competitive_discussion

[rare pumice]

i recently saw a video analyzing incineroar numbers and that it's apparently starting to fall off

[torn parrot]

It’s not as unmanageable as it once was for sure

[polar canyon]

It's funny that it's "falling off" but still top 5 usage

[rare pumice]

covert cloak definitely stepping on incineroar's toes

[polar canyon]

Bros just that good

[polar canyon]

And clear amulet

[torn parrot]

I can’t help but feel covert cloak and clear amulet were added for a reason…

[rare pumice]

i'm kind of surprised that utility umbrella didn't pop off more than it did too, that seemed like such a big deal when i first saw it in swsh

[polar canyon]

It really never did

With the way it works it never seemed good

I heard it had some usage in smogons ubers because utility umbrella blissey was the kyogre counter but that's about it

[rare pumice]

i remember learning about how golduck finally saw some usage as an answer for primal kyogre or something when sun and moon first started just because ludicolo wasn't allowed yet

[polar canyon]

It only affects how weather affects the user

And effects of weather in moves that target the holder

So like yeah utility umbrella flamethrower is still weak in rain

[rare pumice]

dang

[torn parrot]

Yeah I remember being disappointed too

[knotty mirage]

Is it just me or does it feel like there less usage of fairy type in this reg i don't see them often as past reg

[real prairie]

yes, there are less good fairies

thus dragons dominance

[knotty mirage]

Fair enough and dhengo or sneasler also everywhere making it less desirable

[real prairie]

spot on

[knotty mirage]

But this does makes it feel like that fairy type get carried hard by flutter in this gen

[real prairie]

the highest BST in the Reg for a fairy is Florges which i think says it all

whereas Reg G has quite a few more

[rare pumice]

is azumarill an outlier right now?

[knotty mirage]

Maybe people prefer primarina over azu most of time anyway

[real prairie]

better in most instances due to ability and learnset

[torn parrot]

Ya it does

Right now primarina is hard carrying moonblast

[real prairie]

previously carried by the Topu's which aren't available in this game

[torn parrot]

Peopel hardly take it on ninetales cus

Fairy ice coverage they overlap and don’t do a ton for each other

[knotty mirage]

Tapu and xerneas all dragon type in this gen is thankful theyre not available on this gen

[torn parrot]

Happy for no fairy type dondozo

[real prairie]

better to run Freeze-dry and also cover water types

[torn parrot]

Ya and gives you that reliable single target attack in addition to that

[knotty mirage]

I mean it do get hard walled by fire and steel

[polar canyon]

And the biggest baddest dragon type atm is also steel so

[rare pumice]

is it just me or are some of the best abilities in the game the ones that emulate held items, and some of the best held items in the game are ones that emulate abilities

[polar canyon]

Yeah

[real prairie]

pretty much

[polar canyon]

It's not just you it's true

[rare pumice]

like the only outlier i can see beyond that generalization are weather abilities and huge power

[craggy dagger]

yeah
pretty much

[real prairie]

exceptions are type changing abilities which are very good but dont have an equivalent item

[polar canyon]

I'm using modest turbo ursaluna and fast weezing it's actually pretty fun

[real prairie]

pixelate, liquid voice etc

[craggy dagger]

stamina is just a universal kee berry that procs every hit

[polar canyon]

Faster than -1 timid ghold

[rare pumice]

i just learned last night that apparently snow cloak bypasses the evasion check of mind's eye??

[polar canyon]

Wanna see the team? I also want feedback

[tiny karma]

Ability: Mind's Eye

This Pokemon can hit Ghost types with Normal- and Fighting-type moves. Prevents other Pokemon from lowering this Pokemon's accuracy stat stage. This Pokemon ignores a target's evasiveness stat stage.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[polar canyon]

Evasiveness stat change

[craggy dagger]

snow cloak and bright powder aren’t stat boosts

[polar canyon]

Keyword stat change

[rare pumice]

i guess that's just another bonus towards articuno and glaceon right now then

[craggy dagger]

Mind’s eye is specifically for evasion stat boosts

[polar canyon]

Snow cloak and bright powder actually directly affects the opponents accuracy instead

[craggy dagger]

it’s still kind of a gamble thoughhhh
and not one i’m willing to take

[real prairie]

so bright powder + Snow/Sand cloak

[polar canyon]

Absolutely hate people who do that

But yeah

[craggy dagger]

1.2 evasion i think it was in total?

[polar canyon]

Bright powder sand veil garchomp is awful to fight

[rare pumice]

didn't articuno win a tournament with that when scarlet and violet first started or something

[tiny karma]

Ability: Snow Cloak

If Snow is active, the accuracy of moves used against this Pokemon is multiplied by 0.8.

Sableye version 4.28.1

Item: Bright Powder

The accuracy of attacks against the holder is 0.9x.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[polar canyon]

Can't remember if it won but it was a really funny looking set

[craggy dagger]

that one was specs snow cloak

[polar canyon]

The specs, all ice stab moves set

[tiny karma]

Ability: Sand Veil

If Sandstorm is active, the accuracy of moves used against this Pokemon is multiplied by 0.8. This Pokemon takes no damage from Sandstorm.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[polar canyon]

Specs sheer cold goes hard

[knotty mirage]

Oh so that's the reason why my archuladon miss the draco like three times when fighting sand team

[polar canyon]

1.5x ohko

[craggy dagger]

blizzard freeze dry sheer cold iirc-

[rare pumice]

something else i think i've only just now noticed is that in metas where fairys don't do well, ice do even worse, is that true?

[polar canyon]

And ice beam I think

[craggy dagger]

i suppose so yeah

what does chomp run these days-
is it sand veil?

[real prairie]

yeah going in with an inaccurate move into sand veil is awful lol

[polar canyon]

Ice is actually fine atm ninetales baxcalibur is solid

[craggy dagger]

glaceon

[rare pumice]

i thought garchomp currently ran rough skin

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 144: Articuno

Types

Ice/Flying

Abilities

Pressure, Snow Cloak (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

90/85/100/95/125/85

Total

580

Other Formes

Articuno-Galar

Sableye version 4.28.1

[real prairie]

Tera ghost Bax was crucifying me in SD

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 471: Glaceon

Type

Ice

Abilities

Snow Cloak, Ice Body (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

65/60/110/130/95/65

Total

525

Sableye version 4.28.1

[craggy dagger]

worse hp and spdef stat hm

[polar canyon]

It's meant to be slow and defensive but it also kinda isn't

65 hp hurts

[craggy dagger]

yeahhhh

[polar canyon]

Should have been 95 hp 65 spdef so it can be mostly a physical tank

[real prairie]

would be okay if it didn't need SpDef investment aswell

thus its in Wolfe top 10 most hated mons 🤣

[polar canyon]

It is?

Man the glaceon slander

Did he explain why

Love Wolfe as a cool dude and as a player but some of his opinions are wild to me

[real prairie]

early in youtube he tried to carry specific mons to top 100 in ladder, he did Leafeon easily then tried Glaceon and it was hell

[polar canyon]

Ah competitively

[real prairie]

well he now hates the mon because of it

[rare pumice]

did glaceon do alright in dynamax formats?

