait it does but it's listed under "useless moves"

[charred saddle]

now thhat i think about it, does SV have the fusion bolt > fusion flare animation

since iirc it has a unique animation

[solid frigate]

just run CIR at this point but damn

[solid frigate]

smogon is tweaking

[humble cedar]

WAIT

I could run it as bulky speed control

with glaciate

[charred saddle]

glaciate is only kyurems move

[humble cedar]

kyurem white would be better for that ofc

[charred saddle]

iirc black and white kyurem doesnt get to use it

only base kyurem'

[humble cedar]

smogon says i can

[charred saddle]

[humble cedar]

idk no one would ever run glaciate let alone kyurem in ubers anyway

so I don't have any proof

ur right it can't

I think it's time to abandon kyurem and just drop in calyS

[next stump]

anyone know what happens if you click knock off + rage powder into an opponent with safety goggles on the same turn?

like knock off their incin’s goggles and click rage powder with your amoonguss

[humble cedar]

rage powder is priority so unless your incin is faster than the mon you're knocking off it won't do anything

[next stump]

yes but what if it is faster

like roaring moon

[humble cedar]

I just assumed u were talking about incin

[charred saddle]

so it will be like

rage powder > knock off > incin (no goggles now) flare blitz or something right

[humble cedar]

but my guess is that it should work

so if u knock off the goggles it'll go for your amoonguss

[next stump]

let’s say opponent has urshifu with goggles

and you have moon + amoonguss

[charred saddle]

honestly thhats a very good question

[next stump]

and you knock off the goggles and click rage powder, and they CC moon

where does the CC go

[humble cedar]

I get what ur saying but urshifu is gonna be running scarf, band or mystic water

but I'm sure you'll run into it eventually on ladder

my guess is that when u knock off the goggles it'll follow the rage powder

[charred saddle]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2276871954

heres my test

so knock off to incin will make it no goggles and get rage powdered

[next stump]

holy shit thank you

huge matchup solution for me

[charred saddle]

it is a cool idea haha

[humble cedar]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2276872986-idrvt7uc5h9d7y2jhkvnscqe6secsowpw

what the hell was this guy doing

now granted I'm low ladder but really? how ru that bad

[next stump]

1054 elo

it’s probably a kid

[humble cedar]

bro every time a new regulation drops low ladder is insane for like 2 weeks

u could fight lil timmy

or you could fight wolfey

[shadow wind]

And this reg has been out for a month

So those 2 weeks have passed

[humble cedar]

I thought it dropped on new years

[shadow wind]

It dropped like December first

Just look at the leaderboards

[bold geode]

It dropped on cart yesterday

[shadow wind]

People are at 1800

[bold geode]

Showdown it's been there for a month

[humble cedar]

I didn't know that

I was too busy with finals to care about vgc

[next stump]

when’s the first regional?

next weekend?

[foggy lodge]

yes

The 18th

les go

Dropped to 1390 and got back again

[next stump]

congrats 🙂

[humble cedar]

I am trying to figure out how to patch my caly ice sized hole in my miraidon team

[next stump]

https://tenor.com/view/ogerpon-pokemon-teal-mask-dlc-gif-5879253822303370158

fire oger + electric seed farig is nice into it

[humble cedar]

yeah but then I get railed by kyogre 😔

I'm thinking I put in like urshifu

but i can't decide if rapid or single would do better

[foggy lodge]

kyogre shouldn't be a problem if you play Mirai

[humble cedar]

because he's usually tera fire but if I run single strike I can nuke the trick room setters too

[foggy lodge]

As long as you have something to punish tera grass

[humble cedar]

megahorn iron leaves 🥱

[foggy lodge]

lol

[humble cedar]

ur laughing but iron leaves nukes everything that can resist electric moves

[foggy lodge]

i know

Its a good mon

[humble cedar]

its not that good but yea I'm iron leaves strongest soldier

run it exclusively with miraidon since reg g came out last year

[mint void]

imagine its not coming

[humble cedar]

ugh

[next stump]

it would be really cool to get the Reg I announcement at EUIC

but they’d never do that

[bold geode]

Good and Iron Leaves don't match

[still ridge]

Anyone have any ideas for beating calyrex + redirect support? I feel like that's all I play against

[humble cedar]

dark types

with safety goggles

who also happen to be fire types

who also happen to have intimidate and knock off

[still ridge]

And if they have a follow-me user?

