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#competitive_discussion
lofty tartan
Scorching Sands has been on my radar this whole time
It's a very interesting thing for Phox to get
molten oasis
nice for incin and mirrors
lofty tartan
Yeah I'm hoping Gliscor slaps Incin's whole week around
I've seen a lot of tech on Phox/Deedee
molten oasis
252 SpA Life Orb Delphox Scorching Sands vs. 236 HP / 124+ SpD Incineroar: 86-101 (43 - 50.5%) -- 0.8% chance to 2HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery im now having second thoughts lmfao
lofty tartan
Tera fire deedee, fighting, fairy, ground. Used em all.
Ground DeeDee is absolutely cracked
Fighting is like really close
molten oasis
alr
lofty tartan
252 SpA Life Orb Delphox Scorching Sands vs. 236 HP / 124+ SpD Incineroar: 86-10...
Yeah that's pretty meh
molten oasis
ik thats specially defensive incin but thats what im used to
fighting
i'll try gleam
for now
lofty tartan
My reasoning for ground was Gambit is often fire now. Ground covers pre and post Tera
Absolutely gimped by Tera flying though lmfao
molten oasis
they went to fire? noted
lofty tartan
I've been seeing a noticeable uptick on Tera fire Gambit
And Tera fire in general was giving the team big issues
So I tried to improve specifically that area
Sun mu is like... Tera Gliscor and hope for the best because Typhlo explodes to High Horsepower every time
Lmfao
molten oasis
fair lol
lofty tartan
I think Sun is probably worst weather for the team
Rain, Sand, Snow all seem favorable
molten oasis
im just making it worse lol
lofty tartan
Like Snow is the only weather that really benefits us outside of heat wave damage
Make Bax fat
Sand is like a non issue.
Ttar hates this team
With the chomp/Dnite/A9 teams you just gotta focus out Ninetales and Garchomp. Dnite isn't really a problem and can't do much to Tera poison Bax
molten oasis
lofty tartan
And gets Icicle Speared
Yeah that looks good as a core.
Ice is just so good offensively for this. Make Rilla hate coming to the game
lofty tartan
No doubt.
I've liked fairy so far. Great defensively and helps push out dragons and dark types
lofty tartan
The good ol Tera dark Gambit into Tera fairy Delphox lol. Rough beats
molten oasis
lol yea
lofty tartan
I'll brainstorm on it too.
molten oasis
why am i in reg g lmfao
lofty tartan
My Sneasler is ev'd differently though š
lofty tartan
He outspeeds all of the Adamant at Jolly 140 and you get 116 HP bulk
molten oasis
oh, interesting
lofty tartan
You're slower than jolly max speed Unburden but you have bulk and they don't
So far I haven't disliked it once
molten oasis
i'll try it out
lofty tartan
Yeah it's been working really well. Sam and Monke ran the same spread in their finishes
molten oasis
a great f u to sun is rain but i have a ninetales, so i dont really wanna do that
lofty tartan
We were once Unburden Acro
molten oasis
and rain sucks for delphox
lofty tartan
Cause you just eat other Sneaslers
molten oasis
yea, thats an option fs
lofty tartan
Yeah I don't take Delphox to all the rain mu's but sometimes she looks really good
lofty tartan
Typhlosion hyper offense sun
molten oasis
that changes things
lofty tartan
That's what we saw giving us the most immediate danger
craggy dagger
tera electric blast delphox-
molten oasis
does delphox not eat a eruption? or is it too much
like, damage for the rest of the game
lofty tartan
252 SpA Tera-Fire Typhlosion-Hisui Eruption (150 BP) vs. 0 HP 29 IVs / 0 SpD Delphox in Sun: 91-108 (61 - 72.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
molten oasis
a dragon could be a good route
lofty tartan
She does.
lofty tartan
252 SpA Tera-Fire Typhlosion-Hisui Eruption (150 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Delphox in Sun: 91-108 (60.6 - 72%) -- guaranteed 2HKO without the 29hp IV
Yeah that's a big go-to.
252 SpA Life Orb Delphox Expanding Force vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Tera-Fire Typhlosion-Hisui: 94-110 (63 - 73.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Deedee has sash so it can pick up the ko
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
molten oasis
how does that not kill lol
lofty tartan
Oh!
molten oasis
is the terrain up?
lofty tartan
252 SpA Life Orb Delphox Expanding Force (120 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Tera-Fire Typhlosion-Hisui in Psychic Terrain: 134-160 (89.9 - 107.3%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO
molten oasis
that looks correct lmao
lofty tartan
Yup. So basically a sneeze kos
lofty tartan
Yeah I calced scarf because I see it a lot
252 SpA Choice Specs Tera-Fire Typhlosion-Hisui Eruption (150 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Delphox in Sun: 135-159 (90 - 106%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO
molten oasis
ow
favorable but, yea that hurts
modest kills tho
monke was also on delphox deedee?
molten oasis
mk
lofty tartan
Sam did too. Then won his local undefeated
bold geode
Yeah he placed in a top 4 with it
Top 2 š
molten oasis
tha makes it a bit unreliable
molten oasis
no, thats not, i meant for whimsi ty mu
craggy dagger
bestie bestie
look
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2231799686
molten oasis
with what im gonna try thats the worst mu
hehe av hamurott hehe
wait actually that doesn't sound too bad
lofty tartan
Yeah deedee is actually a great attacker here lmao it's so silly
AV Ham could be neat
molten oasis
its damage kinda sucks tho
lofty tartan
Like it's surprisingly done some stuff lately
molten oasis
gambit's another issue yea
lofty tartan
Yeah Gambit is public enemy number 1
Basically he gets sent against me 100% of the time
molten oasis
2 anti gambit is pretty good
lofty tartan
Yeah it is. It's good to have multiple outs that answer other things. That way you have options if things go sideways
molten oasis
not bad typing synergy
lofty tartan
No it isn't
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
molten oasis
im gonna go send a pic of my gundam then work on this a bit more so 1 sec
lofty tartan
How fast is he?
molten oasis
85 base
lofty tartan
Hm
So a little slower than Indeedee
I'd probably give him some speed if it were me but also with av you wanna commit some to bulk anyway
molten oasis
hm
lofty tartan
Wife brought me dinner at work.
