competitive_discussion

[foggy lodge]

And it lets you open to a lot of damage or luck

[lofty tartan]

No they asked if there was anything that could outspeed and taunt, and there isn't. Ultimately if you run into a Sash Whimsicott this all falls apart.

[foggy lodge]

True

Its not consistent

You will just have to play against the tailwind

[lofty tartan]

^^

[dense latch]

https://pokepast.es/a8cc6d4663c80e81 any thoughts on how to improve this team? i put in iron jugulis bc tailroom felt interesting and it covered everything i was missing defensively and offensively

[lofty tartan]

Eweb and Icy Wind can offset the speed in your favor if it's that much of an issue

[dense latch]

originally had chi yu, that sixth slot is killing me to solve

[still ridge]

I'm not familiar enough with the format to make recommendations yet :x

[placid mist]

Does anyone want to play a bo3 on showdown with me? Im trying to test my team i made for the new regulation

[still ridge]

I would but mine's still regulation H and probably a bit weaker xD

[foggy lodge]

Sure

What's your name on showdown?

[placid mist]

diegoncyl

[foggy lodge]

Sent

[real prairie]

Ready to ladder / B'ham

Thank Arceus for the Chansey outbreaks, made spamming the item printer a breeze

[left bobcat]

That’s a lot of grass

[still ridge]

Immediately thinking about iron bundle with freeze dry

[left bobcat]

Ludicolo would explode

[next stump]

hell yeah, if you want to practice ever hit me up

[still ridge]

I'm actually down for some practice to see where my current team stands and what to change

[real prairie]

Sounds like a plan, but I absolutely need a few days off Pokémon 🤣

1600 on bo1 ladder, 1400 on bo3 ladder and building the team from scratch on console has drained me

[real prairie]

Just realised all 3 are my shinies 🤣

[foggy lodge]

gooood

i reached 1400 on bo3 too

[placid mist]

https://pokepast.es/ed4e53f1acb3f9aa
Hey guys looking to improve my team for the upcoming regulation. I'm thinking of changing my Chi-Yu set or replacing him entirely because i really dont like missing my moves

Does anyone have recommendations?

[still ridge]

I'm curious about the EV spread on flutter and moves, what are you trying to outspeed with that much investment and what pokemon is the taunt for?

[placid mist]

I took the spread from a YouTube video he said it outspeeds Max Speed Modest kyogre in TW and has a good chance to live Surging Strikes from Adamant urshifu. I like taunt to help agianst TR teams and mons like clefairy and amoonguss

[warped mason]

Just tried that team into a miraidon dazzling gleam spam. Light screen ogre eats helping hand dazzling gleam for breakfast.

[still ridge]

Very specific, I'm curious how many people run kyogre with max speed when they plan on also using tailwind, I was trying to figure out which scarf users it was trying to outspeed so was wondering what the threshold you were reaching for was

[real prairie]

I can only speak against what I've come up against, and scarf Urshi and sash Caly would be my recommendations off the top of my head

But I'm a very specific opponent, I can't imagine many others will be running scarf max speed Kyogre like me

[foggy lodge]

they really just deleted the reg H ladder lol

[chrome knot]

the format is over

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-celebration-woohoo-jumping-gif-25834998

[polar nest]

I miss reg h

[placid mist]

me to

[grave kelp]

can someone help me teambuild some things for a draft

[craggy dagger]

Emma!!

[chrome knot]

novaaaaa

[grave kelp]

its natdex doubles tera only

[chrome knot]

we play vgc here

[craggy dagger]

emma emma
i need a better wide guard pokemon

[chrome knot]

poepper

[craggy dagger]

…
pelipper doesn’t mix with hearthflame or everyone’s gonna jump me again

[chrome knot]

wait wtf is ur team

[craggy dagger]

it’s

a team :)

[chrome knot]

great.

[craggy dagger]

um
it’s a shadow rider team

[chrome knot]

mienshao

wait does it get wide guard..?

[craggy dagger]

mhm

[chrome knot]

oh ok that girl then

fake out cc feint wide guard

@ inner focus

@ sash

[craggy dagger]

i don’t have sash available

[chrome knot]

oop

who tf has sash!

[craggy dagger]

scarf shifu oh well

[chrome knot]

ooohhhh

k what tf is this team how is it not standard

shifu go mystic water or goggles

then make it bulky

[foggy lodge]

Go Pelipper its okay with hearthflame

[bold geode]

Sleeping on Hitmontop smfh

[foggy lodge]

It has anti sinergy with it but i think you can deal with it

[spiral ridge]

I said this and she said too many flying weakness for her liking

[bold geode]

Yeah cuz no lie
I'm joking, it's STRAIGHT ASS

[craggy dagger]

[spiral ridge]

Oh really I thought you still liked it

[craggy dagger]

tell that to everyone else :(((

[bold geode]

My choices in first half of Reg G were fuckin horrible

[craggy dagger]

i get jumped every time i mention dusk mane with hearthflame and pelipper

[bold geode]

I might make a content team or two this Reg but imma focus on some other stuff like consistency for a bit

[still ridge]

Eww, hearthflame AND pelipper?

[rustic mountain]

go play the 2013 format if u wanna play hitmontop

[bold geode]

I'm not turning back time

Hell I've been playing Rivals lately
Haven't really done much VGC

[rustic mountain]

its a legacy format they have for the month on sd lmao

[chrome knot]

ME ASF WOOOOOO

[craggy dagger]

honestly
i wanna play that legacy format

[chrome knot]

@next stump if gf moves back to chicago im coming to invade ur locals

[craggy dagger]

it looks so fun

[rustic mountain]

its ok, i have to give it more time but its a bit volatile from wat ive played so far

[next stump]

yooo nice

they’re a lot worse than last year but still decently frequent

[craggy dagger]

[next stump]

maybe one local within an hour drive every two weeks? sometimes two if it’s like end of quarter

[rustic mountain]

i beat battleroom which was funny

[bold geode]

@rustic mountain what format is it

[rustic mountain]

vgc 2013

its under roa or something

[chrome knot]

jk im the local x-1er ;3

[craggy dagger]

:0

id be 0-x lmao

too much pressure

[bold geode]

I see
Think I could pull off basic balance in this bitch

[rustic mountain]

luca paz has a funny ig name 0-x in swiss or something

[rustic mountain]

what would basic balance be

[bold geode]

Idk LMAO

[rustic mountain]

hahaha like theres no incin/rilla/urshi

im currently doing fwg core

shrooms around

thundurus seems pretty necessary imo otherwise have answers for it

[bold geode]

Aw fuck nvm Latios is in this format
Gotta plug in Dragon Gem Draco Meteor LMAO

[rustic mountain]

yep

i have that on my team lmfao

[bold geode]

Gimme your sauce LMAO

[rustic mountain]

its nothing crazy ill send u the paste i jus threw it together

[bold geode]

Plz señor I have no idea what I'm doing

[plain drum]

I believe in you Monke

[left bobcat]

Itchyyy

[foggy lodge]

what the fuck do i put on a Thundurus

I never played this format help

https://pokepast.es/c8442028babe2b26

[left bobcat]

Thunderwave

Thunderbolt

Taunt

Uhhhhhhhhhhhh

Idk

[chrome knot]

twave swagger

tbolt +1 lol

[rustic mountain]

^

[torn parrot]

think im quiting pokemon until gen 10

not fun anymore

[chrome knot]

enjoy break but see you soon methinks

[mighty stump]

Hahaha

[torn parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/kaoruko-moeta-comic-girls-tears-crying-happy-gif-15759503

[chrome knot]

tofu can i give u a paste tmrw to help me practice mu into it :3

[left bobcat]

That’s what I’m sayin

The bear and horses kinda ruined the game for me

[chrome knot]

https://pokepast.es/2266bc84e0ffba22 @mighty stump

[mighty stump]

ew draining kiss

[bold geode]

People be scared of a horse

[torn parrot]

iv been really trying to enojoy reg G but i cant get any fun out of it

been trying to have fun for a month now

oh wellz

evry time i play the ladder i end of having a mental breakdown if i play too long

this is a me problem tho

i think

i may be suffering from burn out

🐇

thats why i have to stop

[solid frigate]

honestly i dont even care about the horses buttkicking me

Its just a thing rn

[chrome knot]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2274143041-n6ak1ivaxlid1pl3z8w06fnz99q546wpw

[swift heart]

I’ve seen a lot of videos talking about how Urshifu ruined competitive Is this true? Is it that hard to counter?

