dragos taking the riley approach
#competitive_discussion
bold geode
Incin Dozo Shroom sounds more passive than fucking Abridged Gohan
molten oasis
I have 0 speed control besides vacuum wave and fake out then
Basc was helping with that
rustic mountain
Incin Dozo Shroom sounds more passive than fucking Abridged Gohan
i did note that it does put more of the offensive onus on dengo and bm but sometimes thats fine. doesnt mean u always gta bring all 3
also doesnt mean its good lmao
molten oasis
The redirector also can only do so much into stuff with goggles
rustic mountain
was a thought/suggestion
molten oasis
No that’s fine I appreciate it it’s not, really what I’m looking for
bold geode
i did note that it does put more of the offensive onus on dengo and bm but somet...
Yeah no just sounds like you're not getting much done
molten oasis
That 6th needs to be something that helps with incin and/or gambit, is naturally fast/has speed control, and doesn’t overlap too much
I’d also prefer it finish fantasy or FWG core
bold geode
Anyways I don't take Riley approach but I still have a line
Like I'd rather use Tantrum over Stone Edge on Entei
foggy lodge
what do you think about sacred fire
i will never forget that double miss in a row from my Entei
bold geode
What's the accuracy again?
summer shore
Sacred fire is a really fair move
foggy lodge
95💀
bold geode
I think it's fair and yeah 95 is totally justified especially with the reward it can bring
I know it first hand
A lot of Sacred Fires burn me
molten oasis
I’ll do like 95% accurate usually if the trade off is worth it
Scale shot just misses for me so much so I’m semi against dnite
summer shore
I think it's fair and yeah 95 is totally justified especially with the reward it...
I was being sarcastic i think the move is stupid
foggy lodge
yeah its worth it is just that what do you mean i got the 5% two times in a row lol
bold geode
But like idc when we get back in restricted if Stone Edge can OHKO a Tera Fire Koraidon (not sure if it actually does)
Brother I am not relying on a 3/4 accurate move
rustic mountain
Yeah no just sounds like you're not getting much done
u still have things u can enable but yea it does mean generally they have to do more then maybe ud like. there have been quite a few more defensive based teams that have done well, wolfeys perish trap, ting lu dozo stuff in reg c i think, garganacl winning svs first regional. slow burn teams are fine but u do need something that can either burst down or do consistent dot. its not inherently bad
molten oasis
yeah its worth it is just that what do you mean i got the 5% two times in a row ...
Icicle crash
bold geode
I was being sarcastic i think the move is stupid
When it works on you a lot uh
foggy lodge
Sacred fire is dumb
molten oasis
The flinch chance and higher BP is worth the trade off to me
I’ve also been not into Bax because loaded dice sets are not super consistent
foggy lodge
50% chance of burn is dumb, p much you can just fish the burn on something
tho when i added flare blitz as the 4th move i clicked it more than sacred but its still dumb
rustic mountain
I’ve also been not into Bax because loaded dice sets are not super consistent
they literally are tho haha bax got 4th at this current laic, nd scale shot dnite is everywhere
p sure its in finals rn
bold geode
Yeah like 50% chance to burn a lot of meta threats, especially physical restricteds which all usually carry Clear Amulet is crazy and way justifiable
It's hard to justify 75% accuracy though
Don't know how MDB used it on his team
foggy lodge
Dnite is in finals
rustic mountain
may not be 100% accurate but its consistent
foggy lodge
Used by Torviv
rustic mountain
yea its like protect/tw/haze scale shot or some shit
foggy lodge
Harry Potter and the philosopher's dice
bold geode
Scale Shot is consistent, you're just gonna have to understand that you're gonna miss inaccurate moves
Literally a "shit happens" effect
solid frigate
Bax Returning???
Me making another Team ayoooo
foggy lodge
idk if 4 hits actually kills idk
bold geode
What it comes down to is if you as a player choose to justify it or not
Either way is fine tbh
rustic mountain
yea
molten oasis
they literally are tho haha bax got 4th at this current laic, nd scale shot dnit...
Ok when I use it
I miss like half of them
foggy lodge
Scale shot gives you speed control tho
molten oasis
Scale Shot is consistent, you're just gonna have to understand that you're gonna...
Consistently misses
foggy lodge
Its valid if you still don't want it i just think it has value for what you are looking for
bold geode
Well some have better luck than others lol
molten oasis
no shit monke you know how bad my luck is
bold geode
I mean it's fine to not run inaccurate moves
Look at Riley lol
solid frigate
I mean it's fine to not run inaccurate moves
Look at Riley lol
teh goat
molten oasis
Its valid if you still don't want it i just think it has value for what you are ...
If it hits
chrome knot
@lofty tartan is it dumb to buy 2 1tb SSDs that are $70 than 1 Samsung 990 @ 2tb lmfao
molten oasis
I want to avoid that
I get it’s in finals and that cool
I like knowing my move is gonna hit
solid frigate
what speed does Bax need to hit tho
molten oasis
For scale shot idk
solid frigate
i would try D-Claw Instead but Scale shot i somehow need to learn how to fucking use that move
molten oasis
I’m just gonna stick with basc and learn how to use it
foggy lodge
i mean something about scale shot that i think its important is that its not a move that you can just click to chip or something, i think putting yourself in a position that allows you to not lose too much to a miss is important too
bold geode
I like knowing my move is gonna hit
Blud swears on Play Rough Zac
molten oasis
Blud swears on Play Rough Zac
You know that’s the exception shut up
solid frigate
I’m just gonna stick with basc and learn how to use it
what if i can make them both on a same team tho
kek
molten oasis
i mean something about scale shot that i think its important is that its not a m...
But it puts me into a position where I can lose
solid frigate
molten oasis
If I miss
summer shore
Accuracy debate in 2024 nearing 2025 😭
molten oasis
My accuracy on scale shot actually felt like 50%
summer shore
Just use the move who cares if it might miss
molten oasis
I missed 4 in a row
molten oasis
Just use the move who cares if it might miss
I do, I care
bold geode
Anyways how is @summer shore
solid frigate
also
If its not 100% Accurate its 50% Accurate honestly
summer shore
Ur gonna miss the kill using the 100% acc move
summer shore
Anyways how is <@177012687111323649>
Im done with uni for the year
solid frigate
just live for a fact that some moves requires risk and reward
molten oasis
Or I just don’t use mons that rely on inaccurate moves
bold geode
Im done with uni for the year
Pog
chrome knot
vgc time ladies
foggy lodge
ITS MUTED
chrome knot
annnd they fucked up tje audio!
solid frigate
vgc time ladies
i don't think anyone here is a girl atm
bold geode
Nah she said we're ladies
We're all ladies now
molten oasis
summer shore
There is a difference between ranting about missing and shying away from the sheer possibility of missing but to each their own i suppose
solid frigate
solid frigate
What’s wrong with not wanting to miss
i think its just based on own Preference,some want to play risk vs Reward and some want to play the game more secure,which i don't see anything wrong at all
After all,if you want a risk of not landing but if it lands then you get higher KO chance then go for it
summer shore
What’s wrong with not wanting to miss
I've personally debated this exact topic way too much previously so will just excuse myself
Again to each their own
foggy lodge
molten oasis
Fine I’ll try scale miss dnite
foggy lodge
wait is the guy in semifinals related to Marco or something
foggy lodge
i wanted to say seniors finals my brain jumped to semifinals mb xd
foggy lodge
that's his little brother pietro
ohhh cool shit
molten oasis
Fine I’ll try scale miss dnite
because I’m in the wrong for not wanting to rely on rng to win games ffs
bold geode
Love it when comp chat can't let shit go
foggy lodge
happens xd
solid frigate
*because I’m in the wrong for not wanting to rely on rng to win games ffs*
tbf go what you want on it
In the end it your own but whatever
foggy lodge
CA Bax?