[polar canyon]

Yeah there's some mons I hate competitively but think are actually really damn cool

[real prairie]

absolutely not lol

[polar canyon]

Cue annihilape, sneasler

Zacian

Well zacian is fine now it was just horrible in swsh

[real prairie]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZMaxPmh4Pk

it even made the thumbnail 🤣

[polar canyon]

Never been a fan of provocative thumbnails meant to get reactions out of people

Gotta respect it, he's gotta do it to get more clicks

[real prairie]

So the purpose of a thumbnail? lol

[polar canyon]

But man it always makes me feel mildly annoyed

[rare pumice]

i think annihilape is less of an issue than the pokemon people put around annihilape to make it work in all fairness, the only thing truly disruptive about annihilape is rage fist imo

[real prairie]

rage fist will get nerfed next gen i think

[polar canyon]

Rage fist strats are fine I hate annihilape because you have to just guess wether it's normal or if it's a final gambit suicide bomber

[real prairie]

probably max out at 150 or not go up in 50 increments

[rare pumice]

final gambit isn't affected by taunt/prankster is it?

[tiny karma]

Move: Revival Blessing

A fainted party member is selected and revived with 1/2 its max HP, rounded down. Fails if there are no fainted party members.

Type

Normal

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

1 (1.6)

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Heal

Cannot be selected under Heal Block.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[polar canyon]

It's technically an attacking move I'm pretty sure

Oh nvm

[real prairie]

it is

its clasified as "Special"

[polar canyon]

Thought that bot message was final gambit for a sec lol

[real prairie]

nah was thinking about a suicide squad

[polar canyon]

"Why can't it be selected under heal block oh wait"

But yeah I'm fine fighting beat up rage fist strats

What makes me hate annihilape is that if you're not playing with ots, there's just a chance it's not actually a normal ape and it's gonna kill itself and take an important mon from you

[real prairie]

ghost types are immune to final gambit if that helps

[polar canyon]

The problem is that you can't really predict that easily

[real prairie]

this is very much a BO1 problem though

[polar canyon]

If you try to predict you may be protecting against bulk up + beat up

[polar canyon]

Yeah..

[real prairie]

would revival blessing trigger sitrus berry?

[craggy dagger]

you can always double protect T1 to scout the ape though-

[polar canyon]

While they use bulk up and do the beat up

[craggy dagger]

depends?
but i dont think so?

[polar canyon]

Probably

[craggy dagger]

haze

[real prairie]

it heals to 50% rounded down, so should do

[polar canyon]

They still got 250 bp rage fist for free

[craggy dagger]

it’s why i always lead prim into a mausape lead-

[real prairie]

bulk up turn 1, Kamakaze ape turn 2 🤣

[craggy dagger]

if i have prim-
though now im using dnite for the multiscale boost-

[polar canyon]

Studying discrete maths got my brain scrambled for pokemon

If there's still a chance for something unlikely to happen, prepare for that

It just changed my mindset lol

[real prairie]

yeah thats a dangerous mentality

goes back to what Tofu was saying about predicting

[polar canyon]

Yeah I know

[real prairie]

essentially "trying to overplay often plays yourself more"

[polar canyon]

Yeah and it's only worth going for wild predictions when it's your only option

[real prairie]

"im at a loss, whats my win condition here" mentaility

[polar canyon]

College math scrambled my brain for comp pokemon fr

If there's an annihilape, I always expect it to be final gambit but when I protect against it I always expect it to be a normal set

[craggy dagger]

use kartana to murder your own stakataka to be able to get a +1 beast boost

[real prairie]

like some W*nker getting a crit no stab earthquake KO on my 4x Def Arch with his Tyranitar

[polar canyon]

That is still such an iconic play

[polar canyon]

Even after all that I still never calc or prepare for crits, that's too much lol

[craggy dagger]

that was a risk they were willing to take
shows that risky plays pay off in the right scenarios

[polar canyon]

Sometimes the risky play is the only way to get out of a bad scenario

[real prairie]

Crits are the eternal equaliser

[polar canyon]

Sometimes predicts are based on how you've analyzed the opponents plays throughout the game or multiple games and expect some behavior

I think in that case it's valid to bet on predictions

[real prairie]

you ever watch a anime battle and think "no, no thats not okay, thats not the rules" because of competitive 🤣

[polar canyon]

I'm not smart enough to do it

But I think for smart people that's a valid play lol

I only trust my gut when my gut is wrong

[real prairie]

Exhibit A:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePZiIRUFa3E

[polar canyon]

Sometimes I watch the anime and think "that's a cool reimagining of how the move would work in a battle that's not turn based"

[craggy dagger]

rainbow pledge + fickle beam….

[polar canyon]

That works?

[craggy dagger]

yup

[tiny karma]

Move: Fickle Beam

Has a 30% chance this move's power is doubled.

Type

Dragon

Category

Special

Power

80

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[craggy dagger]

it does work
thinking of bringing it back

[polar canyon]

I never saw double power fickle beam as a secondary move effect for some reason

[real prairie]

may aswell add Sneasler to it if you are doing it

100% cheese dire claws

[polar canyon]

God I hate that lol

[craggy dagger]

trueeeee

[polar canyon]

https://pokepast.es/306ce38ee62b9996
here's a team I'm working on, feels unfinished but I'm enjoying it so far

-1 on opponent is enough for some of the speed calcs I made but I don't think I like electabuzz for that

[craggy dagger]

how does pledge move work again-
when they combine are they a dual typed move like flying press-?

or is it the typing of the first used pledge

[polar canyon]

I think they combine as the first one used

And spatk stat used is the one from the first user too

A niche little fun use for water pledge is that it's actually not affected by the redirection from storm drain

Only realistic use case for that is empoleon if you don't want to rely on hydro pump accuracy

[tiny karma]

Move: Water Pledge

If one of the user's allies chose to use Fire Pledge or Grass Pledge this turn and has not moved yet, it takes its turn immediately after the user and the user's move does nothing. If combined with Fire Pledge, the ally uses Water Pledge with 150 power and a rainbow appears on the user's side for 4 turns, which doubles secondary effect chances and stacks with the Serene Grace Ability, except effects that cause flinching can only have their chance doubled once. If combined with Grass Pledge, the ally uses Grass Pledge with 150 power and a swamp appears on the target's side for 4 turns, which quarters the Speed of each Pokemon on that side. When used as a combined move, this move gains STAB no matter what the user's type is. This move does not consume the user's Water Gem, and cannot be redirected by the Storm Drain Ability.

Type

Water

Category

Special

Power

80

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[craggy dagger]

pledge incin-

[real prairie]

sacred fire too

[craggy dagger]

mhm

skill swap water compaction…?

[tiny karma]

Ability: Water Compaction

This Pokemon's Defense is raised 2 stages after it is damaged by a Water-type move.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[real prairie]

does that make it immune to water attacks, or just have its Def raised but take the damage

[craggy dagger]

take damage but raise defense

[real prairie]

who are you thinking to skill swap it with?

[craggy dagger]

bronzong-

idk tbh
any body press user

[real prairie]

interesting

[craggy dagger]

palosand also gets chilling water

[real prairie]

i see the vision, a little gimmicky but i see it

[craggy dagger]

might be a little too gimmicky

[real prairie]

im still trying to work out a gimmick with "Doodle"

[tiny karma]

Move: Whirlwind

The target is forced to switch out and be replaced with a random unfainted ally. Fails if the target is the last unfainted Pokemon in its party, or if the target used Ingrain previously or has the Suction Cups Ability.

Type

Normal

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

20 (32)

Priority

-6

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Authentic

Bypasses substitute.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Reflectable

Affected by Magic Coat and Magic Bounce.

Wind

Triggers Wind Power and Wind Rider.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[rare pumice]

is it fair to say porygon2 is better than porygon z if they do really different things?

