competitive_discussion

[torn parrot]

i just said another one

[craggy dagger]

same one?

can’t wait for someone to bring a blissey and wall your team

[torn parrot]

looks like fun ((:

[chrome knot]

we break the wall with decorate expanding forces

[molten oasis]

Man wtf

[chrome knot]

what

[molten oasis]

That looks odd

It’s gc, but still

[chrome knot]

its best of 1 cts

im sorry but my gc team cooks meta teams and comfort picks rn

[molten oasis]

Do what you want lol, just put me off that’s all

[chrome knot]

what i want is trying to win so yeah ig i will

[torn parrot]

@molten oasis the entire purpose of the sinischa is to strength sap dondozo right

[molten oasis]

Mhmm

[rare pumice]

https://pokepast.es/6d16894aec758e57 i think i need some help workshopping this team

[molten oasis]

Yea, cripple it’s offenses and chip it down

One team has glimmora so I lost more due to poison but that strategy works

Ik amoonguss is easily slottable

[craggy dagger]

but what if-
amnesia

[chrome knot]

this wont happen

[torn parrot]

so then why did you lash at me for mentioning haze if thats sinischa's main purpose

[molten oasis]

It’s not its main purpose

It’s helping with dozo

I have a9 and incin to also help it out

[torn parrot]

okay if the tea is here to stay what if you give it more of a purpose

give corvkinkhight like bulk up body press or something

then something appreciates the siniscacha healing and trick room

[molten oasis]

I’m getting so cooked by low ladder, not a great sign

[molten oasis]

It’s a thing monke gave me idk what it fully does give me a break

I wasn’t trying to lash at you

[torn parrot]

mb i misread the tone of the message
but i'm sorry for seeming upset

[rustic mountain]

wolfey or yotam is capping then cuz wolfey did not say anything about it being for jokes in the vid

he mentioned focusing on being much more intentional what he was choosing/why he was choosing it for this tour, doesnt seem like something ud pick a joke mon for

[molten oasis]

Great lost a game to, multiple low rolls

And 15 FUCKING FULL PARA’S

So cool

The teams fine until RNGsus gives me the middle finger

My garchomp got completely crippled

anyway

https://pokepast.es/0359d270b84979a6 this is, okay

i do agree i wish i had some set up mon for sini to support better

but idk, what yet

chomp a9 was mostly just an add on for offensive pressure

[forest elbow]

can you guys rate this team for me? (this is my first time team building) tell me how i can improve it too if you want.

Espathra @ Leftovers
Ability: Speed Boost
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Stored Power
• Roost
• Baton Pass
• Protect

Meowscarada @ Focus Sash
Ability: Protean
Tera Type: Stellar
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Flower Trick
• Play Rough
• Sucker Punch
• Foul Play

Ursaluna-Bloodmoon @ Assault Vest
Ability: Mind's Eye
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Blood Moon
• Earth Power
• Hyper Voice
• Vacuum Wave

Clodsire @ Leftovers
Ability: Poison Point
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature

• Toxic
• Yawn
• Earthquake
• Recover

Dragonite @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Multiscale
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature

• Extreme Speed
• Thunder Punch
• Earthquake
• Roost

Annihilape @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Defiant
Tera Type: Normal

• Bulk Up
• Drain Punch
• Rage Fist
• Outrage

[craggy dagger]

this for vgc?
orrrrR
Singles?

[forest elbow]

singles

[dull ibex]

What's good into popular hyper offense teams 🤔

[spiral ridge]

:(

[dull ibex]

Maybe p2 ursa for ho and tr teams

[bold geode]

I did have IDBP Kommo-O
Exploring other options

Also Prim likes the healing

[dull ibex]

weegeecee?

[lofty tartan]

Ouija see?

[timber plover]

Whats a good teratype for oricorio?

[timber plover]

Good team but espathra gets walled by a dark type

[torn parrot]

which one?

[timber plover]

Electruc and flying one

Its meant to protect volcarona but I was wondering if there was a better teratype

[umbral olive]

One time I did ghost oricorio with fairy tera

[rare pumice]

i keep searching for myself on the ladder on showdown but my username never appears

[torn parrot]

tbh good idea

[umbral olive]

Ghost oricorio is honestly the best out of the four

[torn parrot]

oh you mean the actual form

i think both electric and ghost are the best

electric flying is an amazing godly typing and ghost flying blocks fake out

[umbral olive]

I forgot oricorio had a ghost typing. Imma put one on my ghost monotype team and see how well it does.

I don't really think I'll need it much tho since my ghost team is already super fast so I won't need Tailwind at all

I can probably do some other build with it. Like calm mind or something

[torn parrot]

the electric oricorino has good type synergy with volc

cus it beats flying and water types

[rare pumice]

https://pokepast.es/f3e0fc51f8aff22d how is this team seeming so far

[torn parrot]

looks fantabulous

oh besides that grim

give that man screens that's how the grimsnarl set up teams function

[rare pumice]

i decided to give volcarona safety goggles too

[torn parrot]

sounds great

👍

shoudl be good to go

cant think of anything you can't beat

[rare pumice]

i'm gonna need a lot of practice with this team..

[torn parrot]

as does everyone

you wont excell at a team you just pick up

nobody does

hell i learn things about teams i play like 100 games in

but you will always get used to it

no matter how unfamilar it may seem

it's only a matter of time

[rare pumice]

i came across a neutralizing gas toedscruel with spore

[torn parrot]

yeah thats not fun lmao

word of advice

i dont even have to calc this

your rillaboom one shots toedschrool with choice band wood hammer

no grassy terrain needed

252+ Atk Choice Band Rillaboom Wood Hammer vs. 252 HP / 156 Def Toedscruel: 187-222 (100 - 118.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

calced it anyways

you also have

a saftey goggless volc and a tera grass incin

your gonna be just fine

[mighty stump]

That’s only for T500 players

[rare pumice]

interesting

[mighty stump]

I wouldn’t focus on elo. I’d focus on just building up your consistency in your gameplay

Elo will come naturally

[dull ibex]

Can you vc tofu?

Also yeah ladder is rough you'll get there

[torn parrot]

WHOSE READY FOR A REEEEEGIONAL

[rare pumice]

i've never been to an event before

[strange fjord]

regional time!

[strange fjord]

attending events is fun but it's even better to go with friends. Or making friends at the event is also cool!

[rare pumice]

i went to a local pokemon tcg event a few weeks ago

i would be so so happy if gigalith was in the game

[strange fjord]

would be a nice Sand team guy

with a cool design

[rare pumice]

it gets a special move that i find to be rather exceptional as well

one that i think would do particularly well in the current format

[craggy dagger]

tcg-

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 526: Gigalith

Type

Rock

Abilities

Sturdy, Sand Stream, Sand Force (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

85/135/130/60/80/25

Total

515

Sableye version 4.28.1

Gigalith's moveset:

Physical Moves

Body Press, Bulldoze, Earthquake, Explosion, Facade, Frustration, Giga Impact, Headbutt, Heavy Slam, Iron Head, Magnitude, Return, Rock Blast, Rock Slide, Rock Smash, Rock Tomb, Sand Tomb, Secret Power, Self-Destruct, Smack Down, Stomping Tantrum, Stone Edge, Strength, Superpower, Tackle, Take Down, Throat Chop

Special Moves

Earth Power, Flash Cannon, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Meteor Beam, Mud-Slap, Power Gem, Round, Snore, Solar Beam, Weather Ball

Status Moves

Attract, Autotomize, Block, Confide, Curse, Double Team, Endure, Gravity, Harden, Iron Defense, Laser Focus, Lock-On, Nature Power, Protect, Rest, Rock Polish, Sand Attack, Sandstorm, Sleep Talk, Stealth Rock, Substitute, Swagger, Toxic, Wide Guard

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Gigalith.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[craggy dagger]

which move is this?