torn parrot
I’m up
molten oasis
Well my options are down to 1 cuz I won’t use ape as I tried it so whatever
Oh icicle spear is 100% accurate
rustic mountain
There is a difference between ranting about missing and shying away from the she...
agree w/ this
molten oasis
rustic mountain
idk if i like dual ice but could be fine
molten oasis
idk if i like dual ice but could be fine
One of the loaded dice moves will always hit, and snow boost
I’ll go to dnite if Bax feels bad
rustic mountain
i think tera poison or ghost is nice for bax
molten oasis
Ok
rustic mountain
atleast wat ive seen on the ones that do well
u can try water tho idt thats bad by any means
solid frigate
i think tera poison or ghost is nice for bax
personally favour Tera Poison cuz your Ice STAB already covers Ground
and pretty strong defensive Tera nonetheless
what item does Male Indeedee run fuuuuuuu
rustic mountain
scarf or sash usually
solid frigate
scarf or sash usually
both used by Basc and vivilion
rustic mountain
maybe try specs then? idk lmao
rustic mountain
🤨
solid frigate
indeedee f?
yeah Indeedee F
rustic mountain
also maus isnt really around much idk if u have to show it that much respect
but its been used b4
solid frigate
also maus isnt really around much idk if u have to show it that much respect
well at least just in case
Also fitting if Sneasler has Sash then i guess its good enough
rustic mountain
yea like i said its been used before
bold geode
also maus isnt really around much idk if u have to show it that much respect
Me: respects Maus
Maus anyways: 1 2 3 4 5
foggy lodge
https://pokepast.es/1ea41641de03001c
what do you think about Gastrodon actually
solid frigate
ICE FANG on bax like???
foggy lodge
Gastro hits quite hard tho
I think you could drop yawn for something like icy wind or clear smog
Also what's your match up against Dozogiri?
chrome knot
<:PikaLmao:678990785500413962>
explain yourself.
solid frigate
explain yourself.
i'm being trolling
rustic mountain
Me: respects Maus
Maus anyways: 1 2 3 4 5
i jus dont know if it warrants as much respect to dedicate an entire item to specifically counter it, not something u should necessarily completely ignore either
seniors finals boutta b over
real prairie
molten oasis
Gastro hits quite hard tho
Not really
bold geode
Damn they just going with it
molten oasis
Also what's your match up against Dozogiri?
Amoonguss
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
bold geode
Looks nice, just wish there was a tiny bit more space
molten oasis
That’s not great special attack
foggy lodge
id put clear smog on guss
molten oasis
No the mu is fine
real prairie
Looks nice, just wish there was a tiny bit more space
Unfortunately my kids have Commandeered the other rooms of my house so i have to use the space i have lol
molten oasis
I want protect since I lack protect
bold geode
Unfortunately my kids have Commandeered the other rooms of my house so i have to...
Yeah can't have it all lol
real prairie
That’s not great special attack
Couple storm drain boosts and it does a job
bold geode
This finna be a great set
real prairie
Would storm drain absorb Water Shurriken as 1 move or per hit?
molten oasis
Couple storm drain boosts and it does a job
That’s assuming I get one
bold geode
Damn bad spot for Victor
real prairie
That’s assuming I get one
If you aren't confident in a storm drain boost its rarely worth brining it
bold geode
That was a great play, the Ursaluna is no doubt fast so it was really safe to go for that Torkoal switch
foggy lodge
damn
bold geode
DAMN
dense latch
damnn
bold geode
OH
bold geode
P2 gonna have to carry like a mfer
bold geode
Shoulda just attacked
dense latch
this is decent info for victor at least
rustic mountain
trs better cuz u can use recover first if u get confused into confusion hit at any point
foggy lodge
out of all grass types Sinistcha and Jumpluff are going to win an international huh
rustic mountain
he was jus covering for a very specific situation prolly wouldve been fine if no tr but it was jus more optimal
torn parrot
What does it feel to be a tree
solid frigate
out of all grass types Sinistcha and Jumpluff are going to win an international ...
wait its Sinstcha vs Jumpluff-
rustic mountain
this is looking like a marco win
dense latch
as in one of sinistcha or jumpluff is gonna win
bold geode
God that's tough
dull ibex
Wait isn't this just standard rain?
rustic mountain
yea this 2nd game was so one sided
bold geode
Archelliper, incin, ghold, moongus, and basc
Standard rain yeah
bold geode
Welp boys
Sun has finally claimed a title
dull ibex
Btw what is ghold doing in standard rain
bold geode
Let's be real, we knew this team would get a win
bold geode
Btw what is ghold doing in standard rain
Sneasler wall
Good defensively in rain
rustic mountain
3 ic titles yeesh
foggy lodge
so Charizard Jumpluff won
rustic mountain
yes
foggy lodge
And 2 times LAIC Champion in a row
rustic mountain
did u watch the set?
bold geode
That was QUICK
rustic mountain
marco really played that insanely well
victor is a great player
to make it that decisive like damn
dull ibex
I thought zard sucked
rustic mountain
I thought zard sucked
u havent been keeping up then its insanely powerful given the right position
bold geode
I thought zard sucked
Nah
Rn it's a mini Chi Yu
rustic mountain
foggy lodge
marco's gotta be the best player in the world rn
true
hallow vector
as a Charizard hater, I feel sadge
foggy lodge
And as they said, first person to defend an ic title
hallow vector
but DAMN was Marco good
molten oasis
If you aren't confident in a storm drain boost its rarely worth brining it
Why do you think I’m not looking at it lol
Zard won?
rustic mountain
marco's gotta be the best player in the world rn
def in the discussion, top 5 bare minimum
foggy lodge
The Skiploom is the key
next stump
dude this announcer is booty
molten oasis
God damn why is it busy on a Sunday in Utah
balmy glen
Have to change my team for sac lul
foggy lodge
Also is Sneasler dropping a bit in usage?
balmy glen
Also is Sneasler dropping a bit in usage?
It’s just the usual vgc cycle
foggy lodge
Didn't saw that much here tho still number 1
next stump
can we talk about how stupid it is that there are still two “TBD” slots on the NA calendar
and it’s almost december…
balmy glen
Mon broken=mon gets countered=mon drops in usage=mon doesn’t get countered as much=mon is back
foggy lodge
like that time when Urshifu water dropped in reg F?
chrome knot
Have to change my team for sac lul
yay
i adjusted my team today, waiting to see what sac does
solid frigate
As a Charizard main in Smash this feels great tbh
aren't you an Ivysaur Main lol
torn parrot
I look up characters that 8 years olds play
And go off of that
Also
Iv gotten to the weird af point where I’m considering tera rock indeedee
solid frigate
I look up characters that 8 years olds play
wdym by that lol
torn parrot
Because that means they’re extremely easy to play
solid frigate
Because that means they’re extremely easy to play
well Kirby is one of them in my mind
torn parrot
I tried kirby it’s now my favorite
solid frigate
I tried kirby it’s now my favorite
Rob is pretty darn Easy cuz its hitbox is bullshit,Aegis i would also think its Easy (I Main Aegis)
torn parrot
I literally want tera rock indeedee because it resists eruption and facade
And I can click trick room
solid frigate
moment
torn parrot
I might try it
I’ll see how it goes
Actually that’s stupid af
Why would I do that
I’m just tryna figure out how to have a better matchup into ursaluna porygon amoongus
Hmm
Ill figure it out
Probably a stray tera grass will do the trick
I’ll just remember to set veil
molten oasis
Who won
rustic mountain
marco
solid frigate
i almost wanna say Polo but thats a bit too memey
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2245841938
Anyways somehow +4 Bax-
rustic mountain
rustic mountain
25/48 mons in top 8 were distinct
bold geode
well Kirby is one of them in my mind
Kirby is a piece of gum some lonely ass kid wished to life like Ted and you can't change my mind
bold geode
oh damn teams already up
Tbf
Although spreads may differ, Cybertron did feature that team 2 weeks ago
foggy lodge
4 Electabuzz + Nite teams in top 8
And 5 Dragonite and Electabuzz in the top 8
damn that duo looks so good
chrome knot
https://victoryroadvgc.com/2025-laic/
just use top cut explorer, isnt filled with ads :3
bold geode
damn that duo looks so good
It's a good combo
solid frigate
Kirby is a piece of gum some lonely ass kid wished to life like Ted and you can'...
