competitive_discussion

[shadow wind]

Yup

[rustic mountain]

for sure a nice boost haha

[shadow wind]

Stronger than single hit shadow ball

😔

[solid frigate]

Yes and they landed everytime in Major Livestreams while rillaboom shows it actually missed

[rustic mountain]

it should be hitting most times anyway tho

[shadow wind]

Bout to run my skill swap prankster imprison Glacial Lance and Astral Barrage Smeargle

Prankster from Sableye of course

[rustic mountain]

nd then half ur team is sableye/smeargle

[solid frigate]

fuck this i saw them a lot of times

[shadow wind]

Wait really?

I made that up

[rustic mountain]

lmao

[shadow wind]

It’s real?

I’ve seen Sableye Smeargle stuff but not that

Prankster spore/decorate

Some annoying stuff

[rustic mountain]

is any idea truly original? do u think u think of things nobody else in existence has ever thought of previously?

[shadow wind]

😔

I bet you I can think of something totally original and unique right now

[rustic mountain]

where do thoughts even come from if not from a shared pool of frequency/wavelengths that we simply convert into words

[plain drum]

Tree of wisdom

[shadow wind]

Rotisserie chicken shaped like Optimus primed covered in Cheeto dust on splash mountain

I’ll ask A.I. If that’s been made a thing

[rustic mountain]

we are truly doomed

sentinent creature asking ai if somethings been thought before

[shadow wind]

All I know is that Groudon is my dude and no one will touch him with a 39 and a 1/2 foot pole

[rustic mountain]

sometimes u gta know wen it just isnt the time

groudon was pretty great in swsh

[shadow wind]

He’ll be great here !

If I believe hard enough

[rustic mountain]

groudon rn is vince carter in his 18th season, like yea u could prolly keep going but should u?

[molten oasis]

real

kyogre just keeps goin

[shadow wind]

That’s because it’s the favourite

Give me a 150 BP stab move that’s boosted by weather and we’ll see what happens

[rustic mountain]

groudons literally my fav legend haha nd im still not gna play it

[shadow wind]

He’s my favourite and I WILL play him

[molten oasis]

just make the move more accurate

[shadow wind]

On god 😔

I’ve resorted to helping hand just so I have a move to click to do more damage

[molten oasis]

lol

[rustic mountain]

yea non stab non weather boosted move that can miss sucks, they needed to give groudon a water spout equivalent that wasnt eruption

[shadow wind]

But to be fair helping hand boosted Tera fairy specs moonblast from Flutter mane does enough for 2 mons

[rustic mountain]

since its not a sp atker really or a fire type

[shadow wind]

It was good with primals

[molten oasis]

it can become one (it is not good enough to be a eruption abuser)

[molten oasis]

primals were busted asf

[shadow wind]

I want them back 😭😭

[rustic mountain]

yea u know wat i mean haha

[shadow wind]

180 Atk stats? Sign me up

[molten oasis]

i am and wont stop playing zac, even tho its uh, incin's heaven at times

i hate incin so much sometimes

[shadow wind]

I wish clear amulet wasn’t real

[molten oasis]

why?

[shadow wind]

It’s such a good item

And it just made Incin worse

[molten oasis]

thats a good thing, its only like, stupid on CIR notably

[shadow wind]

Same with covert cloak

[rustic mountain]

intimidate was too strong an ability for far too long tbf

[molten oasis]

its still really strong having some way to deter it is huge

that isnt white herb

or your ability

[rustic mountain]

nd like ur still giving up an item for that

[molten oasis]

yea its such a bad item to give up lol

[shadow wind]

Maybe I’m once again CTS pilled

I just hate snarling and seeing the CSR’s spatk not drop

[rustic mountain]

i mean even despite its introduction its not been a commonly used item for good reason

[shadow wind]

And now I’m about to cop a helping hand boosted Tera ghost choice specs astral barrage

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/5a8ee93dae02db63
me: why am i losing to incin so much
also me: your team is so bad into pivot spam

[molten oasis]

you will explode lmao

[shadow wind]

Thanks tips

[molten oasis]

yea, i remember people messing with white herb sneasler for a little bit

[shadow wind]

That’s the whole point of the example

[molten oasis]

thats the wrong paste fuck

[rustic mountain]

ur actively choosing it over something else and while ur not getting intimidated i think it can also lead to lazier gameplay w. how u view ur board states/positioning

or jus other items being better in more widepsread use case where taking a -1 isnt the worst thing in the world

[molten oasis]

gotta learn how to play into incin

better, i do.

[rustic mountain]

p much yea, clear amulet is kinda the lazy mans choice into intimidate. i say this as someone who has used it

[molten oasis]

lando and shifu are really good to manage it but its still so fucking annoying

especially when you got amoonguss eating the surging strikes everytime i pick that target lol

[shadow wind]

I mean it’s just the best option for a mon that can OHKO Incin at neutral

Like Groudon

[left bobcat]

Oh man

[molten oasis]

too bad groudon is mid

[left bobcat]

What did I miss

[rustic mountain]

maybe yea, i think it also can still be a good choice on cir but its not 100% needed either

[molten oasis]

idk about just good cuz its the only item it uses lol

[shadow wind]

Too bad you’re mid

[rustic mountain]

in general tho for lower power formats, clear amulet is kinda not it most times tho

[shadow wind]

Just kidding of course

[molten oasis]

shut up im trying man lol

[shadow wind]

And so is Groudon 😭😭

[molten oasis]

im playing moon and zacian who fucking suck into incin

[shadow wind]

Yeah all of my Pokémon are good into Incin except like Pao and Rilla

[molten oasis]

but also im just like, i dont like peli for speed control

slow tailwind sucks

[shadow wind]

Just run scarf

[molten oasis]

im not scarfing peli for faster tailwind just for it to die to smth dumb

[rustic mountain]

i mean p much haah hirofumi did pilot one w/ never melt ice into top cut tho

[molten oasis]

like miraidon

[molten oasis]

i forgot about that

[rustic mountain]

i thought that was cool

but yea cir is one of the few exceptions i think amulet is good for

[molten oasis]

clam's consistent i think that why people dont really mess with the item choice

the same set is just so consistent besides the tera which flips between fire and water, sometimes grass

[rustic mountain]

yea my overarching point was moreso general usecase of clam isnt as widespread as the perceived strength would originally lead u to believe. like ppl used it a bit at first nd then it died out and only made slight appearances throughout sv really until restricteds came into the fray

[molten oasis]

yea fair enough

[left bobcat]

I used the horse to destroy the horse

[shadow wind]

I hate the horse

[left bobcat]

Nuh uh

[shadow wind]

Game does not feel like blessing me with elo

[craggy dagger]

owh

[solid frigate]

ouch

[livid roost]

Any obvious improvements for this team?

https://pokepast.es/12b243156e46eea5

[solid frigate]

what is with Iron Valiant getting picked on multiple Teams

I did not see any issue on the team for now

[livid roost]

I think Iron Valiant is hugely underrated support mon

[solid frigate]

i mean

[livid roost]

matches up well into both miridon and calyrex shadow

[solid frigate]

its already shown use since worlds so yeah

Its just people are really obsessed on it

[livid roost]

really? I've not seen that much usage for it tbh

[solid frigate]

it got second in Worlds

[livid roost]

I guess so yeah

I meant more on the ladder

[solid frigate]

on a Calyrex Ice Rider team

[solid frigate]

ladders are weird honestly

[molten oasis]

i lost to a, uh

[craggy dagger]

that’s the thing-
if it does well in an event
everyone jumps onto it and tries it

