competitive_discussion

[next stump]

on miraidon teams? over what slot?

[dense latch]

there were a few chi yu mirai teams at worlds with good records

but the premier fire type pokemon for mirai imo is hearthflame ogerpon

[near crag]

Maybe over incin, or ursaluna but idk

[dense latch]

you might be better off getting damage boosts off farig hh, keep in mind chi yu also makes your miraidon frailer

[knotty briar]

It's not bad by any means, but fish with miraidon is a little overkill

[dense latch]

like you said, it already hits like a truck

[next stump]

the main issue i see with chi-yu + mirai is that most chi-yu's on that team are scarf, and most miraidon are specs

[near crag]

fair enough, and you don't really want your main mon to die faster in the slightest

[next stump]

so if you can just pin that lead by forcing them to lock their moves turn 1, you can position around it kinda easy

something like tera fire caly-ice + rillaboom in the back can crush that lead depending on how turn 1 plays out

[near crag]

Why not lorb on the fish?

[next stump]

you're kinda urshifu-r bait if you dont run scarf

since most of them are scarf

[dense latch]

chi yu usually wants something that gives it speed (scarf) or some longevity (cloak. goggles, sash)

usually you want scarf

[knotty briar]

Lorb fish isn't bad, but there are generally much better options

[foggy lodge]

Assault Vest Chi-Yu

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-celebration-woohoo-jumping-gif-25834998

[craggy dagger]

what

[torn parrot]

I’m stuck
If I choose a top tier restricted the job is done for me

If I choose a low tier restricted I’m asking for hell

My motivation plummets when I think about how high the bar is for this format if you want to not experience hell

Picking a world’s team is the path most go for because like I said, the job has already been done

What’s the point of teambuilding if the job is done

https://tenor.com/view/status-tired-dead-haggard-gif-11733031

You can’t teambuild for fun, there’s no room for error

[foggy lodge]

Play Ho-Oh

You play bo1 right

Atleast in bo1 you can try weird things

[torn parrot]

Yeah but getting into best of 3 as well

Best of 3 reg G is a very cold methodical place though

Ho-oh is pretty cool

Absolute failure is a hard pill to swallow after I try so hard but tryna grow from it

This reg doesn’t let me breath tho

[chrome knot]

what is the job in question

is it just forcing a low tier to work (?)

[torn parrot]

By job I mean making an optimal team

If you wanna use any top guy the work is done for you

You can have a wacky fun twist but the format punishes you for that with pure hell

[foggy lodge]

its valid anyways, restricteds formats are so offensive and Pokémon are so powerful that one mistake or you forgetting a small thing can lose you the game and it ends up becoming frustrating

Tho i haven't feel that way for reg G personally

[chrome knot]

high power formats reward building with intent to win in mind yes

for me im still figuring ways to best run”any top guy” to push the limits on what you can achieve given the strengths/weaknesses of it, obviously anyone can play csr and win whatever but being able to break the mold and finding your own adaptations with the top mons is still pretty satisfying and rewarding in its own sense

I understand that your vibe is usually gimmick mons but building with purpose and finding unique ways to run something functional is still worth looking into

[torn parrot]

I’ll try my best to do that, it’s hard to stay motivated. Don’t know if I’m smart enough

[molten oasis]

Use zacian

[chrome knot]

im still running cir but finding ways to make it the strongest variant of it i can

[dense latch]

cir's stats in the vr challenge are kinda crazy

39 in day 1 and dropped to only 3 in day 2

[chrome knot]

cant say i rly blame them when u got shit like this running around lmao

[molten oasis]

Did you play a zacian team with dnite last night by chance?

[chrome knot]

https://pokepast.es/a101ddc823755245

[dense latch]

yea i think i did

[molten oasis]

I think I ran into you

[dense latch]

did we face?

[molten oasis]

You crit my zacian with HHP

[dense latch]

were you the one i got the crit on

[molten oasis]

lmfao

[dense latch]

yea sorry about that

[molten oasis]

Yes 100% that was a bad crit

I should have lost but then your HHP missed zacian

[dense latch]

twice right?

[molten oasis]

I mean, shifu

[dense latch]

i mean the second one didnt matter iirc

still funny

[molten oasis]

Yea but that miss was my out

I lost if that hit

[dense latch]

honestly i wasn't too mad bc it kinda canceled out with the crit lol

[molten oasis]

Yea lol

[dense latch]

cant remember if i put that in chat

[molten oasis]

Idk, good game tho

[dense latch]

yea ggs

[molten oasis]

I’m not playing that team rn I was messing with it and taking stuff from it

It was a Japanese team tofu sent me

https://pokepast.es/39088b41b4c6ae30

[dense latch]

im still trying to find a team a cir team i really like

[molten oasis]

It’s a really consistent guy you’ll find something. What have you tried so far?

[dense latch]

i only play cir bc i dont want to play cir in a when i dont have my own cir

[dense latch]

i won an online tour with the team i played against you, it felt good but some people know their lines too well on it

i might try something close to what hirofumi kimura ran at worlds

[molten oasis]

That team was really solid

[dense latch]

yea flutter chi yu is insane

[molten oasis]

Maybe check that out, I think eleki (I think you had that) is nice but idk how I feel about it

I think Dillon messed with eleki for a bit

I only remember fighting one CIR yesterday

[dense latch]

the only reason why i dont wanna get off eleki is bc i kinda got attached to it after i got the shiny in swsh

gave the guy a bath and all once i transferred it

[mighty stump]

The amount of sandwiches I’ve fed my teams just after rounds of comp

[dull ibex]

vc?

[bold geode]

What is this

[mighty stump]

sure

[dull ibex]

A pokemon team I imagine

[dull ibex]

im in a vc in personal discord

[mighty stump]

Record

[dull ibex]

rude

[mighty stump]

Pork meatball record

2 virile young men

[molten oasis]

Booo

[dull ibex]

https://discord.com/channels/663661005514997770/1320829925413884105

[molten oasis]

Oh I uh, cough I’ll listen ig

I was half joking I’m at work lol

[dull ibex]

nvm then

[dense latch]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2268410526 thought i lost the game on the eweb miss

i was gonna tera poison to cover for the miss but i thought "there's no way i do miss right"

[mighty stump]

lul

[molten oasis]

You miss at the worst times lol

[shadow wind]

Ogerpon speed tie got won(maybe) so at least the 50/50 was solved

[molten oasis]

Yea

[dense latch]

i should've been in a decent spot regardless unless they used wood hammer

[molten oasis]

Although I think you won anyway, you eat fire ivy cudgel as CIR there

If they wood hammer you did lose if you also lost the speed tie lol

[dense latch]

and some firepons are adamant so i'll just say im just different like that and won with no luck (:

[molten oasis]

Well, they would have had to also click trick room

I think

Oh follow me glacial lance I think would have also been fine

No way hands eats +2 HHP

[bold geode]

@next stump I did one game with CIR Eleki
And lost to some A9 bs cuz they froze half my team

[molten oasis]

A9? In this economy?

