#competitive_discussion

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cyan smelt
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Damn, good genes

lofty tartan
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After work it's leg and ab day. Last session was 5200lb volume.

cyan smelt
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That's a lot

lofty tartan
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It seems like a lot but volume tracks total weight and reps across the whole session.

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I do a lot of supersets too

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Supersets rock

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Leg day is brutal. Dumbell Bulgarian split squats and barbell squat lunges kill me. I love bench presses of all kinds. Standard bench press and incline bench press are my favorites

cyan smelt
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I do Bulgarian squats too, at PT I do lat pulldown, seated rows, incline chest, stuff like that

lofty tartan
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I wish I had like a dip station or a cable machine. I can't even put a pull bar up at my place right now cause all of our door frames are wonky. It sucks

torn parrot
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Well dayum

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Body builder vgc player

lofty tartan
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So I have an app that personalize all kf my exercises based on the equipment I have. So lots of body weight exercises and full utilization of weights. I even got one of those ab roller things. (you think they're a gimmick but when used correctly they are amazing for your core)

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Now I can comfortablly elbow plank for a full minute before it starts to get tough

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But when you do like elbow/forearm plank, pushup, touch shoulder, touch shoulder, pushup, plank for 60 it's wild

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I started getting into weight lifting after physical therapy and noticing how much it did for me to stretch and stuff. Sciatica is hard to manage. But now that I do intense leg stuff my nerves and joints are doing great

torn parrot
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Literal chad pokemon player

cyan smelt
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Giga chad

torn parrot
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“Yeah I play vgc”

cyan smelt
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Lmao

lofty tartan
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Ladies, ladies. I'm married.

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❤️

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My goal is to hit 175 and like 15% body fat and then go style on my ex-roommate/best friend lmao

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Gonna give him some free tickets to the gun show

atomic portal
lofty tartan
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Dunno who that is. Probably for the best arkeknine

cyan smelt
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ew jaysp

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and ray

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so should i go scale shot or sd on gliscor

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wait i can go sd, scale shot, dual wingbeat and hhp

zinc totem
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I kinda find it interesting farigiraf is not seen in reg H much

real prairie
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As if ive missed another GC lol

mighty stump
cyan smelt
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so sd, hhp, dual wingbeat and protect?

lofty tartan
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That's what I'd do. Lean into the stabs

foggy lodge
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Outside of like Kingambit sucker punch but it still loses to Kingambit so lol

rare pumice
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is armor tail considered a gimmick, or is it just used by a pokemon that uses it really really well?

chrome knot
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just exists on a good pokemon

rare pumice
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do you think eviolite girafarig would see usage if it got armor tail

patent marsh
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ye there's only 1 armortail pokemon

patent marsh
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farigiraf has a pretty nice 110 spA and got slower compared to girafarig

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60 > 85

rare pumice
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the speed difference is definitely a deciding factor

tiny karmaBOT
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Pokémon No. 203: Girafarig
Types

Normal/Psychic

Abilities

Inner Focus, Early Bird, Sap Sipper (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

70/80/65/90/65/85

Total

455

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Pokémon No. 981: Farigiraf
Types

Normal/Psychic

Abilities

Cud Chew, Armor Tail, Sap Sipper (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

120/90/70/110/70/60

Total

520

chrome knot
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idt u could pass on +50hp, +5Def/SpDef, +20SpAtk -15Spe

patent marsh
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eviolite puts the defs at 97.5 for girafarig

chrome knot
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65def/spdef only turns into 97 asw

patent marsh
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but still 70 hp

chrome knot
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thats not good with 70hp lol

patent marsh
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yea

tiny karmaBOT
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Pokémon No. 233: Porygon2
Type

Normal

Abilities

Trace, Download, Analytic (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

85/80/90/105/95/60

Total

515

rare pumice
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i feel like wishiwashi would have been a lot better if only it just got some kind of usable coverage beyond earthquake and double edge

chrome knot
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85/135/142 on the other hand

rare pumice
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porygon2 is my least favorite of the three porygons but being a fan of porygon overall, its usage makes me happy at least a little

chrome knot
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p2 is my favourite of them

rare pumice
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i wish porygon was usable in anyway but he is literally in all aspects outclassed by the sequel, without zero room for distinction

zinc totem
cyan smelt
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compound eyes sleep powder?

tiny karmaBOT
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Pokémon No. 48: Venonat
Types

Bug/Poison

Abilities

Compound Eyes, Tinted Lens, Run Away (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

60/55/50/40/55/45

Total

305

cyan smelt
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venonat gaming

real prairie
# tiny karma

Isnt the glaring issue here it doesn't get Armor Tail?

foggy lodge
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Even with armor tail is still bad

real prairie
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nevermind, i caught up with the chat

cyan smelt
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venonat new meta

foggy lodge
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Farigiraf still tanks more, has an item option outside of eviolite, and has an actual good speed for a trick room setter

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and obviously a broken ability

real prairie
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why not just use Amoongus at that point, benefit of other compound eyes mons is the speed

cyan smelt
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i assume yes

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idk maybe catch opponents by surprise

real prairie
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So a BO1 strat?

cyan smelt
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gc cheese always has random strats

real prairie
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ah right, GC, i forgot again

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yeah the cheese is almost blue in GC

tiny karmaBOT
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Move: High Horsepower

No additional effect.

Type

Ground

Category

Physical

Power

95

Accuracy

95

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

cyan smelt
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scale shot dnite seems to be everywhere lol

foggy lodge
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It's a good Sneasler answer

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Tho in japan some players are using tera fairy Sneasler for it lol

cyan smelt
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that's lit

real prairie
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🤣

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love it

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forget tera fairy follow me, just tera fairy sneasler lol

foggy lodge
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you can use Clefable

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Clefable can be very good rn with so many dragons

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it should be fine atleast against almost every dragon type

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Except Archaludon

real prairie
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meh, prefer Mar or buzz personally

knotty rapids
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I'm pretty new to comp which would be better

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Adamant is better nature wise ik

real prairie
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for?