LMAO
bold geode
Scale Shot Dnite is consistent when it connects and I've been saying Buzz better
foggy lodge
yeah i think Electabuzz is overall better
Better match up into rain, speed control and faster while keeping most of the thing from Magmar
Magmar will fill some niches like having wow and sometimes clear smog but the better MU into rain helps a lot
bold geode
Magmar is also good but I see a lot of people have went to Incineroar again for some reason and yeah Buzz does well into the things that beats up Magmar
Meanwhile like Sun is the one thing I can think of that Magmar is better into over Buzz
Plus speed control can be very nice for teams like that since they tend to not be as heavy into setting Trick Room or Tailwind
Also having one weakness is kinda nice when you're looking at a piece like Eviolite Electabuzz that's just real tanky
foggy lodge
Incineroar feels good rn
How it feels to play Incineroar Rillaboom fake out rotations
iron valley
How it feels to play Incineroar Rillaboom fake out rotations
Throw in sneasler too
Team of "Everything that's wrong with pokemon" (/j)
foggy lodge
i mean it has been around a while
idk whats are some tools for that match up
Inci safety
good ol one
im pretty sure overheat in sun from Chari kills Inci but meh
bold geode
oh boy now I gotta worry about charizard sun teams
It was featured by Cybertron and got a finals appearance 2 weeks ago
iron valley
yeah! and of course rain is always good against sun
foggy lodge
252 SpA Choice Specs Solar Power Charizard Overheat vs. 108 HP / 44 SpD Incineroar in Sun: 171-202 (92.9 - 109.7%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO
oblivious me wanting to play adamant Inci
Guess i'll go with careful and a lot more bulk
foggy lodge
Throw in sneasler too
I did jiji
iron valley
Evil
foggy lodge
Incineroar/Rillaboom/Sneasler/Dragonite/Volcarona/Gastrodon
iron valley
I'm sure it feels awesome against rain lmao
foggy lodge
It actually has very good coverage and yawn to play more slow matches
molten oasis
It was featured by Cybertron and got a finals appearance 2 weeks ago
I’m gonna see it more
That’s what matters
bold geode
Not me bud
I'm checked out for Reg H 
I love all the 3 posts I did for Reg H content lmao
Literally tried to type up another analysis but like after a Sneasler section, I just checked out
molten oasis
Hm
Yk what that’s not a bad idea
I won’t fix this team
Anyway LOOK WHAT I GOT
bold geode
Imma either play Fortnite or prep for G
foggy lodge
Fortnite better
bold geode
Nah
Rn it's doing OG on Chapter 2 so that's fun
But G is also exciting
Plus I got sauce
molten oasis
But G is also exciting
Plus I got sauce
I may join you but how are you prepping?
Is it theory crafting mostly?
bold geode
I may join you but how are you prepping?
Rn it's like
Maybe a few friendlies but mostly watching back Worlds matches and reviewing those
Doing calcs
Yada yada
Basically theory crafting but with an actual idea on the meta this time
molten oasis
I’m down for some friendlies sometime
I’m, just, I wanna play legendaries again lol
This formats okay, and i just don’t think I’m in the mood ever to play I just do to not get super rusty
foggy lodge
how it feels to have +1 Body press sword of ruin
bold geode
Vibes
foggy lodge
i just want to remind too
I think Dozogiri will be very popular when reg G comes back
there were like 3 Dozogiri teams in top cut at worlds and more in day 2
molten oasis
I think Dozogiri will be very popular when reg G comes back
guess I’m abusing a haze user
foggy lodge
i'll have to think more about that match up i think
bold geode
You kinda right
What's my Dozo MU hmm lemme think
unkempt flax
What’s the issue with no H-Arcanine? It has a positive matchup into almost over half of the top 16 pokemon
Granted rain is like heavily used, but that never stopped its usage (really) in whatever reg it was popular while rain-shifu was popular
bold geode
Oh I can burn Dozo potentially lfg
bold geode
Granted rain is like heavily used, but that never stopped its usage (really) in ...
Thing is Rain is so dominant it's not as great plus just better picks objectively tbh
solid frigate
What’s the issue with no H-Arcanine? It has a positive matchup into almost over ...
Incineroar does things better anyways
bold geode
Starting to feel like Harc actually benefitted from the higher power levels it was brought into
foggy lodge
+2 156 Def Unaware Dondozo Body Press vs. 196 HP / 156+ Def Zamazenta-Crowned: 96-114 (50 - 59.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
am i cooked
foggy lodge
Granted rain is like heavily used, but that never stopped its usage (really) in ...
i think it has some niches
solid frigate
+2 156 Def Unaware Dondozo Body Press vs. 196 HP / 156+ Def Zamazenta-Crowned: 9...
y e s.
What are you cooking
foggy lodge
I think its main problem is being tera dependant
But i still think its usable, there have been a couple succesfull Harc teams
bold geode
Cuz once again like Incineroar right
Even though Harc is used more as an offensive piece, Incineroar is still objectively better as an Intimidate Pokemon and even in lower powers it's around
Plus Kingambit is super popular and Incineroar resists Kingambit STABs while Harc doesn't
solid frigate
Yeah If incin is not in SV then most of the time Harc is used more
or Even Lando T makes a resurgence (Which did happen in Reg D)
foggy lodge
y e s.
What are you cooking
nothing im just doing calcs
cuz i saw a Dozo Body press with Tatsugiri droopy and panicked😭
solid frigate
cuz i saw a Dozo Body press with Tatsugiri droopy and panicked😭
I think one of the people here use Pagos+Dozogiri
solid frigate
https://pokepast.es/8e44b85c5505beef
that Dozogiri is kinda did not matter that much cuz Calyrex already has strong MU against the Dogs-
foggy lodge
yes i have beef with this team i hate it
foggy lodge
that Dozogiri is kinda did not matter that much cuz Calyrex already has strong M...
well yeah
unkempt flax
Thing is Rain is so dominant it's not as great plus just better picks objectivel...
That kinda makes sense honestly. I know it’s obvious, but I figured it wasn’t like the actual deciding factor..
Yeah that’s fair. Making a really stupid team rn that I fw heavy.
It’s a BP Kommo-o with MT Weezing. Don’t ask just having some fun rn and it’s working.