[bold geode]

In a low ELO economy

So glad that thing gonna be shit
I hate freeze so much

[next stump]

RIP

[dense latch]

yea that should've probably got the KO too with single target

coldest take of all time we need freeze to work like it did in PLA

i played a reg h room tour and got frozen twice and crit by blizzard

[bold geode]

Hate freeze
Literally 100% luck based thing that throws a wrench in the mix no matter what

[molten oasis]

A9’s awesome wdym

[bold geode]

No skill
No variance
Literally all a dice roll

[dense latch]

the fact that you can stay frozen quite literally forever is insane

[molten oasis]

The mechanic of freeze is dumb, I beat Morris getting a double freeze with kyurem once lol

[dense latch]

all my freezes last 4+ turns

[shadow wind]

Ok but when I freeze someone I’m not complaining

[molten oasis]

Exactly

It only sucks if it happens to you

[bold geode]

I was once in a board state where a Cress froze my Ursh
I had Ursh and Dengo on the field vs only Cress
I said no matter I'll thaw and finish the game with Ursh since Dengo is low HP
.....

UNTIL I PROCEED TO LOSE CUZ URSH STAYED FROZEN FOR 8 TURNS STRAIGHT

[molten oasis]

Lmfao

Why no lunar bless

Oh it was on the other side nvm

[bold geode]

Literally 8 consecutive turns where half my remaining resources just didn't do anything

[dense latch]

the worst part is that staying frozen for 10+ turns isn't even that insanely unlikely

and that sucks

[molten oasis]

20% chance to dethaw I think

[bold geode]

Literally just the fact there's not a set counter on freeze is insane

[dense latch]

like getting frozen for 15 turns is a 3.5% chance

just under crit chance

[shadow wind]

Or

100% to dethaw with certain moves

Like flare blitz

Love my sun teams 🙏

[dense latch]

i forget sun prevents freeze from happening

[shadow wind]

Is that a thing?

[dense latch]

yea

Prevents Pokémon from becoming frozen (it, however, will not thaw out Pokémon that are already frozen when it becomes active).

[molten oasis]

@bold geode just run ice types ez

[fathom geyser]

Omg Hiiii back at it again with a comically little amount of time to build a team before a tournament. Just had a 100 turn game against a trick room clodsire team with my comically bad dual wetter team.

Help.

Mienshao the goat killed itself the two games I brought it.

[molten oasis]

I lost to a cresselia, because the terapagos had flamethrower over earth power and completely ignored my pelipper

Figured “I don’t need wide guard” then he clicked starstorm

[fathom geyser]

Literal sitting duck moment

[craggy dagger]

Drago-
the one thing terapagos does is starstorm

[fathom geyser]

First time I ever heard of that move

What's like a good "me too angery 2 dye" Mon other than the bridge and monke atm?

Angry monke my bad.

[molten oasis]

He was clicking flamethrower into non Tera zacian

And pelipper was chilling on the field, dumb

[knotty briar]

Nah
It calm minds on rare occasions

[molten oasis]

I hate people why did he click astral barrage again

Why are CSR players so weird

[craggy dagger]

cuz they do-

[molten oasis]

3 losses in a row im having so much fun

[torn parrot]

Reg G puts bags under my eyes

I should forget about pokemon till Christmas is over

[solid frigate]

You only Click one calm Mind if you have a Chi Yu

[solid frigate]

huh no wonder why you are weird

[craggy dagger]

…

[molten oasis]

[solid frigate]

[bold geode]

Is it bad that I knew exactly what time frame in my sea of downloads to find that image

[bold geode]

Hai bestie

[solid frigate]

LMAO

[molten oasis]

Lmao what

[bold geode]

Hey I guess September 2023 was the era of kissing Drago on the mouth idfk

[molten oasis]

That’s insane lmfao

[solid frigate]

lmao

[craggy dagger]

hi

[chrome knot]

novaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[molten oasis]

I keep losing, fucking why

Lost to a fucking iron bundle

[solid frigate]

Not the Midbundle

[bold geode]

Ok @chrome knot I know it's dumb to disrespect it, but the drop off is fucking insane

Meanwhile the turtle is doubling

[molten oasis]

I love floating at low 1300’s to losing to low rolls

[solid frigate]

Holy Fuck what the heck happen to CIR

[solid frigate]

i lose to 50/50 plays for me

[shadow wind]

What if you put yourself in situations that allowed you to win without a low roll?

So instead of relying on luck you positioned yourself better

[molten oasis]

wow thank you I’d love to do that

But I barely know how to pilot this team

[shadow wind]

Sounds like excuses

Like lowkey

[molten oasis]

Playing the fucking 50/50 wide guard game is also miserable

[shadow wind]

That I’ll give you

[molten oasis]

ok I’m just ass happy now

https://tenor.com/view/peace-out-gif-22295199

[shadow wind]

What team are you playing anyway?

[bold geode]

I mean sometimes honestly that just happens

[shadow wind]

Sometimes yes but if you’re stuck in the 1300s then it must be something else

[bold geode]

Can't ever truly say at some points cuz it's all entirely dependent on EVs between not just your own but theirs

[shadow wind]

Yeah sometimes it’s just unwinnable in certain situations

But you can take those games and see what went wrong

[bold geode]

Anyways on this I'm really poking fun at it, I think this drop off imo is solely cuz people are maybe a little more prepared for their CIR MUs

[shadow wind]

Unfortunately in Reg G it’s almost always like one turn

One misplay will end the game

Egg shell regulation

[bold geode]

I mean same thing can happen in other Regs with lower power
It's just this Reg you see it more cuz every single aspect of the game is heightened solely by these restricted

Puts more of an emphasis on skills that you already use in other formats

[shadow wind]

Yeah

It’s a hard format

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/ebd4083b58d7715c

Spamming wide guard in fact does not work 90% of the time

[shadow wind]

Well yeah people except it

[knotty mirage]

Maybe because people is not that dumb to always click spread move

[molten oasis]

So why have it

The tool feels useless in like 90% of my games

[knotty mirage]

Just replace it then

[bold geode]

My Zamazenta playing ass begs to differ

[torn parrot]

Sometimes can be used to pin them

Like I do expect it every time tho

[molten oasis]

My games have felt very different

[bold geode]

Honestly in some moments you can actually use Wide Guard not to block stuff, but to play mind games with em
Sometimes if you play well enough, you can actually make them second guess like a mfer

[molten oasis]

Zama can sit there and take hits it’s not like peli can

If they don’t use the spread move

[bold geode]

Anyways
I'm hoping double restricted will be better since double restricted but like
Ngl my hot take now
And this gonna hurt ya Drago lmao

Hardest restricted that's good to be used
Probably Kyogre

[dense latch]

the threat of wide guard is stronger than wide guard itself

does that make sense

tho i hate the mind games that come with it

[molten oasis]

Peli doesn’t even feel replaceable cuz I need it for CIR

[knotty mirage]

Yeah i'm not that confident just thinking about caly s and zamazenta duo or miraidon and caly i already spook me

[shadow wind]

Yup

[molten oasis]

Ok

I’ll pair Zac with smth else

[molten oasis]

It never feels respected in some games

Like I feel like they’re always in my head instead of the reverse

[shadow wind]

I usually end up using wide guard to pin

Like against CIR I can click wide guard so they’re forced to high horsepower

[bold geode]