[molten oasis]

something stupid

[solid frigate]

what is it

[molten oasis]

im trying to remember

[solid frigate]

case in Point,Luca's Miraidon Formula is everywhere

[molten oasis]

it was stupid

[craggy dagger]

-# and i’m here using stupid pokemon that don’t work at all

[molten oasis]

[craggy dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/solgaleo-necrozma-gif-20456166

[molten oasis]

thunderous

thats what i lost to, cuz he FULL PARA'D ZACIAN fo TWO TURNS

[solid frigate]

The mon is not stupid its just annoying

[molten oasis]

[craggy dagger]

anyone remember defiant thundy

[molten oasis]

i won the game if i didn't get full para'd 2 times

[solid frigate]

i mean i got Nuked by a Dusk Mane when i am using Terapagos

[solid frigate]

yep,Good times amrite

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 642: Thundurus

Types

Electric/Flying

Abilities

Prankster, Defiant (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

79/115/70/125/80/111

Total

580

Other Formes

Thundurus-Therian

Sableye version 4.28.1

[molten oasis]

i also lost to lots and lots of "haha incin amoonguss pivot gaming"

[tiny karma]

Thundurus's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Assurance, Astonish, Bite, Body Slam, Brick Break, Brutal Swing, Crunch, Facade, Fling, Fly, Foul Play, Frustration, Giga Impact, Hammer Arm, Iron Tail, Knock Off, Lash Out, Payback, Return, Revenge, Rock Smash, Secret Power, Sky Drop, Smack Down, Smart Strike, Strength, Supercell Slam, Superpower, Take Down, Thief, Thrash, Thunder Punch, U-turn, Wild Charge, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Charge Beam, Dark Pulse, Discharge, Electro Ball, Electroweb, Flash Cannon, Focus Blast, Grass Knot, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Incinerate, Psychic, Rising Voltage, Round, Shock Wave, Sludge Bomb, Sludge Wave, Snarl, Snore, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunder Shock, Thunderbolt, Uproar, Volt Switch, Weather Ball, Wildbolt Storm

Status Moves

Agility, Attract, Bulk Up, Charge, Confide, Defog, Double Team, Eerie Impulse, Electric Terrain, Embargo, Endure, Heal Block, Leer, Nasty Plot, Protect, Rain Dance, Rest, Role Play, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Taunt, Thunder Wave, Torment, Toxic

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Thundurus.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[solid frigate]

this one made me annoyed a lot as well

[craggy dagger]

wah-?

im guessing clear amulet right

-# i’m doing a dumdum and trying assault vest

[molten oasis]

huh

[solid frigate]

yeah it is

Cuz Sunsteel strike is Mold Breaker-

it has mold breaker's effects

[craggy dagger]

i mean so is moongeist

[solid frigate]

but Pagos is Normal Type so-

[craggy dagger]

but yeah

[solid frigate]

thats how i lose Pagos (But i still win)

[craggy dagger]

also ddance > sd on dusk mane imo

[molten oasis]

gotta say from the like 30 games i played today

[solid frigate]

it was used in Ubers alot

[molten oasis]

moon is really solid

support or flying acro shit

although i think support mode better cuz you care less about incin being, incin

and just be annoying with breaking swipe and knock off

[solid frigate]

No more Roaring mid slander

[molten oasis]

it isn't mid (yet)

[craggy dagger]

poison swipe off

[molten oasis]

yea thats what i run

[craggy dagger]

EVs get a bit weird though

[molten oasis]

i have so much defense evs lmao

Roaring Moon @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 84 HP / 60 Atk / 172 Def / 4 SpD / 188 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Knock Off
• Breaking Swipe
• Tailwind
• Protect

i need a better spread, thats just what i have rn

[craggy dagger]

i don’t remember my calcs but this is what i run

Roaring Moon @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 140 HP / 36 Atk / 76 Def / 92 SpD / 164 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Breaking Swipe
• Knock Off
• Tailwind
• Taunt

[solid frigate]

likw the Swipe Set fr

[craggy dagger]

but i do remember calcing this with luna

[molten oasis]

poison swipe off

[craggy dagger]

i can go do the calc checks again

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/roaring-moon-beloved-sweet-cute-love-gif-6892025355709398155

i like moon cuz it fucks with CSR and then i go haha tw bblade cuz you a fairy type

i need to shiny hunt moon

[solid frigate]

Drago has taken all the Roaring Moon Slander back lmao

[molten oasis]

also debating going to that tournament tomorrow

[knotty mirage]

Shiny hunting moon gonna be painful

[molten oasis]

did i dis on moon? i liked moon

i played it on sun briefly

[solid frigate]

didn't you did that to Creph's Zacian Moon idea-

[molten oasis]

ok well at the time i was so heavily pilled on torn lol

and then trying peli recently i was like "wow slow tailwind fucking sucks"

im hoping SD helps with pivot spam a little

[solid frigate]

[molten oasis]

and if incin dies t1 im chillin

cuz incin is how i get fried a lot

the advantage of peli i feel was the lack of care that went into dealing with incin, and now incin is a major pain in the rear

[shy comet]

Hiya, i believe this is my first time commenting in this channel. But just coming in to vent a bit (any advice is welcome too) regarding battle stadium singles.

Having a tough go against any combo of archaludon, bloodmoon ursa, and dragonite. Hard to plan against those

[timber falcon]

i see youve made the swap

or not

[molten oasis]

no im sitll on moon pelipper is boring and slow tw sucks

[timber falcon]

It’s all about positioning with peli

[molten oasis]

So is zacian

And moon

I don’t like peli that’s been like a known thing

I do not like peli at all, I understand why it’s strong and I will use it if push comes to shove but I don’t like it

[dull ibex]

Hello

[mint void]

Hey man. This is mainly a comp doubles VGC channel since almost no one here plays singles

[cyan smelt]

Especially not bss

[mint void]

We just dont know a lot about singles because of that.

[mighty stump]

I mean I supppse that means you need to figure out a role compressed way to fix your MUs

If you keep Moon for TW you need to change things up especially into like Pao and CIR

See where the matchup overlap is cause also Moon doesn’t help with Intim spam either

[shy comet]

Thx for letting me know. Is there another channel here for battle stadium singles? Do you know?

[gentle crag]

ryorific has given 1 Gen Rep to lnk1603

[cyan smelt]

Smogon server might be more helpful

[shy comet]

Thanks!

[gentle crag]

You gave Gen Rep too recently. You can give Gen Rep again <t:1735482667:R>.

[left bobcat]

Yeah yeah yeah

[next stump]

good morning people

[left bobcat]

Hood morning

[south tartan]

If someone wants to play some OU matches via Switch/Smogon DM me

[misty helm]

I don’t know how I’m supposed to train my newly caught ditto does ditto even need ev training

[tiny karma]

[gen9] Zamazenta-Crowned

Moonblast:

• As Zamazenta by level up (66)

Sableye version 4.28.1

[craggy dagger]

this is still really odd to me

[left bobcat]

Just hp

[misty helm]

And a hardy nature works right?

