competitive_discussion

[bold geode]

Sun still has to wait to win an event

[chrome knot]

protect ursa and you win, thats all

[patent marsh]

great game overall

[worthy lark]

Marco should of won game 2 idk why he brought in torkal for ursaluna instead of zard

[patent marsh]

the game 2

snowballed cause of the confusion

if the confusion didn't happen the kingambit would've died

and it would've locked in his win

[worthy lark]

If he switch in torkal for zard and headlong rushed kg he would won too. A fire weather ball ain't going to do shit against ur luna

[foggy lodge]

i think the play was headlong tera blast when electabuzz came lol

Or protect ursa, or switch it out

[patent marsh]

yea

game 2 I think everyone wondered why he did that

after the confusion fumble

[bold geode]

Anyways

WOOOOOOOOOOOO
ELECTABUZZ AND RILLABOOM WON AN EVENT FINALLY, I'M VALIDATED

[foggy lodge]

Loaded dice rilla won

lmao

[solid frigate]

Rillaboom finally won somehing

we ballin

[unique quarry]

Anyone know what I can charge to make this better for online battling?

[craggy dagger]

WAIT LEAFEON W??

[spiral ridge]

Was it?

[solid frigate]

Rillaboom won so maybe not

[craggy dagger]

just a small spain local but still
Leafeon W

[solid frigate]

oh

[craggy dagger]

https://youtu.be/NJVcr7J0WSs?si=K-8eVkYVKE3FwGXX

[spiral ridge]

Oh sweet

[torn parrot]

Was a dedene W

[tiny karma]

Move: Stomping Tantrum

Power doubles if the user's last move on the previous turn, including moves called by other moves or those used through Instruct, Magic Coat, Snatch, or the Dancer or Magic Bounce Abilities, failed to do any of its normal effects, not including damage from an unsuccessful High Jump Kick, Jump Kick, or Mind Blown, or if the user was prevented from moving by any effect other than recharging or Sky Drop. A move that was blocked by Baneful Bunker, Detect, King's Shield, Protect, Spiky Shield, Crafty Shield, Mat Block, Quick Guard, or Wide Guard will not double this move's power, nor will Bounce or Fly ending early due to the effect of Gravity, Smack Down, or Thousand Arrows.

Type

Ground

Category

Physical

Power

75

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

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Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[rustic mountain]

basc/peli/arch winning 😍

[real prairie]

That single turn was the decider, he attacks instead of TR he wins I think

[real prairie]

Vgc? Because if so you probably want it to be a psyspammer

[torn parrot]

Just run sheer force tbh

Kinda sucks ass at psyspamming

[bold geode]

I love just having to go off of pictures that don't give us the info we really need

[bold geode]

Rilla and Buzz too 👀

[rustic mountain]

yeh

[solid frigate]

Also why Psyspam Braviary-

Its a Flying Type-

[bold geode]

Took 2 months and some dice for Rillaboom to get a dub

[rustic mountain]

the other 3 i do not have on my rain team but still cool seeing it win again since it hasnt since baltimore

[torn parrot]

Yeah tinted lens is not worth being required to tera in order to function

[rustic mountain]

rilla still been around but yea its been rough for it lol

[bold geode]

I imagine at +4 you probably don't even see a HP point being lost from a Bullet Seed

Into the Arch

But Electabuzz pulled a KD bro
He was supposed to beat Rain bruh

[rustic mountain]

if u cant beat em, join em

[bold geode]

It could, people just wanted Magmar more

[solid frigate]

no Psyspasm for Braviary

[rustic mountain]

if it stopped being even given the chance and its best result now is on the thing u say it was good into, what does that make it haha. like ppl abandoned it as the follow me user for a reason on most comps. u want that fire type on balance teams that buzz jus couldnt provide

[torn parrot]

I know

[bold geode]

Nah Electabuzz just better imo

Fire typing and Wisp is nice, but there's so many things Magmar gets beat up by that can't really beat up Buzz as easily
Plus sure Magmar good into Sun, but I'd rather my redirection be good into Rain cuz using Magmar means you're instantly relying on your other mons to handle it even more than usual and Rain imo is always on that fine line rn where if you give way even a little bit when it comes to respecting it you can just be trashed by it

[torn parrot]

I see them as situational brothers

[solid frigate]

again

it depends on team comps,which one do you want more and which is best suited

[torn parrot]

Exactly

[bold geode]

I mean on right team either or
There can be a case made for both
I just think Buzz better lol

[rustic mountain]

i get what ur saying but i jus feel like weve had enough into the format where if that was the case, the useage would be a lot more split. its heavily skewed in magmars favor. i think as a collective ppl jus figured out it didnt fit as well on those kind of balance comps. i dont think buzz is bad im jus saying its ironic its found a place on a comp it was originally good into.

[chrome knot]

parker simmons is at this local

[molten oasis]

What won

[solid frigate]

Rain in Gdansk

Rillaboom finally won something in Reg H

[molten oasis]

I saw bullet seed did the rilla have fucking bullet seed

[rustic mountain]

yes

[solid frigate]

[molten oasis]

…

the secret to viability is loaded dice ig

[solid frigate]

yeah this Meta is fucking weird at the slightest

[torn parrot]

I guess he found the solution to no splitting the assault vest

[solid frigate]

he could just use Miracle seed but that works

[torn parrot]

Nah

He can use bullet seed on his arch

Doo doo poopy head

https://tenor.com/view/yuuri-gif-17416729081201359957

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/silver-wolf-honkai-star-rail-hsr-silver-wolf-honkai-star-rail-gif-11552106483126507716

[rustic mountain]

[torn parrot]

Byaaaa

[torn parrot]

I should make my rillabooms faster from now on

[bold geode]

Stamina boost lol

[molten oasis]

I’m not dumb I’m why you use it

[bold geode]

Ok did I say you were?

[foggy lodge]

I just realized

Amoonguss is not in the top 12

wtf

[solid frigate]

yep just sad for our boi

[red willow]

Is running sun even worth it in current reg or is rain almost strictly better

[solid frigate]

eh still one of the better weathers

[red willow]

Gotcha gotcha I have a sun team ready to roll already for the most part but whats a good Torkoal set look like? Im torn between specs eruption alongside a hatterene or something else entirely lol

[torn parrot]

I know what a flash team would be

A team entirely dedicated to making something so fast that it outspeeds trick room

(Cus it’s funny)

[torn parrot]

Lot of Dondozos iv noticed

[foggy lodge]

Depends on the rest of the team composition

[foggy lodge]

Solo Dozo getting more usage

Its interesting fs

Clefable without redirection

[torn parrot]

Was it life orb

[foggy lodge]

what

[torn parrot]

Guess not

[foggy lodge]

Lo dozo?

[torn parrot]

Clefable

[solid frigate]

Speed Boost Blaziken(KFC)

[torn parrot]

we need to reach it

the 1888 speed stat

WE CAN DO IT AAAHHH

crap 800 off

[solid frigate]

1740 with Scarf+Tailwind

[torn parrot]

😔

[solid frigate]

if its 95 speed ;-;

then it can make it

[torn parrot]

Espathra

Can do it…

That’s all that matters

That it can!!!!!!

[solid frigate]

better than no KFC

[torn parrot]

LETS GOOO

WEVE OUTSPED TORKOAL

(after 6 turns)

[solid frigate]

basically we make +9 speed

[spiral ridge]

Wait you can break trick room?