[rare pumice]

i really like wide guard on it

it can enable sand rush earthquake excadrill, which would do even more massive damage with choice band or life orb, and wide guard will protect the gigalith itself from the earthquake while also protecting any other ally from heat wave, hyper voice, etc

[strange fjord]

out of context ampharos gimmick im testing out

[torn parrot]

ampharos has a gimmick?

[lofty tartan]

Me. Getting my passport Thursday so I can hit Toronto in style 😎

[knotty mirage]

Sneasler at top 1 usage i guess they like gambling after all

[rare pumice]

primarina in top 12 is crazy to me for some reason

[patent marsh]

not really surprising last Reg Primarina was one of the options for the couple of water types to use besides urshifu/kyogre/pelipper

with 2/3 of them being gone the position for the water/grass/fire core opens up for primarina to join in

[knotty mirage]

Sad palafin cannot get back into relevancy even without urhsifu in this reg

[rare pumice]

well when you say it with logic and reasoning it sounds perfectly reasonable

[patent marsh]

yea needing to most probably lead with it just to use flip turn or to switch it out just to get the hero form out is a big self nerf

[rare pumice]

i've put together a kind of weird team that seems to be doing well so far

https://pokepast.es/9a6ff335ecd7fe2d

[patent marsh]

is there a reason we skipping espeed on dragonite

[rare pumice]

this is my logic

i want ice spinner for rillaboom, and dragon claw for stab

but i guess dragon claw can be dropped since ice spinner already handles other dragon types

i keep underestimating extreme speed on dragonite for some reason

i'm really starting to like wide guard pelipper

[chrome knot]

interesting play letting annihilape jus DIE

[chrome knot]

gore of my comfort character

[mighty stump]

Magmar hitting top 12 makes me kek

[chrome knot]

whhy

its an EU regional its all they play

[foggy lodge]

Excadrill

[foggy lodge]

Nils almost fell off the chair😭

[chrome knot]

i couldn’t stop gigglin seeing that ngl

like wtf imagine he actually fucking fell

[balmy glen]

lmao

[foggy lodge]

That Tytar is at -3 rn lol

If there's no Gholdengo Nils can win

Ggs

it ain't no way

[real prairie]

Oh my

[warped mason]

Holy indeedee goat

[foggy lodge]

Should have read the tera psychic?

[warped mason]

He was banking on the double protect

Since expanding force would have done less damage

[foggy lodge]

idk i think he should have protect gholdengo in the first turn it came out to scout the tera

[warped mason]

Judging by not going tera flying in t tar, reading the tera on indeedee is probably valid

Though you'd need alot of balls to do that

[warped mason]

That would have won him the game

[foggy lodge]

Specs misty terrain

[real prairie]

choice specs misty terrain

[foggy lodge]

Interesting tech

[real prairie]

snap @foggy lodge

unaware left overs bug tera dondozo is mad

[bold geode]

I saw a Bax in top 4

[foggy lodge]

THAT RNG LOL

[dense latch]

poor joan lmao

[foggy lodge]

This is why coaching only gives you an attack buff the defense buff is inexistent

[dense latch]

crit and flare blitz burn

[foggy lodge]

TORVIV IN FINALS

[chrome knot]

Victor is goat for navigating that

[bold geode]

Wait no one told me Tyranitar was in finals

Is it Nils in finals?

[chrome knot]

Nils vs Victor

[bold geode]

So it's TTar Excadrill
Damn

[bold geode]

This is gonna be a killer set

[solid frigate]

excadrill meta pls

[foggy lodge]

Excadrill Tytar is the meta call

[solid frigate]

Me in my server just look at the stream lmao

[knotty mirage]

So i just got shiny alolan sandshrew from the event outbreak and now i really want to make team with it is this team good enough open to suggestion maybe to make it better
https://pokepast.es/3e3522251a68a9e6

[bold geode]

Guys look

[solid frigate]

lmao

[bold geode]

He is literally the drink

[solid frigate]

pfft

[real prairie]

should have been a MHA collab

Plus ultra ice tea

[bold geode]

Scarf with Trick and Protect

[spiral ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/dragon-ball-z-majin-vegeta-gif-23914077

One day they’ll call you the drink

[bold geode]

I'm the jug bitch

[spiral ridge]

I can not include the other word

[spiral ridge]

Americans and their fucking Costco bulk

[bold geode]

You don't have a gallon jug?

[solid frigate]

NOOOO

[bold geode]

DAMN

[foggy lodge]

LMAOO

[bold geode]

Lmao the only thing I like about freeze is just seeing the frozen sprites

[dense latch]

victor’s luck has been insane these past two sets

[foggy lodge]

Blizzard hits both and Corvi still doesn't unfreeze

[solid frigate]

that freeze is just-

I still belive Sand Meta

[foggy lodge]

FAILS

[solid frigate]

Victor's Luck is doing through the roof

[foggy lodge]

THAT STARE FROM CORVI LMAO

Crit didn't matter

4 turns dude

[solid frigate]

Freeze is painful but its so funny when it teras

[warped mason]

I'd love for nils to win the next 2 after this

[foggy lodge]

This match up is still favorable for Nils

[bold geode]

This would be the 2nd regional for A9

[foggy lodge]

Yes

For A9 and its dragon friends lol

[dense latch]

chomp has been in 8/10 finalist teams

[bold geode]

I think Dnite won Joinville with this right?

[foggy lodge]

i like torvivs haircut

[bold geode]

I know Chomp will have its 3rd here

[foggy lodge]

Torviv's comp won joinville

[real prairie]

Would tera water and side attack his own corviknight with magmar thawed it?

[warped mason]

Give t tar his regional

[foggy lodge]

Inci Amongus Chomp Dnite Gambit A9

It is the best team of the format

[bold geode]

Yeah people talkin shit at beginning how Incineroar mid
Keep disrespecting the kitty

[bold geode]

Nope

[foggy lodge]

where is rillaboom's regional win

[bold geode]

🖕

[real prairie]

Ah, wasn't sure if all fire moves thawed or only certain ones

[foggy lodge]

Lol

[bold geode]

Certain moves
I know Flare Blitz thaws
Even Matcha Gotcha apparently does

[solid frigate]

where is rillaboom's Worlds Win in 2024

[warped mason]

He just fake outs moongus

[bold geode]

I will shove your head so far up your ass you'll turn into a pretzel

[solid frigate]

kek

[foggy lodge]

Amoonguss needs the tera in this match up 100

[bold geode]

DON'T DISRESPECT THE MONKEY

[warped mason]

Why didn't he fake out amoongus?

