competitive_discussion

[tiny karma]

- [Ice/Fairy]

Immune

Dragon

Resists (0.5x)

Bug, Dark, Ice

Neutral damage

Electric, Fairy, Fighting, Flying, Ghost, Grass, Ground, Normal, Psychic, Stellar, Water

Weak (2x)

Fire, Poison, Rock

Weak (4x)

Steel

Type Notes

Ice-types cannot be Frozen.
Ice-types have their Defense increased by 50% in Snow.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[molten oasis]

Meanwhile

[verbal night]

if you like hyper offense, then a tailwind sun or tailwind rain team might be good?

[random pecan]

Archaludon

[solid frigate]

we get it you love A9

[verbal night]

they're strong archetypes even if sneasler/pult is running the show now

[molten oasis]

i was comparing the types

[solid frigate]

fair lol

[molten oasis]

[solid frigate]

[verbal night]

Sneasler/Dragapult/Rilla/Primarina/Kingambit/Electabuzz is basically the current goodstuffs.

[molten oasis]

anyway gundam time

https://tenor.com/view/gundam-zeta-gundam-wiggle-waggle-fit-gif-2907436845947194945

[verbal night]

but they still gotta be somewhat careful around manual sun and rain teams

[rare pumice]

i just don't really get the idea of having both trick room and tailwind on one team that's not really something i'm use to

[solid frigate]

nice

[verbal night]

ah yeah that's understandable.
but the idea is that most teams struggle to cover against both archetypes at once

that way you aren't stuck losing a speed war, you just gotta be slower than the target.

[rare pumice]

let's say theoretically i do this, so far i'm thinking indeedee, gallade, whimsicott

[torn parrot]

I watched that witch from mercury gundam show it was great

[molten oasis]

im building kits lol

i have 8

[solid frigate]

i mean thats a good thing, i did that when i was younger

[torn parrot]

Ooo have fun

[molten oasis]

ty

[solid frigate]

what class are those btw

[molten oasis]

4 master grade, i think 2 high grade and 2 real grade

[torn parrot]

Trick room can also be used to counter trick room

[solid frigate]

damn good luck

[molten oasis]

one of the master grade is a ver ka, they're already built lmao

[chrome knot]

mayaaaaaaa

[torn parrot]

Heyyyyy

[molten oasis]

im working on one of my master grade's rn i just bought

[chrome knot]

i almost have shiny meloetta

[molten oasis]

how tedious has that been

[chrome knot]

my current team has both its rly smart actually

[verbal night]

I'd say don't pair whims & indd-f together, indd-f will block whimsicott's prankster from working right because psychic terrain

[chrome knot]

rly easy

[solid frigate]

Farigiraf:

[molten oasis]

oh really?

it sounded more annoying when i was looking at it initially

[rare pumice]

i do like farigiraf indeed

[chrome knot]

prio tw + fast expanding force from indeedee-m yippie

[rare pumice]

but then no psychic terrain for gallade ;c

[solid frigate]

if you have the paitence its alright (somehow i can't fucking type)

[molten oasis]

idk if fari luna whimsi+sweeper is that strong rn

[random pecan]

I got mine in 12h and the next day at school, I only slept

[bold geode]

Tailroom teams are alright
You just choose one depending on the matchup

[molten oasis]

or just fari whimsi sweeper

[verbal night]

actually delphox would be best for a psyspam team that wants e-force, indd-m sadly isn't that fast.

[chrome knot]

i just had over half of each dex completed when i started

[verbal night]

and delphox actually can scare rillaboom a little bit

[molten oasis]

oh fair enough

[solid frigate]

yep Withour Miraidon its just does not feel right after what reg G did to me lmao

[chrome knot]

so this is all i have left

[molten oasis]

wow yea you're super close

does the event end?

[chrome knot]

idt sos

[solid frigate]

223 if i recall in BB dex

[solid frigate]

nope

[chrome knot]

240..?