[solid frigate]

yeah

[knotty mirage]

Is it one of the bug that if your pokemon is too fast like having +6 speed it can just bypass trick room all together and will always move first

[rustic mountain]

u should know the cycle. shroom is good-ppl prepare and respect shroom-shroom not as good nd repeat

[chrome knot]

@rustic mountain THIS TEAM IS GOD

eent to another cup in ann arbor, in finals :3

[spiral ridge]

:0

[chrome knot]

AV Gambit was what i needed

[rustic mountain]

pog, gl in finals 🫡

[real prairie]

2 turns with Agility 🙃

[real prairie]

People leaning towards the meta of "Everything has to do damage" thus ruling out our boi for a lot of people, disrespect to the shroom imo

[rocky hull]

Quick question is supreme overload or defiant better on kingambit

[rustic mountain]

nah i think ppl are in the heavily respecting shroom stage in the cycle

the shroom disrespect will be wen ppl drop safety goggles, lum berry and grass tera etc wen its not as prominent. then itll make its return to remind ppl why they needed to respect it

[tiny peak]

Is corviknight viable in singles currently?

[rustic mountain]

singles-supreme overlord vgc-defiant

[rocky hull]

Aight

[rustic mountain]

most of us here dont play singles to know that. idt its that great atm but idrk

[rocky hull]

Thx

[rustic mountain]

np

[real prairie]

Yeah it has some visibility depending on the build, works well as a set up sweeper

Has the ability to tank quite a few hits Infront of single targets

[torn parrot]

Guy very bulky

[real prairie]

Where my OP fans @

Just seen this

[tiny peak]

@real prairie I was thinking of a brave bird/roost/bulk up/body press build, maybe iron defense instead?

[real prairie]

bulk up probably better incase you come up against a ghost type you are a little walled

[torn parrot]

it would be more accurate if there was a donut pokemon

[real prairie]

also feel infernape is probably a better fit, although he isnt a Monkey D.

but "fire fist" ace

[rustic mountain]

too soon

cool tattoo

[real prairie]

Only been 13 years

[rustic mountain]

not for me and also doesnt matter

[fringe oar]

what's a good volcarona set

[torn parrot]

i like peanut butter

[bold geode]

That set's a little weird

[chrome knot]

+40 from another cup, got 2nd ^-^

[spiral ridge]

great job love

[chrome knot]

i chokedddd but it okie

[spiral ridge]

you still did amazing

[chrome knot]

kinda hard vs a team you only saw on stream today

that charizard shit is no joke

[torn parrot]

Can we keep event roles forever

[spiral ridge]

badge but not color i think

well heres the proof 😭

[torn parrot]

):

[molten oasis]

That stupid pair of fish is in top 12 boo

[solid frigate]

while waiting for Reg H to be over i'm gonna do a character run

in Scarlet

[crystal pecan]

is sceptile viable?

[real prairie]

meh, usable maybe

not competitive related but the state of these Captcha by Steam...

[solid frigate]

lol

[real prairie]

Tell me, do i press the top right square or nah? lol

[solid frigate]

LMAO

[spiral ridge]

Either will likely be fine

They check it with humans and so some tiles are %

[solid frigate]

mine is not VGC or Comp related but idk what other 4 mons i'm gonna pick for my character run

cuz yes I'm into the limit of playing reg H games

[real prairie]

character run?

which character lol

[solid frigate]

yeah but its not a Pokemon Character

[real prairie]

oh right

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/firefly-chibi-hsr-so-true-bestie-nod-gif-164675154479531230

[real prairie]

Sorry going to need to provide me a little more detail

who is that 🤣

[solid frigate]

Firefly from Honkai Star Rail,bit of a Context,she is the character run for my scarlet playthrough(I played Through Violet 2 years ago)

[real prairie]

quite fun seeing all the errors there

LOL

[solid frigate]

no Volcarona is VERY Crimminal

the name is RIGHT THERE

just delete it

[real prairie]

it was in the original suggestions tbf before i specified scarlet and violet

[solid frigate]

i'll think of something else

[solid frigate]

delete the text wall plox

[real prairie]

Done

Why are we both up at 3am anyway 🤣

[solid frigate]

idk i can't sleep cuz i slept eariler before

[real prairie]

Fair. I've been trying to troubleshoot my new PC since about 5pm, finally sorted it and it's downloading games so might actually go to bed now 🤣

[strange fjord]

hooray! getting a new pc set up is a good feeling!

[jade dust]

Surprising she got defeated in likes by Sunday

But it’s fine, the only character Sunday really benefits fully is terrible

[solid frigate]

she didn't even confront sunday-

She Left the soulglad arena

[jade dust]

I mean in likes in Twitter

[solid frigate]

b r u h

still skipping him

[jade dust]

Same

I don’t have Mid Yuan and I don’t plan pulling for him

I have Topaz but she’s better with a follow up team anyway

[solid frigate]

the point is that I don't even want JY cuz i'm pulling for Acheron in next wave for 2.6

[jade dust]

I wish I could pull for Acheron but I need Adventurine more

[solid frigate]

Gepard is a good alternative for Feixiao's Aven

[novel halo]

Currently trying to theorize for a Hariyama doubles team, anyone got any ideas for pokemon that work well with it? I have a few good trick room pokemon written down [Farigaraf, indeedee, torkoal, Oranguru, etc] and a few psychic pokemon down in case I wanna go with indeedee, and a few sun pokemon in case I want torkoal, but idk this is my first time really getting into competitive

[solid frigate]

in Reg H?

[jade dust]

Nah, Gallagher is better

[novel halo]

Yeah

[solid frigate]

do you want me to lose a healer on my FF team-

[novel halo]

I know a decent bit since I watch videos all the time, but also not that much

[jade dust]

Well if you have Firefly then no, but I don’t so

[solid frigate]

Ehhhhhh not sure if i like this team

[novel halo]

Fair, I just wanted to use Hariyama because I just really like it, so I tried to build around it

[jade dust]

Adventurine is the only piece I’m missing for my FART team so he’s a must pull

[novel halo]

I know it's decent in trick room and helps support the setter, but idk where to go from there, I don't even have my setter picked out yet

[jade dust]

Honestly I think you would be better with the bear, as a Guts user. If you need fake out, you can use Incin or Rilla

[novel halo]

Yeah I have incin marked down on the list already, but I didn't want rilla since I was trying to decide between farigiraf and indeedee, and that's two different terrain setters

[jade dust]

Don’t use both Rilla and Indeedee no

Depends on what you need. Fari is better overall but if you need follow me, Indeedee

[novel halo]

Okay so I had one good thought in there that's a step up

[jade dust]

I like Indeedee more cuz follow me

But she needs better positioning cuz you always have to play around teams with Rilla

[novel halo]

But yeah I was initially thinking of fari, but I had some good ideas to go with indeedee as well

[solid frigate]

I mean i'm a Semi F2P so my Feixiao team has March and Robin

[jade dust]

If you’re using Indeedee make her as slow as possible, so she puts terrain last

[solid frigate]

fari stonks is not good currently

[novel halo]

But also I wouldn't need follow me if I have a Bulky hariyama on the team so yikers

[solid frigate]

honestly no i think Indeedee might be better on Sun Teams

[jade dust]

March is very good, and you can use her until you get Topaz

I was running March Feixiao too

[solid frigate]

i skipped Topaz on purpose

[jade dust]

I assumed

Cuz saving for Acheron?