[bold geode]

Damn shroom ate that

[foggy lodge]

1 HP

[foggy lodge]

Psychic terrain xd

[warped mason]

Oh wait lmao

[solid frigate]

INVIS SASH LETS GOOO

[warped mason]

Literally realized as u typed

[bold geode]

Unburden is now activated on the thing that was already faster than everything lol

[foggy lodge]

A9 dies and is an insta win for Nils with Corviknight

[dense latch]

huge damage

[warped mason]

That corv is gonna be a tower

[dense latch]

this looks like a corv sweep without unfavorable rng

[foggy lodge]

Nils only needs to not be haxed

[dense latch]

watch blizzard still hit both

[warped mason]

Double freeze

T tar goat

[foggy lodge]

Double freeze

WHILE THERE IS BLIZZARD THERE IS AN OUT

xd

[solid frigate]

I will cry

[warped mason]

God i love t tar

[solid frigate]

just don't get Haxxed and excadrill meta is real

[dense latch]

i need a sand W

[foggy lodge]

Incin Amoonguss lead

Would you pick Gambit here?

[warped mason]

Does the corv have body press?

[foggy lodge]

Cuz Indeedee does so much damage and lets Tytar/Corviknight just win once they are chipped

[foggy lodge]

No its brave bird power trip

[warped mason]

Issue is low kick t tar and cc

[dense latch]

amoong has been hoarding victor’s tera

[warped mason]

Nils team just seems like it has the answers

[foggy lodge]

why does he have more water every time

[warped mason]

Me spore me win

[foggy lodge]

KINGAMBIT

[solid frigate]

that lead looks juicy

[foggy lodge]

Will o wisp Magmar

[warped mason]

Burn

[solid frigate]

that lead looks VERY JUICY

[warped mason]

Vector can get freezes but no burns for nils

[foggy lodge]

Why is that Ninetales so tanky

[solid frigate]

Tanky Offensive A9

probably

[foggy lodge]

AHSHDJDJEKJDLSJDD

[warped mason]

Wtf

[bold geode]

LMAO

[dense latch]

this is insane

[solid frigate]

BRUH

[warped mason]

real

[knotty mirage]

Ooof

[chrome knot]

CORV IS A FREEZE MAGNET

[solid frigate]

What the fu-

[bold geode]

"it doesn't have the audacity to get KO'd" lol

[foggy lodge]

IT AIN'T NO WAY

[solid frigate]

BRUH

[dense latch]

freeze is so dumb

[warped mason]

This makes me want to puke

[foggy lodge]

Indeedee is super fine rn

Physical pain rn tbh even tho i cheer for Torviv

[solid frigate]

Not really yet but still

[warped mason]

He could kill amoongus here

[foggy lodge]

No Tytar??

[calm gulch]

what the fuck

[bold geode]

🫵

[solid frigate]

i hate it so much here

[foggy lodge]

oh

[dense latch]

nice ko

[foggy lodge]

:v

[warped mason]

Deserved roll

[foggy lodge]

HE STILL CAN WIN

[bold geode]

#BullyYosta

[warped mason]

If he kills gambit its over

[foggy lodge]

A9 EQ

[warped mason]

He just tera psychics

[foggy lodge]

Do it do it

[warped mason]

And kills chomp

[dense latch]

honestly kudos to victor for conserving a9 so well, the more blizzards you get to click the likelier the freeze

[solid frigate]

i guess corv can tank Chomp

[foggy lodge]

ok that's it lol

[warped mason]

Gg

[calm gulch]

the corv is getting bullied enough at this point

[foggy lodge]

ggs well played Torviv

[warped mason]

LFG

[solid frigate]

Wait

Is it truly REAL
EXCADRILL META???

[bold geode]

A CRIT

[warped mason]

No way that mattered

With that health

Nils outplayed haxx

[solid frigate]

LETS GOOOO SAND META

[dense latch]

super deserved win

[bold geode]

Oh nah lmao bro swung that shit so hard

[calm gulch]

glad he won lmao

[foggy lodge]

Haze stocks that Corviknight is a nightmare if you don't have a check for it

[calm gulch]

i would absolutely lose it if i lose a regional over 2 freezes

[solid frigate]

bro just show the Corv just to spite victor

[foggy lodge]

True

[dense latch]

haze is becoming more of a coaching answer than a dozo answer

if it isn’t already

[warped mason]

What a cool team

T tar getting its regional win

[bold geode]

Indeedee Male claiming a regional

[knotty mirage]

Man does this mean ranked ladder gonna be filled with male indeedee

[foggy lodge]

It already is

[solid frigate]

now all weather have a title in SV

[bold geode]

Not in this Reg

[dense latch]

sun hasn’t won yet right?

[warped mason]

Those heatwaves were smart

[bold geode]

Nope

[foggy lodge]

Snow, Rain and Sand already have a regional

[dense latch]

only finals

[warped mason]

Getting amoongus in range for psy spam

[foggy lodge]

Joinville, Baltimore and Lille

[bold geode]

Sun has yet to get a Reg H win

[solid frigate]

excadrill meta we love to see

[real prairie]

Deserved for the double freeze cheese

[knotty mirage]

Sun already got so many win on past reg anywy

[foggy lodge]

well EU can build lol

[solid frigate]

LMFAO

[dense latch]

lille helped eu beat the allegations but louisville did no favors to the “NA can’t play” allegations

[foggy lodge]

well then maybe the format will not be stale anymore

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/excadrill-pokemon-excadrill-excadrill-uses-drill-run-pokemon-excadrill-uses-drill-run-drill-run-gif-24835870

[bold geode]

https://x.com/the_one_gio/status/1848015699026878814?t=zMR73mjc8Ly5M9aIpAICfw&s=19

Gio™ (@the_one_gio) on X

You're probably wondering how I got here.

Twitter · Oct 20, 2024, 2:57 PM

[solid frigate]

LMAO

[foggy lodge]

I SAW THAT IT WAS SO FUNNY😭

[real prairie]

Loooool

[bold geode]

Nah even better one

https://x.com/NehzzyVGC/status/1848009303589859804?t=PuvvNWhCOKrAj2yx7WYK-w&s=19

Nehzzy (@NehzzyVGC) on X

Corviknight when it’s frozen

Twitter · Oct 20, 2024, 2:32 PM

[real prairie]

This better lol

[solid frigate]

Corviknight Memes already lmao

[calm gulch]

it’s such a funny frozen pose

[solid frigate]

wait until everyone sees when it teras

[calm gulch]

hopefully gf remove freeze from the game after today

[real prairie]

They will not

[knotty mirage]

Prolly on next gen

[real prairie]

They will probably just put a thaw timer unless it's in snow

[solid frigate]

i recorded a footage of Meganium Terastalise and it just stares at the camera while frozen lmao

[real prairie]

Giving snow another benefit

[foggy lodge]

That is 100 better than what we have now

They should put a timer on it like sleep or just use frostbite from PLA

[calm gulch]

frostbite from pla makes sense

[knotty mirage]

They developed PLA and SV at almost same time so i guess it's kinda understandable why it doesn't exist on SV

[solid frigate]

[real prairie]

Thaw timer based on type and deactivated in snow just makes sense

[solid frigate]

corv freeze funni

[real prairie]

You may see frostbite come over to next gen, PLA was clearly a way of testing new game mechanics without having to commit to them fully on a main series title

[bold geode]

Why my message send twice

[dense latch]

the hail rework was the perfect opportunity to change freeze too

hope they do it in gen 10

[real prairie]

Freeze isn't that significant of an issue as it's so random

But it having no timer is an issue

What even is the turn by turn % of thawing?

