#competitive_discussion

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bold geode
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What's your team Drago?

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Btw @craggy dagger what say you

craggy dagger
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uhhh
prolly not lol-

molten oasis
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buuut im rethinking it and genuinely considering roaring moon

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slow tailwind sucks

dull ibex
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binch

foggy lodge
molten oasis
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okay, shut up

foggy lodge
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i think you already saw my idea with Zacian Roaring Moon and Ogerpon Teal Mask

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Teal mask can probably rotate i used Peli Urshi Lando to hate Incin

molten oasis
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i figured on paper its like, fine into CSR and with tera its also fine into CIR, i like fast talwind that i can stagger

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like

foggy lodge
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idk i think roaring needs tera flying

molten oasis
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idt its amazing but it seems decent

foggy lodge
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it has a niche to patch some match ups

bold geode
mighty stump
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But thats for offensive reasons tho

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Otherwise theres better typings defensively

molten oasis
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im thinking moon as a support option

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not really an offense option

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but it could cuz i'd still be using pao

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eh actually idk if there'd be room

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starting with 3 fairy weaknesses sounds kinda shit

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eh but also zac could give 2 shits about a fairy type

foggy lodge
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lowkey you have only 2 Chien Pao is 2HKOd by almost everything

molten oasis
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true lmao

foggy lodge
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You are not lorb pao right

molten oasis
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pao doesn't have a weakness, because it explodes to everything kek

molten oasis
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noooo

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why would i do thaaat

foggy lodge
molten oasis
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tofu got me on lorb pao

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it does so much damage

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i'll build a concept later

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doin gundam atm

foggy lodge
bold geode
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What should I play tonight

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Marvel Rivals

strange fjord
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did they play rivals?

molten oasis
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no cuz monke doesn't play by the rules of the poll

strange fjord
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who needs rules?

bold geode
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I'm weegeecee rn bitch chimchad

molten oasis
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no you aint

bold geode
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Yuh Huh

molten oasis
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ok what server are you in

bold geode
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Private

molten oasis
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ok

bold geode
molten oasis
bold geode
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So close to just making apple man pfp

molten oasis
bold geode
# molten oasis zac pao shifu peli lando oger corner

I straight up ignored this MB
Uh
Pao Shifu not bad into it
Zac probably not either (it's Water tera so B Blade not good but other moves not bad)
Lando could pressure Eleki idr if it runs coverage
Corner probably good into it
If you do Roaring Moon over Peli like it's probably aight into it but not that much, if Peli you can like WG spam for Glacial Lance stuff
You definitely got tools for it, thing is you have to remember

  1. Farigiraf ain't bad on that team actually
  2. There's 2 things in Eleki and Power Whip Ogerpon that threaten Urshifu
molten oasis
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i still have to like, make that

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idk if im commiting to moon

chrome knot
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i pway trainer school tomrw

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knotty mirage
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Is there a reason why in this reg there so many people who use delphox as their psyspammer ?

dense latch
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and hits hard

molten oasis
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armarouge is also mid

dense latch
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^

knotty mirage
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Ah yeah looking at the speed seem's to be good replacement with iron crown not available on the reg

dense latch
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it fulfills the fast psyspammer role better than armarouge does

balmy glen
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Maybe

chrome knot
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thats ok

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i just smashed 5 cir components together just to test

balmy glen
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Goat

bold geode
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@balmy glen what calcs should I do for uh
Entei

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Actually have my own spreads for all the mons that aren't bad except for Entei
Friend's spread that ain't bad but I'd like to make one of my own lol

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Nvm think a tiny tweak was all it needed lol

timber falcon
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When team building, how do i stop myself from making the mistake of making the wrong choices?

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For example, is it fine to choose a mon for one specific counter?

bold geode
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Trial and error unfortunately

timber falcon
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guess ill keep going then

balmy glen
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I’ll be using it soon tho after I recover from my sickness lul

bold geode
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Lol
It's aight
Did one tiny adjustment (i moved literally one stat point around it's totally a new spread)

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But now I did my own stuff for all 6

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Big pog

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Though I'm big fan of Ursh spread hehehe

tiny karmaBOT
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Ability: Neutralizing Gas

While this Pokemon is active, Abilities have no effect. This Ability activates before hazards and other Abilities take effect. Does not affect the As One, Battle Bond, Comatose, Disguise, Gulp Missile, Ice Face, Multitype, Neutralizing Gas, Power Construct, RKS System, Schooling, Shields Down, Stance Change, Tera Shift, Zen Mode, or Zero to Hero Abilities.

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timber falcon
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any clue of a tw mon that can deal reliable damage without dying to ice moves in a seconds?

mighty stump
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Ho-Oh, Lunala ☠️

timber falcon
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my slot taken already GengarSad

mighty stump
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Well

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Theres Corviknight

molten oasis
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peli kinda

timber falcon
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ill take it

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thanks for the ideas

molten oasis
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volcarona

timber falcon
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lemme actually show the team for better context

mighty stump
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Just run Peli there

timber falcon
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yeah it makes the most sense

molten oasis
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peli fs

timber falcon
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for the next addition, just as an idea, would iron hands fit?

