#competitive_discussion

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foggy lodge
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My teambuilder is like a library of teams from tournaments

molten oasis
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That’s always been an issue

rustic mountain
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my builder got wiped recently haha

foggy lodge
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what how

molten oasis
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Before like, reg h the usual goal was “get this guy to work consistently”

rustic mountain
molten oasis
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That goal feels so much, weaker now

left bobcat
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Ouch

molten oasis
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maybe that’s why I’ve been so jumpy

left bobcat
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Eh I didn’t even play much of the current reg until recently

molten oasis
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I’ve usually seen potential in something, genuinely managed to get it to work and then I’d play something else

left bobcat
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I took a long break

rustic mountain
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u put such over the top restrictions on wat u can play how u can play it

left bobcat
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Yeah the possibilities are- SORTA endless

molten oasis
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no just add urshifu

rustic mountain
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lol

left bobcat
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Just burn it

rustic mountain
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just make it reduced damage thru protect nd its fine

molten oasis
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Fr

foggy lodge
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i understand the feeling of not finding anything you feel comfortable with

molten oasis
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I don’t play enough

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It’s me not playing enough

left bobcat
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Oh yeah especially since someone is bound to completely wall you

molten oasis
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Reg f was the only time I DID play enough

foggy lodge
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i mean its still like valid

left bobcat
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I remember during reg f I got completely walled by one player and man that shit sucked

molten oasis
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I got so comfortable with that team

foggy lodge
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How many teams have i not dropped due to one game lol

molten oasis
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Maybe I’m reaching for that idk

foggy lodge
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maybe i go with clear smog amoonguss idk

molten oasis
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regi Zac is good but why bother trying to do something my way it’s already built so there’s nothing to improve on

rustic mountain
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tera types, evs, moves

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items

molten oasis
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Why should I do it the person who made it probably knows how to improve on it better than I do

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Fuck I did it again

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God, Alr I’m gonna just, chill for a bit

rustic mountain
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yea if ur gna talk urself outta it b4 even attempting it idk but it seems to be a better start then aimlessly being in the builder

molten oasis
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Spiraled again

rustic mountain
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actually will improve as a player using a good team and might even be able to use that as a template to figure out how to build ur own version of a better/equivalent zacian team

mighty stump
molten oasis
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idk if the goal has ever been to genuinely improve if I wanted to genuinely improve I’d probably play a caly but its likely better to start trying

rustic mountain
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how can u even build a good team w.o genuinely improving as a player first?

mighty stump
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You cN always review your winrate and itll put things into better perspective

rustic mountain
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u cant skip steps

molten oasis
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It’s usually 60-70%

mighty stump
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Like maybe you realise its not so bad after all

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Yeah so like

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Thats fine

molten oasis
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Since the start lol

rustic mountain
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u skipped steps for 2 years?

molten oasis
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There were probably points where I went to genuine get better in reg c-e but yea

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I skip steps cuz I usually learn really fast

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and now I’ve plateaued, and don’t play enough

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And have the time lol

rustic mountain
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nah u havent plateaued, u just think u have but thats fair its tough wen u dont have as much time. id say even more reason to just yoink teams in the meantime so u can just plug and play, get a better feel for the meta and what makes a zacian team good and have that inform your decisions going forward

molten oasis
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just, ik the motivation will dip, but probably for the best

rustic mountain
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reluctance to even give a chance to a successful version of something ur trying for is really limiting ur capability of understanding why the pieces fit and how that might translate to your own choices

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even if not for the moment just going forward in general

rustic mountain
molten oasis
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I like playing the game

rustic mountain
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same dude, so play the game. why do u have to complicate it so much

molten oasis
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Cuz I’m stupid

rustic mountain
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nah

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ur human

molten oasis
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Idk why I do feels like it tends to happen

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Without me realizing it at times

rustic mountain
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i think u just put too much on urself on wat u have to do while also playing a game u enjoy. doesnt mean to give up those other elements u enjoy such as building ur own team but the all or nothing all the time just seems too extreme

molten oasis
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Mm, I mean the WR is usually ok, regardless of what the team is

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Unless the team’s a genuine joke

rustic mountain
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its not enough some1 else figured out a good team w/ a mon u like using, YOU have to be the one to also be the one to figure it out, like its a bit over the top dont u think?

rustic mountain
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yes

mighty stump
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Also

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The way someone uses a mon may not be the way you wanna use it but its definitely an important building block that can’t be ignored

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You play, you use the mon you like, you win some you lose some

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Thats all there is

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just depends on how far you wanna take it

rustic mountain
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i dont disagree i just find the context surrounding what informs ur decision making on why things need to be so absolute important, like really figuring out why all the add ons on top of just playing the game are necessary at every point of playing the game. i started vgc wanting to play my favorites too then realized if i actually wanted to get better that wasnt going to be the case too often. and ive said that here a bunch, ofc it matters wat u want out of the game first and foremost
i think if u take it more serious though theres some things u gotta come to grips with and everything isnt only on your terms

mighty stump
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Work with what you can control and just accept the rest

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Coming from the dude that likes intentional absolutes

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Like ya’ll have watched me dole out advice for like year+ now

molten oasis
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even if I take it more serious, I’m still gonna play the dog lol, I’ll go play the umbreon stuff probably.

