LETS goooooooooooooooo
#competitive_discussion
bold geode
He talked about Kobe?
torn parrot
shadow wind
He talked about Kobe?
You don’t know the black mamba?
bold geode
There another black mamba?
Only person for me that comes to mind when I see black mamba is Kobe Bryant bro
shadow wind
It isn’t a person
bold geode
So you're talking about a snake
shadow wind
Nah a team
bold geode
What?
shadow wind
It’s a team
bold geode
That don't answer shit
solid frigate
LETS goooooooooooooooo
IRON CROWN GOES HARD
torn parrot
IRON CROWN GOES HARD
What’s the team you’ve been using?
solid frigate
nope that guy replaced Rilla for Peli
solid frigate
wait lol
i forgot to use a move so Ivy Cudgel is used
now i have to climb back to 1500
polar canyon
Is pawmot that bad
strange fjord
running into everyone i know on ladder this week
polar canyon
I'm looking at fake out users
torn parrot
No pawmot isn’t that bad
solid frigate
Is pawmot that bad
well yes unless you are Maya
polar canyon
Fake out electroweb coaching looks cool tbh
strange fjord
revival blessing 👀
polar canyon
Yeah that too
polar canyon
Yeah that's like needed
I remember using it back in like the first season
The main gimmick I had with it was just that it outspeeds garchomp and has iron fist ice punch
It was mostly pointless but kinda funny
solid frigate
yeah my games are more sloppier now
torn parrot
Why’s that?
shadow wind
running into everyone i know on ladder this week
Cause you're goated
strange fjord
probably because people outplay me or just my stupid decisions
dont get burnt out on battles and take a break every once in a while
solid frigate
dont get burnt out on battles and take a break every once in a while
i'm not even burnt out
solid frigate
Holy they cooked that
Hands is right there lmao
shadow wind
Literally
solid frigate
They were cookin
sight reading is 0
foggy lodge
shadow wind
Zamazenta games are always interesting for me
I hate it when they have wide guard and protect
chrome knot
imma just click buttons
plain drum
It do be a non-0% chance of success
real prairie
Could have been me lol
shadow wind
It's how I feel whenever I see another Groudon
torn parrot
@shadow wind let’s build ludicolo teams
Full circle
shadow wind
😭
torn parrot
Jk lol
real prairie
<@638505796476469249> let’s build ludicolo teams
Full circle
Evil lol
shadow wind
Maybe if this was 2014
shadow wind
Nah I used to make mad Ludicolo teams
real prairie
So not sad
shadow wind
Back in Reg F
torn parrot
Tbh, it's all love for ludicolo
Your fuckin rad for killing it with ludicolo
real prairie
Fake out + encore is kinda broken lol
shadow wind
😔
real prairie
Fake out + encore is kinda broken lol
People want to protect and then get trapped 🤣
real prairie
But also... Kyogre?
Unfortunately so, the whale is an enabler
real prairie
Kyogre? Yeah it's my nuke. Either helping hand tera water water spout, water spout + fake tears or fake out water spouts
shadow wind
Man Kyogre seems easy to play 😔
You just get a 150 BP 100% acc weather boosted stab move
torn parrot
Kyogre trick room teams got me fucked up
shadow wind
Is it the one with skill swap Farig?
foggy lodge
You just get a 150 BP 100% acc weather boosted stab move
Imagine if there was a really fast mon with anti prio ability that has speed control
that would be so broken with Kyogre
but i think the best option is scarf icy wind bruxish xd
shadow wind
Did you have fun?
The second time around
torn parrot
The first time I was like
shadow wind
It's also sash Farig
shadow wind
Didn't it hit #1?
torn parrot
I wouldn’t be surprised
shadow wind
Karamingo or something right?
torn parrot
It’s really frusterating to play against
plain drum
He’s having a good time
real prairie
this is the full wallpaper lol
plain drum
A classic
real prairie
may add a few more mons into it at some point, but its good enough for now
i have no idea why this weird platapus pineapple became my favourite pokemon but we move
polar canyon
Yall is it usually better when dumping extra evs into hp to do like 4 on each defense?
As in like with 100 leftover evs should you do 100 hp or 92 hp 4 def 4 spd
shadow wind
I think it depends on the pokemons stats
But I'm not 100% sure
Like a pokemon with higher base hp would appreciate more defense and a pokemon with higher base defenses would appreciate more hp
I think
polar canyon
https://pokepast.es/8d56277073abd2d3
chat am I cooked
I wanna do the thing where you win the weather war no matter what because only your weather ability works
Like koraidon being actually at a favorable matchup vs kyogre torn because drizzle doesn't work and koraidon outspeeds torn and prankster doesn't work
polar canyon
https://pokepast.es/8d56277073abd2d3
chat am I cooked
Not sure if I wanna do raging bolt bc I'm still concerned about the groudon matchup
I probably wanna improve the team for when I'm not bringing korai too
Chi yu flutter?
shadow wind
Not sure if I wanna do raging bolt bc I'm still concerned about the groudon matc...
What Groudon MU?
Just hit him with anything special
He literally sets the sun up for you
solid frigate
Happy new year from UK
polar canyon
What Groudon MU?
Weezing and 2 electric types would be awkward idk
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
molten oasis
y'all think booster moon being faster than eleki is worthwhile?
shadow wind
Yes
brittle egret
Wow so maushold and mimikyu actually work together great on a singles team
mint void
What
@brittle egret just PSA: This chat is mainly VGC focused, this means the in game doubles format. We dont really know whats cool with the kids in singles.