Any Kyogre comp (especially Zam Ogre) might have trouble with cir Mirai and also might have to dance around the fact that Kyogre loses some reliability once it ain't healthy

Which sucks cuz imo idk how well Zama Pao CSR will feel but Zam Ogre Pao would do numbers

[molten oasis]

Zac is good into miraidon

Idt Zac ogre is that bad

[torn parrot]

I’m hungry

[bold geode]

Zac Ogre might be good cuz of that but the other point is my main concern
Zam Ogre will be like centered with that shit lol
Not saying Kyogre comps will be bad, just they'll probably have a bit of a harder time vs other things MAYBE

I'm actually sorta interested in Zam Lunala

[dense latch]

im exhausted

30 person bo3 room tour just to lose in finals vs specs pagos

[torn parrot]

You did fuckin great

[dense latch]

i dont know how to deal with that mu

firepon ursh lead forces a 50/50 where if i get it wrong i just lose and if i get it right the game just goes on

[molten oasis]

Zac is also usually fine into CIR

I’m just bad

[dense latch]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2268506885 g1 they protected firepon into my ivy cudgel so i tried something different, didnt work at all lmao

specs pagos is just too much damage too fast

maybe eleki? hope that my calyrex outspeeds after one eweb

[bold geode]

Just try to like
Think more about your plays
Try to focus on paying attention to the board and the players playing habits more, all those details
Usually when I'm in a rut, it's cuz I'm just being a little sloppy

Not necessarily accusing you of doing so, it's just like
Sometimes you can be playing a little sloppy and genuinely not even notice

[torn parrot]

Ye for real

Happens to me

[molten oasis]

Maybe that’s it idk

May also just be rusty

[bold geode]

Trust me
Sometimes some of the details I preach on about to pay attention to are not obvious at all

Also ngl
Nowadays I don't view being bad as much of a bad thing as I did before
Cuz that basically tells me and let's me know that I can still improve upon myself

[molten oasis]

noted

[molten oasis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2268542681-qkyujw72n6ruhrdoy78dlz4oy4es2p5pw ok figuring it out better

[left bobcat]

YEAH

[shadow wind]

Somehow my 2 accounts have the same GXE

I guess I'm just that consistent

[left bobcat]

YAY

[faint cedar]

i've never done competitive stuff or anything properly could i run my sets by someone by any chance and get some quick tips on any changes? ive tried to make a team balanced enough that it can work both in trick room and with tailwind and i dont feel great about it lol

[foggy lodge]

Share it as a pokepaste

[faint cedar]

ah im yet to recreate it in showdown ive just built it in sv 😭 i'll get on recreating it now to paste it out

[shadow wind]

Alright, I'm cooking

[faint cedar]

my archaludon ev spread is awful i need to get mochi for it i know that already lol

[solid frigate]

is it stamina Archaludon

Archaludon @ Assault Vest
Ability: Stamina
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 44 SpA / 180 SpD / 28 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Electro Shot
• Dragon Pulse
• Body Press
• Flash Cannon

THis should work just fine

[mighty stump]

Why is it Ghost

[shadow wind]

Scary fighting types

[chrome knot]

swm cameo

[faint cedar]

yes

[solid frigate]

i wanna do something quirky and i'm not serious on Reg H

[faint cedar]

its completely wrong though

[shadow wind]

Who?

[solid frigate]

what is your EVs currently

[faint cedar]

its got way high attack investment. i do not know why 😭

[mighty stump]

https://tenor.com/view/plankton-plankton-meme-gif-15640350090336605258

[molten oasis]

[molten oasis]

I can hear the sound

[faint cedar]

idk the exact numbers, i don't know how to like, find that out. i just kind of cross-referenced my ingame stats with the showdown creator until it worked out to the same final stat

[solid frigate]

drago you are the last person to say that.

[solid frigate]

just show me the stats

[molten oasis]

Sure I do it I don’t suggest it

I’m well aware it’s really stupid

[faint cedar]

but archaludon is looking like
60hp/172atk/60def/108sp.atk/52+sp.def/56-spe

its completely wrong i dont know how it happened.

i dont remember ever building it properly though so ig that explains most of it, i didn't build it "properly" so its totally wrong 😭

[solid frigate]

omg wtf is that set-

[faint cedar]

i know right its completely atrocious

i dont know what happened

[mighty stump]

Lol

[shadow wind]

IRON HEAD ARCHALUDON !!!

[mighty stump]

Mistakes happen

[faint cedar]

i mean why not at this point

[solid frigate]

i seen heavy Slam in portland lmao

[molten oasis]

Physical Archaludon pog wdym

[faint cedar]

when i saw the ultra high atk investment i was thinking maybe dragon tail for phasing

but idk about the viability on that idea

[shadow wind]

Wait is this for singles?

[faint cedar]

i've got the team stats recreated and movesets, tera types etc. idk if the numbers line up exactly correct how they are in-game cuz idk how to check that at all

[solid frigate]

no doubles iirc

[faint cedar]

doubles

i did build archaludon for singles first though

[shadow wind]

Never heard someone want to phase in doubles

[faint cedar]

before i ever started doing doubles stuff i used it in singles

[shadow wind]

Ah ok

Then I'm not crazy

[faint cedar]

im not very experienced with doubles at all either 😭

[solid frigate]

isn't most of the singles archaludon is Max Max Min-

[faint cedar]

im super new to doubles i was doing like casual singles for a little while but stopped and now im back trying doubles for the first time

[faint cedar]

hey man im quirky like that

[shadow wind]

When I see Archaludon in singles it's frickin AAA with primordial sea

[solid frigate]

highly recommend on looking at the Pins here,they have EV training guides and General guides

[molten oasis]

Archaludon are built bulky with spA invest and are usually on rain teams with pelipper/kyogre if used

I don’t see much arch in reg g rn

[faint cedar]

i dont think i ever used like actually pre-thought-out sets 😭 i made my own by just throwing decent-ish low bulk investments and high offense on things that weren't like expressly support pokemon

[shadow wind]

That's cause it explodes to everything

[faint cedar]

hence why my sets are uh
weird and usually not viable 😭

[molten oasis]

If you’re new you should start with rentals

[faint cedar]

but hey i made revavroom work so im proud of that at least

[molten oasis]

True lol

[solid frigate]

i think what you want is Rentals,since you are new it would make a lot better to understand meta and know how it works

[molten oasis]

Lando CSR CIR, uh

Shifu can

Pao sacred, zama

[solid frigate]

Zamazenta is just better IDBP mon anyway

[solid frigate]

H A N D S

[molten oasis]

I was getting there

[shadow wind]

I mean Kyogre is probably the most user friendly restricted

[molten oasis]

Flutter/Chi Yu sorta

Pagos with earth power

[shadow wind]

So starting with Kyogre isn't bad

[faint cedar]

yeah i thought about it but like
i'm not the most serious guy in the world, i dont see myself ever partaking in like proper formal tournaments or anything, i just like to play with teams like that in the ranked battle stadium and i'll like
maybe think about it when im more experienced and kind of come into my own as a battler yk

[molten oasis]