[real prairie]

tried it with Slaking, was meh

[craggy dagger]

prankster perish song murkrow…

[real prairie]

Quite a few ghosts in the format atm making perish trap meh

[real prairie]

depends on the task

but generalised, yes. P2 is more dominant

[craggy dagger]

wasn’t even thinking about the trap part lol

just a way to force a switch in

[real prairie]

salt cure Smeagle lol

[craggy dagger]

oh god-

[real prairie]

partner it with super fang Maus

half health + salt cure

[craggy dagger]

looking for a 6th i think

https://pokepast.es/fa91cba9129921f9

[real prairie]

id kill the speed investment in murkrow, put it in HP

[chrome knot]

https://tenor.com/view/winslow-odd-fellow-walk-in-walk-out-catdog-gif-8298707

[real prairie]

that way if it comes down to it, its lower in the death order from Perish

[torn parrot]

244 SpA Wise Glasses Walking Wake Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Urshifu: 175-207 (100 - 118.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

when the life orb is taken
its time for the 10% boost

[real prairie]

cant wait for that 10% Miss

[craggy dagger]

[chrome knot]

244+ SpA Protosynthesis Walking Wake Draco Meteor vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Urshifu-Rapid Strike: 229-271 (130.1 - 153.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

idk booster energy…?

[real prairie]

you have a 30% margin for error there... kinda feel like it doesn't need the boost lol

[chrome knot]

what

[bold geode]

Bronzong is the hardest Sneasler counter that's not that great into anything else lol

[torn parrot]

i would but outspeeding miraidon is super apealing

[bold geode]

Not only is it immune to Dire Claw but the bitch has Safeguard

[real prairie]

Nvm it does

wait

okay yeah it still does, because 7% chance to not get the OHKO

[torn parrot]

what?

[real prairie]

244+ SpA Walking Wake Draco Meteor vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Urshifu-Rapid-Strike: 340-402 (99.4 - 117.5%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO

6.2% technically

[torn parrot]

oh gotcha

yeah i wanna outspeed miraidon and scarf urshifus that would be rad

[real prairie]

yeah id go with glasses then

means dont have to worry about losing boost on switch out

[torn parrot]

walking wake is my favorite dragon type

[mighty stump]

How desperate are you lol

[bold geode]

I tried it
Didn't work lol

I'm also being called out

[mighty stump]

1/16 chance to not OHKO is acceptable lol

That really doesn’t matter significantly enough to go for a guaranteed

It’s why I go for 1/16 rolls on my defensive calcs cause it’s just more efficient

[rare pumice]

are whimsicott and primarina the only fairy types being used right now

[bold geode]

I go for rolls sometimes unless I've been constantly clapped by said roll lmao

[real prairie]

Yeah id be happy with it, but not my team

[real prairie]

Sad A9

[polar canyon]

I take rolls when I need high investment to guarantee something else

What speed control with icy wind/electroweb would you guys use if not electabuzz?

I want that bit of speed control but not weak to garchomp

https://pokepast.es/b5a9631f9a4e2fe4 here's the team for the moment

But chomp matchups feel uncomfortable

Even with prima since they often go chomp + rilla

Hear me out how about froslass?

It gets a lot of good utility, can do stuff like icy wind + wisp, resists sneasler double stab, immune to fake out

[real prairie]

i looked at froslass for a frost breath user a while back for anger point strats

landed on Cryogonal instead

[rare pumice]

it gets ice spinner too

[polar canyon]

Nah I just want the honest support froslass this time

And because it can ice beam some dragons for heavy chip/force Tera

[rare pumice]

it's a fast haze user too

[real prairie]

frost breath having a guaranteed crit makes it better than Ice beam no?

[tiny karma]

Move: Frost Breath

This move is always a critical hit unless the target is under the effect of Lucky Chant or has the Battle Armor or Shell Armor Abilities.

Type

Ice

Category

Special

Power

60

Accuracy

90

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[rare pumice]

crit increase is 50 percent bonus?

[real prairie]

thought it was double

[lofty tartan]

It is not double any more

That changed in gen 6

[rare pumice]

i would choose ice beam over frost breath then for higher accuracy and freeze chance

[real prairie]

yeah its 50% my bad

but its 50% plus ignore stat changes

[dull ibex]

hello

[solid frigate]

hoi

[real prairie]

sup

[craggy dagger]

[solid frigate]

sup

[dull ibex]

https://pokepast.es/ee603bf99568690f

modifying this\\

[torn parrot]

A while ago

I wasted all my tm materials on gambling

[dull ibex]

I will absolutely stick to this btw

[torn parrot]

And I live to regret it 😩

[rare pumice]

i don't understand why chien-pao got to be so fast but not chi-yu

[atomic portal]

i wasted all my tm mats on llb max

[cold marten]

Hey can someone give me one pokemon to beat scarlet

[atomic portal]

spidops

[cold marten]

@atomic portal ok just out of curiosity do you breed spidops

[lofty tartan]

Chi-Yu is base 100. That's not slow.

[bold geode]

Yeah
Also doesn't help that right there you're basically comparing it to a fucking track star

Ngl though
I hate using Chien Pao for its speed lmao

Like I looked at a few teams in Reg G like "Chien Pao could work well" but I hate the ideas of speed ties so fuckin much that I just refuse lmao

Like there's already so many factors and RNG in this bitch, I don't want to have a win come down to a coin flip like that and having 4 mons potentially tying each other is just not that great

[torn parrot]

I’m tryna do a masterball climb rq but I think nobody is on ladder

Oh sweet nice

Got one

[rare pumice]

i have heard mixed opinions on if gouging fire is good or not

[craggy dagger]

fire has overall positive results though

at least until restricted hit-

[rustic mountain]

yea it was good b4 restricted meta hit, fell off a cliff after that tho

[rustic mountain]

cuz ur doing it the 2nd to last day of the ladder

[dapper gorge]

Is hypnosis + dream eater worth using in competitive? (with Spiritomb)

[torn parrot]

I might as well watch a show while I try to slog through this

[foggy lodge]

Flutter Mane usually doesn't tie

Because it's either played with booster energy speed or with Groudon/Koraidon to activate the speed boost

Against Miraidon and Koraidon is shit tho

[craggy dagger]

??

[torn parrot]

Yayyyeeeee

Got my ribbons

I’m FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

weeeeeewooooo

7-2

Now I can sleep soundly with my ribbons

And finish building the furret team in game

[dull ibex]

https://pokepast.es/23374d577acd9ad4

does this just need delphox?

[torn parrot]

No that is indeed

A classic

[dull ibex]

its really hard to play

[torn parrot]

What are some hard matchups

[dull ibex]

everything I dont get the team

[torn parrot]

Like you can’t get trick room up?

[dull ibex]

yeah

[torn parrot]

Things like imprison? And reversing it?

[dull ibex]

things dying

[torn parrot]

What’s the main way they stop the basic follow me trick room

Sorry for all the questions it’s just tryna get the specifics

[dull ibex]

I would to have shown you games

I don't have any saved atm though

[rustic mountain]

[chrome knot]

treetreetree

[rustic mountain]

yo

[chrome knot]

haaaiiii

for ONCE im not considering a big team change

[spiral ridge]

wooo

[rustic mountain]

its good tho to want to improve ur team but ofc better wen uve settled on something lol

[chrome knot]

actually i did change something

[rustic mountain]

[chrome knot]

i made sneasler coherent lmao

[rustic mountain]

watd u wind up deciding

[chrome knot]

its @ sash, ghost dire claw cc protect coaching

[rustic mountain]

ahh ok nice

felt like u missed having protect w/ fo/coaching?