[next stump]

ditto copies every stat except HP

meaning your nature doesn’t matter

[misty helm]

Okay

Does using a pp max on transform increase the pp of the copied move set

[next stump]

I don’t think so? Not sure

[misty helm]

By the way I’m having trouble finding out which water type move to give iron bundle

On the one hand accuracy and number of move uses for hydro pump is really low

But can I expect to get by with water pulse

[next stump]

if you’re playing doubles, it’s always gotta be hydro pump

if you’re playing singles, idk

[chrome knot]

movaaaaa

[timber falcon]

I hate peli this fat rat of a bird isn’t doing anything for me

Definitely not the best tw mon

[halcyon comet]

Peli is absolutely not the best tw mom

A lot of pelippers won’t even run tailwind in this format

[cyan smelt]

Hard to help when we dunno what your team is

[left bobcat]

Yeah we don’t know

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2271565121
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2271566474

[torn parrot]

Can’t beleive man fell for that

Thas funni

Fucking TWICE

[left bobcat]

COACH

COAAAACH

[solid frigate]

they are different Person-

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2271568443

Anyways Ogerpon moment

[torn parrot]

I can’t beleive two people fell for that thas crazy

Nicely played

[solid frigate]

it's more like play out of my mind and yep there we go CIR is actually not that hard

[torn parrot]

im just literal saying those too did fall for the same thing

You still played awesome

[next stump]

it pains me that the smeargles dont just click follow me

[solid frigate]

the fact that its a High ladder and mid ladder as well

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2271574078-l27131qb057p48btbs71qywe53sth44pw

Another victim-

[torn parrot]

I hunger for

Hunter x hunter

Bitch

[timber falcon]

Isn’t it on hiatus again

[torn parrot]

It’s always on hiatus
I’m watching the anime for the millionth time

[misty helm]

So if I want to serene grace para flinch my opponent would you advise body slam or thunder wave

Because body slam has a 60 percent chance of paralysis with serene grace

[bold geode]

Wait iirc you do singles right

[misty helm]

Yeah

[solid frigate]

ew

[bold geode]

Oh then I can't really tell ya tbh
I guess Wave?

If this were doubles my answer would be don't but I have no clue about the singles space

[misty helm]

Okay then

[left bobcat]

Yeahhhhhhhh

So I was thinking heat crash

[next stump]

kyogre is sick

[mighty stump]

What you running with it atm

[left bobcat]

Choice scarf

With Clefairy and torn and ursh

[misty helm]

Also do you think that a wydeer with lunge Psyshield bash and intimidate a physical ground move and body slam sounds like a nice technical set

I opted for high horsepower instead of earthquake because it was significantly cheaper to craft

[left bobcat]

Wydeer? Hmmmmmm

[timber falcon]

War crime strat

[next stump]

https://pokepast.es/519b8478e713076c

[left bobcat]

Roaring moon is the weakest link

[rustic mountain]

[misty helm]

Comet (Wyrdeer) (M)
Ability: Intimidate
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 232 HP / 252 Atk / 24 Def
Adamant Nature

• Body Slam
• Psyshield Bash
• Lunge
• High Horsepower

Does that seem any good

[rustic mountain]

between this and tangs recent reg h team im glad ppl r stating to tech on drum beating. i was using it a decent amount in reg d and e

not saying i was the first or anything jus cool to see it more

[mighty stump]

omg youre on the RMOgre train too

[rustic mountain]

u could prolly make it work depending on the rest of the team but wyrdeer itself is not a good mon

[next stump]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2271605976

LOL I got flinched on 3 turns

[mighty stump]

bruh

[timber falcon]

Why do people use drum beating in the first place though

[mighty stump]

Do you know what it does lol

[timber falcon]

Well no

[rustic mountain]

bruh

[timber falcon]

After all rilla is the worst gen 8 starter

[tiny karma]

Move: Drum Beating

Has a 100% chance to lower the target's Speed by 1 stage.

Type

Grass

Category

Physical

Power

80

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[mighty stump]

LOLWUT

[rustic mountain]

terrible bait

[mighty stump]

This is 10/10 ragebait

[timber falcon]

It’s true? Not competitively

[rustic mountain]

begone w/ u

[mighty stump]

If its not competitively then its subjective = no objective truth

[timber falcon]

Ah it’s the speed

[torn parrot]

chi yu the goat doing what it does best

Flinch clutches

Dark pulse darn pulse dark pulse

[plain drum]

Flinchy fishy

[rustic mountain]

jus give us shiny chi yu already this is crazy

[timber falcon]

How long did it take for swsh shiny legs

[rustic mountain]

i think by this time in the games cycle we were in the midst of the box legend shiny distro

[plain drum]

Ruh roh

[rustic mountain]

ig ray is the equivalent in a way

[plain drum]

Might be betting on that never™️, they’ve also left Enamorus dry

[torn parrot]

I’m so close to perfecting the team using
But I also really am burnt out from testing

So I don’t wanna play

I’ll shiny hunt instead

[rustic mountain]

enamorus, urshifu/kubfu/horses/calyrex

[plain drum]

[rustic mountain]

nd then add all the gen 9 ones on there

loyal 3, ogerpon, ruin legends, box legends, terapagos

screams gen 10 dlc content unfortunately

[torn parrot]

Hope they spend a bunch of time on Gen 10

[rustic mountain]

ppl say that but

[plain drum]

PoGo research

[torn parrot]

I know as soon as the switch 2 comes out we’re back in it…

[rustic mountain]

then u hav ppl whine we dont have any lza update

[torn parrot]

My opinion is

I’ll take a compromise

If they make trashy side games, make the main game insane

Look this is GEN X

It has to be peak

[rustic mountain]

or jus make all of them solid

[torn parrot]

this is Gen X

[torn parrot]

I’ll settle for a compromise

[plain drum]

It’s not going to surprise me if Gen 10 ends up mid and historically remembered for that

[rustic mountain]

really no reason they shouldnt be

[torn parrot]

There’s always pleasant surprises

surely…

[rustic mountain]

watd u think of gen 8 and 9

[torn parrot]

I think gen 9 was my absolute favorite way to play pokemon

Just a shame it looks ugly as fuck

[rustic mountain]

id argue despite both their flaws they are some of the best titles weve gotten from pokemon

[torn parrot]

And I’m sure they could have done a whole lot more with the game with more time

Gen 9 looks so bad you guys…

[rustic mountain]

nah its fine

[plain drum]

Mixed relationship with Gen 8, SwSh had to grow on me; I initially liked BDSP when that was the first game I ever played, still have a fondness for it but it is definitely not the best; PLA was great

9 was “fine,” I was there at the time of the release issues but after that it just became another like it or you don’t entry

[torn parrot]

I’ll say one thing

The pokemon models look great

everything else tho….

[plain drum]

I really like the metal Pokémon in Gen 9

[rustic mountain]

im moreso annoyed at water lag nd some of the frame rate issues otherwise i think sv was pretty solid

dlc story more on the 2nd one was lackluster

[torn parrot]

I loved sv

[mint void]

Î really like SV idk

Idk abt performance issues

[torn parrot]

It wa smy all time best pokemon experience and felt like a true adventure to me

It was fun

[plain drum]

Tbh I feel like I’d enjoy Blueberry more than Kitakami if I got there lol

[bold geode]

You actually use it in G?