Mac and cheese and Dino nuggies. Hell yeah
molten oasis
modest peli max attack hp dump? idk
molten oasis
Wife brought me dinner at work.
Mac and cheese and Dino nuggies. Hell yeah
based as hell
lofty tartan
Yeah I am blessed lmfao
molten oasis
hm, first, what does it need to live
252 SpA Whimsicott Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Samurott-Hisui: 110-132 (66.6 - 80%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
mm
252 SpA Whimsicott Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Samurott-Hisui: 110-132 (55.8 - 67%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Tera-Fire Typhlosion-Hisui Eruption (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Samurott-Hisui: 94-111 (47.7 - 56.3%) -- 84.8% chance to 2HKO
uhhm
yea sooo, thats not happening
could force a 50/50 t1 ig
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
lofty tartan
Ouch. 65 spd
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
molten oasis
covers 3, solid fs
lofty tartan
Ham isn't terrible. I think I may put him in the box of prospects
Having a dark mon for mirrors and etc is not objectively bad
molten oasis
im mostly theorizing cuz like, what else is really good into that that doesn't overlap too much
harc and incin make stuff arguably worse
lofty tartan
Yeah I've worked on overlap as much as I can. Gonna have to take some on the chin here and there
molten oasis
im worried about stacking up ground weaknesses
lofty tartan
Especially weak area needs some resist or immunities and then like 4x weaknesses to ground is fine xD
lofty tartan
Yeah like we have a lot of ground weakness. So do a lot of teams. Garchomp is a brick house right now
So he's definitely a key threat we're considering solutions for . Absolutely
So far I haven't lost to a chomp
Fingers crossed though.
He's just really incredible. Good bulk excellent type great offense
molten oasis
TENTACRUEL HELL YEA (fuck no)
lofty tartan
Yes 4x weak to ice in a meta where you drop weaknesses with a button
Bax is like one of our solutions for him
Scout to force the Tera. Then close in
molten oasis
hm
lofty tartan
I get a LOT of chomp leads when playing this. There's no real reason to not take him into this team
But we have answers for that
molten oasis
im trying to think of something that helps with a couple areas tho admittedly, atm
lofty tartan
I get you
molten oasis
incin is probably very easy to slap on fs so thats a thought
lofty tartan
There's a ton of info in Sam's office too. We cooked literally my whole shift last night
Calcs, theories, problematic matches, etc
lofty tartan
I agree with Aaron Zheng that Delphox is really really strong right now so I'm probably gonna be her strongest soldier for a bit
molten oasis
i'll see how i feel about it cuz im not getting anywhere on my own rn
lofty tartan
No it's tough. I don't think we've fully cracked it yet either
I think we've made a lot of good progress on the team though
I asked Yotam to take a look at it too
molten oasis
im gonna be dumb and try double fox
lofty tartan
Nah I think double fox is fine
molten oasis
cuz i like foxes a lot apparently
lofty tartan
The ice coverage is something the team really wants for ground sweepers
molten oasis
true
lofty tartan
And tales is naturally fast. It works out
I do not think it is bad, specifically
I haven't tried Tales but if it works as well as Bax then it's good
Bax has been insane
molten oasis
i'll throw it at ladder once i figure out, 5 and 6, oh boy my favorite
lofty tartan
Just absolutely super crazy the whole time. I bring him so often.
So many things are weak to ice and he has high Horsepower for when things get rough
molten oasis
is there anything else mu wise that feels bad with this stuff
im gonna try hamu
hi maya
molten oasis
like what?
torn parrot
Been animating for my class
torn parrot
What u guys up to?
molten oasis
cooking
torn parrot
Heck yeah
torn parrot
Maybe a tailwinder
molten oasis
maybe another thing for archaludon, or that
lofty tartan
Gliscor 
molten oasis
...
lofty tartan
Lmao joking. I do like it though
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
molten oasis
ehh, uh
torn parrot
Okay you know what that doesnāt even fit badly lol
molten oasis
im curious
252 SpA Life Orb Delphox Expanding Force vs. 252 HP / 68 SpD Assault Vest Archaludon: 35-42 (17.7 - 21.3%) -- possible 5HKO fuck this thing
lofty tartan
Yeah I still throw Sneasler at it lmaob
torn parrot
It would be nice to have another positive matchup into Sneasler as the final
lofty tartan
It usually is
If they don't have a defensive Tera and even then it hurts him pretty bad
molten oasis
+1 164+ SpA Archaludon Electro Shot vs. 228 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Samurott-Hisui: 210-248 (108.2 - 127.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO cant lead that guy
lofty tartan
His bulk is terrible
torn parrot
With indeedee having sash it probably enough
I guess Iām wired to assume they might be tera dark throat chop
lofty tartan
Yeah then it's just weak to our Sneasler
torn parrot
Ye tru
lofty tartan
And Delphox w/ gleam
molten oasis
is there anything you guys can name this team could or will struggle with?
lofty tartan
Geezing
lofty tartan
No. Gas. It sucks.
lofty tartan
Misty Terrain gives us the same issue as Rilla. Not too terrible if you're proactive. Gas sucks
molten oasis
idt it takes eforce that well
molten oasis
into what?
lofty tartan
I've seen some whacky ones. Flying was the recent
molten oasis
well therea a9 for flying
regardless of no snow freeze dry probably does a decent chunk
torn parrot
The team is pretty strong tbh
You could probably just stick garchomp there and it would work
lofty tartan
Chomp isn't bad. Honestly I may try it if Gliscor doesn't pan out. But the extra option of tailwind is nice
molten oasis
not just 2 foxes, THREE FOXES
torn parrot
Chomp isn't bad. Honestly I may try it if Gliscor doesn't pan out. But the extra...