[chrome knot]

coaching dnite/gambit or defensive into p2 could be kinda crazy

yes ive been yearning for protect turns

[rustic mountain]

feel that

protect is goated

[real prairie]

I genuinely want to throw my switch at a wall, why is ladder so much more random than SD 😭🤣

Trick room whimsicott with a whims and Sneasler lead

I don't understand

[torn parrot]

Not sure

[rare pumice]

is ice spinner now the standard physical ice type move

[torn parrot]

I feel like

I always prefer ice spinner

Only time I think about it is if I have terrain

Damn the Emily situation is crazy

[real prairie]

?

[torn parrot]

What?

[real prairie]

That or icicle crash

[real prairie]

What sitch, what's the gos

[real prairie]

Spear even

[torn parrot]

Nah I’m fuckin with you
Just keep seeing these damn “the blank situation is crazy” thumbnails

It’s the new YouTube meta

Everybody is a drama channel

Everybody uses the same title

[real prairie]

🤣

Noted for my next YT upload lol

[rare pumice]

i just learned that apparently skill link and loaded dice do have an actual affect on triple axel

[torn parrot]

Wait what

That’s real?

Nah that can’t be right

[rare pumice]

apparently they make it so triple axel only has one accuracy check instead of three

[tiny karma]

Move: Triple Axel

Hits three times. Power increases to 40 for the second hit and 60 for the third. This move checks accuracy for each hit, and the attack ends if the target avoids a hit. If one of the hits breaks the target's substitute, it will take damage for the remaining hits. If the user has the Skill Link Ability, this move will always hit three times.

Type

Ice

Category

Physical

Power

20

Accuracy

90

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[torn parrot]

D:

Oh wow

[rare pumice]

is wonderful

[solid frigate]

yep get ready for my Loaded Dice Triple Axel Meowscarada

[tiny karma]

Move: Population Bomb

Hits ten times. This move checks accuracy for each hit, and the attack ends if the target avoids a hit. If one of the hits breaks the target's substitute, it will take damage for the remaining hits. If the user has the Skill Link Ability, this move will always hit ten times. If the user is holding Loaded Dice, this move hits four to ten times at random without checking accuracy between hits.

Type

Normal

Category

Physical

Power

20

Accuracy

90

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

Slicing

Boosted by Sharpness.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[solid frigate]

[torn parrot]

D:

[real prairie]

That on a pledge team could be vile

[torn parrot]

It works on pop bomb

[rare pumice]

what do the three different pledges do?

[torn parrot]

not that it matters tho

[torn parrot]

Swamp is the god pledge

They’ll probably tell you all the pledges

in a sec

[real prairie]

Rainbow doubles secondary chances, swamp removes 3/4 opp speed, other one is damage 1/8 per turn

[solid frigate]

Grass+Fire (Sea of Fire,Makes Opponent Took Damage per turn)
Grass Water (Swamp,Reduces speed by 1 stage i think)
Fire+Water (rainbow,Increase Secondary Chances

[rare pumice]

the grass fire one?

[torn parrot]

Swamp is super good

[rare pumice]

is the type that the move hits with dependant on who moves first as well?

[real prairie]

Swamp removes 3/4 of your opponent speed

[solid frigate]

it would be real funny to use rainbow with Excadrill

(You know what i mean)

[dull ibex]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2233607663 based

[torn parrot]

Yeah your opponent has 1/4th speed

It’s wacky beats tailwind

[real prairie]

Type Is always whichever is super effective, damage is taken from the slower mons Sp Atk

[solid frigate]

it would be funny if I use Iron Head Gambit or Excadrill to troll people

[torn parrot]

Nah that’s a common misconception

Swamp is grass
Rainbow is water
Fire is fire

[real prairie]

Rainbow only improves flinch on the first flinch not following flinches

[rare pumice]

i wonder if there were any pledge teams for charizard y + chlorophyll venusaur back in the day

[solid frigate]

i know

[torn parrot]

I feel like

Next gen

Charizard Y + venusaur pledge

Time to go crazy

[rare pumice]

it's like a pseudo gmax wildfire

[solid frigate]

Gen 6 VGC:

[molten oasis]

how about

no mega, new mechanic

[torn parrot]

That seems so fucking strong that’s literally like a 150 base power fire move in the sun

[rare pumice]

i thought the power was 180 even before sun

[dull ibex]

no more gimmicks is ideal

[torn parrot]

Oh it was actually 160

Dayum…

[solid frigate]

you can literlly create nukes in gen 6

[molten oasis]

how do you hook people into the next gen then

[dull ibex]

the new mons?

lol the region mons and such are the draw not the gimmick

[solid frigate]

i don't think Tera hooked that much Casual Fans lol

[molten oasis]

nvm im dumb

[dull ibex]

unless you bring back megas

that will hook alot of casuals short term

[molten oasis]

i woudn't mind a new gimmick, i just dont want megas

[dull ibex]

I genuinely believe we should stick to megas or stop doing gimmicks

[torn parrot]

Tera is really cool

Kinda ready to be able to hit things without them turning into a water type tho

[solid frigate]

yeah casual Fans are like

Megas>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dynamax=Z-Moves>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Teras

[dull ibex]

megas have visual appeal

and can be nerfed

[rare pumice]

if i have a water type using waterfall with the splash plate, is the game calculated as (80x1.5)x1.2 or 80+50%+20%

[dull ibex]

tera is only interesting because its balanced

[torn parrot]

Did you play mega vgc

I havnt
I kinda wanna experience it

[molten oasis]

from what i've heard

[solid frigate]

i tried it before in Showdown

Miserable.

[dull ibex]

everyone's favorite formats are megas

[molten oasis]

its is super centralizing, and that doesn't sound fun

[torn parrot]

Oh ):

[dull ibex]

its not that bad

[solid frigate]

there is only like 5 or maybe 7 if you are generous

[dull ibex]

primal groudon and primal kyogre

[torn parrot]

I havnt heard anything good from competitive players about it

[dull ibex]

and mega ray

then you have alot of room after that to support them

[solid frigate]

this is just restricteds

[torn parrot]

I wanan play mega mawile
She’s my favorite pokemon

[rare pumice]

aren't restricted formats also kind of centralizing?

[dull ibex]

yes and restricteds is all that matters

[molten oasis]

i dont hate the idea of a "support the kaiju" kind of game

[torn parrot]

Actually i have like 3 favorite pokemon

[solid frigate]

and i think they did not even limit any megas

[real prairie]

Really? Must be a really common misconception because pretty sure that's what Wolfe said during his invitational too. But then that wouldn't surprise me either, it's really poorly documented

[dull ibex]

https://www.pokemon.com/us/play-pokemon/worlds/2016/teams/masters drago take a look at this

there is alot of variety here

[molten oasis]

im also just not that interested in playing mega's

[solid frigate]

please do not debate on it rn or i am gonna explode

[torn parrot]

Yeah I watched that video he was also mistaken because it’s a niche mechanic

[dull ibex]

https://www.pokemon.com/us/play-pokemon/worlds/2017/vgc-masters here is 2017

[molten oasis]

its still centralizing

[dull ibex]

yes drago everything is centralized

thats how a meta usually works

[molten oasis]

heavily centralized

[dull ibex]

we are heavily centralized rn

[real prairie]

So many things on Pokémon are poorly documented and vague lol

[molten oasis]

this format is very open imo

[dull ibex]

there was more variety in these formats then there is rn

at a top level

[molten oasis]

red, im not a top lvl player

[dull ibex]

I dont care

[molten oasis]

im not refering to top level play

[real prairie]

Too damn open, ladder is a mess 🤣

[dull ibex]

nobody talking rn as far as im aware is a top level player

[molten oasis]

im refering to my level of play right now

[dull ibex]

also low ladder is too open

[molten oasis]

which is like average

[dull ibex]

its annoyingly violatile

[solid frigate]

[rare pumice]

i think i just miss mega lucario

[solid frigate]

i actually just miss Mega Metagross and Mega Salamence

[rare pumice]

i use to dislike mega salamence but i appreciate the diversity of its sets now

[tiny karma]

Move: Scale Shot

Hits two to five times. Lowers the user's Defense by 1 stage and raises the user's Speed by 1 stage after the last hit. Has a 35% chance to hit two or three times and a 15% chance to hit four or five times. If one of the hits breaks the target's substitute, it will take damage for the remaining hits. If the user has the Skill Link Ability, this move will always hit five times.