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need a mon that can do damage but also exist in trick room

mighty stump
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Given the context of the team I think you mainly want to avoid TR going up in the first place

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You might as well use the JPN prio spam Zacian team I found and passed to Drago

molten oasis
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lol that teams so funny

timber falcon
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may i see it?

molten oasis
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I suck with it but it’s cool

timber falcon
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i stopped using teams i dont make myself lol, never able to reach 1200 whenever i do

molten oasis
timber falcon
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quick attack?

molten oasis
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quick attack.

timber falcon
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oh my god its also tera normal

molten oasis
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Yup

craggy dagger
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what

solid frigate
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what

molten oasis
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what

timber falcon
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what

charred saddle
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damn

left bobcat
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Damn

graceful scaffold
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damp

forest arrow
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damp

real prairie
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Did I miss something? Lol

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Is there anything that can 1 shot Lunala? It's basically a guaranteed TR 🤬

torn parrot
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Garfoofooo

torn parrot
timber falcon
timber falcon
real prairie
real prairie
torn parrot
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Reg G trick room is the worst shit to play into

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Actually trapped in hell

real prairie
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It's hell

torn parrot
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I literally have both taunt and imprison trick room on my team

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Cus fuck em

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🖕

real prairie
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My 2 biggest issues seem to be hard trick room teams and Rillabooms 🤣

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I'm slowly becoming Frieza out here with my hatred towards the monkey

next stump
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because if you can deny fake out and out speed it, that’s huge

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especially since they’re mostly all tera fire so you have them checked both ways with your team

real prairie
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And to negate the pain when Rilla out speeds and clicks uturn 🤣

next stump
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definitely makes sense, but keep in mind ice resists ice

real prairie
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Ice tera may be the one

next stump
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236 Atk Tera-Ice Tsareena Triple Axel (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Rillaboom: 208-254 (100.4 - 122.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
(1st hit: 36, 36, 38, 38, 38, 38, 38, 38, 38, 42, 42, 42, 42, 42, 42, 44; 2nd hit: 68, 72, 72, 72, 72, 74, 74, 74, 78, 78, 78, 78, 80, 80, 80, 84; 3rd hit: 104, 108, 108, 108, 110, 110, 114, 114, 116, 116, 116, 120, 120, 122, 122, 126)

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Jolly Tsareena will almost always OHKO (and outspeed) Rilla

real prairie
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Noice

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Need to consider something to operate in TR, preferably resists ice and ghost

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I keep circling back to gambit but not sure

cyan smelt
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Iron hands

real prairie
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Straight swap for Archa

cyan smelt
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Low kick 2hko I think

real prairie
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Wonder if tera fire fire punch would ohko

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Worst case it provides another fake out option to stop TR

cyan smelt
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Caly I is really bulky

real prairie
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Stall*

cyan smelt
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I don't think anything is picking up a ohko on caly i

real prairie
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I've done it before with a flare blitz incin but think they weren't bulk ev'd

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So hands to operate in TR or something to imprison TR, mmhh

cyan smelt
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Farig foul play imprison

left bobcat
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Farig protect trick room

real prairie
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Farig and tserena though?

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Maybe I just bring after you Clefairy and let my fast mons nuke in TR 🤣

cyan smelt
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After you clefairy could work

next stump
real prairie
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It just didn't seem to threaten Caly Ice or Lunala very much

left bobcat
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You just gotta gun it

timber falcon
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its what i run and its working pretty well

real prairie
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Could run wisp tbf

left bobcat
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Well there’s a chance they run tea fire

timber falcon
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try wisp if u want to play it into caly i, unless taunt is needed

timber falcon
left bobcat
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So taunt for sure

real prairie
left bobcat
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Imprison trick room

chrome knot
timber falcon
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kyogre?

real prairie
real prairie
timber falcon
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so only 1 mon resists ice

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thats a problem

cyan smelt
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3 grass types on the same team is pretty iffy

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Do you really need tw with scarf kyogre and ludicolo

timber falcon
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yeah i was looking at that combo, kyogre should be enough

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also you can replace tsareena for imprison farig

left bobcat
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Kyogre- hmmmm

next stump
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tsareena is super good on those kyogre comps

left bobcat
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Scarf Kyogre at that too

next stump
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you need something to threaten raging bolt and rilla

timber falcon
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hes got poison lando already, is it worth the double down?

left bobcat
cyan smelt
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Isn't wo chien usually on those ogre teams

real prairie
timber falcon
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anyways one mon does have to go right?

cyan smelt
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Urshifu would be super good here

timber falcon
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yeah but it doesnt solve caly-I

left bobcat
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Urshifu chien pao torn tsareena are all good options

timber falcon
real prairie
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Any mons can go apart from Ludicolo basically

timber falcon
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even kyogre?

real prairie
real prairie
cyan smelt
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Do you really need tw if what you're struggling with is rilla and tr

timber falcon
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i mean hes playing scarf

left bobcat
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Tera fire Kyogre switch when the sun comes out arkeknine

timber falcon
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maybe scarf isnt needed though

left bobcat
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Scarf is not needed

timber falcon
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yeah

real prairie
left bobcat
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Specs or mystic water Kyogre works

timber falcon
left bobcat
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Even leftovers Kyogre

timber falcon
cyan smelt
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Have you thought about Urshifu single strike

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At least forces a tera out of lunala

real prairie
left bobcat
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Urshifu either a scarf or a focus sash works

timber falcon
left bobcat
real prairie
timber falcon
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i see

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youre kinda playing a distrupt/offensive set though

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idk if both will work

left bobcat
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IT HAS TO ☝️😼

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by the power of friendship ☝️😼

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The team will get walled by my miraidon team so- OOF

cyan smelt
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Ik the feels I want to try and make skeledirge work because my team in reg g part 1 had skeledirge and I did well with it

left bobcat
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Skeledirge in reg g? Mmmmmmmmmmmm

timber falcon
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im no genius but i dont think its a great idea to build the team around a non restricted mon this format

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ive tried this before

cyan smelt
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No I built around zamazenta but I struggled with dozo so I kept skeledirge around for dozo

timber falcon
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unaware :0

real prairie
timber falcon
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unless specific slots in the team are filled

cyan smelt
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I have torn, urshifu, rilla, Zama, chien Pao and skeledirge

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Anyway sorry this is about oneofakindof

next stump
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i just checked and it seems like no ludicolo's in reg G version 1 (from may-august) earned any points, so you can be the first one!

left bobcat
next stump
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just gotta go 4-4 or 5-3 at birmingham to claim that title

cyan smelt
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I want to try and use skeledirge at Brisbane

timber falcon
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wait theres a regional in England?

left bobcat
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England?

timber falcon
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or tournament

real prairie
timber falcon
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ofc when i have GCSE revision GengarSad

real prairie
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Fuck GCSE, be a pkmn master

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(that is not serious career advise)

next stump
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some team inspirations you could use