[solid frigate]

cuz god forbid i need Acheron cuz not Rappa cuz i have FF already

[solid frigate]

Acheron and Aven

[novel halo]

Yeah I know Indeedee and torkal can go well together so I thought of that

[jade dust]

Ah so we’re in the same boat

If I win my 50/50 with Adve I’ll pull for Acheron

[solid frigate]

more like E0S1 Acheron and E0S0 Aven (I'm transfering Ice March LC on Aven)

[jade dust]

Do you have Concert for Two?

That’s the best f2p option

I’ll use that on mine

[solid frigate]

i need to check it later

[solid frigate]

Indeedee,Torkal,Whimsicott,Typhlosion,Hariyama and Flex Option for you matchups

usually Ursaluna but its still flex

[jade dust]

I have an e1s1 Robin and I wasn’t planning pulling for eidolons but I got her first copy in 10 pulls with no pity

And e1 in the next 30

I was super lucky to pull e1 Robin

[novel halo]

I had a few weird things on there too I was kinda theorizing about like hatterene to go with the indeedee, k. exeggutor to maybe go with indeedee and kinda take down dondozo since I heard that's good right now, and emboar to work with Trick Room and cover some of inde/fari's weaknesses and work with torkoal

[solid frigate]

Me when i use Bronya on Firefly team cuz i missed the RM pull

[gentle crag]

morrispxg456 has given 1 Gen Rep to shrekers

[solid frigate]

i think i have a Sun team for you to check

[jade dust]

Damn super break is though without Ruan Mei

I started playing in Yunli’s banner so I’m relatively new to the game

I wanted the barefoot girl

[novel halo]

Hisui typh / Blood Ursa or Johto typh / Hisui Ursa ?

[solid frigate]

nah not really i'm in MOC 11

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/dac32430aa302a34

I did this

[solid frigate]

Yunli is alright,could be great startup point

[jade dust]

Yeah she’s very good for all modes

[novel halo]

Ooo

[jade dust]

The only one she struggles a bit in Apocalyptic Shadow

[solid frigate]

i skipped Yunli cuz i already got E1 Clara lmao

[jade dust]

She’s much better than Clara but I don’t blame you

You kinda have that role filled

Clara can still clear content

[novel halo]

Garchomp is confusing me a bit though, is that just a role for coverage or smth? I might be dumb though

[solid frigate]

coverage and good ol reliable

[solid frigate]

man i still need to Build Guinaifen and Pela for Acheron

[novel halo]

Makes sense

[jade dust]

Imagine having Pela

Not me sadly

I don’t have Tingyun either and I need her

For both Den Heng and Yunli

[solid frigate]

IL?

[jade dust]

Yes

The only good one cuz 4 stars suck

[solid frigate]

you have Sparkle?

[jade dust]

Yee

[solid frigate]

ok thank god

cuz i was like why did you pull for IL when its fallen off and you mention ting yun

[novel halo]

If I really wanted to I could be nefarious and put Hariyama over Garch and see how it works out, since trick room is only really working with hatterene

[solid frigate]

eh you could

[jade dust]

I use Den Heng and Yunli interchangeably

[solid frigate]

honestly i think its more weaker cuz March feels more better on supporting Feixiao

But then again-

[jade dust]

Depending on the mode

[novel halo]

Plus that would add fake out to the team which is just good to have

[solid frigate]

at this point just yse Incin lol

[jade dust]

He’s still good but NEEDS Sparkle

Without her, he’s pretty underwhelming

[jade dust]

What is weaker?

[solid frigate]

topaz

Cuz IDk maybe i having huge Bias on March's Skill

[jade dust]

Not really lol, Topaz is best in slot for follow up. March is good but Topaz attacks much more frequently and she gives a constant 50 crit dmg buff

[novel halo]

Quit being logical /j

[jade dust]

March gives 60% but only once when she uses enhanced

It’s a good buff but

Topaz deals more damage too

[solid frigate]

i think as a F2P stand point March is easier to build cuz you already have her E6 which is just a boost

also why are we talking about HSR when someone is literally talking about his team

[novel halo]

I've also been meaning to use a hatterene on my team since I got a shiny one from a raid so that'll be fun

[solid frigate]

i think just do 4:2 where WhimsPhlosion would be the fast mode for the team

[jade dust]

She’s definitely a good substitute for Topaz, but in that case as well, I recommend pulling for Topaz’s lc. That light cone is very good and it’s best in slot for Moze and March

[novel halo]

I'll probably try that, thanks for the team ideas dawg 👍

[rustic mountain]

wen u beat 2-2-2 dozo

[solid frigate]

satisfying

[rustic mountain]

[strange fjord]

haze go brr

[rustic mountain]

no haze required

[strange fjord]

even better feeling

[cyan smelt]

what tera was on the dozo

[rustic mountain]

idk they grass tera'd armarouge t1 and i doubled it w/ flip turn and hurricane and kod it

[spiral ridge]

When I try to open team sheets but they say no and I’m hit outta no where with helping hand overheat crit from chandelure on my p2

[strange fjord]

https://www.munchstats.com/gen9vgc2024regh/1760/Furret
@torn parrot im guessing most of this furret was you lol. even got some of the moves from previous sets you've tried i think

[torn parrot]

yeah thats me lol XD
wow the sunny day version got more usage than the knock off version

[spiral ridge]

Still won though

[strange fjord]

closed team sheets is wild lol

[spiral ridge]

Last two singles I’ve tried to open just no

[torn parrot]

wow lmao

[spiral ridge]

Ima just start doing BO3 so at least past first game I have some idea

[torn parrot]

probably for the best
cant expect peopel to open their teamsheets in best of one

[spiral ridge]

I love p2 it’s so bulky and cool
It wasn’t bulky enough for that 😭

[spiral ridge]

Just sorta a habit I choose BO1 cus usually not enough time + I get way more nervous in BO3 for some reason

[strange fjord]

I'm running kierans team and i love cts because they intimidate and burn my Dragonite (its a special attacker lol)

[spiral ridge]

Prob just cus more stuff to think about

[torn parrot]

completely understandable

requires more brain energy and theres more pressure with every set

cus if you lose you just like

thats like 20 minutes

its a very time consuming ladder

[strange fjord]

gotta set time out of your day for bo3 ladder

[spiral ridge]

Just a lot I’m unfamiliar with and learning how to switch up leads and guessing how others will too (in low ladder so that will be a shit show)

I prob just need to jump in

[spiral ridge]

Yeah and I’m tryna play in class man

I remember only time I locked in BO3 on accident was 5 minutes before class ended and I went full offensive

Almost one but got idled on final move :(

My primarina vs ttar it was right there

[strange fjord]

bo3 requires brain power to actually get through and that drains you for each set more than bo1. personally, I can't say locked in for too many battles

which makes climbing on bo3 so much slower than bo1

[real prairie]

It is when it wants to work 🤣

[torn parrot]

im sleepy

[knotty mirage]

I wonder if shedinja was added to SV will it break the meta tera electric air balloon wonder guard does sounds annoying to deal with

[torn parrot]

im sure it would break the meta

people would be required one shedinja counter on every team

theyd have to respect it

[knotty mirage]

So would people just bring stellar tera blast it will always hit super effective too terastalized pokemon after all

[torn parrot]

no thers many ways to beat it

status affects
sand
mold breaker

weezing

[knotty mirage]

Ah yeah almost forget about mold breaker

[torn parrot]

rocky helmet even

rough skin

rocky helmet is probably the most aplicable to most teams

since its a soft counter that only needs an item that is already useful

but yeah that's about all you can do against tera electric air baloon shedinja

oh also fire pledge

uwu

[cyan smelt]

i'm learning a lot from vgc poketubers

[torn parrot]

i learn stuff too from them

[cyan smelt]

it's nice how they explain their plays and their choices and their thought processes

i think it's gonna help me becoming more of a student with this

[torn parrot]

i enjoy wolfey streams cus he's charismatic

[cyan smelt]

world champ diff

[balmy glen]

i miss the old wolfe vids

[torn parrot]

im not sure what old wolfey vids were like

but

i dont really watch the new current vids cus they're aimed toward casual pokemon fans

i mostly just like listening to him talk in a stream

[solid frigate]

we want old wolfey vids back

[cyan smelt]

Wondering how this team looks, talonflame, gliscor, tentacruel, dnite and kingambit

[solid frigate]

I’m suprised to say this but Talonflame looks outlier for me

[cyan smelt]

I need tw

And something that's not weak to ice

[lunar abyss]

For VGC ?