[dense latch]

20%

[real prairie]

Pretty water fountain ornament

[real prairie]

Oof

[knotty mirage]

I wonder then if they replace freeze with frostbite what they gonna do with move that immediately make you thaw out like matcha gotcha or heat wave

[real prairie]

Just make it remove frost bite

[dense latch]

just take that secondary effect off

[real prairie]

Would we see a guaranteed frost bite move set then? To target special attackers

[dense latch]

most likely

[foggy lodge]

please

[knotty mirage]

Maybe we do have something like bitter malice who do guaranteed frost bite on PLA

[foggy lodge]

imagine being able to use something like will o wisp on Miraidon or CalyDow

[real prairie]

Confusion could do with a buff too it doing damage to self = Atk again leans towards special Attackers

Just make it do it Atk and SpAtk

[foggy lodge]

Confusion would still not be important

[calm gulch]

id like a freeze where it damages and slows instead of just a fucking ice block

[dense latch]

there’s not enough tools to stop special attackers

[foggy lodge]

👆

[knotty mirage]

Intimidate for special attacker when

[real prairie]

It either needs to go down the burn or para route, not OP sleep lol

[real prairie]

This will come lol

[dense latch]

that’s why i love av

[foggy lodge]

AV and Light screen being learnt by more mons than reflect i think are the only damage control ways for special attackers

[pallid hare]

snarl?

[real prairie]

fake tears needs a nerf too, thats super broken lol

needs to get the same treatment as screech with the 85 accuracy

[knotty mirage]

I mean we already have metal sound who have 85 accuracy at this point if they want to do it just delete fake tears alltogether

[warped mason]

Reg G is coming back in January?

[knotty mirage]

Not now

[solid frigate]

yes in janurary

[knotty mirage]

Oh january yes

[warped mason]

Thought we'd have a double restricted format or something

[knotty mirage]

Doesn't seem's to be case they just want to go back to 1 restricted again but who's knows if they want to be cheeky and pull off reg H but with paradox mon

[dense latch]

reg g 2.0 is ending a few months before worlds, i think double restricted will be the worlds format

[bold geode]

I wouldn't mind freeze if it was like sleep where it had a defined number of maximum turns it would last

[calm gulch]

yeah but then it’s just sleep

[dense latch]

^

[bold geode]

Yeah but try getting frozen for 6-8 turns straight and get back to me lol

[knotty mirage]

I think i experience that often when playing tera raid

[dense latch]

i want freeze out but i think making it like sleep isn’t the way

[knotty mirage]

Tbf freeze is more like byproduct of secondary effect anyway

[rustic mountain]

lille final set was awesome, nils in g3 was schmovin even w/ the freeze

corvi getting a regional win 🫡

[solid frigate]

excadrill meta moment

[chrome knot]

more importantly

boy indeedee

[rustic mountain]

haha yea that was something idt ppl were anticipating either

like its been around but winning it all?

[vital bloom]

Does anyone know the best moveset for a special attacker Slitherwing?

Or is Slitherwing physical?

[solid frigate]

its literally a Physical Attacker-

nobody in the right mind uses Special Moves on Slither Wing

[vital bloom]

Oh ok

I just wasn’t 100% sure bc I was told he was special attacker

[rustic mountain]

haha again a mon thats been around idk if many had it winning a regional

[chrome knot]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2227089439

gameplay feels sharp today

[torn parrot]

ranitar won a regional after all this time

[rustic mountain]

it won not that long ago lmao

esm at sac iirc

plus its been a good mon since its introduction, idt stuff like exca, corvi or indeedee male have ever gone that far

[torn parrot]

that was

a whole year

[rustic mountain]

bruh

[vital bloom]

But what’s a good moveset for Slitherwing?

[rustic mountain]

since its not legal for vgc rn im assuming u mean for singles?

[real prairie]

we could see LZA be the worlds format unless they have explicitly said its going to be SV

[foggy lodge]

what

[chrome knot]

PLA was not used for vgc at all lol

[foggy lodge]

from what i know every gen has atleast 3 world championships

[solid frigate]

Forretressnite but Fortnite sounds more funnier

[real prairie]

no but we are seeing the return of Mega in LZA so who knows

[foggy lodge]

They will just add them to gen 10

[dense latch]

^

[foggy lodge]

And if the usual release scheme of Game freak is right gen 10 will come out soon so worlds would just move on directly to it

[chrome knot]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2227109277

@rustic mountain im down so bad just testing junk atp

[dense latch]

LZA would have to come out in early 2025 (not happening we've had nothing since pokemon day) and even then it wouldn't happen

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/JoeUX9/status/1847843432296837289

Joseph Ugarte (@JoeUX9) on X

Y'all who are pretending sneasler won't be played in Regulation G after people are discovering how broken it really is in Regulation H are kidding yourselves, it has so many good targets and utility for restricted formats ☠️

Twitter · Oct 20, 2024, 3:33 AM

What do we think about this

[dense latch]

i think it'll definitely be used at the beginning

[foggy lodge]

Because honestly i think is really really hard to have an underexplored mon

[rustic mountain]

maybe but not many are as down bad as safety goggles rain dance araquanid

[chrome knot]

I giggled my ass off when that didnt get redirected

bc during the rain dance turn I said this is prob goggles with my luck

[rustic mountain]

me wen i saw it was goggles after using rain dance:

jus a weird ass team atleast ur using good mons

[chrome knot]

silly maxxing and its working ig

[bold geode]

Shit will be around, but might actually be a less consistent choice once you factor in that all the Fighting types are coming back
Dire Claw and/or Unburden will REALLY carry it if so

[foggy lodge]

I think Iron Valiant is better

As it has coaching + wide guard and speed boost with booster energy

It would probably be used with unburden because if not it doesn't outspeed the main threats and that makes it easier to be KO'd so

[bold geode]

I mean it could work
Honestly it's not THAT out there

[chrome knot]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2227120709

@rustic mountain ive decided scale shot dnite is the new love of my life

[bold geode]

Was gonna try it lol

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 620: Mienshao

Type

Fighting

Abilities

Inner Focus, Regenerator, Reckless (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

65/125/60/95/60/105

Total

510

Sableye version 4.28.1

[chrome knot]

want my spread ?