If you wanna learn that’s generally where you should start

[faint cedar]

i suffer a lot from chronic "i've seen other people do this i can totally pull it off" syndrome im afraid 😭

i like to try and experiment by myself, lose or win, its more fun for me that way

[shadow wind]

Now this is relatable

[faint cedar]

i dont mind losing if i can figure out why and make changes

[molten oasis]

Relatable

[mighty stump]

Wonderful

Most important thing is an open mind and good attitude

[faint cedar]

so i kind of throw ideas at the wall until something works 😭

[mighty stump]

Everything else just comes with experience and time

[faint cedar]

i lose a lot but its fun to analyse opponent sets and like figure out my own in the process

[mighty stump]

Be aware that there is a recommended approach

[faint cedar]

i enjoy making the sets more than the battles i think 😭 lol

[mighty stump]

To streamline things

[molten oasis]

cough

[solid frigate]

finally we have someone who has that when they say they are new ;-; it took ages to see one

[faint cedar]

i think its because i always find it fun to treat it like a puzzle

the battles in competitive are just really elaborate puzzle games

but the ai is a whole person

[solid frigate]

its ok if you think like that

[mighty stump]

Oh my god

Are you my lost child

Have you come home

[faint cedar]

father is that you where have you been 😭

[molten oasis]

Wow you’re tofu’s long lost child

The rest of us forced our way in

[solid frigate]

i think Tofu has suffered from seeing New People being annoying and insufferable and finally see the light of day

[mighty stump]

Literally

Word for word

[faint cedar]

ah is it that bad with new people usually 😭

[mighty stump]

How I view VGC as a puzzle

and that’s the funnest aspect

[solid frigate]

yep

[faint cedar]

i mean ultimately that is what it is

competitive matchups are like the old block games for kids

you have to try and make a square team to fit in the square hole and counter your enemy's set up without compromising your own

its a nice challenge

[solid frigate]

Drago let the Family reunion be at peace with them lol

[molten oasis]

I’m still pretty bad

I mean I’m getting better fs fs

[faint cedar]

that's so real though

[faint cedar]

all progress is good progress tbf

[solid frigate]

not really,most new players just want to skip most of the progress we have to do

[molten oasis]

I did that

For like 3 months

[shadow wind]

How do you skip progress?

[faint cedar]

but the process is half the fun 😭

[shadow wind]

Steal a team and not think twice about it?

[molten oasis]

I used to be AWFUL about genuine improvement, and I’m still like that

[mighty stump]

@faint cedar read my blog

[solid frigate]

way more than that sometimes

[shadow wind]

How is there more than that?

[solid frigate]

ehhhhhh you would have better improvement

[faint cedar]

ooo ill have a look

[molten oasis]

Yea after like 6 months of being a stubborn jerk lol

[shadow wind]

Also I just realized that I've been playing competitive for just over a year now

[mighty stump]

Congratulations

How do you feel

[solid frigate]

lets see

• ask us to help them get their mons to Master Ball Ribbon without doing proper EV works
• piloting teams without core fundemental
  etc.

[shadow wind]

Ready to devote my life to it !!!!!

[mighty stump]

Pog

[molten oasis]

it’s been 2 years

[shadow wind]

And complain about Calyrex the entire way !!!!

Nah Caly ain't even that bad

[solid frigate]

I also played a year and its alr about it

[shadow wind]

It has weaknesses

[faint cedar]

i have that team on showdown made, i can show it off if we wanna take a look, idk if the numbers are like exactly accurate to the in-game ones but the final stats are all the same so im just using guesswork lol

[mighty stump]

Yall the stories I have when interacting with newbies are wild

[faint cedar]

ice rider supremacy

[dense latch]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025reggbo3-2268624065-sutrjlwbjnosx4rary9l4lwg20oxadzpw i dont think games get unluckier than this

please watch this

[faint cedar]

whats so good about the stupid ghost horse anyway smh

[mighty stump]

I had someone straight up spew hate about VGC and then challenge us to try and get them to like it

[solid frigate]

at least looking back to a year,i did improve from it

[faint cedar]

ice >>

[solid frigate]

PFFT

[molten oasis]

That’s hilarious

[mighty stump]

And then got toxic when I just said why would I convince you to play somethjng you dont want to

[faint cedar]

nah man if you dont like it just dont interact with it??? its that easy 😭

[mighty stump]

That’s where “toxic tofu” comes from

[solid frigate]

THANK YOU

FUCK CSR

[gentle crag]

morrispxg456 has given 1 Gen Rep to sinnohc

[mighty stump]

Hey we can’t hate our puzzle pieces

[solid frigate]

wait thats your origin Story

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

[shadow wind]

Average Groudon game be like

Missing grounds moves is my specialty

[solid frigate]

Sinnoh is so fucking based suddenly lol

[dense latch]

and i miss power whip turn 1 of game 2

[faint cedar]

with all due respect he's not my puzzle piece, glastrier supremacy

[molten oasis]

I wasn’t around when tofu was toxic, I think. I was just a pain in the ass

[mint void]

I do that to my friends with League.
Im responsible for about 4 or 5 lives getting worse in an instant

[dense latch]

im so done

[faint cedar]

but i see your point

[shadow wind]

That is super frusterating though Erik

[solid frigate]

make sense lol

[mighty stump]

Not my origin story

But thats just one of the names I got

[mint void]

I have picked that I will main 1 Mirai and 1 Terapagia team for Reg G and Take the one I like better to all regionals

[mighty stump]

“If you like Arcane download League”

[molten oasis]

Lmfao

[dense latch]

yea i hate the fact that i cant really run wood hammer on rockpon bc it's counter intuitive

[shadow wind]

Yeah

[mint void]

Nah.@mighty stump dis it before it was cool

[shadow wind]

That's what I like about firepon

Bro gets to blow stuff up and not care

Could run horn leech?

[solid frigate]

Tofu pls no-

[faint cedar]

i just religiously run waterpon

[molten oasis]

I still need to get around to arcane I just kinda like YouTube and don’t wanna pay for a subscription

[dense latch]

yea but that just doesn't get the KOs I need

[mighty stump]

I played league when I was 13 so rhat was like

12 years ago

[dense latch]

eg kyogre

[mighty stump]

I miss OG Summoner’s Rift

[shadow wind]

Wish I could do that. Unfortunately on a sun team it sucks

[mint void]

Thing is League is an amazing game but you still have to deal with people that can be completely unhinged and sometimes they are just horrendously bad(idk if that even makes sense)

[faint cedar]

oh yeah thats rough

[shadow wind]

But firepon gets to do one shamillion damage in the sun

[craggy dagger]

ice rider sucks even more tf you mean

[shadow wind]

So it balances out

[molten oasis]

Team dependent

[faint cedar]

i dont even know where to start with sun teams tbh i barely understand a rain team 😭

[solid frigate]

at least i guess fuck CIR as well

[craggy dagger]

just solo mon dependent

[faint cedar]

archaludon palafin gaming is all i understand about rain teams

[shadow wind]

Proto spam is the way to go

[molten oasis]

Valid

[faint cedar]

maybe shell smash blastoise

[solid frigate]

honestly for a new guy

Sinnoh Guy is fucking based

[molten oasis]

No plz lol

[shadow wind]

Literally

[craggy dagger]

one isn’t forced to tera because of a 4x weakness and only tera’s to get out of a status which you can just balance out with +2 anyways

[solid frigate]

usually they run Pelipper Archaludon and Basculegion for it

[shadow wind]

This Reg H?