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just find a way to add ludi

timber falcon
cyan smelt
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Iron jugulis hurricanes hurt

next stump
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yep, labmaus

timber falcon
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nice

next stump
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just make sure to set the parameters to what you want

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in this case, I searched for Kyogre/Tsareena teams

real prairie
gentle cragBOT
real prairie
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Seems I'm along the right path, need few minor tweaks

timber falcon
next stump
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what do you want to search for? I can help

timber falcon
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nvm i was looking at the wrong section

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just wanted to look at zacian teams

next stump
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grant weldon is the zacian king this format

timber falcon
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He doesnt show up when i look for player names

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Does he go bu something else in tournaments

left bobcat
next stump
left bobcat
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Weeeeeeeee

next stump
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that was his LA team he used to make a really good run

timber falcon
gentle cragBOT
next stump
timber falcon
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did he do any interviews explaining the reasons for his choices?

real prairie
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I had considered some version of sweet scent Ludicolo + origin pulse Kyogre

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real prairie
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Maybe cloak calm mind Kyogre with fake out, encore, sweet scent, gigadrain Ludicolo

timber falcon
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raging bolt?

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amoongus?

next stump
timber falcon
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do u have the last 4 in mind

next stump
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haven’t watched the video

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but there you go

real prairie
real prairie
timber falcon
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thanks DIllion

real prairie
next stump
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does ludi get icy wind

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icy wind + fake out alongside calm mind kyogre could be pretty good

real prairie
next stump
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and run something like assault vest

real prairie
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On Ludicolo? It having encore with fake out is super useful though

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Basically threatens any more trying to protect with an encore

bold geode
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@balmy glen my ass running friend's Entei spread now cuz my dumbass moved a stat point to do something it ALREADY did KekHands

next stump
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oh shit yeah encore would be nice

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I ran calm mind kyogre at worlds and really enjoyed playing with it

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but the RNG element can be reallyyyyy painful

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it seems to miss origin pulse every time you need it to hit

bold geode
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Why do I have to work today
Bruh I just
I want to do that one VGCTS Limitless tour LMAO

real prairie
next stump
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does that only activate on ludicolo’s switch in?

real prairie
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It's a move, lowers both opponents evasion

next stump
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ohhh

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i was thinking hydrapple’s ability

real prairie
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Think Whims also gets it

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Incase of need of TR

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Cloak or clear amulet Kyogre though?

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I don't mind going full support Ludicolo tbf, fake out, encore, sweet scent, icy wind

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Why the dancing giant hand pineapple doesn't get helping hand, I'll never understand

next stump
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I think leftovers is the way to go personally, but I could see cloak being useful

real prairie
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Stops fake out pressure threatening your calm mind and means you don't lose speed to icy wind Flutters

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Or electrowebs

left bobcat
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Yeah

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What they said

torn parrot
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Iv noticed that kyogre enables the most amount of shitmons

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Which makes me wanna try him

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Tsareena raichu basculgeion ludicolo

We got some buddies up in here

left bobcat
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Shit mons…..

torn parrot
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For me The selling point of competitive Pokémon is freedom you get to make your own team

Thats personally why I reject reg G

I don’t want to know what to run and I don’t want to it to be simple

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The fun of being surprised when I build a team is what I enjoy (personally not for everyone)

atomic portal
left bobcat
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I just try anything

chrome knot
foggy lodge
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what did bascu do to be called shitmon😭

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he is kinda cool

cyan smelt
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Is basc in rain faster than caly s

foggy lodge
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for sure

tiny karmaBOT
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Sableye version 4.28.1
foggy lodge
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252 adamant Basculegion hits 260 in rain

torn parrot
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You guys nitpicking GrrUmbreon

I didn’t mean it like that

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He just got lumped in

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I call a lot of mons shitmons when they don’t seem like they belong in a format even if they arnt actually shitmons

bold geode
dull ibex
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terapagos with clefairy specifically

mighty stump
# torn parrot For me The selling point of competitive Pokémon is freedom you get to make your ...

Technically the higher power formats can provide the same level of flexibility in the lower power formats

Greater degrees of role compression increases slot efficiency therefore opening up more slots for niche tactics - yet arguably the the higher power level breaks anything that is dishonest

Lower power formats can perhaps open up more tactics but increase centralisation due to lower levels of options being available to deal with main metamons

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I reject Reg H the same you might Reg G - I didn’t think it was a very creative format

real prairie
dull ibex
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we are pretty close to getting restricteds back

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and im excited for it

bold geode
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@mighty stump I'm salty

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After I take so long making good EVs for MDB's team right
I see he goes back to Zama

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WITH ADJUSTMENTS THAT AREN'T BAD

real prairie
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Is there a site to get popular ev spreads from?

chrome knot
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sand force landorus😔

balmy glen
chrome knot
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someone jjst take me out back and pull the trigger already

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bold geode
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Also MDB made adjustments after I did all that work EVing
Damn it lol

bold geode
chrome knot
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NOTHING IS WORKINGGGGG

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i just hate this game in general alot

bold geode
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Sadge

chrome knot
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the irk i feel being permanently mid/lower echelon while lacking motivation to slam my head into a brick wall is alot rn tbh

bold geode
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I just look at it now as just needing to improve more than "I'm bad"

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Like I'm not as good as a lot of these skilled players sure
But I can still improve upon my own game

chrome knot
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im at the stagnation wall

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and its too high up for me to climb

bold geode
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Usually when you're at that wall (or at least in my case) it's cuz there's a tiny detail that's being missed

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So I focus on finding that detail and fix it

chrome knot
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missing an entire fucking brain

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mental health sucks

bold geode
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I mean if that were it then I'd be a lost cause

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Oh the mental health
Bad timing on my end mb

next stump
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when’s your next regional? can you take a couple weeks off from playing and just shiny hunt/vibe

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cool thing about VGC is there’s no mechanics like other games, just thinking, so breaks are pretty easy to take

chrome knot
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vancouver so not till march i just dont want to always fall behind

next stump
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what’s going wrong with testing? just losing more than you’d like?

chrome knot
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i can’t find something i jive with

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just permanent losses that just feel bad

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then it just makes me upset

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and even more reluctant to play

next stump
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my advice would be to play a limited amount of games per day and make sure that you review all of them

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something like 5-10 bo3’s per day

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i have felt very similarly before and i feel like hitting my head against the proverbial wall always results in worse results for me

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you should see how many variants of Reg F teams I had before a tournament, probably 20-30

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and it didn’t help me at all

chrome knot
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i spent a whole fucking year learning nothing playing psyspam ;/

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im so far behind it feels like

dense latch
chrome knot
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i just feel the 2-2er friend collecting these 4-4 finishes at regionals

next stump
# dense latch what’s a good approach to reviewing games? like what questions should i be askin...