[bold geode]

I shall take it
Was gonna try it actually with that Edu 6

[chrome knot]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2227139369-8jb60rwi63wuh2n4smz09soh659ty9lpw

[karmic halo]

yo why does the ninetales chomp use ninetales without aurora veil

that confused me

[chrome knot]

bc too much weather for it to be reliable

so instead use a9 as offensive pressure

[karmic halo]

Yea I guess would be cool if it had u turn or something to be like rilaboom

[torn parrot]

Wait no

Yeah

[chrome knot]

what

you okay maya? cx

[molten oasis]

do people que in showdown and then walk away?

i've gotten a lot of afk players the last couple days

[bold geode]

Yeah Blizzard A9 rn is just a lot of fuckin damage

[foggy lodge]

idk

That happens often in like 1100 or below

One time i climbed like 80 points from people just insta disconnecting

[chrome knot]

https://pokepast.es/3581c724f1c79fef life as a crazy person

like I think sash a9 is correct here

bc other than that I dont rly have a mausape mu

[molten oasis]

try to spore? idk

[dense latch]

just don’t let ape stack rage fist

you can ignore it for the most part since you have haze to get rid of bulk up boosts

[chrome knot]

(?)

[torn parrot]

They can set up their own

[chrome knot]

I sure hope they don't have safety goggles and just click beat up....

god would that suck so much

[dense latch]

oh yeah nvm im too used to follow me redirection

my bad

[torn parrot]

I do often wonder how the hell this core beats mausape

Brute force I guess

[dense latch]

early tr?

and pray

[torn parrot]

ya

[dense latch]

encore should be useful too

[dapper crag]

What do you guys think of this team? Any changes i need to do? https://pokepast.es/d54a8a7376377367

[foggy lodge]

Damn what is this for

Is it singles?

[dense latch]

is this vgc or singles?

im guessing it’s the latter

[dapper crag]

Yes

[dense latch]

most ppl here play doubles

so idk if we can rly help w/ a singles team

[dull ibex]

Do you play in game singles or ou

[dapper crag]

in game singles

[dull ibex]

ah ok nvm

[real prairie]

one of the big things ive noticed this meta is there is very little room for Mons that offer zero offensive pressure. even your support mons needs to be able to get a KO when you need it.

[foggy lodge]

VGC has always been like that xd

[molten oasis]

except amoonguss cuz he's that guy, but yea

[dense latch]

pressure in general

amoonguss doesn’t need offensive pressure because spore is more than enough

[foggy lodge]

Clefairy too

[dense latch]

you could argue that the lack of pressure is one of the reasons it’s used less than clefable

[molten oasis]

curently

[dense latch]

yeah in this format

[molten oasis]

its the better choice by far in restricted

[dense latch]

agreed

[foggy lodge]

rn yeah bur Clefairy was 100 better in every other format

This format is just

Weird

[solid frigate]

Iron Crown time ig-

[dense latch]

lol

i miss the tapus

[knotty mirage]

I guess gamefreak just doesn't want the ruinous quartet to get overshadowed too much that's why they don't include tapus in this gen

[jolly grail]

Looking for a few people to practice with and discuss teams mons for upcoming season. Dm me ❤️

[rustic mountain]

japans always got the sauce

[rustic mountain]

ppl will try it, and then realize again it does not hold up consistently in those types of power formats. bruh is acting like nobody tried it out previously and it became jus relegated to pyspam b/s teams but now ppl think cuz u can put electric seed or keep sash on it its somehow gna stay relevant? like come on. if ppl still play sneasler in reg g + imma be so happy cuz itll be certified ass then

[foggy lodge]

It is

I think its bad really bad

[rustic mountain]

like for reg g or in general?

[foggy lodge]

Because you are forced to put a seed on it to do actually something because everything else outspeeds it

[foggy lodge]

Reg G, in Reg H i hate it because its broken

[rustic mountain]

yea its def very strong atm

[foggy lodge]

But i really think is hard for a mon to be underexplored in this way, considering that people were really cooking in reg G and still nobody used Sneasler

[rustic mountain]

that amongst its poor bulk and stuff like urshi that can ko it thru sash if runs it and yea the insane amount of mons that either out damage it or can outspeed and jus ko it seems like itd b a waste of a slot. i was wrong about how good itd b in reg h but idt that changes how it plays into the reg g meta

some of joes takes are.....interesting to say the least

even great players dont always get it right. and while it remains to fully be determined as of now i jus disagree completely that itll have some surge wen reg g returns

[foggy lodge]

I do too

I could even consider it for double restricted but for reg G nah

[rustic mountain]

the rng button matters more in this lower power format, u dont get those chances or can even capitalize on those chances in a restricted meta w/ sneasler

u want like prankster t wave as ur rng button

shit like that. not something like sneasler that can potentially net u nothing other then 25-40ish% damage and maybe a status affliction on most things

[foggy lodge]

also i just remembered tailwind is way more good in reg G than in this format so even things like Whimsicott or Talonflame can click tailwind and their partner can outspeed Sneasler

Sneasler is strong but the reg G meta doesn't help it any way

[foggy lodge]

True

[rustic mountain]

the meta matters so much and poison/fighting turns out to be really good atm and its basically in the fastest speed tier outside dpult. wen both those arent as effective, wat do u have?

[bold geode]

We talking about gambling

[rustic mountain]

lol

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/aventurine-star-rail-i-love-gambling-roulette-gif-15600735931808948001

[bold geode]

I love Thunder Wave
Thunder Wave Flutter was fuckin broken

[rustic mountain]

flutter is a nightmare for sneasler

among other mons

[solid frigate]

does Booster Speed Flutter Outspeed Unburden Sneasler

[rustic mountain]

uhhh

[foggy lodge]

No but what is Sneasler going to tank without sash

[rustic mountain]

yea it doesnt

[solid frigate]

nothing

[foggy lodge]

It wants both Unburden and sash at the same time

[rustic mountain]

but still it kinda does nothing in return or barely anything and then u jus die

[bold geode]

Dire Claw gotta do like almost half right

[rustic mountain]

hence me saying b4 then ur jus gamblin on dire claw to get u status and better hope its one that can help u

which is a terrible approach

[knotty mirage]

Kinda weird that reg G seem's to have more consistent match than current reg who have good amount of RNG

[foggy lodge]

i think the best it does is the psychological damage of seeing dire claw in team preview lmao

[rustic mountain]

recency bias is jus crazy to me in general

have ppl sayin theyd rather face urshifu over sneasler like plz b fr

[solid frigate]

for me i kinda just like whatever

[knotty mirage]

Tbf if you face urshifu you will know the end result is most of time

[solid frigate]

you gotta deal with it

[knotty mirage]

Sneasler tho yeah you ussualy will just pray alot when dire claw is clicked

[rustic mountain]

u get to break 1 game mechanic not 2 and urshi ignores 2 fundamental aspects of vgc its literally night and day

[foggy lodge]

I think i have more checks for Urshifu than Sneasler tbh

[solid frigate]

gonna use Iron Crown in Reg G for actual reasons lmao

[foggy lodge]

this meta needs something to handle Sneasler because i think the best mon for Sneasler is Electabuzz lol

[knotty mirage]

I guess there just not much thing to check sneasler yet urshifu there like billion way to check it

[foggy lodge]

In general Urshifu has always been targeted by many the meta in general

Sneasler too but we still haven't find a way to check it lol

[knotty mirage]

It most of times the fastest thing on the field so yeah

Urshifu tho it got outspeed by so many thing and get ohko by so many prio move

[rustic mountain]

i think u gta have something for it at this point otherwise wat r u doing rng can happen sure but even as displayed in lille finals that only matters so much (freeze over dire claw stuff but yea)