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I’ll keep all that in mind idk if my mindset will fix very quick

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It probably won’t that’s not how it works lol

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or maybe try Regidrago with Zac cuz that’s at least proven to work

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I’d prefer pao tho, I think the damage boost helps it in tougher spots

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maybe the confidence comes from being capable of building teams but I feel like I’ve lost that skill lol

mighty stump
molten oasis
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It’s not but I felt like I got better

mighty stump
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Just simplify things, don’t overcomplicate it

mighty stump
molten oasis
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With the worse teams I still did like, okay

mighty stump
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Always just refocus your perspective man

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Unless you have a 50-55% winrate you’re doing fine

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and technically, as long as its above 50, it’s positive

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Lol

molten oasis
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I think the Kyurem teams always did ok

bold geode
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Defo not me

torn parrot
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i feel like thsi format is like

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torture

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like phsyical pain

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like i wanna kill myself when i play it

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thats why ill probably quit

mighty stump
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Lmao

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The reverse is occurring

dense latch
bold geode
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And WiFi went out yeah that's enough Rivals for tonight

molten oasis
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Well, the stuff I got is working ok

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Pao shifu Zac feels as strong (for it) as ever

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I got completely fried by p2 Ursa

bold geode
molten oasis
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It was also tera fairy sub Ursa

bold geode
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Lol

molten oasis
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And there’s the impossible to beat clef CSR team

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sucks

mighty stump
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I think I would weigh my MU 80-20 favoured for me

molten oasis
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That’s just not what I’m playing rn

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Trying Regidrago stuff, I beat it a game later

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Had perfect pressure with Zac and shifu for a turn and turned the game around

bold geode
molten oasis
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Dondozo bruh

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This is working pretty good so far

violet mason
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is the move "squash" just for competitive double battles?

knotty mirage
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Yeah just like follow me

craggy dagger
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squash?

charred saddle
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its different tho?

tiny karmaBOT
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Move: Quash

Causes the target to take its turn after all other Pokemon this turn, no matter the priority of its selected move. Fails if the target already moved this turn.

Type

Dark

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

craggy dagger
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oh

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quash

charred saddle
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basically makes it last

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its very different from follow me

craggy dagger
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that’s a doubles move-
ain’t no way you’re able to use that in singles robin_wheeze

charred saddle
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but yeh double thing

craggy dagger
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like how follow me in a singles battle format is basically useless

charred saddle
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missing a 95% feels bad man

knotty mirage
charred saddle
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personally doesnt like choice item on drago

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its either u play fast or slow and force them take hits

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and if they do hit with prio or something, u can just change move

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if ur locked into energy with like 40% it doesnt do anything

knotty mirage
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It's for the fast one using full trick room seem's bad idea too me

charred saddle
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id rather play a tailroom team

knotty mirage
charred saddle
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drago speed is also like

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in an awkward spot

knotty mirage
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That's why i give it scarf

charred saddle
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Shrug i mean if u know what u put urself into

its fine, its like the team itself is like TR centric

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CIR BM, amoonguss

knotty mirage
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Beside if the openent hard focus on drago i can get free trick room set up

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And if drago died i can get free switch in too fari or ursa still good outcome for me

craggy dagger
charred saddle
craggy dagger
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scarf is fine but if you’re gonna be choiced into draco meteor or a low powered dragon energy, you’re either forced to sac or lose momentum by swapping and potentially losing the swapped mon

knotty mirage
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I guess i can switch draco meteor with dragon pulse then

craggy dagger
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ehhh
having draco meteor is good since your boosted base power

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but on a mon that needs to protect to gain momentum, i wouldn’t scarf it

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at best if you were really wanting to choice drago, i’d specs it

tiny karmaBOT
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Ability: Shadow Tag

Prevents opposing Pokemon from choosing to switch out, unless they are holding a Shed Shell, are a Ghost type, or also have this Ability.

craggy dagger
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oh….
shadow tag is ghost type or shed shell…
for some reason i thought flying types could swap out

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that would be arena trap iirc

tiny karmaBOT
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Ability: Arena Trap

Prevents opposing Pokemon from choosing to switch out unless they are airborne, are holding a Shed Shell, or are a Ghost type.

molten oasis
gentle cragBOT
molten oasis
charred saddle
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but at least today i played against like normal teams unlike yesterday

craggy dagger
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15-3 on a garticuno team is pretty good imo

knotty mirage
dull ibex
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I hate having a cat

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Makes so much more paranoid

real prairie
real prairie
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Or a better solution to Caly-Ice

chrome knot
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jesus christ those evs lol

torn parrot
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That’s the good shit right there

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TWO HUNDRED

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FIFTY TWO

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TWO HUNDRED FIFTY TWO

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FOUR

chrome knot
real prairie
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but obviously those EVs aren't final 🤣

craggy dagger
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it’ll be good trust-

chrome knot
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i mean paonite is just broken, i played csr with 0 speed control and positioning was hard

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also why are u up its 5am

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go back to bed

torn parrot
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my problem is is that I keep wanting to outspeed things

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Till I’m just max speed

craggy dagger
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my mind hates me so i’ve been using showdown as a distraction FiaSigh

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better to get practice rather than lay around hating myself for everything FukingDies

chrome knot
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what da hell

craggy dagger
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too many games with terapagos n garticuno

chrome knot
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that

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yeah i watched turn 1 and almost threw up ngl

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wowza what a turn NekoLaugh

craggy dagger
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yup-

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this also happened last night tohruStronk

torn parrot
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This format stresses me the fuck out

craggy dagger
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teambuilding got a whole lot easier though

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playing games got quite harder with the addition of legendaries back RobinShrug

torn parrot
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It’s the battles that stress me out

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I enter a battle see I’m up against all mons to feed my headache

craggy dagger
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i don’t blame you
90% of the mons you’re up against are just a nuke button

torn parrot
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This is so real 😔

