competitive_discussion

[chrome knot]

they buff it in the dlc throughout numerous key like progression checkpoints

[next stump]

RIP

[bold geode]

Emma I lost so many times with the turtle and won cuz like
My brain legit shut off while using it LMAO

[foggy lodge]

Top 350 in bo3 let's goo

[next stump]

popping off, nice

if you can do that, you can easily do well at your local scene

[foggy lodge]

Yesss

There is a local tomorrow but is reg H and i don't even have a team for that so RIP

But i'll try to find some

[chrome knot]

@foggy lodge want the a9 volc team ..?

[foggy lodge]

I don't think i can even register anymore for the local

But thanks for wanting to help anyways!!

[chrome knot]

what

you register like day of when u walk in lol

[left bobcat]

Bro think he’s carti

[next stump]

mine are usually pre-register

unless it's empty

[chrome knot]

ive only pre regged for one local but thats bc it was a 48player one

[next stump]

yoooo how do you even find this rayquaza raid

it wont generate on my map despite connecting to the internet and checking the poke news

[bold geode]

That's still going on?

[next stump]

yeah, but i just found one finally

didnt realize it was a regular 5 star

[bold geode]

Ah

[craggy dagger]

doesn’t it go till like the 6th?

[spiral ridge]

Yup

[craggy dagger]

5th-

[spiral ridge]

Oh

Why do I keep thinking Sunday is the 6th

[craggy dagger]

isn’t that when you go back to school

[spiral ridge]

yeah

😭

i lost time perception over break

especially cus my sleep and days got so fucked up

[next stump]

returning from winter break is always tough af

almost worse than summer for me

[spiral ridge]

im gonna be returning in a crutch :)

[next stump]

cause at least over summer i get kinda bored

[spiral ridge]

i kinda dont want this break over cus feels i wasted it

[bold geode]

🤷‍♂️

Hai bestie

[left bobcat]

Woooo

I’m not ready

[craggy dagger]

hai

[shadow wind]

Anyone else here in the Spear pillar tour?

[drowsy comet]

any tips on how to finish this team?

garlic ICE (Calyrex-Ice) @ Clear Amulet
Ability: As One (Glastrier)
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe

• Glacial Lance
• Protect
• Trick Room
• High Horsepower

Zapdos-Galar @ Iron Ball
Ability: Defiant
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Fighting
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe

• Coaching
• Brave Bird
• Close Combat
• Helping Hand

Indeedee-F @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Psychic Surge
Level: 50
Tera Type: Psychic
EVs: 248 HP / 8 SpA / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Trick Room
• Dazzling Gleam
• Follow Me
• Helping Hand

Pelipper @ Focus Sash
Ability: Drizzle
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Hurricane
• Weather Ball
• Wide Guard
• Protect

Flutter Mane @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Dazzling Gleam
• Moonblast
• Taunt
• Shadow Ball

and im not removing gapdos

[craggy dagger]

maybe not iron ball then

how slow does gapdos even get with iron ball negative speed nature

[drowsy comet]

47 speed

just barely slower than calyice in trick room allowing for cheeky strats

[chrome knot]

im elo thief :3

[next stump]

scarf urshifu-rapid strike

so you have something to go alongside pelipper for a fast mode

i personally think that flutter set is kinda useless but if you wanna use it then go for it

[foggy lodge]

I don't think Caly needs 252+

Also the evs are wrong you have 4 points left on Caly

[real prairie]

Anyone want a couple reg G practice battles on cart?

[foggy lodge]

I would

But i don't have online

🫠

[real prairie]

What region are you in?

[foggy lodge]

Latam

[drowsy comet]

very surpisng, but the flutter has saved me so many times

[real prairie]

So would it be a US code?

[foggy lodge]

i guess

But don't worry im buying it anyways like next week probably

its not a priority for me rn

[drowsy comet]

best incin ev spread?

[lofty tartan]

Jolly max speed. 😄

[real prairie]

Cool beans, will play you next week then

[foggy lodge]

Sure💪

[real prairie]

I play 252hp 100atk 152def

Survives a 252atk surging strikes outside of rain

[lofty tartan]

Nah max hp max speed. Turbo incin is a beast and seldom planned for 😄

[real prairie]

I could actually see that working really well on my team if he wasn't my only TR mon 🤣

[lofty tartan]

(half joking, though I absolutely jam turbo Incin in Reg G)

[craggy dagger]

thats so true-

[real prairie]

I was running AV bruiser Incin during Reg G. Hit like a truck

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/SoulSurVGC/status/1874954809356480670

Jeudy ➡️ Pokemon Pocket (@SoulSurVGC) on X

Urshifu: "I can't wait to catch this terapagos offguard and OHKO it"

The ever protective Rillaboom and Incinerorar:

Twitter · Jan 2, 2025, 11:03 PM

[real prairie]

Can urshu even one shot Terapagos with its ability?

[next stump]

not without stellar if i remember correctly

(assuming you mean the increased HP and not tera shell)

[chrome knot]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2275025879-as6e156wodrb8n8erkbjtkpz22pv37wpw

me when i choke so hard i explode

[spiral ridge]

you still won silly

[vernal shadow]

Ik gardevoir isn't really competitively viable and I've never made a comp team before but I have an understanding of EV spreads and what roles a Pokémon can take.

What sort of support should I run with gardevoir and is it possible to aim for mastery ball with it ? I want to give it a shot. I've seen a trick room setter set and also a special attacker but it's spA doesn't seem to keep up tbh. I do like the calm mind idea but it's too physically frail for that unless I maybe run something with follow me ?

Id like the same with charizard but I have more ideas on that with torkol and solar power

[next stump]

are you looking to play single or double battles? it sounds like double

[vernal shadow]

I've preferred singles in the past but I'm feeling doubles has a lot more to it so imma aim for that

Plus I can try protecting gardevoir with follow me that way. Don't see her working in singles without mega

Not fast enough and frail

[foggy lodge]

just in case you don't know the reg H ladder is getting replaced with reg G ladder tomorrow

So it changes a lot how to build the team xd

[vernal shadow]

Well rip lol

More or less power added ?

[foggy lodge]

A lot

Check the ruleset

[vernal shadow]

On it

1 restricted might not kill gardevoir off. Think I'm looking at the right thing

Some scary stuff there tho

One Pokémon I have set up that I could use is my suicune. Built it for bulk with substitute, protect, calm mind and scald with left overs. Altho I don't see that helping much with the team.

I am a complete novice. Played some showdown ages ago but have only really put sets on random Pokémon that don't really work together

[next stump]

what pokemon are you absolutely dead set on having on the team

you can reach master ball tier in the game with an imperfect team as long as you really understand your team and how it plays into the “meta” teams

[vernal shadow]

Deadset on gardevoir for my first try and I do want to collect ribbons on zard so I'll be using torkol and zard for that one.
Focus on gardevoir for this bc I haven't a clue on how to make it work. It's frail and it's speed is awkward

[foggy lodge]

You need a restricted in fist place

Atleast a restricted + gardevoir core to work with

[vernal shadow]

I have a full offence palkia but I doubt that'd be helpful. What would be a good pairing for it ?