Nah like I love the Gliscor idea
molten oasis
the zoroarks are foxes???
torn parrot
I thought you guys didnāt like it
lofty tartan
I like Gliscor. I also recognize what it's good at and it fits well into the team š
molten oasis
i thought they were wolves, ig it makes more sense now
i also dont see a reason to add horoark
torn parrot
I like Gliscor. I also recognize what it's good at and it fits well into the tea...
I agree
molten oasis
if gliscor's stats were a bit better id be down but the attack is kinda, not great for an attacker
eh, tbf, a9 is a specs blizzard spammer
and it has 81 base, it could be worse
neat kayak
Is galarian Zapdos good
lofty tartan
Also I can understand that people don't know their Gliscor calcs that well and he ohko's a lot of things. Coaching picks up the kos he misses
molten oasis
Also I can understand that people don't know their Gliscor calcs that well and h...
like? and with what?
just so i can get a picture
lofty tartan
+1 252 Atk Gliscor High Horsepower vs. 236 HP / 20 Def Incineroar: 210-248 (105 - 124%) -- guaranteed OHKO
molten oasis
damn wtf
lofty tartan
He doesn't ohko Archa at one but he does almost pick it up. A second coaching or a double clinches it
+1 252 Atk Gliscor High Horsepower vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Archaludon: 156-186 (79.1 - 94.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+1 252 Atk Gliscor Dual Wingbeat (2 hits) vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Rillaboom: 180-216 (86.9 - 104.3%) -- approx. 6.3% chance to OHKO
+1 252 Atk Gliscor High Horsepower vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Tera-Fire Rillaboom: 212-252 (102.4 - 121.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
lofty tartan
Coaching is easy to get working too
Get it on a switch. Get it on a low point of the match.
We have to make up for some damage to run Jolly Covert Cloak
lofty tartan
I'm doing Hyper Cutter because intimidate
molten oasis
ok
molten oasis
just max max
lofty tartan
Yup.
molten oasis
jolly?
neat kayak
Ngl wish I had someone to do casual battles with again but itās so hard to find someone with that much free time ā ļø
molten oasis
i kinda hate speed tieing with deedee, hm
lofty tartan
lofty tartan
I did Fire. Burns and Eruption
molten oasis
k
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/e4fef92098da1100 weird team but whatever
gonna play for a bit and start on a fresh account see how it goes
molten oasis
first guy has sableye rotom wash whimsi minior toxtricity and pincurchin lmao
torn parrot
If you donāt like indeee and Gliscor speed tying you could make indeedee one point slower
neat kayak
Why do I wanna make a grimmsnarl that attacks instead of sets up screens
Idk why I wanna make unusual pokemon itās fun
molten oasis
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2231818375 it was geezing and archaludon
i did not need to tera lol
lofty tartan
The turn one Fake Out was hilarious
dull ibex
FOund a team
its tr psyspam with a mausape mode
weak armor beat up is something im considering as well
a weird fast psyspam thing
cyan smelt
i am loving coaching sneasler
molten oasis
ah yes the t1 leave game after key piece dies
dull ibex
ah yes the t1 leave game after key piece dies
Which team?
molten oasis
cyan smelt
coaching rillaboom ohko an araquanid
lofty tartan
Coaching Rilla is so whacky. Does crazy damage
torn parrot
Just when I think I understand rilla damage he two shots a gholdengo with wood hammer
cyan smelt
how did hamurott survive a +2 mir
torn parrot
Wait did hisui samurott always have a showdown model I donāt remember
cyan smelt
and resist ig
torn parrot
Guys I think I might be going crazy I could have sworn it didnāt have a showdown model two seconds ago
No it did
Nvm Iām just crazy
rare pumice
would you say that the higher up the ladder you get, the less often you come across players using toxic/cheesy strategies?
rare pumice
has anybody ever gotten to number 1 using a strategy that could be described like that?
lofty tartan
has anybody ever gotten to number 1 using a strategy that could be described lik...
Gloom Dewgong
molten oasis
hamu kinda cooks
rare pumice
do strategies like that ever win official tournaments?
torn parrot
Not if they rely on surpise factor alone
dull ibex
hamu kinda cooks
š
cyan smelt
what moves on hamu
torn parrot
do strategies like that ever win official tournaments?
Gimmicks are usually considered gimmicks because they donāt work a lot of the time and rely on surpise factor
But if a gimmick is consistently working
It becomes mausape
molten oasis
or dozo
rare pumice
idk i guess what i'm thinking of is more like teams built around the move minimize for example
dull ibex
Minimize is bad
torn parrot
A gimmick is just an inconsistent strategy
dull ibex
^
torn parrot
idk i guess what i'm thinking of is more like teams built around the move minimi...
Okay go play muk smeargle over there š
Hmph
dull ibex
Yes muk smergle could get to number one
rare pumice
i've just been thinking about this because somebody in a different server i was in got mad because they think choice bands and choice specs are a gimmick/cheesy strategy
molten oasis
Thats a strat
wha?
dull ibex
Sounds like a bad player
molten oasis
oh, yea i agree
dull ibex
So I like the psyspam team
torn parrot
i've just been thinking about this because somebody in a different server i was ...
Um what
dull ibex
Might want to find a better way to mix psyspam and mausape
molten oasis
Might want to find a better way to mix psyspam and mausape
what form of psyspam?
dull ibex
I don't care as long as it's armarouge
molten oasis
uhhhhh
torn parrot
i've just been thinking about this because somebody in a different server i was ...