[molten oasis]

cool, im not gonna worry about it rn

[verbal night]

delphox basically works like hisuian typh but for psyspam

[random pecan]

tomorrow I help you finish it
240 is bb dex

[molten oasis]

240 sounds right but im not sure

[solid frigate]

oh

where the fuck i got 223 from

[chrome knot]

no its fine i have everything for it, i like just listening to music and catching stuff

i stopped for tn bc i was sleepy, otherwise i would’ve woulfve finished x)

[solid frigate]

i swear Terapagos is 220

Or i just forgor

[random pecan]

240

[rare pumice]

what is like the best item idea for indeedee right now

[chrome knot]

psychic seed

[random pecan]

psychic seed

[molten oasis]

for male sash female psychic seed

[verbal night]

psychic seed or sash

if you're really scared of getting ohko'd by gambit

[rare pumice]

i don't think that's a particularly big concern for me

[solid frigate]

sash for Male Indeedee cuz its a Sweeper

Psyspasm Sweeper

Psychic Seed or even Mental Herb for Female for Utility

[torn parrot]

Indeedee is so cute

[verbal night]

expanding force nukes are actually quite funny.
iirc there was this hisuian braviary that ran tinted lens with tera psychic for a short bit

[torn parrot]

Indeedee is like one of the cutest pokemon

[rare pumice]

if i do tailwind and trick room in one team should i use brave or adamant gallade? and should any evs go into speed at all?

[solid frigate]

The Kid Named Kingambit:

[verbal night]

honestly gallade would like bulk more than speed.
It's in an awkward speed tier where it can't go that fast with tailwind, even still I'd say adamant

[molten oasis]

cat

[chrome knot]

kid named tera fighting tera blast

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-pussy-cat-cute-kitten-gif-16158951

[molten oasis]

the p2 special

[rare pumice]

i'm thinking sharpness gallade with sacred sword, psycho cut, protect, and maybe leaf blade + razor claw combo to help against dondozo?

[verbal night]

https://munchstats.com/gen9vgc2024regh/1760/Gallade
This might help with getting some ev spread starts

[molten oasis]

i was talking about incin lol

[verbal night]

sacred sword already ignores boosts to defense

[solid frigate]

still nothing goes wrong with regular Cats

[rare pumice]

yea but leaf blade is super effective to dondozo i thought that might be worth considering

[verbal night]

it's not worth running leaf blade, even if you're tera grass gallade

[solid frigate]

just run double STAB

[rare pumice]

i have no idea what the fourt move should be then ngl

[verbal night]

yeah it is super effective but without the defense being ignored it's not consistently going to do it in

[solid frigate]

Double Stab,Trick Room,Protect

[verbal night]

Gallades go like.
Psycho Cut/Sacred/TR/Protect

I did some calcs and leaf blade even on a crit doesn't scare dozo that badly.
trust me. hisuian decidueye tried to do that

[random pecan]

second shiny hattrem

[rare pumice]

would it be possible to do eject button indeed-f to help bring out more threatening pokemon quickly since i'm going to have several trick room users?

[random pecan]

what about H Lilligant?

[verbal night]

really tho.
This site is super helpful and gives you general ideas of the mons that other mons partner with. I use it for my teambuilding

[molten oasis]

...ig but, why

[verbal night]

See hisuian lilligant can put it to sleep and start wailing on it after

and those hisuian lilligant teams have torkoals to reduce damage from wave crash

and also an ursaluna guts facade to hit it over and over

[solid frigate]

Drago now you see why i am losing Braincells

[verbal night]

tera grass is hard for lilligant to break through, but you've got the very fire torkoal right there and can after you + eruption or stall it out by damaging the dozo a bit first, then going for that to see what tera they are.

I really hate fighting dondozo though

like, dondozo can win that matchup by wearing down the lilligant's team but it's not going to like being in that situation

[molten oasis]

you should keep that to yourself

[verbal night]

sadly a lot of dondozo's power is that you can just not bring it to a match and the enemy is forced to bring their answers.