Any suggestions for partners?
foggy lodge
Will need some better answers for it
I don't think i'll play Zamazenta in reg G 2 tho
solid frigate
I don't think i'll play Zamazenta in reg G 2 tho
I mean Monke would play Zama and Ray soooo i guess ask him lol
foggy lodge
probably just Luca's team but searching trough regionals i've found some funny things
solid frigate
hell Keanu is right there
foggy lodge
lol
solid frigate
probably just Luca's team but searching trough regionals i've found some funny t...
go for it
foggy lodge
I played Zama for like 3 months during reg G
solid frigate
I played Pagos for 3 Months and i want a break before i took it too far
foggy lodge
I like it but i want to test the other restricteds i couldn't in the first wave
foggy lodge
probably just Luca's team but searching trough regionals i've found some funny t...
like i found this team https://pokepast.es/710316c6c3ec286d
solid frigate
oh god-
foggy lodge
i will not play it but it's in my teambuilder because i think its funny lol
solid frigate
dear lord
I'm just gonna stick to Miraidon for Now
At least i can use a Wacky Mon There,Zacian i really can't lol
iron valley
like i found this team https://pokepast.es/710316c6c3ec286d
Oh I hate this
solid frigate
Literally
foggy lodge
I'm just gonna stick to Miraidon for Now
At least i can use a Wacky Mon There,Z...
crown?
bold geode
That kinda makes sense honestly. I know it’s obvious, but I figured it wasn’t li...
Incineroar is kinda just a go to
bold geode
I got sauce
The haters will hate
solid frigate
I got sauce
The haters will hate
we know Monke we know
foggy lodge
can we know the sauce monke or is it confidential
unkempt flax
Incineroar is kinda just a go to
Real. Can I send a pic of the 3 ideas I have. I am expecting heavy criticism, but this stuff has been slapping on ladder.
I’d send a Pokepaste, but I ain’t home rn and just want some suggestions so I can think of ideas once I get home
The top one is the one I’ve been using
solid frigate
Whats with mandibuzz-
torn parrot
i solved the ursaluna problem yayy
solid frigate
yey
solid frigate
can we know the sauce monke or is it confidential
i don't think we can lol
bold geode
Second one would slap without Palafin tbh
bold geode
can we know the sauce monke or is it confidential
I've told some the sauce
But I no give out to everyone
But it cookin
solid frigate
just run Primarina or any other mon like Dengo
foggy lodge
I've told some the sauce
But I no give out to everyone
But it cookin
Fair enough
i tried to cook with Roaring Moon Zac
didn't convinced me so i used MiraiHearthflame lol
iron valley
Yeah what's the set on the Mandibuzz? I'm super curious
bold geode
I see Zacian and Zamazenta teams potentially looking a bit similar if you don't go with the Grant Weldon approach
unkempt flax
Give me a bit to type this lol. I’ve re worded it like 6 times
foggy lodge
I see Zacian and Zamazenta teams potentially looking a bit similar if you don't ...
Like balance Chien-Pao Rilla?
pallid hare
I hear talk of sauce, is it honey barbeque?
solid frigate
Like balance Chien-Pao Rilla?
its literally just Chien Torn,Rilla Ogerpon/Entei,Shifu
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Chien Rilla Ursh Zac Entei +1 is a good theory
unkempt flax
Bulky tailwind setter, psy spam answer, foul play hits a lot of things hard here, snarl support ect
foggy lodge
uhhh i found a priority spam + Zamazenta team
solid frigate
uhhh i found a priority spam + Zamazenta team
Pls god no.
foggy lodge
I want to play it too priority spam is what i used during reg F
let's get walled by Farigiraf
unkempt flax
I am actually using misty terrain weezing with misty seed in mandibuzz, and it just slaps.
Idk why, but using double terrain has been working for me just like it did in 2017
bold geode
Raging Bolt or Lando I as a 6th for what I mentioned could be a thing maybe
foggy lodge
solid frigate
let's get walled by Farigiraf
unkempt flax
Also 252hp 100def bold tanks adamant banded 252attack in rain wave crash from Basc
pallid hare
https://tenor.com/view/farigiraf-pokemon-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-cry-pokemon-...
even farigriaf doesnt want to be walled by farigiraf
unkempt flax
And by tank I literally mean lives on 1% high roll
iron valley
I am actually using misty terrain weezing with misty seed in mandibuzz, and it j...
Nice, I'm a big believer in misty surge weezing honestly!
unkempt flax
Nice, I'm a big believer in misty surge weezing honestly!
I am too. This Mandibuzz weezing combo I am doing carried me all the way past 1400elo in BO3 on showdown
solid frigate
even farigriaf doesnt want to be walled by farigiraf
exactly
craggy dagger
does psychic terrain/armor tail block prankster leech seed?
iron valley
it should
bold geode
It should
It's a targeted move
solid frigate
Nice, I'm a big believer in misty surge weezing honestly!
I'm trying that with Zacian next Reg Lmao
craggy dagger
It should
It's a targeted move
foggy lodge
you know
iron valley
I'm trying that with Zacian next Reg Lmao
hell yeah! Its funny, now that Zacian isn't #1 best pokemon I actually really like it in scarlet/violet
What can I say. I like to root for the underdog
unkempt flax
Second one would slap without Palafin tbh
I’ll test it out when I get home. It was just an idea
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<a:TohruThumbsUp:744282313197879317>
Also hai bestie
craggy dagger
hell yeah! Its funny, now that Zacian isn't #1 best pokemon I actually really li...
Zacian’s got potential-
intimidate isn’t helping though :((
that and sandsear storms everywhere-
foggy lodge
Mist gg
iron valley
Right, and clear amulet isn't an option for him ;-;
bold geode
And fuck I'm out in my car gotta go back inside in a moment and it's raining 
craggy dagger
Right, and clear amulet isn't an option for him ;-;
technically….
solid frigate
Zacian’s got potential-
intimidate isn’t helping though :((
i think it could still work in some way
Coaching anyone?
solid frigate
that and sandsear storms everywhere-
Me with Latios:
craggy dagger
i think it could still work in some way
Coaching anyone?
mist suicine
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that and sandsear storms everywhere-
If I use Lando I ever, I'm running Scarf and instead of Sandsear I'm just going Ghost Tera Blast
foggy lodge
Incineroar has fallen in usage tho so it can help Zacian
craggy dagger
tailwind mist suicune
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Make a CSR quake in their boots
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
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Incineroar has fallen in usage tho so it can help Zacian
It's still prevalent enough, but it did underperform a bit
Incineroar actually does have a bit of a harder time with all those Clear Amulets running around
foggy lodge
Someone at LA used Zacian with Suicune mist
craggy dagger
snarl protect mist tailwind lefties suicune is nice
iron valley
Cute Sword dog and cute ice cat
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I MISSED ZACIAN TALK
Get fucked bitch
craggy dagger
Someone at LA used Zacian with Suicune mist
used suicine for another team not zacian
craggy dagger
I MISSED ZACIAN TALK
still going dw dw
solid frigate
If I use Lando I ever, I'm running Scarf and instead of Sandsear I'm just going ...
the fact that Me,Lyco and Creph made a Kyogre Team and we use Scarf Lando I before even talked that much-
foggy lodge
Cute Sword dog and cute ice cat
i always thought it was ice until like 2 years ago
molten oasis
Pao Shifu Zac is solid
iron valley
Oh yeah I guess its a water cat, technically
craggy dagger
Pao Shifu Zac is solid
true true
cyan smelt
so's pao shifu zama
solid frigate
Pao Shifu Zac is solid
Where's your Pult lmao
craggy dagger
i’ll def try to make zacian teams 
molten oasis
Where's your Pult lmao
It was a theory
iron valley
I wish Reg G had Xerneas and Yveltal
craggy dagger
nope nope
iron valley
those are some of my favorite legendaries
foggy lodge
Yveltal would have been cool but Yveltal in the game means Xerneas is also in the game
craggy dagger
geomancy is gon be annoying-
copycat on a legendary + geomancy smeargle
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My one attempt at Zacian team
Was a jank ass dual weather team
foggy lodge
Upgraded Goltres
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tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
molten oasis
My one attempt at Zacian team
Was a jank ass dual weather team
🫵
I mean wake’s good with zacian too
craggy dagger
My one attempt at Zacian team
Was a jank ass dual weather team
oh i remember that
molten oasis
But dual weather seemed so clunky lol
craggy dagger
i tried mist pao 
molten oasis
molten oasis
Drago YOU LITERALLY HAVE A OHKO BUTTON AGAINST XERN
Tera ground
I die, Tera steel, I can’t hurt it
craggy dagger
Drago YOU LITERALLY HAVE A OHKO BUTTON AGAINST XERN
it outspeeds
solid frigate
it outspeeds
Xern Outspeeds Zacian???
molten oasis
Shifu can’t do shit after it sets up
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
molten oasis
Xern Outspeeds Zacian???