[humble cedar]

good luck

snarl works ig

raging bolt is my anti calyS mon

and now that I'm running a bulky scarf miraidon it takes barrage well too and hits back with parabolic charge to run it back the next turn

I think the biggest problem with killing calyS is that it's surprisingly bulky for how strong it is so you can't just prioritize damage or bulk to counter it

yeah it's 100-80-100 bulk which is nuts for having 165spa and 150speed

[still ridge]

The only way I've been able to beat it is just sitting there with zama spamming wide guard until hopefully I can deal with the other mon

[humble cedar]

my plan vs calyS is to sit there with my scarf miraidon and spam parabolic charge

either he blocks it with wide guard and loses calyS to my partner or clicks follow me and doesn't do enough damage to kill miraidon

who is also disgustingly bulky for how strong he is

[bold geode]

If you're playing Zamazenta then that's always gonna be a bad MU

[left bobcat]

What if-

Incin and rilla had a kid

[charred saddle]

how does bolt being an anti caly S?

[humble cedar]

snarl and thunderclap

[left bobcat]

Snarl

[humble cedar]

assault vest let's it live surprisingly well

and snarl just ruins calyS day

[molten oasis]

And that Mon isn’t playable

[humble cedar]

but what if

[real prairie]

Would have hoped for better considering how I started, some improvements to make before next week, but it's better than I've ever done before so I'll take it.

[humble cedar]

what a gamer

[real prairie]

The back and forth bantering aside from earlier I am genuinely welcome to hear alterations to my team, I think the 3 Mainstays are Ludicolo, Kyogre and Tserena (or another priority blocker).

https://pokepast.es/eb1a00593cb00e51

[real prairie]

Can't tell if this is sarcasm or not, but thanks if not

[gentle crag]

oneofakindof has given 1 Gen Rep to _charizard

[humble cedar]

def not, t300 is definitely an achievement to be proud of

I've never even built a team in game for vgc because I just use iron leaves on showdown ladder in between projects at work

[real prairie]

Birmingham is not only my first regional but my first IRL tournament period, so I'm desperate to get it right. Even if I don't make it out of day 1 I'd like to finish positive and know I did it with Ludicolo ♥️

[next stump]

I’ve seen zama players on ladder adapt with stuff like booster speed flutter mane with tera grass and shadow ball

doesn’t work flawlessly but helps against amoonguss + caly

[next stump]

you will be ludicolo’s number 1 performer this regulation

hell yeah

[stone trellis]

Imagine if bro wins a tournament.

Imagine if he wins Worlds with Ludicolo.

[balmy glen]

Eh

[humble cedar]

don't zama run crunch

and tailwind

[bold geode]

No?

They don't run Crunch and they DEFINITELY don't have TW unless that's from a partner

It's Body Press/Heavy Slam/Wide Guard/Protect

[humble cedar]

I swear i saw them running crunch or maybe that was in uners

ubers

[mint void]

@humble cedar defo not VGC

[real prairie]

If you have willed this into existence for me, I'll give you $500 of the prize money 🤣

[humble cedar]

if u win ur regional can I have one of the prize packs

:)

[real prairie]

You get packs?

[humble cedar]

I think so

locals near me give em out but I can never go

[real prairie]

Thought that was just TCG

[humble cedar]

idk i remember seeing some of my local vgc tournaments giving out tcg stuff

[bold geode]

https://youtu.be/ZvRpnddnpEQ?si=Wi7j2B7YHd5iRE59
Just free content at this point

[stone trellis]

May the RNG be with you.