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isnt Koraidon a SpAtk mon?

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oh no thats Miraidon lol

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Adamant is fine, you want to sort out those Def, HP and SpDef though with hyper training

real prairie
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you need bottle caps and you take them to the hypertrainer in the ice town

knotty rapids
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Thx

real prairie
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np

knotty rapids
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Hyper training is ivs no?

real prairie
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yeah it is, which is what gives the "best" or "not good" descriptions. EVs are done through training against speicifc pokemon, or vitamin items

knotty rapids
real prairie
knotty rapids
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Thx I didn't know about exp share though

real prairie
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normally for competitive mons you wouldn't use playthrough mons

knotty rapids
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I mean this is a bit of a waste when rentals exist

real prairie
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depends how far you want to get in VGC

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if you are happy just using other peoples teams, sure

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if you want to build your own, then you jump through the hoops

knotty rapids
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What does vgc even stand for

real prairie
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Video Game Competition

knotty rapids
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I've been wondering it for a while

knotty rapids
real prairie
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i mean, having access to any pokemon is useful for team building, TBH i would recommend practicing on SD before over commiting to team building on cart

tiny karmaBOT
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Move: Zippy Zap

Has a 100% chance to raise the user's evasion by 1 stage.

Type

Electric

Category

Physical

Power

80

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Priority

2

Targets

Any adjacent Pokémon

Introduced

Generation 7

Move Flags

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

real prairie
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LOL

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who is going to get that broken move then

chrome knot
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its a pikachu move in lets go pikachu lol

real prairie
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yeah but it was changed recently to 80 base damage instead of 50 and raise evasion by 1 instead of guaranteed crit

plain drum
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It's true that it was edited but it still isn't used by anyone

real prairie
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thus my curiosity

plain drum
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Ah I misread

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Am tire

real prairie
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i also didnt use punctuation, a question mark goes a long way

foggy lodge
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I kinda want to make an Umbreon team

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I think it could have a niche

craggy dagger
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umbreon as a main attacker-?

bold geode
craggy dagger
real prairie
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trying to remember what the builds were

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think on one occasion it was a bulky calm mind baton pass into Arch

rustic mountain
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umbreons usually pretty solid in higher power formats, dont really see much value in it at the moment

bold geode
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Tree how did games go?

real prairie
real prairie
patent marsh
real prairie
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now how much easier would that have been

molten oasis
torn parrot
torn parrot
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We on the 7th male

rigid robin
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I cooked this team. Can anyone criticize this team and tell me how to improve it

torn parrot
dense latch
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what's wide guard for?

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i feel like weather ball is worth running over that

rigid robin
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gholdengo

real prairie
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Wide guard is super useful personally I run it too

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Can completely negate a psyspam or sun team

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Also, SpDef investment in arch, max out the usefulness of that AV

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Assume those tera aren't final?

lofty tartan
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Running Maus with two guys that benefit from Beat Up - no Beat Up.

Friend Guard Pop Bomb Wide Lens. Probably should do Friend Guard Beat Up w/ support or Pop Bomb Wide Lens - right now it's split between the two sets. Follow Me is really fine on both sets.

Yeah Tidy Up isn't doing anything ever.

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I feel like you want Final Gambit Ape when you're looking to position a team through things that hate on it and you're just looking to remove one key threat immediately at the cost of your own mon

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Tidy Up is neat in that it also raises speed and attack by one stage, but it's hard to try and set up with something as frail as Maushold. Hazards aren't really a thing.

foggy lodge
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i just saw a helping hand Ursaluna wtf

neat kayak
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I found a stupid thing I love doing in casual battles now

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I got a shiny furret
And I gave him only 2 moves
Tidy up and last resort
With Tera normal and a life orb

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And now he’s
Hilariously strong for what he is

torn parrot
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!!!

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Furret!

neat kayak
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This thing ain’t winning me any tournaments but it’s winning the funny competition

neat kayak
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Because there’s nothing funnier than a furret bullet training towards someone

torn parrot
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Damn right

neat kayak
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Also named him Walcc

torn parrot
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Mine is named Cinnabun

neat kayak
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I love using silly pokemon

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And just
Cool Pokémon in non meta ways

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I mean yeah grimmsnarl is a great screen setter
But it’s also cool to watch him haul ass

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My play style is quite literally
“I do it because it would be really funny though”

torn parrot
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I enjoy as a hobby making pokemon or strats that I like or think are cool work on teams and climbing ladder with them

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I need to clean my boxes

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I’m starting to fill up

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What happens if I fill up…

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Can I not catch pokemon anymore

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Am I banned from catching Pokémon

foggy lodge
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Yes

real prairie
neat kayak
rigid robin
torn parrot
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@rustic mountain

chrome knot
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man this team is some assFukingDies

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and u smell bad

chrome knot
craggy dagger
chrome knot
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nooo

craggy dagger
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lies

chrome knot
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ok maybe bc im at work but but i get home and go shower

craggy dagger
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see

chrome knot
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i smell like mcdonaldssss :(

rigid robin
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My greninja with loaded dice water shuriken can function as a maushold for annihilape

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though admittedly worse since annihilape is taking neutral damage

torn parrot
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Shuriken is just more powerful cus of stab

bold geode
real prairie
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Also why I run technician, maushold is probably my single biggest damage output over maybe a couple hundred games

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Pop bombs take out so many mons

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Is modest okay for Arch or is that detrimental to its body press?

torn parrot
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Male 8

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😭

bold geode
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What are you tryna get?

real prairie
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Female circus sealion

balmy glen
chrome knot
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keanu

balmy glen
chrome knot
torn parrot
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Keanu reeves

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Vgc player and movie star

balmy glen
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ez

balmy glen
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I was just at a park :p

torn parrot
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WobbuParty hell yeah

balmy glen
torn parrot
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We go 9!!!