Type

Dragon

Category

Physical

Power

25

Accuracy

90

PP (max)

20 (32)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[torn parrot]

Ye lol

I beleived it too until my swamp pledge didn’t turn into a water type move against kingambit or incin

It’s kinda like a widespread misinfo

[molten oasis]

there's variety in where the top level players are, i dont think it would have been the same at my level cuz the top level players know how to effectively utilize lower usage mons

[real prairie]

Then why the hell is everyone running a rocky helmet Mon 🤣

[dull ibex]

I just think you are overly agreesive towards megas (I am too)

[molten oasis]

i do not think a lot of people at my level know how to do that so it feels more centralized there

lol

[dull ibex]

I cant spell im half braindead

[real prairie]

We understood dw

[solid frigate]

Special Attacking Mega Salamence my Beloved

[molten oasis]

i dont want megas, i'd be okay with them cuz i'd only use mawile, but i dont really want them

[dull ibex]

I think we need to stick to one and refine it

[real prairie]

Still hate the design

[dull ibex]

if its tera fine if its megas its fine

[molten oasis]

no dynamax

[dull ibex]

if its z moves 😨

[molten oasis]

dynamax sucks

[dull ibex]

ill take that over z moves

tailwind but now my crit is boosted by two

[molten oasis]

i agree

[torn parrot]

I also think dynamax sucks

[dull ibex]

dynamax made me a bad player

and made me hate restricteds

[rare pumice]

when i first played pokemon y i found a baby riolu and immediately added it to my team not knowing what it was because it was my first pokemon game, and when it finally evolved i didn't know it was because it liked me, and then they just gave me another one out of nowhere

[torn parrot]

I’m sure that our brains are gonna be fucked up by tera next gen

[dull ibex]

I want megas back because they look cool

[real prairie]

Tera and mega are the only permanent gimmick for the duration of the game right? Z moves were 1 shots and dynamax was 1 shot for 3 turns

[solid frigate]

Yeah

[molten oasis]

yea

[rare pumice]

how would revival blessing work with a fainted mega pokemon

would it come back mega??

[molten oasis]

they woudn't be mega'd? idk

[torn parrot]

That makes sense

[molten oasis]

similar to tera where you dont get it back

[torn parrot]

Liek reviving palafin

[dull ibex]

bloodmoon feels like a mega

[real prairie]

Would making megas revert back if they switch out make them more balanced?

As it feels there is zero downsides to mega

[solid frigate]

technically,All Paradoxes Feels like Mega Evo in someway in comp

[dull ibex]

except garchomp

mega chomp is worse

[rare pumice]

bloodmoon really surprises me i've never heard of just a brand new event form of a pokemon that you can't get any other way like that beyond like the spiky eared pichu

[real prairie]

Tera there are downsides if you tera into something that you end up weaker too later

[solid frigate]

give it sand rush or tough claws

And give back its speed please-

[dull ibex]

agreed

make it a good transformation

[molten oasis]

or even better we dont give psuedo legends megas

[dull ibex]

dont agree

I think we keep the prexisting ones

and fix garchomp

[molten oasis]

im saying new ones

[solid frigate]

technically only 2 are considered Good lmao

[dull ibex]

give pult a mega and give it bulky >:)

[molten oasis]

cuz we dont need more mega psuedos

[torn parrot]

I’m in the camp of soft rework every pokemon that has ever existed

[molten oasis]

pult would be the only one i'd accept

[rare pumice]

i think mega beedrill should just be given dazzling for no reason just to help it live longer from avoiding sucker punches but idk if there's anything that could do that for beedrill at this point

[molten oasis]

cuz pult is cool asf

[dull ibex]

pult getting bulk or even more attack is absurd

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 330: Flygon

Types

Ground/Dragon

Abilities

Levitate

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

80/100/80/80/80/100

Total

520

Sableye version 4.28.1

[solid frigate]

shut up

its not worth it

[molten oasis]

oh, uh

megas, and the ruins

[dull ibex]

YES

[rare pumice]

i want flygon to have shield powder it makes perfect sense it literally has safety goggles built into its face

[dull ibex]

DO IT GAMEFREAK

[molten oasis]

[real prairie]

I'm still pissed off they swapped the evolutions for flygon and salamance

[torn parrot]

Poor guy just needs a ground move

[solid frigate]

dunno why Flygon should be Dragon Bug

its literally worse than its og typing-

You making levitate ability fucking pointless-

[molten oasis]

i love when mega mence and chi yu murder my team with spread hyper voice

[rare pumice]

shield powder for flygon and fur coat for furret then i'll be happy

[molten oasis]

oh that sounds fucking gross lmao

[torn parrot]

I agree flygon being dragon ground makes literally no sense whatsoever

[torn parrot]

YAYYYYYY FURRET IS META

Too bad that’ll never happen

[bold geode]

Love the megas talk that doesn't pertain to shit rn

[molten oasis]

[solid frigate]

but funny thing is that making Bug and Dragon type Flygon makes Levitate Pointless lmao-

shit wrong ping

[molten oasis]

they got bored

[torn parrot]

Indeed

[bold geode]

Yeah yeah
Deez nuts got em

[molten oasis]

fun fact i love taking no damage instead of resisted damage

[solid frigate]

POV when comp chat is bored but they hate Legendary

[dull ibex]

who let monke back

[solid frigate]

burn him lol

[bold geode]

Kiss my ass babe

[dull ibex]

im using egg now btw

[rare pumice]

do you think there will be a day when draco meteor is no longer exclusive to dragon pokemon

[molten oasis]

egg?

[bold geode]

Ok

[dull ibex]

yes egg

[molten oasis]

wtf is egg

[bold geode]

Eggy

[real prairie]

Smeargle says hi

[bold geode]

Bitch don't know eggy smh

[dull ibex]

Stella

[molten oasis]

i dont think so, but maybe

i dont get it guys what

[bold geode]

Maybe when you're older

[molten oasis]

is it a pokemon???

[dull ibex]

yes

[bold geode]

Red don't tell him

[molten oasis]

you're using chancey?

[bold geode]

He don't see the vision

[real prairie]

Wrong egg

Think plural

[bold geode]

Nah

[torn parrot]

I found two!!!

Arceus and mew

[molten oasis]

i just got it

[bold geode]

Ain't no way boy

[rare pumice]

does mew learn it because it's a tr now

[bold geode]

We could've gaslit Drago

[torn parrot]

I dunno

[molten oasis]

i think, exeggutor?

[bold geode]

No

[rare pumice]

togepi

[molten oasis]

togekiss isnt in the game

[dull ibex]

ignore monke its tthis one

[bold geode]

I want Togekiss

[molten oasis]

ok

[dull ibex]

im using the psyspam team

[bold geode]

This guy

[molten oasis]

ah, cool

[solid frigate]

god forbid i have any ideas please

[dull ibex]

im using my own spreads

[real prairie]

Stocky or long egg?