[lofty tartan]

It's not that it's hard to counter but more that it removes player agency and cancels out protect, which usually determines the pace of a game.

[solid frigate]

Just Raging Bolt it

[swift heart]

What is player agency? Sorry for being stupid this is all kinda new to me and I’m just curious about it

[swift heart]

The tall lightning thing? Is it strong?

[torn parrot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn76iVsQnQk

[solid frigate]

i mean its the Tornshifu Counter

But overall Urshifu is not even hard to counter

[swift heart]

Is it dark/fighting type? Wouldn’t a fairy or another fighting type be an effective counter?

[torn parrot]

theres a wtaer and fighting form too

when it comes to urshifu its either hit or be hit

very hard

[solid frigate]

Rillaboom,Any Ogerpon Form,Raging Bolt,Flutter Mane these are just few examples of mons to counter

[swift heart]

Heck yeah flutter mane Ghost for the win

[swift heart]

So there’s two different forms? That’s interesting Do they both hit through protect?

[torn parrot]

Yes ):

The water fighting one I find a bit scarier

[lofty tartan]

It's the degree of freedom a player has to make choices.

[torn parrot]

Since it breaks sash and is boosted by the rain

[lofty tartan]

Around Urshifu, clicking Protect is a huge gamble. Call it wrong and lose your mon for a bad call.

[swift heart]

Note to self Hit that dude with all the lightning

[torn parrot]

Hit or be hit is the urshifu way

The scarf ones I really hate

[lofty tartan]

Then there's Tera grass, AV, or just bulked enough to survive TClap. It's a fun ride.

[swift heart]

Note to self Go bear hunting

[woven pelican]

you get kubfu as a snacksworth legend, unless you want another one then if you can get another kubfu in the swsh dlc

[swift heart]

I already traded both of those away I mean bear hunting in the sense that imma have to kill some bears and find good ghost to counter bear

[woven pelican]

ohhh

[swift heart]

Yeee Never been into competitive much but I loved battling with my cousin which is what got me into Pokémon strategy I will forever miss you Levitate Gengar. You were the bane of my cousins existence

[swift heart]

Even after they removed Levitate Gengar was still one of my best Pokémon A little frail but boi could outspeed and hit some Pokémon pretty hard

[finite vine]

So reg H ends in two days right? What will the next reg be?

Or will they repeat Reg G like I’ve been hearing

[craggy dagger]

we’ll be going back into reg G
though i think it’ll be under a new label?
idk about the second point but the format will be single restricted again

[finite vine]

So just one restricted legendary? Got it

[knotty mirage]

Were back seeing urshifu and calyrex again baby

[finite vine]

I can finally start working on a team then lol

But the question now is. What restricted Legendary should I use…

[knotty mirage]

Calyrex

[finite vine]

Nah too overrated

[craggy dagger]

Lunala
-# i’m totally not bias

[knotty mirage]

Zacian

[craggy dagger]

honestly though
choose whichever you like the most

[finite vine]

Ooh maybe Lunala Dusk Mane! After all I even have a shiny Necrozma

[craggy dagger]

sounds dumb but as a side job i’ve been working on a dusk mane (solgaleo fusion) team and an eternatus team .-.

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 890: Eternatus

Types

Poison/Dragon

Abilities

Pressure

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

140/85/95/145/95/130

Total

690

Other Formes

Eternatus-Eternamax

Sableye version 4.28.1

[craggy dagger]

i just wanna say
eternatus is such an underrated pokemon

[finite vine]

Wasn’t Zacian nerfed to the ground tho?

[knotty mirage]

Me when what i liked the most is kyurem

[knotty mirage]

Yes it is sadly

[craggy dagger]

it’s more of an anti meta pick now
like it did get a bunch of nerfs but that doesn’t stop it from hitting like a truck with swords dance set

[finite vine]

Ohh I see

[craggy dagger]

i wanna try some contrary cheese

[finite vine]

There was this strategy I wanted to use of using a power herb and Meteor Beam that I really liked and would maybe try out

[knotty mirage]

I mean if you want to use something that's not overrated but still good on next reg prolly just use zamazenta

[craggy dagger]

aw man
lurantis
wait lurantis can underspeed with - speed nature

[finite vine]

(Also got confused I meant Necrozma Dawn not Dusk lol)

[craggy dagger]

both are good
(dawn wings and base lunala)
though they’re usually “outclassed” by the more prominent ghost psychic type horse

i like lunala better just for the shadow shield buff which halves incoming damage at full hp but dawn wings definitely hits a lot harder

[finite vine]

Legendary Pokémon I’d like to try are Ho-oh, Groudon, Necrozma, Zamazenta, and MAYBE Calyrex only cuz I hunted for a 0 IV one and I want to use it lol

But just MAYBE cuz like I said. It’s TOO overrated lol

[craggy dagger]

i mean it’s everywhere for good reason though

[finite vine]

I mean yea lol

The thing is broken asf lol

[knotty mirage]

I mean you can try to just use calyrex when climbing on ladder so you will have easier time there and use anything else when you already reach master rank

[craggy dagger]

but the easier ones to work with on your list is prolly zama and groudon(?)
Ho-oh has seen the light of day but its typing makes it a little weird to play

[finite vine]

I’d prefer for the team to stay the same than to change it

[finite vine]

Damn maybe one day my boy Ho-oh lol

[craggy dagger]

and it’s a physical attacker which kinda confuses me?
i know that there was a sun team with
tera grass clear amulet
sacred fire life dew brave bird protect
ho oh set

[knotty mirage]

You can makes bunch of different team

[craggy dagger]

and like
it’s a really fun team but it looked really hard to pilot

cuz tera grass in the sun

[knotty mirage]

I think i seen some people who use offensive ho-oh paired with leer dual screen sableye

[finite vine]

Anyway it’s very late in here so imma start working on a team tomorrow. Thanks for the help! ^^

[craggy dagger]

good luck on teambuilding!

i did a dum dum.
@chrome knot look at this abomination i made

https://pokepast.es/a0d8a24ffe12a908

that lurantis is supposed to have contrary oops

hehehrhehehehehehe

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2274178655

[swift heart]

Currently looking at and rebuilding my ghost team

[torn parrot]

Is it difficult to evolve ursalunas in arceus

[cyan smelt]

Yes peat block is kinda hard to find

[torn parrot]

Hm crap

[patent marsh]

There's a spot near hisui electrode arena that you just sniff then reload non stop

[dull ibex]

vc anyone? need to cool down

[rare fossil]

can someone help me eveolfe finizen to palafin

union circle code is LPNRXT

[mighty stump]

@shadow wind pls edit ur rental to include “VGC Regulation G” in some form just so its easy to ctrl-F in the future thx

[gentle crag]

woodtofu has given 1 Gen Rep to connertep

[dull ibex]

tofu

we should do weegeecee

[mighty stump]

weeweeweee

[dull ibex]

ye

join vc coward

[swift heart]

If you need Bloodmoon Ursaluna I have one in Scarlet. Can have

[dull ibex]

I should get myself a turbo bear

[next stump]

https://x.com/vgccorner/status/1874544659554242966?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfszOAZ6w

Brady Smith - VGC Corner (@vgccorner) on X

Regulation G Incineroar
Incineroar @ Safety Goggles/Rocky Helmet
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 244 HP / 188 Def / 76 SpD
Impish Nature
- Fake Out
- Will-O-Wisp/Flare Blitz
- Knock Off
- Parting Shot