I usually look at/think about

  • Did I assess team preview correctly? Did they lead what I expected and did I lead correctly? If not, what can I change?
  • Look at each turn individually. Did I make the correct move given the current board state. With a clear head and more time to think, can I think of a better move?
  • If I lost the game, was it due to poor pokemon choices, poor move selection, etc. If a loss was due to RNG, could I have played in a way where RNG was not a factor?
  • If you’re playing against a common archetype, what sort of adjustments/conclusions can you draw that will help you in this matchup moving forward? How could your opponent adjust in a best of 3 to react to your gameplan/pokemon?
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It is very difficult, but I try my best to remove any bias from my review.

next stump
chrome knot
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i just think i respect my opponents too much and play rly cautious

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like i don’t take the initiative in my games alot like its very reactionary instead

dense latch
gentle cragBOT
next stump
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That’s 100% the normal human response. One thing you’ll notice, the more you pay attention to it, is it’s the same people who always complain about RNG

mighty stump
next stump
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and they’re never really improving due to it IMO

mighty stump
next stump
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Wolfe lost in the finals of a regional last year due to being frozen from ice beam for multiple turns, he later released a video going through his run and says that he could have avoided being in that position and is just mad at himself

next stump
# chrome knot i just think i respect my opponents too much and play rly cautious

For your next locals, try to consciously recognize when you’re playing too passively and address it. At Toronto, I noticed in my round 5 or 6 that I was playing REALLY sloppy game 1. I timed out on a turn, I accidentally protected the wrong pokemon, etc. I wrote down an actual note in my notebook while playing that said something like “STOP PLAYING SLOPPY, START FOCUSING” and underlined it and spent the rest of the game just reminded myself that I was still in a winning position while playing so poorly. If I could just focus and think, game 2 (or 3) would be easy

chrome knot
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dude in toronto

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i timed out 2 turns in a row :v

next stump
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Corny shit like that really does help the human brain adjust IMO

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nerves are real and same with being tired/unfocused/etc.

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timing out is the worst feeling

foggy lodge
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2-1 at trainer school

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i hope i get a better run this time

near crag
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Do y’all know a good place to find non official events? Cuz I live in Brazil, and there is one/two events here every year, and I can’t just casually go to a near country, so it makes it really hard to compete. Although, I open labmaus and keep seeing it flooded with tournament after tournament, so there must be a better way to find out about them than just stumbling on them on twitter

near crag
charred saddle
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like limitless?

near crag
torn parrot
charred saddle
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i think limitless do host quite a lot of non official tours

some of them i think do give out points also

bold geode
next stump
chrome knot
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idk im just puddle of

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o9ewsug8e9ihugnjse over this game some days

timber falcon
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any tips for zacian evs?

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not sure what i wanna live that i cant already

foggy lodge
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Tera water rain surging strikes

molten oasis
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how did i find the one grimmsnarl running spirit break man

left bobcat
timber falcon
whole ibex
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I really like this format lol

timber falcon
bold geode
left bobcat
molten oasis
dawn crown
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Is it true that reg G will be back

next stump
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yep, starting january 6th (or 7th) and going till april

timber falcon
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is this a glitch btw, or is 18/6 enough for 70%

image.png
dawn crown
#

Also does Landorous run jolly or modest more

chrome knot
#

jolly

next stump
#

modest and timid are pretty equally seen

chrome knot
#

wait

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timid not jolly lmfao

molten oasis
#

modest usually on scarf sets

dawn crown
#

ok ty

timber falcon
#

what does timid help outspeed?

tiny karmaBOT
#
Pokémon No. 645: Landorus
Types

Ground/Flying

Abilities

Sand Force, Sheer Force (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

89/125/90/115/80/101

Total

600

Other Formes

Landorus-Therian

Sableye version 4.28.1
dawn crown
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ogerpon

timber falcon
#

ogerpon still outspeeds with 188+

molten oasis
#

some ogerpon

dawn crown
#

if they are running adamant it outspeeds

timber falcon
#

guess that makes sense

molten oasis
#

i might need better anti incin shit i cannot beat this mf

timber falcon
#

whats ur team

molten oasis
#

pao shifu zac moon lando i ogerpon hearth

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i haven't been bringing lando that much

timber falcon
#

roaring moon?

molten oasis
#

yea

timber falcon
#

apart from tailwind how come

molten oasis
#

threatens CSR

timber falcon
#

pao

molten oasis
#

can die before

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moon doesn't

timber falcon
#

so its lorb

molten oasis
#

knock off+breaking swipe is good

timber falcon
#

fair enough

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though, having 1 mon that can kill incin which is quite slippery sounds risky

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including the fact that ur opponent is most likely gonna notice that advantage

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2 i mean, forgot shifu

fathom geyser
#

Okay so what's the reg g format, I've decided to give it a try.

timber falcon
fathom geyser
#

I went 0-4 in the tourney btw

fathom geyser
timber falcon
#

o

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1 restricted mon per team

fathom geyser
#

I should've said meta

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I have no clue because I tend to not play during restricted formats.

timber falcon
next stump
#

last big tournament of reg G

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urshifu-r/incin/rilla/amoonguss everywhere

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ogerpon forms very common as well

fathom geyser
#

I hate urshifu so much

timber falcon
#

oh well that explains why ive been seeing that miraidon team lately

molten oasis
#

incin dude, god

timber falcon
#

did u bring lando?

molten oasis
#

I CANT

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everyone got CIR so its ass

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and man do i just love losing to PARTING SHOT INTIMIDATE PARTING SHOT INTIMDIATE

timber falcon
#

have u tried peli

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do you have a paste btw?

molten oasis
#

theres no fucking beating that man when my team is so heavily reliant on shifu in that mu to remove incin

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look at that while i go suffer with another CIR mu

timber falcon
#

you dont have a tr answer?

fathom geyser
molten oasis
#

kingambit is not good with zacian

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gambit doesn't really do anything into incin

timber falcon
#

zacian hates fire and steel half the time

fathom geyser
#

Is the following idea sane?