[foggy lodge]

Probably Calyrex Shadow

[vernal shadow]

Palkia to my understanding isn't worth the restricted slot

[next stump]

yeah, you’re going to want to probably pair up with something like calyrex shadow or even necrozma dawn wings on a trick room style team

could also swing calyrex ice rider

[vernal shadow]

I think I only have shadow atm from swsh

My cylarex is maxed in speed but imma have to have a slow one won't I for a trick room. Is gardevoir slow enough for trick room tho ? Or would it be the setter ?

Like some have a speed of 20 with gardevoir at 80. It seems hella awkward

I'm not familiar with speed stats tho. Ik some common ones like fluttermane are 126 or so

[next stump]

trick room teams are usually (not always) functional in and out of trick room

[vernal shadow]

To swap up depending on match up ?

[next stump]

so you’d have calyrex shadow to hit outside of trick room, and maybe something like ursaluna or another strong sweeper inside of trick room

[vernal shadow]

BM or regular ursaluna ?

[next stump]

probably regular, i think it’s stronger ATM

[vernal shadow]

Imma have to go and hunt one then.

So we looking at
Cylarex S - max spe and spA
Gardevoir - trick setter ?
Ursaluna- slow sweeper

Don't like cylarex much but honestly like the picks so far. Ik gardevoir isn't bulky but is it safe to swap into anything much or not really in terms of special attacks ? I've used it in bdsp battle tower and have an idea there but it's a different thing fighting AI and also fighting a different gen of Pokémon

Would bulky sub suicune work here or maybe a pivot of some kind like incineror or something ?
Or something with follow me like clefable or magmar ?

[next stump]

the unfortunate reality of it is that gardevoir will be nothing more than a supportive piece in a regulation as strong as this one

throw a focus sash on it and let it get at least two moves off and try to enable its partners and further your win condition

in a few minutes when i’m on my PC ill search for gardevoir teams from tournaments to see what people have built around it

[vernal shadow]

That would be amazing Ty. I do get it. Unlike zard, it doesn't really have a backup plan. It doesn't have as easy a time buffing itself up and it's not got any bulk. On top of that it's in a weird speed group where it's below average but not slow for trick room. Kinda sad.

[gentle crag]

seamagician703 has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[mint void]

https://youtu.be/oY_Vvut856I?si=X1b4estUdirO9jfn

[atomic portal]

telepathy w garchomp and toxtricity come to mind during reg a lol

@vernal shadow

[next stump]

LOL wow it's tough when the best showing gardevoir has had this regulation was 4-4

https://pokepast.es/efda5313f37137e5

https://pokepast.es/92fe954491f82982

either of these teams could probably get you to master ball tier with enough practice

especially the one with miraidon

[vernal shadow]

The one Mon I don't have 😑
Living Dex bar that. May have to start violet

[vernal shadow]

What was that format like ? Less power ?

[next stump]

@polar nest we are playing against eachother rn lol

gg

[polar nest]

Wait I beat u

o wait no

that was the last game

before that

yea gg I lost really bad

[lofty tartan]

Dillon taking lives with prejudice

[next stump]

that regidrago set is really really useless

[lofty tartan]

What set

[polar nest]

help please?

[mighty stump]

Are yall playing in some limitless tour

[polar nest]

its from a CybertonVGC vid but i modified it a tiny bit

putting it back

[mighty stump]

What was the set

[polar nest]

i just changed some evs so it can survive a chi yu dark pulse

and the item from lorb to lefties

but im changing it back to lorb

[left bobcat]

What…no DUDEEEEAH

[polar nest]

?

[left bobcat]

Oops wrong chat

[mighty stump]

Not really an appropriate reaction lol

[mighty stump]

Ensure that your EVs are enhancing what a Pokemon’s role is. Bulk for the sake of bulk can be detrimenta

Rule of thumb

[polar nest]

ok

[mighty stump]

Additionally any alteration/changes/decisions to a set has to have meaning

What reason would Regidrago need to live Dark Pulse from Chi Yu

Its an odd calc to consider

[polar nest]

yea

ur right

[left bobcat]

Regidrago is as ass anyways

[foggy lodge]

this is what Agati used on ladder

But he made some changes

[mighty stump]

Could you please refrain from having incredibly meaningless input

[foggy lodge]

And now he is using Scarf rapid shifu on the shifu slot and Chien-Pao in the Iron Treads slot

[mighty stump]

Like every time I see you here

[polar nest]

nuh uh

[mighty stump]

When there is an active opportunity/discussion

[left bobcat]

Very well

Truth hurts anyways

🏃🏽💨

[chrome knot]

@mighty stump im near 1500 which means im actually playing the ladder r u proud of me

[mighty stump]

Yes

[chrome knot]

my play acc feels kinda good

id be high ladder elo but i legit get on, win 3 times, get off

[mighty stump]

I honestly just park random alts throughout ladder and my main never climbs LOL

I just use my main for stuff like leagues

[chrome knot]

idk i like playing in small bursts

[mighty stump]

Its more sustainable that way tbh

Lower number, higher quality games and all the time to just nitpick it and enjoy life LOL

I still haven’t played much just because Im focused on other aspects of my life rn

[timber falcon]

What play should I make in a risky situation?

For example they could attack one of my two mons, I keep losing by guessing the wrong one that they’ll attack

Is it just 50/50 or am I not processing the risks well enough

[chrome knot]

ehehe yeah i cooked somebody who had a vgc related custom avatar went yeah i think i checked all my boxes for nowww

when i lose i go watch replay instantly and just break it down

its nice to do in moderation

especially when it feels like good pacing for the regional thats still 2 months away

[timber falcon]

Oh I forgot about saving replayed completely

I’ll start doing that and reviewing, thanks for the advice

[mighty stump]

Observe player tendency and how the opposition is playing. Obv harder in Bo1 acute situations but yeah. I do subscribe to the “theres no true 50/50” idea.

In a risky scenario - one that gives you the best chance of winning soon

Lol

[mighty stump]

I’m building up my wardrobe c:

Fancy jewellery and high quality clothes - buy once and forever

Perfumes too

[chrome knot]

oooooo

i got new meds today

[mighty stump]

Do you wanna see one of the rings im getting

[chrome knot]

we both stay winning asf

[foggy lodge]

i should make better vod review or analysis in general

[chrome knot]

YES ofc

[foggy lodge]

I feel like sometimes i just pick 4 mons and play without analyzing too much

[chrome knot]

damnnnn

[mighty stump]

It’s always helpful to be deliberate with every decision starting from builder to in-game

I feel you cannot do anything in Pokemon “just because”

[mighty stump]

and look at this bracelet

[chrome knot]

woaaaa

[mighty stump]

Peacock pearls

[shadow wind]

God dang powercreep is real

I hate terapagos

[mighty stump]

goated mon

[shadow wind]

Too goated

What even is 160/110/110 bulk

[molten oasis]

Lots of. Pagos

[chrome knot]

imma jus click glacial lance

[molten oasis]

And I played Kyurem for the day, major mistake

[mighty stump]

I have a bad ideas

[shadow wind]

Have you ever contributed to a conversation?