We can try help you if you want sure. But the Smogon server is probably better for Singles
polar nest
I havent touched vgc in a while and am now realized reg h is coming to a close rip to the goated reg 🫡
mighty stump
“Goated”
mint void
@polar nest i think thats a controversial opinion here
But I agree I liked H
But Im getting to enjoy Reg G now with these boys
chrome knot
tofu
mint void
Spreads arent good you should work on them
mighty stump
https://pokepast.es/72b7c9ec1a310a9f
That is…interesting…
mint void
Koraidon isnok but probably needs clear amulet
polar nest
Koraidon isnok but probably needs clear amulet
mint void
Idk I wouldn't like 3 choice items in 1 team but thats just me
chrome knot
happy 2024 still
polar nest
I didnt even notice that
mighty stump
happy 2024 still
im in the future trust my calls
polar nest
https://tenor.com/view/stupid-stupid-people-small-brain-idiot-fool-gif-16036008
i am this
mighty stump
tera fire choice specs wo chien
polar nest
yes
polar nest
tera fire choice specs wo chien
building this rn
mint void
https://pokepast.es/72b7c9ec1a310a9f
TailWind imprison probably is useless
polar nest
how
mint void
Most Tailwind setters run Prankster or arr way faster than Moltres
So they TW before u can Imprison
polar nest
o ok
mint void
Idk if Im lucky but i feel safety googles are a scam
polar nest
Most Tailwind setters run Prankster or arr way faster than Moltres
what do i replace it with
mint void
I have faced 1 Amoonguss and that was a fast set for some reason
@polar nest Protect and Foulplay over Imprison and TW
Or just Protect over Imprison
@polar nest gimme a min imma do sth
mint void
@polar nest 1 min
Changed the sets to a more standard route
Didnt wanna change more than that. EVs take to long that has to be you.
T-wes (Moltres-Galar) @ Black Glasses/Covert Cloak
Ability: Berserk
Level: 50
EVs: Bulk, SpA bump Modest, find a good speed tier(maybe outspeed specific peli)
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Grass
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Fiery Wrath
- Foul Play
- Taunt
- Tailwind/Protect
Optional set
(i dont run GMoltres)
T-wes (Moltres-Galar) @ Black Glasses
Ability: Berserk
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 148 HP / 20 Def / 156 SpA / 4 SpD / 180 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Fiery Wrath
- Foul Play
- Taunt
- Tailwind
Full set(no damage calcs) Out speeds min speed investment Torn and Timid Peli. Probably should also hit some other things or could have less idk
140 speed EV is popular(for min Pelipper), so run 148 lol
(probs not worth it cause a mirror is unlikely)
polar nest
k thx
mint void
i have a better EV spread <:YangyangStare:979671291495849984>
I hope so. That one is just slapped on it 5 secs
craggy dagger
252 SpA Flutter Mane Moonblast vs. ### HP / ## SpD Moltres-Galar: 134-162 (69.4 - 83.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Tera Fairy Miraidon Dazzling Gleam vs. ### / ## SpD Moltres-Galar: 168-200 (87 - 103.6%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO
solid frigate
What the fuck am i seeing with that Koraidon Team-
plain drum
Did we ever figure out what the fabled Black Mamba team was
mint void
What the fuck am i seeing with that Koraidon Team-
Rude. Mans trying to make a team for himself
Is there a ground legy besides groudon and lando?
No right?
mint void
Wha
solid frigate
Swsh?
mint void
Yes
solid frigate
wait what are you doing-
mint void
DA
solid frigate
then it should be 3 right cuz Lando and Zygarde
mint void
Yes
solid frigate
ok so yeah make sense its 50/50
mint void
But i have groudon saved so i shouldn't get him afaik
solid frigate
yeah
mint void
Idk what the randoms are doing
They are dodging a water mon and a grass mon for fighting a d normal
Grass wont be super effective but probably still resist if its zygarde
And water is good into both since they often have ice moves too
dull ibex
happy new year
happy new year!
shadow wind
This is kinda old but I did hit 7th, I then immediately lost 4 games in a row
But hey
Peak 7th is not something I usually do
versed blaze
Best comp team?
versed blaze
Which mode do you play?
Doubles
mint void
VGC rule set?
If so: The top dogs are Calyrex Ice and Shadow as well as Terapagos and Miraidon
Solid are Kyogre, Zamazenta
Koraidon, Groudon(if ur name is Conner), Zacian are playable
The other ones are really rare and probably also not good
mint void
Anyone need shiny Incin?
molten oasis
nope
molten oasis
fair enough
mighty stump
Happy New Years
polar canyon
It's like still so baffling to me that they gave shadow rider 100 hp 100 spdef
When it's meant to be the frail speedy powerhouse one
Felt the same way back in gen 8 with zacian having 115 defenses for some reason
Hello fellas
What's a cool wide guard user that's not peli or mienshao
knotty mirage
It's like still so baffling to me that they gave shadow rider 100 hp 100 spdef
I mean they also made fluttermane who have insane sp def for something supposed to be frail so wth
polar nest
Koraidon, Groudon(if ur name is Conner), Zacian are playable
so my name is conner?
polar canyon
At least that one has the 55 hp and def
polar nest
im tryna make koraidon work
polar canyon
Same
mint void
@polar nest Groudon
polar canyon
I mean it can work in just tryna find my way for it
next stump
Koraidon is sick
polar nest
<@1179918698560106509> Groudon
o
polar nest
Koraidon is sick
yeaaaa
polar canyon
I saw ability shield koraidon + weezing once so I'm stealing that idea
polar nest
this is what i got https://pokepast.es/fbcd6fc4ed06648b
polar canyon
https://pokepast.es/ad96342a4aa50efc
here's mine
polar nest
I saw ability shield koraidon + weezing once so I'm stealing that idea
oo thats cool
i saw that but with pagos
mighty stump
Why are you Heat Crash
polar nest
is there a better fire move?
mighty stump
Flare Blitz…
polar nest
i thought korai was a hefty heavy boi
polar canyon
this is what i got https://pokepast.es/fbcd6fc4ed06648b
Looks like groudon food
polar nest
aw man 😦
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
mighty stump
Its only 303kg
polar nest
ok
polar canyon
It looks like a lot but a lot of what it wants to hit is heavier
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
polar canyon
Yeah
polar canyon
This looks
Listen it's been a while
mighty stump
Yall
polar nest
https://pokepast.es/ad96342a4aa50efc
here's mine
mind if i steal this?
polar nest
Listen it's been a while
same here
polar canyon
Sure? I don't think it's good yet anyways
mighty stump
Your Koraidon paste did not inspire confidence in that statement
mint void
ŌoŌ
polar canyon
Well what could I add or change about mine?