[cyan smelt]

Yes

[foggy lodge]

Comfey

😊

[lunar abyss]

I don't understand your gameplan with your team

You need a wall

Have you played your team at least 10 games ?

[cyan smelt]

No I'm just theory crafting atm

[solid frigate]

POV:Multiscale Lum Berry Dnite be like

[lunar abyss]

Rule number 1 : ask for advices after at least 10 games

Because you'll see what's wrong with your team by playing it

[solid frigate]

I don’t think its a rule-

you can ask advice whenever you want to

[lunar abyss]

You have to play your team

On YT search : Pokemon teambuilding guide

1st video will tell you everything

[solid frigate]

if you have build the team you already have a decent understanding towards the team comp and Gameplan. You could ask for it whenever you want otherwise you would still get stumped

I rather ask for Advice on how to improve over the comp rather than get stumped

[lunar abyss]

No you don't understand what i said

Playing the team will answer your questions

[solid frigate]

you do realise Not everyone has same learning speed as you do right

[lunar abyss]

You learn by playing the game, don't be afraid to lose

I'm not trying to be mean believe me i want to help

[chrome knot]

stinky

60pt weekend for me both in pretty good rooms

[solid frigate]

Locals?

[chrome knot]

yah

10/44 in Toronto
2/16 in Ann Arbor

[spiral ridge]

Why are you up

[chrome knot]

well i went to bed at 8

[spiral ridge]

Yeah that would do it

Went to bed in a Friday at 6 skipping dinner and woke up at 6 am feeling like I skipped two days or something

[cyan smelt]

I'm just discouraged from testing anything because someone out of the blue said I was bad at the game after I lost to them

[lunar abyss]

Forget about that

Everybody is bad unless you are world champion for some ppl

We all start at the bottom

[cyan smelt]

everything i make sucks with the exception of my reg g team

[lunar abyss]

Just play and learn

It not easy but that's how it works

[cyan smelt]

i'll watch the vgc teambuilding guide first

[cyan smelt]

which guide is the best to watch? i'm watching the one by thatsaplusone because it has the most views

[chrome knot]

in my honest opinion

the way i think i learnt best was when i stopped trying to be the innovator and i practiced things i knew were consistent, i think being able to develop lines with critical thinking with a team you know has had success maybe in online play or in person tournaments can help you overall in teambuilding as you get to slowly understand why these pieces were put here, reasoning behind ev spread maybe it speed creeps something or is teched to live something else, i think understanding WHY mons are chosen with their given team synergy with strengths and weaknesses is better than watching guides on how to play the game

[molten oasis]

[cyan smelt]

well ik dnite and gliscor are consistent and so is gambit

[chrome knot]

gliscor is not consistent

that was a 1 hit wonder team i fear

[cyan smelt]

i still want to use it

[chrome knot]

:v

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/TheKingVillager/status/1852993010063057275

The(TWEAKING)Villager (@TheKingVillager) on X

This genuinely might be the worst usage graphic of all time I'm not gonna hold you

Twitter · Nov 3, 2024, 8:35 AM

[lunar abyss]

I don't have sneasler

[molten oasis]

It’s up there

Thx dozo

[lofty tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/dondozo-pokémon-terastallizing-gif-11103478505228310817

[cyan smelt]

well this team is not going well at all

[cyan smelt]

and now i've won 5 in a row

lost a couple in a row now

[knotty mirage]

Huh amoongus not on top 12 that's surprising

[cyan smelt]

this team is ass, lost 5 in a row

[shrewd scarab]

Jk

[cyan smelt]

mean

i like being able to eq next to dnite and talon

i just straight up lose against tr

[cyan smelt]

yeah this team does not like tr

[lunar abyss]

Tr ?

Trick room i'm stupid

[cyan smelt]

yeah i beat a standard tr team before but stuff like p2 and sinistcha i struggle against

[lunar abyss]

Trick room sucks in general

[cyan smelt]

it's a hard MU

[lunar abyss]

With priority moves like sucker punch you can destroy it

Protect to gain time

[cyan smelt]

not if they have farigiraf and i lost to tera fire sylveon

[lunar abyss]

Taunt/follow me

[cyan smelt]

i always assume that farigs have mental herb

so i'm just gonna spore them in future

[lunar abyss]

Or just tera dark kingambit will destroy it

Max atk/hp will be fast in trick room

[cyan smelt]

my kingambit is tera flying to avoid earth power and body press

and CC and drain punch

[lunar abyss]

Kingambit tera dark is more common and better overall

[cyan smelt]

i like tera flying because then i can EQ next to it

[lunar abyss]

EQ isn't that good in VGC

Yeah you can hit both pokemons but many pokemons are tera water/fly

[cyan smelt]

It chunks archaludon and ohkos hyphlosion

[lunar abyss]

Eq with which pokemon ?

[cyan smelt]

Gliscor

[lunar abyss]

That's not a good idea

Gliscor sucks at dealing damage

[cyan smelt]

It's choice banded

[lunar abyss]

It's mostly used in stall comp with black sludge

[cyan smelt]

Gliscor has seen some success recently because of the prevalence of sneasler

[lunar abyss]

Yeah but no choice band

[cyan smelt]

I could always go back to SD high horsepower

[lunar abyss]

What are it's EVs ?

[cyan smelt]

I just did 252 ATK 252 spe jolly

[knotty mirage]

I have question is golurk usable in this reg maybe as trick room sweeper ?

[lunar abyss]

Trick room isn't very good so i would say no

[lunar abyss]

95 base spe and atk isn't enough for this kind of setup

You we outsped by almost everything even max spe

[cyan smelt]

I have tw support

[lunar abyss]

You can play gliscor as a support

[cyan smelt]

But it's there for sneasler and annihilape

And hisuian typhlosion

[lunar abyss]

I guess if it works keep it

[cyan smelt]

I need to re-watch that team building guide I think and then analyse my replays

[knotty mirage]

Wdym

[lunar abyss]

Not the meta

[knotty mirage]

Are you sure i seen like 3/5 trick room team in my ussual match on in game ladder

[cyan smelt]

Tr will always be around no matter the format

[lunar abyss]

Obviously good players can make anything work

[cyan smelt]

But golurk is not good

[mighty stump]

🤔

Interesting

[lunar abyss]

A pro player arrived please don't tell me i'm giving bad advices

[knotty mirage]

I really just want to use him maybe no guard dynamic punch could be really good agains't archaludon

[mighty stump]

Well I don’t necessarily think anything I’m just here to cause panic

[lunar abyss]

Yeah try and see how it goes

[lunar abyss]

Oh okay

[cyan smelt]

Yeah but then Draco meteor can't miss

[knotty mirage]

Well i'm not testing it yet that's why i ask in here

[mighty stump]

The ones who panic have reason to panic 👁️

Dun dun dun

Anyways I’m out

[lunar abyss]

Byebye

[knotty mirage]

I don't think that's matter much how many times you see draco miss in a match anyway

[mighty stump]

Enough times to know it matters

[cyan smelt]

Toedscruel is sorta working, mycelium might isn't too bad

And earth power does a good chunk to non tera arch

[lofty tartan]

Lotta hot takes in here all rapid fire like 👀

[lofty tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/jfk-clone-high-i-like-your-funny-words-magic-man-jack-black-gif-18659433

[cyan smelt]

I like using toedscruel

[lofty tartan]

I played around with the Geezing/Toedscruel team

It's fun. I'm a fan of Neutralizing Gas.