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10 is lucky number….

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Surely

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Guys I don’t think I want a female incin and rillaboom anymore 😭

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I’ll be happy with rina

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NO

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I SHALL NOT SHOW WEAKNESS

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FEMALE INCIN AND RILLA

neat kayak
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Question

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So there was an event Pikachu that learned extreme speed in Gen 5
Can’t pikachu learn extreme speed if you pass it down from breeding?

tranquil kraken
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Nope

chrome knot
torn parrot
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Got it on the 10thhh

real prairie
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Wheey well done

real prairie
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Because can do it with dire claws cheese too

foggy lodge
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why does gouging fire has its own sprite while raging bolt and walking wake don't

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what is showdown doing

spiral ridge
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Favoritism
Nah but it’s all done for free pretty sure so someone must have got them that one and just no ones done the work for the others

cyan smelt
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Does palafin still not have a sprite

spiral ridge
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2D p surew

chrome knot
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noo palafin has a sprites

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soda

spiral ridge
bold geode
spiral ridge
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had a monsert
safe to say my stomach hates me

bold geode
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Bruh drinking gasoline

tiny peak
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So I need help ev training, I wanted to ev train before I level the mons and I tried using showdown to plug in the stats and match them but they aren't matching up in game so I don't know how to keep track of the evs because some stats say decent or very good and the table for that is a range of numbers

mighty stump
tiny peak
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Yeah I've got the stats entered mostly correct but can't get the iv number to be right unless I level them to 100 first and hyper train

mighty stump
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It’s minimum level 50 and you’re meant to Hyper Train anyways

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You always Hyper Train

tiny peak
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You can't hyper until level 100 tho righ?

mighty stump
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Level 50

tiny peak
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@mighty stump that would help a lot thank you I thought it was 100

gentle cragBOT
bold geode
mighty stump
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Hello

molten oasis
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May need help to prep for a reg g tournament if anyone’s interested

balmy glen
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why reg g

molten oasis
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It’s for fun

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The people who organized it don’t really like this reg

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Think I’m gonna give stellar Zac another run

torn parrot
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i dint even notice

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it has a 3d model now?

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oh nvmjust drawn

bold geode
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But also what time is said tour?

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@molten oasis bitch what time lol

molten oasis
bold geode
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Aight bet

molten oasis
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It’s not for a week

bold geode
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Depending on what day of the week it is I might give it a shot

dull ibex
real prairie
real prairie
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Really having fun with Scizor

bold geode
dull ibex
bold geode
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Tf you talking about

solid frigate
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lol

real prairie
# molten oasis Online

I'm down, happy to do some team building and run some warmup games too if you are game

bold geode
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Sucks I can't run it, got Ray concept I wanna try

solid frigate
bold geode
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Can't
Working that day

solid frigate
atomic mural
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they just like me fr

solid frigate
atomic mural
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where do i sign up

foggy lodge
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Did youtube update

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It looks like pinker? I don't know

atomic mural
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huh

lofty tartan
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Baxcalibur is tearing up my GC matches like a madman. Favorite dargon

solar mirage
cyan smelt
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Why are mommy and daddy fighting

bold geode
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Which one am I

cyan smelt
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Idk

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Daddy ig

solar mirage
chrome knot
molten oasis
molten oasis
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Shifu makes up for it

graceful scaffold
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can someone explain why fake out is good lol? i know its amazing but idk why. plz explain like im a golden retriever

solid frigate
graceful scaffold
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kinda get it? lol

foggy lodge
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in general completely stopping a pokemon from moving with priority is excellent

graceful scaffold
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is just a turn of not moving though, no? im sure itll click one day lol

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sorry, big ol noob question :3

foggy lodge
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and is not just clicking it, every time you have fake out your oponnent has to think about it, because if you fake out a mon and target it with your other pokemon it can deal too much damage or just kill

foggy lodge
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is more threatening than it may look but is a so disruptive tool in general and put so much pressure on someone

solid frigate
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which creates a Mind game for opponents anticipating the Fake out or any other move

foggy lodge
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like

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Fake out + Unseen fist

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no protect sorry

solid frigate
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or Fake Out+ Set up from your sweeper

foggy lodge
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or just killing something

solid frigate
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we could go on

torn parrot
foggy lodge
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depends

solid frigate
foggy lodge
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you have more plays

torn parrot
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whys that?

foggy lodge
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Fake out + surging strikes, or stopping an Urshifu threat and taking the other pokemon down

torn parrot
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well heres the thing unseen fist doesnt remove the protect

torn parrot
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ah

foggy lodge
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Ah

solid frigate
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Ah

foggy lodge
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You were talking about fake out on a mon with unseen fist?

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like if urshifu had fake out?

solid frigate
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even then Fake out is not worth it for Urshifu

craggy dagger
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i can’t see why fake out on unseen fist would be good-
wouldn’t the protect be going up first anyways-?

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so you wouldn’t able to flinch

torn parrot
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You know I’m kinda fuckin dumb

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I misread the situation

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Yeah fake out + Urshifu is fucking insane

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It’s such a crazy shut down

spiral ridge
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The protect would already be up tho

torn parrot
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Exactly

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That’s why Urshifu fake out wouldn’t make any sense

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I meant Urshifu + a fake out mon is amazing

spiral ridge
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Ohhh

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Sorry the it’s such a crazy shut down made me think you were talking about FO going through protect

torn parrot
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Oh nah

craggy dagger
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imagine if flinches could carry over to the next turn but its a coin flip on whether they flinch again-
and keeps on halving as time goes on-

torn parrot
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I hate Urshifu so fucking much

craggy dagger
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i meannn
from a design standpoint its amazing

spiral ridge
craggy dagger
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just like fluttermane :0

torn parrot
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I love Urshifu as a bear

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But not as a mon

cyan smelt
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at least watershifu is checked by bolt

torn parrot
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):<

craggy dagger
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plus if you lock in aqua jet they cant tclap you

cyan smelt
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don't they usually run tbolt too

craggy dagger
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-# shifu dark casually being ohko'd by a fairy wind

craggy dagger
spiral ridge
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Shifu close combatting each other like it’s a martial arts contest

cyan smelt
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it's funny when two urshifu surging strikes each other

solid frigate
spiral ridge
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why?