Bookmark this thread to come back to it

Twitter · Jan 1, 2025, 7:54 PM

[solid frigate]

still think Tera Grass/Water could be a Nice Alternative for Tera Options

But eh i do not complain

[mighty stump]

Its for the Zam MU tho

[near crag]

What’s garganacl for on this team? https://pokepast.es/7b66e29a0e6f7e30 it got top 39 in the Los Angeles regionals

[chrome knot]

wins stall 1v1s & wide guard for cir

acc thats prob more for kyogre & csr but yeah

[bold geode]

Bro likes weewee

[left bobcat]

Hards times

[dull ibex]

Who are you

[bold geode]

Your uncle

[dull ibex]

wow

[next stump]

groudon is pretty great into calyrex ice teams if you can set up scenarios where you ignore glacial lance

especially those old calyrex ice teams from LA with raging bolt/incineroar/etc.

you just wide guard + blades everything

[torn parrot]

Nah I have two 0 speed teddies

Wanna evolve them

It’s a last last minute reg H team

But I might not be able to finish iit

[still ridge]

Did you need help finishing the team or is it planning out the team?

[bold geode]

Holding on to it by a thread

[real prairie]

Really tempted to add a prankster protect + disable Mon just for disruption into TR teams

Maybe swap Incin for Grims

[bold geode]

I really hate Grimm lol

[next stump]

what TR teams are giving you trouble?

[real prairie]

Not loads tbh since I added encore to Whims

Normally get a instant reverse 🤣

[next stump]

then no need IMO, especially since TR is usually uncommon in person

[real prairie]

Yeah reg G seems to be a "who's the fastest" competition which I usually win

[bold geode]

Kinda just getting more value out the restricted imo but then again a lot of people use speed control to do so

[crimson isle]

I’m trying to get into PvP can anyone tell me what should I look for like items and nature etc

[real prairie]

TW + Scarf only really loses to other TW + Scarf and the common ones don't really threaten Kyogre (chi-yu, Urshifu etc)

[next stump]

are you looking to play single battles or double battles?

[real prairie]

I've been debating putting clear amulet on my Ludicolo to stop icy wind booster energy Flutters but I can just as easily negate that with TW I guess

[crimson isle]

Double

I haven’t played sense sun and moon just got back into Pokémon game 2 days ago and already became champion

But that’s because I’ve bought a few Pokémon from the website

I wanna know what to look for so I can buy some custom Pokémon

[next stump]

you’re new here so wouldn’t expect you to know this, but FYI we don’t discuss buying pokemon here in this discord

[crimson isle]

Oh sorry

[next stump]

it’s okay, i’m happy to help with trying to understand double battles more

we are about to switch rulesets to something called “Regulation G”, which is a fancy way of saying that you can use one “restricted” (usually a box legendary) pokemon on your team alongside 5 other pokemon

Here is a list of all of the resources I find most helpful when playing/learning VGC:

https://www.vgcguide.com/ (Helpful website for basics and also to get your feet wet)

https://www.munchstats.com/ (Shows you usage data and helps you build Pokémon)

https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/ (Damage calculator that is very helpful when building teams or reflecting on games)

https://youtube.com/c/CybertronVGC (Best channel for daily VGC content, guiding you through the thought process you need for success)

https://victoryroadvgc.com/ (Tournament results, team reports and breakdowns, and rental codes can be found here)

https://twitter.com/VGCPastes - Tournament and high ranked teams

https://twitter.com/vgccorner - Helpful Twitter account that posts in-depth EV spreads and ideas about competitive pokemon

There are dozens of other resources, some of which are in the pinned messages of this channel. But these IMO are the best places to start absorbing knowledge and getting to a place where you're comfortable with VGC

[crimson isle]

Thx bro

[next stump]

that’s a copy paste message I send everyone who wants to learn doubles. I would start with watching Cybertron if you’re into Youtube content, or checking out Munchstats if you just want to see commonly used pokemon/items/etc.

[crimson isle]

This for PvP?

[foggy lodge]

It breaks so much calcs

[next stump]

yes

all of that’s for PVP

[bold geode]

Yeah
I just hate that it's pretty much just a lead mon

[shadow wind]

Can do

[torn parrot]

Bouta be an OU player

[real prairie]

Yeah, the idea of it adding extra speed control as well as Fake out, Taunts, Disables etc. so many damn options 🤣

[bold geode]

You ain't gonna believe what's there

[torn parrot]

Uhhhh

What’s there

[little plank]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2274442197-ltursejjawml8ww65utg05l4fav5ok2pw god I love this team lmao

[next stump]

well played

https://youtu.be/7_EEr6QH42A?si=t104cX46QOEgot5s

good tier list

same with cybertron’s

[molten oasis]

Yea very solid

[left bobcat]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2274471016

the future is now ☝️ 🤓

[torn parrot]

Yayy I’m happy

Iv monopolized pawmot stats

[left bobcat]

Jump jump jump

[timber falcon]

so im still practicing positioning when battling

is it worth nothing down possible leads for each type of game?

e.g farig and incineroar combo with [...] and [...] in the back

[little plank]

if I didnt know y groudon didnt have focus sash I wouldnt have believed it. https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2274488958

[chrome knot]

yes

[timber falcon]

ill get going with that then

yep the set leads are doing the trick, finally made it out my elo cage

[little plank]

wowza no idea how I won this one lmao https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2274498245

[torn parrot]

I’m pissed off

Someone literally messaged me about the two ursalunas and I accidently closed the message request I jsut screwed myself over and I’ll never be able to contact them again

That’s so annoying

[chrome knot]

what

[torn parrot]

I’m actually so pissed off I did that

[chrome knot]

what do u need ?

[torn parrot]

I was trying to find someone who could evolve two bears into ursalunas and was offering some stuff

Someone contacted me and I accidently closed the message request

The server is too big to know who it is so I basically screwed myself for no reason

That’s why I’m pissed at myself

[chrome knot]

hi i can

my 2nd switch save is on midnight @ a full moon rn

[torn parrot]

Oh dang really? I would really appreciate that’s so nice of you
Did you need anything in return?

[chrome knot]

noo

would jus take a little bit of time

[torn parrot]

That’s really nice of you thank you so much

[gentle crag]

mayahoppins has given 1 Gen Rep to setsumizi

[torn parrot]

Tell me when your ready to trade I’ll give you the bears

I bred them 0 speed

[bold geode]

@chrome knot pms

[chrome knot]

can i do them in awhile how time sensitive is this

[torn parrot]

It’s not too time sensative can be whenever your ready

I’ll keep trying to see if I can find that one guy just in case

Even tho I probably just deleted him off the face of the earth because of a misclick

I’m just so mad at myself honestly

[polar canyon]

When was it that reg g drops again?

[timber falcon]

hasnt it dropped cause its january

i mean shouldnt it be back at g

[plain drum]

Should be January 5

[craggy dagger]

https://pokepast.es/b429e64929a8d07f

[timber falcon]

Why empoleon and lurantis?

[craggy dagger]

lurantis is just there for funny contrary stellar blast

empoleon i added as an incin repellent

[mint void]

6th.5th us still h

[timber falcon]

how does your mirror Match up end up like?

[plain drum]

Just going off what’s listed officially, they usually use UTC for this sort of thing AFAIK

[plain drum]

PST okay

[mint void]

Hm. In game it said 6th

Probs is for eu times

[craggy dagger]

quite well

[plain drum]

Either way, soon™️

[craggy dagger]

empoleon covers tera grass fire and base form

though i’m considering protect on lurantis instead of leech life

it’s more of a team to just have fun so i haven’t put too much EV thinking into it

[timber falcon]

i think youd gain a lot of value from protect yeah

[craggy dagger]

leech life is nice though

[timber falcon]

for which situations?