[faint cedar]

basculegion is a nice choice for rain teams

[solid frigate]

Reg H example

[shadow wind]

Cause that dies in like a week

[faint cedar]

i ran one on a rain team in showdown singles for ages

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-celebration-woohoo-jumping-gif-25834998

That formats boring asf

[shadow wind]

I'm so glad there's no more Reg H

[faint cedar]

pelipper floatzel basculegion archaludon and some other things i dont remember lol

[solid frigate]

fucking finally i can play Reg G and throw my life into Birmingham

[shadow wind]

WOOHOO !

[faint cedar]

reg g my beloved

[shadow wind]

I hated seeing Sneasler on every single team

At least I get to look at 2 different horses now

[molten oasis]

I’m hoping to genuinely improve but I have to get rid of the rust

[faint cedar]

i like sneasler but seeing it just everywhere was so bad lol

[molten oasis]

and fix my mindset which is not easy

[shadow wind]

Hardest part

[faint cedar]

for sure

[shadow wind]

I'm just glad I found my groove

New team new me

[molten oasis]

My groove is always zacian and it’s probably rain stuff

[shadow wind]

Zacian is sick

[molten oasis]

I don’t get comfortable with teams it’s kinda bad

Think that’s why reg h felt so miserable

[mighty stump]

Theres a reason I don’t do team based games anymore

[shadow wind]

I get super comfy with teams and then I play bad

[mighty stump]

I alos have comms permanently off on ourpose

[faint cedar]

zamazenta was always my favourite

[shadow wind]

Zama is cool

[mighty stump]

Nothing needs to be said that pings cant sha

[molten oasis]

Different side of the same coin lol

[solid frigate]

ok yeah Sinnoh Guy is fucking based for the third time

[shadow wind]

Kinda hard to play though

[shadow wind]

Pretty much

[faint cedar]

i was so sad when it wasnt great in swsh but the new sets in sv make me very happy

howl iron d body press heavy slam

[shadow wind]

Howl?

[faint cedar]

nothing can stop that dog when it starts

[molten oasis]

although I wouldn’t call myself that good until I can get to a better mental state

My playmaking has been kinda bad this week as well

[faint cedar]

its more of a niche thing tbf

[shadow wind]

Yeah, get used to just chucking protect on every other thing

[faint cedar]

i made it work but we've already talked about how i like to be pretty strange with how i set things up

[molten oasis]

Protect?

[faint cedar]

that's so true getting into doubles has been so hard because i do NOT understand how to play around using protect

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/urshifu-pokemon-pokemon-sword-and-shield-pokemon-journeys-urshifu-move-gif-24747047

[faint cedar]

put that thing back where it came from

[shadow wind]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokémon-weezing-smokescreen-poison-gif-6685544798280779708

[faint cedar]

the galar weezing experience™️

[shadow wind]

Protect allows you to control the pace of the game

[molten oasis]

Annoying mon with CSR

[shadow wind]

Unless there's an Urshifu right there

Then you need to blow that guy up

[molten oasis]

And it’s paired with dozo like, so fun man

[shadow wind]

Lotta these teams

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/akira-leave-me-alone-leave-me-alone-meme-gif-6420351794930725971

[shadow wind]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2268608353-6uc9ekgqin2jebzlrep25h59ypt13hfpw

[faint cedar]

my understanding of singles was very weak, even when i played it often, i was still only doing really casual stuff
my knowledge of pacing in singles was "whoever gets a free unpunished setup move off first is going to win this match."

[shadow wind]

Game was annoying as balls to play too

[faint cedar]

its a big refresher to see a format where pace actually matters

[mint void]

@shadow wind i might join them ngl...

[molten oasis]

I won with shifu and peli but I do like no damage it sucks

[faint cedar]

and can be controlled without just nuking everything in front of you

[molten oasis]

And zacian will miss play rough

[shadow wind]

And Groudon will miss precipice blades

😔

[mighty stump]

I just dropped my phone in water

[shadow wind]

Get the rice !

[molten oasis]

Is it dead?

[mint void]

Imma sleep guys. I hope one of you comes up with an amazing revelation

[mighty stump]

No im using it now

Aside from the speaker sounding tinny

[shadow wind]

For what?

[mighty stump]

It was for barely a second

[molten oasis]

Ik what I need to fix tho I just kinda suck at doing it

[mighty stump]

but yea

[molten oasis]

Is the phone water resistant?

Oh I didnt read nvm

[mighty stump]

not really

[molten oasis]

But it was there for a second so it should be fine

Found our +2 glacial lance just kills tera’d rock pon

Kinda dissapointed about that

[faint cedar]

glacial lance my beloved

[shadow wind]

😔

[faint cedar]

what is even an astral barrage?

[shadow wind]

Run counter on Rockpon

[shadow wind]

Special ghost type Glacial Lance

[mint void]

Goal is to be physically able to go to Stockholm next year

[molten oasis]

Hell no lmao

[shadow wind]

I've seen it

[molten oasis]

I need my stabs and redirect

[faint cedar]

ah 😭 i should have maybe clarified that i was trying to be funny

its worse, is what it is

[mint void]

+2

[shadow wind]

Went way over my head

[faint cedar]

i will take no further debates. glastrier supremacy.

[molten oasis]

Ok but it’s effectively +1

[shadow wind]

Maybe I'm the unfunny one

[molten oasis]

Ogerpon had +1 defense the calyrex was +2

[faint cedar]

oh no i assure you that's me 😭

[molten oasis]

I won if I didn’t Tera that was the worst part

[shadow wind]

Yeah

Sometimes I forgot that tera'ing ogerpon gets rid of the ability

[faint cedar]

i hate that feeling

[molten oasis]

I was so sure Tera rock icy cudgel would kill and it lived on like 8%

[shadow wind]

Tera fire Ivy Cudgeling a mimikyu taught me that lesson real quick

[faint cedar]

what is the rockpon ability?

[shadow wind]

Sturdy normally

[faint cedar]

ohhh

[molten oasis]

My ogerpon was at max

So if I didn’t Tera I won the game lol

[faint cedar]

yeah that's roughhh

i hate that

[molten oasis]

I hate calyrex lol

[shadow wind]

I wonder how many Miraidon feel that after watching me fumble around trying to hit a pblade as they Electro Drift into me

[molten oasis]

It’s always an extremely annoying fight

[faint cedar]

calyrex is fine its his horses that make him broken tbf

[shadow wind]

Calyrex is very annoying

[molten oasis]

Caly itself is terrible

[faint cedar]

yeyeye its the rider forms that give you grief

[molten oasis]

Also I feel like my life would be significantly easier if they couldn’t tera

Zac is good into ice rider if it can’t Tera

[chrome knot]

@craggy dagger stinkyyyy

[faint cedar]

true

[shadow wind]

Tera fire and water cook Zacian

[molten oasis]

Fire especially

[shadow wind]

I would know, Tera fire Groudon is my saviour

[molten oasis]

At least water you can play rough (it will miss)