[humble cedar]

I don't live near any regionals so idk about them

[real prairie]

I don't live near any locals 🤣 at least not that I know of, i have no idea how to find out

But I'd guess locals would be more likely to give out merch as prizes as it's more cost effective for them than prize money

[stone trellis]

Hopefully @real prairie wins Worlds with Ludicolo and Blunder Edge Groudon.

[real prairie]

I don't think I'll be taking Groudon funnily enough, but tera fire weather ball + energy ball Ludicolo in the sun sounds like a laugh

Or even solarbeam 🤣

[stone trellis]

Sounds fire.

[stone trellis]

Don't know how good it is in doubles, but it is a nuke in singles.

[real prairie]

Groudon? Don't know his @ but Conner can attest to it's quality

[next stump]

if you win a regional you get 100+ packs easily

you get 72 packs just for going 8 wins 3 losses

https://x.com/rk9labs/status/1876778555507396773?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfszOAZ6w

RK9 Labs 🐾 (@rk9labs) on X

Attention all #PlayPokemon competitors!

We have two Regional Championships opening registration tomorrow (Wednesday, January 8)!

Fortaleza Regionals opens tomorrow at 7pm BRT, and Vancouver opens tomorrow at 7pm PST. All registration links for each Regional can be found here:

Twitter · Jan 7, 2025, 11:50 PM

[chrome knot]

are u going? @next stump

[next stump]

no i don’t think so 😦

[chrome knot]

awh

i’ve like impulsively saved up for it since toronto bc i wanted to see Kat again,,,,,, so i’ll be there

[humble cedar]

for vgc?

[next stump]

yes

[real prairie]

My son will be chuffed

[next stump]

108 packs for winning the tournament

[real prairie]

Give them all to him 🤣 (apart from one to @humble cedar

[next stump]

@real prairie how many people are registered for birmingham? can you check on RK9?

[balmy glen]

Yes

You pretty much get packs for just going almost

I think like just top 128 gets them

[next stump]

top 256 even gets 9 packs

for a huge tournament like EUIC, top 256 will get 18

[real prairie]

That's really cool, at least I'll come back with a little something

[real prairie]

Not sure, I can look later on

Playing mw2 (2009) ATM 🤣

[humble cedar]

bet thanks pookie

[gentle crag]

_charizard has given 1 Gen Rep to oneofakindof

[next stump]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-kill-sniping-fps-mw2-gameplay-footage-gif-14443552

[real prairie]

Yeah I got IW4X so playing on custom servers on PC

Real injection of nostalgia

[lofty tartan]

Notable that prize packs and the packs you receive at a Regional are different.

Prize packs are curated with stamped promos.

Packs/boxes received at a Regional are simply sealed TCG product

[left bobcat]

On the next episode of what if….

[craggy dagger]

wait vancouver opens soon o.o

[left bobcat]

Carti

[wide lark]

L + Bad ability + 4x weak to bug + no fake out + lower attack than rilla.

Honestly just bad/mid all around, the only useful thing it does is it's special move jungle healing, and even then cresselia is better.

[Jungle healing - Heals self and allies for 25% HP, triggers aromatherapy]

[still ridge]

I think I need a replacement for iron bundle, I'm thinking alolan ninetales but it might just be too weak-

[mint void]

@still ridge what are u getting these from?

Anyway. I have been throwing Beast Balls at an Iron Crown for the past hour...why cant it be Pokeball catch rate on no ultra beasts

[still ridge]

@mint void It was an excel doc mentioned in this video, you basically record your games and paste them into the sheet as you complete them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oq3v5A84Fs4

[mint void]

Ok. That sheet. Didn't know it gives u that.