[craggy dagger]

does good damage into grass types and indeedee

and recovery is nice.
lurantis usually has +1 cuz of superpower by the time i click any other move

[timber falcon]

CIR and incin covers grass very nicely already, i can see the indeedee though incin is there

[craggy dagger]

incin don’t have a fire move-
oop it does
its supposed to be wisp

[tough mural]

With my team on the left who should i swap

[timber falcon]

oh ok

[craggy dagger]

but leech life has health recovery which is also nice imo

and i’m guaranteed a boost cuz of stellar anyways

[timber falcon]

Ursaluna blood moon looks a bit out of place, along with iron hands

i reckon you could swap them for shifu (faster mon that correlates with CSR) and maybe a tailwind mon

[craggy dagger]

looks fine imo
as long as the clefairy can under speed calyrex ice and have after you
a tailwind option would be quite nice though if you wanna run a mix speed ursaluna

[tough mural]

Is iron hands that bad I thought it was very much used before in regulation h?

[craggy dagger]

and since you already have rillaboom and incin for fake outs, iron hands couldddd be swapped for urshifu

[craggy dagger]

it is good but you also have to think about how the team can work well together

[timber falcon]

its just a bit slow for a CSR team

seeing as youre not running trick room

[craggy dagger]

it’s okay though-
slow pokemon can be in csr teams
the only thing i see clashing is 3 fake out pokemon .-.

and on a shadow team, iron hands usually fills the fake out slot

and a trick room chip

[tough mural]

I would like to have a trick room team as well but can't have both horses on 1 account

[craggy dagger]

i mean you can always just make a battle team out of it and rental code it

[timber falcon]

when using CSR speed is its second most valuable aspect, it doesnt make much sense to run it with such slow mons with no form of speed control (exluding tempo) does it?

[craggy dagger]

ehhh
hands offers a good way to do damage if trick room does go up

[timber falcon]

clefairy after you and incin is more than enough if trick room ever gets up tbh

[tough mural]

Smart I will do that soon cause i have both calyrex horses with perfect stats ( 0 speed for ice rider and 0 attack for shadow rider and both are caught by me on my no online alt )

[craggy dagger]

follow me can redirect after you if your opponent is expecting that
same with rage powder
but at the same time
i agree with iron hands being taken off that team

[timber falcon]

i do think that you should defo get some speed control though

[craggy dagger]

if you wanna add tornadus or a tailwind user i feel like you’d do well

[timber falcon]

yeah

[timber falcon]

true i didnt really account for this

[craggy dagger]

if you really want an electric type you can just slap on raging bolt

[tough mural]

For my trick room or other team ?

[timber falcon]

tailwind

[craggy dagger]

for the current team you showed us

raging bolt is one of the pokemon that doesn’t really care too much for speed since it’s already bulky and can take hits, it can fire back with good chip priority and other moves soooo

[foggy lodge]

Smeargle good

[timber falcon]

i hate smeargle

[tough mural]

So I put iron hands of the current team and does have a raging bolt but who should i add for speed control

[foggy lodge]

Its annoying sometimes

[craggy dagger]

true true

[foggy lodge]

Idt you really need speed control

CSR naturally outspeeds every other restricted except itself lol

What is the set of the Caly

[timber falcon]

iron hands doesnt nessecerily have to go, but shifu does the job better for your team (scarf) assuming that youre gunning for offence. it can also remove incineroar and outspeed a lot of mons

[craggy dagger]

that’s true
but
raging bolt > iron hands on that team?

[timber falcon]

speed will probably be contested no?

[tough mural]

Psychic draining kiss AB nasty plot ( think of Tera dark )

[foggy lodge]

No protect?

[craggy dagger]

friend guard is already something
plus tera exists

[foggy lodge]

No protect is troll

What is the item, cloak?

[craggy dagger]

gotta go fast and hit hard-
the definition of a glass cannon

[tough mural]

Wise glasses but can change

[timber falcon]

lowering the risk factor is nice though, for example, he faces another CSR which has tailwind. That could cause problems

[foggy lodge]

don't use wise glasses please lol

Spell tag or lorb work

[craggy dagger]

ah-

[foggy lodge]

I think with Hands cloak works

[craggy dagger]

cloak hands-

[left bobcat]

Yeah

[craggy dagger]

that’s
something new i haven’t heard

[timber falcon]

covert cloak iron hands?

[foggy lodge]

No keep AV

Just that CalyDow cloak with Hands works lol

[craggy dagger]

i should keep up with the vgc worl-
lmao oop-

[left bobcat]

GUHHHHH

Enough of these shadow riders

[foggy lodge]

Id go with Inci Amoonguss Hands CalyDow

[timber falcon]

amoongus when clefairy is there?

[foggy lodge]

Other option is Rilla with no AV

That is not bad but idk in a balance i would want to use Rilla with AV

2 redirection is good tho

[tough mural]

But with wise glasses all my special attacking moves get boosted while with spell tag only 1 get boosted also what is lorb ?

[foggy lodge]

Life orb boosts 1.3x for 10% of HP

[timber falcon]

here are some examples

[foggy lodge]

And spell tag would be way more valuable as the move you will most likely click is astral

[tough mural]

Ah I know what the item is but didn't know the short word of life orb

[timber falcon]

i think shifu should go over hands tbh

[left bobcat]

MY EYES

[foggy lodge]

You have two routes

Caly tera fairy draining kiss

[left bobcat]

so much horsing around

[foggy lodge]

Or caly tera dark psychic

[craggy dagger]

but it’s an adorable shadow horse

[timber falcon]

whats his team currently?

[foggy lodge]

Hostia puta Naniroma

[left bobcat]

My tolerance for the horse is starting to run out

It was bearable at first but they just keep coming

Imagine seeing Tera bug Calyrex 💀

[timber falcon]

changed it to recent top 3 so its more reliable

[left bobcat]

Tera bug pollen puff calyrex

[timber falcon]

i think if youre running balance CSR (set up) clefairy, shifu, incin and rilla is a great staple point to begin with

[craggy dagger]

but cloak

[craggy dagger]

why

actually i can’t say anything cuz i was thinking about it a while back

[left bobcat]

It was one of the many caly sets I’ve faced against

[timber falcon]

for what purpose would someone use that

[left bobcat]

It was to one shot my farig

[timber falcon]

oh its for people who hate tr

[left bobcat]

Helping hands pollen puff I’ll be honest I did not see that coming

[polar nest]

actually getting good results so far with regidrago zacian

[left bobcat]

I’m just using team robots

It’s pretty bad

[timber falcon]

does anyone know how to ev train an amoongus?

[next stump]

great team

[timber falcon]

ive just had mine die to incin in one shot

[left bobcat]

Just max hp and split the def and sp def in half

[next stump]

pretty sure just 244 (or maybe 236?)HP, 156+ def, rest in sp def

[polar nest]

yea

[craggy dagger]

regidrago zacian is a good team but it takes a while to position imo-
one of the teams i wanna try using but i just can’t get it right

[timber falcon]

Amoonguss @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Regenerator
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 236 HP / 36 Def / 236 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Clear Smog
• Rage Powder
• Spore
• Protect

[polar nest]

and my server name is very true usually

[timber falcon]

i saw 236 somewhere but i dont think im doing it right

[craggy dagger]

i wonder why
that’s quite the specially bulky amoongus

[timber falcon]

i thought it would live incin though

[next stump]

yeah special bulk is kinda pointless

you just use tera to absorb those hits

just do 156+ def

[timber falcon]

so do i just swap it round

aight ok

[tough mural]

My team is now
incineroar, rillaboom calyrex shadow, clefairy urshifu water, maybe ursaluna bm

[next stump]

I ran a SUPER physically bulky amoonguss at worlds and it was nice but it’s bad into special attackers obviously

[craggy dagger]

i do mine as

Amoonguss @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Regenerator
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 244 HP / 196 Def / 68 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Spore
• Rage Powder
• Pollen Puff
• Protect

[tough mural]

I used a mixed one but that was in swsh era and was build for trick room

[timber falcon]

still think speed control over ursaluna would benefit you, in fact i cant see ursaluna working without speed control

[craggy dagger]

also amoongus is built more towards special bulk anyways

[craggy dagger]

that looks fine lol

[timber falcon]

oh yeah i was on a break so i never got to ask, but how did you do at worlds?

