competitive_discussion

[torn parrot]

i hunger

[real prairie]

LOL the contradictions between game 1 and 2

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025reggbo3-2258251172

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025reggbo3-2258254483

[torn parrot]

I

HUNGER

regieleki is so fucking fast its insane

[real prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/fast-running-gif-27100967

[torn parrot]

like

im not used to a max speed nature 100 base speed scarf pokemon just

not even coming a little bit close to outspeeding

[real prairie]

Timid max speed Leki hits 277 Speed

[shadow wind]

Give that man a scarf

[dense latch]

run tw just in case

[real prairie]

with a scarf and TW he is 1 agilty away from breaking TR, unfortunately he wouldn't be able to do anything as he would be locked to Agility though 🤣

[shadow wind]

Just use acupressure

[dense latch]

run sash and agility spam then

[shadow wind]

Smeargle with acupressure and tailwind

And get lucky

[real prairie]

only takes 2 Agility lol

without scarf i mean

wait no, 3

im a little shocked at just how fucking tanky Zamazenta is

252 SpA Kyogre Helping Hand Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Zamazenta-Crowned in Rain: 178-211 (89.4 - 106%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO

[knotty mirage]

Well it is supposed to be a tanky pokemon

[foggy lodge]

nvm im coming back to Zamazenta

I tried the Zama Latios Goltres team again and got a boost in elo😭

Zama broken

Or maybe i play Michael's team from worlds

https://pokepast.es/08e29d4b047d5d79

[real prairie]

Did i just play you 🤣

[foggy lodge]

Im just making Urshifu CC instead of Substitute

[real prairie]

thats who i just lost to

[foggy lodge]

were you playing Ludicolo specs tera wate

[real prairie]

Yes lol

[foggy lodge]

LMAO

Yes it was me then

[plain drum]

LMAO

[real prairie]

Hahaha

[plain drum]

Small world

[foggy lodge]

ggs dude

[real prairie]

GG

[foggy lodge]

The Ludicolo did more than i expected

[real prairie]

Whats your spread on Zama out of curiosity?

If it was 252HP 0SpDef i got unlucky 😭

252+ SpA Choice Specs Ludicolo Helping Hand Weather Ball (100 BP Water) vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Zamazenta-Crowned in Rain: 186-220 (93.4 - 110.5%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO

oh wait it wasn't HH it was Tera Water

[foggy lodge]

Nah my Zama has a lot of special bulk

Let me search it

[real prairie]

ah okay, that explains a lot

[next stump]

lmao that’s funny you found eachother

[real prairie]

Very!

[plain drum]

Wholesome though

[foggy lodge]

Zamazenta-Crowned @ Rusted Shield
Ability: Dauntless Shield
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 196 HP / 4 Atk / 156 Def / 108 SpD / 44 Spe
Impish Nature

• Body Press
• Heavy Slam
• Wide Guard
• Protect

[real prairie]

playing around your 2 wide guard mons was a pain in the arse lol

[shadow wind]

Man GXE really means nothing right now does it

Like I’m 38th on ladder with a 61 GXE

[foggy lodge]

Yeah it was probably the win con

The stressful thing to me was the speed control

[dense latch]

lol true

[foggy lodge]

Cuz if my Zama is faster is just ggs

[next stump]

ludicolo in reg G you’re a brave person

[dense latch]

day 1 ladder was insane

[shadow wind]

Yeah

[dense latch]

pummeled my gxe

[foggy lodge]

But you played really good i almost lost to Ludicolo lol

[shadow wind]

2 loses would drop your GXE by like 8

[foggy lodge]

Had to read a tect in Tsareena to win

[dense latch]

i made top 3 day 1 with 60% gxe lmao

and i think im at like 57%ish now

[shadow wind]

I just played against an Origin form Palkia and it’s faster than I thought it was

[foggy lodge]

reg g ladder is crazy right now tbh

[shadow wind]

It is

[real prairie]

when i saw TW go up game 3, i knew it was GGs

[foggy lodge]

I lost to a Roaring Moon Kyogre Porygon2 and i was like what the fuck

[shadow wind]

Like I’m just using my old Reg G team and it’s working

Groudon 🙏

[foggy lodge]

Genuinely just got outplayed and i don't know who was the person playing it😭

[dense latch]

it's early ladder crazinesss + reg g's matchup reliant games that makes it insane

[foggy lodge]

Yeah had to lead Goltres

[real prairie]

ill get you next time @foggy lodge 😉

[foggy lodge]

ahahaha

you know also the Pelipper punished half of your team but i could never set it😭😭

[real prairie]

you used a strange double wide guard on it, is it scarfed?

[foggy lodge]

Nah i just tried to play around the tclap

Didn't work lol

[real prairie]

Oooh

haha overplaying a bit lol

[foggy lodge]

Yeh

[real prairie]

I used to run HH, TW, WideG Pelipper so i rarely ever think its going to attack 🤣

my Scarf Kyogre speed ties with Scarf Ape, which is stressful for final gambit 🤣

[hazy lynx]

anyone got a good competitve team they dont use anymore for beginers??

[molten oasis]

What if I still use it?

Also what format?

[dense latch]

i doubt many people will just hand out competitive ready pokemon like that, best bet is probably to just practice on showdown

or trade in the respective channels

[solid frigate]

holy shit i slept 6 hours finally

[patent marsh]

Kek

Me with a completely red sleep tracker

[solid frigate]

fair lol

[patent marsh]

Yea you should see every day at 7am my phone gives me a notification saying I didn't sleep enough since it's only an hour or so

[solid frigate]

fair enough

[silent grove]

What is a good Pokémon for me to add to my team for healing (just in general)

[solid frigate]

Amogus,Comfey,Sinistcha

[silent grove]

Ok thanks

I’ll hunt some down

[solid frigate]

just remember those units can also do other things like support or redirection

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2258343766-lwdvmsf64mz0vt88uig8a70scnfrrcqpw

What the fu

[shadow wind]

“Yknow what, screw my bird”

And threw the game away

[shadow wind]

Ok now I think I’ve solved Reg G

[solid frigate]

we love to slander midbundle

[shadow wind]

Mhm

If it had a decent water move it would be fine

But it doesn’t

[solid frigate]

why does it not have Surf or anything that is good

[shadow wind]

Robots and water don’t mix

[solid frigate]

H-Pump is good but it misses more than how i miss my swiss Cheese Slice

[mighty stump]

Decent Water move
Surf

Bro

[shadow wind]

If they kept scald super available he would be good

[solid frigate]

i'm adding it cuz like H-pump is the only one that is viable

i'm going that down to the wire for Midbundle

[solid frigate]

i mean who asked for nerfing the water types-

[shadow wind]

Me !

For Groudons sake of course

[solid frigate]

Groudon has sun but then again

The Burn sucks for Groudon unless Tera

[shadow wind]

Yeah…

[cyan smelt]

milotic > iron bungle

[shadow wind]

Literally

[solid frigate]

we love more midbundle slander

well i will not slander bundle in early Regs

[cyan smelt]

milotic is better defensively and has scald and recover

[shadow wind]

Iron bundles gimmick is how fast it is

Outspeeds everything with booster speed

[cyan smelt]

does it beat eleki speed

[shadow wind]

Is that even a question?