I know trick room balance teams sometimes go for amoonguss & clear smog/spore/rage powder

dondozo doesn't like that and presumably nobody is going to come in running goggles tera steel

Primarina also makes dondozo hate life

You have 1 of two options with the primarina on balance teams.
Option 1: Haze.
Option 2: Perish song

usually haze is the better option for prim tho cause then you can pair it with gholdengo and haze away the make it rain drops.
Though using perish song with gholdengo being immune due to good as gold is also funny. but at that point you've got a dondozo at +2 desperately trying to kill what it can before it goes down for good cause it can't switch

[bold geode]

Me after sipping that tea

[verbal night]

Sinistcha is actually good into dondozo but it doesn't like the current top mons

[rare pumice]

i would say special attackers are a bigger problem this season so i'm going to choose sassy indeedee

[molten oasis]

lol

special attacker are cool when it isn't csr

[solid frigate]

kek

[verbal night]

sassy indeedee is an option, but actually you'd prefer maxing out your defense since indd-f already has a higher special defense stat and takes those hits rather well in comparison to the physical

still. sassy is a good option

[rare pumice]

i was thinking of 252 hp, 220 defense, and 36 special defense with sassy specifically

[verbal night]

uh question though, are you running psychic seed on the indd-f

cause that's just +1 spdef by default at that point you don't need to invest

[rare pumice]

alright

[dawn crown]

Why is everyone running unseeded male

[verbal night]

because indd-m doesn't have the bulk it wants to even with psychic seed.
he needs the sash to live consistently

[dawn crown]

Indeedee male

[rare pumice]

i have a different indeedee-f strat i want to try before i settler on bold psychic seed

[verbal night]

aight

man. I have so many cool mons to use for comp but I just never make any of them a part of my teams and I feel sad about that.

like I want to use my cool volcaronas, but I haven't found a volc team I like yet this regulation

[rare pumice]

i like volcarona + hitmontop

[verbal night]

oh man I haven't thought about hitmontop in a long while

[rare pumice]

volcarona really appreciates the intimidate + wide guard support

this might be a whacky choice but i really like the idea of lurantis for this trick room team

[random pecan]

what item should Gallade use?

clear amulet?

[rare pumice]

that's what i'm using right now

https://pokepast.es/add7382b2dfa1f7e this is the team i'm using for right now

[random pecan]

Ey, thats almost my team

we

[rare pumice]

i figured if i'd be having a fire type or two then i should give torkoal a chance

[random pecan]

Torkoal is really fun once you know what it can do

I really hated it before actually using it

[rare pumice]

aww that didn't work either

[random pecan]

[rare pumice]

i figured i should just delete that

[cyan smelt]

you need to choose share replay then copy the link

[rare pumice]

maybe one day i shall make this team in the actual game

[random pecan]

I’m doing my team in the actual game

in full shiny

[rare pumice]

i deleted all of my pokemon save data from the past 10 years so i'm not late enough into the game to make it

[torn parrot]

D:

[verbal night]

one thing, if you're using incineroar with assault vest, pick throat chop or knock off and replace the other with u-turn because that'll help you pivot

[rare pumice]

i guess knock off is proving more useful so far

[rare pumice]

i think i may have found a potential dondozo check

[mighty stump]

If you’re having trouble with sets its a good idea to check Pikalytics/Munchstats

[rare pumice]

if i tera ice do i get the defense boost from snow?

[mighty stump]

You do.

Not sure if its really worth it though considering Ice is a really poor defensive typing

W the amount of Steel types you need to respect as well.

[rare pumice]

if an ice type becomes a non ice type does that also keep the defense boost?

[mighty stump]

No

Cause you’re not an Ice-type.

[rare pumice]

alright

[bold geode]

Hey Tofu

[molten oasis]

if only it didn't change, then maybe snow would be a better archetype

this is cope

[bold geode]

My ass itches

Typhlosion is still spelled wrong

waiting

[mighty stump]

???

[bold geode]

Oh I just wanted to interrupt Drago

Cuz why not

[rare pumice]

https://pokepast.es/b42f9175e3155e6f how does this team look so far, i'm thinking talonflame is the only one not making an impact

[lofty tartan]

Talonflame there is a wild enigma.

Flame Body over Gale Wings. U-turn? Overheat? What are you doing, man

Talonflame there like a poster boy for general confusion

He doesn't even know how he got there.

[rare pumice]

i like his confusion

don't worry though i recognize the problems i was just trying something new

[lofty tartan]

It may be a good reason why it feels like he's not pulling his own weight. But overall what do you hope to accomplish with Talonflame?