[mighty stump]

I can answer for her: yea

[shadow wind]

Oh ok just checking

[chrome knot]

yeah

[mighty stump]

Off topic stuff is completely fine: just not during active discussion. Additionally trolly replies are discouraged because you can confuse new players who are seeking proper advice

I dont care what people do as long as there isn’t a competitively relevant topic being discussed at length

One offs are fine as well

But if there is a pattern of consistent behaviour

Its also offputting

[chrome knot]

tofu it is time to take the 100mg orbee

[mighty stump]

Yes

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/1587af95a51ef56b hey tofu wdyt of this? I’ve played it for a while it feels solid

[mighty stump]

Seems pretty good, only funny matchup I can say MIGHT be Koraidon lmao

and Scarf Miraidon

[chrome knot]

@shadow wind whatever freaky breed of Groudon that uses gouging fire is acc goated rn

[mighty stump]

I would say if CIR gets TR up you might be tricky

[chrome knot]

i had to practice the mu i felt dumb as a rock lmao

[mighty stump]

Roaring Moon seems to be flavour of the week right now

[shadow wind]

I love Gouging fire but I got Entei on the team right now instead

[chrome knot]

roaring moon/cir hit the ladder at somepoint

[molten oasis]

Alr, ty

[gentle crag]

drayagedrago has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[mighty stump]

Now I feel less inclined to play RM

Lmao

[molten oasis]

I’ll learn how to handle it

[chrome knot]

with like hearthflame & common glue stuff

[shadow wind]

Gouging fire puts too much on Groudon to hit his pblades

[molten oasis]

Cuz I think there’s very little room to change members

[mighty stump]

Pretty much - with Reg G the team can only go so far

Piloting time

[shadow wind]

From my experience anyway

[chrome knot]

i think flare blitz breaking swipe howl is underappreciated rn

[shadow wind]

I do miss breaking swipe

[chrome knot]

goating fire is reliving his reg F days rn somehow

[shadow wind]

And snarl

But that's moreso for OTS

[mint void]

Is Reg H still on cart?

Cause if Im gonna grind a bit before reg G

[shadow wind]

Cause I hate sneaky covert cloaks

[shadow wind]

Ye

[mint void]

Almost done with my team. Only miss Regileki

[chrome knot]

nah u go blitz breaking swipe howl bulwark @ cloak or charcoal

kinda god set

[shadow wind]

Bulwark

I never used bulwark

[mighty stump]

Id just opt for Protect tbh

[chrome knot]

protect that burns if contact move but status go through

[shadow wind]

Maybe I'll revisit Gouging

[mighty stump]

Depends on the MU

[shadow wind]

Ye ye I know what it is

[chrome knot]

amoonguss is dying atm so i dont see why not

[shadow wind]

Lowkey protect sometimes does the job better

[chrome knot]

free added layer to fake out games

[shadow wind]

For Rilla

Not so much Incin

[chrome knot]

rilla would be more annoying for u anyways

[shadow wind]

Maybe I'll cook up somethin

I did have a Gouging Fire team that did well

[mighty stump]

Rilla doesn’t wanna be in front of Gouging though

Same Amoonguss logic

[shadow wind]

Yeah

That's what I was thinking

Like he don't wanna be there anyway

[next stump]

love me some amogus

[chrome knot]

ngl rilla is a bring for me in that mu

[gentle crag]

setsumizi has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[shadow wind]

Yknow what MU it was really really good for?

The worlds team

[chrome knot]

i love me some free +1 attack

[shadow wind]

Quad resisting Grass and Fire is unbelievably nice

https://pokepast.es/b3514bd0c1aede50

This was the team

[molten oasis]

I wish gouging was better, howl Zac would have been fun but incin exists

[shadow wind]

If Gouging fire got will o wisp

Literally every single MU solved

[near crag]

@molten oasis aye man, can you send that roaring moon zacian team of yours?

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/1587af95a51ef56b

[dense latch]

https://pokepast.es/f9457612ed4fdc1f any ideas for a sixth here? we’ve tried iron jugulis, chi yu and roaring moon but haven’t settled with any yet - a dark type fits most of what’s left to cover so i’ve been specifically trying those out

[mighty stump]

Incineroar

Lmao

[near crag]

If you want an offensive dark type, maybe kingambit

Goes well with caly ice, plus fits the speed tier of the team

[next stump]

have you tried farigiraf

[dense latch]

oh yea we tried incin for a bit

[next stump]

that would be basically my NAIC team

[mighty stump]

Farig works too

Foul Play gives you dark offensive coverage

Plus helps in the mirror

If CSR is the main concern

[shadow wind]

24th/136 is not awful I guess

[mighty stump]

The Normal-typing is better

[dense latch]

yea my friend and i built this team after trying navjit’s team, farig might be nice

but at that point why not just use navjit’s team

[mighty stump]

🤷‍♂️ Innovation can occur through the smallest of changes

Variations of the same team exist - differences in items, movesets, EVs all alter your matchups

Doing something new doesn’t mean it has to be obvious

[near crag]

Just two things I’m wondering: why Tera stellar tb, instead of sd or sacred, and what are the thoughts on urshifu’s whole set? The evs, cloak, and taunt are pretty unusual… wonder if its surprise factor for ladder, or if it has a deeper purpose. Pretty cool team btw

[chrome knot]

goot job

spear pillar tour ?

[near crag]

The difference between rajan bal’s team and the team that won worlds is minimal, too. Just adapting for switching incin for hands, in a way

[mighty stump]

Well I’d consider a mon swap more than minimal but it is a simple change.

[molten oasis]

Cloak taunt shifu is how you stop incin CIR leads

Otherwise once tr goes up the mu gets significantly harder

Stellar zacian gives it a reliable stab that punishes other Tera’s. It’s typing is already really good so it doesn’t really need to change its Tera

Plus stellar Tera blast is a really solid pressure option

[mighty stump]

Told you so

Seems like a fun team

[molten oasis]

Almost beat monke with it but messed up the g3 lead

[mighty stump]

Good job Drago

You did it

[molten oasis]

[real prairie]

I meant tera shell

[molten oasis]

Time to not change the team for a while and get comfortable with it

Cuz I need to do that with a team

[near crag]

Why not Tera fairy tho? And how bout the evs for shifu?