Eleki hits 277 max, Bundle hits 206 max

So after booster speed it’s over 300

[cyan smelt]

crazy

[shadow wind]

I mean Flutter gets 1 point lower

But also has 2 crazy stabs as well as a 135 spatk 😭😭

Man, 80 GXE seems so far

That is still a milestone I have not hit

[mighty stump]

Good luck.

Its satisfying when it occurs

It's an achievement whether its Bo1 or Bo3

[strange fjord]

i got like a solid 75 gxe in 2024 reg g. dont think i gotten an 80+, if I have it was probably early battles

thats a tough thing to do

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/Chaldavgc/status/1864975049687732267?t=jvFesOlWt1y8-xTx9QKRtg&s=19

Glastrier’s Strongest Soldier (@Chaldavgc) on X

13-0 to 13-1 with Dartrix. Ending my GC run here. This is a real screenshot. I am good at Pokemon. Goodnight!

Twitter · Dec 6, 2024, 10:07 AM

[shadow wind]

Well it’s like what, something like 30 wins and no losses?

[cyan smelt]

Wonder if weezing gigas will make a comeback, it's like having a 2nd legendary

[knotty mirage]

Probably not isn't the only reason why regigigas is uses much on SWSH because of dynamax

[shadow wind]

Yes but also it’s still super strong this Gen

[knotty mirage]

I mean yeah it's good but it's not that amazing

[cyan smelt]

Being able to turn off all abilities besides as one is nice

[shadow wind]

It having the normal type is great

Calyrex can struggle against it for sure

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2258387257-uc0i5zjsrudej68dax2g0mdvfsywdi5pw

Generational Pao game

[cyan smelt]

Knock off for the calyrexes, high horsepower for fire types, drain punch for everything else

[shadow wind]

Drain punch?

Run double edge

[cyan smelt]

For sustain

[shadow wind]

Or crush claw

[cyan smelt]

True

Oh yeah crush grip

[shadow wind]

Reg G is not the “I want to stick around” Reg

[shadow wind]

That’s what it’s called

I forgot

[knotty mirage]

I'm not sure if regigigas will be uses much especially when it's doesn't even get that many play in reg before reg G comes out

[shadow wind]

I mean Maya used it with Zacian and popped off

So who knows

[cyan smelt]

Wow howl boosted sucker punch does a lot

[knotty mirage]

You use howl zamazenta ?

[cyan smelt]

Nope

Watching Conner's replay

[shadow wind]

Adamant +2 tera dark suck punch will nuke anything

[knotty mirage]

Ah i thought you use that i always wonder if it will work

[shadow wind]

Zamazenta is cringe(I’m just salty because I keep losing to it)

I feel like howl Zama is one of those things that is just a waste

[knotty mirage]

Zamazenta is not as bad as caly so i don't really have problem with it

[shadow wind]

Yeah Zamazenta is beatable

The horses? No way Jose

But yeah nah I use Gouging fire

My goat 🐐🐐🐐

[cyan smelt]

Might try coaching urshifu

[shadow wind]

Who’s your restricted?

[cyan smelt]

Zama

[knotty mirage]

I wonder what will happen in double restricted will we get abudance of caly s with zamazenta and caly i with miraidon duo

[shadow wind]

That sounds evil

[cyan smelt]

Saves me having to run id

[shadow wind]

I will be personally running Cosmog AND Cosmoem

I’ll actually probably run Groudon and Lunala or something similar

[mighty stump]

Don't need to wonder

It will be

[knotty mirage]

But caly s and zamazenta does sounds like an unbeatable duo everything that counter caly or immune too it dies to zama

[shadow wind]

Miraidon + Koraidon

Raging bolt gaming

Iron moth gaming?

Are those the only 2 that benefit from both?

[knotty mirage]

And for caly i + miraidon volt switch to trick room does sounds annoying to deal with

[shadow wind]

Ew

Tera fairy follow me Pachirisu

🙏🙏🙏

[knotty mirage]

I mean it can counter the miraidon but it will not stop caly to use trick room

[cyan smelt]

Surprised I haven't seen gigas yet, maybe it's a bit of a gimmick

[knotty mirage]

It is tho

[shadow wind]

Very gimmicky

But a strong gimmick if you can master it

[knotty mirage]

Like why even bother using regigigas that reliant on weezing to work than just use caly and kill everything in sight

[cyan smelt]

You could run 2-2-2, say weezing gigas, Indeedee caly s and something else

[shadow wind]

Dozo

[cyan smelt]

That's truly evil lol

[knotty mirage]

Or just use the weezing and pair with caly s should work better

[shadow wind]

Oh yeah, when double restricted happens I can pair Groudon with whoever

[cyan smelt]

Groudon zama

[shadow wind]

I’ve only ever used Groudon in competitive as my restricted

I’m loyal to him

Even if he misses his Pblades

I felt like I was missing a lot of moves today

So many games came down to 1 or 2 misses

[craggy dagger]

eternatus

252+ SpA Beads of Ruin Kyogre Ice Beam vs. 164 HP / 84 SpD Eternatus: 160-190 (67.7 - 80.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 SpA Beads of Ruin Calyrex-Shadow Astral Barrage vs. 164 HP / 84 SpD Eternatus: 117-138 (49.5 - 58.4%) -- 98.8% chance to 2HKO

252 SpA Sheer Force Landorus Sandsear Storm vs. 164 HP / 84 SpD Eternatus: 146-174 (61.8 - 73.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[still ridge]

Is this the only chat for competitive discussion? for example reg H doubles as well as various other formats? (new to this discord)

[craggy dagger]

yes!

[cyan smelt]

What about glacial lance?

[shadow wind]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-cat-meme-face-cat-caught-gif-9217199394233666269

[cyan smelt]

Also doesn't lando run earth power now

[shadow wind]

A lot of them yes

[cyan smelt]

Maybe I should consider running hurricane on torn instead of bleakwind because then it won't get blocked by wide guard

[shadow wind]

Maybe

It also would do a lot more damage

[cyan smelt]

Chance of confusion vs chance of speed drop

[torn parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/kasumi-love-live-love-live-kasumi-punch-anime-punch-gif-19285337

[molten oasis]

Why you punching the screen again

[shadow wind]

It’s Maya

Why not?

[dull ibex]

vc?

[timber falcon]

is there a reason more people are running offensive rillas?

im seeing a lot of grass tera

[cyan smelt]

Maybe because caly s is water tera

[timber falcon]

true ive seen more water tera

only makes kyogre team harder to make

[chrome knot]

why !!

[shadow wind]

Just use thunder Raging bolt

[timber falcon]

its on one of my potential teams

legit had to create a showdown box in order to gather synergy between mons i think kyogre works with

[shadow wind]

They look pretty solid

[chrome knot]

kyogre/wo chien goes hard

[timber falcon]

Didn’t match my play style sadly, ended up with lefties calm mind as my pick

[chrome knot]

side puff disruption & water spout spam isnt ur playstyle?

[shadow wind]

It’s understandable

Playing with health is tricky

And also slow Kyogre is annoying

[timber falcon]

I’m trash at maintaining health like that, though at some point I’ll force myself to tackle this issue I guess

[shadow wind]

That’s how I feel playing any team that I didn’t hand craft

I am dreadful at playing teams I didn’t make

[timber falcon]

Yeah I find myself playing much better with teams I’ve made myself

[shadow wind]

It is something I need to get over though

Playing other peoples teams is how you learn

But I guess for the meantime Groudon gaming will do

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/56b3f339ef8bc172 done with the first team

thoughts?