[craggy dagger]

speed control is prolly something you could ignore

[tough mural]

So ursaluna instead for ....

[timber falcon]

untill the opponent has tailwind

[craggy dagger]

ehhh
you can just tera out of that

if they’re single target you have follow me

[timber falcon]

and if they arent?

[craggy dagger]

my calydow team has no speed control and it’s working fine

[timber falcon]

interessant

[craggy dagger]

the tera button exists

[timber falcon]

what tera do you mean, idk the context

[craggy dagger]

ok no well i lied
i do have speed control but i dont find myself using it that often

does anyone have a better raging bolt spread than this

Raging Bolt @ Assault Vest
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 244 HP / 100 Def / 92 SpA / 36 SpD / 36 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 20 Atk

• Thunderclap
• Thunderbolt
• Dragon Pulse
• Snarl

[next stump]

5-3 record, one win off day 2

[timber falcon]

thats still pretty good no?

[next stump]

yeah it was 150th place out of 700 or so people

https://x.com/vgccorner/status/1874929888739897736?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfszOAZ6w

Brady Smith - VGC Corner (@vgccorner) on X

Regulation G Guide: Ogerpon Hearthflame

In this thread, I will provide the following:
- 2 EV Spreads
- Usage Tips

Bookmark this thread for later, let's begin!
🧵🔽

Twitter · Jan 2, 2025, 9:24 PM

[polar nest]

https://pokepast.es/faba28ed96c74da0 Its doing decent, better than I usually do with a team, but I feel it can be better

[timber falcon]

idk if theres fixing that team, it seems like it has all the tools it needs rn

[polar nest]

o

[charred saddle]

is it meant to be grass tera whim?

[polar nest]

yea its probably i am just bad at the game

[charred saddle]

ghost tera seems nice for FO

[polar nest]

eh, its sash anyway

[charred saddle]

not really

[polar nest]

o yea

[timber falcon]

i didnt realise the rilla was max max

[polar nest]

true

[polar nest]

idk how to do evs

[timber falcon]

oh so its a rough estimate

[charred saddle]

funny thing, i still like going for bulky ccloak whim

[craggy dagger]

doesn’t that just warrant wanting to go ghost more?

[charred saddle]

but tbf i havent tried it in reg G

idk if it can still take some hhit

[craggy dagger]

since fake out will always break sash and flinch then

[polar nest]

ok I changed whims tera to ghost

[charred saddle]

btw why leftovers drago?

[polar nest]

for maximum healing

[timber falcon]

protect

but i do see ghost

[polar nest]

I took the set from another team

for drago

[charred saddle]

idk im just used to dragons maw/choice

[polar nest]

I tried choice

its not very good

[timber falcon]

its all about positioning with choice items

[polar nest]

yea

and doing that is quite hard

[craggy dagger]

i like lefties on drago

[charred saddle]

well i dont like it either, its just something common

i just dont really see any reason Leftovers mighht benefit drago

[timber falcon]

agreed, but its worth learning via practice

[polar nest]

yea

I just think it makes sense on drago

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 895: Regidrago

Type

Dragon

Abilities

Dragon's Maw

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

200/100/50/100/50/80

Total

580

Sableye version 4.28.1

[charred saddle]

its too squishy

[timber falcon]

ive been trying out a zacian team i made myself, and positioning this dog is killing me

[charred saddle]

50 50 def spd

i mean u doget lots of heal from % of hp

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/7671fe0e2d2ae7d4 i tweaked it a tiny bit

[polar nest]

bcuz if it get locks in dnrg and they switch into like flutter

im locked

[foggy lodge]

i got top 400 on bo3

[timber falcon]

swap into zacian atp or read it

[charred saddle]

ye, im not saying that. and also im more into dragons maw drago

[foggy lodge]

Not a big achievement imo but im quite proud

[polar nest]

better at the game than me

[timber falcon]

i dont have the patience lol

congrats

[charred saddle]

also, if thheres flutter, its unlikely for you to bring it either way.

plus, what i mean with lefties feels weird is that, drago wants to capitalize max hp DE

[polar nest]

reading is hard bcuz Im very new

[charred saddle]

and by doing so, it want to have speed advantage, either TW or TR

[polar nest]

I used scarf but then was told it was a bad idea

[charred saddle]

but waiting for lefties then wastes some time, maw just gave power + flexibility

i didnt say choice

dragons item thhing thhat buffs dragon

[timber falcon]

just think, if they have a mon in the team and they havent sent it out, its extremely likely they will do that or protect infront of a super effective move

[polar nest]

so what is the optimal item for it

[polar nest]

yea that makes sense

[charred saddle]

most is eithher chhoice item (specs/ scarf), or dragons fang

[timber falcon]

but sometimes safe is better

[polar nest]

dragon fang?

[next stump]

https://youtu.be/ORTpKBr--N8?si=XPRamMMVECLbcAsG

https://youtu.be/bk4WLKgKN5I?si=Fm0Az38_dWs6wAvZ

[polar nest]

yea his team is why I made this

[next stump]

just copy one of these two teams if you don’t like doing EVs or items

[polar nest]

I didnt know there was a video

[charred saddle]

they did life orb

[polar nest]

I looked on vgcpastes

[next stump]

no offense intended at all but they know what they’re doing and you partially don’t

[polar nest]

no evs from that team

[polar nest]

I totally would

[next stump]

the cybertron one should have EVs

[polar nest]

i completely understand

[polar nest]

k i didnt know he made a video, thanks!

[gentle crag]

agplays_ has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[charred saddle]

ohh he made a tweak from the old team

[polar nest]

yea

[timber falcon]

before i continue ladder climb, should i research prominent meta teams? not just the mons but the inner functions

[charred saddle]

added ditto

[polar nest]

no behemoth blade?

ik i dont know what im doing but

uhh

[timber falcon]

the vid should explain everything

[polar nest]

idk if thats a good idea

[charred saddle]

iirc ditto copies the stat chhanges too right?

ie. copies +2 CSR

[polar nest]

yea

[charred saddle]

iron head is behemothh blade

[next stump]

it won’t hurt you, not sure if it will be the most useful thing to do though

[polar nest]

i personally dont like using ditto in vgc

[timber falcon]

i see, so is there any other way i can prep before i jump in?

cause i wanna hit my goal of 70% GXE 1500 tomr

[next stump]

I don’t think so, laddering is very much meant to be an active work in progress

your team and you as a player both grow as you play

and it’s really hard to know what you don’t know, without playing games

[timber falcon]

hopefully ive done enough growing then

[tough mural]

This is the updated version of the team is there anything i need to change ?

[solid frigate]

this looks fine

is it water Shifu?

[tough mural]

Yes it is water shifu i have both version in a apriball

[crimson isle]

Anyone able to help me get started with my polygon incineroar team?

[fading bone]

ive been spamming terepagos, incen, urshafu, rillaboom, chien-pao, flutter mane august 2024 worlds team. Does anyone have a lot of experience with it that could give me advice on openers and when to bring chien-pao. i have a gopod understanding of terepagos at this point but i want advice on some more nuanced stuff

https://pokepast.es/9262a099bb21bf34

[solid frigate]

yeah looks good also great Taion pfp

[tough mural]

Porygon as in 2 or z ?