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they feel pressured to protect fake out but same time urshifu can hit them either by flinch or through protect

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its a really strong mind game

solid frigate
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1.You already bypass protect why do you need a fucking flinch move against Protect already
2.Put fake out in the slot means you lose a consistent STAB Priority or Utility like Taunt
3. this is doubles,let Incin do the job

spiral ridge
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fake out MON

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urshifu plus fake out MON

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they mean incin love KEKWCRY

solid frigate
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i mean Urshifu HAVE FAKE OUT FU

spiral ridge
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THEY DONT MEAN THAT THO KEKWCRY

solid frigate
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URSHIFU HAVE FAKE OUT IS A WASTE OF A FUCKING mOVE i am dying-

spiral ridge
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THEY CLARIFIED THEY DONT MEAN URSHI HAVING FAKE OUT

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WHAT BUBBLE ARE YOU BURSTING LOVE kekhands

solid frigate
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i should not have texted in 5:30

spiral ridge
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reading comprehension is hard i know

solid frigate
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i can't fucking sleep i already woke up in 1 am

spiral ridge
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pain

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uhm music to sleep?

solid frigate
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usually ASMR

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but i don't feel like it cuz it did not work this time

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so i just fucking teambuilding

spiral ridge
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oh youre like faer

dense latch
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melatonin supplements saved my life

spiral ridge
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@opal inlet one of your kind

solid frigate
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i don't take supplements so yeah fuck this

foggy lodge
solid frigate
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no sleep and enjoy me tourtuing myself

foggy lodge
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Like fake out urshifu and its partner just does whatever it needs, set up, hit, idk

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And then you protect to avoid damage for example

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But if you don't it can go for close combat and you are dead

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It would also break focus sash through protect so no protect to preserve sash

solid frigate
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yeah but i still prefer it to have Aqua Jet cuz it literally does the same thing

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now for Dark Shifu i can see Fake out is used

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cuz Sucker Punch only works when Opponent is attacking

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in short

Only one would be benfited cuz Water Shifu can just use Aqua Jet but its not like Gamefreak would buff Shifu again

foggy lodge
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no please

solid frigate
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look i love Shifu but please don't buff it

foggy lodge
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nerf unseen fist to 1/4 through protect

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it would still be able to pick up kos at low health through protect

solid frigate
foggy lodge
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50% would be okay

solid frigate
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and Tera would not be happen in gen 10 so thats already a nerf

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but its kinda wide spread nerf anyways

torn parrot
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I meant fake out mon + Urshifu is amazing

solid frigate
torn parrot
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Urshifu fake out bad
Urshifu + fake out mon good

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Basically what Iv been tryna say

solid frigate
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which honestly like i said,only dark shifu kinda benefit it

torn parrot
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LAAAA
got a female litten

solid frigate
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hear me out

At least Dark Shifu can now hit through protect via priority

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if it has Fake out

torn parrot
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I mean Urshifu fake out isn’t like

solid frigate
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that would make a niche out if it but not enough to beat Rapid Strike

torn parrot
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Bad

Cus fake out is disgusting

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Tbh if Urshifu had fake out I would cry

solid frigate
foggy lodge
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i don't know what would you drop for fake out in Urshifu's moveset

solid frigate
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why does Munkidori have this move i wanna cry

At least he's used for Incin stuff

torn parrot
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You’d probably go AV

foggy lodge
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Both stabs are mandatory (Michael's Urshifu does not exist)

solid frigate
foggy lodge
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nah

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Because you lose priority with it

solid frigate
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at least you don't get turn 1 protect sucker punch blockage

torn parrot
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I got a female litten now I just need a female grookey

foggy lodge
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Even though it only hits when your opp hits it still helps it with the speed stat it has

solid frigate
torn parrot
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Bout to shiny hunt a female grimmsnarl 😳

solid frigate
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isn't Grimmsnarl 100% male

torn parrot
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Yes

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but not if I say so

tiny karmaBOT
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Pokémon No. 861: Grimmsnarl
Types

Dark/Fairy

Abilities

Prankster, Frisk, Pickpocket (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

95/120/65/95/75/60

Total

510

Weight (Low Kick BP)

61kg (80 BP)

Height

1.5m

Introduced

Generation 8

Pre-evolution

Morgrem

Egg groups

Fairy, Human-Like

Gender Ratio

M: 100%

Color

Purple

solid frigate
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yeah 100% male

torn parrot
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That won’t stop me

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I’ll go for the -1% chance

solid frigate
#

i love how Grimm has 120 Attack but its a support

Hmmm where do i heard this before

foggy lodge
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How do they breed

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i doubt they look for a Ditto their whole life

molten oasis
#

Sini is similar, and Gyarados

foggy lodge
#

I miss Ogerpon

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I need my role compressionnnn

craggy dagger
#

i-
how ogerpon role compression?

torn parrot
#

Support and damage dealer

dull ibex
#

bad news and good news

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the bad news is im 16k on cart

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the good news is that im at more wins then losses again

torn parrot
dull ibex
#

so like bad elo

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but im clearing improving on this team

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I followed peoples advice and im leading ALOT

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archaludon

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then if I think BP is bad into the team or eshot is bad into the team I bring ape

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ape grimm is fun into the king balance matchup

torn parrot
#

I’m kinda bored

lofty tartan
#

Finally found a good spot for Gliscor SealFlex

weak dune
#

Who would you guys add to this team.