[foggy lodge]

My check was Metagross so im kinda fine against it

[rustic mountain]

id say dengo is prolly the most natural check into it but it doesnt always necessarily have to be as straightforward

[foggy lodge]

That too

[knotty mirage]

With how many time my dhengo got throat chop to death i'm not sure if that the best thing i could use

[rustic mountain]

most sneasler have dropped that now, also shouldnt be ohkoing u

usually its cc/dc/protect/fake out some use coaching over protect or fake out

[knotty mirage]

Surprisingly i don't see sneasler using fake out that much but it's probably because i exclusively play on in game ladder so what the heck

[rustic mountain]

relevant too where in the ladder u are tho too tbh whether its cart or sd

only 8/47 sneasler had throat chop in day 2 at lille
cc 47/47
dc 47/47
protect 38/47
fake out 24/47
coaching 23/47

some rando using lash out

[solid frigate]

its always 2 stabs + whatever your team comp is to make it as a flex option

[bold geode]

Dire Claw is the thing you got checks for, but technically Sneasler checks are already there

God thinking about things
After GC I might do a blogpost just talking about stuff
Idk lol

[fringe oar]

what tera does sneasler run?

[foggy lodge]

Usually Ghost or Stellar

Some run the tera dark throat chop combo

And some compositions with Garchomp use tera flying

[dense latch]

did this to a friend while labbing how do i apologize

[bold geode]

I've seen that happen lmao
So stupid

[solid frigate]

oml that just stupid

[solid frigate]

dark is usually fine against Psyspam

[fringe oar]

https://pokepast.es/097ba541e7452b0d this is for doubles uu, wondering ev spreads for g molt and chomp and what the last mon should be

[vital bloom]

Hey does anyone know a good moveset for Slitherwing? I searched it up but the wiki recommended having both first impression and choice band on it

So I’m just kinda confused

[next stump]

are you looking to play single or double battles?

[next stump]

i don’t play smogon doubles but i don’t see a reason why garchomp would deviate from the 252/252 spread it uses in VGC

[foggy lodge]

im watching journeys and they used Expanding force in terrain and the characters said "psychic terrain gave a little boost to expanding force" 💀

if they knew

[molten oasis]

hey y'all know if the outbreaks are shiny locked?

[vital bloom]

Single, I can show you my Slitherwing build rn from what the wiki recommended

[molten oasis]

i've gone through like 20 and gotten nothing

[foggy lodge]

No

But some friends have told me that its hard asf to get a shiny

[molten oasis]

lovely

[foggy lodge]

Maybe they messed up with something and the shiny rate fell a lot

[molten oasis]

it had to

once i get 1 shiny (hopefully female) vulpix im done lol

[foggy lodge]

I'm doing the same

I want to make my Metagross team in game

[molten oasis]

im on chomp a9 a lot so i wanna get a OT shiny a9

I GOT ONE AND ITS FEMALE

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-celebration-woohoo-jumping-gif-25834998

[dense latch]

congrats!! :))

[rustic mountain]

nice

reminds me i wanna build out the chomp/a9 core shouldnt have to ev train much jus tera and move choices/items

[chrome knot]

hi tr33

[rustic mountain]

yo

[molten oasis]

imma keep going for a bit tho

actually, nah

[rustic mountain]

wdym

[molten oasis]

hunting a9, i thought about it

theres other ways to get titles idc tbh

[molten oasis]

you gonna play Chua's stuff?

[rustic mountain]

his or 1 of the variants yea

[molten oasis]

cool, i haven't play with specs but i think sash is still good on a9

[rustic mountain]

yea both def have a place

imma start w/ specs and take it from there

[molten oasis]

i like protect tbh, but i get why specs is there

[rustic mountain]

not like imma hav to change evs or anything lol

[molten oasis]

yea

[rustic mountain]

i get that

protects great

[molten oasis]

i played specs and just, wished i had protect a lot of the time

especially sucks if you mess up the weather battle and get stuck clicking blizzard

without snow

[rustic mountain]

fair u def gta be way more specific how u position w/ specs, its a lot less flexible in that regard but that extra damage boost seems like it can be so nice

[rustic mountain]

watch lille finals

[dense latch]

lmao yeah that was insane

[molten oasis]

it got to finals again?

[rustic mountain]

a9 did yes

[dense latch]

i dont wanna spoil but it did great

[molten oasis]

same usual 6 or smth else?

[dense latch]

yeah

[rustic mountain]

i think same 6

[molten oasis]

ok

[rustic mountain]

gta double check

[molten oasis]

i'll look, ig

[rustic mountain]

its same 6

[molten oasis]

im messing with stuff with monke rn we just have a9 chomp on the team

[rustic mountain]

its not on vr yet
https://cut-explorer.stalruth.dev/2025/regional-lille

[molten oasis]

the duo's been pretty good

[rustic mountain]

this is better generally anyway ^

[molten oasis]

noted

[rustic mountain]

ice/ground is tried and true

[molten oasis]

yea, still, dnite hasn't clicked yet although i've given it another shot

also not used to that style of team but im taking this reg to explore outward a bit

[rustic mountain]

nice

[molten oasis]

cuz set up balance feels difficult to get going

[vital bloom]

Does anyone know the best moveset for single competitive Slitherwing?

[rustic mountain]

most of us r vgc here so no sorry

[molten oasis]

idk sorry

i might explore labmaus for other stuff people have done well with, ik that 6 is strong tho

[rustic mountain]

i think its kinda fallen off outside gambit sometimes w/ sd and like coaching sneasler. bulk up corv did jus win tho. i think it jus depends it cant be ur main mode

[dense latch]

that comp has been dominating regionals it's insane

[solid frigate]

Insert Caly Ice Trauma for me

[dense latch]

8/10 finalists were using chomp

[rustic mountain]

scale shot dnites been popping up more

[dense latch]

it's a great check for sneasler

[molten oasis]

actually messing with that rn

[rustic mountain]

yea its an extremely strong 6

[molten oasis]

the corv

[dense latch]

i swear i don't see it as much as I should

[rustic mountain]

oh u meant chomp specifically

yea chomps jus really good rn

[molten oasis]

that duo gets top 8 a lot, beyond the 6, damn

[dense latch]

yeah but the 6 is also really strong too

that's an understatement actually

[rustic mountain]

def one of the defining archetypes of the format thus far

[molten oasis]

glad it is

second favorite guy gets time to shine

[rustic mountain]

chomp?

or a9

[molten oasis]

a9

[dense latch]

this format has made me so happy bc typhlosion has finally become viable

[molten oasis]

i've stated that lmao

[foggy lodge]

https://youtu.be/BDzAaaYpb5I?si=8ulaA7DdO4PyyN2n

[molten oasis]

its behind zacian

[rustic mountain]

ik its 1 of ur favs, idt i had seen #2 specifically nd if u did i jus didnt remember

[molten oasis]

top 3 are zac a9 and, uhhhh

[rustic mountain]

this formats really fun imo

[molten oasis]

am i really about to say shifu lmao

[rustic mountain]

i had a lot of fun w/ h typh early format

[molten oasis]

oh no its pult

[dense latch]

btw drago how has the break been? hope it's helped you

[foggy lodge]