I saw fake out coaching electroweb and thought yeah I'm gonna put pawmot in there
mighty stump
You kinda just locked yourself out of some compositions cause of Weezing being there
mint void
@polar canyon regieleki is just a better eweber
polar canyon
No fake out
polar nest
Your Koraidon paste did not inspire confidence in that statement
....
mighty stump
Incineroar would have been your main FO mon on most Weezing teams but you can't do that cause you gave Ability Shield to Koraidon
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
polar canyon
Aw
polar canyon
Didn't notice
polar nest
k
polar canyon
Thanks
polar nest
yw
polar canyon
yw
Btw weezing spdef is for no rain mystic water water spout from kyogre
Speed is for in case anyone is running max speed jolly caly ice
Maybe I'm being overly cautious with that one
And korai just outspeeds whimsicott which can be cool when it has no prankster
polar nest
Btw weezing spdef is for no rain mystic water water spout from kyogre
thx for that
gentle cragBOT
thx for that
agplays_ has given 1 Gen Rep to campfire__
polar nest
i have never done all the calculations for that cuz idk how
and its prolly why i am bad at this game
polar canyon
You just use one of them calculator sites
polar nest
that exists?
polar canyon
and its prolly why i am bad at this game
Probably not
polar canyon
that exists?
Yeah you think people actually do all the math for everything?
polar nest
polar canyon
That would be insane
polar nest
Yeah you think people actually do all the math for everything?
no but like
polar nest
k thank you
polar canyon
Actually having the right moves strategies and team composition matters more for winning than small tweaks like optimizing living certain moves or specific speed creeps though
That's not the thing that's gonna suddenly make you start winning
left bobcat
Yeah
left bobcat
Ok
mighty stump
Actually having the right moves strategies and team composition matters more for...
Deliberate intent in all regards is important
Better clarity = better judgement = better plays
Innovation can occur from those small tweaks
polar canyon
Yeah for sure I'm just explaining that it's probably not the trick that's missing for him to start winning more
polar nest
Yeah for sure I'm just explaining that it's probably not the trick that's missin...
yea i understand that
i have never made it to masterball, alot i get to rank 10 on ultra ball and then i win one then loose one and i stay there
but i also know bo1 cts and bo3 ots are very different
mighty stump
I would say that means there are some basics you need to work on
polar nest
hmm, like what?
mighty stump
Depends. Understanding opposing gameplans and matchups, considering picks and leads, execution of your own gameplans and basic decision making would be there. Additionally there are potential points within the teambuilding aspect as well that may need to be addressed.
I would say almost any team can get into Masterball and difficulty doing so generally points towards piloting as the main issue.
Also general safe play
polar nest
ah
mighty stump
Win-one-lose-one also shows inconsistency in execution
polar nest
i do feel as though i am always unsure if my team is bad or i am bad after i lose a lot
mighty stump
Then take the guesswork out of it: The reason established rentals are recommended is to remove the dubiousness of a team
This lets you filter whether its the play thats the issue
polar nest
ok
mighty stump
If there is lacking in both then its hard to to tell
polar nest
then ill find a good reg g rental then ill play like 10 games with it
polar nest
ok
thats gonna take a hot minute
i found a miraidon iron crown from torrentaegis
imma give that a shot
mighty stump
No offense to Torrent but I wouldn't consider that a solid team if he built it from scratch
polar nest
o
mighty stump
Go check the repository
polar nest
ok ill pick a different one
mighty stump
mighty stump
Pick what you want from there - I would trust it
mighty stump
Well - use some discretion.
mighty stump
Save replays and review them
chrome knot
tooooofu
charred saddle
animal perfume samples? 
chrome knot
whatthe
mighty stump
Its from a fragrance house called Zoologist
No animal products are used
But its more thematic than anything
charred saddle
i mean do they smell like animal
charred saddle
damn. it would be interesting to hear
"you smell like an elephant"
but its a cool theme
mighty stump
Bee, Macaque, and Cow are my favourite
Bee has an intoxicating sweet warm manuka honey scent
Macaque is like a temple in the middle of an apple orchard
and Cow is like lush green pastures after rain with flowers
chrome knot
<:poliwhirlkek:932149535311015988> damn. it would be interesting to hear
"you s...
LMAO
dull ibex
Vc?
left bobcat
CV?
bold geode
PVC?
left bobcat
There’s no safe like simply safe
bold geode
nobody asked YOU
Good
I wasn't gonna
dull ibex
Good
I wasn't gonna
jealous of my minecrafter knowledge
bold geode
jealous of my minecrafter knowledge
Not jealous cuz I know that was a package deal with your extra chromes
bold geode
Shit yourself
left bobcat
Guys
timber falcon
https://pokepast.es/30de7b97b93f8d54 thoughts here?
mighty stump
https://pokepast.es/30de7b97b93f8d54 thoughts here?
Tera Fire = lose to Lando
timber falcon
im seeing quite a few wisp incins though thats why
but i see why thats a problem too
any suggestions?
timber falcon
so does fire tera still work
mighty stump
I don't like the idea of keeping the Ground weak.
Dodge wisp then youre open to Scarfshifu
mighty stump
Ik you have WG but just keep in mind that makes you open to Calyrex
And still, yk, Knock Off Incin
I mean you should have the tools to deal with that
I just feel its a positioning thing
timber falcon
ill just practice that more ig
i feel like my positioning is really losing me a truck ton of games
when choosing my first 4, what should i be considering?
mighty stump
when choosing my first 4, what should i be considering?