Excadrill, Tyranotar, Corviknight, Salamanca, Hydreigon

lofty tartan
#

Turns out he cleans up a lot of things that give my team a hard time

solid frigate
bold geode
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8-7 again in Day 2

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Positive still so 👍

craggy dagger
solid frigate
craggy dagger
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fair enough

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id prolly be in the negatives

solid frigate
bold geode
#

But I'm honestly not good in this format tbh
Just ain't click really
GC really hasn't GCed for me yet

solid frigate
#

i can't unsee it

lofty tartan
#

Still working on it. The sixth mon is heavily in question.

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But Gliscor looks good

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DeedeeM/delphox/sneasler/bax/Gliscor atm

torn parrot
#

Woooo! Looks awesome

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Umm hmm

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Not sure

lofty tartan
#

The team has been performing really well so far. Two limitless top 4s and a local win. Bax has added a lot to the team and Gliscor is looking like a solid fit against things we find issue with 🤷

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Gonna try to slot a 6th and test it after work

cyan smelt
#

solid team

lofty tartan
#

I'm running deedeem/delphox/basc/bax/murk/sneasler in the GC right now. Basically just building off the pillars on the team.

cyan smelt
#

I feel like I'm slowly getting a handle on EVs, like if I'm playing and something kos me unexpectedly I go back to the builder and play with the EVs I think

torn parrot
#

Sounds likes a Good idea

lofty tartan
#

+1 252 Atk Gliscor High Horsepower vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Tera-Fire Rillaboom: 212-252 (102.4 - 121.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Seems fine.

rare pumice
#

there's a sentiment i've heard a lot where when it comes to things like restricted formats or formats with mega evolution, choosing a defensive/supportive restricted pokemon is always worse than choosing an offensive one, how true would you say this is?

torn parrot
#

this is the case for single restricted i beleive

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when you only have one important broken pokemon it should be making a big impact on the ultimate goal of kill everything on the field

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however]=

rare pumice
#

i once tried a bulky will o wisp giratina set in sword and shield and had fun with it because i love giratina but i've also never made it past great ball tier so-

torn parrot
#

when your in double restricted you have room for one broken pokemon to be supportive for the other

lofty tartan
#

Like Dialga/Ice Rider

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😄

rare pumice
#

is cresselia a restricted pokemon?

lofty tartan
#

Nope

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Minor/sub legend. Not quite a restricted

torn parrot
#

unless its slaking or regigigas

rare pumice
#

i'm just surprised because of how universally impactful cresselia seems to be

lofty tartan
#

It has a whole "all my friends are dead" problem too

rare pumice
#

huh

torn parrot
#

honestly the way you described doubel restricted makes me think i might like it mroe than single

just cus i can find cool legendary combos

lofty tartan
#

It doesn't provide any offensive presence whatsoever. So if you ko things around it, it can't do anything to you

rare pumice
#

i've heard of an offensive cresselia set getting really far back in black and white era of vgc tournaments i think

lofty tartan
#

I'm not one whe can speak on that. Just what I've seen in SV. Things are very very different now though

torn parrot
#

cresselia is a really fat duck that sets trick room and has a healing move

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it is basically psychic porygon

lofty tartan
#

Not only have moves been changed, a slew of things have come out since black/white which shifts favor.

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Like Urshifu and friends didn't exist in B/W

rare pumice
#

urshifu single strike laughs at cresselia

torn parrot
#

ha...

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i bet it lives a wicked blow

rare pumice
#

i must see

torn parrot
#

252+ Atk Black Glasses Urshifu Wicked Blow vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Cresselia on a critical hit: 174-206 (76.6 - 90.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

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haha

rare pumice
#

cresselia laughs at urshifu then i guess

torn parrot
#

biut uh

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yeah its just really fat thats its job

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it can hold an item

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which in my opinion makes it more useful than porygon and dusclops

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i never really liked that one move shuts down those mons because they're forced to run eviolite

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porygon does have that offense element

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kinda rng sometimes tho

rare pumice
#

porygon tri beam dangerous

torn parrot
#

for two reasons

rare pumice
#

having three coverage options is one and having a phys attack if wrong download?

torn parrot
#

yeah also cus it doubles as a normal stab move if you dont tera

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so its kinda perfect ngl

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in a world of tera anyways

rare pumice
#

tri attack coming back next gen though we gotta be on the defensive, covert cloaks out

chrome knot
#

oh wait

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252+ Atk Choice Band Urshifu-Single Strike Wicked Blow vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Cresselia on a critical hit: 216-254 (95.1 - 111.8%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO

252+ Atk Black Glasses Tera-Dark Urshifu-Single Strike Wicked Blow vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Cresselia on a critical hit: 232-276 (102.2 - 121.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

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goodbye space croissant

rare pumice
#

can anybody think of a restricted pokemon that does infamously bad in restricted formats but would probably be really good if it were allowed in non restricted formats?

chrome knot
#

sneasler

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primarina

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anything in this t12 usage other than the obvious incin/rilla guys

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OH a restricted pokemon

rare pumice
#

mhmm

chrome knot
#

uh you’ll never see restricteds outside of reg g.