I get the sense that he just started a month ago
molten oasis
idk if armadeedee is good with mausape
i like the idea since armadeedee can kinda suck into incin if you dont have meteor beam ready
maybe just annihilape?
dull ibex
There's two three teams on labmaus with those two together
rare pumice
I get the sense that he just started a month ago
it was weird to me and when i tried to give my own opinion on the matter they just wrote me off saying i must've never played ranked/competitive if i disagreed
molten oasis
thats, not great
dull ibex
it was weird to me and when i tried to give my own opinion on the matter they ju...
So they're terrible
torn parrot
it was weird to me and when i tried to give my own opinion on the matter they ju...
What is he like 12
rare pumice
it's possible i guess
torn parrot
It reminded me of when my friends and I just started and they got mad at me for using choice scarf
They saw it as cheating
It started a whole drama between us lmao
rare pumice
it was just kind of disorienting i guess but i'm just glad i didn't say anything back incase it actually was just a kid
dull ibex
I stopped playing with my friend after they rage quit on me because I beat them
molten oasis
idk if i like either of those teams
rare pumice
does high horsepower have higher bp than earthquake while two opponents are on the field?
rare pumice
wow i can only imagine what rock slide must be then
dull ibex
idk if i like either of those teams
Shrug
torn parrot
wow i can only imagine what rock slide must be then
š© like 55 base power
gentle cragBOT
Result: 112.500000
molten oasis
wait wrong calc
gentle cragBOT
Result: 37.500000
molten oasis
wait wrong again
gentle cragBOT
Result: 56.250000
rare pumice
i remember when i first started doubles i wrote off rock slide entirely because i kept getting confused by the fact it never fainted what i was expecting it to and even to this day i still have trouble deciding if it's worth it or not
molten oasis
yea
torn parrot
I feel like rock slide is why I always underestimate tyranitar damage
lofty tartan
i've just been thinking about this because somebody in a different server i was ...
I have no words
So like what do they think of Assault Vest? Lol
rare pumice
i was like 14 or something and didn't know double targetting reduced damage output so it was just a bad habit i struggled to drop
molten oasis
wait
torn parrot
Dayum drago team is working
molten oasis
i think you can transfer an oshawott into legends fron sv and then evolve it to get a hisui samu
lofty tartan
You can
molten oasis
IM SAVED
lofty tartan
I did that with Typhlo
molten oasis
DAMMIT GIVE ME MY GIFS BACK
now i can get a marked shiny oshawott yay and then get the hisui samu
rare pumice
https://pokepast.es/cf342e6eb12c7e30 this is the current team i'm using
molten oasis
im not hunting deedee, i have sneasler delphox a9 and gliscor
so just the hamu cool
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/cf342e6eb12c7e30 this is the current team i'm using
uhm, i have, many questions
rare pumice
i expected as much yes
cyan smelt
I just realised that covert cloak means no rock slide flinch
molten oasis
notably, that team needs work
rare pumice
i feel that is always true yes
lofty tartan
I just realised that covert cloak means no rock slide flinch
No icy wind shenanigans either
Frankly icy probably kos Gliscor
molten oasis
why drednaw over basulegion, lefties on dnite is kinda not good, theres probably a better tera for peli, just eq is kinda bad on gliscor because of rillaboom tbh, the dengo is okay but i think specs or a NP set would be better, and weavile sucks why not snealser?
molten oasis
Frankly icy probably kos Gliscor
depends from what
torn parrot
I just realised that covert cloak means no rock slide flinch
Means dire claw doesnāt affect you too
molten oasis
from a9 probably
lofty tartan
252 SpA Ninetales-Alola Icy Wind vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Gliscor: 132-156 (87.4 - 103.3%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
molten oasis
yea, yea that hurts but it can live
lofty tartan
252 SpA Choice Specs Ninetales-Alola Icy Wind vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Gliscor: 196-232 (129.8 - 153.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
molten oasis
until its specs then it explodes
lofty tartan
Fire tera save us
rare pumice
why drednaw over basulegion, lefties on dnite is kinda not good, theres probably...
what does np set mean?
molten oasis
nasty plot
lofty tartan
Nasty plot set
rare pumice
o duh my mistake
molten oasis
you're reletively new, i think, dw about it
rare pumice
i stopped competitive for like 3 years so i might as well be, and i'm just bad at lingo and abreviations if that makes sense
molten oasis
alr, no worries
cyan smelt
Should I assume gholdengo is always tera dragon
lofty tartan
Nah. It gets steel Tera a lot too
molten oasis
steel dragon or faiery
cyan smelt
That's the annoying guessing game
rare pumice
i don't really think i can argue with any of your suggestions other than scarf gholdengo, i feel the scarf is non negotioable for outspeeding opposing swift swimmers/tailwind even when my tailwind is up
molten oasis
you dont, need to tho
okay so what mons do you need to outspeed with dengo specifically
rare pumice
well i always want to be on top of unburden sneasler incase i don't have gliscor to 1v1 it for example
rare pumice
alright i'll try replacing drednaw with basc, try new items on dnight and dengo, but i'mnot yet convinced weavile is a mistake
molten oasis
why
rare pumice
stab triple axel + knock off is very important i feel for a few reasons
molten oasis
again, why
rare pumice
alright i'll use some examples of what i've encountered so far
triple axel goes really well into the ursa twins, garchomp, and dragonite, and i feel weavile does these things well while also having fake out to support somebody else if she needs to, and knock off helps take out opposing gholdengo if i fear mine can't do that in its place
molten oasis
you're already good into the ursa's tho
peli and basc are not fun for them if there's no tr up
what is weavile gonna do in tr
basc and gliscor are good into dengo
oh, you should have archaludon over dnite imo
and then go high horse over eq on gliscor, if you're going to keep it
peli archa is very strong
rare pumice
i suppose archaludon makes way more sense
i guess i will need to find another fast fake out user that provides more for the team than weavile
rare pumice
oh no wait i forgot one thing that was actually really important from weavile
triple axel breaks sashes and it threatens rillaboom
molten oasis
snealser threatens rillaboom as well
im not gonna deny the sash thing, but there's too many downsides
rare pumice
maybe i shouldn't worry about sashes as much in doubles, i just have something against them
rare pumice
would ludicolo be a better choice than weavile since it also gets fake out but will benefit dramatically from the rain?