[faint cedar]

but you'd never hurt my boy glastrier would you :(

[molten oasis]

I would gladly hurt all of them

[shadow wind]

Nah Glastrier is chill

[molten oasis]

A CIR prevented my day 2 at NAIC

[shadow wind]

Pun INTENDED

[faint cedar]

there are three sure things in this world; death, taxes and missing your most important inaccurate move of the game

[faint cedar]

this made me smile i feel like you should know lol

[molten oasis]

I learned that day I need to get a fully developed team instead of going “ight this is fine” the night before

[shadow wind]

That's so real

I wish I could enter irl tournaments

Well I guess I could

[molten oasis]

It was so expensive lol

[shadow wind]

But they're so far away from me

I love Canada

Where the only things that happen are on the East and West coast

So us inlanders are screwed over with a 10 hour drive and still being in the same province

Thank you Canada

[molten oasis]

I had to fly out to New Orleans

Which wasn’t that bad, my money evaporated at the convention center

[shadow wind]

Ah yup

[molten oasis]

I couldn’t resist the zacian deck box man

It was too cool

[shadow wind]

Yknow what restricted I wish I saw more of

Palkia and Dialga

Restricteds I guess

[faint cedar]

i feel like i saw them a lot at one point and then they vanished

i miss those guys

[shadow wind]

So many dragon restricteds

[craggy dagger]

i know
i’m gonna go shower as soon as i get home-
morning shower was way too early n christmas shopping takes forever

[shadow wind]

Fighting for a niche is hard

Like

[molten oasis]

They’re so mid lmao

[shadow wind]

Miraidon is so fast that it doesn't matter that Palkia Origin has base 120 speed

[shadow wind]

I know 😭

[molten oasis]

120? Fast? Since when?

Gotta be 135 to be considered fast lol

[shadow wind]

Even then

Calyrex Shadow is coming up behind you

[molten oasis]

Zacian and CSR outspeed everything else lmfao

[craggy dagger]

120 is like fast for middle speed tier

[shadow wind]

In the left lane

[faint cedar]

120 was fast once

[shadow wind]

I would still call it fast

[molten oasis]

It’s fast in a lower power format

[faint cedar]

i would say its fast for

[craggy dagger]

or like
slow in a fast tier

[faint cedar]

exactly yes that.

[shadow wind]

Like I would say Ogerpon is somewhat fast and it has 110 speed

[faint cedar]

ogerpon is deceptively fast, i thought it was slower than it was

[molten oasis]

Every ogerpon is also max speed

[faint cedar]

hahahah are you sure

[molten oasis]

I think

[shadow wind]

Speed tie galore

[craggy dagger]

lies

[shadow wind]

I run max speed

[faint cedar]

allow me to introduce myself

[molten oasis]

I run max speed

[faint cedar]

the man of weird mixed bulk into sets for no god damn reason

[craggy dagger]

some run adamant
some run less speed so they don’t have to speed tie the whole time

[molten oasis]

But then you always lose the speed tie

[shadow wind]

Yup 😔

[molten oasis]

And the other ogerpon has the advantage

[shadow wind]

I'll just pray my Ogerpon is better

[faint cedar]

yeah but to be fair most people now are running rock and firepon so waterpon doesn't have to care about the speed tie loss

[molten oasis]

I think 110 is like slow for the fast mons

[faint cedar]

not as much as the others do anyway

[mighty stump]

Lemme introduce the king of bulky sets: me

[molten oasis]

100 is like the average

[faint cedar]

hold on let me do some cross-referencing and figure out my ogerpon set 😭

[craggy dagger]

EVs: 196 HP / 76 Atk / 132 Def / 68 SpD / 36 Spe
Adamant Nature

[molten oasis]

That guy got no speed lol

What are the calcs for?

[craggy dagger]

bulk

[faint cedar]

oh to be fair my ogerpon is not as bulky as i thought

[molten oasis]

Also that’s one thing I don’t really like about pon at times, you have to pick 2 of bulky/hard hitting/fast

[craggy dagger]

those are basic calcs lmao
not rlly calc'd for much

[faint cedar]

thats disappointing i really thought i was that guy who makes all the mons bulky for no reason 😭 that was like my whole character trait

[molten oasis]

Unless you go corner then you get all 3 cuz sturdy

[faint cedar]

i enjoy bulk and hard hitting

[shadow wind]

Got my goated set

[mighty stump]

That’s just every Pokemon

[shadow wind]

Ares (Ogerpon-Hearthflame) (F) @ Hearthflame Mask
Ability: Mold Breaker
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Ivy Cudgel
• Wood Hammer
• Encore
• Spiky Shield

[faint cedar]

why be fast when i cannot die

[shadow wind]

Put a lot of thought into it

[faint cedar]

metagross enjoyer

[molten oasis]

[shadow wind]

Yeah

[foggy lodge]

I love Ogerpon

[molten oasis]

Nuh uh my zacian has a good mix of all 3

[shadow wind]

That's why TR is broken

[foggy lodge]

Gotta love my role compression

[shadow wind]

They get to be quick, bulky, AND hard hitting

[molten oasis]

(It’s cuz it gets a +1 that’s it)

I feel dumb lol

[faint cedar]

i present to you; zamazenta

[foggy lodge]

Zamazenta stats are crazy

[faint cedar]

i love him so much

[molten oasis]

Zama would have been good last gen if it got body press

And idk why it didn’t

[faint cedar]

he's my favourite like post-gen 6 legend i think ever

[mighty stump]

Cuz they had foresight

[shadow wind]

Literally

[faint cedar]

they knew what would happen if it did

[molten oasis]

True lol

[faint cedar]

but then they didn't realise what they did with zac getting every move in the game and then some

[molten oasis]

And then they nerfed it a lot

[faint cedar]

sacred sword, play rough, behemoth blade being as good as it was in dynamax formats

[foggy lodge]

Like Zama is faster than fucking Talonflame or Whimsicott

[faint cedar]

icky

[shadow wind]

A pokemon that is immune to intimidate that gets a +1 "attack" boost every switch in

[foggy lodge]

Just that we don't see it cuz who runs max speed Zama

[molten oasis]

And now I’m sad I wish it’s ability was like SWSH so it felt unfair

[faint cedar]

i feel targeted

[shadow wind]

Everyone when I want to encore them 😔

[molten oasis]

It got nerfed and Calyrex fkcn didn’t

[shadow wind]

Yeah you had to pay extra for them

[molten oasis]

Why does Calyrex not have to hold the reins

[mighty stump]

You have to outspeed Chi-Yu at minimum though

[faint cedar]

calyrex is a fair and balanced mon with no changes needed

[molten oasis]

I feel like that should be a requirement lol

[faint cedar]

please mr nintendo can i have my family back now i said nice things about csr-

[molten oasis]

You already can only have 1 at a time

[mighty stump]

Id argue CIR is worse than CSR

[foggy lodge]

It is

[shadow wind]

Worse in what way?

[molten oasis]

CIR is super consistent and always a major pain in the ass

[shadow wind]

Like CSR is better competitively?

[faint cedar]

worse as in more bad or worse as in its more annoying to handle?