[shadow wind]

Looks solid

Why Jug over Torn though? And darkfu over waterfu?

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2258467691-f58qzqatcynvjkvgntaesw9c21bk0impw

Also I just want to say, this 2-2-2 Caly team is so dumb

[chrome knot]

i hate the caly s team set

if it was plot u were fucked lmao

[shadow wind]

100%

But they never are on Weezing teams

[chrome knot]

ill be the one

[shadow wind]

They go and nuke then let Dozo clean up

[chrome knot]

bad play

dozo comes out after haze mon dies

rule of thumb for dozo

[shadow wind]

I mean it is Paonite, not usually haze

Especially banded haze…

The Dragonite set is a weird one for sure

But if it ain’t broke don’t fix it

Cause I just went 25-7 which I can’t be mad at

[chrome knot]

no after playing all of reg h somebody dumb will run haze dnite

[shadow wind]

Ouch

[chrome knot]

and csr dozo is team to beat so why not

https://pokepast.es/165588e2024c897d — idk why the wcs team was toxic spikes/poison gas i think will o to slow down phys threats to let calyrex win even harder would feel better

[shadow wind]

They want to not think and click the same 4 moves every game

Poison everything then be fat

[chrome knot]

but all the spreads have min bulk

they’re relying on natural bulk & being able to wear down team quick enough for dozo

[shadow wind]

Yeah, Caly S does Caly S things and if they’re lucky the opponent will just explode

[chrome knot]

idk if its luck

but yeah

[shadow wind]

Dependant on the opponent being unprepared I mean

No luck in the actual game

Still crazy how Glacial Lance and Astral Barrage are 100% accurate

[chrome knot]

??

i think its insane that scale shot can miss

[shadow wind]

Yeah

Me too😔

[chrome knot]

love showing up to locals and reaching an end game where the ONLY lose con is missing

AND THEN I MISS !!!!

[shadow wind]

How do you think Groudon feels to play?

[balmy glen]

Why is it insane

It gives u a speed boost lol

[chrome knot]

at the cost of my silly defence

[balmy glen]

but u hit multiple times too

[chrome knot]

my loaded dice

[real prairie]

Best turtle counter? grassy terrain + leftovers + substitue + Protect getting on my absolute nerves

[mighty stump]

Taunt, Encore, Urshifu

[knotty mirage]

Maybe taunt and use wide guard

[real prairie]

wide guard only helps after it teras

[chrome knot]

TOFU

[real prairie]

its the shell nonsense thats doing my head in

[chrome knot]

WANNA SEE MY HAIR I JUS GOT IT DONE @mighty stump

[knotty mirage]

Fair are you using zamazenta as your restricted by any chance

[real prairie]

Kyogre 🙂

[knotty mirage]

Oh yeah kyogre might have hard time going agains't terapagos so i'm not sure

[real prairie]

ive put Urshu into my team, seems to be helping

[knotty mirage]

Ah good too know then

[next stump]

yeah as long as you have urshifu it's managable

[real prairie]

Even so its not easy lol

[bold geode]

POG

[real prairie]

i had to apologise to him, this is the worst luck i think ive ever seen, i felt bad https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025reggbo3-2258549643

Is there a way to get the damage calculator to account for a Sitrus berry?

[next stump]

in what context? it usually does in my experience

[real prairie]

trying to calc Incin surviving a surging strikes with a sitrus berry

as the berry will trigger after hit 2

[knotty mirage]

I don't think incin will survive surging strike no matter the EV without tera

[real prairie]

I think it can, because of Intimidate

[knotty mirage]

Uh crit

[real prairie]

-1 252 Atk Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 152 Def Incineroar on a critical hit: 348-414 (88.3 - 105%) -- approx. 31.3% chance to OHKO

it counts crits

thats without Berry

[knotty mirage]

But crit will ignore the attack drop so it will just die no matter what unless you burn the shifu

[real prairie]

ah right

[knotty mirage]

As far in my experience of playing ladder i never seen incin no matter how bulky it is survive surging strike unless the incin tera

[real prairie]

even without the -1 is the same tbf, i guess it already calced that for the crit

252 Atk Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 152 Def Incineroar on a critical hit: 348-414 (88.3 - 105%) -- approx. 31.3% chance to OHKO

oh wait ffs it reset to lv 100

252 Atk Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 152 Def Incineroar on a critical hit: 186-222 (92 - 109.9%) -- approx. 56.3% chance to OHKO

It OHKO (without Berry consumption) over half the time

[sour flint]

hi

do yall know any people that kinda help w getting into competetive likee explain it in more detail y they do what and things like that?

[real prairie]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBw6UXAiq0A&ab_channel=WolfeyVGC

[sour flint]

okidoki tyy

[next stump]

do you want to play double battles or singles?

and what is your experience level with playing competitive battles

[sour flint]

oh and like how do people know whats meta like i watched a few )2 or 3) of the internationals and like the meta did shift quiet a bit ? but like how do u know when and in which direction if that makes sense lmao likee at the beginning there were quiet a lot of alola ninetales teams (atleast it felt like it ) and then they just dissapeared ?

[sour flint]

doubles ig ? i ve never seen anything about singles tbh

[sour flint]

barely anything ive played the last few days like 25 games or sum im hyperball rank 10 ? i tihnk ? hope ykwim and before that i played like last month maybe like 10-20 games too

[real prairie]

you understand the basics of Natures, EVs and IVs?

[sour flint]

yea

[real prairie]

okay so the complicated bit out the way lol

[sour flint]

kinda skipping trough it rn and like all of that is pretty basic till now

[real prairie]

yeah its a bit of a 101

ignore that, it looks like its singles focused

[sour flint]

oke lmao

[real prairie]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTmQS_zxiCw

[stark kindle]

@bold geode helpful video for you

[real prairie]

choice scarf ditto is a new one

[bold geode]

You bitch lol

[real prairie]

🤣

[bold geode]

I'm actually subbed to his Patreon I'll have you know

[stark kindle]

Everyone starts somewhere! It's ok!

[bold geode]

Imma kiss you so passionately bro

[stark kindle]

Pucker up sweet cheeks

[sour flint]

Btw those r the 2 teams i've used till now like the guardevoir team like a month ago or sum and the rain team the past few days

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-kisses-gif-7653998

[sour flint]

likee idk i dont think i really wanna build a team rn my problem is more that i dont know most of the time when to choose which pokemon, who i wanna lead or yea idk stuff like that ig?

[real prairie]

practice

use Showdown

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/

[sour flint]

ik it but i hate that its that small 🥲

waitt i ll try it tho

[next stump]

so general advice:

1. play using an already good team (like one that does well at an official tournament) and practice a lot with just one team that clicks with you. Switching teams a lot really hinders players' growth in the beginning IMO

2. practice on showdown, not in game. It allows you to save your replays much easier and there is even a really handy spreadsheet called PASRS (linked here - https://x.com/BauerdadVGC/status/1838230791672762788) that will track your win/loss percentage, what pokemon you bring, etc.