Matchup, key mons in said MU, ideal position to reach and how to get there
Well thats me
Idk if thats even correct
Works for me every time though
chrome knot
cornerstone ogerpon is the best in the game @mighty stump
torn parrot
OOGA BOOGA
Conner is determined to keep climbing but ladder is hell
So Im chilling
chrome knot
pizza time
torn parrot
I want pizzzaaaaa
small scaffold
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/66a0ea6b24ac728a do i keep sandsear on lando here or go another move? I dont really click it and everytime i do it misses
clever parcel
Whats the thoughts on av gastrodon
W some bs moves like counter/mirror coat
left bobcat
La noche
left bobcat
Whats the thoughts on av gastrodon
W some bs moves like counter/mirror coat
Eh just use leftovers
torn parrot
the ladder is hella slow today i played i won 4 times but each win was +13-15 ):
thin ima take this a bit more at my own pace
instead of all at once
dense latch
https://pokepast.es/66a0ea6b24ac728a do i keep sandsear on lando here or go anot...
problem with lando is that there’s not many moves to pick from to replace it with
maybe try sub and see if you’re clicking it much
molten oasis
Sub or Tera blast are my only thoughts lol
forest arrow
subs or tera
molten oasis
I don’t have the disruption for sub tho
dense latch
sandsear can come in clutch sometimes
molten oasis
And Tera blast, isn’t that useful with steel lmao
dense latch
it’s nice as a last resort wincon
molten oasis
sandsear can come in clutch sometimes
It misses for me so much lol
dense latch
lmao same
but it’s probably the move that’ll get you the most value out of the available options
molten oasis
Fair enough
left bobcat
Nair enough
chrome knot
all this for a ursh
molten oasis
lol what
chrome knot
all done
molten oasis
Oh you caught it in a love ball ic
fading bone
Anyone have some fun team rental codes
polar canyon
Geezing is cool, actually
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2273333134
left bobcat
Geezing is cool, actually
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-22...
That was me
HOW DARE YOU
I’m kidding 
fading bone
what is good sh9wdown elo\
torn parrot
You’ve heard of assault vest rillaboom but have you heard of the fabled safty goggles rillaboom, making you immune to powder moves
But if you think that’s clever, I want you to imagine air balloon tornadus, for one single turn you can be immune to ground type moves and terrain won’t affect you
dense latch
You’ve heard of assault vest rillaboom but have you heard of the fabled safty go...
nonsense, why would i waste my air balloon on torn
rotom fan needs it way more
torn parrot
nonsense, why would i waste my air balloon on torn
rotom fan needs it way more
DAMN your right…
charred saddle
why would u use goggles when its already immune to it in the first place?
after tera? but what case pushes u to do that tho 
dense latch
why would u use goggles when its already immune to it in the first place?
afte...
that’s what they want you to think
torn parrot
Hold on do you mean to tell me right now that flying types are immune to ground and grass types are immune to spore?
dense latch
don’t get gaslit
torn parrot
Your right Erik I won’t let them fool me
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
dapper crag
Your right Erik I won’t let them fool me
I am immune to all types because i am not in the pokemon world
next stump
what is good sh9wdown elo\
you can think of it as your skill level basically
charred saddle
use poison tera and black sludge = having 2 leftovers pog
craggy dagger
use poison tera and black sludge = having 2 leftovers pog
doesn’t that also mess with normal poison types tera-ing out
dapper crag
I know a semi pro in showdown he destroyed my dreams without filter after he said all my favorites are buns competitively💔
mint void
Depends if u play bo1 or bo3 cause i think the peaks are different with bo1 reachin 1.8 abive and bo3 more so being at 1.6
mint void
I know a semi pro in showdown he destroyed my dreams without filter after he sai...
Semipro?
mint void
Its longer games. I mostly play sd on the run. Just fut in a game while waiting
dapper crag
Semipro?
He does competition but he says the cash prizes are very bad
I cant accept the fact that feraligatr is not op in pvp
Or gengar
mint void
Semi pro doesn't really mean much
dapper crag
Scizor
dapper crag
In h Gengar was ok
He said the same. "WAS"
mint void
Prolly UU or RU
mint void
He said the same. "WAS"
Well the regulation is almost over
He will return wirh megas in ZA
mint void
Idk hope not
next stump
what is good sh9wdown elo\
oh sorry I completely misread your message. “good” is a really hard term to define in this context since everyone has different standards
mint void
Dont like PLA
mint void
oh sorry I completely misread your message. “good” is a really hard term to defi...
Generally you have to look at the peak or the average and fund something you consider good
next stump
yeah I’d say your average is more useful than your peak also
torn parrot
I consider a good team to be one where you don’t run out of options
mint void
It can never be a set term. Also depends on your goals
dapper crag
Dont like PLA
I loved pla
dapper crag
Maybe if it was worked on more for graphics and such
But overall i loved it
Even tho the end of the story was mid
polar canyon
Saw a guy using golduck on vgc showdown ladder
polar canyon
Even tho the end of the story was mid
I think it was nice
Even if a twist is obvious it can be enjoyable
dapper crag
Not that
The part with arceus
"Complete the pokedex and ill think about coming to see ya"
dapper crag
It should be something else that getting all mons
polar canyon
Can't expect to fight god after an easy task
polar canyon
I enjoyed it
I even went ahead and did all the research just because I thought it would be required too
dapper crag
Like he teleports you to trials against huge legendaries from other times
polar canyon
Yeah that's the post game endless trial
dapper crag
Not endless
I mean the final quest shouldnt feel like post game basic pokedex farming
polar canyon
I don't think it's that far off in terms of lore
dapper crag
Arceus wouldnt just take a random kid and say "go in the past catch em all then ill go in your pokebalk aight?"
polar canyon
It would be more boring if you could just play some random flute and climb the stairway to heaven and fight god
dapper crag
It would be more boring if you could just play some random flute and climb the s...
I mean add something better than pokedex grind
polar canyon
I wish kyurem black was more useful
The amount of damage you dish out with loaded dice is fun
But it feels inconsistent
Weak to so much
real prairie
Anyone have a surplus of TM materials and would mind teaching my mons some moves? Really CBA to grind out all the Mats 🤣
mint void
@real prairie what do you need? Maybe add that in your message. People will be more inclined to help if they know the extent.