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Reg G is nuke before you get nuked

chrome knot
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csr died and the pins were knocked down NekoLaugh

craggy dagger
craggy dagger
chrome knot
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i just feel like im struggling lol

craggy dagger
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reg H threw everyone off with a low power format after a relatively high powered format

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i still remember the first 2 weeks of reg H and how everyone was scrambling to see what could work KEKW_Cry

chrome knot
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first 2 weeks of reg h i was clicking after you eruption🫡

torn parrot
craggy dagger
tiny karmaBOT
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Pokémon No. 457: Lumineon
Type

Water

Abilities

Swift Swim, Storm Drain, Water Veil (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

69/69/76/69/86/91

Total

460

torn parrot
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Ima join the random battle community

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Become a random battle pro

craggy dagger
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not the level 100 tera ground specs earth power sunflora

chrome knot
craggy dagger
chrome knot
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just sucks coming from reg h

craggy dagger
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you just try and trade/out KO your opponent

craggy dagger
chrome knot
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it okie if i do commit to building the team in game for locals i got a rare marked female incin :3

craggy dagger
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terapagos is my savior though-
tera shell tanks almost everything-

left bobcat
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Say hello to hold breaker

mighty stump
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With like 1 relevant Pokemon utilising it

chrome knot
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ogerponblobmelt

spiral ridge
craggy dagger
spiral ridge
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Ohhh lol

craggy dagger
spiral ridge
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I might try pagos

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Need more practice with calm mind style mons anyway since I suck with them

craggy dagger
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might i present calm mind bulky miraidon-
-# plewsetakethisasajokr

charred saddle
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im using Garticuno

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ill sweep ur ass

foggy lodge
spiral ridge
charred saddle
craggy dagger
spiral ridge
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😭

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Oh yeah I just remembered

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I never tried delphox when it was going around

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Fuck

charred saddle
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peemma

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hi

craggy dagger
chrome knot
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hai leo

spiral ridge
spiral ridge
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:3

left bobcat
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They should give Koraidon dire claw

spiral ridge
chrome knot
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what

spiral ridge
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You

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Wait did I not tell you about the gas leak

bold geode
bold geode
craggy dagger
forest arrow
bold geode
charred saddle
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and i leak

bold geode
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Leo definitely farted guys

chrome knot
mighty stump
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schtimky

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also brakence is based

bold geode
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Damn he got u

spiral ridge
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Brakence is great yah

chrome knot
dull ibex
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Vc?

plain drum
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Just to verify, focus sash doesn't do anything for recoil damage right?

craggy dagger
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nope it shouldn’t

plain drum
foggy lodge
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I just realized i have a shiny 0 atk iv Hisuian Typhlosion

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Just when reg H already ended lol

craggy dagger
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sneak it into a sun team YangyangStare

spiral ridge
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Korai typh time

knotty mirage
chrome knot
craggy dagger
molten oasis
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I think it’s gonna be bad into CIR when that mu happens

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I like Zac pao torn and drago tho, solid core

mighty stump
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You can always consider super offense Pao

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Still might not be great for you against Incin if that was one of the complaints

molten oasis
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I think the extra damage would be nice, but I tend to utilize the sash

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@mighty stump you think hearth over moonguss would be ok or do I need it for CIR?

mighty stump
mighty stump
molten oasis
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Is CIR a fine mu with it?

bold geode
molten oasis
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That’s my only concern

mighty stump
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I also ran it with Stellar

mighty stump
molten oasis
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I think I’d go ghost regardless of the item for zama mu

mighty stump
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I like Hearthflame in general

mighty stump
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lol

molten oasis
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ay ay ron

bold geode
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B la kay

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Pree sent

molten oasis
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Uhm, I’ll try Hearthflame

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I kinda wanna be using ogerpon this format cuz I like it

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Regardless of the form

mighty stump
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Hearthflame best form > Grasspon after

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Oh wait

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Rockpon then Grasspon

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There we go

molten oasis
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Was gonna say rock no? lol

bold geode
molten oasis
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That’s been established for a while monke lmao

bold geode
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It got top 8 at Worlds just saying

molten oasis
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No one said it was bad lol

mighty stump
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Who cares about placement, just ball 😎

molten oasis
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lol

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That look ok?

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may get, wrecked by fire CIR

craggy dagger
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focus energy hearthflame shreds through everything YangyangStare

molten oasis
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I mean, I need to learn CIR regardless lol

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That mu sucks to fight

bold geode
molten oasis
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Huffing Ray copium I see

craggy dagger
molten oasis
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non tera

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they always tera

craggy dagger
chrome knot
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anyone else or?

craggy dagger
chrome knot
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yeah im the cir player

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so im gonna click grassy glide with rilla

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& close combat with scarf shifu into pao

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:3

charred saddle
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ill be the arceus player and do judgement on all of ur mons

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gg ez

craggy dagger
chrome knot
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oh aight bet & + this is a tw team so imma set trick room and never look back lol

craggy dagger
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the whole point is to prevent trick room emma KEKW_Cry

chrome knot
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with WHO

craggy dagger
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THATS MY QUESTION

chrome knot
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YA CANT

craggy dagger
chrome knot
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IM GONNA SET TR AND UR GONNA LIKE IT

craggy dagger
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not if my focus energy guaranteed ivy cudgel crit ogerpon has anything to say about it

molten oasis
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almost like i was spot on about CIR mu being shit

chrome knot
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tera fire trick room + fake out urshifu

craggy dagger
coarse sedge
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paldean clodsire best moveset??

chrome knot
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go ahead girl youll be doing even less and instead ill jus uturn into incin..

craggy dagger
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i’m clicking substitute smile1

chrome knot
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right ur junk ass set

craggy dagger
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meanie

chrome knot
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so tr is set for free and we reposition also for free