[cyan smelt]

I'm running it without geezing and it's going ok, I don't really mind mycelium might

[lofty tartan]

Without Weezing it's... pretty mid.

Not gonna lie right there.

[cyan smelt]

I don't really like neutralising gas memes

[lofty tartan]

It's less of a meme and more a strategy. Your team works without abilities and you inhibit plans that need abilities.

Toedscruel without Gas is just mediocre.

You're trying to force a guy to work that's sorta quirky.

[cyan smelt]

Might be nice to stop stamina boosts

[lofty tartan]

But you're not even capitalizing on what made him good.

[cyan smelt]

And turn off drizzle

[lofty tartan]

Psychic Surge, Grassy Surge

[cyan smelt]

No more armor tail

[lofty tartan]

Only relevant if you're running priority anyway. Farigiraf sees much less use right now.

[cyan smelt]

I lost to it a couple of times on my alt

[lofty tartan]

Weezing and Ability Shield Incineroar is pretty rough for Sneasler Balance teams.

You turn off Clear Body and Defiant for Dragapult or Gambit, you get your intimidates, you like to pivot 🤷

Slaking is more memey but still almost made a day 2 but lost a win-and-in

[cyan smelt]

Maybe I'll replace toedscruel with something else then but idk what

[lofty tartan]

If you want a ground threat, you can run Garchomp.

[cyan smelt]

I'm already running gliscor

[lofty tartan]

I'd restrict myself to not having multiple niche mons on a team

Like Gliscor - fine. It's not incredible but it's not bad - it serves a purpose.

Round that out with solid stuff to make him serve that purpose

[cyan smelt]

I need to go back and analyse my replays so I know what I'm doing wrong and where my team needs work

[lofty tartan]

This may even be where playing a lot of games is actually a really good thing

Part of the time it's not even your team but it's your own awareness of the state of the board.

[knotty mirage]

Is gliscor even good on double i only use him on bss not sure if it's gonna work on double

[cyan smelt]

I feel like I'm on autopilot a lot when playing and not making conscious decisions

[lofty tartan]

It's worked already in doubles. lol

You use it to punch holes in Sneasler.

It threatens Rillaboom, it threatens Archaludon, etc

[knotty mirage]

Right poison heal could cuck dire claw

[lofty tartan]

I've done the calcs. I know what damage it does and doesn't do, and I know how it picks up the ohkos you want

You don't use Poison Heal.

You use Hyper Cutter and just Dual Wingbeat him

252 Atk Gliscor Dual Wingbeat (2 hits) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Sneasler: 168-204 (107.6 - 130.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

🥱

Not even an attack-positive nature. Come on

252+ Atk Sneasler Dire Claw vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Gliscor: 31-37 (20.6 - 24.6%) -- guaranteed 5HKO

252+ Atk Sneasler Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Gliscor: 46-55 (30.6 - 36.6%) -- 69% chance to 3HKO

[cyan smelt]

I was thinking about running defog on talonflame so dual wingbeat always hits

[lofty tartan]

You're considering running Defog to improve a 9/10 chance of hitting? Man the accuracy memes have gone too far

[knotty mirage]

It sounds like it still can be screwed by dire claw status

[lofty tartan]

Covert Cloak.

Tailwind.

Fake Out

[cyan smelt]

Sometimes you miss a crucial dual wingbeat or scale shot

[lofty tartan]

I've missed both. I still run them. The other nine crucial Dual Wingbeats hit.

[bold geode]

I wouldn't run Defog though lol

[cyan smelt]

I'll just stick with brave bird, flare blitz and protect

[knotty mirage]

Defog does sounds really bad especially when it can just end up as competitive or defiant fodder

[lofty tartan]

Like people play meteor at pro-level all the time and win events with it. Risk vs reward is a thing that people often overlook far too much.

[lofty tartan]

Do it

Run Defog and then 1v1 me bruh

[cyan smelt]

Well obviously I wouldn't click defog in front of gambit or annihilape

[lofty tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/obiwan-i-shall-become-more-powerful-than-you-can-imagine-star-wars-gif-9950986

[knotty mirage]

Switch in exist tho

[lofty tartan]

For what

[cyan smelt]

They're not gonna switch in a gambit or annihilape in front of talonflame

[lofty tartan]

Dude you say that lol

People do crazy things all the time lmfao

[cyan smelt]

True

[lofty tartan]

I see people throwing mad disrespect all the time on ladder. I wonder if they're just clicking buttons and not actually looking at things or what

It's the wild west

[cyan smelt]

I'll just stick with the standard moves for talon

[knotty mirage]

With how many times i see people spam earthquake there fair enough

[lofty tartan]

I have to play wide guard guessing games though

Then you run into a stray Scarf Pelipper

[bold geode]

Running Defog with Hydro Pump lmao

[lofty tartan]

Lmfao

WoW and Heat Wave too

Make a Defog team

[cyan smelt]

Iron bundle with defog

[bold geode]

Doesn't affect Fissure or I'd do that

[lofty tartan]

Just Skill Swap No Guard them

[knotty mirage]

In my experience playing in game ladder it prolly better to always go for obvious play because trying to predict shit will ussualy just end up horribly when people just click move mindlessly

[lofty tartan]

You're already down a creek

Ehhhhh

Then you go obvious play Expanding Force right into a Pelipper and get your house reposessed by the bank

[bold geode]

There's times when you need or should predict vs not
You kinda learn when based on how you play and by playing more

[knotty mirage]

Tbh i don't see much wide guard play in this reg

[bold geode]

It's there

[lofty tartan]

Yeah but what you see is really just part of what is actually there

A very very very VERY small part.

[knotty mirage]

Pelipper set will ussualy just go with hurricane weather ball protect and tailwind

[lofty tartan]

For me, over 65% of the Pelippers I've seen packed WG

And it's really good against me.

So I need to make that call in CTS. OTS that doesn't matter.

[knotty mirage]

Damn but yeah it still depend on the openent anyway

[lofty tartan]

But what I've seen is still definitely a very very very small part of the metagame.

Anyway - time for a nap before getting my kid from school

[rare pumice]

is the distribution of nasty plot way lower than swords dance?