[molten oasis]

CSR has to Tera when someone shows a black piece of paper

[mighty stump]

Its a fatter statstick giving it much more flexibility in the situations it works in

Ice is also better offensively

[foggy lodge]

Hits as hard as CSR, tanks the double as CSR and it has the arguably best speed control move in the game

[shadow wind]

I've seen multiple people running Zen Headbutt CIR

[faint cedar]

see you just understand me

[mighty stump]

The level of support CIR vs CSR gets is also a bit more skewed

[molten oasis]

I think tr is the best speed control move in the game

[faint cedar]

i love CIR because you can do so much without compromising yourself

[shadow wind]

It is

[molten oasis]

It was nice winning with CIR for a couple weeks then I was called back to zacian

[faint cedar]

i went on a whole thing for a while with whimsicott cotton spore when i first started doubles

[mighty stump]

252 Atk Life Orb Sword of Ruin Tera-Stellar Chien-Pao Sucker Punch (1st Use) vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Calyrex-Ice Rider: 187-224 (90.3 - 108.2%) -- 43.75% chance to OHKO

[shadow wind]

Never changed my restricted

[mighty stump]

Why is this a ROLL

[faint cedar]

but yeah trick room is just kind of like that.

[mighty stump]

THATS NOT EVEN FAVOURABLE

[molten oasis]

THATS A ROLL

[shadow wind]

Been Groudon since day 1

Couldn't leave my goat to drown

[molten oasis]

Gotta go adamant tofu

It’s the only way lol

[shadow wind]

Nah band

[faint cedar]

i've always been a groudon>kyogre fan

[foggy lodge]

like 100/150/130 bulk what the fuck😭😭😭

[mighty stump]

I’m usually Adamant

[molten oasis]

That’s insane commitment lol

[faint cedar]

i was thinking band it

[shadow wind]

Now you're even more based

[faint cedar]

but if you band into sucker punch thats a bad time

[molten oasis]

It be funny tho I think protect is a very nice move for pao to

[mighty stump]

But also

252+ Atk Life Orb Sword of Ruin Chien-Pao Throat Chop vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Calyrex-Ice Rider: 174-205 (84 - 99%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

WHY DOES IT LIVE THIS GUARANTEED NATURALLY

[molten oasis]

Bruh wtf

[mighty stump]

See

[faint cedar]

i played alpha sapphire and i got my cousin to give me groudon instead of kyogre cuz i wanted it 😭

we swapped legends

[shadow wind]

Groudon is just a chill dude

[faint cedar]

exactly

[dense latch]

i think i only play cir bc i cant beat it so i joined it

[molten oasis]

Does jolly not feel needed? I figured jolly made sense with the LORB damage boost

[shadow wind]

Bandwagonner

[mighty stump]

Nope im Adamant

[dense latch]

i think the world would be a better place without csr

[foggy lodge]

you can always join the Zama side

[shadow wind]

I think the world would be perfect if primals came back

[dense latch]

i've considered it so much

[molten oasis]

I’m good ty

[gentle crag]

drayagedrago has given 1 Gen Rep to connertep

[mighty stump]

I am happy to report my winrate into CIR is like 70-80 favourable to me

[foggy lodge]

it has a favorable match up into it most of the times

[mighty stump]

Thank Snorlax

[faint cedar]

ive just always favoured bulky variants so i went for glastrier and cir over csr and spectrier

[molten oasis]

lol

[shadow wind]

Thick fat is great

[foggy lodge]

Obviously depends on its partners like Hirofumi's team is good against Zama

[molten oasis]

I’ll go adamant ig, I didn’t have issues with it for a while on sash sets

[faint cedar]

slow bulky I enjoy a lot. slow metagross enjoyer :)

[dense latch]

i just want something that makes csr bearable to play against

[mighty stump]

Snorlax

[shadow wind]

I tried Hariyama for a bit but man I couldn't figure it out

[faint cedar]

have you considered ursaluna?

[foggy lodge]

Chien Paooooo

[molten oasis]

Normal types

Dark types

[faint cedar]

idk how well it'll work but ursaluna seems like a powerful shot for csr

[molten oasis]

It’s pretty solid into it

[shadow wind]

Definitely can OHKO

After guts

[molten oasis]

LORB Bloodmoon be like

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 143: Snorlax

Type

Normal

Abilities

Immunity, Thick Fat, Gluttony (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

160/110/65/65/110/30

Total

540

Sableye version 4.28.1

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-broccoli-nuke-gachibrocc-gachi-gif-21547004

[faint cedar]

bloodmoon nuke it or guts boosted headlong rush

[shadow wind]

Then they Expanding force and you're cooked 😔

[faint cedar]

you're so right bestie

[molten oasis]

Nah amoonguss put you to sleep

[faint cedar]

i've seen exactly one psyspam team so far and i despise everything about it

[shadow wind]

With CSR?

[foggy lodge]

so bad that most are running psyshock rn lol

[faint cedar]

tera grass users when amoonguss tries to literally exist

[mighty stump]

Who cares

160 base HP

[shadow wind]

Psyspam is good right now

[molten oasis]

You can do anything with big hp

[mighty stump]

My Snorlax lives CC from Urshifu

[shadow wind]

I think

[faint cedar]

i dont like facing it lol

[mighty stump]

Idgaf about Psyshock

[shadow wind]

252+ Atk Choice Band Urshifu Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Snorlax: 318-374 (119.1 - 140%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[molten oasis]

Lmfao

[shadow wind]

No one is ready for this

[faint cedar]

i think its meant to be pretty good, i ran into one team with farigiraf indeedee setups and i wanted to actually close the game 😭 im sad

[molten oasis]

Band shifu go crazy

[shadow wind]

BANDED URSHIFU

[faint cedar]

i ran a band urshifu for singles

[molten oasis]

I like band single strike

[faint cedar]

max speed banded rapid strike

did a pretty nice job of breaking through the more annoying singles walls with very little issue

[shadow wind]

I like psyspam right now because of Miraidon

[mighty stump]

I ran Leer Thundurus with Banded Darkshifu

[foggy lodge]

+2 252 SpA Calyrex-Shadow Psyshock vs. 0 HP / 252 Def Snorlax: 168-198 (71.4 - 84.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO i thought it would do more lol

[molten oasis]

I forget that leer is spread all the time

[shadow wind]

Yup

[faint cedar]

you deserve to get arrested for that btw 😭 that's atrocious

[shadow wind]

How does that work with dark types and prankster?

[faint cedar]

i'd be so upset if that happened to me i cant even think about it lol

[shadow wind]

Like a spread move

[tiny karma]

Move: Leer

Lowers the target's Defense by 1 stage.

Type

Normal

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

30 (48)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Reflectable

Affected by Magic Coat and Magic Bounce.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[molten oasis]

He’s done worse I think

[faint cedar]

thats a good question

[foggy lodge]

The inmune target is just inmune

[faint cedar]

i had a thought about like how mind's eye interacts with ghost/dark types

[molten oasis]

It’s just an immunity for them

[shadow wind]

Ah ok

Learn something new every day

[faint cedar]

like if a bloodmoon ursaluna smacked a fighting type move into like Spiritomb
is it super effective now? because of the dark type? or is it neutral because the only reason it hits is the ability?