3. just play a lot and ask questions. If you lose a game that you feel like you should have won, send the replay in here and ask for help. If you don't know how to handle a matchup, send a message asking in here. It's hard to answer vague stuff like "I don't know what to lead in VGC" but it's really easy to answer stuff like "here's my team, here was my opponents team, what should I have lead?"

And you might already do this, but watch people like CybertronVGC on youtube who have amazing videos and walk through their thought process to help you see what a top player is considering during a turn

[sour flint]

okii ty guys

[gentle crag]

ciaomeow has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[sour flint]

yea i got the guardevoir team from his vids 🤞

[next stump]

awesome, good to see you already watch him

[chrome knot]

ohhh youre gay gay

[next stump]

also to answer your question above about the meta - I think there are 2 parts:

1. Players in different regions tend to favor different styles of teams. A lot of European players like to bring "balance" teams, teams with no clear strategy but good pokemon that have good type synergies. This allows them to be very flexible with their matchups and rely on their own skill/knowledge to win games. Players in NA tend to be more creative with their teams (not always) and play teams that are a little more off-meta.

2. To take your example with Alolan Ninetales, that pokemon did very well in 3 back-to-back tournaments that all happened within about a week or two of eachother. The reason it was such a great pick was because double dragons (Dragonite + Garchomp) were everywhere and Ninetales has a fantastic matchup into both of them. Once people saw the consistent domination from Ninetales, it was pretty easy to make a few tweaks to popular teams to "counter" Ninetales. Stuff like dropping Garchomp, adding Gholdengo, changing around defensive terastilizations, etc. Then the metagame became much more hostile towards Ninetales, so players strayed away from it. It's not bad by any means, but it can't just farm tournaments like it did during the early format

[bold geode]

Nuh Uh

[sour flint]

ohh okay makes sense ty

[gentle crag]

You gave Gen Rep too recently. You can give Gen Rep again <t:1733591004:R>.

[bold geode]

Actually nah gotta spread positivity
Instead of threatening to beat em up, threaten to kiss em
Totally straight

[craggy dagger]

[chrome knot]

noovaaaaaaa

[craggy dagger]

hii

[chrome knot]

i got my hair done today

[craggy dagger]

ooo

[chrome knot]

looky looky i pwetty noowwww

[craggy dagger]

[mighty stump]

Looks great btw

[plain drum]

[bold geode]

Hai bestie

[craggy dagger]

[torn parrot]

i miss being dire clawed

im kinda bored

[real prairie]

Sneasler have no usage in Reg G? Half expected it to be the hidden gem that stuck around

absolutely not the unburden set, but the sash poison touch set

[molten oasis]

nah, shifu superior

[shadow wind]

I keep running into this stupid rain dance Sneasler and I can’t beat it

[real prairie]

where do i reset my ladder stats, I found it before but now can't find it again

found it

[chrome knot]

on ur profile

click ur name twice

[sour flint]

are u guys just playing reg h on showdown or am i missing something?

[bold geode]

I just have like 20 alt accounts

[shadow wind]

Reg G is on showdown yes

[bold geode]

All except 2 of em have Monke in the name so it's ez to remember most of em

[sour flint]

oke its one restricted right?

[sour flint]

is there a way to see my history?

[shadow wind]

Yup, one restricted

[real prairie]

I just ended up using the user lookup, but good to know for next time

[real prairie]

https://pokemonshowdown.com/users/

search your own username

can reset the W/L ratio too (it wont reset the Elo)

[sour flint]

Okay so what do i do against it https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2258651242-ixkaznd5b8sqn5uot1dfiu3jci6r0dapw
Like i lead w Tyranitar and garchomp cuz i thought bringing talonflame for speed is useless since its a trickroom team. I didnt know what Decidueye does so i jsut tried to get rid of it which worked .... However that set his Armarouge perfectly up to just one hit me w Expanding forces. So like what could i've done or who could i've brought w me since like i dont have someone to change the terrain orrr idk

[sour flint]

okay tyy

[sour flint]

guessing "Glicko-1" is the estimated elo or mmr or sum?

[shadow wind]

Yup

[sour flint]

oki

[dense latch]

you can also do /rank in any chat like VGC

[shadow wind]

Whenever I do “/rank” I’m just disgusted with how many games I’ve played

[shadow wind]

Like 305 games on one account already

[real prairie]

i have 600+ games on Reg H alone.... never played any Reg H competitive LOL

[shadow wind]

I had like 2700 on an account for Reg H

[dense latch]

i have way too many reg g games already

[sour flint]

okay ty

[gentle crag]

ciaomeow has given 1 Gen Rep to eriksp

[shadow wind]

Yeah me too

[dense latch]

i must’ve got 1000 reg h games across like 8 accounts lol

[shadow wind]

But I now have 2 accounts with 75+ GXE so I cannot complain one bit

Went like 36-12 and 44-18 or something

[dense latch]

im probably dropping bo1 altogether soon to play consistent bo3s instead

cts is pain

[placid mist]

on Calyrex should i run lorb or spell tag for damage

[shadow wind]

I can’t imagine Bo3 on mobile

Can’t even use the OTS aspect 😭

And I’ve been on mobile for a little bit cause I’m away so Bo3 is off the table

[shadow wind]

A lot run lorb

[sour flint]

also is there a way to see the teams higher rated player use ?

[shadow wind]

Munchteams is a site that has a bunch of replays

It’s sorted by elo but only public battles are there

So you might not get the tippy top

[sour flint]

oke ty

[shadow wind]

You might even see a replay of mine on there

[sour flint]

oke lmao

[bold geode]

Munchstats, LabMaus shows tournament usage from regionals to online community held ones which some attend every now and then, also can MAYBE look up some replays on SD if you're lucky

[foggy lodge]

Victory Road/Labmaus/Top cut Explorer

I like Labmaus

[next stump]

you lead perfectly this game. You just needed to knock out the indeedee and not the decidueye and you very very easily win the game

[dense latch]

i think if you hold on one of your opponent’s mons you can see their moves and stuff

i’ve played some room tours on mobile and that worked

[shadow wind]

Oh for sure you can still see them but a lot of them when doing that it likes to highlight the jpegs and causes the screen to go blurry and not show the info

Overall just really annoying to deal with

[dense latch]

yeah it’s def inconvenient

[shadow wind]

I also don’t play much Bo3

Maybe I’ll shift back into that when January comes around

[dense latch]

games tend to last a bit less in reg g relative to h so bo3 aren’t as long

so i’ll prob try more of it

[shadow wind]

Good point

[dense latch]

^ you should be in the lead as long as TR doesn’t go up or you’re able to knock out armarouge before it does

[sour flint]

are there also sides where i see the evs of the used pokemon? like i ve used top cut explorer but it doesnt show the evs so i cant rebuild the teams properly (i only saw it in i think his name was TalonVgc (?) vids on yt where he went over the top teams of the internationals and gave a brief description of them and showed like ev's and stuff like that

[sour flint]

okay ty🤞

[gentle crag]

ciaomeow has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[dense latch]

munchstats shows most used mons and their entire sets

[shadow wind]

^

[sour flint]

okay ty

[dense latch]

items, tera types, natures, moves, etc also makes it easy to copy and paste them

[shadow wind]

It isn’t the best for putting a team fully together as it might end up kind of Frankenstein-y but it’s a great place to start

Most teams that succeed will have something for a specific reason, and if you’re just copy and pasting without context it can definitely be harder to play the team I find

[sour flint]

ohh okay just saw it it doesnt show the tournament teams but just the most common sets which can then help coppying the teams tho

[dense latch]

you can combine top cut explorer/labmaus with munchstats to make a ladder ready team

[sour flint]

okay ty

[shadow wind]

Or you just look up “World Champion team” and become a sheep

No hate to anyone that uses that team

But I see it 15 times a day

[sour flint]

like for reg g or am i missing something? i thought there wasn't a world championship in reg h?