[rustic mountain]

yea thats fair, id say in that sense ur lack of a positive expectation for gen 10 makes sense

[mint void]

it looks ok with decent world and neat stuff. Tera was underwhelming at first but has become more intereesting with time

[torn parrot]

the worst part of making a team are the very last bits

So tedious

[rustic mountain]

teras the best battle gimmick mechanic weve had

[plain drum]

To me Pokémon only really goes so far, it has like a glass ceiling on it

[misty helm]

Can somebody tell me if the sets from serebii pokemon of the week are actually effective

[rustic mountain]

i think for me stuff like shiny hunting and comp helps enhance or inflate that ceiling

[plain drum]

Right

[rustic mountain]

but i get wat ur saying

[plain drum]

For me whatever comes out of the TCG next will help too, Gen 10 means more cards and I like to watch the meta for that shift around

[torn parrot]

I agree
I have noticed some of the flaws recently tho

Think it’s a trend that gimmicks kinda scale in brokenness when used with restricteds

[mint void]

for sure the one with the most tactical aspect added to the game

the rest was just make one Pokemon or move broken

[rustic mountain]

yea i think its just an inherent issue w/ the power level vs the gimmick itself

[torn parrot]

likw
i feel like

if i was able to just click snarl amd a calyrex shadow died it woudlnt be scary at all

[bold geode]

Also the fact you even attempted this level of bait is absurd LMAO

[next stump]

if you want singles movesets, check smogon

[rustic mountain]

strong mons r gna get stronger

[next stump]

and the format you play is called Battle Stadium Singles, or BSS

[mint void]

Monke

[rustic mountain]

dillons using it atm

i think it has merit depending on the team

[torn parrot]

I dont think the horses have had a gen where they take full damage from super effective attacks

Well they only been here for 2 gens

[mint void]

ngl...in addition to already said: Also depends on what you need covered on your team. Im not familiar with the serebii sets but Imma guess from what was said they are more singles oriented and there for probably not the greatest for VGC

[torn parrot]

I start to wonder if the horses are actually balanced if tera didn’t exist

[rustic mountain]

cir got absolutely fucked by zacian in or out of dmax wat r u talking about haha and ghost honestly didnt dmax that much especially on edus worlds team from wat i saw

[bold geode]

Eh idk maybe
I just prefer good ol reliable moveset
Plus I just use Icy Wind Flutter so like

[torn parrot]

Thas true!!!

Ya know I actually dunno how they work in a no tera environment

[rustic mountain]

also we had series 10 briefly which had no dmax

[torn parrot]

Uwawu

[rustic mountain]

they r still strong

[bold geode]

Iirc in that finals he legit only brought CSR once

[torn parrot]

Next gen gimmick will be 5 move slots

[bold geode]

But also idt we can compare SwSh stuff to now cuz like
Dmax allowed for so much bullshit
Way different mechanic made a way different format

[rustic mountain]

yea like im sure he def dmaxed it, ik i did a bunch wen i used it but its not like something ur always wanting to dmax especially for his kind of team, thundurus p much was always the guy

[foggy lodge]

probably best sw/sh format to instantly dissapear lol

[mint void]

quad weakness to knock off isnt great. without tera draining kiss also loses stab. Their stats still are reallly great

[rustic mountain]

i loved series 10

[torn parrot]

Imagine shadow’s signature item is sash

Kind like Chien Pao forever sash

[mint void]

scarf chien pao 🔝

[torn parrot]

Scarf icy wind Chien Pao

[bold geode]

Anyways I wanna do an analysis for a blogpost for G but I gotta figure out how I'm gonna go about it

[rustic mountain]

makes it a lot easier to have ur "checks" for sure but the mons are still insanely good regardless, u have ur own team to help shore up those weaknesses

[foggy lodge]

i haven't worked in that team comp guide i was doing

[mint void]

^yeah. they are and will stay big threats even if they had additional weaknesses purely base on stats. If been playing some kyrem stuff recently and even he feels fine simply cause of that massive attack stat.

Calys being so great for either hyper speed or Trick room also benefits them since noone else is that fast or slow

[bold geode]

I need to work on my blog
Was going to last night but I just had no motivation whatsoever to do so

[rustic mountain]

restricteds are gna b strong general to most other mons its more like is kyruem really doing more for u then like any of the big 5 would? no. doesnt mean u cant use it moreso some restricteds being better then others. horses even despite their weaknesses w/o tera are still going to be among the best

[torn parrot]

Screens calm mind Miraidon is scary

[solid frigate]

Grimmsnarl?

[mighty stump]

Sounds like Crystal Rain but with Miraidon

Lol

[bold geode]

What

[atomic portal]

not really its just the standard black mamba team

[bold geode]

Tf are y'all talking about

[left bobcat]

The huh

[atomic portal]

pokemon? lol

[timber falcon]

just my personal preference not compet lol

[balmy glen]

@bold geode dw abt it being the last ride for MDB lol

it’s just the last ride for that iteration in a sense

[bold geode]

See halfway thru typing I was like "this is dumb" but then I was like "fuck it I'll use this as click bait"

[bold geode]

My thing though is you also said it was the worst Gen 8 starter
So you're telling me you think Cinderace and Inteleon are better than Rillaboom

Oh wait not comp I see

[balmy glen]

gaming

[craggy dagger]

lmao

[bold geode]

Tbf also I tried that shroom variant for one set, matched up against that popular Kyogre team, lost badly and was like yep back to monkey

I think for his comp at least Rilla is PROBABLY better? Shroom just felt weird for it

Though I am thinking about whether to use CC over Sub or not now since he did that

[chrome knot]

nobaaaaaa

[bold geode]

Noba tea

[balmy glen]

Nah

I helped him with that. The stuff he wants Rilla to do Shroom is just better anyways

[bold geode]

Is it better for like the terrain shit?

[balmy glen]

We’re working on a variant

looking forward to San Antonio and EUIC

I’ve been sick though so I’ve been on a 2 week ladder hiatus

[bold geode]

Like idk how much Spinner helps the terrain MUs vs the monkey
Or am I straight up just missing something else

[mighty stump]

CIR’s performance had been v weak it seems

[bold geode]

Tbf I do plan to see shroom variant around
Definitely looks good
I think Rilla is just my personal preference

[molten oasis]

Really?

[bold geode]

Yeah I love everyone calling it mid just for it to clap cheeks

[craggy dagger]

hiiii

[mighty stump]

I mean

VR tour results have been weak, and so far it’s the restricted I’ve had least trouble with

[bold geode]

Yup
It's been having dips in terms of usage in online tours
Had it in VR tours and in the VGCTS Limitless tour

[mighty stump]

What my theory is likely that people have just prepped for it well enough

[bold geode]

Yeah but like idk how hot the take is but I feel like these dips are just like
Solely due to like MU prep

[mighty stump]

So now CIR teams just have to innovate

[bold geode]

Nvm you said what I said lol

[chrome knot]

haaaiiiinnvggbsetndfk

[chrome knot]

im cooking

youll see me for Vancouver

[bold geode]

Also @mighty stump idk why but the apple man now reminds me of a cursed Gerber baby

[mighty stump]

Talk me out of Kyogre cuz I don’t wanna run inaccurate moves

[molten oasis]

So everyone else has prepped enough for it

[chrome knot]

cannot

[bold geode]

Use Zamazenta
Ez

[molten oasis]

[chrome knot]

it private i dont want itto see daylight

[molten oasis]

Play a caly or miraidon

[bold geode]

Never had an easier time

[mighty stump]

I mean generally

Talk me out of Kyogre

To use literally anything else

[spiral ridge]

I like kyogre

[mighty stump]

im convinced

[spiral ridge]

Have fun with it

[mighty stump]

Im not running Kyogre

[molten oasis]

Lmfao

[mighty stump]

Thanks

[molten oasis]

So what you gonna use

[spiral ridge]

wtf did I do to you

[molten oasis]

Liked kyogre

[mighty stump]

type

[molten oasis]

Tofu hates Scotty confirmed

[mighty stump]

Its ok guys im ginna pull up with Solgaleo

[spiral ridge]

It was my first team I’m gonna be biased

[chrome knot]

dunno

[mighty stump]

thats why Scarf TW Pelipper is goated

[chrome knot]

entrainment clawitzer + kyogre

[molten oasis]

You’re gonna play solgaleo

[polar canyon]

Hi

[spiral ridge]

Wo chien kyogre NAIC balance

[mighty stump]

obviously

[molten oasis]

Not dusk mane

[rustic mountain]

🎠

[molten oasis]

Just solgaleo?