Kyogre, Urshifu, Chienpao, Raichu + Whatever

molten oasis
#

my opponent isnt even at his screen lovely

fathom geyser
#

I hate urshifu therefore I will use it.

timber falcon
fathom geyser
timber falcon
#

so its gonna be scarf

fathom geyser
#

Nah

timber falcon
#

oh?

fathom geyser
#

In my personal opinion choice items are overvalued since the opportunity cost of being eterna stuck in one move just seems too detrimental in most situations plus their benefits just feel win more.

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I can see why I'm wrong but I still don't like using 'em whatsoever.

timber falcon
#

at some point i think you should try them out but i understand, id avoid them a lot too back in the day

molten oasis
#

idk if i need another anti incin thing or if i just need to figure out different moves

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3 of my members being effectively walled by it sucks

timber falcon
#

swappin in and out looks tricky for some MUs

molten oasis
#

and lando isnt an option into CIR cuz it will explode

molten oasis
fathom geyser
molten oasis
#

im not playing zama

timber falcon
fathom geyser
#

O h

molten oasis
fathom geyser
#

Chien pao regardless because he cool

molten oasis
#

on shifu, i dont click aqua jet

timber falcon
#

taunt

molten oasis
#

make's the CIR mu feel more manageable

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if trick room goes up i feel like i lose on the spot

fathom geyser
#

I'll just build the stupid rain ream to understand what to do bettar.

timber falcon
#

so you need a method of stopping tr from destroying u

molten oasis
#

the team has a 60% gxe at least

timber falcon
#

elo?

molten oasis
#

1345 cuz i keep tettering around

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and yk, losing to incin

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being incin

timber falcon
#

i feel like u gotta re evaluate your team quite a bit if tr is consistently defeating u

molten oasis
#

again i think taunt helps in that regard

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and yea no shit tr is kicking my ass everything's fast

timber falcon
#

maybe change that

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so that not everythings fast?

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cause you lose to mental herb/re direction tr

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along with the bulk to live through the relevent trick room mons

molten oasis
#

that requires team members to be replaced and i dont really think anyone except lando has felt bad

timber falcon
#

so what do you usually lead into tr?

molten oasis
#

shifu hearth

timber falcon
#

and if they manage to get it off?

molten oasis
#

try to play through it cuz thats all i can do

timber falcon
#

and thats a problem right?

molten oasis
#

yes

timber falcon
#

at least thats thouroghly been identified. The 2 main solutions for trick room would be to add a mon of your own that can take advantage of it/reduce the tempo in order to live though it, or to somehow increase your odds of it not being set up in the first place (e.g. imprison)

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and i do think the first option works better for your team

molten oasis
#

i just lost to their one out because the flame body proc chance for me is 100

timber falcon
#

i think before continuing the elo grind you should relax and improve the team ngl

molten oasis
#

i have to play to improve the team

timber falcon
#

youve already identified and pretty bad problem though

molten oasis
#

cuz i dont know if im just playing poorly which is totally something, or its a genuine team issue

timber falcon
#

i mean you certaintly dont have the tools to live through trick room. or to actually consistently avoid it

molten oasis
#

idk i'll think on it

timber falcon
#

good luck

molten oasis
#

i do have to work so that would be a good time to try and figure smth out

whole ibex
dawn crown
#

i wanted double restricted

timber falcon
#

hasnt reg g already been out though

#

or is this one of the early showdown things

fathom geyser
whole ibex
fathom geyser
#

Raichu was the only thing that functioned

timber falcon
#

whats the kyogre set?

fathom geyser
#

To say no to miraidon

fathom geyser
timber falcon
#

item?

fathom geyser
#

Mystic woter

timber falcon
#

do you have a mon for speed control

fathom geyser
#

Raichu

whole ibex
fathom geyser
#

I didn't put much thought into the team

timber falcon
timber falcon
fathom geyser
#

Nuzzle OwO

whole ibex
fathom geyser
#

No

timber falcon
#

is raichu sash?

fathom geyser
#

Not needed

#

Hilariously bulky with the right spread.

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Or at least bulky enough

whole ibex
fathom geyser
timber falcon
#

so like what if they lead with torn/CSR?

fathom geyser
#

What's a csr

timber falcon
#

calyrex shadow rider

fathom geyser
#

Torn = me bring big guppy

Onion = Chien pao

timber falcon
#

fair enough

fathom geyser
#

But I didn't even think that far, it's just circumstance that the team has these answers lmao

timber falcon
#

you said it wasnt doing well though, is it just a piloting issue

fathom geyser
#

Nah

#

The only game I won with it was due to raichu saying no to the bike, the rest was just a single player game for the opponent since they just ran koraidon, had something that just lives regardless of what I press or I didn't pose a threat to their game plan whatsoever.

shadow wind
#

Can I catch a break??

fathom geyser
#

Raichu was the only reason I didn't get 2-3 turned every game.

timber falcon
fathom geyser
#

I like raichu I'll keep it I guess.

fathom geyser
timber falcon
#

oh?

fathom geyser
#

Yeaj

#

Raichu still provided great disruption through fake out and nuzzle. Endeavor just kinda made it possible for me to not care about set up mons or walls.

timber falcon
#

seems like things are working out then

fathom geyser
#

The rat is working out

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The rest of the team couldn't take advantage of the support the rat provided

timber falcon
#

what if raichu is holding the team back

#

ik it might seem strange since it appears to be working. But never forget about synergy

fathom geyser
#

Or the team just doesn't fit me.