[knotty mirage]

I think so as far i can tell most of special attacker got calm mind instead

[foggy lodge]

I found one

Tera grass grassy glide killedit

:v

[bold geode]

This Reg the amount of viable Nasty Plot Pokemon is definitely low

[real prairie]

a shocking number of phyiscal attackers

[spiral ridge]

Nasty plot incin my favorite

[torn parrot]

Why do people prefer to invest 12 evs into rillaboom special defense

[real prairie]

i would hazard a guess its probably to do with surviving a specific move set

like specs make it rain or something like that

[torn parrot]

I need to learn all of these tiny little ev little tricky tricks

There’s so many of them

I need a list

[real prairie]

ends up being custom calcs on what you want to survive going into a battle against most common threats

then you find your custom calcs are the same as someone elses who has done the same 🤣

[torn parrot]

Lesson learned

252 252 never fails

Nah but I still wanna learn these things

[real prairie]

dont forget about your 4

[torn parrot]

Nah that’s the one I forget about until like 2 days later

Anyways tho

Yeah I wanan learn the tricky tricks

I was told that making 1.5x buffed stats into even numbers is optimal

But then I calced this

+1 188+ SpA Liquid Voice Primarina Hyper Voice vs. 100 HP / 0 SpD Gholdengo: 96-114 (54.8 - 65.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

+1 196+ SpA Liquid Voice Primarina Hyper Voice vs. 100 HP / 0 SpD Gholdengo: 96-114 (54.8 - 65.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

And I’m like ughhhhhhh

Math isn’t mathing

[real prairie]

that isn't mathing

188+ SpA Liquid Voice Primarina Hyper Voice vs. 100 HP / 0 SpD Gholdengo: 64-76 (36.5 - 43.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

you didnt account for lv50

oh wait

sorry, i forgot the +1

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-brain-dead-drool-bored-gif-7233020

okay, figured it out @torn parrot its the multi target reduction making it the same.

[torn parrot]

Huh ok

I found a cheat sheet on vgc guide

O:

[real prairie]

do share

[torn parrot]

https://www.vgcguide.com/eving-3

they got a little list of tricks

At the end

[real prairie]

bookmarked

[torn parrot]

Still don’t get the 1.5x stuff tho it doesn’t mention it here

[chrome knot]

what

[real prairie]

SD shows it as a multiplier instead of stat stage increases

each +1 = +0.5 multiplier

[torn parrot]

No not that

Just that thing I heard about even numbers and 1.5x boosts

[chrome knot]

bc if ur stat falls on a .5 it always rounds down

[torn parrot]

Oh I see interesting

[chrome knot]

so you just lose a point of stat

or well its more like wasting but

[torn parrot]

Wow

I didn’t know that

[real prairie]

the only thing i really struggle with is making sure the stat spreads i have on showdown are the same on cart

[torn parrot]

I really gotta keep that in mind

[chrome knot]

how

literally count to ur number lmfao

[real prairie]

since lots of my mons are random levels over 50 🤣

[chrome knot]

change the level on showdown…

[real prairie]

yeah i do, but then it messes with some of the investments occasionally

realistically i just need to put them all at 100

[torn parrot]

So with this

Is it the same due to the spread move calcing shenanigans

[real prairie]

yeah

if you adjust it to singles you see the damage difference

[torn parrot]

Okay so I just gotta keep in mind to only worry about the 1.5x stuff when not talking about spread moves or if it’s with assault vest

No wait

Now I’m confused again

Nah it’s whatever

I’ll keep it in mind tho

This shit ain’t make any sense to me

Like I get the round down stuff

But the it not working in the calc isn’t making sense

But I’ll still keep it in mind

[torn parrot]

!!!

Genius

[real prairie]

oh my 👀

*Ludicolo salivates at the thought

is defog spread or single target?

[torn parrot]

Spread but I feel like it’s way easier just to run weather ball on your ludicolo

I get it’s on your peliper but like then the ludicolo moves before defog

[real prairie]

i dropped Peliper tbh

[real prairie]

Gale wings Defog possibly

also makes a super fast rain setter that would go after prankster sun setters

only downside is would go after Tailwinders

[torn parrot]

So no rain ludicolo?

Or it’s rain but you gotta find a way to swap into talonflame

Idk just feels like it has a wpp% accurate water move for what it does and when it doesn’t have a water move it has a bunch of other 100 base power type moves that don’t lose power

[real prairie]

Rain Dance Talonflame 👀 lol

[real prairie]

I was thinking more Defog for Muddy water than Hydropump tbh

[torn parrot]

@real prairie my friend fuchsia did the math aperently
I can’t do math but the gist of it is that it doesn’t matter at all there is no optimal magic number and it’s always changing depending on enemy bulk and other factors

[real prairie]

well yeah, but you can build sets based on other popular sets and hope for the best.

[molten oasis]

You’re a lighter shade of blue

[torn parrot]

Well your a fast ball

https://tenor.com/view/anime-gif-10271429305488134245

I’m a cooler ball

[real prairie]

i have no idea what the balls mean

[molten oasis]

I didn’t mean that in a mean way

[solid frigate]

deez-

[torn parrot]

No im kidding

Lol

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/h-mana-sou-gif-25615674

[foggy lodge]

252 Atk Choice Band Tera Water Basculegion Wave Crash vs. 252 HP / 124+ Def Eviolite Porygon2 in Rain: 162-192 (84.3 - 100%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

[chrome knot]

im clickin fake out into bascu

[bold geode]

What math is it?

[bold geode]

You've definitely gone to Sawcon before

[molten oasis]

sure have, but have you heard of the great greek legend bofadees

[bold geode]

Oh for sure
I actually read about it from this book a girl gave me, her name was Candice. You met her right?

[atomic portal]

basic math

[molten oasis]

im out of deez nuts jokes damn

[bold geode]

That's sad
Just like when Steve Jobs died of ligma

[bold geode]

Basic math like what

[atomic portal]

for prima - prima is hitting for more - dengos defensive calcs just makes it so its marginally different but ranging within the same integer

like 1.1 vs 1.9

u change it up a little bit and you can see that prima will do more/less damage depending on the defensive calc

[bold geode]

Ok so you just did regular calcs now I see

[atomic portal]

i mean yeah everyone here was giving the wrong answer

[bold geode]

Wait why y'all talking about weather with Defog does it

[tiny karma]

Move: Defog

Lowers the target's evasiveness by 1 stage. If this move is successful and whether or not the target's evasiveness was affected, the effects of Reflect, Light Screen, Aurora Veil, Safeguard, Mist, Spikes, Toxic Spikes, Stealth Rock, and Sticky Web end for the target's side, and the effects of Spikes, Toxic Spikes, Stealth Rock, and Sticky Web end for the user's side. Ignores a target's substitute, although a substitute will still block the lowering of evasiveness. If there is a terrain active and this move is successful, the terrain will be cleared.

Type

Flying

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Authentic

Bypasses substitute.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Reflectable

Affected by Magic Coat and Magic Bounce.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[atomic portal]

defog into hydro miss for the evasion drop

[bold geode]

How does that even

[atomic portal]

drops targets evasion

makes hydro easy to hit

[craggy dagger]

also clears screens and hazards which is really nice for singles-

dunno how useful defog would be in vgc though

[shadow wind]

A reason why I dislike the elo system

But it's a good system for 90% of everything else

[craggy dagger]

yeahhh

[bold geode]

Yeah but like
Were folks thinking it changes the calcs?

[atomic portal]

i think that was just a side tangent

[bold geode]

Ok cuz yeah that's not how it goes lol

[atomic portal]

the hydro?