[dense latch]

yea for reg g

[shadow wind]

The Miraidon team

[dense latch]

i see mdb’s zama team so much too

[shadow wind]

Although I do like fighting it

[sour flint]

ahh okay

[shadow wind]

That the rain Pao one?

[dense latch]

it’s pao zama entei rilla flutter ursh

[shadow wind]

Oh yup

[sour flint]

wait ig it makes more sense anyways playing reg g already since reg h is only there for like one more month?

[shadow wind]

See that one tons

[dense latch]

yea, that’s what many ppl are doing

[sour flint]

oke

[shadow wind]

And it’s early ladder

So you could snag a top spot pretty easily

[dense latch]

you don’t need to drop reg h if you’re enjoying it but it’s nice to have that extra practice

[dense latch]

^

[sour flint]

idek what most legendaries do 😭

[dense latch]

watching worlds sets is probably a good next step then

get to know common team compositions and each pokemon’s roles

[shadow wind]

Calyrexes - Kill everything
Miraidon - Iron hands best friend
Kyogre - Rain
Zamazenta - Fat and bulky

[sour flint]

igg ? is it just the same rules as at worlds ?

[dense latch]

yes

[sour flint]

ik what kyogre and groudon do ? guessing that u dont name him sun is useless?

[sour flint]

okidoki

[shadow wind]

He’s just less common

I personally use him

[sour flint]

nice

[dense latch]

koraidon is the more common sun setter

[shadow wind]

But he ain’t amazing

[sour flint]

oh didnt even know he had that abillity

[shadow wind]

Groudon is very high risk high reward

Well

High risk above average reward

[dense latch]

i’d do anything for pblades to get an accuracy boost

i loved groudon teams back in swsh with gmax venu and zard

[shadow wind]

Meh

Just gotta be lucky

😔

Usually my game plan

[dense latch]

at least it’s not mewtwo

could be worse

[shadow wind]

Yup

And that’s why I’m happy he’s at least usable

[next stump]

[dense latch]

yooo nice

what’s your record so far?

[sour flint]

whats that?

[shadow wind]

10-3 is my guess

[dense latch]

Grand Challenge, huge official online event

[sour flint]

ohhh okay nice

[next stump]

12-1

[sour flint]

thats insane no?? is it also over 2 days?

wait nvm 12-1 means its already day 2 right?

[dense latch]

it’s not like normal in person events

[sour flint]

ohh okay

[dense latch]

you choose when to play, iirc it’s 45 games or so across 3 days

[sour flint]

(also just saw its ovre 3 days lmaoit legit says it there but yea) ohh okay

[next stump]

if I hit 1700 I am stopping

[sour flint]

but 45?

[balmy glen]

Push to 1800

[sour flint]

ohh its "like" showdown and ur finish decides it? kinda

[balmy glen]

Around 1750-60 is the top 32 cut off

[dense latch]

oh my bad it was 3 days last time

[sour flint]

no it is 3 days mb just said it wrong like its from 12/5 till 12/8😭

[dense latch]

point is 72 hours lol

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/marc0fier0/status/1865462841534247144?s=46&t=ABmlfVEFBQCjDsVtUhlUlQ

fra (@marc0fier0) on X

Here's the rental team of the squad I used to win LAIC and secure 2nd place at the Gdańsk Regionals (though that version was slightly unoptimized)
Feel free to try it out in these last weeks of Reg H!

https://t.co/Vg7j0RLjGo

Twitter · Dec 7, 2024, 6:26 PM

Anonimanto

It goes hard asf😭

[maiden elk]

Is liquid voice on the popplio line better then having a fairy sparkling aria

[mint void]

what?

there is no fairy sparkling aria

[maiden elk]

I legitimately thought it was a fairy move

[mint void]

water type

also liquid voice doesnt exclude sparkling aria as its an ability that turns soud moves into water type

Mainly hyper voice, which I think you are refering to

usual sets are hyper voice, moonblast, protect and a 3rd move. Either coverage or Haze

[maiden elk]

Ahh

[patent marsh]

Yea Primarina was the only of the 3 to not get a signature move using the secondary typing

[maiden elk]

That’s what I must’ve been mixing it up with and hyper voice

[patent marsh]

Sparkling aria biggest issue is it friendly fires on your own team mate

So if you use fire type next to it, it's going to take a lot of damage

[maiden elk]

That I forgot so it’s useless unless you use a water absorb mon next to it but that wouldn’t be good

[patent marsh]

In fact in sun n moon if hau has it and you manage to make him send out primarina and use a Z move it can accidentally target you

[patent marsh]

Or heavily resist it

Since sparkling aria cleanses your partner it hits

But taking 95 bp damage is not fun

If it didn't have EQ targetting the move would've been good tbh

[maiden elk]

And don’t even think about using a guts user next to it also

Because it would remove the burn

[patent marsh]

Honestly if it wasn't EQ targeting

That would move would be so good with physical attacking partners when burns are common

[bold geode]

Damn if only I gave a fuck about H still

Actually you know what is crazy
If you only count the ones it's appeared in, Porygon 2 is 2/2 in Internats

In SV

If you count ones it didn't appear in then 2/3

Porygon 2 fuckin ballin

[next stump]

retiring here, finally didn't bomb a GC lol

[molten oasis]

Very tempted to switch over to rivals

Idk how much I’m enjoying this game rn

[patent marsh]

tbh you can just play both

I play tekken 8, gg strive, and some other competitive games, while maintaining a decent on going play time with SV and my TCG addictions :sitt:

[mint void]

pwhat rivalsß

and for what?

[patent marsh]

marvel rivals

overwatch but with marvels and funny world physics cause you can break stuff

[next stump]

only reason to 1 trick pokemon VGC as your only game is if you’re trying to play competitive

or if you truly truly love it (but then you’re probably playing competitive anyway)

[mint void]

yhea I know i just wasnt sure if he meant that. Used to play OW competitively

[molten oasis]

Tbh idt my mental can handle more than 1 max

[molten oasis]

Marvel rivals

From VGC

maybe for just a week to learn

[molten oasis]

I don’t have this kind of time

Cuz I also do other stuff

I also work on model kits and play more than just competitive games

And I’ve quit apex cuz the game sucks lol

So I kinda only wanna play 1 at a time maybe juggle 2

[patent marsh]

I mean I play normal games too and do gundams, wood working and stuff

I just have the time cause I'm an insomniac 💀

[dull ibex]

Who are you maining?