molten oasis
plus, triple axel can miss on every hit, which, sucks
molten oasis
would ludicolo be a better choice than weavile since it also gets fake out but w...
no, that synergy bait
your team shouldnt only be rain abusers
sneasler is fine
rare pumice
so it's a bad idea to rely on rain too much then since there are so many weather setters right now
molten oasis
well, in general
a full team of mons that need the rain isnt good
peli archa basc is strong, especially since archaludon is decent without the rain, and basc can do a little outside of it as well
ludi also isn't very good
wispy spade
how common is jolly dragonite?
molten oasis
try to stay within the meta for now since you're new, try rentals
rare pumice
extreme speed seems to be mandatory on dnite so i don't think jolly is very useful right now for it
wispy spade
i see, thank you
molten oasis
a scale shot dnite might be okay
rare pumice
alright alright one last reason i feel i can't use sneasler is because i also want to have a knock off user or something that explicitly threatens indeedee/trick room users in general
molten oasis
to use jolly but adamat is usaully the go to
then run incin
you dont NEED a fast fake out user any fake out user is valubale and incin's the best support mon in the game
here 1 sec
https://pokepast.es/321f05188472edf5 heres one with mausape and arcahpeli
https://pokepast.es/84e09722b61a7653 this is a common set of 6 you can see on ladder
some have dengo or gambit over ape
rare pumice
amoonguss is a little interesting for the spore immunity and the clear smog vs dondozo
cyan smelt
Which tera are dozos usually going with
rare pumice
i've seen some grass users
molten oasis
steel heavy slam has picked up to handle primarina
rare pumice
o ok then i think archaludon would be capable of dealing with that for me then?
molten oasis
primarina or dozo?
rare pumice
steel dondozo
rare pumice
my wide guard pelipper really messes up primarina sometimes
rare pumice
i miss sirfetch'd and falinks
wispy spade
if you stellar fighting move into ghost, do you lose your one time fighting bonus damage?
what does stellar tera blast do? 
rare pumice
tera blast becomes base 100 neutral damage to all types, but is super effective to stellar types, and lowers the users attacking stats on use apparently
but idk what happens for the ghost vs steller fighting scenario
rare pumice
i didn't know that either until just now
rare pumice
flygon deserves the shield dust ability
lofty tartan
tera blast becomes base 100 neutral damage to all types, but is super effective ...
Super effective into terastallized pokemon. All of them. Not SE to just Stellar.
rare pumice
o wow ok
cyan smelt
Does anyone know if a competitor's ticket allows me to spectate day 2?
real prairie
id imagine so since there was obviously the chance you could play in day 2, but check with their suppor t
real prairie
tera blast becomes base 100 neutral damage to all types, but is super effective ...
Super effective to all Tera types š
cyan smelt
i'm looking forward to learning stuff from day 2
chrome knot
Does anyone know if a competitor's ticket allows me to spectate day 2?
yes
if u dont make day 2 best thing you can do if you wanna learn is watch the ends of top tables :3
bc obv you canāt walk in between the aisles and stop to watch during rounds so you gotta kinda be to the side
cyan smelt
i'll have to stay 3 nights then because the flights in the evening are shit
chrome knot
if it helps i stay 4 but
preference
I like Thursday-Monday
so I can pre register on friday at any time without feeling rushed, if travel on thursday was kinda shit i have like a buffer day to recover & friday into saturday competition is a full nights rest
next stump
mad respect, I usually only do 2 nights unless it's an IC
lofty tartan
I'm gonna be hitting Toronto early Friday because Thursday requires too much. I ended up in Pitt having that full day Thursday/Friday to take everything in and for everything that could go wrong, would. Rest I think is really underrated here.
Also a full breakfast is really big brain gaming
When I was grinding mtg events and road tripping a lot, we'd all hit a diner really early and just chow down and enjoy ourselves. It really made a difference.
cyan smelt
i might stay 4 then
chrome knot
for example of shit travel
We picked up joe ugarte from train station on thursday but his train was delayed so we didnāt get to louisville until almost midnight
but! it was okay bc friday was the buffer day
random canopy
yāall are talking about a regional or something?
next stump
yep
random canopy
Iām just thinking about that one dumb team I made on showdown XD
it was a slacking doubles team with skill swap medicham, got it to 1200 on the ladder so far
chrome knot
mayaaa
torn parrot
Heyyyy
chrome knot
hayaaaa do u want a shiny beast ball bisharp
torn parrot
Howās your day todayy
chrome knot
found one while mark hunting
chrome knot
its a dude thooo so donāt be too disappointed 
torn parrot
Itās okay lol it was only for this one team
Iām gonna sleep for now tho but Iāll be up from my nap in a bit
slender zephyr
https://pokepast.es/4a076596762428d0
Opinion?