After the boosts bro
craggy dagger
Xern Outspeeds Zacian???
at +2?
yeah
molten oasis
Dum dum
craggy dagger
follow me/redirection exists
molten oasis
I think Zac is best with pao
Not even shifu (it’s second) I just think pao does so much for it
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https://pokepast.es/677932bb7d592543
Last version of it lol
solid frigate
no to mention you have counter play
I will not die until everyone understands that Xern has Counterplay
molten oasis
and then pao shifu broken lol
molten oasis
no to mention you have counter play
I will not die until everyone understands t...
I know it does
It would still be broken with Tera
It’s issues were that it lacked coverage, guess what Tera does
iron valley
That's probably true. I just like the sparkly deer tbh
foggy lodge
i mean i don't think it lacks coverage
solid frigate
I'd be using Tera Fire if i was Xern
iron valley
And Yveltal is really cool too
molten oasis
i mean i don't think it lacks coverage
Xern only uses fairy moves cuz it really only needs those
But, it makes its life easier to Tera ground Tera blast your steel type away
foggy lodge
I remember that Xerneas used just Moonblast + Dazzling Geomancy and Protect
solid frigate
i mean i don't think it lacks coverage
it does lack
Most of the Sets are DGleam and Moon blast
foggy lodge
Because you deal so much damage with your stabs that coverage is not even necessary lmao
solid frigate
and yes i run into Specs Xern Before cuz idk why
molten oasis
So sure zacian would be a good check for it but it can Tera out of its typing making zacian’s life miserable
craggy dagger
i mean even then
xerneas wasn’t too popular in swsh-
at least-
during double restrictrds
foggy lodge
like i remember a clip of Xerneas letting a Crobat in sash
molten oasis
i mean even then
xerneas wasn’t too popular in swsh-
at least-
during double res...
The dog was turbo busted
solid frigate
i mean even then
xerneas wasn’t too popular in swsh-
at least-
during double res...
because Dynamax-
molten oasis
That’s why it didn’t get to play the game lol
craggy dagger
gen 7 didn’t have an abundance of them either though-
at least that’s what i remember
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Funny enough
A Weather Ball in the Sun from the Raging Bolt on the dual weather team would almost OHKO Zamazenta lmao
foggy lodge
Xerneas was good in series 6 i think? Because they banned dinamax in that format lol
craggy dagger
Funny enough
A Weather Ball in the Sun from the Raging Bolt on the dual weather...
there’s a calc that can ohko zama if not properly invested
molten oasis
Xerneas was good in series 6 i think? Because they banned dinamax in that format...
Again, dog but probably yes
craggy dagger
kind of a hot take but i liked dyna as a battle gimmick
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The WG sets don't focus a lot in Spdef so like
Hell if I went Tera Fire I DEFINITELY could pick it up
craggy dagger
The WG sets don't focus a lot in Spdef so like
Hell if I went Tera Fire I DEFINI...
without tera-
i think
foggy lodge
The WG sets don't focus a lot in Spdef so like
Hell if I went Tera Fire I DEFINI...
wide guard?
craggy dagger
it’s a really odd spread
solid frigate
Funny enough
A Weather Ball in the Sun from the Raging Bolt on the dual weather...
252 SpA Quark Drive Tera-Ground Iron Crown Tera Blast vs. 100 HP / 4 SpD Zamazenta-Crowned: 128-152 (71.1 - 84.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Me coping at my 84%
foggy lodge
Do you kill my Zama set? Lol
craggy dagger
252 SpA Quark Drive Tera-Ground Iron Crown Tera Blast vs. 100 HP / 4 SpD Zamaze...
what matters is you can ohko ice rider
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But the idea was at first I had Chi Yu in Bolt spot and I'd lead Chi Yu and have Ursh in the back
And if Chi Yu in Sun went down I'd just flip it to Rain and do that with Ursh lmao
craggy dagger
foggy lodge
Zamazenta-Crowned @ Rusted Shield
Ability: Dauntless Shield
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 196 HP / 4 Atk / 132 Def / 60 SpD / 116 Spe
Impish Nature
- Body Press
- Heavy Slam
- Wide Guard
- Protect
that was my set when i used it
craggy dagger
but you needed your tornadus to be alive lol
solid frigate
what matters is you can ohko ice rider
252 SpA Expert Belt Quark Drive Tera-Ground Iron Crown Tera Blast vs. 100 HP / 4 SpD Zamazenta-Crowned: 154-182 (85.5 - 101.1%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO
NEVER MIND IT DOES OHKO
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I had the option to go slow and setup Zacian with SD but most the time Zacian would just come in after Chi Yu and Ursh went ham and just do clean up
craggy dagger
252 SpA Expert Belt Quark Drive Tera-Ground Iron Crown Tera Blast vs. 100 HP / ...
no zama is running 4spdef-?
at least from my experience 
also 12.5% is kinda
bad
foggy lodge
nah optimized Zamas would never run that
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252 SpA Expert Belt Quark Drive Tera-Ground Iron Crown Tera Blast vs. 100 HP / ...
How tf the calc change
solid frigate
tbf i don't need Iron Crown cuz Hands Drain Punch solos-
foggy lodge
some go speedy tho
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at least from my experience <:YangyangStare:979671291495849984>
Taiwan Nats winner did
foggy lodge
My Zamazenta outspeeds Adamant Ogerpon
solid frigate
How tf the calc change
One Simple Expert Belt
thats the thing that can make it OHKO
foggy lodge
And i think Michael's team does too because i remember it outspeeding a Ogerpon in stresm
solid frigate
but tbf,this is the only thing i need
252 SpA Expert Belt Quark Drive Tera-Ground Iron Crown Tachyon Cutter (2 hits) vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Calyrex-Ice Rider: 202-244 (97.5 - 117.8%) -- 93.75% chance to OHKO
foggy lodge
sure
molten oasis
Sd Zac with follow me pon and pao to boost damage further
solid frigate
I wonder if pon pao Zac would be good
it should be good?
foggy lodge
i mean its 3 regular mons that compliment each other and you have follow me
craggy dagger
Zamazenta-Crowned @ Rusted Shield
Ability: Dauntless Shield
Level: 50
Shin...
nevermind
92+ SpA Protosynthesis Raging Bolt Weather Ball (100 BP Fire) vs. 196 HP / 60 SpD Zamazenta-Crowned in Sun: 164-194 (85.4 - 101%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO
foggy lodge
I miss Ogerpon i need my role compression
foggy lodge
nevermind
92+ SpA Protosynthesis Raging Bolt Weather Ball (100 BP Fire) vs. 196...