[crimson isle]

Either or

I’m new to PvP in Pokémon

[tough mural]

Ty i see we like similar stuff

[gentle crag]

brainstorm has given 1 Gen Rep to morrispxg456

[solid frigate]

Xenoblade is Based so im glad seeing a Xenoblade Fan trying out VGC

[solid frigate]

Porygon2 most likely would be better

[tough mural]

Porygon 2 is more bulky and is imo best in trick room and porygon z is a glass cannon but i think is being less used atm

[tough mural]

I have played all 3 xeno games and xeno x is on my list as well

[solid frigate]

Porygon Z is for Very Offensive team but idk he meant P2 Balance or something else

Either wat reg H is gone so why-

[tough mural]

Maybe with reg g returning that's why it was asked

[shadow wind]

Aren’t they remaking Xeno X?

Feel like I saw that somewhere

[tough mural]

Yeah I'm very happy about that

[plain drum]

Have you just played Xenoblade or have you also played Gears and Saga

[mint void]

Currently shiny hunting my team and Whimsicott isnt showing up

[solid frigate]

i do not expect that honestly

[plain drum]

How come?

[shadow wind]

I’ve personally only played the 3 numbered Xenoblades

Isn’t it literally announced?

[plain drum]

March 20 release date

[shadow wind]

Xenoblade XDE

Yippee !

[plain drum]

Which version of 1 did you play just curious to mess with you now lmao

[tough mural]

Nope xeno 2 was my first xeno game but i did knew of xeno 1 when it was on the wii but cause my wii was a older version + had some illegal games on it so the game couldn't run it

[shadow wind]

DE

[plain drum]

[shadow wind]

Xenoblade DE was my last one too

I played 2 then 3 then DE

[solid frigate]

cuz i thought they are done with it but then again Monolith Soft Rarely have Ls

i think people hate XC2 more than Like it tho

[shadow wind]

https://youtu.be/meabXp-IFkM?feature=shared

[tough mural]

Lol it is now more a xenoblade chat then a competitive chat haha

[shadow wind]

I think 2 was my favourite story wise but I liked 3s combat more

[shadow wind]

Goated series

[plain drum]

Anything goes during downtime

Otherwise we just try not to bury stuff

[tough mural]

Very true when i first bought 2 cause i like the cover had not even watch any trailers a old friend said i shouldn't have bought it and after he watched me play the game he got addicted to it even more then i am haha

[solid frigate]

2 is just so peak

[shadow wind]

Although 3s DLC ROBBED us

I just wanted them as heroes 😔

[solid frigate]

also

||God damn i love Pneuma||

[tough mural]

Tbf i didn't play that yet but 3's story i liked it a lot || not about the suffering they went through ||

[solid frigate]

fair enough

also Xenoblade just need to have Suffer

[tough mural]

Very true

[shadow wind]

I will not forgive Monolith for what they did

[solid frigate]

on what

[shadow wind]

Robbed us of the most broken class to ever exist

[solid frigate]

fair enough

[shadow wind]

Why did they do this

||Master Driver class robbery||

[pallid hare]

||They, uh, are heroes. Beating a special challenge in the base game after clearing the DLC campaign allows you to have both Shulk and Rex as heroes||

[shadow wind]

I wanted the classes

Real heroes

I needed more gauntlet to play

The no art run wasn’t enough

I needed Incursor+

[left bobcat]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2274617075

sometimes i cant believe groudon

[fading bone]

how do u deal with calyrex ice with this team

https://pokepast.es/9262a099bb21bf34

[left bobcat]

just gotta pray

[fading bone]

pray u dont run into it? makes me feel better cause the matchup can be very upsetting

[left bobcat]

oh i run into it a lot

[solid frigate]

should be alright if you play around it

My Pagos Team has 3 Ice weak and still doing well

[left bobcat]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2274624294-cphk61ncg0d2t8urn9gw6ym6u0cmexspw

it doesnt always got like that tho

[next stump]

i would imagine a mix of utilizing double fake out pokémon + setting up on terapagos to beat it

and then booster energy fluttermane is a nice check to their Urshifu if they have one

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/56415fe42669ac76 are there any mu’s I need to keep an eye out for with this beyond CIR?

[craggy dagger]

i mean
technically groudon?

[shadow wind]

😈

[molten oasis]

Y

[coral thistle]

Yeah but difference is ice is just a bad type

[foggy lodge]

Caly Ice doesn't exist lol

[tiny marten]

what team should I use for battle tower??

(sword and shield)

[coral thistle]

I honestly don’t know if ur being serious lol

[left bobcat]

I’m gonna pretend like I didn’t see that

[coral thistle]

I mean, if you can’t beat a prevelant team then something needs changing.

[left bobcat]

Just use incin and gholdengo

[coral thistle]

It’s ok losing to an off-meta mess but if you keep running into that same team and losing, it’s a composition problem or decision making problem.

[solid frigate]

bro is trolling

[left bobcat]

But ice types are the worst

Well actually not THE worst

[solid frigate]

How can you say Ice is the worst when there is Poison and Bug.

[left bobcat]

Look at the statement above

I corrected myself

[solid frigate]

too late

[left bobcat]

…..

[coral thistle]

Bro, ice is C tier typing

one of the worst

Absolutely terrible defensive coverage

[left bobcat]

Defensively it’s pretty bad

[solid frigate]

Bro forgets why Ice Type is Ice Type

[left bobcat]

Ice types only resist one thing

[coral thistle]

Ice types sole purpose was to keep dragon types in check… until fairy existed

[left bobcat]

Ngl I made a pretty dumb move when I use irons hands using ice punch

[coral thistle]

🤷‍♂️

[left bobcat]

I ice punched a gliscor that switched out into glaceon

Crazy I hate glaceon with the only typing it resists

[coral thistle]

Ice just isn’t good brother

There are better types that do the same job

[left bobcat]

It’s a good surprise move tho

[craggy dagger]

fire and ground weak + surging strikes dampen
i say technically since you have the damage output to deal with groudon teams but likeeee

[left bobcat]

Chance of freezing something

But yeah it’s still bad

[solid frigate]

Ice Types glow up in gen 9:

• Decent Offensive Coverage
• Snow Buff
• Actually Good Ice Type Attackers that stays good in some meta like Bax in Low Power format,Chien Pao for high power format

[craggy dagger]

Glaceon best ice type

[left bobcat]

So now I just use thunder punch, drain punch, heavy slam, and fake out

[solid frigate]

also Ice and Ground (Aka what CIR always Run)

Is the best Offensive type coverage

its suppose to be a Attacking type

[left bobcat]

The best ice types are those with snow cloak, slush rush, and Calyrex

[coral thistle]

Let me ask you one question, name one good Pokémon that sets up snow

[left bobcat]

Tornadus

[spiral ridge]

a9

[fading bone]

is pokemon showdown more for theorycrafting/limit testing? i tried playing some on console and the amount of animations really made it way less fun and i prefer showdown now. is this a common sentiment

[solid frigate]

Literally These two alone is enough

[spiral ridge]

whatever you like most is fine honestly

[left bobcat]

Yeah I don’t really play the actual game now

[coral thistle]

Ain’t nobody using tornadus to set up snow

Hell nah

[left bobcat]

Unless your team is a snow team then yes

[spiral ridge]

a9 was used in reg H quite a healthy amount

[fading bone]

ok thank u and also tbghanjks for not hitting me with some weird reg bs lol like "well the regs are different rn"

[left bobcat]

Just like how torn is also in the rain teams

[solid frigate]

That Blizzard Kyogre Team:

[next stump]

common sentiment, showdown is way more efficient

[left bobcat]

And sun teams but whims is the better option

[spiral ridge]

idk how wed do that over just where youre playing a reg from 😭

[chrome knot]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2274684783-c6n9et65w178bqow4kkee8rwcyx9xqmpw

[fading bone]

is there a team that is better for ladder? Like im using tourney pokepastes but they are designed for best of 3 format

[solid frigate]

Kyogre has a Dual Weather Team in Japan

In Blizzard Kyogre Team

[chrome knot]

im a fweak

[fading bone]

also been practiicng reg g just assumed people would know that for some reason lol mb

[coral thistle]

And imo, a9 is NOT a good snow setter

[spiral ridge]

theres a BO3 format on showdown love

with OTS, just like tournaments

[fading bone]

aint no way

[left bobcat]

For a second I thought that was me

[fading bone]

f meeee

[spiral ridge]

bro its right there

[fading bone]

i thought that was an acronym for black ops 3

what is wrong with me

[foggy lodge]

what

[spiral ridge]

yknow fair enough good game

i love BO3 that shit was gas

[left bobcat]

…….