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man im good at text chat pokemon

craggy dagger
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yes-
and i give you the win blondenekogiggle

chrome knot
molten oasis
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maybe i'll go cloak+taunt shifu to prevent incin+CIR lead, and then tera grass for amoonguss

craggy dagger
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that sounds good-
though i’d be wary of redirection in terms of indeedee or follow me

chrome knot
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cant i just

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pin with lance+rilla

molten oasis
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i dont know how to solve this fucking match up

craggy dagger
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can’t i just shadow rider nuke it-

chrome knot
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LMAO

molten oasis
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its so hard lol

chrome knot
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real nova u jus click astral barrage

craggy dagger
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funny button goes brrrrr

molten oasis
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cant have amoonguss you just lance t1, cant have shifu do anything pin with lance and rilla/bolt, zac cant do shit after tr, i hate this thing

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ugh

tiny karmaBOT
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Pokémon No. 1017: Ogerpon-Cornerstone
Types

Grass/Rock

Abilities

Sturdy

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

80/120/84/60/96/110

Total

550

Base Species

Ogerpon

craggy dagger
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i forgot this existed

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hits both ice base and fire tera

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nobody runs ice tera ice rider wtf am i saying

molten oasis
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hearth shifu lead actually isnt that bad

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idt there's a way to shut that down unless they have cornerstone

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or no CIR lead

craggy dagger
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or they have fake out pressure

molten oasis
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but im cloak shifu

craggy dagger
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fake out the hearthflame and preserve tera

molten oasis
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the point is to shut off tr

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t1

craggy dagger
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it’s hard to be perfect into every MU

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but that’s why this thing exists

molten oasis
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yea but i dont have a mu into CIR rn

molten oasis
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im trying to figure that out

craggy dagger
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wouldn’t a zac shifu lead be better then-

molten oasis
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no cuz you can hit shifu with rilla

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taunt does nothing if CIR protects and bolt/rilla kills shifu

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and most CIR team's have had incin so i lose my boost t1

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regardless this mu sucks

craggy dagger
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ngl i feel like you could keep horn leech

mighty stump
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Lol

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I really don’t think you need Sacred Sword on Pao at all

torn parrot
mighty stump
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Snorlax >

torn parrot
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The thing that’s frusterating about cir is his other other annoying leads that’s arnt trick room. So preparing for all really spreads you thin

Could be up n ready for room but then blam you get smacked by scarf Urshifu and peliper

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At least that’s the annoyance that I have with it

craggy dagger
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i think it’s been said before but-
everyone is preparing on how to stop trick room while trick room players are figuring out how to avoid and guarantee trick room-
it always feels like they’re one step ahead

molten oasis
craggy dagger
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doncha have hearthflame for that?

mighty stump
dense latch
# molten oasis It’s helped with Zama

i feel like throat chop may improve the cir mu, it’s dark damage pressure without it being able to be blocked by Farig/ just using TR, either you get a ton of damage onto it or you force them to tera

bold geode
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Still stuck on MDB team cuz idk what else to do tbh but uh
That team easily pressures the CIR Eleki variants if you just know wtf you're doing

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Think the team has Farigiraf in all versions of that which they like
GOTTA BRING

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As for Yuta's it seemed somewhat manageable too
The real one I'm worried about facing though is Hirofumi's take

torn parrot
bold geode
left bobcat
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Hmm I wonder

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Would terapagos taste like rock candy

dense latch
bold geode
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Wtf is this convo

pallid hare
left bobcat
bold geode
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With how dumb it is it's off brand
Michel Joedan

left bobcat
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I don’t compromise

next stump
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anyone know if blissey raids have returned with the rayquaza ones?

chrome knot
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dunno

plain drum
solid frigate
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i just beat one

left bobcat
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Oh snap

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I forgot that the shiny ray raid is on the way

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Are we about to see a rise in ray stocks in reg g?

chrome knot
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no

tame falcon
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does anyone know the IV/EV spread of that sleep talk sylveon that was distributed in August?

molten oasis
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But not for long

foggy lodge
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i mean sure you can find someone using it in like cart ladder

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Outside of that no lol

left bobcat
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Hmmm I would’ve thought that the shiny raid would have players pulling out the shiny ray

rustic mountain
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most semi competitive and competitive players dont care about shinies and even if they did, ray still isnt magically good

rustic mountain
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pog

chrome knot
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im on swsh for a shiny mon rn...

rustic mountain
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i said most not nobody Budgetkekhands

solid frigate
mighty stump
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99/100

chrome knot
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im on cir again :3 but with the same people I built with for toronto + gf

modern harbor
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any point in resetting for certain rayquaza? does foul play atk matter

chrome knot
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isnt it usually a phys attacker x)

modern harbor
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o i thought it runs draco n shi

chrome knot
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-# nooooo idt so

left bobcat
torn parrot
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Deku is racist

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I’m canceling deku

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Fuck you deku

left bobcat
dull ibex
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what mons want dragon tera rn?

foggy lodge
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uhhhh

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Zamazenta, Caly-Ice tera dragon is good

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Not that many tbh, dragon is not that good rn imo

left bobcat
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Defensively not many

foggy lodge
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Yeh

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I think Indeedee and Farigiraf sometimes use it

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There are probably more but i don't remember rn lol

left bobcat
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Primarina definitely uses it

bold geode
bold geode
foggy lodge
left bobcat
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Oh-

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Nvm

lofty tartan
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comforts shinies shhh shhh don't listen to him. This is what he has to do to mimic a fraction of our power

plain drum
solid frigate
torn parrot
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Actually it’s a fact that shinies make your pokemon more powerful

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😠

charred saddle
#

facts

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especially if its a cool shiny

woven pelican
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what is a good moveset for greninja and dragapult for singles?

molten oasis
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Goggles dozo would be nuts

dull ibex
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hello I awoke

knotty mirage
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Nah definitely not that's sounds to broken to be official

lofty tartan
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It's a satirical Twitter page.