[molten oasis]

im on delphox a9 stuff rn

double fox is gas

[real prairie]

LOOOL

[torn parrot]

What the fuck

[solid frigate]

stfu

[molten oasis]

spammers

[real prairie]

Daniel my guy, wrong crowd

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/daleks-exterminate-doctor-who-whovian-gif-10468156

[molten oasis]

what fucking crowd is that ok in lol

[rare pumice]

i think the moment to ask my question has now passed... ;c

[molten oasis]

what was ur question

[real prairie]

Although them vitamins be getting spenny lol

[solid frigate]

@tranquil kraken hello we need some bot extermination

[atomic mural]

[rare pumice]

i watched a youtube video of buffing gen 3 pokemon and their idea was to add a new category of moves called spin moves and they gave spinda an ability where each time it spins it gets an omni boost for a buff, so what pokemon can you think of a cool interesting buff for like that

[molten oasis]

HAHAHAHA LMFAO

[real prairie]

Do you want to get into that discussion? Lool

[molten oasis]

that emoji is awesome

[atomic mural]

Moxie boosted was cooking

[rare pumice]

indeed

[solid frigate]

thanks ili

[real prairie]

Thought so lol

Thanks @tranquil kraken

[gentle crag]

oneofakindof has given 1 Gen Rep to ongepast

[molten oasis]

uh, give a9 more special attack

[solid frigate]

or Koumus

[molten oasis]

[torn parrot]

That emote is perfect lol

[molten oasis]

oh yk what pokemon should get tough claws

[tiny karma]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani/golisopod.gif

[rare pumice]

zeraora?

[real prairie]

Castform need a buff

[molten oasis]

BUFF MY BOY GOLISOPOD

[tranquil kraken]

[molten oasis]

stupid ability

[tranquil kraken]

i come back to six pings

[spiral ridge]

:3

[tranquil kraken]

[molten oasis]

wild lol

[spiral ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/virtual-insanity-template-virtual-insanity-rearranging-furnitures-going-to-ohio-gif-27710296

[molten oasis]

i wonder if i can use gifs now

[real prairie]

A couple were just thanks TBF lol

[gentle crag]

You gave Gen Rep too recently. You can give Gen Rep again <t:1730239022:R>.

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/transformers-one-orion-pax-optimus-prime-oh-yeah-watch-this-transform-joke-gif-365302506655928639

[spiral ridge]

im watching

[rare pumice]

would lanturn go off with dazzling or does it need volt absorb too much

[molten oasis]

nope,

[solid frigate]

oh yeah can you help drago to remove his preimer Ball role

[molten oasis]

lanturn needs uh

[spiral ridge]

jesus hes about to have 6 more

[molten oasis]

a lot to work

[tranquil kraken]

done

[solid frigate]

Nothing

thanks

[molten oasis]

ty ili

[real prairie]

Lava plume + well baked body is tempting

[tranquil kraken]

any other roles u want back? or is that it

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-celebration-woohoo-jumping-gif-25834998

nah thats all

[tranquil kraken]

o7

[molten oasis]

just wanted access to gifs lol

[solid frigate]

it would be pretty funny if they gif still does not work

[tranquil kraken]

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/transformers-one-orion-pax-optimus-prime-oh-yeah-watch-this-transform-joke-gif-365302506655928639

[rare pumice]

that scene made me feel sad

[real prairie]

That's enough, take them back off em

Kidding

[molten oasis]

im going back to gundam

[real prairie]

Not at all competitive related but the rest of the chat barely has been for an hour so hoping it slides... Anyone know when next episode of Dandadan is out?

[solid frigate]

i don't watch that so idk

[rare pumice]

idk what it is to begin with

[real prairie]

Recently new anime on a critically acclaimed manga series

[rare pumice]

i wish let's go eevee had been more popular

[real prairie]

Than what? Lol

Let's go Pika?

[rare pumice]

no just popular enough to have gotten a sequel

but maybe in 20 years it will who knows

[real prairie]

I mean, apparently let's go johto games are still on the cards

[molten oasis]

hell no

there's bette games to make lol

[real prairie]

They have that 2nd company now, it wouldn't be a game freak production

[rare pumice]

i watched a video oversimplifying the legal reasons why pokemon showdown is still active so i am now a law expert

[molten oasis]

neat

[solid frigate]

please god no i don't want to go back to Kanto AGAIN

[molten oasis]

but its johto

[real prairie]

Imagine they may just do the johto part

Since it's a let's go

[molten oasis]

lets go johto, to kanto

[rare pumice]

let's go eevee is my favorite shiny hunting game

[molten oasis]

oh yea, what would the mascots be

[solid frigate]

Wooper and what

[real prairie]

Somewhat unpopular opinion: shinies are too easy to get now

[molten oasis]

furret

[rare pumice]

i always imagined togepi and pichu for some reason

[molten oasis]

ah yes gigabuffed pichu and togepi

[solid frigate]

Pichu just make it as Lets Go Pikachu 2 basically

[real prairie]

Could do Espeon and umbreon, you get an Eevee in both games and they evolve to the opposite mons depending on title

[rare pumice]

you have now sold me now pls make the game for me

[real prairie]

Togepi and Marill is said a lot though

[solid frigate]

i mean it makes a bit sense

[molten oasis]

lets go larvitar and dratini

[real prairie]

Elekid and magby

[molten oasis]

the lets go games in galar will just be lets go urshifu

[rare pumice]

how far away do you think we are from the dystopian future of big name companies just releasing early access games and just cancelling them if they don't meet an expected profit within a given amount of time

[solid frigate]

why-

[molten oasis]

they have 2 forms

and what else would you really do

yamper and nikit

or whatever the dark fox was

[real prairie]

Wooloo

[rare pumice]

just have two different let's go wooloo games

[molten oasis]

ig wooloo and yamper makes sense

[real prairie]

Toxel

[molten oasis]

i haven't played any lets go games

never got around to it

[real prairie]

They are fun, but massively dummed down

More so than even recent main series titles

Which is why I think legends was a breath of fresh air to older pokefans

[molten oasis]

i dont mind if the game is easy tbf

i mind if its too easy tho

[real prairie]

It's not battle focused

Like almost at all

And the catch mechanics having to be gyroscope is a put off

I'd have liked to use my analogs 🤣

[molten oasis]

ic

[real prairie]

If you play on a TV with joycons it's less problematic

But as someone that plays 90% handheld it became annoying

Especially getting catch chains for shinies 🤣

It was clearly game freaks test ground for wild area and subsequently SV though

[real prairie]

I need more ludicolo merch, may genuinely have to commission some at some point if Pokémon Company don't provide for me

[rare pumice]

what is the most competitively viable dinosaur?

[real prairie]

As in fossil Mon or actual dinosaur based mon

[rare pumice]

no i mean like actual dinosaurs in history

[torn parrot]

Probably the raptor

It has a good speed stat

[real prairie]

Triceratops and Brachiosaurus TR team

[rare pumice]

the triceratops probably up there, not big enough to be unsustainable long term, big defenses, and surprisingly good damage too

it's counterplay could probably easily avoid its skull bash though

[real prairie]

Spinosaurus is straight damage Mon

Glass cannon

[rare pumice]

it has swift swim too probably

[real prairie]

Velociraptors fast support Mon

[torn parrot]

I’m literally about to just farm 80 million materials of every popular move

[rare pumice]

huh

[torn parrot]

I’m sick of being out of materials

[real prairie]

Running the machine?