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unless you also include subclass legendaries & paradox

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if so definitely gouging fire

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guy sucked ass in reg g but he was the shit in reg f

rare pumice
#

no i just mean for fun if a random restricted legendary for whatever reason somehow just was dropped into a non restricted format, which one do you think would benefit from it the most? c;

chrome knot
#

calyrex

rare pumice
#

just base calyrex?

next stump
#

dialga would be pretty sick, same with maybe like psyspam mewtwo

chrome knot
#

dialga would be manageable its like a more honest archaludon

chrome knot
rare pumice
#

i like asking fun random questions in comp discussion sometimes

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idk if this is true but isn't terapagos like really bad or something

chrome knot
#

no

rare pumice
#

o ok i heard it was

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i never seen it in battle before though

chrome knot
#

terapagos is rly good lol

rare pumice
#

i just don't know anything about it i left before blueberry academy released and only just came back a week ago

cyan smelt
#

dual wingbeat misses too often, might go back to tera blast flying

cyan smelt
#

gliscor

chrome knot
#

but that

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dual wingbeat is to ohko sash monsGiggleHehe

cyan smelt
#

true

#

is tera fairy becoming more common on arch

chrome knot
#

i wouldn’t think so ? u lose to ghold & amoongudd

cyan smelt
#

ok so it's just low ladder stuff then

lofty tartan
#

We ❤️ Dual Wingbeat here

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Explode that Sneasler 😐

cyan smelt
#

+rilla

lofty tartan
#

It won't OHKO Rilla but it leaves him hurting, depending on EVs

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+1 High Horsepower will OHKO tera fire Rilla though

cyan smelt
#

i need to be clicking sd more often

random pecan
#

H-Lilligant sadpuddle

lofty tartan
#

I'm using Coaching arkeknine

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I bring my own Sneasler aaaand the Gliscor

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Also Coaching + Bax is party time

cyan smelt
#

i think i need to rework my team, have no speed control besides eweb

lofty tartan
#

Gliscor gets TW 👀

cyan smelt
#

could work

lofty tartan
#

I was brewing with Gliscor all night on my overnight shift with a buddy.

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Calcs calcs, everywhere calcs

#

Decided on Covert Cloak Gliscor - TW/HH/Wingbeat/Protect

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Tera Fire because if he can survive Eruption then Typhlosion is done

tiny karmaBOT
#
Gliscor's moveset:
Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Aerial Ace, Breaking Swipe, Brick Break, Bulldoze, Counter, Crabhammer, Cross Poison, Crunch, Double-Edge, Dual Wingbeat, Earthquake, Facade, False Swipe, Feint, Fire Fang, Fling, Fury Cutter, Giga Impact, Gunk Shot, High Horsepower, Ice Fang, Knock Off, Lunge, Metal Claw, Night Slash, Poison Jab, Poison Sting, Poison Tail, Psychic Fangs, Quick Attack, Rock Slide, Rock Tomb, Sand Tomb, Scale Shot, Skitter Smack, Slash, Stone Edge, Take Down, Thief, Throat Chop, Thunder Fang, U-turn, Wing Attack, X-Scissor

Special Moves

Dark Pulse, Earth Power, Hyper Beam, Mud Shot, Mud-Slap, Sludge Bomb, Struggle Bug, Swift, Tera Blast, Venoshock

Status Moves

Agility, Baton Pass, Endure, Harden, Protect, Rain Dance, Rest, Sand Attack, Sandstorm, Scary Face, Screech, Sleep Talk, Spikes, Stealth Rock, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swords Dance, Tailwind, Taunt, Toxic, Toxic Spikes

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Gliscor.

lofty tartan
#

Yeah Gliscor has a suprisingly good move pool

cyan smelt
#

hmm i might change tera to fire to improve sun mu

random pecan
lofty tartan
#

I mean breaking swipe, throat chop, knock off

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Just good stuff

cyan smelt
#

sun and ice mu

lofty tartan
#

Yeah we weren't liking the Sun matchup so we're trying to hedge a little bit. Our Snow game is strong.

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We just don't take Gliscor or we Tera Fire him

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I can shoot you a rental in dms if you want

random pecan
#

suprisingly doesn’t have much Stab movesRappaBugcat

cyan smelt
#

might change skeledirge tera back to fairy bc of scale shot

lofty tartan
#

All he needs is High Horsepower/Wingbeat maybe EQ - depends on team

#

Honestly goes sorta cracked at +1 or +2 - so SD sets seem good if you can swing it

#

Massive physical defense BlobHyperSweats

random pecan
#

play agility sw baton passarkeknine

cyan smelt
#

also yeah i'm keen to have a look at the rental

lofty tartan
#

Sure.

rare pumice
#

what paldean pokemon do you think will be getting an intense nerf going into gen 10?

lofty tartan
#

My mom

random pecan
#

Terapagos

lofty tartan
#

She needs a nerf, too

next stump
#

miraidon and ghold are the two i'd peg for nerfs

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terapagos will be ass without terastaliziation

random pecan
lofty tartan
#

Man they didn't nerf the honse bros.

next stump
#

I know hahaha, they wont nerf shit

rare pumice
#

is dondozo nerf worthy?

chrome knot
lofty tartan
next stump
#

i'd sacrifice my first born to have TPCI do like bi-yearly patches with slight buffs or nerfs or something

random pecan
lofty tartan
#

Balance patches would be wild.

random pecan
#

I heard Glacial Lance was nerfed

chrome knot
random pecan
#

tbh, they need to add flinch and freeze to astral barrage and glacial lancesit

lofty tartan
# chrome knot kinda how regulations feel

In a way, I agree. Honestly, with SV being my first time in VGC, I haven't minded the switch of regulations, just that some I liked more than others and wanted more time with.

#

Some I like less than others and want less time with >.>

#

Reg G is like... I didn't want 6 or 7 months of it. It was fine though

rare pumice
#

what was reg g like i wonder

patent marsh
#

unless they decide to keep tera

lofty tartan
#

Reg G 2 - the Revenge

rare pumice
#

wasn't there a pokemon from like last gen or the gen before that already permanently lost a form that it was designed with just because the gimmick was removed

lofty tartan
#

...Primals?