[bold geode]

The calc itself

You're just hitting it easier it wouldn't change the calc at all

[atomic portal]

idk dude im just saying what they were talking about

im only focused on the prima mystery

[torn parrot]

Oh no it wasn’t related

It was a different ev related thing

[molten oasis]

2024 the downfall of Mr beast

[torn parrot]

I Will admit I have noticed he’s lost like half his usual views

Now he only gets 100 million per video instead of 200

[atomic portal]

and the rise of jake paul

[molten oasis]

No some other stuff has popped up apparently

Similar to uh, many others this year

[vagrant ingot]

Are there any online tournements that are coming up this month or next month?

[next stump]

for VGC?

[vagrant ingot]

yea Vgc

[next stump]

there’s pretty much daily tournaments on limitlessvgc, you can google to find the site

if you want official pokemon sanctioned tournaments, there will probably be another Grand Challenge later this month or next month that’s best of 1 and in game

[vagrant ingot]

Alright tysm

[next stump]

you’re welcome 🙂

https://x.com/marc0fier0/status/1853557647817236770?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfszOAZ6w

50% top cut rate is insane

fra (@marc0fier0) on X

2nd place at the Gdansk Regionals!

Playing something a bit less conventional was fun Charizard is insanely strong 🔥

Really happy with the consistency I’ve shown in these last few events. With this Top Cut, I’m now at 11 Top Cuts out of 22 Major Events in SV

See you at LAIC!

Twitter · Nov 4, 2024, 9:59 PM

that’s gotta be second to only wolfe, right? if we only take players with a good sample size

[bold geode]

Is there a paste on this

[next stump]

I don’t think so

[bold geode]

Nope
Damn

[real prairie]

will be on LabMaus soon-ish

[chrome knot]

@next stump p2 is god

[placid mist]

https://pokepast.es/9f7c7ea13f8a7c84
does anyone have suggestions for my team i am thinking of changing whimsicott and/or kingambit

[dense latch]

top cut explorer has a non-evd version

https://pokepast.es/3fd06df9e7e2294b

it's also up in labmaus as of like 10 minutes ago

[bold geode]

I can get OTS, I just wanted to know if he posted spreads

[dense latch]

oh ok my b

[tidal blade]

first day back to vgc i think thats a pretty nice looking winrate

[foggy lodge]

Does someone knows how helping hand's formula works?

[whole ibex]

Is P2 Balance with Flamigo still good?

[craggy dagger]

id assume its whatever this is multiplied by hh which boost ally's damage by 50% so 0.5?

[bold geode]

Hai bestie

[craggy dagger]

hii

[foggy lodge]

Sure

It ended in a fine place ik Gdansk

[strange fjord]

0.5 would reduce the damage in half. its a 1.5x multiplier

[foggy lodge]

Yeah the thing is like

I know its 1.5x

But what would be the order of the calc

I suppose it goes after stab and item boost or those things

Or does it just don't matter

i think it goes after stab, its not the same calc

252 SpA Choice Specs Tera Ghost Calyrex-Shadow Astral Barrage vs. 236 HP / 76+ SpD Incineroar: 84-99 (42 - 49.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Calyrex-Shadow Helping Hand Astral Barrage vs. 236 HP / 76+ SpD Incineroar: 93-111 (46.5 - 55.5%) -- 71.9% chance to 2HKO

[strange fjord]

it goes in the order of the image earlier. all calcs rounded down if not an integer

also tera ghost makes the 1.5x into a 2x multiplier. helping hand includes the 1.5x multiplier in addition with the 1.5x from STAB

so helping hand does more because its a 1.5x1.5 = 2.25x multiplier vs the 2x from only Tera

[rustic mountain]

i think so yea, insane consistency hes def one of the best in the world atm imo

crazy is he wouldve won gdansk if not for horrendous luck in g2

hurricane 50% hits, into confusion into hitting urself in confusion

[chrome knot]

tr33

[rustic mountain]

yo

[rustic mountain]

it won a special event not too long ago

its not where it once was but if u can pilot it well enough, should be consistent

[chrome knot]

i fix team

team is god

[rustic mountain]

av gambit right?

[spiral ridge]

Mhm

She tweaked a move on another mon

[solid frigate]

AV Gambit our beloved

[craggy dagger]

oh
yeah yeah
i was just thinking it’s a 50% increase

[stark ibex]

Hi !

[solid frigate]

Hoi gen 5

[stark ibex]

i am balding with my homework

[solid frigate]

uhhh ok?

[knotty mirage]

I have question is ghost type immune to endeavor or no ?

[solid frigate]

yeah cuz its still an attack

Ghost and lower health than the user immunes

[knotty mirage]

So ghost type is immune to endeavor damn oh well good to know then

[cyan smelt]

so my team is really struggling with farig, rilla, sneasler, incin and a9

maybe i should add a sneasler of my own

Emma's probably right, I should practise with an established team

[dull ibex]

hello everyone

unrelated but im switching to linux again

windows 10 is going to EOL late next year so im getting ahead of that while I can't upgrade to 11

[chrome knot]

why cant u upgrade to 11?

[dull ibex]

my hardware is too weak

I have a 1050ti and a failing cpu

[spiral ridge]

EOL?

[mighty stump]

Windows 10 oof

[dull ibex]

End of life

[dull ibex]

Vc?

Oh right prolly working

[spiral ridge]

Ohh really wow

[dull ibex]

It just means its not getting security update

Which means eventually it'll end up like Vista

[spiral ridge]

Oh ok

[dull ibex]

Where you go on the internet at all and get a thousand viruses lmao

I think that's fr BTW

OK not the number

But it's not safe to use 7 or Vista

[next stump]

happy election day any americans in chat

[chrome knot]

wooo

[dull ibex]

Thank you

[gentle crag]

redstonejesus has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[atomic mural]

This is the election I want

[mighty stump]

Im not working

[dull ibex]

oh good

[mighty stump]

letys vc

[torn parrot]

I’m getting really sick

Of hearing about Mr beast

And Logan Paul

And ksi

Are people ever gonna get bored of this connected drama

[mighty stump]

Lmao

[patent marsh]

the bottom half besides kris tyson situation got worse #2 got over a million views with 1 having 7.5mil, people want to watch it and it's free money for these people

The addiction continues

[patent marsh]

also this is just the consequence of being the most mainstream for these chronically online social media users

[next stump]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quYjN57Tycg

can we get this theme back in game

[torn parrot]

Can get it in showdown

Plz

[solid frigate]

PFFT

[torn parrot]

president

PERSONALLLY

I THINK BLASTOISE IS COOL

but you know whats cooler

my adhd meds kicking in

[torn parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/mimi-power-up-eyes-anime-girl-tower-of-fantasy-gif-18381543161226070023

252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Water Palafin-Hero Helping Hand Wave Crash vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Archaludon in Rain: 237-279 (120.3 - 141.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

wall this bitch

[solid frigate]

Blastoise is workable

[chrome knot]

man

i sure hope it doesnt have self proc for this 18 modifier attack

[knotty mirage]

Is lycanroc usable in this reg ?

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2237979405

[solid frigate]

not sure if its worth it

When Excadrill exists

[knotty mirage]

Hmm i'm thinking of using it as focus sash endeavor set i have a blast using it on BSS and just wondering if it's gonna work on double too

[torn parrot]

you always see the worst in everything

[chrome knot]

its fun that way

[near crag]

I just thought of a really cool team, with torkoal, lilligant, armarouge, indeedee, venusaur, and sableye. The main way to play is on a 2/2/2 style, but almost all of them work interchangeably really well. Only odd one out is sableye (and debatably lilligant), and the meta kinda revolves around rain a bit, so I feel like that could work well. Any obvious flaw I’ve missed?