[shadow wind]

Yeah

Every single game I lost was because I overthought it

[molten oasis]

Also yea you were right about stellar it’s so funny to get people that Tera

[molten oasis]

Shifu lives 252+ modest thunderclap

[shadow wind]

I didn't realize how hard of a time Terapagos gave me

[molten oasis]

Fairy means you rely on play rough

Play rough can miss

Pure fairy is ok, ik stellars weird but it’s good trust me

[next stump]

terapagos is super strong right now it feels like

[molten oasis]

It’s also fun

[mighty stump]

Just to open up on what Drago said:
Due to Zacian’s reliable typing, high offensive prowess, and necessity to constantly chip to keep up or maintain tempo in a game, Tera Stellar Blast lets you output consistent punish pressure as neutrals while giving potential one-off nukes to your other two moveslots

You cannot do that with any other move or tera type

Its EXACTLY why Terapagos is so good

The concept is just transitioned here

Zacian as people say is a very honest Pokemon

[molten oasis]

Zac being at neutral is also usually fine but it’s important to position it

With its boost

[mighty stump]

So you just lean into its strengths and have a bit of dishonesty

[mighty stump]

Exactly

Concepts, people, concepts

[mighty stump]

I’m memeing with Terapagos/Sinistcha

[near crag]

I get the offense gets really better, but you lose a lot of staying power, cuz you can’t live a strong ground or fire type now, and need to switch out. (Btw, I’m just discussing so much cuz it’s pretty much the same to a team of mine, and I’d love to improve it to its very best form)

[mighty stump]

You don’t want staying power? You want to win the moment Zacian enters the game

[near crag]

I kinda insta lost if I gotta switch the dog out

[mighty stump]

The relevant “strong ground” types we have get deleted by the other mons or a well-time Stellar Blast as well. The rest of the team is built around that

[mighty stump]

Thats positioning

And hence I’m repeating my point - once Zacian enters you have a method to swing the game in your favour or output consistent pressure to maintain Tempo

Swords Dance does the same thing sxcept youre not outputting damage in a turn

Stellar Blast adds a potential punish tool same way a +3 Zacian would

You can’t play a good Zacian if you can’t recognise favourable/ideal positions

Plus, it doesn’t have to be the sweeper

As long as you win, you win

Doesn’t matter with what

[near crag]

Now that I think of it, torn would also help with it, cuz rain wind + shifu mitigate the weaknesses of stellar Tera here

[mighty stump]

People always want their restricted to be the star which sometimes causes tunnel vision

[near crag]

Only issue is I lose cc on shifu

[mighty stump]

Again, it’s positioning. Additionally it would also be player preference and matchup considerations

[near crag]

That’s actually really true, it shouldn’t limit team building as much as it could help

[near crag]

Would this be worth it?

[mighty stump]

That’s up to you to decide really

[near crag]

Cuz that’s the approach I’ve gone with, and if I can protect Zac, it should ohko caly ice, right?

[mighty stump]

If you can deny TR you’re favoured

Plus Zacian forces Tera out of CIR easily

= Tera Stellar Blast comes in handy

[near crag]

Is there a way incin and caly ice can beat torn and Zac? Bc I can turn one protect, and taunt. Turn two rain, Tera stellar tb. Bc he doesn’t rly wanna switch out too, nothing rly tanks a behemoth blade so easy

[mighty stump]

I mean the gameplan from Drago’s end is to lead Urshifu and click Taunt without having a mon be threatened by Glacial Lance

[near crag]

I know it’s better for this, but rain dance, taunt, and tw, are too useful for the team as a whole. Maybe there is another better option here I’m missing

This would be insanely hard to play in open team sheets

[molten oasis]

Yk what moon does better than torn?

It’s annoying asf for physical attackers like groudon and koraidon who can give zac some issues

[chrome knot]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2275132866-97f43mq3kwgmttzrms8yia0knqnpimfpw

[molten oasis]

Not prio tailwind is great to stagger

[chrome knot]

@mighty stump 1500 (!!) :3

[next stump]

im happy as the CIR player seeing that lead

you just click glacial lance and switch incin out

[molten oasis]

And knock off is a great pressure into CSR

if they Tera zacian has a free kill

Which works on moon over pao cuz moon takes like 3 or 4 astral barrages and is faster than it

Try out the team how it is before making changes

[near crag]

That’s not it, I’m mainly tryna see other approaches on similar teams

[molten oasis]

You want torn go play Kians team

It’s rilla shifu Zac pao torn and umbreon

That team is also really solid

Grant’s team is also really good

https://pokepast.es/6748e7ae0af80ffa Kian’s

I don’t have anything from grant

[molten oasis]

What are you looking for?

[near crag]

What do you mean? Like the team I’m currently using?

[near crag]

If that's what you mean, here's where I'm at: https://pokepast.es/6ef22f8f29d00d35

[molten oasis]

How do you handle CIR?

[molten oasis]

What are you looking for from zacian and its partners

[near crag]

That's an issue, I don't

[molten oasis]

If you had peli

I can see dnite being ok, I don’t like dnite here

[near crag]

More so about synergy with pao, some surprise KOs, copium, and coverage

He was the starting point, really. Priority is nice, and it helps with the csr matchup, being immune to barrage after Tera, and threatening any low hp/frail mons

[near crag]

I could switch torn for peli, but the item would need to be kinda bad, I think

Although I agree that he’s really nice here

[molten oasis]

Have you tested entei

I only don’t play peli cuz slow tailwind fucking sucks

[near crag]

Thought about it, but it loses out on a lot, and the urshifu matchup is just foul

[near crag]

What do you suggest for speed control, than?

Cuz I can’t be fully deleted by flutter

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/e23571c19c325b90 any thoughts for this team? Im conflicted on wheather i should swap moongus for ogerpon or a more relaible redirector

[molten oasis]

Dnite and Zac can handle shifu ok

And peli if you add that

[molten oasis]

Your options are torn moon or peli

If you go peli you want priority

Espeed fake out grassy glide etc

https://pokepast.es/39088b41b4c6ae30 try this @near crag

[near crag]

Did you do this?

[molten oasis]

No this is a Japanese team

[near crag]

Did it do any well?

[molten oasis]

Yes

Try it out before you change anything

The sets threw me off as well

[near crag]

Im lowkey in love with this team, but do I not get deleted by cir?

[timber falcon]

pelliper is probs the answer to that

though i gotta agree to some extent, hard tr looks really bad for that team

[near crag]

But then tr goes up

[near crag]

Hey. Thanks man, been bothering you about a dog, a sword, a horse, and ice for way too long

[gentle crag]

kuklcan has given 1 Gen Rep to drayagedrago

[shadow wind]

Man I'm experiencing the Bo3 ladder for the first time

And wow I feel like I just don't gain anything

[near crag]

I feel you, man. On bo1 I can just mess around with reshiram, mewtwo, or any dogshit strat, I and I can win

[shadow wind]

It just took me like 20 minutes to do 4 games

1100 elo has never felt more earnt

[next stump]

i can practice against you as the calyrex player

[near crag]

I would absolutely love to do that! I’m not rly able to play rn tho, I’m traveling. Meanwhile I’m gonna do my homework so I don’t get too stomped

Is it cool for you next week?