torn parrot
Looks good but thereās someone missing from the classic lineup
chrome knot
Looks good but thereās someone missing from the classic lineup
few things missing
random canopy
PART OF THE CULT
you did this? XD
foggy lodge
I made my tier list of reg H
rigid robin
I made my tier list of reg H
can you translate
foggy lodge
can you translate
Top tiers that define the meta
Strong and flexible picks
Solid picks with good options, a bit niche
Niche Pokemon that are good in the right team
Viable but not too good
Unexplored potential
chrome knot
smeargle is NOT unexplored
are u fucking crazy
palafin is insane good lmao
and wheres alolan ninetales
whys it so far down
foggy lodge
I didn't want to put it up because is not too flexible but its not niche
chrome knot
ice/fairy is disgusting coverage
foggy lodge
Its great but its like in a limbo between those two tiers imo
chrome knot
pult prim magmar/buzz not being in top tier is criminal
cyan smelt
wow i looked at my parsrs and kingambit + gliscor is a really good leading pair
torn parrot
you did this? XD
Rabbit cult
random canopy
Rabbit cult
oh
cyan smelt
Bunny
random canopy
Rabbit cult
this is a glaceon pfp
random canopy
Nah that is definitely a bunny glaceon
XD
chrome knot
bunmy
random canopy
bunny, let's go with it : 9
rigid robin
palafin is insane good lmao
gets wrecked by rillaboom unless tera
rigid robin
ice/fairy is disgusting coverage
gets wrecked by archaludon
also gets shut down by pelippers/torkoals
bold geode
Are the ghost outbreaks happening yet on cart?
rigid robin
no
chrome knot
god shut the fuck up
rigid robin
hey thats not nice 
but from my personal experience alolan ninetales and palafin are good but not top tier
foggy lodge
bold geode
god shut the fuck up
What'd I do 
chrome knot
not u monke
rigid robin
Me!
cyan smelt
What did monke not do
chrome knot
but from my personal experience alolan ninetales and palafin are good but not to...
thank you for personal experiences but a9 has some pretty shocking results already
gentle cragBOT
thank you for personal experiences but a9 has some pretty shocking results alrea...
setsumizi has given 1 Gen Rep to katsu106
rigid robin
lol
chrome knot
palafin is good if ur not an idiot
foggy lodge
A9 is in the best team of the format
chrome knot
A9 is in the best team of the format
i think agati is just the best player
chrome knot
also gets shut down by pelippers/torkoals
ninetales is anti weather, also freeze dry is 4x on peli
bold geode
What did monke not do
Remove the voices
Anyways
@craggy dagger wanna do dumb challenge with me cuz idc about this Reg that much anymore
rigid robin
ninetales is anti weather, also freeze dry is 4x on peli
most pelis will switch out/protect. pelipper slower than ninetales so ninetales cant use aurora veil
so its very easy to lead arch + peli, switch out/protect peli
and demolish ninetales
ofc ninetales can tera
craggy dagger
Anyways
<@541037106496012290> wanna do dumb challenge with me cuz idc about thi...
count me in 
bold geode
count me in <:blondenekogiggle:931904537890025504>
Do you have your Switch where you're at (dorm room or wherever)
bold geode
Ok
Open switch up and look at your outbreaks across all 3 maps
That's what you have to work with
You can evolve the Pokemon, just as long as something from evo line came from a outbreak
chrome knot
most pelis will switch out/protect. pelipper slower than ninetales so ninetales ...
we dont use aurora veil
craggy dagger
OH ARE WE FIGHTING EACH OTHER WITH OUTBREAKS??
iām at a disadvantage 
i donāt have starters unlocked
Monke do i have to EV my mons 
bold geode
Oh nah just making teams out of em on Showdown or cart and getting to a certain point with then
craggy dagger
ohhhh
foggy lodge
Ok
Open switch up and look at your outbreaks across all 3 maps
That's what you h...
damn first time i see this sounds fire
craggy dagger
shall i say what outbreaks i have-cuz iāve got something to work with-
bold geode
You can make a box on Showdown and put em all in there
I have to do mine later cuz work
foggy lodge
Is eject pack Torkoal bugged in showdown?
bold geode
https://pokepast.es/98894b684e437bb3
<:robin_wheeze:1283161599590400062>
I was gonna say "ah Magikarp, you have Gyarados" then I noticed the Gyarados below it
bold geode
Eh haven't seen Bolt Beam really
craggy dagger
reminder that archaludon and a9 are really common atm
chrome knot
hai novaaaaaa
craggy dagger
well
that was
something
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2232021583
craggy dagger
hai novaaaaaa
hellouuu 
cyan smelt
Explosion metagross is funny
torn parrot
also gets shut down by pelippers/torkoals
Damn it really is crazy how pokemon beat other pokemon and thatās how the game works
puts annilape in front of incin
craggy dagger
@bold geode
HAHAHAHA
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2232025436
it shouldnāt be working this well
spiral ridge
Fast pollen puffs are terrifying
random canopy
I'm playing random free for alls
and half my team are prankster mons
grafaiai whimsicott and murkrow
chrome knot
hellouuu <a:wave:1109040634267967558>
haaaaiiiii
mighty stump
haaaaiiiii
I just bought another watch
mighty stump
chrome knot
pfft did u order online?
mighty stump
Yeah, it only delivers to the US
chrome knot
aahhh
mighty stump
The second hand is my favourite part
rigid robin
Damn it really is crazy how pokemon beat other pokemon and thatās how the game w...