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(it's called Stupid Pokemon Patch Notes lol)

mighty stump
mighty stump
dull ibex
mighty stump
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I’m dissociating on the bus gimme like 20 minures when I get home

solid frigate
dull ibex
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Gotcha

dull ibex
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Yikes.

woven pelican
#

how do you check that

dull ibex
#

Nintendo year in review

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Dude I have 200 hours on sv this year

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This was a year I barely played vgc

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200 hours??????

woven pelican
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well damn

dull ibex
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I use my switch CONSTANTLY

dull ibex
near crag
#

Hey, I’m prepping a team for the Fortaleza regionals, and I’m kinda stuck. I’ve been running dnite for a while, and I really believe in its potential with chien pao. I put urshifu w to pair with pao, farigiraf to add some speed control, fire ogre to counter mane, and some redirection, and lastly zacian, to help out with the type matchups, and it also pairs well with pao. Thinking about it, it seems solid, but I never managed to get out of ultra ball tier with it, it’s inconsistent. I built it a couple months ago, but going over the whole thing today, I can’t change much. If you got any ideas, please let me know. Thanks in advance

mighty stump
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Particularly you should already be prepping lines into CSR/Miraidon/CIR

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do you have a paste or anything

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Additionally:

  • Farigiraf on the team as your speed control is extremely out of place considering the speed tiers of all the mons there.
  • Entire team suffers against a well-played Incineroar
near crag
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So what do you suggest me to add?

left bobcat
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Spore

near crag
#

And what should I take out?

left bobcat
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….uhhhhhhhhhh yes

tiny karmaBOT
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Type

Dark

Category

Physical

Power

95

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

mighty stump
left bobcat
#

No but I have toothpaste

solid frigate
mighty stump
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I take it you joined this channel in Reg H

solid frigate
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Late Reg H*

mighty stump
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It’s telling

left bobcat
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Oooo who’s telling?

dull ibex
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Hello

bold geode
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Oh God it's Red

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Oh @mighty stump that Rayquaza raid kicked my ass
It kept critting me so much

dull ibex
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Get dunked on idiot

solid frigate
dull ibex
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Or doughmutt as hes named

mighty stump
dull ibex
solid frigate
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don't mind if i barge into the VC lol

near crag
next stump
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in case anyone is curious like myself, the top 75 NA cutoff right now is around 460CP

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it’s gotta end at least 900CP if not a bit higher

left bobcat
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Kool aid

torn parrot
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I gotta say

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Dentists really love teeth

left bobcat
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Hmmmmm

torn parrot
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I bet dentists lick teeth

bold geode
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It took attempts though

torn parrot
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yayyyyyy

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Shiny rayquaza

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now someone needs to make a limitless tournament where only rayquaza are allowed

molten oasis
chrome knot
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tofu!

chrome knot
near crag
torn parrot
molten oasis
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Hehe sword doggy

torn parrot
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Fun fact

mint void
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@torn parrot max speed urshi?

torn parrot
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Yeah

bold geode
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Also @balmy glen I was so wrong bro, Flutter Icy Wind is like fuckin LeBron in the Zama MUs

torn parrot
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Fun fact

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FUN FACT I WAS WRONG BECAUSE TIRN HAS THE EXACT SAME JUMP POINT

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GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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They’re both screwed

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But…

chrome knot
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no ?

torn parrot
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I wa wrong emmmaa I was wrong I assumed

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Deeeeleteeee

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Actual fun fact

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Actual fun fact was that I was wrong

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Torns cannot have 164 speed it’s impossible

cyan smelt
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Is cobalion just better zamazenta because it doesn't take up a restricted slot

torn parrot
molten oasis
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It’s worse regardless of the spot lol

mint void
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This wasnt fair

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Holy

near crag
#

What goes well with paonite? It’s hard to get other physical attackers that don’t fold under flutter mane

next stump
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scarf urshifu can be nice

chrome knot
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i just tried between 149 and 163 and got nothing worth noting

mint void
mighty stump
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Close Combat is also wrong on Zacian

mint void
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Ik only lvl 50 based but eh

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Thought it was funny. For me at least

mighty stump
#

Again, I don’t think Farigiraf is providing much at all for you here

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Team is Incin fodder

near crag
#

I agree that Farigiraf doesn’t work here, but any ideas on replacements? Maybe something with speed control, and a incin check

mighty stump
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Previously when Drago was trying to run Zacian it was suggested to have a look at either Kian’s team with Umbreon or the Regidrago variant

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I agree with the sentiment those are correct variants

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I think it would be best to review those teams to see why they work

near crag
#

Where can I find those?

mighty stump
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Cause you also mentioned general inconsistency

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Which is likely a combination from team/pilot issues rather than just team stuff, so eliminating one would benefit the other

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@molten oasis can you pull up Kian’s team and the Regidrago team for Canela

molten oasis
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yur

mighty stump
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You have to be able to pressure very well and find the correct time to bring Zacian-C in due to it’s very straightforward nature

molten oasis
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i dont have grants team and im a marvels march gimme a minute

near crag
#

I do need to amp up my gameplay, I’ve played about 5 regulations up to now, and neither any events participated, or getting to master ball

near crag
mighty stump
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If you have replays, you can always ask for reviews