[mighty stump]

Solgaleo is cooler

[rustic mountain]

the big 5 ^

[molten oasis]

Fair enough

[polar canyon]

I actually had a real reason to forget about comp pokemon this time

[molten oasis]

I’ll continue coping with moon cuz I have peli lol

[polar canyon]

Hello fellas

[bold geode]

Tofu I would help you use Solgaleo

[mighty stump]

Go away

You can’t mooch off my bad ideas

[bold geode]

Tofu let's be the only 2 people who touch Solgaleo

[spiral ridge]

use dialga

[polar canyon]

Are we still in regulation g

[polar canyon]

Me me hi

[molten oasis]

We’re restarting reg g in a few days

[bold geode]

Wow Tofu went away

[rustic mountain]

a week

jan 6th

[polar canyon]

Restarting in what sense

[molten oasis]

Yea a week idk the exact date

[molten oasis]

Reg g 2

[mighty stump]

Okay so we’re starting

[polar canyon]

Nvm I'm like swapping g and h

[rustic mountain]

🤨

[polar canyon]

So 1 restricted again right?

[mighty stump]

Just a couple of ground rules

Ok

[rustic mountain]

unfortunately yes

[mighty stump]

1. I an always right
2. your input is not necessary

[molten oasis]

Nah

[polar canyon]

Is it unfortunate? We could've gotten a 2 restricteds format straight away

[rustic mountain]

i wanted more reg h

[molten oasis]

Tree likes reg h lol

[polar canyon]

I like reg h and didn't play enough of it

I finally have time again and now it's ending

[molten oasis]

I didn’t and played plenty (I played like 200 total games I think)

[mighty stump]

SOLGALEO HAS NO SETUP MOVES

THIS MON BLOWS

[rustic mountain]

i think dusk mane gets sd

[bold geode]

What's #3

[molten oasis]

Dusk mane has SD and Ddance

[polar canyon]

At least you get to use dusk mane necrozma instead

[mighty stump]

No Clear Body

[bold geode]

Solgaleo has Wide Guard bro
Fuck it we ball

[molten oasis]

Clam

[mighty stump]

Plus hes not R E D

[polar canyon]

True

[mighty stump]

Consider: item slot

[molten oasis]

True red lion pog

[molten oasis]

What item do you want?

[polar canyon]

If your point is it being red use lunala

Blood moon lunala goes hard

[bold geode]

Lunala is purple

[molten oasis]

But tofu wants to use solgaleo

[rustic mountain]

shiny

[molten oasis]

[bold geode]

But see
Solgaleo cuz content

[bold geode]

Don't make me send him bro

[rustic mountain]

whats content wen the mon sucks

[molten oasis]

using bad mons is content

[polar canyon]

Solgaleo + gouging fire howl support

[bold geode]

Good content calls for a little torture it's fine

[molten oasis]

If only howl wasn’t mid asf

[bold geode]

MrBeast tortures his people, why can't I torture myself for content

[polar canyon]

Good content can be terrible win rate but really funny when you win, you just cut out the failures

[mighty stump]

Except I’m good at the game so that’s not possible

😎

[rustic mountain]

even then ur actively just making it harder for urself

[polar canyon]

It's called throwing for content

[mighty stump]

Yeah but you know me

I can try when I wanna

[bold geode]

Once again
MrBeast tortures people for content, why can't I torture myself for it

[polar canyon]

It's not the same

He's rich

[rustic mountain]

i mean sure but ur not just gna pick it just to pick it at that point

[bold geode]

Yeah yeah eat the rich bla bla

[polar canyon]

No just he's rich so he gets to do it with less repercussion

You're not allowed to use solgaleo

Mr. Beast is tho

[bold geode]

You gonna cancel me for torturing myself? Bitch plz

[mighty stump]

I think Solgaleo is cool

Its just bad

[polar canyon]

Entirely fair reason to use it imo

[mighty stump]

But I wanna see the degree of bad

Zacian already blows so

[left bobcat]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2271673126-pjtgwurnw7dtthe1elhjg77mc4j2nkfpw

[molten oasis]

[left bobcat]

ok now im really getting tired of this damn horse

[polar canyon]

Certain mons are admittedly mid but I still entertain using them because they're cool either to use or in design imo

[mighty stump]

Sunsteel Strike ignores Tera Shell/Friend Guard

[rustic mountain]

yea i feel that, u did that w/ palkia too iirc

[molten oasis]

Lemme cope man every other restricted is so boring

[mighty stump]

Full Metal Body + CoCloak means constant pressure

[torn parrot]

i have a habit of mashing my keyboard whenevr i make a showdown alt

[mighty stump]

Currently with Coaching and TW Support I’m pretty sure I can make this guy a machine

Grabted

I could just use Metagross

But Metagross is ugly

[rustic mountain]

metagross is cool

[left bobcat]

fr now calyrex is really starting to get on my nerves

[molten oasis]

Do you genuinely think Zac is bad?

[mighty stump]

I don’t like Zacian unless its Tera Stellar Blast

[polar canyon]

No I think palkia is kinda lame

[molten oasis]

You’re STILL on that?

[left bobcat]

zacian is just alright

[mighty stump]

It’s the only Zacian that feels good lol

[polar canyon]

Awesome concept but I don't like the design

[mighty stump]

Tera Stellar feels underused

[left bobcat]

coaching is good

[polar canyon]

Because it's underpowered

[rustic mountain]

? that was toward tofu and testing the level of bad w/ d tier restricteds

[polar canyon]

My bad got confused

[molten oasis]

That set felt so susceptible to intimidate spam

[mighty stump]

That’s cause only a certain class of mons can use it

[polar canyon]

And terapagos

[mighty stump]

I didn’t have trouble

I explained this last time

[molten oasis]

And for some reason zacian is one of them, well ik why

Am I just bad about dealing with incin lol

[mighty stump]

If you chip well and stop seeing Zacian as a superstar and just utilise it to do a job its not an issue

[polar canyon]

Have you considered slapping an urshifu on the team

[mighty stump]

I feel w Restricted some people see their pick as “i need to sweep with this mon specifically”

No you don’t

[rustic mountain]

zacian not gna put up 30 but it can give u a consistent 10 and 10

[molten oasis]

It’s the player that sometimes scores lol

[left bobcat]

yeah

[chrome knot]

tofu

vgc suckssssss :(

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/1957760656181ce0 I still feel like I’m gonna get rolled by well played incin

[mighty stump]

haha

it does!