[still ridge]

It has like 10 tabs at the bottom, been loving it but just found it today

Also this is my current team, any suggestions to replace bundle are appreciated-
https://pokepast.es/d868b8c88b720dd4

[wide lark]

Looks like sash bundle, may I recommend my GOAT whimsical cotton

[still ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/soul-eater-black-star-death-the-kid-excalibur-soul-gif-16662157

[mint void]

How does Ceruledge do?

I ran it in Reg H but how does it square up in reg g for u?

[still ridge]

He synergizes very well with zama, can pivot safely from fire/fighting attacks, good into caly-ice

[wide lark]

With a tailwind advantage ceruledge could also nuke calyshadow

[still ridge]

my problem with calyshadow is the redirection, not the damage

[mint void]

Anyone calc how much shadow sneak does?

Busy with crown cunt

[still ridge]

follow me and rage powder are the bane of my existence

[wide lark]

you know who could help with that

whimsicott

[mint void]

Mhhh

[still ridge]

how does whimsi help with that lol

[wide lark]

Taunt

[still ridge]

Oh I run taunt on ceruledge too

[mint void]

@wide lark brover look at the Ceruledge moves

[wide lark]

And it has priority tailwind for the turn after

[mint void]

Vfhdjrjsnsn

[wide lark]

Hrmmmmm

[mint void]

Triple shake on beast ball

Fuck this thing

[wide lark]

I missed the pokepaste

I hate my life

[still ridge]

I was thinking grimmsnarl just because I'm biased towards him

also spirit break strong in the meta right now

[mint void]

Man there are so many mons id like to run that just dont work together that well

[wide lark]

Alr lets see here you got the Bundle with encore, double stab, protect and focus sash

[foggy lodge]

TOP 300 LES GO

[wide lark]

What kind of speed control do you even have?

[still ridge]

I tested switching calm mind on latias for tailwind but calm mind was better in most of my tests

[wide lark]

If you wanna keep Bundle, you could try freeze dry. You could also do smth like Dual screens, Twave, Spirit Break grimm

Whimsicott/torn for tailwind and other relevant status moves

[still ridge]

He already has freeze dry, been underperforming everyone else on the team

[wide lark]

Sorry not freeze dry

[still ridge]

icy wind?

[wide lark]

Yea that

[still ridge]

most of the time I was more worried about killing a threat than slowing them down

[wide lark]

The main thing in favour of icy wind is just how fast bundle is, it can slow things like mirai before they can act which can really shut them down, but it would also help things like latias and lando function better

[still ridge]

I guess I could always go full degen amoongus lol

[foggy lodge]

what is your full team

[wide lark]

I hate typos

[still ridge]

https://pokepast.es/d868b8c88b720dd4 @foggy lodge

[wide lark]

No one saw that

[still ridge]

current status is iron bundle is underperforming, looking for alternative- currently leaning into grimmsnarl

[foggy lodge]

Use Latios

[wide lark]

Ungaboonguss for the memes

[foggy lodge]

Latias may fulfil a specific niche but Latios is just overall better

[still ridge]

Ran the calcs and latias was slightly better for the threats I was aiming for

[foggy lodge]

Also the team lacks

Really badly of protects and speed control

Ceruledge Latias and Zama need protect

[wide lark]

I was talking abt speed control too, tbh if I was just looking I would say replace ceruledge taunt for protect and run taunt whims over I bundle

[foggy lodge]

Icy wind in Bundle helps too

[wide lark]

Zama could run wide>protect if they want to try with that

[foggy lodge]

Is iron defense or wg

You 100% need protect on Zama

Positioning is one of the most important things with Zama

[still ridge]

most of the time for zama if wide guard is bad I can usually pivot into ceruledge and he's immune to 2 of his weaknesses

[foggy lodge]

Unlike something like Miraidon or CSR specs that can drop protect because the goal is just deleting things

[wide lark]

Thats sacrificing the +1 though.