[shadow wind]

And every day my Raging bolt gets put in a pack by anything under the sun

[faint cedar]

like does the game compensate for the dark weakness to fighting or?

[shadow wind]

Supereffective

[mighty stump]

Correct

[foggy lodge]

Yeah it should do

[shadow wind]

Ghost is neutral

[mighty stump]

Its Super Effective

[foggy lodge]

Flamigo could OHKO Gholdengo with CC

[shadow wind]

Yuppers

[faint cedar]

yikes

i feel like i dont play enough with abilities like scrappy

[mighty stump]

Distribution is atrocious anyways

[foggy lodge]

The mons that have it are usually not too good

[faint cedar]

its a shame hisuian decidueye never took off the way i wanted it to

[molten oasis]

It’s like always on mediocre pokemon

[foggy lodge]

Except Khangaskan but its not in the game anymore and doesn't has its mega

[mighty stump]

Its highkey ass

[molten oasis]

And now we’ve seen how strong it is with Bloodmoon

[faint cedar]

the other hisuian starters feel really good to use for me at least, but decidueye feels SO lackluster

[shadow wind]

It was annoying because no one wanted to use flying types

[faint cedar]

yeah its never coming to another strong mon probably now just cuz of how stupid bloodmoon is

[molten oasis]

Flying coverage is like always good but no one has room for it on the team

[shadow wind]

Then as soon as it got hit by gust from a pidgey it was dead

[faint cedar]

yeah

[shadow wind]

There's no good flying type moves

[molten oasis]

Knowing game freak it probably will

[foggy lodge]

What is the best flying type that uses its flying stab rn

[shadow wind]

No drawback flying moves

[shadow wind]

Tornadus

[molten oasis]

Brave bird

[faint cedar]

i used to run air slash i think? some kinda flying coverage

on Hisuian Samurott

[foggy lodge]

Oh yeah

[shadow wind]

Forgot to add the no drawback part

[faint cedar]

to counter fighting and grass types coming in against it

[molten oasis]

But yea the moves are like either really weak or can miss/self damage

[faint cedar]

well even brave bird has recoil dmg which isnt the end of the world but after like 3 turns you're putting the hurt on yourself

[foggy lodge]

Any other one cuz Landorus is another flying type but it doesn't learn any good flying moves lol

[shadow wind]

Yup

[faint cedar]

true

[molten oasis]

Same with rock moves

And then ogerpon corner happened

[faint cedar]

the world isnt ready for my choice banded Fly landorus set

[shadow wind]

Landorus I learns a single flying type move

[molten oasis]

Ty ogerpon for a consistent rock move

[shadow wind]

Real

Ivy Cudgel is busted

100 BP 100 Acc AND an effect????

[molten oasis]

100 bp can crit can’t miss lmfao

[foggy lodge]

What do i feel that Rockpon crits more often than the rest of the Ogerpons

[shadow wind]

Rocks are sharp

[molten oasis]

They gave it special treatment clearly

[faint cedar]

i mean. when you're right, you're right

[shadow wind]

Mhm mhm

[molten oasis]

Maybe it’s to be like “rocks would physically hurt the most so you get better crit chance”

[foggy lodge]

Not playing any Ogerpon rn its kinda crazy

[faint cedar]

i dont know i feel like if someone lit a cudgel actively on fire it would really hurt

i definitely see the rock argument though

[molten oasis]

Ok imagine getting hit by a shit ton of spiky rocks

[shadow wind]

On a bat

[molten oasis]

I spelled that right shut up

[faint cedar]

true

[faint cedar]

ofc ofc

[shadow wind]

I think fire would also hurt

[molten oasis]

Like yea a flaming bat would hurt

I think the rocks would do more general damage

[faint cedar]

the fire has a unique pain to it though yk

[foggy lodge]

how would water feel

[faint cedar]

its like searing

[mighty stump]

Have you ever fell in water spread eagle

[shadow wind]

This thing would hurt

[faint cedar]

honestly probably really really strong

[mighty stump]

Water with enough force is basically like hitting cement

[faint cedar]

water is like concrete at a good enough velocity

yeah its a bad time

[molten oasis]

Have you ever belly flopped? That might be similar

[shadow wind]

Except with spikes

[molten oasis]

Yea lol

[faint cedar]

yeah cudgels are wicked weapons, and the ivy cudgel is just a real cudgel on pokemon-themed steroids

its just a straight up weapon

[left bobcat]

BOP

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-teal-mask-ogerpon-persona-4-gif-17028199943426595866

[shadow wind]

Next we'll get a pokemon with a gun

[mighty stump]

My favourite historical weapon is the kanabo

[molten oasis]

What’s that?

[mighty stump]

Basically the same thing

[left bobcat]

Hmmmmm

I like where this is going

[dense latch]

inteleon is the closest we have so far

[faint cedar]

zacian quivering in his boots rn

[mighty stump]

Its a spiked bat thats meant to crush armor

[molten oasis]

Ah, I think hand to hand combat is my favorite “weapon”

[faint cedar]

that's like the absolutely massive ones

[molten oasis]

Brass knuckles ig

[faint cedar]

from jpn

yeaahhhh i know what those are

[mighty stump]

It was said or idk if I rmb this correctly you needed the strength of a demon to wield it

[shadow wind]

Looks like it

[faint cedar]

im a big history guy. i know history and pokemon. im a nerd. i cannot escape this fate

[left bobcat]

Loud tunes

[faint cedar]

that is what they used to say yeah

only "demon empowered men" wielded kanabo

it was a whole thing

theres a for honor character based on the concept if you ever played that game

[molten oasis]

Why could I hyper fixate on math as a child instead of pokemon

[mighty stump]

The kanabo has the same energy as the macuahuitl despite two different uses

[molten oasis]

Maybe I’d have a career goal lol

[faint cedar]

shugoki is like straight up partially possessed by an oni or something like that, and he wields a kanabo

[mighty stump]

Pokemon is math

[faint cedar]

i LOVE the macuahuitl

this is a discussion for another time though 😭

[molten oasis]

The more I say the stupider I feel

[shadow wind]

And just like math, sometimes you're wrong for no good reason

[mighty stump]

on god

[faint cedar]

thats so true

[molten oasis]

Is that a word? Fuck

[mighty stump]

more stupid*

[shadow wind]

More stupid*

[mighty stump]

LOL

[shadow wind]

Wowza

[molten oasis]

[faint cedar]

honestly if it sounds vaguely word-ish its fine. but also *more stupid

[molten oasis]

I GET IT lol

[dense latch]

stupider sounds funnier

[mighty stump]

Drago fighting for his life

[shadow wind]

Frames apart on that enter click

[molten oasis]

Everyday lol

[faint cedar]

it will not get better with me around 😭 i will relentlessly bully you if i think i get along with you lol

prepare yourselves

[molten oasis]

My bus should have arrived like 5 minutes ago wtf

[left bobcat]

Bus?

[mighty stump]

Can’t do that with Drago

[molten oasis]

It’s 30 degrees I wanna go home

[mighty stump]

He might implode

[faint cedar]

ah thats fineeee

pokemon do that all the time they end up okay

[molten oasis]

…

[left bobcat]

Yeah