#

The team on paper works so I'm the issue lmao

#

I keep the rat, I'll try to toss in other stuff. Though I do not know which restricted to use since none of them appeal to me whatsoever.

bold geode
fathom geyser
#

Seeing that a couple of days ago made me wanna use raichu but I don't do well with other people's teams.

#

I do not know what to build whatsoever. There isn't anything standing out to me and restricted Pokémon makes experimenting seem like a fool's errand.

shadow wind
#

Just unfortunate

little plank
#

That's the worse PB luck I have ever seen

#

And exactly why I run gravity lol

#

Game room is coming together nicely

timber falcon
shadow wind
#

Helps specs flutter explode stuff

tiny karmaBOT
#
Move: Misty Terrain

For 5 turns, the terrain becomes Misty Terrain. During the effect, the power of Dragon-type attacks used against grounded Pokemon is multiplied by 0.5 and grounded Pokemon cannot be inflicted with a non-volatile status condition nor confusion. Grounded Pokemon can become affected by Yawn but cannot fall asleep from its effect. Camouflage transforms the user into a Fairy type, Nature Power becomes Moonblast, and Secret Power has a 30% chance to lower Special Attack by 1 stage. Fails if the current terrain is Misty Terrain.

Type

Fairy

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.1
left bobcat
#

you know playing this gen makes me appreciate the focus sash

near crag
#

Hey, there are two Pokémon I’m tryna build around (separately) and I’m curious to see your takes on their viability and other mons that have good synergy with them, and they are gyarados and regieleki.

molten oasis
#

Why are you playing Gyarados

dense latch
#

gyarados is just bad

left bobcat
#

gyarados is just dawgggg

molten oasis
#

Don’t use gyarados

left bobcat
#

especially now that miraidon, raging bolt, and hands are back

molten oasis
#

Just use incin

left bobcat
#

gyardos would just explode

shadow wind
#

Or Lando T

near crag
#

It’s not too much bc of intimidate, but it’s gotten a pretty cool movepool

molten oasis
#

Ok, what is it doing if it’s dead

near crag
#

There are like three usable electric types

molten oasis
#

And guess what

#

They’re all hard meta

#

There is a bolt or a hands on most teams

shadow wind
#

Y’all think this was a roll?

image.png
molten oasis
#

Gotta be fs

#

You just got a high roll

shadow wind
#

Why didn’t they Tera 😭😭

solid frigate
#

Gyarados can contribute towards the team

#

which is being a cheer leader

shadow wind
#

Water boy 😔😔

left bobcat
#

is still doesnt help that gyaradoss would explode to just any eletric type

#

its best role is support which there are better options

#

even urshifu can play the supporter role

near crag
molten oasis
#

Regardless

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It’s helping hand and you crit

molten oasis
near crag
molten oasis
#

Dawg that roll was a joke lol

left bobcat
#

follow me goes YAWK YAWK YAWK

shadow wind
molten oasis
#

I mean it’s, it’s bulky on the special wide

shadow wind
#

Depends on the spread I think

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132 SpA Choice Specs Tera Fairy Flutter Mane Helping Hand Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Tera Fairy Miraidon: 204-240 (116.5 - 137.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

near crag
molten oasis
#

Pfffff

shadow wind
#

That's with a tera by the way

molten oasis
#

No it legit didn’t matter

left bobcat
#

ive been thinking about running a much bulkier miraidon

shadow wind
#

Calm mind gaming

left bobcat
#

or charge

near crag
molten oasis
#

You usually do damage

left bobcat
#

miraidon already has good speed

shadow wind
#

Yeah

molten oasis
#

But I think some were slower at worlds

shadow wind
#

Worlds was 204 invest

#

Modest

molten oasis
#

Oh, interesting

shadow wind
#

181 speed

left bobcat
#

it already has good damage output

#

so you can always trade off one trait for another

#

ive been doing this more recently

near crag
#

Rn I feel like it gets consistently 2/3HKOed, I don’t think bulk would change much

molten oasis
#

Good is such an understatement lol

shadow wind
#

By the way

left bobcat
#

thats why tailroom feels good

shadow wind
#

132 SpA Choice Specs Tera Fairy Flutter Mane Helping Hand Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Miraidon on a critical hit: 612-720 (349.7 - 411.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

#

😭

molten oasis
#

Nah just a high roll

shadow wind
#

Truly

molten oasis
shadow wind
#

I'm so lucky I crit 🙏 🙏 🙏

near crag
#

Flutter be maneing

molten oasis
#

Ong

left bobcat
#

if tailwind wont work you can always trick room

#

so ive been using more whims than torn

shadow wind
#

Until

#

Torkoal jumpscare

left bobcat
#

i only use torn with kyogre

near crag
molten oasis
shadow wind
#

Singles moment

molten oasis
near crag
left bobcat
#

intimidate?

molten oasis
#

Gyarados just isn’t that good but you can try it ig

#

I’m playing roaring moon rn

left bobcat
#

cuz incin still can still work

molten oasis
#

Actually having genuine success with it

left bobcat
#

i stopped using roaring moon since reg g started mostly because koraidon

#

you gotta tera right away

molten oasis
#

Oh no koraidon CuteZacian

near crag
balmy glen
left bobcat
#

as if flutter wasn't already a problem

molten oasis
#

I didn’t ask I was making a joke

shadow wind
#

Absolutely no being funny

molten oasis
#

Fine fkcn

#

There ya go

left bobcat
#

pelipper is goated

molten oasis
#

I gotta go back to work now

near crag
molten oasis
#

It has

craggy dagger
#

wah-?