south shuttle
#

Ultra Necrozma and Gigantimax Eternatus

rare pumice
#

necrozma got butchered

south shuttle
#

Eternatus never got it’s true form in battle 😭😭😭

rare pumice
#

has every generational gimmick so far been a result of humans basically parasitizing a legendary pokemon

mighty stump
solid frigate
bold geode
mighty stump
chrome knot
#

hi tofu

bold geode
chrome knot
#

monke i got scale shot dnite back in the builder lmao

bold geode
#

Scale Shot Dnite is bomb AF when it don't miss

chrome knot
#

i havent played day 2, i instead watched gf play and win her games lmao

mighty stump
bold geode
#

Wow just gonna be like that huh Tofu

chrome knot
#

hai tofu

mighty stump
#

Who r u again

bold geode
#

Your dad

mighty stump
#

Hi Emma

chrome knot
#

i need help, is it coaching or fake out on sneasler

bold geode
#

Hi son

mighty stump
chrome knot
bold geode
#

Coaching for sure lol

mighty stump
#

Nevermind

#

Fake Out

chrome knot
#

this a fr or on god

mighty stump
#

fr

bold geode
chrome knot
#

i dont want to be weak to ground fire fighting

bold geode
#

Prim says hi

chrome knot
#

prim better also say hi to this dire claw

bold geode
#

Nuh Uh

#

I mean I don't mind too much having a Tera weak to those
Just don't Tera lmao

dull ibex
#

Weegeecee?

bold geode
#

Work

#

Also last night I fought quite a few I believe it's Female Basc? Whatever is special

#

But for some reason I was like why this make sense

mighty stump
#

Perchance

mighty stump
#

I like how I registered for the GC and proceeded to play 0 games

bold geode
#

Not allowed to ping everyone here
Also depending on what for, you may not be able to use it

wooden pine
#

oh sorry

#

wait is dragapult faster than flutter mane at lvl 100?

bold geode
#

Yes Dragapult is faster than Flutter

solid frigate
#

But Booster Flutter should be faster than Pult by a bit

wooden pine
#

ohh I have a flutter build then

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ev spread:252 spe, 8 hp, 248 spa

#

so booster energy will affect speed, making it faster than dragapult

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or will that make spa too weak

#

(Single battles btw)

solid frigate
#

Flutter Mane @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 180 HP / 140 Def / 100 SpA / 4 SpD / 84 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Moonblast
  • Shadow Ball
  • Icy Wind
  • Protect

Idk i just run this 84 Jolly Nature should able to get 182 Speed and times 1.5 which means its 273 which is enough to outspeed Jolly Nature Dragapult

This is Level 50 btw and EVs are tuned to be bulky

wooden pine
#

Ty!

rigid robin
#

Or tera

rigid robin
wooden pine
#

guys can I give a hypothetical situation for your opinions

wooden pine
#

I’ll take that as a yes

#

ok so basically

#

I’m in ranked solo battles and my opponent has a level 50 dragapult

rigid robin
#

Oh so ur a singles player?

wooden pine
#

I have a level 50 flutter mane with 252 spe, 252 spa, 4 def.

#

do I give it timid nature so booster energy buffs speed or or modest so booster capsule boosts spa

wooden pine
wooden pine
#

ok one more

#

just in general not against a specific Pokemon

#

do I still give it speed?

rigid robin
#

Yes

wooden pine
#

k

rigid robin
#

Flutters in general want timid

wooden pine
#

so in general you want booster energy to buff speed

solid frigate
#

Timid for Booster Speed and Calm Mind Boosts

wooden pine
#

kk thx

#

I’ll give it timid

craggy dagger
#

wwaaa

#

flutter sets-
i
Calm mind/?

solid frigate
#

but later dropped out for Support or Full Offense

craggy dagger
#

specs
booster
speed

spiral ridge
#

pop

wooden pine
#

how many booster capsules can u get?

#

o I forgot I have this fully built roaring moon

#

for physical attacking

#

lol bet I have timid mint

real prairie
#

Tell me you play Pokemon without telling me you play Pokemon

wooden pine
#

LOL

#

I feel like X and y would be worn down too tho cuz menu and map

solid frigate
torn parrot
#

D:

#

A button chad

craggy dagger
solid frigate
#

but if its in a Format,VGC and BSS would limit to 1 item

Other formats will be infinite

wooden pine
#

o

solid frigate
#

are you playing BSS

wooden pine
#

I just battle friends usually

#

but some of them are pretty good

craggy dagger
#

oh oh
in battle theres an item clause so no duplicate items
but like
in general
you can get infinite-

wooden pine
#

.

#

so who get the booster capsule

#

roaring moon or flutter?

#

moon is phys. Attacker, flutter is speed based

solid frigate
#

either is fine

wooden pine
#

I’ll give it to flutter

#

ugh but I want moon to have insane attack stat

craggy dagger
#

most moon run speed acrobats

wooden pine
#

acrobats?

#

mine has good speed but it’s attack is going to be what it’s good at

#

and I can’t have 2 booster capsules equipped at the same time to

#

so*

tiny karmaBOT
#
Move: Acrobatics

Power doubles if the user has no held item.

Type

Flying

Category

Physical

Power

55

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

craggy dagger
#

this move

wooden pine
#

hmm

#

so I just don’t have an item

#

but I use acrobatics?

craggy dagger
#

no no
booster energy gets consumed
thus
moon now has no item
doubling acrobats base power

wooden pine
#

but I don’t have booster energy if it’s on flutter mane

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cuz I want booster capsule to boost flutter manes speed

craggy dagger
#

hmmm

wooden pine
#

and I’m pretty sure flutter mane is just better lol

#

wait what will happen if I got into battle with 2 booster energy

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go*

#

so should I just not give roaring moon an item?

#

muscle band?