[shadow wind]

Somehow I got my 2 accounts at the same elo

Drastically different GXEs though

[molten oasis]

Currently Psylocke and I’m kinda learning Moon Knight

[dull ibex]

Moon knight is my go to which is shocking

Because he's not one of the easy characters

[molten oasis]

He’s cool, his main attack bouncing off everyone is really good lol

[dull ibex]

I learned up a few people and got a few kills lmao

[molten oasis]

Psylocke 5 star difficulty, idk if that accurate, but she difficult, I had multiple games of just pushing stupidly and dying lol

[dull ibex]

Spiderman looks hard AF

[molten oasis]

Agreed

But people that are good with Spiderman are crazy

Iron Fist is stupid lol

[dull ibex]

Iron Man looks cracked AF

[molten oasis]

I think he’s pretty good, I’ve only ran into 1

That knew what they were doing

I would have played vanguard or strategist but I kinda don’t enjoy the kits they offer rn

That and I’m also bad at these kinds of games lol

[timber raptor]

Been away for a while, but was doing some casual battles. And I had a Rayquaza with 3x attack boost, and 3x speed boost using earthquake against skeledirge. I was burned, but I couldn't figure out for the life of me why I was hardly doing damage, enough to get out-healed by slack off.

Come to think of it, unaware says it ignores stat changes while atttacking. so I am still clueless

[next stump]

yep, unaware made you effectively +0

[patent marsh]

Burn

[timber raptor]

Is unaware when I am attacking, or when they are attacking. And does burn negate stat changes and apply debuff? I thought it just offset them.

Essentially it would be as if it was normal effective but would still have 3x Attack bonus right?

[next stump]

unaware will ignore opponent's stat changes when they're attacking you

[patent marsh]

Burn cuts physical moves bp in half

[next stump]

in both positive and negative ways

[timber raptor]

Unaware was the main offender, I was aware of the burn

[next stump]

so if your rayquaza was -3, you would have also been treated as neutral

[foggy lodge]

Unaware basically ignores the boosts in calcs

[patent marsh]

Ah

[foggy lodge]

So yeah don't set up in front of unaware mons xd

[timber raptor]

Lol I had Blaziken Swordsdance+ Protect into a batonpass to rayquaza, then after earthquake didn't do much, I did a dragon dance. Now knowing what the skeledirge had access to, I know they were hella amused.

I might get a skeledirge of my own then. Seems a pretty good counter if I see any obvious setup mons in an opposing lineup

[shadow wind]

My Groudon just lived a Tera normal life orb hyper beam from Calyrex Shadow…

[still ridge]

Dondozo is another popular unaware mon

[shadow wind]

Power creep who?

[patent marsh]

I mean it works a lot of the restricteds have some set up involved last time reg G was around

[timber raptor]

To be fair, I'm mainly just trying to learn enough to build teams around some of my preferred mons (like rayquaza) so that I can battle friends. I'm not going to get too far into the nitty gritty of competitive

[molten oasis]

You’re having fun against the caly’s ig

[still ridge]

I usually prefer formats with less legendary pokemon, feels a lot more diverse

[shadow wind]

I have no clue how I lived

Literally lived on 1

The god evs I guess

Honestly Calyrex isn’t even that bad

Maybe I’m delusional

But I ain’t 17th on the ladder for nothin

[dull ibex]

me and my best friend are hard losing

[shadow wind]

BAZINGA

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2258791200

CALYREX ICE IS MY SON

[molten oasis]

I do not feel that way

[shadow wind]

And that’s probably the right opinion

[molten oasis]

lol, I hope you’re having fun at least

[dull ibex]

somewhat

[shadow wind]

Don’t get me wrong, both Calyrexes feel uber unfair

But they both have their weaknesses

[lofty tartan]

Yeah Calyrex was more manageable when they couldn't drop their weakness like a bad habit.

Shadow's crippling weakness to dark is just a "thing" when they can click a button to resist lol

[shadow wind]

For sure, Tera makes them ridiculously strong

[craggy dagger]

a what

[shadow wind]

You read it correct

[craggy dagger]

why would anyone do that

[shadow wind]

Tera normal hyper beam lorb

Only god knows

[drowsy comet]

dont judge me but caly ice is my fav mon

[shadow wind]

Judging

[drowsy comet]

hooray

[shadow wind]

But hey, if it wasn’t busted I’d probably like it too

[drowsy comet]

nah just the design and stuff

[shadow wind]

The wha?

[drowsy comet]

a rabbit on an ice horse is kinda fire

[shadow wind]

I personally hate naked Calyrex’s design

[drowsy comet]

lmao same

but when its on a horse its nice

[shadow wind]

To each be their own I guess

But I can’t really judge, my favourite is Groudon

[drowsy comet]

oooh groundon is also one of my favs

[shadow wind]

He’s just a sick guy

And I was able to make him work somewhat well

[foggy lodge]

You know Caly Ice is kinda cool

When i replayed crown of tundra to get a 0 speed Calyrex i ended up liking it

And i transfered it with its same Glastrier to SV they are still friends

[shadow wind]

Waiting for Groudon to be great again 😔

I will make him great this Reg G

[craggy dagger]

that’s true

both caly designs are really cool

too bad they’re also busted n therefore everyone hates them

i don’t remember if i’ve asked this before but uh
when you fuse the calyrex-
does it take the horse’sIVs or the deer’s IVs

[shadow wind]

Horses I believe

[next stump]

yes the horse

you need 0SPE glastrier for example

[shadow wind]

Dang I know my stuff(50/50 chance)

I feel like the Miraidon craze has died down

When I was laddering today I only really saw horses

[craggy dagger]

i see thank you!

[molten oasis]

That’s why I’m annoyed at the format lol

They feel so unfair and I deliberately choose a restricted that’s “fair”

[shadow wind]

We’re in the same boat here

[molten oasis]

Yea but you put the time into the game to learn your mu’s

I don’t

[next stump]

single or double battles?

[shadow wind]

I meant that we just use fair Restricteds

[bold geode]

Just do it

[molten oasis]

Sure but you learn your mu’s

Which makes your guy feel better eventually

I don’t cuz I don’t put in the time

[molten oasis]

I need to play like 1 on 1 CSR/CIR with people not grind the fucking ladder

[shadow wind]

I just played a lot and my pattern recognition did the rest

I never went in depth on how to beat them

At least I don’t think I did

That’s going to be rough as there is no dark type restricted…

[molten oasis]

Holy shit there isn’t

Mind blown

well this format there isn’t

[bold geode]

I mean that's damn near the ladder rn lmao

[next stump]

probably something like:

• Urshifu-S
• Incin
• Grimmsnarl
• Calyrex-S (tera dark)
• Chi-Yu
• whatever you want as your 6th

booster energy roaring moon for tailwind could fit

[molten oasis]

That’s not my experience

[next stump]

for a doubles team, you want to change a lot of the moves

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/0fdc74e3b3fcdb5e hey Dillon what do you think of this?

[next stump]

stuff like:

calyrex should probably have nasty plot and protect, dropping definitely dark pulse and also potentially dark pulse

brute bonnet should be leaning more into its offenses with at least seed bomb

chien-pao needs protect over acrobatics

moltres wants tailwind + protect over rest + sleep talk

chi-yu wants heat wave over flamethrower, the rest is fine

covert cloak incin is kinda weird, I think you're better off with something like safety goggles for opposing amoonguss

[next stump]

looks good 🙂 maybe coaching on zapdos over something?

a lot of pokemon on the team that could benefit from it

[molten oasis]

Just other throat chop?