I cant help here unfortunately.
real prairie
I was mostly taking the piss and expecting to grind it myself haha
But I need encore, weather ball, hydro pump, thunder, taunt, knock off, willowisp, fake tears
And I need to work out how to get fake out on Incin
charred saddle
mirror herb on incin and one mon that hs fake out. incin needs to have open move slot
and put them in picnic
iirc its also the same with parting shot for incin
plain drum
iirc its also the same with parting shot for incin
Correct
craggy dagger
hiya :3
solid frigate
Hoi
fading bone
how come incenroar very prevlent in reg h but not so in reg g
next stump
how come incenroar very prevlent in reg h but not so in reg g
there’s honestly not much to intimidate in a lot of matches
left bobcat
How you feeeeel
solid frigate
how come incenroar very prevlent in reg h but not so in reg g
its the opposite lmao
left bobcat
On the contrary- Badum tssss
rustic mountain
there’s honestly not much to intimidate in a lot of matches
9/24 of worlds top cut it wasnt terribly uncommon but yea i agree its value just isnt as strong as other formats where the games generally are slower/go longer and intimidate nets you more value consistently with stuff like clam not really being as prevalent. or even now like urshi doesnt care about intimidate zama using its def over atk etc
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rustic mountain
most ppl here including myself started vgc way after 2013, pretty cool way to participate in something initially missed even all these years later
placid mist
Been working on this team a while anyone have feedback or suggestions im looking to improve it
https://pokepast.es/788a9dfa011e728b
next stump
Been working on this team a while anyone have feedback or suggestions im looking...
I like it, no glaring weaknesses to me
a little tough into well played CIR teams
probably want stellar tera on urshifu too
offensive farig is underplayed in reg G but it’s also hard to use since you are paperrrrr without electric seed or bulk investment
placid mist
I EV him to always live g-lance and Adamant urshifu's Surging Strikes in rain
- hit the SpA bump
balmy glen
How has scarf chi been working for you? Normally with booster speed flutter just having a bulkier chi modest is better
torn parrot
I personally love it
You bully shadows and two shot alot
great against the mirror match
which is a big problem for shadow...
mighty stump
Bust out AV Chi Yu
shadow wind
I feel like I’ve seen that
torn parrot
i think the ladder might be fucking empty
im seeing people in the 1300s gain 15 points for literally fighting another 1300 player
some type of new years fuckery is afoot
coral hatch
i’m new to competitive pokemon so does anyone have a team that is good for a beginner or a way for me to start?
near crag
i’m new to competitive pokemon so does anyone have a team that is good for a beg...
Get some rentals for the ones currently winning, you’ll find plenty on victory road. OR, you could try building your own, that will not be quite as good, or easy, but you still could find better results, since you understand it and can change it freely
mighty stump
Good teams in the pins in the repository
More variety and quicker access than Victory Road
Additionally when building your own team, I’d argue newbies won’t have the capacity to understand and change it up appropriately
Theres a pitfall there waiting to happen
But yes, rentals
near crag
Btw, anyone knows what nature to use for lando I, chien pao, or watershifu? All 252/252, lorb, sash, and mystic water sets respectively.
near crag
Additionally when building your own team, I’d argue newbies won’t have the capac...
I agree, but that’s kinda why we’re here
mighty stump
Timid/Jolly or Adamant/Jolly or Adamant
Just make sure Pao’s 4 EVs are in the correct place
near crag
Yeah, I’m kinda between +dmg or +spe
near crag
Just make sure Pao’s 4 EVs are in the correct place
Where?
mighty stump
4 Def
mighty stump
Yeah, I’m kinda between +dmg or +spe
That depends on the matchups you’re also covering/what lines you intend to run
If theres a necessary speed tier you need to hit for a mon you need to cover then you need a +Spe nature
if its outside a non-boosting statline
near crag
I got no idea of the current speed tiers, actually something that I feel has made me lose games, in retrospect
near crag
if its outside a non-boosting statline
I mean, I’m playing tw
mighty stump
Doesn’t matter
TW isn’t guaranteed to be up for you and TW is a common speed control tool so you’ll find yourself in equalised board states
Using TW as a reason not to hit certain speed tiers means you’re not covering majority situations you can find yourself in
Having your mon be more dependent on other mons on your team means there are more points of failure
To an arguable degree each slot should be almost self sufficient in its role
near crag
Are there important speed tiers for the three of them, in your opinion?
mighty stump
I want Lando to be faster than base 100s, so Chi-Yu.
Jolly Pao outspeeds Modest Miraidon/Adamant Koraidon/Modest Flutter/Modest CSR/Adamant Zacian
Urshifu is more variable since 97 base Spe doesn’t even outspeed Base 100s but Jolly would outspeed Modest Lando-Is (despite them being Scarf nowadays)
solid frigate
Calyrex ice rider absolutely makes me cry
now you know my suffering against them with Miraidon
chrome knot
Calyrex ice rider absolutely makes me cry
torn parrot
😔
chrome knot
yay cir
dull ibex
Hello chat
warped mason
With reg g back, it's time for wo chien ogre.
real prairie
mirror herb on incin and one mon that hs fake out. incin needs to have open move...
Cheers, I'm currently breeding an incin for 0 speed, not fun 😭
gentle cragBOT
Cheers, I'm currently breeding an incin for 0 speed, not fun 😭
oneofakindof has given 1 Gen Rep to abused1
near crag
What are your thoughts on dragapult? The movepool sucks, but I feel like the stats and ability compensate well for it
next stump
tough to exist in a format where you get OHKO’d by calyrex shadow and outsped by it
if you have a very very clear gameplan into it, then maybe
charred saddle
Cheers, I'm currently breeding an incin for 0 speed, not fun 😭
get a 0 speed ditto, hold a speed band. then get ur litten
breed it that way, itll always have 0 speed
real prairie
get a 0 speed ditto, hold a speed band. then get ur litten
Might have to be the way
charred saddle
its the fastest
real prairie
Randomly breeding has yielded no zero results yet 🤣
charred saddle
u can probget a 0 speed ditto for like 2 apri in the trading here
5IV 0 speed iirc is around 3
getting apri is very easy with DLC + gamba machine
real prairie
Legit though? As don't want to risk Mon being flagged during Birmingham
charred saddle
id assume so, since most of the dittos are probably from raids
swsh or sv, either way it wont pose a problem
charred saddle
speed band on 5IV 0 speed ditto, +destiny knot on 6IV litten if u have it
well aside from that, gett the IVs u want, and just make the mon
getting parting and fake out doesnt actually need to be bred. just put on picnic and bam u got it
unless ur going for shiny, thats a different story
timber falcon
https://x.com/sarapoke0914/status/1874770603321991370?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfszOA...