#

I really need y’all’s help

#

XD

#

lol my new fav gif

real prairie
#

Can the egg move trick with mirror herb work with any move in the learn set or just egg moves?

solid frigate
#

just the move

But if all are egg moves it can learn them as well

real prairie
#

Trying to teach my Arch dark pulse but cba to get the materials for the TM

molten oasis
#

It has to be listed as an egg move I believe

real prairie
#

Pants

gentle cragBOT
solid frigate
#

legit don't know why it learned Dark Pulse

real prairie
#

Coverage I guess

solid frigate
#

as if it does not learn any other ones-

#

lemme check something

#

only 0.529%

real prairie
#

Dark pulse and Snarl

#

2 dark type moves I think it learns

solid frigate
#

snarl has better utility so its picked more

dull ibex
#

WOAH

#

wolfe is forgiving incin crazy

#

I hated incin until I played the game without glue

solid frigate
molten oasis
#

xerneas

#

makes sense

dull ibex
#

if incin lowers variety in a non violtile way

#

xerneas does it in that way lmao

molten oasis
#

lmao real

torn parrot
#

BYAAAAAAAAAAAA

#

ITS TIME TO SHINY HUNT BYAAAA

#

REMALE RILABOOM BYAAAAAA

molten oasis
#

remale???

solid frigate
#

LMAO NEW GENDER

bold geode
torn parrot
#

LWTS GOOO

#

FEMALE RILLABOOM

#

Full girls team

dull ibex
#

I still want to use armadee tr

molten oasis
molten oasis
dull ibex
chrome knot
#

sorry for your loss

molten oasis
#

Sure ok

#

Good luck getting that going

rigid robin
#

im sorry for your loss too

chrome knot
bold geode
#

You took that pic from the outside where you have to stay didn't you

#

Also I'm yoinking that meme

mighty stump
bold geode
mighty stump
#

I had like 19 patients yesterday

#

Well

#

I got my tattoo done

bold geode
#

I saw the tattoo, looks dope

mighty stump
#

Went to a Deepavali bazaar and had pani puri for the forst time

#

Going to lunch w coworkers

bold geode
#

What's pani puri?

mighty stump
#

Playing Dave The Diver

mighty stump
#

And you eat it in one go

bold geode
#

That looks nice

mighty stump
#

It was good

#

Uhm what else

#

planning my next tattoo

#

Deep cleaning my studio

#

Going on a diet

#

Writinng a recipe book

neat kayak
#

I wish tinkaton was better

#

Girl was done dirty

torn parrot
#

at least it has some meat on its bones but 90 attack would have been nice

#

D:

#

i accidently caught a JUMBO shiny palafin

solid frigate
torn parrot
#

i wanna play more palafin

#

choice band version

#

i beleive it is the scariest version

lofty tartan
#

That Grassy Glide tho BlobHyperSweats

torn parrot
molten oasis
#

Grass is bad vgc is good

#

cope

solid frigate
#

lol

torn parrot
#

thinking of some super big rillaboom cucks besides incin

chrome knot
#

HUH

torn parrot
#

IM THINKING OF RILLABOOM CUCKS

molten oasis
#

Flamigo, sneasler

#

Hisui typhlosion

#

Uhm

#

Archaludon

chrome knot
#

dragonite

molten oasis
#

Yea

#

Dnite’s probably the worst for it lol

#

Out of the stuff I said

#

Oh magmar

#

Corviknight

#

Dengo, a9 sorta

chrome knot
#

how…!

#

flying tera blast ohkos it…?

molten oasis
#

Ig dengo doesnt screw it over

#

It walls it tho, unless it has high horse

#

Volc

mighty stump
#

Corviknight

#

Uh

#

Corviknight

#

And Corviknigjt

molten oasis
#

Lmfao

mighty stump
#

I also think Corviknight

molten oasis
#

Can’t forget corviknight

mighty stump
#

MAYBE Corviknight

#

Not sure

molten oasis
#

Hmm there’s, oh well there’s corviknight but, idk

chrome knot
molten oasis
#

Nice

mighty stump
molten oasis
#

wtf mark is that

mighty stump
#

But its funny cause of Kowtow

mighty stump
molten oasis
#

Ah

mighty stump
#

King-gambit

#

but Humble

#

Cause he Kowtows

molten oasis
#

So, just, what does that mean lol

chrome knot
#

ical mark or something idk

molten oasis
#

Nvm I figured it out

mighty stump
#

Lol

molten oasis
#

You gonna play the beta next week?

mighty stump
#

Is Corviknight good into Rillaboom?

molten oasis
#

Early access*

#

Idk, it might be, gotta test it out

mighty stump
#

Yea u right

#

Can’t be too sure

chrome knot
#

oohhhh so thats what kowtow means

mighty stump
molten oasis
#

What does it mean?

#

To Google

chrome knot
#

I understand the pokemon now

molten oasis
#

Interesting

#

I learned the definition and the slang

mighty stump
#

I didn’t realise the west didn’t know what to kowtow means

spiral ridge
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Time to also google

chrome knot
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LOOOL

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aint nobody know that word

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we stupid asf😭😭

spiral ridge
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Ohh that has a name to it? Cool

mighty stump
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Yea

molten oasis
mighty stump
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Additionally sometimes we kowtow by just bowing a bit

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So its not as

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Dramatic

molten oasis
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Real

mighty stump
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Mainly for elders

chrome knot
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and then cleave or

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do you not also

spiral ridge
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Yeah I always woulda just said like bow or beg depending on the tone of it

molten oasis
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Why would we cleave the elderly lol

mighty stump
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I want that chuan man

spiral ridge
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Lmao

molten oasis
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Tofu what have you been up to?

mighty stump
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Uh

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Working

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Saw 19 patients ystdy

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Uhh

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Got my tattoo done

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Went to a Deepavali bazaar

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Writing a recipe book

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Deep cleaned my studio

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Will be going to lunch with my boss and coworkers kn the 31st

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Right now meeting a friend at the Pokemon Center

mighty stump
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Oh visited the antiques market

molten oasis
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How was that?

spiral ridge
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Jesus you’ve been busy
Lot of it sounds fun though

mighty stump
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Playing Dave The Diver

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Pretty cool

spiral ridge
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Ooo I’ve been thinking of playing that

mighty stump
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Saw neat things

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Watches were nice

mighty stump
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its funny and full of personality

spiral ridge
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If you like that try cult of the lamb

chrome knot
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@spiral ridge get borderlands