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I would say irregardless of the team playing the best with what you have at the time is best practice

molten oasis
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i have MY regidrago team

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but grants is better, lemme find it

silent sedge
#

Is it possible to get a “big” shiny rayquaza from raids

mint void
#

I guess

near crag
#

Really liked the three teams, and based on them I got two ideas that seem to fit really well, to me: https://pokepast.es/87813e0b51b44e96, and by the way, the dnite vest is really just because I don't wanna run rillaboom, nor multiscale, but the other concerns you've pointed out seem to be fixed. Tell me some thoughts on this one, if you will...

molten oasis
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i dont understand the dnite or the bloodmoon

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sacred sword or swords dance over close combat

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on zac, its not worth it

near crag
molten oasis
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and helps the zama mu

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lando I would be better over bloodmoon

near crag
#

Thats the only reason I'm running it, if you have any other ideas, I'd love to hear 🙂

mint void
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Huh

near crag
near crag
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I can't use either, really

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Maybe glimmora?

molten oasis
#

sorry lando and shifu deal with it

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the regidrago teams have regidrago to deal with them

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you try to get zacian in a position where incin cant come in safely or incin is dead

molten oasis
#

ice being an issue is fine you're scared of chien pao really, which you have shifu and zacian to deal with

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the only way to really be using dnite is band imo, and dnite isnt that good in this format, regidrago would be better in that spot

near crag
#

It's the whole point of the team, espeed spam, goes well with almost every mon in the team, and band seems like a good idea, in general

near crag
bold geode
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Dnite sucks ass in this format ngl

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Had like the FATTEST dip off

mighty stump
#

Run Entei then lul

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I don’t think Dnite sucks

bold geode
mighty stump
#

Favourable into Watershifu

near crag
mighty stump
#

Well

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Movepool is kinda meh

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Half the time you’re clicking either ESpeed or Outrage

bold geode
#

The only reason I'd really say Dnite over Entei is cuz like
A LOT OF TEAMS I FIGHT HAVE RAIN LIKE FUCK YOU

mighty stump
#

Lol

bold geode
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Lemme spam Sacred Fire in peace you fucks

mint void
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Agree

bold geode
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But then we just throw Watershifu at em so yeah

mighty stump
#

I like how you and Drago aren’t feeling Dnite meanwhile it’s sitting in the builder of one of 3 main teams for me

molten oasis
#

With zacian?

mighty stump
#

Nah

#

With Zacian all I need is Urshifu/Pao

near crag
molten oasis
#

Dnite also doesn’t feel like it does anything for Zac imo

#

That shifu isn’t

bold geode
molten oasis
#

Nobody uses dnite with Zac

mighty stump
bold geode
#

Actually yeah Dnite is a good type flip for Zac

molten oasis
#

we found a reason and my points were dumb

mighty stump
#

But Torn/Flutter/Amoonguss

bold geode
#

Only problem is depending on the set you can't do fuck shit to Steel types

molten oasis
#

play dnite idc anymore

solid frigate
#

Hoi

molten oasis
#

Can’t convince shit to anyone

mighty stump
#

Bro what is your problem

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Lol

bold geode
molten oasis
#

Whatever I say is always wrong

mighty stump
#

Have you considered the concept of differing opinions and not necessarily viewing things so black/white as right/wrong?

bold geode
#

That

solid frigate
#

That and do not be pessmemitic(HOW I STILL CAN'T SPELL THAT

mighty stump
#

I literally have an entire track record of Yotam disagreeing with all of my team concepts lmao

vernal shadow
#

I tried a set for mew on showdown ages ago and I wanted to recreate it in a modern game but it requires roost which isn't a tm. Would it have been possible to get roost through transfering from certain games or deleting a move and giving it was it silver powder? Or is it just incapable of having roost in the current gen ?

mighty stump
#

No clue what mon you’re referring to though

molten oasis
mint void
mighty stump
molten oasis
#

I’ll sure try

vernal shadow
mint void
#

Yes

mighty stump
#

Do or don’t cause I haven’t seen trying. For the last few days I just see a back and forth

mint void
#

U arent breeding just teaching. A move@vernal shadow

mighty stump
#

We literally had this conversation yesterday

vernal shadow
molten oasis
#

Yea and I forget things in an instant

mint void
#

Well it doesnt. He has to be able to learn the move this gen

near crag
vernal shadow
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Looks like it's not possible. I used mew with max hp and defence with body slam, stored power, calm mind, roost and the weakness policy. Was quite fun. Doesn't really work with rest.

vernal shadow
#

It lost roost due to no move tutor

mighty stump
#

Didn’t Minecraft have an Avatar update or somethjng

#

The blue people one not the elementa one

bold geode
#

Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhh don't know actually

chrome knot
#

tofu wanna see the new sauce :3

mighty stump
chrome knot
#

its sauce for standard not a gimmick

bold geode
#

Oh probably if it's the blue people one
Idt they'd do elements and shit

mighty stump
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Its not a gimmick omg