decent
Tera stellar Bolt fuck it
craggy dagger
lmao
solid frigate
252 SpA Expert Belt Quark Drive Tera-Ground Iron Crown Tera Blast vs. 196 HP / 60 SpD Zamazenta-Crowned: 146-175 (76 - 91.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
That still did Chonky amount of Damage-
foggy lodge
i mean i think the ground weakness is not thaaaast big of a deal
Poison Raging Bolt was used
solid frigate
fireball bolt <:YangyangStare:979671291495849984>
Bolt just trying to do the Fire Mario moment
molten oasis
I miss Ogerpon i need my role compression
Frfr
solid frigate
Poison Raging Bolt was used
tell me that is from Japan-
foggy lodge
No its spain lmao
solid frigate
even worse=
cyan smelt
wasn't bug tera bolt also used
craggy dagger
i mean i think the ground weakness is not thaaaast big of a deal
it was near the end when people started to pick up lando more often for mirai
craggy dagger
wasn't bug tera bolt also used
yeah
tera bug is a nice type
i know a couple iron hands ran it in worlds 2023-2024
solid frigate
and it won worlds soooo
PROFIT
foggy lodge
I believe in tera bug supremacy
craggy dagger
i still wanna run shadow rider 
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Tera Bug moment
craggy dagger
never got the chance to but i have a weird build for it
foggy lodge
It specially works with Bolt imo because gives you ground resistance without being to weak to ice for Caly-I match up
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I did some calcs with that Iron Hands that Luca used and the calcs is insane
craggy dagger
It specially works with Bolt imo because gives you ground resistance without bei...
true
solid frigate
I did some calcs with that Iron Hands that Luca used and the calcs is insane
i think i stole the EVs
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Like unless they go Miraidon Ogerpon, that Iron Hands actually can basically live a double up from almost everything Luca has himself
With tera it can live a Tera Fairy D Gleam + Surging Strikes double up
craggy dagger
Like unless they go Miraidon Ogerpon, that Iron Hands actually can basically liv...
what the fuck-
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Also my autocorrect wanted to keep going Surging Strokes
Damn my brainrot
solid frigate
LMAO
foggy lodge
my autocorrect with scale shot
craggy dagger
cloak puff the shadow rider
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Next it gonna correct to Rillagoon
foggy lodge
scale shit
solid frigate
scale shit
Lol
near crag
Hey, does anyone have good spreads for ursaluna bm and talonflame? I was transfering a team to SC but I noticed two 252/252/4 spreads, and for mons like those, I feel like it should be a little more nuanced
solid frigate
cloak puff the shadow rider <:YangyangStare:979671291495849984>
oh god not tha-
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@molten oasis still has the best autocorrect moment ever
The one time where he had to and I quote
"Work an 8 hour Shifu"
solid frigate
<@465881273454559252> still has the best autocorrect moment ever
The one time w...
PFFT
craggy dagger
Hey, does anyone have good spreads for ursaluna bm and talonflame? I was transfe...
talon kinda just runs max speed max attack sash
blursa has a bunch of spreads so idk about that one
foggy lodge
Hey, does anyone have good spreads for ursaluna bm and talonflame? I was transfe...
Blursa in tailwind usually uses 252 252 so i think its fine
molten oasis
<@465881273454559252> still has the best autocorrect moment ever
The one time w...
Lmao yea that was pretty funny
foggy lodge
And Talonflame p much the same, maybe optimize it a bit dropping some Speed because i think it doesn't outspeed anything important but overall is not very important
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I gotta break thru Protect for 8 hours straight, this job is fuckin CRAZY
craggy dagger
i’m still happy about my suicune spread-
can take a 116+ terrain boosted wood hammer on a roll
foggy lodge
im goma tera grass choice band grassy glide you
craggy dagger
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/d17324c5ea6e97a5 like, this seems really solid
solid frigate
I gotta break thru Protect for 8 hours straight, this job is fuckin CRAZY
the Shifu co work
foggy lodge
waterpon?
foggy lodge
I thought you were going to use rock
molten oasis
It covers for Zac’s weaknesses the best
Resists ground neutral to fire which is fine
foggy lodge
Makes sense, hits fire and neutral for steel
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https://pokepast.es/d17324c5ea6e97a5 like, this seems really solid
What the Oger do?
molten oasis
Hits fire and ground for SE
solid frigate
Water Pon is basically Water Shifu But Minus that Protect Bypass and it has Follow Me
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Meant EV wise
molten oasis
Meant EV wise
Outspeeds lando, kinda forgot what the bulk did, attack dump
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Ah
Can't you outspeed Lando with less?
foggy lodge
Evs look fine i think used almost the same spread of Waterpon
molten oasis
Ideally I want it bulkier so it can help with the stupid horse
molten oasis
Oh it’s max
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So are we just throwing around sauce now lmao
solid frigate
Just 252 HP and 172 in speed
252/76/28/12/172
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Fine
Guess I COULD show my shit
Already shown half the people in here anyways
Only OTS tho
Mainly cuz spreads need work
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/d17324c5ea6e97a5 big brain moment
Go 170 for other ogerpons outspeeding lando
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Zacian is quite good into that team if the dog is dead
Why my bitch ass is using Reflect and Hands to bonk yo bitch ass
molten oasis
Why my bitch ass is using Reflect and Hands to bonk yo bitch ass
I still do good damage
foggy lodge
Go 170 for other ogerpons outspeeding lando
yes waterpon is good into the rest of the Ogerpon if they don't tera
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How heavy yo fuckin dog
molten oasis
I eat a low kick
cyan smelt
is there any point running sacred sword on pao
bold geode
Nuh Uh
molten oasis
is there any point running sacred sword on pao
Yea, but I like throat chop for caly’s
cyan smelt
i have throat chop
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is there any point running sacred sword on pao
If you have enough for CSR you can
I just don't wanna have to rely on Sucker for CSR
Anyways guys
Have fun trying to eat boosted Dragon Ascents
solid frigate
Anyways guys
Have fun trying to eat boosted Dragon Ascents
moment
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Oh you think you can use Koraidon and Tera Fire to get around that
Nah
Tera Water Ivy Cudgel in Air Lock bitch
foggy lodge
How well does it do into Raging Bolt
cyan smelt
u really like rayquaza
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How well does it do into Raging Bolt
Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhh
foggy lodge
Raging Bolt lowkey the real restricted in Koraidon teams
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/d17324c5ea6e97a5 what could I add to this?
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Raging Bolt is heavy enough
molten oasis
Oh bolt
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Hands is goated
molten oasis
Is an option, I forgot bolt exists
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Next question plz
foggy lodge
Tornadus Raging yes
solid frigate
Miraidon+Fari moment
foggy lodge
Id go AV Raging because yes Miraidon cooks you
And Urshifu dark maybe?
Pressures the shit out of both Calyrex
solid frigate
Id go AV Raging because yes Miraidon cooks you
thats what i run for my pagos team before
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u really like rayquaza
I do
But I want you to do me a favor
I want you to look at the top 3 Worlds teams and tell me how many mons can comfortably take a Dragon Ascent in general
foggy lodge
Gholdengo and Dondozo actually lol
next stump
Twitter
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Ok lemme list the ones that can't
From Lucas's
Ogerpon, Urshifu, Whimsicott
From Yuta
Amoongus, Urshifu, Valiant, probably Peli and/or Lando I would rather not
From MDB
Ursh, Rilla, and Flutter
Realistically, at least half of the mons from the 3 teams don't like Dragon Ascent
My point is Flying type damage is EXTREMELY good if you think about it, problem is there's not many consistent options for it...