dont think ive seen this team before, is it a recent winner?
next stump
Legit though? As don't want to risk Mon being flagged during Birmingham
the breeding parent pokemon have no effect on the legitimacy of the pokemon you get as a resukt
they can’t detect a hacked ditto or anything like that, so you can rest easy trading for whatever
real prairie
Oh great to hear
charred saddle
btw, i just checked the ditto trading section
and oh my god, the value inflates so insanely high
why the fuck 
foggy lodge
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polar canyon
https://x.com/FedeCampoVGC/status/1874229052053348796
Rage bait used to be believable
chrome knot
real mons are back
molten oasis
no more sneasler
real prairie
no more sneasler
Still a few people running unburden sneasler to outspeed things but few and far between
fading bone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1FA56olmeM&t=847s&ab_channel=ck49 i really .ove this comp but i dont understand it i can tell im not playing it well doesanyone have tips. mostly wondering when u open with wheezing
next stump
I really would stray away from that kinda team if you’re new to the game
but if you wanna play it, then I usually see those teams bring calyrex + wheezing with dozo + tatsugiri in the back
but the video will explain it better than any of us can
fading bone
this is gonna sound cringe but i played that hyper aggressive comp from cyborg zen's 3rd most recent video and got to 12k master tier rank in a couple days in scarlet. not a great accomplishment but i think im learning fast. opening with chalrex and wheezing helps a lot. i assume its cause they prioritize the calyrex threat. when u swap you want to swap dondozo first a lot of the tiem if you are worried abouut tatsugiri getting killed?
also should i proritize using poision gas over toxic spikes the majority 0of the time? Toxic spikes only to stop setup
polar canyon
no more sneasler
I think sneasler is cool now
Poison touch dire claw is new age gambling
Also coaching
molten oasis
nah its mid, just use shifu
polar canyon
Lmk when shifu gets fake out
real prairie
I've chosen to breed a female Litten with a 0 speed iv zebstrika instead because I have those 🤣
next stump
also should i proritize using poision gas over toxic spikes the majority 0of the...
poison gas usually more useful
especially if they have a poison type in the back that can soak up the spikes
molten oasis
depends on the team
no just, sneasler isnt good it doesnt do anything into most if not all of the restricteds.
if you want fake out theres a lot of better options
sneasler isnt good rn
timber falcon
i was mainly thinking is could possibly work cause of unburden then terrain
molten oasis
yea but why do sneasler miraidon when you can do hands miraidon
maybe on indeedee it could be ok i just feel like you'd prefer shifu most of the time
timber falcon
true
fading bone
i really think miradion is not a fun pokemon to have on ur team
left bobcat
https://x.com/FedeCampoVGC/status/1874229052053348796
Oh man the powers of the credit card
dawn crown
torn parrot
Yes
The only way to run calyrex shadow is timid max speed
Its speed stat is just too important
Mirror matchups + zacian
charred saddle
one of these days ill make a bulky ass CSR 
warped mason
Do u guys think the wo chien ogre teams are still decent in reg g?
shadow wind
Ogre as in Kyogre?
foggy lodge
Do u guys think the wo chien ogre teams are still decent in reg g?
Idk
Like the one from Shiliang Tang in NAIC?
foggy lodge
That one dies horribly to Miraidon dazzling gleam spam
This team made day 2 at worlds and its better into that Miraidon team
shadow wind
Yes
warped mason
I remember it was specs discharge tera electric
solid frigate
thats like Before worlds and you have to build around Discharge which limits the options a bit
shadow wind
I mean there's so many broken ground types it's like
Well do you want the bear or the flying dude
shadow wind
Probably pretty good
solid frigate
meh
polar nest
https://tenor.com/view/regidrago-gif-26869644
bcuz this
foggy lodge
would kyogre pair bad or good with regidrago
Explorable
solid frigate
its just feels a lot more reliant of not getting hit
polar nest
Explorable
ill take it
polar nest
its just feels a lot more reliant of not getting hit
so then fast pokemon with healing move
foggy lodge
Tornadus Kyogre Regidrago doesn't sound bad
warped mason
This team made day 2 at worlds and its better into that Miraidon team
I'll build this thx
gentle cragBOT
I'll build this thx
akhil002 has given 1 Gen Rep to maxihd
polar nest
but I mainly lose to miraidon
solid frigate
im kinda against the idea due to consistency and also Raging Bolt is just way better on not only have Electric Stab but also deal with Miraidon when its not spamming Dgleam
left bobcat
https://tenor.com/view/regidrago-gif-26869644
Looks like Mr krabs
solid frigate
Kyogre Bolt and Scarf Lando is Alright
lofty tartan
Good God
warped mason
Scarf Lando is probably needed for miraidon
polar nest
bcuz scarf drago outspeeds miraidon
warped mason
Inb4 tera fairy
lofty tartan
People gotta learn to stop slapping a Scarf on Regidrago.
solid frigate
bcuz scarf drago outspeeds miraidon
Scarf Lando does it better tho
polar nest
Scarf Lando does it better tho
ok
polar nest
People gotta learn to stop slapping a Scarf on Regidrago.
my bad
solid frigate
and also you have Rillaboom so Miraidon MU should be better
knotty mirage
Can scarf drago outspeed caly s ?
warped mason
I still haven't caught my wo chien yet. Had the game since release. Catching it rn lol.
polar nest
Can scarf drago outspeed caly s ?
no sadly
lofty tartan
Can scarf drago outspeed caly s ?