[timber falcon]

is it ok if i practice my CIR mu against you? I have a game plan for it but not enough ladder run ins to test consistency

[next stump]

hahaha no worries i can’t play now either

just let me know when works for you

[next stump]

yes

[molten oasis]

Peli spams wide guard

Then you win

[crimson isle]

Can anyone help me with my build for my incineroar team I’ll pay you with whatever shiny you want

[molten oasis]

It’s not that easy but it’s a plan

[shadow wind]

Nah, it is that easy

[crimson isle]

Anyone pls 😭

[cobalt tapir]

please be patient

you could also in the meantime search up common builds

[crimson isle]

I tried idk is there a build website ? I’ve searched YouTube the internet can’t find much

[next stump]

munchstats.com

[crimson isle]

I’m also returning player haven’t played sense sun and moon

Thank you

[near crag]

Also labmaus

[molten oasis]

Incin can go on most teams

[mint void]

Dm me. We can do some stuff together

[crimson isle]

Ok Ty

[mint void]

Also working on team a bit still

[near crag]

Also dmd

[mint void]

Bro is refusing to die.
5 turns on field. Dodged a icy wind KO a d lived Tantrum+Freez dry before that

Love the fire duck

[left bobcat]

Our little group

[mint void]

Late season grind went well. 7-2 to finish. Gonna do some more tmrw have no battery left

Idk if playing against a lot of weird stuff makes it easier or harder ngl.
Finally managed to get Kingambit to work every game and playing great in "late game".
I still cant lead for shit so I kinda have to.

[chrome knot]

@mighty stump are u proud of me

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2275187965-xjc73jeoo8e63v87xhgbwx0hpe00021pw

[shadow wind]

I just about asked where their restricted was

[chrome knot]

Amoonguss

[shadow wind]

Also in the tournament earlier I saw 2 people using my team

Was pretty cool

[chrome knot]

i saw someone using my team

[shadow wind]

It's always such a cool feeling

🙏

[bold geode]

Who they playing

[next stump]

blazers

[shadow wind]

Proto defense Raging bolt just clutched 🙏

[bold geode]

Hope Dame fucking cooks em

[chrome knot]

gonna play 7am tourney methinks

[shadow wind]

Oh hey I think I’m in that one

[left bobcat]

Me three

Jk, I just like to feel included 🥹

[torn parrot]

AYYYYY NICE JOB

[mint void]

Which one?

[torn parrot]

Well I’m proud of you Emma Uwu

[chrome knot]

[molten oasis]

Oh nice

[chrome knot]

finally took some time to ladder

wasnt hard just have a hard time hitting play lol

[shadow wind]

Snow point something

[next stump]

https://x.com/vgccorner/status/1875353308245733498?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfszOAZ6w

Brady Smith - VGC Corner (@vgccorner) on X

Regulation G Guide: Rillaboom

In this thread, I will provide the following:
- 1 EV Spread
- Usage Tips

Bookmark this thread for later, let's begin! 🧵🔽

Twitter · Jan 4, 2025, 1:27 AM

[molten oasis]

I saw his Hearthflame spreads

[rustic mountain]

time to speed creep this spread

(didnt even look btw)

[left bobcat]

Man forget Mickey ds

It’s just bk

BURGER KING

[chrome knot]

treetreetree

i actually played ladder

[rustic mountain]

u dont usually?

[molten oasis]

Real

It has no speed lol

[rustic mountain]

perfect

ive been using the same rilla av spread since like

reg d ?

[molten oasis]

lol, you only need 1 ig

[rustic mountain]

theres definitely things i couldve adjusted for the different metas but in general its been really consistent

[molten oasis]

I feel the same, I also don’t use rilla that much

[rustic mountain]

ive also used different rilla spreads since but the main av hasnt changed

[molten oasis]

A lot of the time I just end up playing incin or no fake out

[rustic mountain]

never done an incin/rilla team?

[molten oasis]

No I think double fake out is extremely boring

[rustic mountain]

man ur missing out

[molten oasis]

I’ve played it and it’s consistent which is totally fine

[rustic mountain]

[left bobcat]

Besides Farig and psychic terrain exist

[rustic mountain]

"this wins me games, how boring"

[molten oasis]

It’s not fun to “fake out parting shot/u-turn” repeat

[molten oasis]

You know that’s not what I meant

[left bobcat]

I was thinking more so of fake out parting shot fake out

[left bobcat]

Yeah basically

[molten oasis]

If I was a more super serious vgc player I wouldn’t care

[chrome knot]

nooo not rly i find it hard to just click play

[rustic mountain]

oh i feel that, well thats dope u went ahead and clicked it

[molten oasis]

I’d just use what wins but I don’t play a lot of tournaments so I play what I find fun

[chrome knot]

i hit 1500 thol

[molten oasis]

Which is Zac

[rustic mountain]

pog

bo1 or bo3

[rustic mountain]

as ive stated so many times b4, as long as ur aware of that, its fine in my book

[chrome knot]

bo1

[molten oasis]

Yea I’m aware of my decisions lol

[chrome knot]

but its progress

[rustic mountain]

nice

[molten oasis]

I’m playing stellar blast zacian rn

[left bobcat]

You’re also aware?

[left bobcat]

….

[rustic mountain]

i was more curious doesnt have to be bo3 still nice getting top 500 on ladder. atleast 1500 was top 500 as of a week ago iirc

[molten oasis]

It works

[left bobcat]

Tera stellar I could understand

[molten oasis]

It is Tera stellar

[chrome knot]

yah i t500 nowsies

[left bobcat]

But Tera stellar blast?

[molten oasis]

Yes

Constant offensive pressure

[left bobcat]

Did zacian get contrary or something?

[rustic mountain]

huh

[molten oasis]

Who said it has to be run with contrary

[left bobcat]

That’s like hustling backwards

[molten oasis]

Zacian can use it up to 2 times before it’s -1

And matches are typically short enough where it only needs 1

Sacrificing the ability boost for a ko is value on my end

[rustic mountain]

yea i see the positives of tera stellar, u trade ur defensive tera for more offensive output

[left bobcat]

How the hell do you even deal with the cat

[molten oasis]

Zacian has a great defensive typing as well

[molten oasis]

Shifu and lando

Zacian is all about positioning

[left bobcat]

You know I’m just gonna pretend like I know

But if it works sure why not

[rustic mountain]

i mean idt its the best zacian tera but i think it has its own merit

[molten oasis]

As tofu said earlier when Zac enters the fields it’s there to clean up and win the game

[molten oasis]

It’s not but it’s what I like

[left bobcat]

Zacian winning? I barely see that

[molten oasis]

It top cut worlds

[left bobcat]

I just coach my swordy dog

COACHHHHH

[rustic mountain]

yea its not a troll pick either so i think its fine

[molten oasis]

Coaching while getting intim cycled sounds super fun

Idt coaching works on zacian

[left bobcat]

that’s why I start off with Farig and ursh

[rustic mountain]

i think ur better pushing your resources into other avenues then trying to put all ur eggs in the zacian single target damage basket

[molten oasis]

Yea

[left bobcat]

I’m pretty sure that’s the point

That would be the case for the restricted to be the backbone of the team

[molten oasis]

Especially since zacian can’t really get value out of coaching/howl if incins faking you out and lowering your attack over and over again

[rustic mountain]

its not gna net u much positive trade offs

[molten oasis]

I don’t think your restricted needs to be a backbone of your team

It’s the strongest member sure but it a Mon on the team

You don’t have to bring it to every game you don’t have to rely on it

[rustic mountain]

u have to be aware of ur restricteds strength and zacian doesnt capitalize effectively enough w/ coaching boosts. clam caly ice w/ double target damage makes sense zacian that can constantly be intimidated w/ single target damage is not it