I just remembered

What happened to the Gengar Clefable balance

[molten oasis]

im off the break, i just needed time to recollect myself

[rustic mountain]

pults def one of my fav gen 9 mons

[dense latch]

i love hyphlosion as a pokemon but the way it's used doesn't fit my playstyle

[molten oasis]

i think

[rustic mountain]

outdated af. did not stand the test of time wen ppl figured out better comps

[molten oasis]

this format is a good way to explore other archetypes

[rustic mountain]

happens most times w/ early format teams

[foggy lodge]

yeah makes sense

[molten oasis]

because this format is so open, its easier to explore other options

[rustic mountain]

definitely, i think any format is but i get wat u mean in terms of the lower power lvl being more forgiving therefore allowing more wiggle room to figure out comps and archetypes and understand how to execute w/ them passed the surface level

[foggy lodge]

idk what would i want to play in this format

[molten oasis]

think im enjoying balance with chomp a9

[foggy lodge]

In archetypes i don't know what i'm doing lol

[molten oasis]

so im gonna stick with that, but i still wanna eventually find smth i like without going with the main 6

[rustic mountain]

pick up good teams

[foggy lodge]

yeah its good

I still think A9 Chomp is the best team of the format

[rustic mountain]

its up there

[molten oasis]

fs

its one of em, i think archa peli is up there as well

[foggy lodge]

i want to search a tier list of archetypes

there are only tiers of individual Pokémon

[molten oasis]

oh a metagross got 11-2 damn

[rustic mountain]

definitely

[molten oasis]

11th at louisville

huh, from what im seeing there's a lot of innovation within the 6

seeing a couple banded chomps and scale shot dnites

[rustic mountain]

also dengo/incin/shroom/sneasler/chomp/p2 core has also been very strong

[molten oasis]

they dropped the bear?

[rustic mountain]

joes team got top 16 at lille after his 2nd place

[rustic mountain]

seems like the most successful versions have yea

[molten oasis]

huh

both ursa's have fallen to chomp ig

[foggy lodge]

I think they are different mons

[molten oasis]

ik but its still odd

p2 ursa seemed really strong, and now its kinda not around

[rustic mountain]

its around

[foggy lodge]

But it would make sense because Ursaluna forces a gameplay more leaned to trick room whil Garchomp Sneasler P2 makes just a balance team with many ways to play

[rustic mountain]

wolfey got top 8 at louisville w/ it

[molten oasis]

oh

[rustic mountain]

nd had 5 top 32 finishes?

yea 5 outside of wolfey

[molten oasis]

ig i didn't really watch the last 2 regionals i was going off my ladder experience and what i've heard

[foggy lodge]

There's another version or P2 Ursa that uses the other bear and Farigiraf https://pokepast.es/b612ff7d6c165d16

[molten oasis]

oh i saw that team

looks neat

[rustic mountain]

its not that it isnt strong i think some ppl like having chomp in that slot and its proven pretty strong, andrew zheng won lousiville w/ it

i think both offer their own strengths

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

Ursa P2 have had a big target on their back since Baltimore tho so it would make sense that the archetype isn't as strong as it seemed in early days of the format

[dense latch]

AV Blursa's rise has been pretty cool

used to be like 90% lorb on it

[molten oasis]

av bear? cool

[foggy lodge]

Its good because of all the Primarinas and those things

[dense latch]

only 2 primarina in top 16 despite 22.8% usage in day 2

[molten oasis]

the fall of primarina?

[dense latch]

it kinda started in louisville

none in top 16, highest placing was t32

[solid frigate]

i think outside of Peli idk what water types could run

[dense latch]

yeah there's not really a big pool

tauros? solo dozo ig

[foggy lodge]

Basculegion but that's only in rain

[dense latch]

the scarf adapability set is decent

[kind sleet]

for water i use lapras

[dense latch]

yeah i wouldn't do that

unless you really like lapras

[kind sleet]

the moves are

freeze dry sheer cold body press and perish song

rocky helmet aswell

[dense latch]

it's a gimmick pokemon at best

[kind sleet]

im building a new team tho could u help?

i suck at team building

[dense latch]

anything you have so far?

[kind sleet]

lemme check

oh actually intelen might be good

inteleon

ahnilliape

tinkaton

gholdengo

thats kinda it

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2227311091

Huh

[solid frigate]

nah its still be used in normal teams

[solid frigate]

then play rentals first then teambuild

[kind sleet]

alr

[dense latch]

^

[solid frigate]

thats the mistake that could affect your VGC experience

if you teambuild first

[dense latch]

you'll understand how common cores work and how to counter them when using rental teams

[kind sleet]

can kommo o be used in competetive just asking

[dense latch]

yes

[kind sleet]

alr

[dense latch]

if you want i can find you a kommo-o team you can try out

[solid frigate]

IDBP or Clang Set

[kind sleet]

sure

[dense latch]

https://pokepast.es/26b46c5a61281721 this did really well at one of the last big vgc tournaments

[kind sleet]

alrnill check it out

[lofty tartan]

@rustic mountain you figure whether you're going to Toronto or not? 782 Registered and still Open

[kind sleet]

how does bisharp evolve again XD

and i dont have the dlc for basculegion

so m swapping

[lofty tartan]

You have to KO 3 Bisharps that are holding Leader's Crests

So find groups of Pawniard with one Bisharp and KO the Bisharp

[kind sleet]

does my bisharp need to hold 1?

[lofty tartan]

No

The opponent must be holding Leader's Crest

[kind sleet]

ok ty

[dense latch]

try the team out on showdown

so you don't have to build the team on cart

[kind sleet]

dumb queston

[lofty tartan]

If you have PLA you can evolve a Basculegion and transfer through Home

[kind sleet]

where does bisharp spawn again?

[dense latch]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/

[lofty tartan]

That bamboo forest in North Province Area Two

[kind sleet]

near firescourage?

[solid frigate]

w h a t

t h e

f u c k

[lofty tartan]

Clear Amulet Incin isn't unheard of - extremely common move set.

It's not ideal, but it's not unheard of

[molten oasis]

theres uh, better sets to say the least lol

[solid frigate]

even rocky helmet is fine cuz of Maus

[bold geode]

Scarf Adaptability works

[dense latch]

yeah im using it in a non-rain team rn damage is really good

[torn parrot]

im home

i socialized today

now its dinner time

[rustic mountain]

still figuring out logistics atm, will decide within the week for sure

[kind sleet]

is ceruludge tinkaton kommo o electabuzz kingambit and palafin a good team

[solid frigate]

and more VGC kek

[torn parrot]

i climb the ladder once every week

then i rest

[molten oasis]

Vgc players socializing? What?

With people that aren’t vgc players?

[torn parrot]

i know right
i had to force myself

[solid frigate]

lmao

https://tenor.com/view/cat-screaming-cat-scream-meme-red-eyes-gif-26345204

[next stump]

damn toronto already has almost 800 players?

[torn parrot]

toronto?