Not a max invested one.
polar nest
looses by 5 points
solid frigate
Mystic Water Kyogre,Rillaboom,Raging Bolt,Scarf Landorus, and then 2 Flex Mons would be good
polar nest
ok
polar nest
https://tenor.com/view/regidrago-gif-26869644
can 1 be this
polar nest
ok
foggy lodge
Tho stockholm and worlds are big jump in meta xd
warped mason
Playing wo chien ogre into all the caly s is gonna be so fun
solid frigate
Whoever don't got iron hands loses
hands our goat
lofty tartan
https://pokepast.es/76f92c120d0eacd2
Something similar to this works.
A tailwind setter of some sort, Zacian, and Regidrago with a damage boosting item because it has 100 base special attack
polar nest
o yay I like zacian
bold geode
People gotta learn to stop slapping a Scarf on Regidrago.
People don't slap Dragon Fang on it?
polar nest
ill try this
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
shadow wind
Lorb on dragon energy mon is weird
lofty tartan
You're good on damage from Dragon Energy until a certain point.
shadow wind
True
lofty tartan
Grant W was running Lorb Drago too and he top cut Worlds.
shadow wind
I guess one wouldn't kill it
And if a mon is living 2 almost full power lorb dragon energies
It's either resisting or you got a bigger problem
lofty tartan
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bold geode
Dragon Fang Regi just seems like simple math to me but I guess people slap on Scarf cuz of like
Bravado
foggy lodge
It really needs dragon fang or lorb
shadow wind
https://x.com/VelocityVGC/status/1824958321214050554/photo/1
THAT ONE
God I hate fighting that one
Why does chi yu solo Groudon 😔
polar nest
And if a mon is living 2 almost full power lorb dragon energies
then its a mon called calyrex ice rider
polar nest
https://x.com/VelocityVGC/status/1824958321214050554/photo/1
yes
bold geode
Fang is just free AF, especially if you can control your speed good enough to make sure Dragon Energy is going off at good outputs
shadow wind
252 SpA Life Orb Dragon's Maw Regidrago Dragon Energy (150 BP) vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Calyrex-Ice: 125-148 (60.6 - 71.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Dragon's Maw Regidrago Dragon Energy (135 BP) vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Calyrex-Ice: 110-133 (53.3 - 64.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
lofty tartan
Fang is fine but only boosts the dragon moves, and not as high as Lorb. You still are very lacking when it comes to a third move, because Regidrago has 100 base special attack.
bold geode
Fang is fine but only boosts the dragon moves, and not as high as Lorb. You sti...
Fang boost is lower than Life Orb boost?
shadow wind
Explosion
foggy lodge
MY CAT ATTACKED ME OUT OF NOWHERE
lofty tartan
Fang is 1.2x
shadow wind
Fang boost is lower than Life Orb boost?
1.2x < 1.3x
bold geode
Lorb is 1.2x
lofty tartan
Lorb is 1.3x
foggy lodge
monke what
solid frigate
MY CAT ATTACKED ME OUT OF NOWHERE
bro is trying to be Incin
pallid hare
Monke drunk, go home
polar nest
Lorb is 1.3x
specs?
solid frigate
1.5x
polar nest
specs 1.5x
lofty tartan
You don't wanna lock Regidrago onto a move.
polar nest
yea true
lofty tartan
That's why I hate Scarf Drago.
foggy lodge
Don't use specs drago
polar nest
ok
foggy lodge
Unless its bo1 cts something like that
shadow wind
Just helping hand if you're that desperate
polar nest
Just helping hand if you're that desperate
o ye
foggy lodge
Drago is not a dragon energy bot imo
polar nest
yes
solid frigate
i can already see Drago Putting Specs into other mons
polar nest
its not
shadow wind
Ok why is ladder so hard recently?
polar nest
its not kyo
solid frigate
Drago is not a dragon energy bot imo
just pair it with Whimsicott lmao
shadow wind
I feel like the skill level jumped like 100 elo
foggy lodge
Yes but there is more counterplay to that
solid frigate
Whims+Fang Drago
Boom
foggy lodge
Match tailwind, speed control or other tools help a lot into it
lofty tartan
Yeah and then a Flutter switches into you and you die because Dragon Energy is a crazy move that is wildly telegraphed 😄
foggy lodge
But also tailwind + drago puts a lot of pressure into your oponnet and can instantly win games if the oponnent doesn't prepare properly
solid frigate
Yes but there is more counterplay to that
that’s basically Mirai Whims but with a Dragon Stab and One is a Restricted with a fairy type spamming move
lofty tartan
Like you can get by spamming energy into every opponent on ladder probs 🤷
But honestly you need to position to a profitable board state and make sure you can deal with Flutter.
polar nest
But honestly you need to position to a profitable board state and make sure you ...
o yea flutter
maybe tera steel tera blast?
lofty tartan
252 SpA Life Orb Tera-Steel Regidrago Tera Blast vs. 212 HP / 4 SpD Flutter Mane: 117-140 (74.5 - 89.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
It's okay
lofty tartan
252+ SpA Life Orb Tera-Steel Regidrago Tera Blast vs. 212 HP / 4 SpD Flutter Mane: 127-151 (80.8 - 96.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
polar nest
or just put recommended
foggy lodge
I think you can run 252 252 Drago and be fine lol
polar nest
ok
lofty tartan
There's only two Dragos I run.
One is max/max
One survives a Dark Pulse from Chi-Yu
polar nest
spatk and spe?
foggy lodge
Modest or timid will depend on calcs
polar nest
There's only two Dragos I run.
One is max/max
One survives a Dark Pulse from ...
havent seen i single chi-yu since last year
and i have been playing alot these past couple days
lofty tartan
havent seen i single chi-yu since last year
Chi-Yu has been banned for a whole format lol
polar nest
ik
lofty tartan
So like... obviously it'll be gone for awhile
polar nest
but like since reg g started again
lofty tartan
If you're thinking Chi-Yu is out because you haven't seen it much, you're gonna make a huge mistake.
foggy lodge
Chi-Yu is popular
foggy lodge
Like top 15 most used mons lol
lofty tartan
This is what happens when people rely on what they've seen to determine if they need to actually deal with it. You have seen less than 1% of all total games played.
polar nest
fair
solid frigate
Chi Yu is literally the second Fire Type that was use frequently if you dont want Incin to be in your team
And i would not doubt it based on usage
polar nest
so do I go survive dark pulse or 252 252
lofty tartan
Surviving Dark Pulse was a thing I talked to Grant about regarding the team. 🤷
lofty tartan
Uninvested, Dark Pulse can OHKO Regidrago.