[foggy lodge]

And those teams still have tools for positioning like Farigiraf, redirection, etc

[wide lark]

The main thing with zama is that when everything hits he basically wins when he hits the field with +1 def

[foggy lodge]

mhm

Zama should most of the times just be a wincon with the +1

sometimes you will be forced to switch it out but switching Zama is usually more detrimental than helpful

[wide lark]

Zacian used to be the same, but incineroar nukes zacian's attack stat, and no one wants to run HOMB for clear amu

[foggy lodge]

If you go iron defense you can switch it out more easily

As you can get the boosts back

[still ridge]

I linked the team above, it's wide guard + iron def

[foggy lodge]

but

xd

[wide lark]

Question abt the latias

Why drain kiss and not alluring voice

[left bobcat]

Who they think they talbing talking about us

SHOOO SHOOOO

So anyways

[still ridge]

draining kiss is enough to ohko un-tera'd koraidon and urshi dark and the healing is relevant when using calm mind

[left bobcat]

Wait iron bundle on Zama

Finally

[wide lark]

Alluring voice has higher base power, and if you're fighting zama can confuse on the switch in

[still ridge]

ceruledge walls zama

[left bobcat]

Hmmm

Interesting

[wide lark]

But I can see where youre coming from with the choice

Wait does drain kiss ohko waterbear?

Or just darkbear?

[still ridge]

no, but mist ball does

that's why i run both

[wide lark]

Fair

[still ridge]

latias outspeeds both too so unless they're scarf it hard counters urshi

also latias resists surging and close combat so can pivot into urshi-rapid easily

[wide lark]

Sash will also hit back very hard

[still ridge]

I try to double up with a priority move like fake out on rilla or shadow sneak on ceruledge

to avoid sash shenanigans

honestly the main reason I was TRYING iron bundle is because it has 1 speed over miraidon and koraidon but those are my worst matchups still

[mint void]

@still ridge fr just run Icy Wind or EWeb

It improves the MU since it either forces them to pivot or allows your latias or lando to move before them

[bold geode]

Nah dumb idea

[wide lark]

Considering your main answers to mirai and korai are slower than them, run ibundle with icy wind.

If you wanna be really funny, and make scarfgore suffer, you can run eweb sash regieleki over bundle too

[still ridge]

again, I want to get rid of bundle

[mint void]

They often lead Rideon and a TW setter though. In these cases you are cucked with that strat and youll need a different approach which encore gives you

[still ridge]

tried 3 seperate builds for him and they all underperform

[wide lark]

tera ground dachsbun

[mint void]

Eleki

[wide lark]

[still ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/creativity-okay-thats-it-thats-right-gif-18978510

[wide lark]

Its a genuine answer to both bike legendaries in singles

Not for doubles sadly

[still ridge]

That reminds me, accidentally joined a singles battle earlier with my doubles team and still won

[wide lark]

There is another choice... but its super niche and most likely wont work if the enemy tailwinds

or if they tera

[bold geode]

Maybe cuz Bundle bad
Anyways can I get a paste good person

[mint void]

?

[wide lark]

@bold geode

[still ridge]

https://pokepast.es/d868b8c88b720dd4

[wide lark]

Dual screens special attacker dpult nyehehe

[bold geode]

Ok this gonna take a minute

[wide lark]

One eternity later

[still ridge]

To re-iterate what we've been discussing, most of the team has been performing fine, it's mostly bundle that's underperforming, we've discussed speed control and taunting for redirectors.

[wide lark]

And more protect

[still ridge]

And they dont like my wide guard 😢

[bold geode]

How has that been performing fine?

[bold geode]

That ......
Is not that good tbh

Or idk

[wide lark]

From the actual teamsheet, it looks like your plan would be to sweep whatever enemy you were fighting before they could set up

[bold geode]

There's just a lot wrong lol

[wide lark]

But that doesnt work against mirai and korai, or calyshadow for the most part

Which is probably why youre struggling

[still ridge]

pretty much lol

[next stump]

is this closed teamsheet best of 1?