[molten oasis]

You can’t rely on Zac to win a 4v1 like you can with caly (this is partially a joke)

Zac likely doesn’t take all 4ko’s

[left bobcat]

Basically except those 2 can’t even be compared

[molten oasis]

Miraidon is on the same level imo

[left bobcat]

Since one gets bullied way more by the cat than the other

[molten oasis]

Those 3 are super strong

[rustic mountain]

they r the top tier restricteds

[left bobcat]

Miraidon and Calyrex are

[rustic mountain]

everything else is just fighting for that top 3 spot

[left bobcat]

Zacian not so much

[molten oasis]

There’s the top dogs (those 3)

[left bobcat]

Zacian is like a high tier

[molten oasis]

The strong mons like kyogre zama pagos

And the good mons which is where zacian lies, you have to work a lot more for wins on zacian but i find it rewarding

[left bobcat]

Terapagos is more like a high tier it’s definitely up there

Zacian is still good

[molten oasis]

Pagos isn’t S tier imo

[rustic mountain]

zacian is fringe tier, its not a bad restricted but its not quite top tier either

[rustic mountain]

its not

[left bobcat]

A high tier

[molten oasis]

Zacian is described as honest

Most aren’t

[rustic mountain]

pagos is top 5 but its not outclassing mirai or the horses

[left bobcat]

That’s the equivalent of saying shiek is a high tier which she is

Just very honest

[rustic mountain]

doesnt mean u cant beat them w/ it but its just not as good

[molten oasis]

Do you think calyrex is an honest fair pokemon?

[rustic mountain]

yes

[molten oasis]

that defeats the whole, bruh

[left bobcat]

Meanwhile mewtwo, giratina, and the other below

[rustic mountain]

mewtwo and giratina are in borderline unuseable

[left bobcat]

I have never seen one mewtwo at all

[foggy lodge]

The Calyrex are broken by nature but lowkey you have to play chess to play the Calys lol

[rustic mountain]

?

[molten oasis]

I’m trying to prove a point

[left bobcat]

Pretty much it’s annoying

I prefer zacians and miraidons over the stupid horses

[molten oasis]

I don’t think the calys are honest pokemon

[left bobcat]

Pfffffffff of course they’re not

[rustic mountain]

calys and mirai are a lot less forgiving. mistakes are usually punished harder in restricteds they make it even more unforgiving

[left bobcat]

Calys hold the power of the credit card pay to win

[foggy lodge]

Mirai also cam usually just burst out of situations

[rustic mountain]

i was kidding

[left bobcat]

At least with miraidon they are sorta predictable

[rustic mountain]

but also i think gen 9 is the perfect storm for them

[foggy lodge]

I think ceree talked about it and why he picked it for worlds

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/sponge-bob-yikes-cartoon-gif-13894010

[rustic mountain]

w/o tera they are a lot more exploitable and are a lot easier at keeping honest despite being broken mons

[molten oasis]

Anyway your restricted if you want to win should feel unfair

[left bobcat]

Calyrex would be less scary if it weren’t for their ability

[molten oasis]

Tera does push them to new heights

Zacian not so much

ontop of the nerfs

[foggy lodge]

i think that like

That line of the just good restricteds is more antimeta

[rustic mountain]

its relative right, zacian gets help but if things that are stronger then it also get that same help, its still not going to be outclassing them

[left bobcat]

If chilling/grims neigh would get removed it’ll be a whole lot easier

[foggy lodge]

Like Zacian Lunala and Groudon

[left bobcat]

Which in that case you can bring weezing

[foggy lodge]

Groudon is weird idk

[molten oasis]

Zac I think will be better in double restricted

[left bobcat]

Groudon is like a high mid tier

[rustic mountain]

groudon has been making more of a case for itself recently

[molten oasis]

Groudon is real

[rustic mountain]

really can counter those miraidon teams

[foggy lodge]

Yeah for Miraidon i guess tho Miraidon is not that strong rn

[rustic mountain]

and in general is pretty solid if u can hit ur moves

[left bobcat]

And it’s mostly because of miraidon

[foggy lodge]

Groudon is real im the first person to think about what is my MU against it lol

[left bobcat]

Yeah that’s pretty much the downside

Like dude I missed pp blades THREE times

[foggy lodge]

Consistency problems with p blades

[rustic mountain]

press a miss blades

[left bobcat]

That’s what I call it

[rustic mountain]

u didnt tho

[left bobcat]

Press a mis blades

[left bobcat]

And you know this how?

[foggy lodge]

How did people survive in VGC 2016

[molten oasis]

Groudon is solid

[rustic mountain]

cuz u called it pp blades

[molten oasis]

With wide guard you can handle CIR

If you get a wide guard Mon to work

[left bobcat]

For some reason why do I feel like pp blades has lower accuracy than original pulse

[rustic mountain]

wasnt that primals

[left bobcat]

It’s much easier than calling it press mis blades every time

[foggy lodge]

I think

But also sw/sh

[molten oasis]

Yes that was primal

[foggy lodge]

Groudon got second at worlds and Kyogre was the second most used restricted

[rustic mountain]

swsh was fine u could jus dmax

[shadow wind]

Did I hear Groudon talk

[left bobcat]

But I missed more pp blades than I have origin pulse

[foggy lodge]

Ah true i forgot that lol

[rustic mountain]

otherwise primals u could just yeet water moves

[molten oasis]

Groudon fell off due to consistency

[rustic mountain]

in intense sun

[molten oasis]

Missing pblades when missing at all costs you games sucks

[rustic mountain]

nah if u really bout it, the extra 10 letters isnt doing anything

[left bobcat]

Pretty much

[left bobcat]

Guess I’m not

[shadow wind]

That’s why you gotta use him as an enabler

[left bobcat]

Still doesn’t mean that I haven’t said the word at least once or twice

[shadow wind]

Allow him to set up the sun and use Helping Hand

And press Pblades when you need to

[left bobcat]

Also because the move SUCKS PP

I would just fold when I see my screen saying “Groudon missed” TWICE

[foggy lodge]

Conner is there a way for Groudon to survive draco meteor from Miraidon

[left bobcat]

like bro how do you miss both targets

[left bobcat]

Clefairy-

[shadow wind]

Out of electric terrain or in it?

Cause I live a Draco out of it

But you’d probably need AV to live it in electric terrain

[foggy lodge]

Uhhh i guess it depends of the tools of the team

[shadow wind]

I use that calc all the time

Lead Groudon and Rilla then just tank the Draco

[foggy lodge]

In worlds i saw Hearhflame so that's usually the way for them i guess

[left bobcat]

Scarf chi yu baby

[molten oasis]

Run Tera fairy ez

[left bobcat]

Scarf snarl

[shadow wind]

Hearthflame or Chi yu absolutely fries Groudon yeah

[left bobcat]

Hit em once and dip

[rustic mountain]

prolly better to lead other things into it t1 and have the pivot pressure to swap in comfortably to an electric atk if they r dumb enough to click it. if u switch gmoney in for flutter and protect the other slot they rnt gna draco that slot

[molten oasis]

The Tera fire ones don’t care about Hearthflame tho

Well, how much does cudgel do?