252+ SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Dark Pulse vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Regidrago: 261-307 (94.9 - 111.6%) -- 68.75% chance to OHKO
You only have to dip a little into SpDef to offset it.
polar nest
but would you take from spe or spatk?
lofty tartan
252+ SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Dark Pulse vs. 0 HP / 76 SpD Regidrago: 231-273 (84 - 99.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
solid frigate
Ehhhh if add a but more Bulk by removing some investment on SpA and if it does not decrease the KO range then i think it works
polar nest
thats not that much, only 76?
polar nest
not bad
polar nest
And you're using Tailwind anyway
yea
tryna think of a way I can outspeed whims and taunt it
cuz its the fastest prankster mon
and I dont wanna rely on speed tie
lofty tartan
You're not going to be able to unless you just use a Whims of your own for Taunt and you have a speed tie.
warped mason
Anyone know the wo chien kyogre ev spread that makes wo chien outspeed ogre?
polar nest
ok
still ridge
What is the goal of taunting the whims, are you trying to prevent tailwind?
(just joined conversation so haven't read the context)
polar nest
yea
solid frigate
Basically prevent whims to be Annoying
lofty tartan
Anyone know the wo chien kyogre ev spread that makes wo chien outspeed ogre?
https://pokepast.es/59543d896b26f688
This one?
polar nest
prevent tailwind
warped mason
Yes thank you
still ridge
You could always use trick room or your own tailwind instead
foggy lodge
Taunt Whimsicott is not good
still ridge
potentially fake out but not sure if whimsicott normally runs the anti-fake out item
polar nest
then mirai outspeed
polar nest
potentially fake out but not sure if whimsicott normally runs the anti-fake out ...
it does
foggy lodge
You force a speed tie which is a 50/50
polar nest
sometimes
polar nest
You force a speed tie which is a 50/50
yea its not good
foggy lodge
then mirai outspeed
Taunting it will not prevent it from outspeeding you lol
Or you use tailwind or taunt
That's the thing
polar nest
Taunting it will not prevent it from outspeeding you lol
o yea true
still ridge
Doubt it would actually work but what about Tera Normal extreme speed dragonite 🤣
lofty tartan
Using your Tera to answer something is not a very good answer.
252+ Atk Choice Band Tera-Normal Dragonite Extreme Speed vs. 156 HP / 0 Def Whimsicott: 132-156 (85.1 - 100.6%) -- 6.25% chance to OHKO
Also Tera to potentially miss the OHKO is like the most dicey thing
Not sure why this Whims has investment
still ridge
helping hand tera extreme speed 🙃
polar nest
i thought most whims did max atk max spd
lofty tartan
252+ Atk Choice Band Tera-Normal Dragonite Extreme Speed vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Whimsicott: 132-156 (97 - 114.7%) -- 81.25% chance to OHKO
foggy lodge
Not sure why this Whims has investment
Isn't it Luca's Whimsicott?
lofty tartan
i thought most whims did max atk max spd
Nerd of Now has sets preloaded.
polar nest
o
lofty tartan
Isn't it Luca's Whimsicott?
It just had it listed under a Cloak set.
I don't know Luca's spread off the top of my head.
foggy lodge
Oh yeah then it probably is
polar nest
then i cant tw
foggy lodge
I know it had hp investment
still ridge
Obviously it's bad, just saying some potential options if you REALLY want to kill it xD
foggy lodge
Dragonite Chien-Pao looks actually fine against Mirai Whimsi lol
But then idk how good it is into the others leads of that team
Farigiraf Hands is good against it
Or Ogerpon Miraidon
lofty tartan
Dragonite Chien-Pao looks actually fine against Mirai Whimsi lol
What does it do when it realizes Miraidon outspeeds both of them without Tailwind? 👀
lofty tartan
That's probably not a true statement lol.
foggy lodge
Which one
lofty tartan
Timid Mirai is bad. Like black and white statements in a game where microadjustments literally can determine the outcome of a match lol
still ridge
But then idk how good it is into the others leads of that team
another option with chien pao on team is leading dragonite + something else, if they do go whimsi, you could switch into chien pao to guarantee the ohko
foggy lodge
another option with chien pao on team is leading dragonite + something else, if ...
idk
You know thinking it better
still ridge
more just brainstorming but it should at least get rid of whimsi
foggy lodge
What stops you from just tailwind tera fairy dazzling against Paonite
If they tera normal extreme speed into whimsicott Miraidon resist Chien-Pao end pf
lofty tartan
252 SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 236 HP / 0 SpD Dragonite in Electric Terrain: 229-270 (116.8 - 137.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
lofty tartan
Inner Focus usually saw a lot of play in Reg G to prevent Intimidate/Fake Out
Multiscale was used more in Reg H
252 SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Draco Meteor vs. 236 HP / 0 SpD Multiscale Dragonite: 229-270 (116.8 - 137.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
This is a Multiscale
still ridge
what if we lead dragonite + rillaboom and switch into chien pao? XD
still ridge
or really any terrain setter
foggy lodge
You don't really have another one
Rillaboom or misty surge weezing/misty terrain prankster setter i guess
Klefki or Grimmsnarl
lofty tartan
Are you really forgetting about Indeedee? lol
foggy lodge
Indeedee implies that you can't extreme speed
still ridge
^
lofty tartan
Ah yeah Solo is still on trying to Espeed Whimsicott
At the end of the day this is a lot of commit for preventing a Tailwind lol
still ridge
Well the original plan was to outspeed the whimsicott to prankster taunt, just giving alternatives lol
foggy lodge
And you depend of tera + sword of ruin