[torn parrot]

I gambled them all away at the poke lottery

Yes

[lethal escarp]

anyone wanna battle me right now?

[torn parrot]

not anymore tho

[real prairie]

Haha you and me both, really wish TMs were still purchasable

[real prairie]

#1046572041421197352

[torn parrot]

I wiiish
But you know what I’ll take this above the swsh system

Where it was rng

[lethal escarp]

if i post a battle request in there do ppl actually respond fast

[real prairie]

I love the poke lotto for money, it feeds my vitamin addiction but my god I have no TM materials lol

[real prairie]

Depends if someone wants to battle lol but usually yes

[lethal escarp]

ok i put one in there thanks

we'll see who's brave enough to face me..

[balmy glen]

lol

[chrome knot]

take the bait…

[balmy glen]

real

[chrome knot]

@rustic mountain ok something changed

[rustic mountain]

[polar canyon]

Thinking about froslass

[torn parrot]

GUESS WHAT

IM GETTING PIZZA

https://tenor.com/view/cat-pizza-catpizza-begcat-catbeg-gif-22351867

It’s been SOOOO LONG

[chrome knot]

YAAAAYY PIZZAAAAAAA

sharing? :c

[torn parrot]

Yesssss

Everybody can have a slice

[solid frigate]

yey

[chrome knot]

YAAY!!!!

I love pziza :c

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/hellmo-pizza-fire-creed-hellmo-pizza-fire-gif-26018511

[pallid hare]

https://tenor.com/view/pizza-toaster-shove-gif-18275793

[polar canyon]

I think I have a team I wanna use for ranked ladder

https://pokepast.es/8ae5ce4a53b79d10 look at this crew

It's actually doing pretty well

[chrome knot]

pretending I did not see this

[polar canyon]

It works better than you'd think

172 speed weezing is the way fr

And ursa outspeeding -1 timid ghold

[torn parrot]

So weezing is for just being disruptive?

[polar canyon]

Pretty much

And it works quite well

[torn parrot]

Hmm I mean if it works then follow your gut

[polar canyon]

Disrupting meta defining abilities is like, pretty good

And when not doing that it still gets to throw wisps left and right

[torn parrot]

Froslass position is probably very flexible

[polar canyon]

Yeah I'm not set on it yet

Just want the -1 speed control I did calcs for

[torn parrot]

Could be like a dragapult

When prankster tailwind is shut off you can freely just click your outrage or stuff

[polar canyon]

And preferably something that doesn't feel too threatened by sneasler and garchomp

Need something to throw out icy wind/electroweb for ursa to outspeed ghold

Froslass looked fine so I did that

Offensive sinistcha is underrated

Even against resists I'm getting solid 40-50% hits with +2 matcha gotcha after acid spray

That also means, so much healing

Lil guy never dies

[torn parrot]

I wouldn’t call froslass good into dragapult Sneasler tbh

The sash helps tho

[polar canyon]

Into pult sneasler I'm usually taking weezing incin

Intimidate on the deactivated clear body

Then throw wisp around with weezing

Don't take the free fake out because half the time sneasler goes tera ghost

Weezing really clicked with me I find it so fun to use

And I'm not even doing the goofy stuff like slaking

What you could call a gimmick is the shield incin

Incin is rough into the new meta because there's 2 defiant and some clear body around, and rain is pretty prevalent, but what if there was a certain gen 1 poison pokemon that could deactivate clear body, defiant and drizzle

[strange fjord]

pizza time

[rustic mountain]

incins still great

[bold geode]

Incin a baller

[rustic mountain]

incins like jamal crawford in the way that dude is gna put up 20 on u regardless if hes starting or on the bench

[chrome knot]

read his life and he jus had to go to bed

[torn parrot]

@rustic mountain

[rustic mountain]

i saw this earlier

[dull ibex]

do you think if i recreated the eggy team with my mons the same leads and stuff work?

[mighty stump]

Expand

[dull ibex]

https://pokepast.es/b91167703cdb3aa2 same team

but 252

[mighty stump]

So jjst

Not using spreads then

[dull ibex]

ye

[mighty stump]

I mean

Ig

[dull ibex]

fair

im really struggling with the team tbh

[mighty stump]

I mean

It’s psyspam

It’s not super strong at this point in time

[dull ibex]

what is super strong rn?

[mighty stump]

Plus sure spreads aren’t super important but they are there for a reason

Lol

Like I think you need to also stop defaulting to standard spreads so much without intention

[dull ibex]

I used the rental for a little bit after that

I wasnt having much more luck tbh

[mighty stump]

https://x.com/vgcdata/status/1848042134651457698?s=46&t=NSIK9f9OViHUJnm37QZcEQ

VGC Data (@VGCdata) on X

📊 Lille Regionals metagame report [Reg H]

228 teams from players at X-3 or better

Top 256 teams: https://t.co/2DNGtaV2dj

▶️ Individual Pokémon usage stats + top cut teams
🔽 Usage trends, team compositions and cores

Twitter · Oct 20, 2024, 4:42 PM

[dull ibex]

no dual beat up teams in the top 32?

[dull ibex]

I also use them because of alot teams dont have evs avaiable

[knotty mirage]

Alolan ninetales have more usage than peli that's surprising snow is more used in this reg than rain

[dull ibex]

snow is good now

[knotty mirage]

F for sandstorm and sun

[dull ibex]

sun is still okaty

sun is doing well so is sand

all 4 weathers are doing well so far

[knotty mirage]

Fair enough in past reg as far i can tell only sun and rain that is usable now we can use all 4 of them

[dull ibex]

snow has been most of the time

[knotty mirage]

I don't see it often as now not on reg G that is

[dull ibex]

It wasn't used in restricts for sure

[knotty mirage]

Yeah with kyogre and koraidon dominance when we can get restricted that set up sandstorm or snow

[solid frigate]

i don't think Koraidon was that dominant as we thought of lmao

[knotty mirage]

I mean as weather setter

[solid frigate]

yeah sure Koraidon was the defacto sun user,but idk

[knotty mirage]

It def have more usage than groudon that is

[torn parrot]

GAH

IV BEEN ATATCKED

BY CRINGE CHILDHOOD MEMORIES

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-bocchi-the-rock-anime-cringe-freak-out-gif-27026752

[solid frigate]

ah yes

[molten oasis]

what cringe childhood memories?

why isnt night slash a tm

why does zamazenta get moonblast

[rare pumice]

did black and white technically have a generational gimmic by adding hidden abilities

[knotty mirage]

Prolly just for filler move that same as zacian they both almost have same movepool anyway

[balmy glen]

Why wouldn’t it 🙂

[molten oasis]

its not a fairy type

[knotty mirage]

Tbf yeah it's kinda weird especially when there some fairy type who really want it the most like magearna who doesn't even get moon blast

[balmy glen]

But he’s just a wee Zama

That taps u with body press 🙂

[molten oasis]

zama is a fighting steel type it makes no sense for it to get moonblast, but it could also be worse

chien pao gets recover

[knotty mirage]

They really want to makes bulky chien pao a thing i guess

[molten oasis]

it has no bulk for it lol

[solid frigate]

Gen 9 Moveset presentation be like

like why the fuck Miraidon has Dazzling Gleam-

(wait is there another Dragon that gets a Fairy move that is not Mega Altaria

[molten oasis]

dragalge gets play rough

[knotty mirage]

Dazzling gleam on miraidon still makes some sense for me at least but sword dance on miraidon that's the real question

[molten oasis]

wait what? lmao

[solid frigate]

SWORD DANCE???