[mighty stump]

Technically CoCloak Urshifu should be just free into that

and Scarf Lando

[molten oasis]

you’re not wrong, I need to take lando more

Found lando good into the balance CIR stuff which I wasn’t expecting

[polar canyon]

Thinking about coaching kyurem black

[molten oasis]

play better into incin

[rustic mountain]

just win

[polar canyon]

Just coach more than the incin intimidates ez

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/of-course-gif-21373815

Why didn’t I think of that smh

[rustic mountain]

exactly

[molten oasis]

I’m cloak taunt shifu

I can’t coach

[rustic mountain]

shifu doesnt even care about intimidate

[molten oasis]

And I honestly didn’t love the scarf coaching set that much

It was very okay

I prefer having detect

[rustic mountain]

yea i tried scarf coaching on a cir team, its solid in certain mus

zacian isnt cir tho

[molten oasis]

Like coaching seemed good with Zac but you need shifu to be the incin killer 90% of the time

[polar canyon]

Thoughts on coaching wisp speed boost blaziken?

[molten oasis]

If incins gone Zac has a much easier time existing

[rustic mountain]

yea or atleast have the pressure for tera nd then zacian can hit it neutral w/o having to play rough

[molten oasis]

Or Tera blast

Also surprised lando works into CIR teams I kinda automatically assumed it would be bad due to the busted ice type

[atomic portal]

@molten oasis cloverbells posted a zacian teambuilding vid like

5-10 min ago

[molten oasis]

I’ll check it out ty

[bold geode]

Zamazenta better

[rustic mountain]

a sp atker canon dog or something wouldve been cool as the third

[bold geode]

Never forget

[rustic mountain]

haha yea i remember the meme but also in a toned down sense a canon or something could work

[bold geode]

Yeah

[rustic mountain]

too late now

well have to wait for gen 14 w/ swsh remakes

[molten oasis]

i know monke

i know

[bold geode]

[molten oasis]

i know what i've gotten myself into

[rustic mountain]

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokemon-shield-pokemon-plush-plush-plushie-gif-22905345

Zamazenta supremacy

Everyone shall convert to the true goat

[molten oasis]

you know i wont

[bold geode]

I can accept a little force

[molten oasis]

you would need to do a lot to get me to play zama, zacians my favorite pokemon

im going to use it cuz it can work and ik it works

[bold geode]

I got ideas

[rustic mountain]

horse, dog, turtle or electric bike

[molten oasis]

i didn't like any of them, miraidon a little lol

[bold geode]

I'll bring apple man to life and make him assault you Drago

This what Drago gonna see on his Ring doorbell soon

[molten oasis]

uh huh sure

[rustic mountain]

monke wtf lmao

[foggy lodge]

Zacian Zamazenta double restricted trust me

[bold geode]

Maxi help me make apple man real so we can convert Dragonto Zamazenta

[foggy lodge]

what

[molten oasis]

no lol

i dont really think they have synergy with eachother

[rustic mountain]

thats jus a bad ai generated image apple man is a figment of ur imagination

[bold geode]

Zam Lunala true core

[molten oasis]

its from tofu

he found that scrolling reels

[bold geode]

That's what they tell you

[bold geode]

No I think that was found before reels

[molten oasis]

oh? i thought thats what he told me

[bold geode]

Idr

All I know is he's gonna touch me apparently

[rustic mountain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8CJezPcCuc

[bold geode]

Yes

[molten oasis]

seems clover likes prio tailwind over peli

[rustic mountain]

u like prio tw over peli

[molten oasis]

hes also playing regidrago with it so fair enough

i like any tailwind over peli i hate peli for speed control lol

[rustic mountain]

[molten oasis]

slow tailwind is NOT fun

[rustic mountain]

i like non prankster tw depending on the team

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-pokemon-pokemon-scarlet-roaring-moon-paradox-pokemon-gif-27223292

[foggy lodge]

i don't think tailwind pelipper is good in this reg

Maybe as a slot filler move but ehhh

[molten oasis]

i like booster support moon cuz it sits there and just annoys the oppnents

the team i had with peli didn't have speed control anywhere so it kinda had to be there

[foggy lodge]

idk what would you take from Pelipper to have tailwind, Wide Guard, Hurricane and the water move are necessary

[chrome knot]

https://tenor.com/view/iron-jugulis-hydreigon-pokemon-gif-9900724606209193308

[foggy lodge]

The free slot would be between HH tect and tailwind and idk

I prefer helping hand

[rustic mountain]

y does iron jugulis look demented there

[molten oasis]

lmfao

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 993: Iron Jugulis

Types

Dark/Flying

Abilities

Quark Drive

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

94/80/86/122/80/108

Total

570

Sableye version 4.28.1

[molten oasis]

solid mon

[rustic mountain]

i used it on a tang team from early reg g had like 4 dark types on it

[molten oasis]

the wo chine kyogre team kek

[mighty stump]

i literallt found it on reels and edited it

[molten oasis]

I WAS RIGHT

[rustic mountain]

yea it was cool

single strike urshi/ wo chien/jugulis/grimm/kyogre nd i forget the 6th

[molten oasis]

wasn't incin on that team?

[bold geode]

Was it gonna touch me before

[craggy dagger]

[foggy lodge]

That team is so cool but it dies to Tera fairy Miraidon lmao

[craggy dagger]

monke what???

[rustic mountain]

early reg g team, reason its not still in circulation

[rustic mountain]

oh shit i think ur right, 5 dark types if thats the case

[chrome knot]

nobaaaaaaaawhiuhfvaugywi

[craggy dagger]

emma are you ok-?

[chrome knot]

yeahhhhh

[timber falcon]

i just went from 1400 71% down to 1256 with 58%

holy fall off

[craggy dagger]

[chrome knot]

theres just

JUNK in my builder rnnnnnnn

[real prairie]

lol ill take it

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025reggbo3-2271719745-znfcmbeu669ec2t6kzkoaezz8k8h102pw

[shadow wind]

WE ARE SO BACK

[real prairie]

nice! whats your team?

[shadow wind]

https://pokepast.es/594dfc413a19fe4c

[real prairie]

nice to see a groudon team doing well

[shadow wind]

I just realized

[timber falcon]

ITS THAT EREN GUY

[shadow wind]

My Entei was missing 156 evs

This entire time

[real prairie]

haha i recognise that name too

[timber falcon]

legit lost to him yesterday

[real prairie]

i beat him like a few days ago, haven't seen him since

guess he kept climbing lol

[timber falcon]

i feel at peace knowing he hast gona far

[real prairie]

I don't, he left me for dust 🤣

[shadow wind]

Ladder gets so steep

5 points between one rank

[real prairie]

im hovering around 1300 atm on a new account after being at nearly 1600 on my main before falling off a cliff

[shadow wind]

I usually hover 1500 but sometimes I get into a groove with the team

Like I think I went from 1480 something to 1666 undefeated

[chrome knot]

good god this was a tough game to watch

[real prairie]

it was painful to play

[chrome knot]

u both just played like shit

[shadow wind]

Word

[real prairie]

i cant argue with that tbh

[shadow wind]

That calm mind in front of Whims is greedy

And stupid

[real prairie]

he should have won when he faked out whims

[shadow wind]

100%

Why’d you keep thundering?

[real prairie]

scarf'd

[shadow wind]

Ohhhhhhh

Ok that makes more sense

[real prairie]

yeah it wasn't willingly lool

[shadow wind]

I was like “Is this guy really just going for para hax?”

[real prairie]

haha no, but i appreciated them considering the circumstances

[shadow wind]

Hey there can always be an explanation

[real prairie]

including stupid, stupid can be an explanation

[shadow wind]

Fosho

[bold geode]

Wha

[real prairie]

like my continued use of Scarf Kyogre... but every time i use any other kyogre i get pissed off with Origin pulse misses, or being outsped lol

[bold geode]

You talking about Shilliang NAIC team? Nah it was 4 Dark
Incin/Grimm/Jugulis/Wo Chien/Rapid Strike Ursh/Kyogre

[shadow wind]

Yeah at least Kyogre has a better spread water move

😔

[real prairie]

even a single hit water move

[shadow wind]

Tera water Tera blast !!