UNLESS
Not only that, but Koraidon teams can hit really hard and Kyogre is pretty solid, so being able to say "ok no boosts for you"is good too
Problem is Rayquaza LOVES setup a lot, so much it kinda needs to
So I just built around that fact
Now the one question later is do I want to really lean into it and only do 1st attack bump or do 2nd so it can still attack first
mighty stump
Rayquaza when Caly-Ice
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Don't remind me
mighty stump
Rayquaza when Ice Beam
cyan smelt
rayquaza when meteor beam
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I'm planning around that MU
Hopefully Entei Hands Oger Grimm can take the Caly I MU
mighty stump
Ehhh
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rayquaza when meteor beam
Meteor Beam Rayquaza is fake AF
foggy lodge
Twitter
cyan smelt
no i'm saying ray taking a meteor beam
mighty stump
I'm planning around that MU
Hopefully Entei Hands Oger Grimm can take the Caly I...
Entei Iron Hands when HHP Caly-I
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Entei Iron Hands when HHP Caly-I
Me when Tera Bug Hands just goes yoink
Tofu that Hands Luca ran can live a Tera Fairy D Gleam + Surging Strikes double up with tera
Also don't remind me with Ice Beam
Already had that moment
Deadass just left my Rayquaza sitting out naked AF in front of a Kyogre without even thinking "this mfer could use Ice Beam"
cyan smelt
why did you bring ray against kyogre
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It's actually not that bad against it
You turn off Rain effects
cyan smelt
ray doesn't like rockpon
solid frigate
Rayquaza when Freeze Dry
Rayquaza When Blizzard
Rayquaza when Rock Ivy Cudgel
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We're figuring out our MUs ok
solid frigate
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Y'all doubt the sauce now, but wait till it sauces
cyan smelt
u need heavy slam on hands
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For?
solid frigate
Flutter?
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All the other moves are too valuable so uh
mighty stump
Tofu that Hands Luca ran can live a Tera Fairy D Gleam + Surging Strikes double ...
Mine lives Gleam/Heat Wave bro from Mane Chi with no Tera pls
Modest Specs on either or
cyan smelt
rayquaza when terapagos
solid frigate
wait nvm Wild Charge should OHKO Flutter Normally
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Mine lives Gleam/Heat Wave bro from Mane Chi with no Tera pls
I don't see a murderous bike with that
mighty stump
Y'all doubt the sauce now, but wait till it sauces
“Who made a Rayquaza team?”
🙋♂️
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“Who made a Rayquaza team?”
🙋♂️
Trust the process
mighty stump
I don't see a murderous bike with that
I live 2 Specs Draco if you’re wondering
solid frigate
rayquaza when terapagos
PFFT I FORGOT STELLAR FORM STILL TANKS IT WELL LOL
Then again Hands can take care of that
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Hands + a Light Screen makes Terapagos sad probably
solid frigate
Hands + a Light Screen makes Terapagos sad probably
yep.
cyan smelt
i think i should change zama's tera to bug specifically for low kick
it also doesn't like ground moves so maybe tera bug is good
cyan smelt
dragon does help with kyogre too which is nice
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Also Tera Bug being nice is cool
I remember running Tera Bug Heatran
solid frigate
I C E B E A M
cyan smelt
i have rilla on my team
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From what?
cyan smelt
ogre
solid frigate
tbf idk if Kyogre still runs Ice Beam For NOT AV and Specs Set
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I got Ogerpon + Hands too
cyan smelt
no i'm talking bout zama
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Lemme have my fun okay
Not saying Rayquaza is the best but it's a better team than my last fucking endeavor
dense latch
i tried pao rayquaza as a joke when i got tired of reg g
solid frigate
Incin Wisp Fodder
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My last Rayquaza attempt was pure ass, though I still posted it and it's one of my most popular team reports, just being beat out by my Infernape one
But I didn't work on it further cuz some developments got to me around that time
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The one viable Ray team combo is 4 physical attackers and I’m concerned
Aw fuck I totally forgot about Incineroar
solid frigate
Aw fuck I totally forgot about Incineroar
how did you
Ya know what nvm
bold geode
Actually Tofu lemme DM you something real quick
mighty stump
Might not reply I’m heading into work
molten oasis
Actually maybe dark shifu over incin, lando
And like, bolt or smth
https://pokepast.es/3134a78e3caef583 ik the bolt sets not optimal I lost all my av bolts lol
dense latch
my opponent just told me i make weird plays and idk if that’s a compliment or an insult
foggy lodge
lol
Did you win
one time someone was flabbergasted because i used overheat + parting shot to activate intimidate again let Inci faint to sand and reactivate sun
bro discovered pivot
near crag
And Talonflame p much the same, maybe optimize it a bit dropping some Speed beca...
Do any of you have a gholdengo spread? Mine's kinda old, and seems suboptimal. (it's 60, -, 4, 244+, 4, 196, btw)
foggy lodge
Depends on item
near crag
leftovers
solid frigate
im running roar tera grass focus sash grass ninetales 🐇
the amount of words that Make Drago Mad is insane lmao
torn parrot
lmao
foggy lodge
leftovers
uhhh
I don't think i have a lefties dengo
Probably more bulk and Sp.Atk than speed
near crag
I don't think i have a lefties dengo
Is leftovers bad tho? I just rly chose it to justify running protect and nasty plot, should I not?
solid frigate
Is leftovers bad tho? I just rly chose it to justify running protect and nasty p...
just run STAB+Nasty Plot+Protect
Lefties is alr but i'd prefer Metal Coat
near crag
Then do you have EVs for a metal coat gholdengo?
solid frigate
its a old EV
Gholdengo @ Life Orb
Ability: Good as Gold
Level: 50
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 212 HP / 52 Def / 100 SpA / 36 SpD / 108 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Make It Rain
- Shadow Ball
- Nasty Plot
- Protect
Swap Lorb for Metal Coat its alright
near crag
Does gholdengo or ursaluna benefit more from lorb, in your opinions?
dense latch
i think
next stump
ursaluna bloodmoon?
near crag
yea
dense latch
Does gholdengo or ursaluna benefit more from lorb, in your opinions?
what’s the team
if you have AV available av blursa might be worth considering
next stump
ursaluna benefits more IMO
dense latch
dengo can run several items pretty well
cyan smelt
why is every team countering rain all of a sudden
near crag
https://pokepast.es/e1ab7cfb6ad6cabd I switched ursalunas evs to 252 252 modest
dense latch
while ursa only rly has av and lorb
dense latch
https://pokepast.es/e1ab7cfb6ad6cabd I switched ursalunas evs to 252 252 modest
that dnite set looks very outdated imo
imo the loaded dice set is much better
alongside coaching
dense latch
latam legend gone soon damn
near crag
imo the loaded dice set is much better
It just feels too one dimensional, one dragon type attack and that's that, av just gives some vauable bulk imo
dense latch
multiscale gives you that bulk + there’s room for espeed and tantrum
near crag
but then incin shuts him down
foggy lodge
nah
dense latch
that dragonite is just gonna die to any other dragon in the format
foggy lodge
You have Farigiraf for priority to block FO and you can deal with intimidate
Multiscale has been p much better trough this regulation, you don't really need the "inmediate offense" dnite
dense latch
you usually want coaching with dice dnite anyways so you can remove those intims
foggy lodge
I think loaded dice is better indeed, when i used Dnite sometimes it felt it wasn't doing that much
cyan smelt
why is every team countering rain now
near crag
Than, ant loaded dice evs for dnite?
dense latch
bc rain is the strongest team in the format
foggy lodge
Than, ant loaded dice evs for dnite?