left bobcat
#

ursh and ogerpon make a good dou

near crag
#

The only really consistent thing around zacian teams is chien pao, and shifu

#

Debatably torn too

craggy dagger
left bobcat
#

sash ursh definitely has come in clutch

molten oasis
#

There’s grant and kians team

left bobcat
#

for my zacian team letssssss seeeeee

foggy lodge
#

Kian's team is the balance Zacian variant

#

That is very good and there is Grant Weldon's team that is more HO

near crag
foggy lodge
#

Weldon also used Ogerpon Wellspring instead of Ditto before worlds

#

And was succesfull with it, i think he got top 16 at LA with Wellspring Zacian

left bobcat
#

theres a zacian team pretty basic

mint void
#

Cool Team chill and simple

#

Went hard with a friend in Stardew Valley. We got like 7/8hrs in.

molten oasis
near crag
molten oasis
#

Gotcha

#

I believe in moon as a Zac partner I just need to get a good team going with it

shadow wind
#

Where's the generally standard Groudon team 😔

molten oasis
#

and even if the horse is dead usually too much damage has been done

near crag
near crag
molten oasis
near crag
#

Ice

#

Behemoth, ivy cudgel, throat chop, maybe knock off, plus if you double up with any Mon that isn’t lando you should be cool

torn parrot
#

Very annoying

shadow wind
#

Never before seen

image.png
#

A Calyrex missed a high horsepower

molten oasis
#

So OHKOing it is near impossible

molten oasis
#

Impossible

solid frigate
#

IT ACTUALLY MISSED

shadow wind
#

I know

#

I have never seen that before

solid frigate
#

idk why it always hits for CIR but Rilla it always miss lol

shadow wind
#

Literally

solid frigate
#

eh at least its possible that it missed

shadow wind
#

My games are cursed

#

Whenever I step into a game the accuracy of moves just drop

left bobcat
#

I was playing Gordon once and I missed pp blade 3 TIMES

bold geode
#

"Gordon" lmao

#

Groudon Ramsay

shadow wind
bold geode
#

@molten oasis Groudon Ramsay

shadow wind
#

It's cause he's cooking

#

🧑‍🍳

bold geode
#

He flips the pancake but sometimes it lands on the stove

shadow wind
#

Nah it's that one video of the pan coming off the handle

bold geode
#

LMAO

#

Or the pancake on the ceiling type shit

molten oasis
torn parrot
#

I kinda wanna watch Tokyo ghoul but

#

Then I remembered how edgy it gets

#

And then I didn’t wanna watch it anymore

#

More assassination classroom!!!

left bobcat
#

It’s aight

bold geode
molten oasis
gentle cragBOT
lofty tartan
shadow wind
#

😔

#

He tries his hardest

chrome knot
torn parrot
#

What number do u all ussually go for ev rolls

#

Living something

chrome knot
#

what

torn parrot
#

Nvm

#

I’m independent!

bold geode
left bobcat
torn parrot
gentle cragBOT
left bobcat
#

Ugh where’s my rep?

torn parrot
gentle cragBOT
torn parrot
#

NOOOOOOOO

#

10 minutes from now

#

I’ll be back

left bobcat
#

Welp time for flack0 to steal the show

#

So anyways I started blasting

chrome knot
#

if its something i WANT to live

fathom geyser
#

I spent way more time smashing my head against a wall than I should've until I found an idea that I liked and in practice it worked well even against some stuff that should've been a miserable match up on paper, I enjoyed playing it.

I don't have a clue what to add or what to switch out for hatterene other than Calyrex Ice or Terapagos. I'm unsure about amoongus as well.

https://pokepast.es/96fadc6283097c0c

next stump
#

wait lol you played practice games in reg g without a restricted?

chrome knot
#

idk if this is correct or not im grasping for straws on cir

shadow wind
#

Must've been a roll eh guys?

image.png
next stump
#

this is the eleki team just + flutter - eleki, so the core definitely works

mint void
#

Ill put eleki back.

#

:(

chrome knot
#

more flexible

next stump
#

sure, that makes sense

mint void
#

Probably is yeah. Eleki is very forced on mono electric

left bobcat
#

Pretty much

chrome knot
#

im on cope maximus mode with tera water lando lmao

mint void
#

Just has Hyper Beam or Tera Blast

fathom geyser
next stump
#

good luck 🫡

left bobcat
#

Thunder bolt
Volt switch
Tera blast (ice)
And idk about the last option

molten oasis
#

Ik peli makes perfect sense, but I wanna give moon a shot and I have had success with it

mint void
#

Rising Voltage, EWeb, Thunder

next stump
#

what kinda CIR are you losing to? like the standard rilla/incin/CIR/urshifu stuff? or the ones with eleki/farigarif/etc.

molten oasis
#

Standard and I haven’t fought the Fari eleki stuff much so idk

#

I’m not really bringing lando to games atm

next stump
#

intuitively I feel like landorus + urshifu is strong into the more standard CIR teams

molten oasis
#

But I think I need it for miraidon

next stump
#

especially with cloak + taunt for that matchup I'm guessing

molten oasis
#

So, take lando into CIR?

#

I haven’t cus I figured it just explodes lol

next stump
#

yeah that way you have double fake out immunity with tera ghost + intimidate means nothing

molten oasis
#

Alr, and what would I do I to eleki Fari stuff?

#

I lost to it once but it was on a rain oriented team and idk how this would fare into it

next stump
#

scarf lando is nice into the team, same with booster speed moon i'd assume

#

probably just tailwind + clean up

#

your team is super weak to intimidate cycling so just being cognizant of that and leading stuff that doesn't mind intimidate is important

molten oasis
#

Cuz I’ve noticed that, and it suck’s lol

#

I’ve debated SD on Zac to help with it a little

next stump
#

swords dance could help, a special attacker over Ogerpon could help, adding your own pivoting piece like Incin could help

#

I think that’s why regidrago became so popular on zacian teams, since you loveeee facing into an Incin if they can’t fake you out

molten oasis
#

Idk if drago fits here but Alr, I’ll keep those in mind

#

I’ll give sd a shot

shadow wind
#

What happened to Paonite?

next stump
shadow wind
#

Ok true

#

But I feel like a tera normal + dark attacker would body CSR

next stump
#

true but the issue is you're going to want to run band on dragonite in this format, but then if they do get TR up you're kinda screwed

#

not always since you probably have stuff like Incin but it's not great

#

also Zamazenta probably enjoys facing those two

left bobcat
#

Yeah

shadow wind
#

True !