[tiny karma]

Miraidon's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Body Slam, Crunch, Dragon Claw, Dragon Tail, Facade, Giga Impact, Heavy Slam, Outrage, Supercell Slam, Take Down, U-turn, Wild Charge, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Charge Beam, Dazzling Gleam, Discharge, Draco Meteor, Dragon Breath, Dragon Pulse, Electro Ball, Electro Drift, Flash Cannon, Hyper Beam, Mirror Coat, Overheat, Parabolic Charge, Power Gem, Shock Wave, Snarl, Solar Beam, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunder Shock, Thunderbolt, Volt Switch

Status Moves

Agility, Calm Mind, Charge, Confuse Ray, Dragon Cheer, Eerie Impulse, Electric Terrain, Endure, Helping Hand, Light Screen, Metal Sound, Protect, Reflect, Rest, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Swords Dance, Taunt, Thunder Wave

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Miraidon.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[solid frigate]

W H A T

[knotty mirage]

With how many times i see people on random raid using it and still use special attack move yep

[solid frigate]

gen 9 moveset be like

the only way i can see physical Attacking Miraidon exists is just NO

[molten oasis]

i took a garchomp with bad iv's into the gc a month ago LOL

[knotty mirage]

Well it does exist with how many people on online raid using it i just can't count how many times i see people using wild charge on miraidon

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 1008: Miraidon

Types

Electric/Dragon

Abilities

Hadron Engine

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/85/100/135/115/135

Total

670

Sableye version 4.28.1

[molten oasis]

its not even good attack

[solid frigate]

LMAO

[solid frigate]

if i see a wild charge Miraidon in Ranked Cart i will cry

[knotty mirage]

[solid frigate]

N o.

[molten oasis]

lol

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-screaming-cat-scream-meme-red-eyes-gif-26345204

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/transformers-one-orion-pax-optimus-prime-oh-yeah-watch-this-transform-joke-gif-365302506655928639

(im going to bed)

[solid frigate]

alr

[knotty mirage]

Night then

[real prairie]

Good morning

[solid frigate]

already awake am at school

[real prairie]

Was not aware you were still in school 🤣

yeah ive been up a lil while working

[solid frigate]

i woke up in 6 am lmao

[real prairie]

LOL yeah im too old for that now, hit 30 a couple weeks ago

[solid frigate]

i'm 18 and i am in level 3 course lmao

[real prairie]

im usually up til 2am so the idea of getting up at 6am is a myth lol

[solid frigate]

how trying to do full time education and being a Pokemon/Splatoon Comp Player do to a mf:

literally me

[real prairie]

yep, full time job + 3 kids + comp pokemon.

[solid frigate]

3 Kids damn-

[real prairie]

so ive decided to give up the kids

(kidding)

[solid frigate]

bruh lol

i mean now you understand my elo is lower than average normal VGC Players (1400-1600+)

Because i have another comp game+School

[real prairie]

yeah i get you, when i was your age i was trying to be a competitive fifa player. now im old i need to rely on turn based gaming instead of something that requires my hand eye coordination 🤣

[solid frigate]

i mean for Splatoon,its kinda the same but i mean its fun to play in comp so i don't mind about it too much

Its more like can i balance on VGC and Splatoon

[real prairie]

god forbid the tournaments are ever on the same day 🤣

[solid frigate]

its mostly in weekends it makes lots of sense

For me it depends if i can make content on Both Comp games depends if i can handle both of them(I could,just need some time

[next stump]

LOL

pokémon is great because the average playerbase at regionals is easily 25 or higher

[solid frigate]

in age?

[real prairie]

Happy Pokemon TCGP day EU

[next stump]

yeah

[solid frigate]

eh it does make sense for this age to be in VGC

especially in masters Division

[chrome knot]

@next stump i think i made p2s final form

[tawdry yarrow]

what is yanmegas max special atk tell without looking

[bold geode]

No

[lofty tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/random-tuesday-its-about-me-and-i-dont-like-it-im-in-this-post-and-i-dont-like-it-im-in-this-picture-and-i-dont-like-it-talking-about-me-gif-25070329

[tiny karma]

Move: Electric Terrain

For 5 turns, the terrain becomes Electric Terrain. During the effect, the power of Electric-type attacks made by grounded Pokemon is multiplied by 1.3 and grounded Pokemon cannot fall asleep; Pokemon already asleep do not wake up. Grounded Pokemon cannot become affected by Yawn or fall asleep from its effect. Camouflage transforms the user into an Electric type, Nature Power becomes Thunderbolt, and Secret Power has a 30% chance to cause paralysis. Fails if the current terrain is Electric Terrain.

Type

Electric

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.1

Move: Misty Terrain

For 5 turns, the terrain becomes Misty Terrain. During the effect, the power of Dragon-type attacks used against grounded Pokemon is multiplied by 0.5 and grounded Pokemon cannot be inflicted with a non-volatile status condition nor confusion. Grounded Pokemon can become affected by Yawn but cannot fall asleep from its effect. Camouflage transforms the user into a Fairy type, Nature Power becomes Moonblast, and Secret Power has a 30% chance to lower Special Attack by 1 stage. Fails if the current terrain is Misty Terrain.

Type

Fairy

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[real prairie]

so both stop sleep?

[lofty tartan]

Yes. Because Misty Terrain prevents all non-volatile status conditions, and electric terrain only prevents sleep

[mighty stump]

Adults go to play

[bold geode]

Hey Tofu

[mighty stump]

Bye

[chrome knot]

tofu

[lofty tartan]

I'm just glad pokemon is something I have in common with my daughter

Emma - it's magical girl psyspam https://pokepast.es/97f341f1bedbe9d5

Meant to have U-Turn on Meow though 😐

[chrome knot]

woaah

[lofty tartan]

Whew - just found out results of recent bloodwork. Liver enzymes have gone back to normal 🤞

[chrome knot]

i got a referral to a psychiatrist last night

[mighty stump]

Emma

[mighty stump]

Congrats

[chrome knot]

hai tofu

[mighty stump]

What r u gonna do

I wanna go to a psych

Just because

[chrome knot]

see if i have bpd and a series of other funny things

[mighty stump]

Imagine if I got diagnosed w tism

I would get the classic “yeah we already know” from my friends

I probably should get checked out for my general health though

[chrome knot]

thatd be me saying i alr knew

[bold geode]

Yay twinsies

[molten oasis]

You wish

[dull ibex]

It's a super power /s

[real prairie]

Tremendous news

[torn parrot]

I specifically love watching only the part of dragon ball z where videl and gohan have a romance

I never ever watch the other stuff

[real prairie]

Amazing!

[real prairie]

Yeah me too probably 🤣 this is why I refuse to get tested, feel it would change my approach to many things and potentially use it as an excuse for things.

Although got diagnosed with brca 2 genetic mutation recently, so that was fun

[near crag]

Hey, I've been thinking about some dnite archetypes, and I liked the dnite, rillaboom, farigiraf, and bm ursaluna, but I kinda ended it there. Any ideas for the last two mons? https://pokepast.es/f2d08bfa11f92004 Those are the sheets, btw. Thanks in advance!

[real prairie]

AV Dnite is interesting

Although if you are going AV why not go multi scale and make it doubly unkillable

[dull ibex]

Ive been running tofu's typhlosion post team

Ive been building around how do I set up typh to click eruption and sweep

and it is working out better then psyspam

[near crag]

It really helps with rilla and incin, and I get a "free phyisical attacker pass"

Those turn one espeeds can be really valuable

[torn parrot]

I love videl so much

Now she’s useless