[real prairie]

https://youtu.be/tbb9wbtu6wk?si=C8DIDZw-3PiTJ3Mc

[next stump]

I feel like venu and lilligant is a little redundant, they do mostly the same thing on that kind of composition

fast sleep powder users

with venu being worse since it doesn’t get after you

[torn parrot]

indeedee kinda blocks sableye from any targetting utility

[lofty tartan]

Yo @next stump you goin to Toronto? 😄

[next stump]

yes I am 😄

[lofty tartan]

Yoooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Finally gonna be at a Regional with you, man

My passport is en route

[solid frigate]

good luck

[next stump]

same for me! I paid expedited so I really hope it comes on time, it should easily

[solid frigate]

good luck for you two

[chrome knot]

SEE YOU THERE FOR REAL THIS TIME

keep saying omg see you there and NOT SEEING YOU

[torn parrot]

ayooo

[lofty tartan]

The government contacted me via email. I got it expedited too. They said 2 weeks from filing date, period. If I don't receive by the 8th then I need to call them. But it seems pretty solid

[torn parrot]

im rooting for all 3 of you

3 way tie

cars movie reenactment

the piston cup

[lofty tartan]

I'm having such a hard time settling on my team though. @next stump @chrome knot how do you guys settle for a regionals?

MTG it was easier. Part of the decision was "can I afford my deck" lmao

[torn parrot]

i should go to events to make friends

[lofty tartan]

I'm a pretty rigid "lone wolf" type but I've met a lot of cool people in my foray into VGC. It's just rad to meet them in the flesh and hang

I used to travel all over the country meeting people from the internet.

Was pretty cool.

[next stump]

LOL just checked the mail

[chrome knot]

i went to 3 cups over a weekend

performed and exceeded my standards

[torn parrot]

you're my friend, muscle man

[chrome knot]

went yeah this’ll be my toronto team cx

[next stump]

For me it’s usually just finding a team from a recent tournament (I am going to start looking now/right after LAIC) and GRINDING out games with it

[lofty tartan]

Sadly I don't have an option for locals to help. Our scene is impacted by recent events. Basically a TO pulled out for "reasons" and I'm gonna try to fill the gap

[next stump]

I do very little original teambuilding, mostly just tweaking items and teras from an already established team

[lofty tartan]

Well. Okay. I'm thinking about taking Delphox to Toronto. I haven't had a ton of time to play but across a few variants I'm like 17-2 with it

I just can't decide on the last two slots. The main four are basically locked in

[next stump]

If I were in that position, I’d see if I could find a successful team with Delphox and see how they filled those last 2 slots. Start tracking wins/losses and for your losses, see if team changes are necessary

[spiral ridge]

“Hey how’d you warm up for this cup”
“ two other cups”

[chrome knot]

LOL

pretty much, i played in toronto realized i wanted a diff item on kingambit

[next stump]

For Louisville, I realized during my prep that I had no Psyspam matchup. I added Ice Spinner on Dragonite a few days before, and played against 2 psyspam teams and beat both 2-0

[chrome knot]

brought it to ann arbor and did better

[lofty tartan]

My problem is that there's too many things that could fit the last two slots and I don't just wanna take like a Cloverbells team to Toronto so people know my stuff from YouTube videos xD

I'm not gonna be able to innovate or do any deep teambuilding. I'm not good enough for that yet. Just hammering the last slots out is hell lmao

I should probably just list out what teams are around and find out if I have solid answers for them and then find out what fixes bad matchups.

[near crag]

Speaking of dnite, I’ve been wondering about possible sets for him. Loaded dice scale shot is the most used, but just doesn’t click for me, but I’ve been trying out an AV set that has been working, but still, I feel like I’m not using it’s full potencial. (The whole set is stomping tantrum, ice spinner, dragon claw, espeed, with Tera normal, with good health and attack, btw).

[torn parrot]

Would you be willing to share your lineup

[lofty tartan]

It's a pretty basic core https://pokepast.es/9205c4c2d7456192

May or may not stay ghost/coaching on Sneasler. It depends on the last two slots.

We've tried Baxcalibur, meowscarada, Maushold, Arch, Dragapult, Garchomp, Gliscor, etc. Lots of stuff.

[torn parrot]

oh yea

lemme think

[spiral ridge]

This is good
Put in two and see how they do and cycle them out or notice overall team weaknesses and replace/nodify

Your team so far seems agressive so maybe mons thag answer bad match ups

Which you’ll have to find yourself

[chrome knot]

the worry shouldn’t be trying to stand out enough i think

having a team that is a common 6 that you’re confident you can pilot than the rest should be the goal

like at some point my team has been the top6 usage mons on a team xd

[molten oasis]

Noted, for after the Monster Hunter kick

[torn parrot]

just throwing a random thing out there have you tried scarf basculegion?

its a really solid 4

honestly a lot of things could be there

[lofty tartan]

Oh yeah I'm not trying to stand out with team comp or be crazy. Just have a solid six I'm comfortable with

[lofty tartan]

We have

[torn parrot]

seems like garchom would be the main hurdle right

honestly foul play does go hard into it tho

stil tho ye

[lofty tartan]

Tera Fairy Tera Blast from Delphox threatens an OHKO and she's 2 points of speed faster

[torn parrot]

ohhh

i didnt even see that

[lofty tartan]

It's Moonblast-at-home

[torn parrot]

its too solid your right

its amazing

[lofty tartan]

I wouldn't say amazing but it's good and fun to play.

[torn parrot]

oh i know

dodozo is probably a tough matchup right

NO

NOIT ISNT

what am i thinking lol

what are the tough matchups?

[lofty tartan]

Murk and strand him. We had Meow as added insurance too because Triple Axel kos a ridiculous amount of things including Charizard

Sun seems sort of tough but only if it's like HO sun. Lilligant is pinned by Sneasler and Indeedee, and if they lead TR they have to double up Indeedee or risk sash Imprison?

But it's really low usage.

Sneasler Balance and Dnite/Chomp/Ninetales seems fine.

Rain is okay. I have a good record into it

Sand is good

Tera Ground Mindeedee is nuts

Rilla/Incin/Gambit are the big things to watch out for, really.

Random dark mons

A little ev change on Sneasler and we outspeed Jumpluff in Sun. We have the option for rain or sun, or we can run Ninetales for snow and ice coverage

So many things fit

[torn parrot]

im guesing you tried primarina right

[lofty tartan]

Honestly kinda don't like it

Just seems like Sneasler food

[torn parrot]

you are not wrong

lol

well ninetales would free up a spot in place of rain dance for sure

[molten oasis]

Double fox did well

Ice coverage on that team is really nice

[lofty tartan]

Both Bax and Ninetales have been good to pressure Rilla to the end of time

Team hates ground mons

[molten oasis]

A9’s better into Bloodmoon which is picking up

I think

[lofty tartan]

Like we can even run Bloodmoon

I hate teambuilding lmfao

[torn parrot]

well

[molten oasis]

Real lmao

[torn parrot]

your 70% done

[molten oasis]

Maya this like, the same spot I typically get stuck at

[lofty tartan]

Sneasler/Indeedee is the solution to most teams so it's good

[molten oasis]

5 and 6 are really annoying to figure out usually

[lofty tartan]

Run Taunt on murkrow and add Ninetales/Garchomp

[torn parrot]

sound sgood to me