[real prairie]

interesting idea, but being able to be nuked by Thunderclap isn't fun lol

or Grassy Glide

[shadow wind]

Also true

[bold geode]

The Wo Chien Kyogre concept was cool AF, just wish it wasn't so Dark type heavy

[shadow wind]

The only cool Kyogre team

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 1001: Wo-Chien

Types

Dark/Grass

Abilities

Tablets of Ruin

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

85/85/100/95/135/70

Total

570

Sableye version 4.28.1

Ability: Tablets of Ruin

Active Pokemon without this Ability have their Attack multiplied by 0.75.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[shadow wind]

Lowkey awesome stats

[bold geode]

Also ngl I think Grimmsnarl is fucking mid lmao
Or at least I hate that thing
It's not flexible at all
At least not Screens set but the other set in G don't feel good either

[real prairie]

which lowers mons Sp Def 👀

[shadow wind]

The wide lens set?

[real prairie]

Chi Yu might actually be a really nice addition to my team looking at it now

Dark-Fire good counter to Caly Ice, Beads of Ruin boosts damage for Kyogre

[shadow wind]

Chi yu and rain?

[rustic mountain]

ty for correction

[gentle crag]

treeco. has given 1 Gen Rep to dollarmonke

[real prairie]

almost like Incin, use it purely as a dark type almost

[shadow wind]

It’s a cool idea

[rustic mountain]

incin is not used as a pure dark type really ever

[shadow wind]

On rain it usually is

[rustic mountain]

only a few teams really use generally ones that dont need the coverage or on rain

otherwise u want that fire stab

[real prairie]

Incin often runs Fake Out, Knock Off, Parting Shot, Taunt/Willo

[shadow wind]

For sure

[shadow wind]

On rain yeah

[rustic mountain]

also incin is a different use case then chi yu, they function extremely different

[real prairie]

they do, it wouldn't be a replacement

[bold geode]

Nah
So essentially this set was basically ran by me and Tofu (mostly Tofu but I copied him)
Essentially in earlier Regs some Grimm would run Screens AND Parting Shot, but me and Tofu would essentially just use Parting Shot as a pseudo screen that way we had more slots to expand options with supporting moves
Cuz people tend to forget Grimm actually has a TON of good support moves
Like it's movepool is honestly batshit crazy

Like

[tiny karma]

Grimmsnarl's moveset:

Physical Moves

Assurance, Bite, Body Press, Body Slam, Brick Break, Crunch, Darkest Lariat, Drain Punch, Facade, Fake Out, False Surrender, Fire Punch, Fling, Focus Punch, Foul Play, Giga Impact, Hammer Arm, Ice Punch, Lash Out, Leech Life, Low Kick, Low Sweep, Mega Kick, Mega Punch, Play Rough, Power Whip, Power-Up Punch, Retaliate, Revenge, Shadow Claw, Spirit Break, Stomping Tantrum, Sucker Punch, Superpower, Take Down, Thief, Throat Chop, Thunder Punch, Trailblaze

Special Moves

Burning Jealousy, Chilling Water, Dark Pulse, Dazzling Gleam, Draining Kiss, Focus Blast, Hyper Beam, Round, Snore, Tera Blast, Uproar

Status Moves

Attract, Bulk Up, Confide, Endure, Fake Tears, Flatter, Focus Energy, Imprison, Light Screen, Metronome, Misty Terrain, Nasty Plot, Parting Shot, Power Swap, Protect, Reflect, Rest, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Swagger, Taunt, Thunder Wave, Torment, Trick, Wonder Room

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Grimmsnarl.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[bold geode]

Look at its movepool

[rustic mountain]

no im saying like using the equivalent of that idea of incin as a pure dark type doesnt apply to chi yu even on a rain team, u want both stabs

[tiny karma]

Move: Power Swap

The user swaps its Attack and Special Attack stat stage changes with the target.

Type

Psychic

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Authentic

Bypasses substitute.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[bold geode]

There's so many good moves in that movepool

[real prairie]

fair. maybe a lead without Kyogre to nullify leading Rillas and Caly Ice

[rustic mountain]

yea u could be more particular w/ ur positioning

[real prairie]

fire stab takes a hit when kyogre hits the field, but kyogre gets the buff from the SpDef drops

[rustic mountain]

just gta be aware wen ur choosin wat and if its just choice'd gta be even more cognizant

[real prairie]

my Kyogre is scarf'd so i wouldn't put a choice on Chi Yu too

[bold geode]

But the set I'm talking about is not as good as screens especially in Reg G cuz like
The set really relies on moves that target things or like Fake Out and due to Fake Out + Prankster a lot of priority blockers can abuse that set

[rustic mountain]

yea i think screens just wind up being the most consistent

even seen ppl jus opt for 1 screen and have something else to supplement the other like intimidate and just drop reflect

[real prairie]

only thing ive ever been able to do to negate screens was hope i could fake out and 1 shot Grimm which is not an easy feat, or just spam helping hands to negate the screen drop 🤣 I should consider a screen breaker in my team but it feels niche

[bold geode]

Eric Rios did that at Worlds
He was running CM on Terapagos so he like
Dropped Light Screen

[real prairie]

anyone know what Tera Blast power is after same type Tera?

[left bobcat]

💯

[rustic mountain]

right yea, i think something like that is more realistic then dropping screens completely

[real prairie]

so Water mon, tera water, tera blast is 100 damage?

[left bobcat]

Idk

[real prairie]

oh haha

[tiny karma]

Move: Tera Blast

If the user is Terastallized, this move becomes a physical attack if the user's Attack is greater than its Special Attack, including stat stage changes, and this move's type becomes the same as the user's Tera Type. In addition, if the user's Tera Type is Stellar, this move has 100 power, is super effective against Terastallized targets and neutral against other targets, and lowers the user's Attack and Special Attack by 1 stage.

Type

Normal

Category

Special

Power

80

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[molten oasis]

only 100 if stellar

[real prairie]

yeah but what about same type

[left bobcat]

Woahhhh

[molten oasis]

2x stab instead of 1.5x stab

[left bobcat]

Wdym same type?

[real prairie]

so 2x80?

So tera water tera blast would be a 160 damage single target attack? lol

[real prairie]

So the example im trying to work out is Tera water, Tera blast Kyogre

[molten oasis]

bascially

why

[real prairie]

Kyogre doesn't have a good single target water move

[rustic mountain]

rip scald

[plain drum]

F

[left bobcat]

Ohhhhh

[molten oasis]

wdym just click hydro pump

[rustic mountain]

u click hydro pump

[left bobcat]

NO

[molten oasis]

just dont miss

[real prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-well-im-screwed-michael-groth-mandjtv-mandjtv-plays-i-screwed-it-up-gif-24365179

[left bobcat]

Right I’ll just tell Kyogre “you better not miss or I’ll turn you to sashimi”

Man I wonder what Kyogre would taste like

[shadow wind]

I live by this

[left bobcat]

I got lucky yesterday

Prankster grim tried to t wave my zacian TWICE

Missed both times

[timber falcon]

not once has a twave missed my zacian and not resulted in an instant paralysis

[gentle crag]

Result: 600.000000

[real prairie]

Tera water water spout in rain calc is 150x2x2 right?