[still ridge]

yeah lol, I don't play tournaments or anything just trying to improve my team for cartridge later xD

[wide lark]

Also I just wanna note right here... 2 of your worst matchups, including your actual worst one are tailwind users

[bold geode]

Ah
So you've probably won off of CTS surprise

Dillon imma let you take thiss

[humble cedar]

the fact that ur bundle isn't icy wind

makes me sad

also most lando-i are tera poisin

so u can take out tera blast and put in protect

[bold geode]

But it's Scarf

[wide lark]

Does lando usually run u turn btw I saw that and wanted to say to put smth else in there

[bold geode]

Ghost Tera Blast is probably fine

[still ridge]

The idea is scarf to outspeed caly-s

[humble cedar]

is it

I can't believe it's not life orb 😔

but latias is orb

wtf

the sets are kinda wonky but with better moves and items it might be a bit better

[bold geode]

Landorus I runs Scarf quite a bit now

[charred saddle]

think ghost is te more usual one

to avoid FO since its scarfed to outspeed mirai

[wide lark]

Yeah scarf lando is super fast and hits rly hard with a lot of different types

[humble cedar]

in 2024 they were usually orb

[bold geode]

But that Latias is kinda weird so

[charred saddle]

WHAT REG

[humble cedar]

I was not aware of that development

[humble cedar]

f and g

[bold geode]

In Reg G they went Scarf too

[charred saddle]

F ofc.

[wide lark]

Thats usually for rain where they were sitting next to things like torn I

[bold geode]

Scarf Lando I was on the finalist team for Worlds

[humble cedar]

yeah i ran torn Lando

in reg g

[wide lark]

Theyre not rain so scarf makes more sense imo

And they lack speed control too

[humble cedar]

either way def need icy wind on bundle

that will make it so much more useful

[bold geode]

Bundle just needs to go

[still ridge]

I want him gone

everyone keeps saying to just give him icy wind lol

[bold geode]

Honestly this team needs to go
Just from scratch lol

[wide lark]

give in to the voices, bring the whimsical cotton

[charred saddle]

monke look at this

did scarf lando first

[humble cedar]

I feel like my current team would get annihilated by you guys 😂

my iron leaves abomination

[bold geode]

[bold geode]

All imma say
Don't

[wide lark]

My in game team rn is pretty tame tbf, but I did get masters the same day the format changed

[humble cedar]

I did :)

[still ridge]

I mean I'm pretty sure everyone got master on day 1 if they were last season and they were playing xD

[humble cedar]

its fun for me to try to perfect an off meta team

and keep honing it in to cover for bad matchups

I need speed control badly tho

my miraidon is scarf so I can outspeed calyS but I need something for the tailwind MU

[wide lark]

Yeah, it was a bit more difficult than it needed to be for me because I didnt realise when I started that there was a just a better team member I needed to succeed.

You'll never guess who it was

[still ridge]

Was it encore flower?

[humble cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/incineroar-default-dance-jerb-q-gif-24304326

[still ridge]

oh lol

[wide lark]

Encore no

[humble cedar]

oh

[still ridge]

Thought you were going whimsicot xD

[wide lark]

But it was whims

[humble cedar]

I might add whims or torn for tailwind

[next stump]

https://tenor.com/view/farigiraf-pokemon-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-giraffe-girafarig-gif-26879243

[humble cedar]

problem with torn is that it's weak to parabolic charge, and whims kinda gets railed by all the stuff that's good into miraidon

[wide lark]

This is the team

[still ridge]

maybe I could try the giraffe, immune to barrage and has the speed control

or indeedee for another anti-miradon terrain tool

[humble cedar]

wait I could run icy wind flutter mane

guys that's it

oh my lanta

[wide lark]

You would still get outsped no?