[fading bone]

ya i got dark matter on that im 23 btw lol im not a child even tho thats so dumb

[coral thistle]

Bo3 should stay in tournament

[spiral ridge]

bro you dont gotta keep covering your ass from shit no ones assuming youre good man 😭

[spiral ridge]

its for people to practise tournament style and some prefer it

[coral thistle]

That do it on a link match imo

[solid frigate]

which is probably thr best way to understand Comp in actual tournaments settings

[left bobcat]

Yeah but you have a point and you have a reason for that to happen and I think you have to do something to make sure you get the money out and that you’re paying the bills

[lofty tartan]

BO3 teams should do just fine in bo1 CTS.

[left bobcat]

Oops

[fading bone]

hmmm i am moba gamer but pokemon like im conflicted i am way too inexperienced to do tourneys for them to make sense, but also id just grind ladder for clout for nobody so i should probably jyust do bo3 style and maybe try doing a tourney and findout im a prodigy

[spiral ridge]

wha?

[left bobcat]

Ah so you’re feeling conflicted

[spiral ridge]

its fine to do B03 on showdown

[solid frigate]

im convinced He’s either trolling or doing Hot takes challenge

[coral thistle]

If you want to practice tournament style rules, do it with someone else in a private match

[left bobcat]

Misusing you’re influence

[spiral ridge]

tournaments you just face random people
why not face random people online

[left bobcat]

Yeah

[fading bone]

i agree practicing tourney style

[coral thistle]

Nah, it’s not trolling, it’s about not making online too sweaty

[foggy lodge]

Just let people play whatever they want lol

[left bobcat]

Because what are the odds you’ll run into anything that isn’t horse

[spiral ridge]

in the off chance hes not might as well helkp

[spiral ridge]

online literally has a mmr system and ladder, its made to be competitive

[coral thistle]

Bro, the guy who is an ice type defender CANNOT be saying IM trolling

[left bobcat]

I’ve played 10 games today, of those 10 games 7/10 were Calyrex

[solid frigate]

either that or Trolling how about that lmao

[fading bone]

was this in reference to me @solid frigate

[spiral ridge]

there is a place to see who the top players internatioanlly online on showdown are

[solid frigate]

nah you are fine

[fading bone]

im genuinely just fried off 100 terapagos games

[spiral ridge]

showdown hosts smogon and many other tournaments
its made to be sweaty love

[fading bone]

word

[coral thistle]

Yes, but the ladder is the perfect middle point between casual and competitive matches

[fading bone]

yeah online should b e sewaty

[left bobcat]

Absolutely

[coral thistle]

If you’re that bothered about studying the game… showdown

[left bobcat]

Then again what game isn’t sweaty online

[fading bone]

its just studying idk what ur talking about u want oppon ents to play optimally

[spiral ridge]

so what is wrong with BO3

[next stump]

https://tenor.com/view/skibi-di-gif-3127588730399978483

[lofty tartan]

Lol what. It's ranked ladder. You want casual, sir

[solid frigate]

Tell me how many Matches in Reg G have you See Chien Pao and CIR lmao

[foggy lodge]

me when the competitive game is competitive

[lofty tartan]

Imo we should do away with casual ladders. Make it all ranked

[foggy lodge]

Does casual ladder even exists

[next stump]

people pay hundreds or thousands of dollars to attend real life tournaments, god forbid they have a format that gives them the most competitive practice available

[coral thistle]

It’s a ladder, it’s not a tournament, that imo is very different. Flame me all you want, I think it’s fine staying as it is

[foggy lodge]

I know there is like just a casual matchmaking

[coral thistle]

Bro the casual ladder IS ranked

[spiral ridge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHGzmYMasfU

[solid frigate]

The IBILIS TRIGGER

[foggy lodge]

I mean ladder is way more different than tournaments

[coral thistle]

No stakes, no salt, no prep time, just old fashioned fisticuffs

That is ranked

[spiral ridge]

i think people just coming to play a certain format and not worry about doing good and just playing and messing about aint wrong

[foggy lodge]

One thing is winning a set bo3 in your computer and another is winning one in person

[spiral ridge]

people can see score or rank and be discouraged to just have fun sometimes

[foggy lodge]

It doesn't means that is not a good practice before that moment comes lol

[solid frigate]

yeah agreed

[spiral ridge]

good point is there a casual ladder i dont think ive seen that lol

i cant remember

[solid frigate]

even then the casual Matchmaking is just spam whatever is good(Aka Restricteds without Team comp)

in Cart btw

[foggy lodge]

But casual cart ladder doesn't exist

[lofty tartan]

Yall hang so hard on semantics. I said ladder as a blanket term. My man wants casual play.

[foggy lodge]

Its only a matchmaking

It doesn't eve register wins and losses

[spiral ridge]

i was just repeating what you said i just dont think theres a casual thing is there

[left bobcat]

Ughhhh

[lofty tartan]

Cannot believe you guys took that one phrase and ran to the end of the earth with it

[left bobcat]

Pretty much

[solid frigate]

thats what we do in conp chat

[lofty tartan]

Yeah it's the non-ranked doubles format on cart

[coral thistle]

You wanna go test a team, go ranked, if you lose 10 games in a row, so what? Big deal, change your team around and queue up next day. You’re acting as if ranked ladder is hyper competitive anyway, the ladder is a joke until high master ball.

[left bobcat]

Friends, lettuce focus blast on the matter at HELPING hand

[spiral ridge]

ohhh i forgot that existed in cart, never used it personally lol

[lofty tartan]

It's the wild west. Anything goes no rules. So you can run six restricted and lose because your team is bad lmao

[spiral ridge]

really, that sounds awesome

[solid frigate]

Lmao true

[left bobcat]

I hate it but mostly those guys are light work

[coral thistle]

But oh well, I shouldn’t even bother

[left bobcat]

Irony is those guys are pretty bad

[lofty tartan]

I ran into CSR/Mewtwo snow psyspam on casual before Reg G was officially in. It was garbage lmfao

Mewtwo gets Blizzard.

Still trash lol

[coral thistle]

Reg H is the best reg this game has ever had tbh

[left bobcat]

Someone was using zacian with wo chien

[solid frigate]

Yeah Mewtwo gets lots of move but just get fucked by CSR cuz thats a straigh upgrade

[lofty tartan]

They ran both lmao.

I was testing Kyurem-White and they lost hard. Kyurem needs work to do well, even.

We need a restricted snow setter

[solid frigate]

yeah i think if you ask Drago about it he tried pretty hard on Kyurem White

and Double Freezed me Twice-

[lofty tartan]

I tried at the beginning of Reg G before he was on it xD

[next stump]

restricted snow setter would be sick

[solid frigate]

Sauce

[next stump]

fuck it just give a combo ability to kyurem

[lofty tartan]

Yes Dillon

[solid frigate]

we need one for Snow and Sand

GROUDON SHOULD BE SAND-

[chrome knot]

@lofty tartan its time for me to woman..

[fading bone]

2-0 my first bo3

[chrome knot]

(i got prescribed progesterone)

[solid frigate]

eyyyyyyy

[fading bone]

enemy ludo missed muddy water twice on 5 percent incen

pog

[lofty tartan]

Oh awesome. Did you start yet?