true. Im downplaying ninetales a lot
ninetales is good with its aurora veil and blizzard
still staying true to my opinion it aint top tier
chrome knot
its Liquid Voice alolan ninetales LOL
rigid robin
oh
rigid robin
i actually forgot it had liquid voice lmfao
rigid robin
my brain broken
random canopy
okay I fought a guy rated 1400 elo on showdown
idk if he got there by luck or if he genuinely was having a bad day
glass oyster
yo i need 2 people for a multibatte anyone wanna join
random canopy
yo i need 2 people for a multibatte anyone wanna join
sure
bold geode
Twitter
glass oyster
alr dm me
chrome knot
we at this stage of the games life cycle
glass oyster
dm if u want to join a multi or double battle
rigid robin
dm if u want to join a multi or double battle
im here if you would still have me
glass oyster
anyone wanna join a multibattle
foggy lodge
we at this stage of the games life cycle
always happens
i do not want to enter the "past gimmick was better" phase š
torn parrot
The struggle with a palafin team is
Trying to find to right balance of aggressiveness and pivot cushions
Without being a passive team
Its a fun project
torn parrot
Yeah Iv been thinking about those two as well the more I think about it the better it feels
I also thought about archaludon which is almost the perfect partner or swap in
The tough thing is that I just need a bit of priority or a fast guy as the last so I donāt struggle into strats like mausape
bold geode
Arch kinda loves Rain tbh
Like sure you can not use Electro Shot, but rn it's like
You can REALLY tell the difference between having it and not
torn parrot
Yeah but rhe rain stuff isnāt needed
It was just archaludon that was appealing and it connected them both
But honestly itās probably not even the best path to palafin
molten oasis
wow its almost like, it was designed that way
torn parrot
It is however the most fun path to palafin
molten oasis
i feel like doing rain is hard for palafin tho
torn parrot
Yeah it canāt get going immediately like Basculegion
foggy lodge
Use power herb
molten oasis
basculegion just overshadows it
i feel like a balance team with incin and amoongus/rilla/sini is a good core start
bold geode
I tried Incin Sini Arch Palafin
Didn't feel right tbh
bold geode
Felt like Arch had to sit on the field once it hit it
torn parrot
Yeah its not great on a tailwind team
Too slow to get going for rain
So balance is the logical option
molten oasis
yea thats why i dont like arch with pala
bold geode
Could be just me though
molten oasis
pala wants to be moving in and out arch wants to sit on the field
dull ibex
https://pokepast.es/0b11c7391a5dcdfd decided on modifying this team
I want sinischa over farig
might replace deci not sure with what though
although deci has a matchup into incin, rilla, gambit
all which mess up psyspam so I should keep it
sinischa is one less psyspammer but it does heal both modes enabling them better
bold geode
Ngl that team looks kinda booty
Also fast Psyspam rn is just way better
It's the one thing keeping Psyspam as a whole from being fraudulent
It's like LeBron on any NBA team
molten oasis
he wants to use armarouge
dull ibex
Also fast Psyspam rn is just way better
then i run weak armor
bold geode
Or maybe you run Delphox and Male Indeedee lol
dull ibex
I want to use armarouge
molten oasis
he wants to use armarouge
monke
bold geode
Bruh
dull ibex
ok im not totally opposed to delphox admittedly
bold geode
Well good luck with that lol
bold geode
Uuuuuummmmmmmmm
I wouldn't do Ape honestly but Maushold has seen usage with Pop Bomb sets on these teams
Sneasler actually runs these teams like a mfer
dull ibex
can weak armor itself work with a better team
bold geode
Sneasler DeeDee is like one of the greatest "when in doubt" leads
dull ibex
ill adjust my expectations
im adamant on arma because its my favorite design thats viable
molten oasis
in the entire format?
bold geode
I just don't see much outta it rn besides the self proc stufd
dull ibex
besides pult
molten oasis
mk
dull ibex
im bored of pult atm sadly
misty helm
Does this move set work well for sawsbuck
Ability serene grace
Evās 252 attack 252 speed 4 hp
Moves
Body Slam
Headbutt
Zen Headbutt
Horn Leach
bold geode
Hell with faster Psyspam even Exeggutor has a better case
real prairie
Had a house day, have I missed much?
dull ibex
beat up arma was something i was thinking of trying
molten oasis
bold geode
Run the calc
dull ibex
what calc?
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
molten oasis
you'll explode to anything after it
dull ibex
it doesnt do as much damage as you think
molten oasis
thats not my concern lol
dull ibex
oh that
yeah ive considered that
admittedly monke im thinking of trying the fast psyspam rental
real prairie
beat up arma was something i was thinking of trying
Weakness policy?
dull ibex
Weakness policy?
of course
molten oasis
probably
bold geode
Ok
molten oasis
ig thats what matters
bold geode
No
Hate yourself Drago
dull ibex
into dark heavy teams with gambit I run mausape
molten oasis
No monke i found something fun so, yea
dull ibex
into everything I try tr psyspam
molten oasis
i dont wanna torture myself
bold geode
Is Delphox fun buddy
molten oasis
misty helm
Does this move set work well for sawsbuck
Ability serene grace
Evās 252 attack ...
Does this seem any good at all
molten oasis
double fox is kinda gas
bold geode
You like Delphox don't you Squidward
bold geode
Drago rn
molten oasis
anyway, Red i think getting arma to work is gonna be kinda hard but good luck
especially when (i think) hat psyspam is better tr wise and delphox is the stronger fire psychic type atm
misty helm
Why is everyone ignoring me
bold geode
I think imma make it a habit of doing some faster paced stuff every now and then cuz like
It's nice in between all the positioning and stuff to just blow shit up
molten oasis
because we're having a conversation about other stuff
bold geode
Why is everyone ignoring me
Sorry I didn't see you
What was the question
molten oasis
Does this move set work well for sawsbuck
Ability serene grace
Evās 252 attack ...
dont use this pokemon
its so bad
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
misty helm
Does this move set work well for sawsbuck
Ability serene grace
Evās 252 attack 252 speed 4 hp
Moves
Body Slam
Headbutt
Zen Headbutt
Horn Leach
bold geode
Yeah my advice is just don't use it
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
bold geode
Idt Sawsbuck and good set match together
molten oasis
Sawsbuck and good shouldn't be in the same sentence, sorry
bold geode
I didn't even know it had Serene Grace though
molten oasis
thats its only positive
bold geode
If only it could take advantage of it
molten oasis
new starbomb album, sure
misty helm
What about in singles do you think the set would work
bold geode
I don't do singles, but probably not
molten oasis
no
bold geode
It just has nothing appealing
chrome knot
lol
dull ibex
anyway, Red i think getting arma to work is gonna be kinda hard but good luck
its used a bit tbf
mausape arma is going to be hard
molten oasis
why are you so commited on mausape arma?
dull ibex
why are you so commited on mausape arma?