[humble cedar]

my miraidon is scarf so it's faster than most things that aren't also scarf

[wide lark]

I mean in tailwind interactions

[humble cedar]

I EVd it to outspeed max speed ursaluna bloodmoon in tailwind

[wide lark]

Tailwind is x2 speed
Speed -1 is x0.65

Or was it .67

I just know it isnt neutral

[humble cedar]

which means it would be x1.33 after icy wind

or something like that

[wide lark]

Pretty much

[humble cedar]

so I think I can still outspeed everything but calySz

as long as i hit icy wind

plus my miraidon is max hp so it can take some hits and heal back the damage while I get speed back under control

[left bobcat]

Ooooo weee

[next stump]

finally a store within an hour of me is hosting locals 🙏

[left bobcat]

Dawg

[humble cedar]

guys is grass and dragon a good typing? I feel like ppl say hydrapple is good so grass dragon must be good but hydrapple has insane stats and a goated ability sooooo

oh and it has some broken ahh moves

[molten oasis]

No

It’s stats are solid, it’s moves are fine, it’s typing defensively sucks

[tiny karma]

- [Grass/Dragon]

Resists (0.25x)

Electric, Grass, Water

Resists (0.5x)

Ground

Neutral damage

Dark, Fighting, Fire, Ghost, Normal, Psychic, Rock, Steel, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Bug, Dragon, Fairy, Flying, Poison

Weak (4x)

Ice

Type Notes

Grass-types are immune to Powder-based Moves.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[molten oasis]

4 weaknesses to common things, can kinda suck

[rustic mountain]

im glad giraffe won worlds

[molten oasis]

Giraffe

[rustic mountain]

its not even just 4x weakness its lackluster speed, but also not a good tr sweeper and even w/ good support moves doesnt necessarily fit into any niche that gives it stability

[molten oasis]

yup

[rustic mountain]

like lando has 4x weakness and look how good its been

maybe less for sv but in general

[molten oasis]

Even then

Tera didn’t do much for it cuz it doesn’t do enough to warrant using it

Just not a good Mon unfortunately

[rustic mountain]

prolly decent in singles if i were to guess but yea for vgc its not it

[craggy dagger]

hydrapple

[rustic mountain]

if even u are making that face for hydrapple its truly joever for it

[left bobcat]

That typing is ass

Icy winds will hurt like a mf

No stab for hitting steel types

[humble cedar]

that's exactly what I was saying to him

he didn't believe me :(

"ice coverage isn't common in singles or doubles"

and he also sId that dragon and poisin was a good typing

like no tf it's not

[left bobcat]

It’s a decent typing

[humble cedar]

he was arguing that it was as good as dragon fire or dragon steel

simply because it's neutral to fairy

[left bobcat]

Dragon fire is pretty good

There’s only 3 weaknesses

[humble cedar]

yea it's really good

but he was saying that dragon poisin is comparable

[craggy dagger]

is that a challenge

[humble cedar]

when u get hard walled by the first steel type you see

[left bobcat]

It’s got a good signature

What a waste

[craggy dagger]

not the icy wind

[molten oasis]

Don’t do it

[craggy dagger]

also
defensively
dragon poison is actually really good

just like how fairy steel is really good defensively (and offensively but that’s not the point)

[left bobcat]

Let’s see for poison dragon that would be-

4 weaknesses

[tiny karma]

- [Dragon/Poison]

Resists (0.25x)

Grass

Resists (0.5x)

Bug, Electric, Fighting, Fire, Poison, Water

Neutral damage

Dark, Fairy, Flying, Ghost, Normal, Rock, Steel, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Dragon, Ground, Ice, Psychic

Type Notes

Poison-types cannot be Poisoned.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[left bobcat]

Eh but steel dragon is better

You got like 8 resistances

And 1 immunity

[wide lark]

My favourite dragon dual type is dragon fire

[left bobcat]

And only 2 weaknesses