[next stump]

yeah probably

protect over roost on moon, knock off or breaking swipe over protect, and it's looking solid

EV spreads could use some work too, I recommend checking out something like MunchStats unless you're specifically calculating for stuff

steal them from munchstats

no need to do your own

oh shit sorry i misphrased that

yes, the moveset should be protect/tailwind/knock off/acrobatics

[timber raptor]

Curious. So clodshire with water absorb would be immune to water type moves, but typing wise it would be weak. How would it appear to an enemy? Would the move say "Super Effective" or "No effect"

[foggy lodge]

ok how the fuck did Aurelien's Flutter survived a Tclap + Grassy Glide double up💀

[next stump]

super effective

[foggy lodge]

Im working on my Flutter spread and doing the calcs is like how

https://youtu.be/uZ8dD41FY7I?si=R5W_d2QzZGjEVdVx

[timber raptor]

Thx, good to know

[gentle crag]

jon_t_ has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[mint void]

Cant get a double Protect to save my life in this damn game.

0,006831675453247426400256 - chance of my 12 consecutive fails to happen in a row.

0,6%

[shadow wind]

I mean that isn’t that unlikely

It definitely happens

[mint void]

Yeah hut like at some point the game can give me one to make a game easier no?

[shadow wind]

I mean for sport I once lost 14 coin tosses in a row

[mint void]

F

[shadow wind]

Yeah it was rough

But hey, luck always balances out

(I am coping so hard)

Groudon has missed so many Pblades

[mint void]

I have a bunch of unfortunate shit happen to me so shit hasnt really balanced out yet here.

[shadow wind]

My game for 12th on the Reg G leaderboard I missed half the Pblades I used

Sometimes your luck is going to suck

But if you do your best to play around luck it will make you a better player

[potent coyote]

good players don't depend on inconsistencies to win

[shadow wind]

Exactly

Good players take advantage of good luck and push through bad luck

[potent coyote]

that's not what I meant

don't rely on inaccurate moves

[shadow wind]

Well that too

[plain drum]

Let's go gambling

[shadow wind]

Wait I recognize your name

[potent coyote]

Riley Factura day 2 every event he went to last season without ever using an inaccurate move

(I think)

[shadow wind]

Think I saw you on the leader board for Reg G?

Or did we play? I can’t remember

[potent coyote]

idk

I played alot the first 4 days

I just button mashed a hundred games to get to a decent rating

[shadow wind]

I’m going to take a bold guess that the Showdown account with the same name is you

[potent coyote]

yes

[shadow wind]

Nice !

[potent coyote]

thx

I hate this format I don't think I will play it much

just gonna wait until May when GS Cup returns (hopefully)

I have a goooood team for that

[shadow wind]

Well good luck in that if it happens

I’ve been running the same team since old Reg G

So I don’t even got any new tricks up my sleeve

[mint void]

Wwll yes. Like it doesnt even feel rewarding 90% of the time and ur just giga mad if it misses. Inaccurate moves arent great

[potent coyote]

lol same I built a Miraidon team that was really similar to what won Indy and I've been updating it as I've gone

also used terapagos for a large portion of 2024 reg g

[potent coyote]

yea

[shadow wind]

So many Miraidon teams

But I ain’t complaining

My team has a great MU into it

Thank you Groudon for being ground type 🙏🙏

[mint void]

Rn im just spamming CalySR(sorry), but as soon as reg G is back in game im going to Terapagos

[potent coyote]

it's best to avoid using teams where the main moves you use are inaccurate
like kyogre, groudon, zacian
they're not bad mons but the inaccuracy of their moves sets them so much farther back behind stuff like calyrex and miraidon

[potent coyote]

and Groudon doesn't even beat Miraidon btw

unless youre like av

[shadow wind]

I know 😔

[potent coyote]

or your opponent is ass/misses draco meteor

[shadow wind]

But Groudon does enable Flutter

Which helps

[potent coyote]

flutter mane doesn't either but it helps a little bit I guess

[mint void]

Talking mus. Playing GC rn and I only get TR psyspam teams and its THE worst matvh up for my team. Loke TR eruption shit np. But psyspam is horrendous

[shadow wind]

Well if they’re choice itemed which they almost always are the Ground Fairy combo can pin some Miraidon if you play it right

And then Dgleam but Tera fire Groudon

Yknow

It got counter plays

And with the amount of Miraidon teams I would say I’m pretty versed in the MU

[cyan smelt]

is tera normal hyper beam caly s a thing now

[shadow wind]

I hope not

I really hope that was a one time thing

Why? Did you find one?

[cyan smelt]

watching a game and yeah there's a tera normal hyper beam one

[next stump]

yeah I also played a ton of psyspam

[shadow wind]

Wait what player?

[next stump]

I think it's because it's tough to read without a teamsheet

[shadow wind]

I saved the replay of mine I think

[cyan smelt]

infinitygroudon

[shadow wind]

Same guy I think

[cyan smelt]

caly s meta is toxic

[shadow wind]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2258780978

Yup, same guy

In the nicest way possible that Calyrex S set is atrocious

Everything else looks completely fine

[dense latch]

def a lot of potential

i dont think brute bonnet is better than amoonguss

[shadow wind]

Needs to be dark

It isn’t the Calyrex that’s the issue

It’s the choice scarf

With protect and nasty plot

[dense latch]

rocky helmet amoong with minimum speed is great for urshifu and caly i underspeed

redirection is great for caly s teams too

i would do snarl on chi yu over psychic

and roaring moon is a bit meh imo

annihilape is not a threat in reg g

i would drop the scarf on caly s altogether

you have tailwind and one of the fastest mons in the game already

[mint void]

Apeed boost booster energy vs caly?

[dense latch]

oh damn i just realized it's a mono dark team my b

[mint void]

Pretty aure I heared that name somewhere. Idk if its from tiktok or YT or some shi

[shadow wind]

I’ve played them so many times

[mint void]

Fissure, Heavy Slam?

[shadow wind]

The name is misleading

[dense latch]

same

[mint void]

Ruination, Prot

[dense latch]

i faced infinity groudon like a few games ago

[shadow wind]

They don’t use Groudon, I was very disappointed

I remember seeing them super high up in Reg G1

And I thought they made it to the top of ladder with Groudon

Never meet your heroes kids

Because in the end they all are Caly spammers 😔

[dense latch]

what about switching chi yu and caly-s' items?

i think scarf chi yu is super strong

and it outspeeds opposing caly s

[shadow wind]

He don’t need it 💪💪💪

[dense latch]

with scarf it does

among other threats

[shadow wind]

He actually probably does need it…

[dense latch]

i would do tera ghost on pao as well

[shadow wind]

No one wants to touch him with a 10 foot pole

[dense latch]

:((

[mint void]

Here me out: Duraludon Support

[shadow wind]

Yeah Tera ghost is really good on Pao

I’m so greedy I run adamant with Tera dark

[dense latch]

if u wanna be extra annoying you can do snarl ting lu

[mint void]

Had someone play it with breaking swipe + snarl recently in a small custom tourney

Was pretty decent actually. Not meta relevant but funny and not useless.

[shadow wind]

Ting lu just cooks Caly S doesn’t it

[dense latch]

wait actually

maybe lorb caly s would be better here since there's no redirection

which makes caly s very vulnerable without protect

[shadow wind]

At least flutter has a super effective hit on him

[dense latch]

idk if brute learns rage powder

[shadow wind]

It does

I think

[mint void]

Brute is funny to me.