#

Its standard

chrome knot
#

you were stooping to nova levels for a little

mighty stump
#

Wow

chrome knot
#

had me woorrrieedddd

mighty stump
#

Woooooow

bold geode
mighty stump
#

I was nowhere near that

chrome knot
#

look pms

bold geode
#

Tofu show me sauce

left bobcat
#

Gooooooo

mighty stump
solid frigate
chrome knot
#

gothitelle is reg g goat

bold geode
mighty stump
#

Ok

bold geode
#

What the tofu.cookin

solid frigate
#

ah yes tofu.cookin

Website moment

molten oasis
#

sorry, stuffs getting to me that shouldn’t and I’m acting completely out of line, I can be better

mighty stump
#

It’s fine to have things affect you deeply

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It’s not fine to have it affect everyone else around you so consistently

bold geode
spiral ridge
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Bros gonna try to get his 10th win revoked with that heresy

bold geode
molten oasis
#

Idt in the moment

craggy dagger
#

what did i ever do to you CuteCry

mint void
chrome knot
craggy dagger
bold geode
bold geode
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I need more memes

chrome knot
craggy dagger
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:(((

chrome knot
#

nova need binky

bold geode
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What am I reading

craggy dagger
left bobcat
#

Halle berry

tiny karmaBOT
#
Pokémon No. 1016: Fezandipiti
Types

Poison/Fairy

Abilities

Toxic Chain, Technician (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

88/91/82/70/125/99

Total

555

molten oasis
#

Zacian at 8 pog

near hound
#

Should I get Kyogre, Latias, Solgaleo, Groudon, Eternatus, Suicune, Ursaluna, Necrozma, Gholdengo, Ting-Lu, Regieleki, Xerneas, Zacian, Kartana, Fezandipiti, Chien-Pao, Lunala, or Archaludon

next stump
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bro what

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give some context

chrome knot
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@next stump have a local tmrw

plain drum
chrome knot
#

i habe all bfls but 1 2nd to 1st upgrade lmfao

lofty tartan
#

Volc over Dnite? Hmm

next stump
#

good luck 🙂 sounds like a fun team to play

lofty tartan
#

Volc is a fan fave.

bold geode
lofty tartan
#

Sorta up in the air about what I'm running at my local next week 😐

next stump
#

my local scene has been so dry lately

lofty tartan
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Ours is just starting out really.

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There's never been locals in my area so we need to drum up notice. We at least have point payouts now, though.

chrome knot
bold geode
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@chrome knot I want

summer shore
bold geode
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How's it going @summer shore

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He chonky

plain drum
#

So many cocos

bold geode
#

They very chonky

summer shore
#

To think i have another 2 months of this

plain drum
summer shore
#

Long ahh uni break

bold geode
#

Tf is holiday rotting

bold geode
plain drum
#

Shiro has been blessed

bold geode
#

Sounds like 2 months of OU to me KekCry

summer shore
#

I've been playing ygo with my high school friends

#

Actually

bold geode
#

I told my mom about it and she was like "who chonky, you or the toy"

plain drum
#

Both?

bold geode
#

🖕

plain drum
near crag
#

hey, i've been messing around in showdown, and caught myself wondering: Do either gyarados, mimikyu, or roaring moon have a nieche in reg g, or has power creep consumed all but 30 mons?

chrome knot
#

no no and uhhh sometimes

near crag
#

Cuz gyarados at least clicks tera flying tera blast, dd, or thunder wave, but mimikyu just kinda sets tr up

left bobcat
next stump
chrome knot
foggy lodge
#

roaring moon is okay

#

some brought it to worlds and had some good results with it

left bobcat
foggy lodge
#

I remember that Giovanni Costa i think was spamming Gyarados

#

It has potential imo but nothing more than that, only potential

#

Maybe someone finds a good niche for it now

left bobcat
#

A lot of mons have a good niche

#

If it ain’t flutter then it ain’t my bread and butter

solid frigate
left bobcat
#

If it ain’t urSHIFU I don’t want to hearU

foggy lodge
balmy glen
#

pls don’t put that in here lmao

next stump
#

bro darsh is wild for all this extra stuff

lofty tartan
#

HAHA I'M IN THAT VIDEO

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Like physically in that video.

solid frigate
lofty tartan
#

^^^

#

That part sent me lmfao

chrome knot
lofty tartan
#

"The greatest story ever told"

chrome knot
#

also why he seem like an assholeFukingDies

foggy lodge
#

Top 8 is an incredible strong placement but not dominant imo

#

Dominant would finalist

lofty tartan
#

Totaled all the prize amounts together to make 30k the final number he arrived at arkeknine

bold geode
bold geode
molten oasis
#

Winter event

#

Idk how to get it tho

bold geode
#

Wait @lofty tartan DARSH WAS THE ONE GUY I WAS LOOKING FOR! LMAAAAAO

lofty tartan
#

Yeah

#

That's what I'm saying - he was the dude I walked by to hard stare at the camera

bold geode
#

LMAO

#

Bro you don't realize how actually Ape shit I went when I found you

lofty tartan
#

His "viral interview". It's viral because of me arkeknine

#

(joking, obv)

bold geode
#

Strut your shit queen

next stump
#

darsh used to be a local of mine so we talked a lot

#

glad he got top 8 but dudeeeee that whole thing after winning game 1 against chuppa

chrome knot
#

what

#

whatd he do lmao

lofty tartan
chrome knot
#

gang what did he do.

lofty tartan
#

Here, Emma. Honestly just really unsportsmanlike behavior.

foggy lodge
lofty tartan
#

If I were Chuppa, I'd have the same expression on my face.

chrome knot
#

ew lmfao

#

no friends type shit

foggy lodge
#

i want to think its was not that big of a deal because they seemed fine in the end of the set but

#

its not hard for that shit to happen

#

I think there must have been a warning atleast

next stump
#

if he just one of the things (like only point at his wrist) i think it’s not too bad

#

but doing ALL of that after GAME 1?! nah

chrome knot
#

LMAO

#

then lost the set so idk

foggy lodge
#

Its a good karma

#

But imagine if chuppa lost the set idk i would be tilted asf in his place

craggy dagger
#

he got his ass handed to him for being disrespectful.
good-

torn parrot
#

I didn’t think it was possible for every pokemon on a team to hate it’s restricted

spiral ridge
dense latch
bold geode
craggy dagger
bold geode
#

WHY HE POPPIN OFF LIKE THAT WHEN HIS PELI TOOK A THROAT CHOP LMAO WHAT A FUCKIN IDIOT

#

Nah that's some hoe ass shit
Not the fuckin Dame Time thing

#

Chuppa put his hand on his head
You think he was concentrating but he was probably dumbfounded

#

@next stump I'm watching his video
The way this mfer with 46 subscribers is like "if we can get 10,000 views" KekCry

#

It's fuckin sending me bro

left bobcat
#

Hmmmm

#

What about the power of friendship?

left bobcat
#

I’m flabbergasted

strange fjord
#

But man, that Koraidon doesnt seem to liking the team lol

torn parrot
#

he's in the wrong team

little plank
#

Any word on regulation I yet?