[torn parrot]

wooowooooo the pawmot team is consistent in best of 3

i think the team is finally finished

finallyyyyy

[real prairie]

NICE!

[torn parrot]

i like imprison

it lets me avoid 50/50s

[bold geode]

@molten oasis who you got winnin

[molten oasis]

[bold geode]

Eh it sorta worked back then so 🤷‍♂️

[mint void]

2x

Tera is worse buff than rain on water mons.

[real prairie]

so yeah, its still a bit Meh

[mint void]

1.5x1.5 is just more

[real prairie]

Rain is x2 no?

[mint void]

Nah 200% is good. Just rain or aun are better for fire and water mons

[shadow wind]

Bazinga

[mint void]

@real prairie rain is 1.5 and STAB is 1.5

[real prairie]

or is it just /2 to fire

[shadow wind]

So it goes 2.25x

[mint void]

But they dont add up to 2x but do 80x1.5x1.5

[shadow wind]

Yup

[mint void]

Basically yeah.

[mint void]

0.5 to fire

[real prairie]

half fire damage, 1.5x water damage, cool. always thought it was double dunno why

[tiny karma]

Move: Rain Dance

For 5 turns, the weather becomes Rain Dance. The damage of Water-type attacks is multiplied by 1.5 and the damage of Fire-type attacks is multiplied by 0.5 during the effect. Lasts for 8 turns if the user is holding Damp Rock. Fails if the current weather is Rain Dance.

Type

Water

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

5 (8)

Targets

Field

Introduced

Generation 2

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[shadow wind]

That's why I consider weather more defensive

They weaken things more than they strengthen them

[real prairie]

So tera water, water spout in the rain would be 150x2x1.5

[gentle crag]

Result: 450.000000

[left bobcat]

Ahhhhhh snap

[lofty tartan]

You joke but I was clicking Hydro Pumps into WG Zamazenta with Kyogre and winning 🤷

[molten oasis]

nice lol

[shadow wind]

Me when I heat crash

And it is 40 base power

[real prairie]

yeah think i just have to swallow the low accuracy

[lofty tartan]

80% is still greater than 50% so it's not as bad as people want to meme about.

[shadow wind]

Holy Groudon

[real prairie]

if its not 100% accurate...

[shadow wind]

I literally have an alt that has the name "Not100it's50"

[lofty tartan]

If it's not 100% accurate it's a risk vs reward scenario. Your risk is missing, your reward is usually a KO

[bold geode]

Nuh Uh

[lofty tartan]

Just don't put yourself into a position where "If I miss this I lose". That's a positioning/piloting thing. It's the same as putting yourself in a position to lose to a crit.

[shadow wind]

You should see some of my games

[bold geode]

Yeah
Or just be me
Don't be a bitch
Tera Dragon and don't WG
Press that big ass fish

[shadow wind]

Double Pblade miss usually does it

[next stump]

how dare you use probability logic

[lofty tartan]

LOL sorry Dillon, I'll be better next time. xD

[bold geode]

Yeah how dare you use logic

[real prairie]

logic? where?

i love that guy

[dapper crag]

Hii everyone

[bold geode]

Logic? I prefer Eminem

[real prairie]

Ciao

[lofty tartan]

Logic is technically mathematical, so like... Pokemon is a math game. lol

[real prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[dapper crag]

i make orange rym with banana

[bold geode]

A rapper teaches math?

[lofty tartan]

I'm going to hit you now. I don't know when I'll stop.

[real prairie]

So thats what the song 1-800-273-8255 meant, its math

[bold geode]

Plz stop when I'm not breathing

[spiral ridge]

Monkey hide the kinks man

[left bobcat]

Jermaine

[real prairie]

misread that as "breeding" and wish i hadn't

[bold geode]

Who said it was a kink

[spiral ridge]

Me to make you look bad

[lofty tartan]

Trust me, no one cares about Monke's kinks.

[chrome knot]

why do i have to tab into this

[spiral ridge]

:3

[bold geode]

My kink is being smart cuz I need a bad bitch who can balance out my Idiocracy

[lofty tartan]

Besides, God got to Monke before you Scotty. He already made him look bad.

[real prairie]

Shiny Chien-Pao says hi

[lofty tartan]

[bold geode]

Wow how could you

[chrome knot]

lmao

[spiral ridge]

True but he hit me with that extra hard too

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-i-thought-what-we-had-was-special-spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-gif-25252207

[lofty tartan]

Well you two are just unfortunate, aren't you?

[chrome knot]

https://tenor.com/view/groudon-kick-gif-15601059942557706163

@bold geode does this to u

[shadow wind]

NOOOO

[bold geode]

I'm a Ghost type, that don't affect me

[chrome knot]

no tf u aint

[bold geode]

What type am I then

[real prairie]

he will be when you are done

[bold geode]

I'm definitely a special attacker

No reason

[real prairie]

i usually end that sentence at Special

[molten oasis]

bruh

[lofty tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-okay-point-seinfeld-agree-gif-23899735

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/cyclops-ryu-dap-me-up-dap-dap-up-gif-2485274535169214603

[chrome knot]

stupid(normal)

[bold geode]

YOU GET BACK HERE SIR

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-walking-away-leaving-bye-pepe-the-frog-gif-6463915606758186278

[bold geode]

Yeah well you're a
Uuuhhh
A stinky type

[real prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-garp-aokiji-kuzan-garp-vs-aokiji-gif-8694662296006827744

[lofty tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/my-job-here-is-done-bye-done-gif-14879937

[real prairie]

single handedly most useless anime character in history

[chrome knot]

but you did nothing!!

[bold geode]

Yeah
He was quite effective today

[real prairie]

exactly like tuxedo mask

[real prairie]

Some would say "Super effective"

[left bobcat]

Omg it’s the guy from smash bros

[lofty tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/sailor-moon-crystal-tuxedo-mask-tuxedo-la-smoking-bomber-attack-energy-blast-gif-20299132

[bold geode]

Nah it's the guy from Fortnite dumbass

[left bobcat]

Nuh uh

[real prairie]

who bothered to re-animate this prick and why?

[spiral ridge]

I’ll probably be single longer than him somehow

[real prairie]

I was not aware.

[bold geode]

Yeah I got some fire poetry to pick up the ladies

[real prairie]

everything getting a remake nowadays

[spiral ridge]

Your ass can’t make a single elegant sentence be quiet

[real prairie]

whilst dating each other, thats quite the accomplishment

[bold geode]

"Fruit Salad yummy yummy
Fruit Salad in my tummy"
So inspirational

[spiral ridge]

Let’s not start this rumor

[lofty tartan]

It's mainly because the Sailor Moon that was adapted to anime strayed a lot from the manga.

I only watched Sailor Moon as a kid when there wasn't really any anime to watch in my area. My daughter watches it now.

[real prairie]

rumour, what rumour

[spiral ridge]

Quiet

[bold geode]

Yeah let's not start the rumor that I'm dating a minor uh

[spiral ridge]

Yeah

[chrome knot]

omg its like scums wish…..

[spiral ridge]

NO😭

[lofty tartan]

Chat's getting a bit creepy.

[spiral ridge]

I will not be doing ANY of those scenarios with him

[real prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/that-escalated-quickly-escalator-gif-11425521

[bold geode]

Anyways
Pokemon

[left bobcat]

Chat

[real prairie]

i did try with my "Super Effective" joke, but alas