I have a set i think
foggy lodge
Let me search it, im sure mine lives A9 Blizzard
dense latch
but you dont wanna lose speed ties
foggy lodge
Dragonite (M) @ Loaded Dice
Ability: Multiscale
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 164 HP / 204 Atk / 12 Def / 20 SpD / 100 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Scale Shot
- Protect
- Haze
- Extreme Speed
This one outspeeds Chomp after at +1
near crag
Dragonite (M) @ Loaded Dice
Ability: Multiscale
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy...
haze? why not some coverage, like stomping tantrum, or ice spinner?
foggy lodge
Dondozo
foggy lodge
And set up in general, i think coverage is not necessary
cyan smelt
i hate this format, i can't win with anything
dense latch
coaching boosts, sd, nasty plot
if your team is super dengo weak you mighttt like stomping
but atp just change the other pokemon
foggy lodge
Extreme speed already picks up the KOs it needs
foggy lodge
if your team is super dengo weak you mighttt like stomping
^
But in the team i use i don't have many problems
I have Incineroar, Gastrodon, Volcarona and HHP Rilla
solid frigate
i hate this format, i can't win with anything
good the fucking luck cuz wait for 12 more days about Reg G coming back
foggy lodge
i don't think they are implementing reg G ladder in december
Or maybe idk
I mean in Showdown, i know the reg G comes back in january
solid frigate
i don't think they are implementing reg G ladder in december
idk i really need practice
foggy lodge
idk i really need practice
would you like to practice after some weeks
i'll have a lot of more free time, im ending exams in like a week
solid frigate
i'll have a lot of more free time, im ending exams in like a week
probably
If i can balance my End Term Exam with Practice VGC
next stump
I bet they’ll post the ladder at the end of november
they usually do, and this one is probably even easier since I bet they just save the rulesets
solid frigate
yea
near crag
gonna try those out, so just a last thing, would a good item distribution for dnite, dengo, and bmursa be dice, lorb, and vest, or would switching vest and lorb for dengo and bmursaluna be better?
solid frigate
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foggy lodge
gonna try those out, so just a last thing, would a good item distribution for dn...
AV Blursa?
near crag
maybe
foggy lodge
Yeah i think the Dengo Blursa Dnite combo is broken
It has been very popular and consistently worked
near crag
It has been very popular and consistently worked
Did it? kinda built this day one and not played since bc of my exams
cyan smelt
i hate this format
solid frigate
i hate this format
how does Reg H done to a Mf
misty helm
What’s the next format look like exactly
solid frigate
What’s the next format look like exactly
Reg G
misty helm
And what are the regulations
solid frigate
And what are the regulations
its literally the regulation we play in May- August for Jan to Apr
rn its Reg H
near crag
i hate this format
I'll be the reg h guardian here, you can ladder up even with gimmick teams this reg, everything is playable. High power metas overcentralize teams, and unviablilize most non balance/tr/tailwind teams
foggy lodge
i mean
solid frigate
are you fucking sure about this lol
Its not Splatoon 3
foggy lodge
this reg p much the same-
solid frigate
this reg p much the same-
its just smaller mon
foggy lodge
p much
I've learned to not hate it i think it's fine but i think it has some dumb things
solid frigate
yeah
foggy lodge
Like Archaludon or Sneasler
solid frigate
Archaludon is fine
its just Sneasler Feels Overtuned a lot when designing the Mon's Move
foggy lodge
Archaludon is fine
It's not that is super ultra giga broken but is like
It feels overtuned
A mon with 130 Defense 125 SpA and an ability that boosts his defensa while having a move that obliterates things while giving him a +1 SpA is NOT balanced
In a pool with mons that are usually more frail or less offensive
dense latch
they did not need to make electro shot that good
dense latch
yeah it doesnt
solid frigate
at least its Not STAB in Base Typing
Otherwise I'm calling it quits
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
dense latch
meteor beam is 120 and 90 acc
torn parrot
its crazy how much that how your feeling can affect how well your play
dense latch
for reference
foggy lodge
at least its Not STAB in Base Typing
Otherwise I'm calling it quits
+1 in SpA is p much the same xd
torn parrot
and you dont even notice
solid frigate
+1 in SpA is p much the same xd
but you don't want it to be STAB+ 1 right?
Thats the main problem lol
dense latch
the move would still be good without the sp atk boost is what’s crazy
it’d just be a better solar beam
cyan smelt
i hate this format so much
solid frigate
but tbf Archaludon is kinda one of the reason why i wanna try VGC
Its just that GOOD.
foggy lodge
i mean its exclusive to a mon that doesn't has stab on it but
1- You PURPOSEFULLY put that move in a gen that's gimmick is that you can have a third STAB
2- +1 is p much the same as STAB on it, 50% boost
3- its BP is even higher than most 1 turn charge moves
dense latch
volc is really fucking good chat
solid frigate
i mean its exclusive to a mon that doesn't has stab on it but
1- You PURPOSEFULL...
at least Archaludon is gonna rest after Reg H is over
foggy lodge
Yeah
solid frigate
cuz Reg G its not good even in Kyogre Teams
foggy lodge
i saw it in Kyogre teams a bit but i don't think its that good
the only result i found of it was like NAIC day 2 but it didn't even make it to top 32
torn parrot
volc is really fucking good chat
holy fuck nice job
foggy lodge
volc is really fucking good chat
nice dude
dense latch
i used arch at the beginning of reg g iirc
foggy lodge
I'm running Volc rn
dense latch
thanks
foggy lodge
Leftovers tera fairy tera blast
dense latch
this is the furthest i’ve ever gotten on ladder
solid frigate
yeah thats just shows Reg G Proves that Arch can't survive when Regulation that allows powerful Boxart
dense latch
i started using renzo navarro’s laic team yesterday and it clicked
love at first sight type shit
foggy lodge
yeah thats just shows Reg G Proves that Arch can't survive when Regulation that ...
i mean it makes sense that it falls when the best sacred sword in the game is not Gallade-
solid frigate
i mean it makes sense that it falls when the best sacred sword in the game is no...
Pao moment
foggy lodge
im also p sure Body press + sword of ruin kills it even at +1
dense latch
goated in gen 9
cyan smelt
i'm losing every goddamn game
foggy lodge
Yeah playing tilted or tired its not good
dense latch
playing more isn’t gonna make it better when you’re on a losing streak i promise
solid frigate
i'll hard Focus on Miraidon while Side Mission on Improving Terapagos Comp in Wave 2
cyan smelt
why can't i just have some success
solid frigate
God i love Special Attacking Restricteds
dense latch
God i love Special Attacking Restricteds
having an item slot is great
i think im gonna try zama balance
solid frigate
having an item slot is great
nah its not like that
I am not a Calyrex Stan
foggy lodge
most funny part of reg G coming back is i will probably hear someone that said that Sneasler is more broken than Urshifu say that they want reg H back
foggy lodge
i think im gonna try zama balance
Michael's team?
solid frigate
most funny part of reg G coming back is i will probably hear someone that said t...
if i see a Single Sneasler in Birmingham Regionals i'm gonna lose myself
dense latch
Michael's team?
i used his pultsneasler for a month this reg i think i’ve glazed him enough lmao
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/3134a78e3caef583 I am once again asking how this looks, on paper
dense latch
i might try something similar though
foggy lodge
i used his pultsneasler for a month this reg i think i’ve glazed him enough lmao
lol
y'know i recommend you Keanu's team
From Indianapolis or worlds, they are different
dense latch
btw maxi i dont mind the pings you dont have to turn them off
dense latch
y'know i recommend you Keanu's team
i’ll have a look
foggy lodge
Keanu used the same team as Michael in Indianapolis tho but i think its a fun team and good
foggy lodge
btw maxi i dont mind the pings you dont have to turn them off
ah don't worry, is just that i instinctively desactivate them
dense latch
lol
foggy lodge
Idk why i just do it
solid frigate
https://pokepast.es/3134a78e3caef583 I am once again asking how this looks, on p...
like that alot,Incin could be the final Slot or if you wanna be funny try Gouging Fire lol
dense latch
makes sense some ppl dont rly like getting pinged