[shadow wind]

Well it’s better than a not very effective hit

[dense latch]

i'd also drop one of psychic or psyshock for shadow ball to get through wide guard shenanigans

and maybe dark pulse over draining kiss? the latter is only really used in tera fairy caly s sets, you're not gonna do much damage to anything without it

[shadow wind]

What is it?

[dense latch]

tera dark dark pulse gets some decent KOs, esp with specs/lorb

[shadow wind]

And then a single dark type shows up

[foggy lodge]

My wide guard Pelipper:

[shadow wind]

Anyway this is rock paper scissors

We’re getting nowhere

All I’m saying is that people have done that before

If you want Wobbufet you could use final gambit annihilape

Achieve the same thing pretty much

[dense latch]

wobbufet suffers from all my friends are dead syndrome

does little to nothing if you just ignore it

[tiny karma]

Wobbuffet's moveset:

Physical Moves

Counter

Special Moves

Mirror Coat

Status Moves

Amnesia, Charm, Destiny Bond, Encore, Safeguard, Splash, Tickle

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Wobbuffet.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[molten oasis]

That’s so ass lmao

[dense latch]

it might tickle you

that's about it

[shadow wind]

That’s how grass types feel against certain teams

Volc and Rillaboom should never be on the same team imo

I have seen so many teams with those 2 just not be able to do anything to a single fire type

[dense latch]

lmao

volc rilla balance was a very common core too

[shadow wind]

I’ve used it a bunch in earlier regs but man, having 2 Pokémon that can’t beat fire types is so annoying

[dense latch]

true

i was running bax volc rilla last month

[shadow wind]

Oh nice

[mint void]

Rillaboom juat wins qith tera tho...mine does professionally kill fire types.

[dense latch]

i had basc for fire types and coverage on rilla

it was alright

[foggy lodge]

Me

Im suffering now with Tera fire Koraidon😭

I could body press throat chop my way through it but still

[still ridge]

I think one of my least fave things about making a new team, you build it to counter what you expect to play against then it feels like you never see those strategies again 🤣

[shadow wind]

8

8 elo

Thank you game

[cyan smelt]

This is why I'm afraid to ladder, because I'll get matched with someone that has 1400 or 1500 elo

[dense latch]

https://pokepast.es/0261aa152c95023d should i run tera grass on caly i? i was thinking of that since fire is less of a nuisance with pelipper

any other feedback would be great too

[cyan smelt]

Grass to avoid spore but watch out for torkoal and opposing caly i

Or water is good too

[shadow wind]

😭😭😭

[cyan smelt]

That name spelling

[shadow wind]

He had a feint Skarmory

What the frick am I supposed to do

I didn’t even know bro got that

[dense latch]

whattt

[cyan smelt]

Why would you even use skarmory

[shadow wind]

No one knows what it’s about to do

[cyan smelt]

Bo1 ladder sucks

I'm gonna test my team on bo3 ladder

[dense latch]

skarmory looks like a wide guard mon

idk why

but it doesn't get it

[cyan smelt]

Skarmory is a singles mon

[foggy lodge]

And lose 40 if you lose

lmao

[potent coyote]

On weezing compositions

[cyan smelt]

Fun

[potent coyote]

It went like 11-1 in a big gs cup tournament a few weeks ago which I think made a couple people interested in it

I don’t think it was much of a thing before that

[foggy lodge]

honestly Weezing calydow is frustrating af

I knew it was around since worlds but now i have to fight it and its common

[potent coyote]

It’s been common since July

[foggy lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/wes-fall-to-knees-scream-gif-27602552

[potent coyote]

It was really popular on the ladder

[balmy glen]

I would love for them to click that against me as a Zama player

[potent coyote]

Hi keanu

[balmy glen]

Hi

[foggy lodge]

keanu can i make you a question?

[molten oasis]

I lost to a weezing CSR not even due to actually losing, I would have won, I lost to the game lagging out and it not telling me shit

Gapdos has been solid tho

[rustic mountain]

another gc, another weekend i dont have enough time to play

[balmy glen]

Ask away

[foggy lodge]

is the substitute urshifu in Michael's team from worlds that important?

Cuz i've been playing with close combat in that slot but idk

[molten oasis]

You’re just gonna get cheesed by funny GC strats it’s fine lol

[rustic mountain]

lmao sure but id like to think i wouldnt just be getting constantly cheesed every game

ive done decent at gcs before wen i can actually play

[mint void]

I was 50/50 on it. Sometimes felt like missing cc was making me lack coverage but aldo sub won me 2 games so

[cyan smelt]

Wonder what was popular at perth

[balmy glen]

Tbh I’ve done good the past few gcs and I think generally there’s not a lot of cheese past like 1700

[rustic mountain]

agreed

even once u hit 1650s its usual pretty standard stuff

maybe a move or tera or item that different on something

[balmy glen]

Was he goggles Ursh I forgot

[foggy lodge]

Yeh

[balmy glen]

what’s his moves

[mint void]

Aqua, surging

Sub, Prot

[balmy glen]

ah right

[potent coyote]

not sure what sub is for to be honest

[balmy glen]

he seemed to think it was fine at worlds also it kind of helps to be able to sub at times for knock off spores/wisps from Tera ghost rocky helmet incins/ raging bolt

[potent coyote]

oh

[balmy glen]

More of a mind game thing but it’s useful in some scenarios where u need to click it to stall

[rustic mountain]

isnt pao on the team too

[potent coyote]

I guess

[rustic mountain]

u hav fighting coverage

[potent coyote]

yea but it's throat chop

[rustic mountain]

ahh ok

[potent coyote]

the reason behind that is that zamazenta comes vs like 99% of teams anyways, so you never lack fighting coverage

unless zamazenta dies

[foggy lodge]

Ohhh ok

[rustic mountain]

yea so i feel like sub should stay then, hes a great player the choices are there for a reason

[foggy lodge]

So pm standard compositions

[foggy lodge]

Throat chop Pao is cool

I can actually hit Farigiraf and the Calys

[potent coyote]

ye

[foggy lodge]

And Indeedee

[potent coyote]

and ghost incineroars

[rustic mountain]

prolly nice to be able to get subs up in certain positions that can keep u safe going forward while ur advancing ur position

[foggy lodge]

Hmmm okok

Im going to keep substitute then but i liked having double fighting coverage😔

[balmy glen]

If u liked double fighting coverage use coaching like I did lul

The amount of times I lead Zama Ursh coaching on Zama was crazy

[rustic mountain]

id try learning the team as is first before making any major changes, like its clearly a strong team sometimes u gta get the experience/reps in to really understand why the choices make sense

[foggy lodge]

Could i keep coaching on goggles shifu?

[rustic mountain]

also bo1 vs bo3 if u feel certain things might give u an edge in bo1 that doesnt really compromise the teams core strengths, go for it

[balmy glen]

Nah cuz ur not faster than most of the mons on ur team

[foggy lodge]

Tbh im going to play Zamazenta and im between playing Michael's team or your team from worlds lol

[foggy lodge]

Yeh i learned that with the Latios Goltres team

It was not until i played the original team that i understood many things about why is the team like that

[rustic mountain]

its one thing for someone to say what its good for, its another to really have it click for how ur actually doing it. sometimes u need those spots to open up for u in a match to really be like oh ok this is it