#

Good thing I decided to use Entei instead

molten oasis
#

I don’t like dnite anyway lol

#

And I don’t want a 4th fairy weakness

shadow wind
#

That's so real

molten oasis
#

I feel like ogerpon helps with the fairy weaknesses

shadow wind
#

Firepon?

molten oasis
#

Yes

#

The teams probably okay id just need to play into incin cycle teams and learn how to manage it

shadow wind
#

That sure would help with the fairy weakness

molten oasis
#

If shifu can wipe incin t1 im good

shadow wind
#

I hate incin cycle teams

molten oasis
#

Ty Dillon, hopefully I can figure stuff out

left bobcat
#

only for the dollar sign

shadow wind
#

Groudon on Groudon crime

left bobcat
shadow wind
#

Well yeah they had one shamillion elo

#

And they crit me twice

left bobcat
#

As they should

#

I’m jp

shadow wind
#

😔

#

At least I didn't miss a move that game !

#

That tera ghost Shifu almost cooked me though

left bobcat
#

Almost

#

I’m trying to think of a corny pun but I can’t think of any

timber falcon
#

rage powder should redirect caoching GengarSad

left bobcat
#

Alright fuck Tera Waterfu

#

I’m going Tera ghostfu

left bobcat
#

shooo

shadow wind
#

Why do Zamas do this?

left bobcat
shadow wind
#

Third one today that did that

left bobcat
#

tera dragon is diabolical

shadow wind
#

Also that game was complete destruction

left bobcat
#

i wouldve thought tera ghost or tera grass or something

shadow wind
#

Didn't matter

#

132 SpA Choice Specs Tera Fairy Flutter Mane Helping Hand Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Zamazenta-Crowned: 172-204 (86.4 - 102.5%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO

#

Maybe mattered

solid frigate
#

SpA Korai-

#

What the fuck

shadow wind
#

I’ve seen one of those

#

It had meteor beam

solid frigate
#

just look.

shadow wind
#

What the

solid frigate
#

this match is cancer-

solid frigate
shadow wind
#

Literally

solid frigate
#

but eh a win is a win

#

CIR with Wonky shit

shadow wind
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Hey wait that’s a copy of another team

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I have the paste for the original team

solid frigate
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i just love how that Draco seals the deal

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and also CIR plot armor is fading lmao

chrome knot
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what plot armour..?😭

tiny karmaBOT
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Pokémon No. 328: Trapinch
Type

Ground

Abilities

Hyper Cutter, Arena Trap, Sheer Force (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

45/100/45/45/45/10

Total

290

Sableye version 4.28.1
shadow wind
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Goat stats

left bobcat
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damn wheres mine ATTTTT

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chat

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do we fold em no YOGA MAT

rustic mountain
molten oasis
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hi tree

rustic mountain
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i also do think on a serious note calys benefit greatly from tera. like sure they r strong af w/o it but it definitely allows them more leeway then usual

next stump
rustic mountain
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thanks

shadow wind
rustic mountain
molten oasis
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what have you been up to

rustic mountain
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not much vgc ahha

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busy w/ the holidays recently

rustic mountain
shadow wind
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Yeah but in those they got checked really hard by certain mons

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That just isn’t the case anymore as they can become whatever type

rustic mountain
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even despite the checks which are naturally just apart of the game they still had good results, i mean shit caly shadow won 2020 worlds haha its why u have a team of 6

shadow wind
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Yeah that is true

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Have counters to the checks

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I just think that Tera boosts them a lot more than other mons

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Because of their inherent mid typings

rustic mountain
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tera definitely makes it more difficult for that especially for mons that can be as oppressive as they are. its not impossible cuz csr didnt even convert that well at worlds

shadow wind
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Yeah I thought that was weird

rustic mountain
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nd cir didnt wind up winning

shadow wind
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Well that’s cause Miraidon is just a different beast

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That thing has one billion multipliers

rustic mountain
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wasnt that weird, csr had been the guy w/ the biggest target on its back

shadow wind
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Yeah, I think CSR was so feared that it became a non issue because of the prepping

rustic mountain
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if anything it made sense

shadow wind
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Maybe I’m CTS pilled

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Tera fighting Tera blast CSR 😔

rustic mountain
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yea while theres obvious crossover bo3 ots and bo1 cts are different in so many ways

shadow wind
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Bye bye Kingambit, you lived a good life

rustic mountain
shadow wind
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Oh it’s great I can’t lie

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It’s just annoying in Bo1 CTS

rustic mountain
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ofc

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idk bout great it was solid

shadow wind
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But also, why did the Calyrexes get every move under the sun?

molten oasis
shadow wind
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I can understand a lot of it but there’s some moves it just doesn’t need man

rustic mountain
molten oasis
shadow wind
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Disable encore 😔😔

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Giga drain

rustic mountain
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dude if ur running disable encore on csr

shadow wind
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I’ve seen a fair bit of will o wisps

molten oasis
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who tf is on giga drain lmao

rustic mountain
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idk wat to say

solid frigate
shadow wind
solid frigate
molten oasis
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man i HATE shifu lets run giga drain, oh wait i have draining kiss and im a psychic type

shadow wind
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I’ve seen it

rustic mountain
solid frigate
molten oasis
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the got the moves they needed is what it sounds like

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to be, stupid lol

rustic mountain
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jus cuz uve seen it doesnt mean its good

shadow wind
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Never said it was good

chrome knot
molten oasis
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the signatures are what push them tbf

shadow wind
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Just saying they get a lot of coverage moves

tiny karmaBOT
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Move: High Horsepower

No additional effect.

Type

Ground

Category

Physical

Power

95

Accuracy

95

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

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Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

Sableye version 4.28.1
chrome knot
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95%

molten oasis
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120 base no drawback spread moves are busted