[shadow wind]

You’d be surprised

Tera fire cudgel in sun does like 50 to Tera fire Groudon

[left bobcat]

Hmmm let’s see a cudgel in the sun with Tera fire-

[molten oasis]

Jesus

[left bobcat]

Sounds like death to me

[molten oasis]

Ig, sun boosted

[left bobcat]

And if you bring chien pao

[shadow wind]

Sun boosted Tera boosted +1

[molten oasis]

Tera fire, stab, in my case SoR, yea lol

Lots of multipliers

[left bobcat]

Helping hands if you’re feeling spicy too

[shadow wind]

One of the reasons I really liked Gouging fire

Quad fire and grass resists is awesome

[left bobcat]

Breaking swipe

[molten oasis]

True

[left bobcat]

Oh- that too

[shadow wind]

Breaking swipe does help

[molten oasis]

I like moon cuz it’s just an irritating pest for physical attackers

[shadow wind]

Make some Pokémon useless on the field

[left bobcat]

It is?

[rustic mountain]

unless its vs scarf mirai

[molten oasis]

Knock ofd your clam and then spam breaking swipe

[left bobcat]

I don’t really bring moon because it just explodes without terastilizing

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/akira-leave-me-alone-tiktok-meme-reaction-gif-9595462199354763206

[foggy lodge]

I suppose Flutter icy wind with don also help with the match up

[molten oasis]

For what mu

[foggy lodge]

Miraidon

[molten oasis]

Oh yea it helps

[shadow wind]

Mine isn’t fast enough for that so I don’t rely on that

Also Icy wind into Pblades is recipe for disaster

[molten oasis]

My mu into miraidon has a lot of variables but I usually take moon lando Zac+1

[left bobcat]

Well into wide guard comes into play

[rustic mountain]

what wide guarders even are there that r even somewhat used frequently outside peli

[left bobcat]

Smeargle

[rustic mountain]

who is commonly using smeargle

[shadow wind]

I mean there’s Val

[left bobcat]

Mienshao

[shadow wind]

Nah Mienshao fell off

[rustic mountain]

ok this is valid

[shadow wind]

Real ones use Val

[left bobcat]

Uh what’s the mons name

[shadow wind]

Val-id even

[rustic mountain]

so valiant on that 1 team and peli

[shadow wind]

Zamazenta

[left bobcat]

The short mon with the pointy thingy on its head

[shadow wind]

Hitmontop?

[left bobcat]

Ah yes hitmontop

Silly me how could I forget

[rustic mountain]

yea idk i jus dont see it something u gta be THAT worried about, its gna b around but its not gna be something ur dealing w/ every other game

[foggy lodge]

Actually its a long time since a i saw a Smeargle lol

[rustic mountain]

ive played a few

[shadow wind]

Yeah definitely true

I just think of it when wide guard gets brought up

[left bobcat]

Actually now that you mention it I haven’t seen any either

[shadow wind]

That’s kinda it though

[left bobcat]

Im starting to see more valiant if anything

[rustic mountain]

nah ik i was more responding to that for my overall point not necessarily u directly on it

[shadow wind]

Ye ye

[foggy lodge]

Valiant kinda Smeargle 2 it gets so many dumb moves lol

[shadow wind]

Literally

[foggy lodge]

Just that without follow me

[rustic mountain]

cuz some1 mentioned wide guard as tho it was something super prevalent

[left bobcat]

Ah yes the mon that suffers from 4 move syndrome

[foggy lodge]

Zamazenta is the real wide guard mon

[shadow wind]

Yeah I don’t find it that worrying

Usually I get to click dgleam without worry

[left bobcat]

Looking at its movepool and I’m just like- WELL DAMN

[rustic mountain]

nd by now u know wat gets it and how to play around wen u do

[shadow wind]

Exactly

Until a Tropius pulls up and I forget

[rustic mountain]

dont be losing to tropius man

[shadow wind]

Only Chloro mon with wide guard 😔

[foggy lodge]

it gets that

[shadow wind]

Actually a cool pick is Hariyama

[rustic mountain]

banana dragon w

[left bobcat]

What if-

[shadow wind]

Thick fat is a great ability into CIR

[foggy lodge]

Hariyama is cool it made day 2 at worlds with Groudon

[left bobcat]

Iron hands had wide guard

[shadow wind]

Yuppers

[left bobcat]

Let that sink in

[shadow wind]

No more AV

So eh

[foggy lodge]

Vincenti used rocky helmet Hariyama

[rustic mountain]

[shadow wind]

Yup

[rustic mountain]

av feels too good on hands

[shadow wind]

Signature item

Rocky helmet forced chip from CIR and technically CSR

And other Restricteds I guess

[foggy lodge]

D kiss?

[shadow wind]

Yup

[left bobcat]

Kiss?

Well if you say so

Jp

[foggy lodge]

😭

[rustic mountain]

[shadow wind]

😬😬

[left bobcat]

RELAX

[shadow wind]

I’ve seen a couple Talonflame Zacian teams and I was wondering if that was coming from somewhere

Or just ladder being ladder

[left bobcat]

But I’m starting to find more use with sash/covert cloak rapid ursh rather than scarf

[molten oasis]

Mienshao lol

[left bobcat]

I even gave mine a iron ball

[molten oasis]

Oh damn y’all are way past that

[left bobcat]

So it works under trick room

[rustic mountain]

eh i see that even less then smeargle now

[molten oasis]

There aren’t really options just a thought

[shadow wind]

There was that one team with reckless HJP Mienshao

[rustic mountain]

[foggy lodge]

I only have one friend that uses Mienshao

[left bobcat]

Reckless?

[shadow wind]

Like the ability

[molten oasis]

I think mienshao is pretty mid

[rustic mountain]

thats kinda the point

[molten oasis]

Like it’s, okay

[shadow wind]

100%

[molten oasis]

On certain specific teams

[rustic mountain]

wide guarders generally suck its not something most ppl have on their team

[molten oasis]

But otherwise not really all that strong

True the only good one is peli and also zama

[shadow wind]

Valiant 😔

[molten oasis]

And Lunala ig

[rustic mountain]

right the exceptions

[shadow wind]

Can’t wait for double restricted so I can pull out the Groudon Lunala duo

[bold geode]

Groudon Valiant kek

[molten oasis]

I don’t think valiants all that good either, it had a role on the second place worlds teams which is totally fine

[shadow wind]

Coaching sucks on Groudon

[rustic mountain]

valiants solid

[shadow wind]

You boost his attack for what? Him to miss?