[lofty tartan]

Sure does

[spiral ridge]

Mhm

[lofty tartan]

It's going to be huge - especially since seats are still open

[spiral ridge]

Gonna sit back and watch the Canadians slug it out for champ

[torn parrot]

when is toronto

[lofty tartan]

There's a lot of people going that are from the US. xD

It's December 14 - 16

[spiral ridge]

I know I’m just assuming majority here

[lofty tartan]

I'm actually assuming majority is going to be American.

Toronto is a short trip.

Passports are easy to obtain

[spiral ridge]

For some American states yeah

I think it’s even easier for people in Canada

[chrome knot]

bwehehehe

[spiral ridge]

Like her

[next stump]

so we'll fall between 512-1024 players, so 8 rounds swiss + 3 rounds day 2

[lofty tartan]

Toronto is next door to New York. Very very close to the US border. You'd be surprised at how many people are going to fly from southern states - I expect a lot of the standard big name players are going to be there.

[lofty tartan]

So we're not doing 9 round swiss day one anymore, eh?

Kinda liked 9

[spiral ridge]

Where the fuck did Swiss come from btw

[next stump]

yeah in order to have 9 rounds we need....

2049 players LOL

[lofty tartan]

Holy hell.

[spiral ridge]

Yup powers of 2

[lofty tartan]

Pittsburgh was 9 rounds and it wasn't anywhere near that.

It was actually super small because lack of docks

[next stump]

anywhere between 257-2048 is 8 rounds day 1

[lofty tartan]

Pretty soon VGC is going to be creeping up on TCG numbers.

[spiral ridge]

Are we not higher

[lofty tartan]

No.

Pittsburgh had 1800 TCG Masters.

[spiral ridge]

Damn

[lofty tartan]

TCG is by far the more supported and more popular competitive environment. But there's also less micromanagement needed for it --- see: docks

[spiral ridge]

Makes sense

[spiral ridge]

Should I just go google

[lofty tartan]

The Swiss system was first employed at a chess tournament in Zurich in 1895 by Julius Muller - hence the name Swiss system

I googled it.

[spiral ridge]

Oh cool

[lofty tartan]

It was just such a competent system that there's never been a replacement for it.

[next stump]

I really like the new format but I do wish there was maybe one or two more rounds of swiss total

11 rounds for $70 (and that’s IF you make day 2) is a lot

of money*

[lofty tartan]

So to day 2 I need to go like 6-2

[next stump]

yes, 6-2 or better makes day 2

9-2 or better makes top cut

[lofty tartan]

I hear that 6-2 isn't quite a guarantee

Things are getting dicey

Or rather 9-2

[next stump]

it should be, it’s 18 points cutoff and each win is 3 points

[lofty tartan]

Not 6-2 --- my bad. Wires crossed.

[next stump]

you’re good 🙂

yeah I think some REALLY big tournaments 9-2 might not cut

[lofty tartan]

I saw some TCG Masters going on about 9-2 no longer being a guarantee and it's putting a lot up in the air. It likely only applies to them directly because of the scale of the tournaments

If VGC keeps expanding at this rate, we're going to see the same things

TCG has double to triple the participants each event

It's absolutely bonkers

[next stump]

I think you would likely need 1500ish players to make 9-2 not guaranteed

because right now there are at least 3 or 4 9-2’s in the top 8 always

[lofty tartan]

Like Pittsburgh was roughly 400-something

Now we're seeing 600, 700, 800 participants a year later

[lofty tartan]

Yeah TCG has these numbers on lock, so they're more distinctly affected by it. Okay.

I wish I could see the current registration number for TCG 😐

[rustic mountain]

yea tcg has way bigger numbers then vgc rn but that doesnt mean vgc cant get there soon its been rapidly increasing. in gens even like 5-6 years ago itd b like 90-100 person regionals for masters the fact its staying 600+ for almost every bigger regional is a great sign of things to come

[spiral ridge]

More cracked out of their minds players

[rustic mountain]

yea the talent has increased as a result too

[spiral ridge]

Player power creep

[rustic mountain]

in a way yea its gna happen the more ppl that are in a competitive space which is good but still gta give credit to the veterans they are well and kicking

[lofty tartan]

Oh no this is exactly 100% what I'm saying

[rustic mountain]

yea i wasnt saying u werent

[spiral ridge]

Oh for sure it’s just funny to call it that

[rustic mountain]

more jus a follow up statement

[lofty tartan]

Right right

Yeah it's getting pretty crazy

Registration numbers are just rapidly ballooning

[spiral ridge]

Some games I watch it’s just so well played out it feels just

Like I shouldn’t be watching these two are in their own world

[torn parrot]

gonna think of stupid names for every pokemon pair

[spiral ridge]

Pair? Like mausape?

[lofty tartan]

Dude sometimes the Juniors/Seniors are really cracked

I like watching their matches when available

[spiral ridge]

Oh yeah those kids don’t fuck around

Them at worlds

[torn parrot]

piss toilet

[next stump]

I wonder what an uncapped midwest US regional/international would look like for VGC

I bet with like Indianapolis or another cheaper city, VGC could easily get around 1500 players if the entry was ~$40

[spiral ridge]

It feels odd how much the game is growing yet they’re cutting back worlds size. True it’s for cream of the crop but

[rustic mountain]

its good to watch it can give a better understanding of wat top players are doing and how they are processing turns and then executing their gameplans

[rustic mountain]

u think?

[spiral ridge]

Oh yeah I still watch that shit

[next stump]

it HAS to be a cost cutting thing, I can’t imagine any other reason

[spiral ridge]

Yeah I agree

[rustic mountain]

thats a huge leap

[next stump]

they spent so much $$$ on worlds the last year or two with 1000+ players

[spiral ridge]

How much did they spend on Hawaii?

[rustic mountain]

yea 1500 jus feels like a big jump atm, not that we cant get there soon

we need to eclipse 1000 first for regionals

[rustic mountain]

idt we have exact numbers but u could tell it was a lot

[next stump]

well we are hitting cap on 800-1000 player regionals, i think with the right conditions we can get close to 1500 without a cap

[rustic mountain]

yea fair enough, i would definitely like to see it

[spiral ridge]

The opening ceremony. Cost to get a venue like that. All the stops they pulled yeah

Music produced specifically for worlds

They do a lot

[solid frigate]

Piss Toilet

[chrome knot]

https://tenor.com/view/roasting-max-sam%26max-sam-and-max-roasting-pit-gif-16026698945054253329

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/yourarchivist-orange-bunny-bunny-bunny-rub-bunny-pet-gif-8698959216037485971

[spiral ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/sam-%26-max-sam-and-max-max-sam-%26-max-hit-the-road-rabbit-gif-9808092360772654181

[next stump]

every player also gets a free backpack, hat, shirt, bag, and other stuff

[spiral ridge]

Yeah

Plus the people who won regionals got free rides right?

[molten oasis]

Sorry y’all got a backpack?

[spiral ridge]

Hawaii prob an expensive AF free ride to give 😭

[next stump]

yeah we got a backpack

and yes probably like 30ish people worldwide get free trips

[rustic mountain]

i mean they got a lot of money so its not like for them its a lot

but in general yea thats a lot of $ altogether

[spiral ridge]

Oh fs just I’m sure they’d like to be cheap

[solid frigate]

Free merch when i get to Birmingham i guess