#

Debating on ccoming back for it lol

molten oasis
#

if you're refering to the next format coming up

spiral ridge
#

Yup

little plank
#

oh nice then my yenmega team will cocme back

craggy dagger
#

y-
yanmega in a restricted format-??

spiral ridge
spiral ridge
#

fuck

molten oasis
#

reg g if you're playing sneasler you're throwing

#

or yanmega

little plank
mint void
#

Imaing what u could do when you dont use Groudon

left bobcat
#

Can’t put down the cup

torn parrot
#

OOgagi

little plank
little plank
little plank
torn parrot
torn parrot
left bobcat
little plank
#

did you watch the replay lol?

#

Absolutely dominated the guy and he was 1750ish

left bobcat
knotty mirage
#

I wonder if i should push on current reg so i will have easier time when reg G come out but i really hate sneasler SadMimi

molten oasis
#

Don’t we all

knotty mirage
#

True oh well i guess i could try hopefully i don't throw my controller because of dire claw

molten oasis
#

hopefully

mighty stump
#

Meanwhile me in-game at Poke Ball tier cause I cannot be bothered to play cart nor do I have the time

molten oasis
#

was it a lack of time mostly?

knotty mirage
#

Prolly lack of time tbf i only play cart ladder to give my shiny mon master rank ribbon or just to take break from shiny hunting all together

knotty mirage
chrome knot
#

ough ive made the most criminal team possible im so sorry to all my friends and family that pair into me

molten oasis
#

im crying

mighty stump
#

It was stale and left a bad taste in my mouth

molten oasis
#

valid

mighty stump
mighty stump
knotty mirage
mighty stump
dull ibex
knotty mirage
#

Especially when they need too predict if my drago have scarf

lofty tartan
#

Dragon Energy doesn't KO Calyrex, so it'll get the TR up there if you don't double it.

Meanwhile Glacial Lance does get the ko on Regidrago.

solid frigate
#

wait it does not OHKO-

lofty tartan
solid frigate
#

just how-

HOW BULKY IS THAT ICE HORSE

lofty tartan
#

Extremely.

#

100 base hp and 130 base SpD go a long way

#

Regidrago has a base 100 spAtk

solid frigate
#

so you are telling me that crown can potential one shot the horse but not Lorb Regidrago

lofty tartan
#

Why would you Lorb Regidrago lol

solid frigate
#

idk i'm just saying-

#

it does OHKO

lofty tartan
#

Crown has Tachyon Cutter, which is a pretty strong move, and higher base offensive stats then Regidrago.

solid frigate
#

oh yeah i forgot it has fuck ton of multipliers-

lofty tartan
#

252+ SpA Life Orb Dragon's Maw Regidrago Dragon Energy (150 BP) vs. 244 HP / 0 SpD Calyrex-Ice Rider: 138-164 (66.9 - 79.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

#

Just for the sake of an example with Lorb

#

But I think Fang/Plate are ideal

#

252+ SpA Life Orb Dragon's Maw Regidrago Dragon Energy (150 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Calyrex-Ice Rider: 138-164 (78.8 - 93.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

#

Even zero investment survives.

#

But yeah, Caly-I is dummy thick

solid frigate
#

yeah its just unfairly tanky-

lofty tartan
next stump
#

good morning

lofty tartan
#

Morning Dillon. My end of day arkeknine

next stump
#

LOL polar opposite schedules

lofty tartan
#

The life of an overnighter xD

knotty mirage
#

The thing is i use caly i beside regidrago for pressure

#

So i can get trick room up

#

I'm refering to this team

lofty tartan
#

Regidrago has middling speed and if he takes damage before moving, his damage can drop considerably. That and he doesn't really offer anything that protects the Calyrex or enables it. It just does big booma. Seems rough.

knotty mirage
lofty tartan
#

Ah. Scarf.

knotty mirage
#

That's the team i plan to use next month reg

lofty tartan
#

I've played a lot of Regidrago so far and I gotta say, I don't think Scarf is quite the play.

knotty mirage
#

I mean i do combo it with caly for pressure could work well

lofty tartan
#

Locking into Energy, missing a ko and taking damage is bad

knotty mirage
#

Especially if my openent do need to know if i use scarf drago

knotty mirage
lofty tartan
#

If you're speaking to just the gotcha factor of a mon that doesn't usually run scarf running it in CTS, I dunno if I really wanna speak to that 🤷

knotty mirage
#

Fair enough will just see if this team gonna do well next month

chrome knot
next stump
#

Aaron and Markus are back with a brand new episode featuring one of our best friends, Wolfe Glick! Fresh off his record-breaking 10th Regionals win, Wolfe joins us to talk about his Perish Trap team, balancing VGC and content with the rest of his life, his motivations, and more!

Timestamps:
0:00 - Intro
5:20 - Discussion on Perish Teams
21:50 -...

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