[chrome knot]

tomorrow

[coral thistle]

I was wondering how many people that would tilt

[lofty tartan]

I'm currently fighting for my shots again 😓

[chrome knot]

i got prescribed like 20mins after store closed lmfao

[lofty tartan]

Good luck! It's a huge turning point for you

[coral thistle]

Nu-uh

No more

[lofty tartan]

I called my apothecary to refill my injections and they told me the rx expired. I take it monthly so it shouldn't be expiring now that I'm going to maintenance doses

It's a lot easier to have an incurable disease than it is to treat one

Despite The treatments being plentiful.

But yeah hoping we get a snow or sand setting restricted in gen 10 or 11 🤞

[left bobcat]

☝️🤓

[coral thistle]

Got more of a chance of reg H becoming standard

[left bobcat]

Reg h was eh

It was good that the power level went down

And seeing all sorts of things

[coral thistle]

I dunno what you mean? I love restricteds!

[lofty tartan]

Reg H was a lot of fun.

[left bobcat]

I wouldn’t have a problem with restricteds if it weren’t for those damn horses

[coral thistle]

I think you just delete every restricted tbh

[left bobcat]

Reg g 2024 that was sorta the case

[coral thistle]

Tbf, I’ve never been a fan of the multiple regulations per year.

[solid frigate]

Reg G is Mid and Reg H is Meh

[left bobcat]

Basically

[solid frigate]

Reg F is Peak

[left bobcat]

Ngl tho when reg h was around Urshifu not being there felt- odd

[lofty tartan]

I'm more excited for fresh regulations rather than rehashed ones. Reg G was fun the first time. Lukewarm the second. Looking forward to Reg I

[next stump]

i think we are in for a long Regulation I

[coral thistle]

Bro, the same strategies will always be there

[foggy lodge]

I have to make my tier list of regs

[coral thistle]

Here’s me waiting for the removal of trick room… hehehe

[foggy lodge]

But i've never found one

[solid frigate]

i rather go back to Reg F than Reg A(Reg H’s Predecessor)

[coral thistle]

Doubt it would do much, everyone uses the same team anyway

[foggy lodge]

My list would be like

1. Reg G 2. Reg F 3. Reg B 4. Reg E 5. Reg C 6. Reg H 7. Reg A

[solid frigate]

Do we tell him about Worlds 2024

[coral thistle]

Alright man, it was one time!

[next stump]

REG G LETS GO

[spiral ridge]

one time with the best players

[left bobcat]

Yeah reg f everyone was just using the same thing

[solid frigate]

oh yeah and 2014 Worlds?

[left bobcat]

You’re either on one side and the other

[spiral ridge]

bro went a full decade fucking back

[foggy lodge]

hell yeah reg g

[coral thistle]

Even then, it wasn’t THAT different

[solid frigate]

[foggy lodge]

i really like this meta ngl

[spiral ridge]

people bring unique shit to worlds and regionals, it just can also be that they arent as good as the main thing, either by comp or pilot

[coral thistle]

Bro, if reg H stayed, I wouldn’t be mad

[foggy lodge]

It has broken things and its not perfect but it has been my favorite so far

[spiral ridge]

i am sad with myself i didnt try more teams that came as reg H evolved, lots of them looked really interesting

[coral thistle]

Well, it’s just same old, do meta or counter meta

[foggy lodge]

if reg H would have stayed i would just have forced me to like it in someway

Or atleast not suffer all the time with it

[coral thistle]

Hey, hot take, I like no restricteds 😨

[solid frigate]

1.Reg F(Perfect Meta)
2.Reg E(No Bolt and Archa?)
3.Reg B(Solid)
4.Reg G(Too Rotational in MUs)
5.Reg H
6.Reg D(Happened too early)
7.Reg A

[coral thistle]

There was no perfect reg

[fading bone]

aye just won my second game of bo3

[foggy lodge]

Good luck trainer

[solid frigate]

He is learning

[coral thistle]

Hmm, doesn’t do justice imo, if it’s not your own

[foggy lodge]

Its a fun ladder

[fading bone]

i prefer it

i do tilted shit and gamble when ots solos like way over think it

[foggy lodge]

Sometimes is draining imo but i think the recompense is bigger

[coral thistle]

That is the last resort, copying

Euhh.. just makes me shudder

[spiral ridge]

man
people exist smarter than me and you in this game
a lotta shit i wouldnt think to make something out of and it actually be good, call it copying idc if it looks fun ima try it

i wouldnt think charizard jumpluff duo like any day lmfao

[lofty tartan]

It's not like there's honor or bonus points for taking an "original" team in pokemon. People like to win when they're competing at big events so they'll take what works/what's strong, more often than not

[solid frigate]

also Copying in VGC is not a sin lmao

[coral thistle]

If you want to, Sky’s the limit, I just like making my own teams

[foggy lodge]

I think i should have used the arubega rain with Ursa Archa Peli Sinistcha seemed fun

[coral thistle]

I find it much more rewarding

[lofty tartan]

"copying" happens in any remotely similar competitive field. Look at TCGs

[foggy lodge]

My only problem with it is scale shot dnite i hate that set so much

[solid frigate]

oh yeah thats even more copying lol

[coral thistle]

Yes, but that’s also part of the reason life gets drained out of a game

[foggy lodge]

Like feels way better now that i don't have to click scale shot

[coral thistle]

Innovation leads the future

[lofty tartan]

It's got a name and it's not a negative thing. It's net decking and it comes with the territory

[spiral ridge]

i wouldnt say everyone running the same CIR core with different surrounding mons is copying the first original core

[lofty tartan]

When you're talking about real life stuff that isn't metagaming in pokemon

[coral thistle]

That wasn’t point, I was on about bar for bar

[solid frigate]

bro tries to be Professor Turo

[coral thistle]

Hey man, it’s true

[coral thistle]

Hahaha, look, that’s where I find my enjoyment most

The winning is sick, doing it with your own creation, that’s what memories are made of

[lofty tartan]

[solid frigate]

[coral thistle]

If it makes you happy, be my guest, but even if it takes me weeks to draw up something, imo it’s worth

[lofty tartan]

You could be using those weeks to get real practice instead of sitting in a builder.

[coral thistle]

Just gotta start early xD

[solid frigate]

I rather knowing The Skill than sitting in a builder and not improving

[coral thistle]

You act like team building isn’t a core part of competitive play

That’s literally a skill you need

[lofty tartan]

Teambuilding is an advanced skill that comes from experience and knowledge.

[solid frigate]

and i copied Luca Ceribelli’s Miraidon Team just replace Shifu with Crown and that got me 1500+

[coral thistle]

And where do you get that experience?

[lofty tartan]

By playing

[coral thistle]

By building more teams…

[lofty tartan]

No

[solid frigate]

And Analyse Board State

what happens if you are in Grassy Terrain as Miraidon?

[coral thistle]

Brother, the cycle is simple, build a team, lab the team, analyse the team’s strengths and weaknesses, adjust the team, map it… move onto next

[lofty tartan]

If you don't have any concept of the game, what's relevant, current metagame trends, you're just slapping six mons together and calling it a team.

I ain't your brother lol

[coral thistle]

You are now

👍

[lofty tartan]

No. I have a brother.

[solid frigate]

and the core Mechanic of the Team needs to be understood and do that by Playing and Understand the concept

[coral thistle]

If you ain’t enjoying what you’re doing, don’t do it at all

[lofty tartan]

Most people think they're better teambuilders than players and really they're not because the teams are half baked and reliant on outside information to be effective 🤷

[coral thistle]

Or maybe, people just like the theory of the game?

[solid frigate]

Mika thats like Every Rando that joined in and show their team

[lofty tartan]

So if you're a poor player you're a poor teambuilder as a result and should focus more on player skill than building

[molten oasis]

I mean, sure, but it’s groudon

Who’s playing groudon all that much that isn’t Connor

[solid frigate]

LMAO

[rustic mountain]

thats like wen ppl call me buddy im like im not ur buddy

[lofty tartan]

I'm gonna play Groudon and be number 2