[molten oasis]

I think people overhype valiant sometimes

[bold geode]

Idk Japan did it

[left bobcat]

But but-

[shadow wind]

I don’t think coaching should ever be used on Groudon

[left bobcat]

Coach is right guys-

[molten oasis]

It filled a good niche on that CIR team tho so I respect that

[bold geode]

Caly Ice Valiant
Groudon Valiant
Koraidon Valiant
They really like Valiant

[left bobcat]

If Groudon wants to win it’s on us

[molten oasis]

It doesn’t feel easy to put on a team

[shadow wind]

All that attack with a chance to deal 0 damage

Frick that

[bold geode]

But I mean
Coaching on Groudon is probably fine

It was good with Rayquaza so uh

[left bobcat]

Defensively

[foggy lodge]

I found CalyDow valiant on a tour

[rustic mountain]

its not a great mon and honestly prolly not even a good mon but its solid especially for wat u mentioned for its role in helping combat miraidon and help support the squad in others

[molten oasis]

It’s okay imo just relying on precipice sucks

[bold geode]

Deadass think Groudon better than Rayquaza

[left bobcat]

It kinda is

[shadow wind]

Helping hand Tera Fairy Specs Dgleam solves all my problems

[molten oasis]

[rustic mountain]

like theres a reason it wasnt really played much outside that 1 guy day 2ing with meowscarada and valiant

[foggy lodge]

It absolutely is lol

[molten oasis]

No fucking way groudon is better than Ray that’s crazy

[shadow wind]

Coldest take of all time

[foggy lodge]

Groudon atleast has results to back up

[left bobcat]

Well it kinda is

[bold geode]

Ok fuck you all

[left bobcat]

Ray SUCKS

[molten oasis]

Almost like we all know that

[bold geode]

Wait I didn't mean to ping

[rustic mountain]

its such a cold take we are now in antartica

[left bobcat]

You gotta Tera immediately if you don’t want to explode to an icy win or moon blast

[shadow wind]

Guys I have a suspicion that Calyrex Shadow is better than Lunala

But don’t quote me

[bold geode]

I'm going to Rivals fuck this

[molten oasis]

Ray needs so much to work

It is not worth the work either imo

[rustic mountain]

true caly shadow won regionals but lunala .........

[bold geode]

Y'ALL GET THE APPLE NOW

[shadow wind]

I’d rather use Dnite than Ray

[foggy lodge]

There were 2 Lunala at day 2 worlds

[shadow wind]

It has potential I swear!

[molten oasis]

In double, maybe it’ll be ok

[foggy lodge]

More than i expected tbh lol

[molten oasis]

In single nah

[left bobcat]

I mean I’ve been thinking about running a special attack ray

[shadow wind]

You need a restricted that does stuff for you

[foggy lodge]

Lunala is like the bulky version of CalyDow

[shadow wind]

And Lunala don’t do that

[bold geode]

Don't

[molten oasis]

[left bobcat]

Tera normal hyper voice ray

[foggy lodge]

Just that HO Lunala is usually better

[bold geode]

[rustic mountain]

yea it did ok its not bad its lackluster af in single restricted

[bold geode]

@molten oasis wanna hop on

[foggy lodge]

I think Lunala needs some TR mode to work

[shadow wind]

Lunala Groudon Zacian are in a trio of mid

[left bobcat]

They the big 3 of mid

[molten oasis]

I’m about to hop on with another friend monke

[foggy lodge]

I think they are anti meta atleast

[bold geode]

C'MON

[molten oasis]

Not that I’m in the mood I’m tired

[left bobcat]

But zacian feels like Muhammad Ali

[bold geode]

I KNOW Y'ALL NEED A HEALER

[shadow wind]

Groudon lowkey the worst good restricted

[molten oasis]

It’s dawn wings imo

[foggy lodge]

Groudon does goog against Groudon as long as you can avoid getting OHKOd by draco meteor

[molten oasis]

For worst good restricted

Cuz people genuinely use dawn wings

[left bobcat]

Dawn wings would be better-

[rustic mountain]

my favorite draco meteor from groudon

[bold geode]

Drago you're telling me you don't want a mid squirrel Girl

[foggy lodge]

Idk Groudon's match up spread sorry

[molten oasis]

Yes

[left bobcat]

Yeah I was a dawn wings warrior during reg h 2024

[bold geode]

Or a decent healer

[shadow wind]

Fast raging bolt makes me sad

[left bobcat]

It was a everyday struggle

[foggy lodge]

How does it do against Koraidon

[shadow wind]

Why are they running max speed

[shadow wind]

Very well

[left bobcat]

Who?

[foggy lodge]

Its 2 am sorry

[rustic mountain]

ur good lol

[shadow wind]

The ground fairy combo of Groudon Flutter shuts down any Koraidons

[left bobcat]

Specs Draco meteor from Koraidon TRUST 🤞😫

[bold geode]

WHY IS THE APPLE STILL FUNNY IT'S BEEN LIKE 2 WEEKS

[left bobcat]

Max special attack and modest

[foggy lodge]

la puta manzana

[left bobcat]

I’m still wondering-

WHY THE HELL does Koraidon have meteor beam

[rustic mountain]

[foggy lodge]

what

[left bobcat]

Wait- HOLD ON a second now

[rustic mountain]

we need a fairy/ground mon

[bold geode]

How dare you speak of my God like that

[shadow wind]

Play Camomons then

[rustic mountain]

huh

[shadow wind]

Great tusk is my favourite fairy/ground type

[shadow wind]

OM of the month

[molten oasis]

I want a fairy ground type

[rustic mountain]

oh nah im good on made up formats

[molten oasis]

Anti miraidon guy sounds sick

[left bobcat]

Tera fairy excadrill

[molten oasis]

That doesn’t count you have to commit Tera

[shadow wind]

It’s lowkey fun but singles is meh so the amount of fun is divided by like 25

[molten oasis]

What is happening

[bold geode]

I hope that wolf ain't saying something racist

[left bobcat]

Well that’s Gen 9 for you

[dapper crag]

How is this the only active sv channel

[left bobcat]

Tera grass incin is the best grass type in the game

[dapper crag]

On that note can someone here help me evolve a mon for comp

[foggy lodge]

nah its not

[bold geode]

Welcome to perhaps the 5th circle of hell

[rustic mountain]

idk i dont mind community made ones ive done singles/randbats etc but the ones that make up mons or alter abilities and types is a bit too far for me personally haha

[bold geode]

And no we cannot

[dapper crag]

Ty

[gentle crag]

dryphone has given 1 Gen Rep to dollarmonke

[left bobcat]

I just lost my dawwwwwwwwg

Zacian my dawg

[shadow wind]

Totally fair

[left bobcat]

Even tho I shit on zacian that’s my dawg

[dapper crag]

Middleman queue is closed now damn

[rustic mountain]

sorry dude u can always hit up the trade channels and offer something up for the evolution help. otherwise grinding candies isnt too difficult

[left bobcat]

I still can’t believe there are insane people that run moon blast on zacian

[molten oasis]

🫵

Zacian supremacy

(I live in a corner)

[rustic mountain]

vgcorner?

[molten oasis]

Nah the corner where I play a Mon no one else does

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokemon-shield-pokemon-plush-plush-plushie-gif-22905345

[dapper crag]

Nahh ill wait for someone to help lol

[rustic mountain]

🫡

[left bobcat]

Some- BODY

[dapper crag]

Evolving a trade evo mon requires someone else not candies

[rustic mountain]

ohhhh i see

misunderstood but the trade channel option still applies

usually ppl need their own help w/ trade evos