I might not be
im going to lower myexpectations
molten oasis
ah, just seems that way
dull ibex
https://pokepast.es/2c2023e745793525 this was used at baltimore
molten oasis
what did it place?
dull ibex
dwbi
molten oasis
...
dull ibex
79th
molten oasis
literally if it day 2ed it was a fine start
dull ibex
the team im using placed 7th at a cart tour
molten oasis
did any other armarouge stuff do well at Baltimore?
dull ibex
no
molten oasis
damn
dull ibex
everything else is in the 80s
molten oasis
the fall off is real
dull ibex
though in my defense im not playing professionally
maybe ill learn lilikoal
do I just need to get a gallade lmao
https://pokepast.es/b0f73a92bf6dd994 this got 5th in a tiny tour
molten oasis
Gallade good
molten oasis
fariluna then ig
dull ibex
farig ursa?
molten oasis
yea, bloodmoon
molten oasis
whimsi fari blursa could be explored more yea
dull ibex
im gonna play around my speed I think
https://pokepast.es/e3084281c5061095 can i replace hatt with arma?
torn parrot
ima keep thinking bout rain just for now cus its a fun
and swap to somehting else if it doesnt work
bold geode
@craggy dagger
https://pokepast.es/bcbc19a335501ed4
Any way I can reroll 
chrome knot
this team some ass
bold geode
Well I was doing something with Nova where we gotta make teams based off of outbreaks you have (can evolve them)
And well you see what I have rn
chrome knot
ur outbreak fucking sucks
bold geode
I know lmao
Why you think I want a reroll
It didn't even give me Weezing
It gave me Toedscruel and Slaking essentially without Weezing
bold geode
Yeah see what you'd have to work with
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/e3084281c5061095 can i replace hatt with arma?
Suuurre
dull ibex
maybe I should go back to raid boss
molten oasis
<@541037106496012290>
https://pokepast.es/bcbc19a335501ed4
Any way I can reroll...
That is ass
molten oasis
chrome knot
lemme put it in a paste box but oh my fucking GOD
bold geode
Oh shit I know that guy you just showed
Me and Mika hosted that tour
molten oasis
Were your outbreaks nuts?
bold geode
Emma is gonna have like Incin Rilla
molten oasis
Peli Archa pull maybe
bold geode
Ngl though I might hunt the Sylveon outbreak tonight
bold geode
Work (on lunch but still)
molten oasis
Iām about to leave
bold geode
Iām about to leave
You would do that
molten oasis
Dude Iām going to leave for my dnd session
bold geode
Just abandoning Red like that (Red let's gaslight Drago)
molten oasis
Okay now ik what youāre doing
molten oasis
spiral ridge
that would be like doubling it
bold geode
Lmao
chrome knot
annnnddddd
bold geode
That's why Emma was going Ape shit
chrome knot
its not everyday you see a lurantis outbreakkkkk
spiral ridge
sure go for it honey
sharp cobalt
Which is the better offensive type to attack with, ghost or dark?
chrome knot
dark
craggy dagger
<@541037106496012290>
https://pokepast.es/bcbc19a335501ed4
Any way I can reroll...
no
i donāt even have starters unlocked
chrome knot
@bold geode wanna try switch #2s outbreaks ?
craggy dagger
HEY ISNT THAT CHEATING
craggy dagger
why did i get the offerrr 
chrome knot
why did i get the offerrr <:pout_yukittens:1187680661964849182>
what
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
craggy dagger
chrome knot
ionno
craggy dagger
https://pokepast.es/832aed5482dfb763
thatās usable what-
but thatās a lot to work with-
craggy dagger
Be real with me
Wtf do I do with this
dusclops trick room-
bold geode
You got better stuff than I do lmao
I deadass got route 1 mons
bold geode
dusclops trick room-
I don't even have Dusclops
chrome knot
thatās usable what-
Lurantis clops self proc & tr ^-^
bold geode
Why did you already
craggy dagger
tinted lens sucker punch
guaranteed neutral, run first impression or leech life + low kick/u turn/protec
bold geode
When the fuck did Luxray get Guts?
craggy dagger
idk
but guts or intimidate-
has prolly two of the top abilities in the reg H meta-
sharp cobalt
current meta is more weak to dark than ghost-
Is this true for singles as well?
craggy dagger
for singles uhhhhh
iād pick ghost for defensive and dark for offensive-
dark is always nice to have in the back cause not many people think about dark types in singles-
farigiraf has armor tail so another way to hit ghost, psy types without having to rely of priority is cool
chrome knot
that kingambit guy is good in singles
sharp cobalt
Ah cuz I just had an argument with someone where I argued ghost is superior offensively due to there being less defensive counterplay
sharp cobalt
idk something like this-
You could say it took quitee alot of guts
dull ibex
I think I need to reality check my self depricating about my pokemon playing
being okay at vgc is alot better then alot of the playerbase
and thats something
sharp cobalt
being okay at vgc is alot better then alot of the playerbase
Yeah, you're better than me!
dull ibex
thats fun
bold geode
idk something like this-
I'll take it but like
I meant like I have known Luxray for a while and I never remember it having Guts
sharp cobalt
Its had it for at least 4 gens
craggy dagger
it looks fine-
torn parrot
What the fuck
Dc made a 3 part movie trilogy in a single year??
I didnāt know about this
Crisis in infinite universes or whatever itās called
rare pumice
it is impossible that i've not heard of this trilogy
plain drum
Oh God the Crisis movies suck
Although I'm salty because of spoiler material
Quality overall was just bad though
Proof they should have stuck to faithful adaptations like they used to
rare pumice
apparently there were like 5 other movies that came out before it as well that i was not aware of
torn parrot
Oh God the Crisis movies suck
I mean I canāt imagine they would be that good pooping out 3 one and a half hour movies in one year