Ultimately he ensures speed control. If he sticks around for more, that's icing on a cake

[rare pumice]

speed control was really the only thing it was doing but i was hoping to spread some burns around with him too, which is why i did high hp investment, and since i wanted him to stay around longer, i didn't use recoil moves

but ultimately not contributing much so it's gotta go

[torn parrot]

What the

Another regional already???

We JUST had one

https://tenor.com/view/scream-cat-loud-angry-gif-26168455

IT’S TIME FOR SOME MORE REG H

EEYYYAAAAAaaaaaaa

[knotty mirage]

If i want to use hisuian typhlosion is it better to give it scarf or spec ?

[torn parrot]

If tailwind run a damage item

If not run scarf

[knotty mirage]

Hmm is running scarf with tailwind is bad idea then idk i just seeing too much scarf dhengo that also have tailwind

[smoky hawk]

Ah, a VGC regional beginning when I'm going to bed

So awesome

[torn parrot]

Goodnight

[azure ether]

My goat thank you for your genius. I won locals yet again

[gentle crag]

blink6138 has given 1 Gen Rep to dollarmonke

[molten oasis]

Yur

I’m posing my gundam rn

[chrome knot]

lille regional yay

[lofty tartan]

https://p-bandai.com/us/item/N2755132001001

Gundam INTENSIFYING

[solid frigate]

didn't know they will print your team,neat

[real prairie]

had an early night, i miss anything exciting last night?

[real prairie]

I hope this is the same for regionals, that as the open teamsheet for my opponent would be so much better than it listed visually

[lofty tartan]

They don't print your sheet at regionals.

You get a printed sheet, just not one that looks like that

The one you receive is just text, in multiple languages to cover the international nature of the events

[chrome knot]

^^

[real prairie]

not great for dyslexics then lol

[lofty tartan]

My roommate did just fine.

He's dyslexic. You can lead a completely normal life full of reading boring work emails with dyslexia just fine. Lmao

But there's some color separation to make it a little easier on the eyes.

[solid frigate]

thats actually true

sure it would cost more money but i think its a nice addition

[solid frigate]

nope just brain rot

[azure ether]

they print for those that registered early online. walk-ins have to write on paper still

[solid frigate]

fair enough

The system is good for it

occasionally run Moonblast???

dude i never seen someone not run Moonblast Whims

Archa Rain vs Sun Psyspam

very good play for Marco

[solid frigate]

Rain won

[bold geode]

You actually won that shit?

[spiral ridge]

HAHAHAG

monkey is shocked to see someone get results from him

[chrome knot]

@spiral ridge i did it

i wanna order fooddddd

[spiral ridge]

Yayy good job that was fast

Get some food then dumbie

[chrome knot]

i cant!!!!

it’s too early for good food

[spiral ridge]

Get like a bacon egg and cheese bagel

[solid frigate]

Get food now

[random pecan]

https://pokepast.es/5b08d1948c906176what do you think of my team now?

[solid frigate]

page not found

https://pokepast.es/5b08d1948c906176

[random pecan]

I put what in

sorry

[solid frigate]

seeing Gambit without Kowtow Cleave is just

also no EVs on Torkal?

[random pecan]

max hp and spatk

[spiral ridge]

Attack and speed EV on that torkoal 😭

Is what it says

[chrome knot]

noooo i want crunchwrap supreme

[random pecan]

https://pokepast.es/9da3824e9bde2920

[spiral ridge]

By the way

[random pecan]

now?

[spiral ridge]

Do wide guard on gallade

It’s better especially vs mirrors

And like eq dozo and any spread move

[random pecan]

I see

[solid frigate]

Yea EV spread is just-

[random pecan]

ok

[solid frigate]

IVs btw

[random pecan]

[random pecan]

I want to full shiny, thats why the IVs are weird

I know 0 atk and speed is better

[chrome knot]

@spiral ridge give crunchwrap suprem

pwease i hungry

[spiral ridge]

Oh didn’t read that

[spiral ridge]

Give address then

[solid frigate]

kek

[random pecan]

I got the team now

time to lose

[spiral ridge]

Real

[karmic temple]

TENTACRUEL ??

[foggy lodge]

There's a Tentacruel Avalugg in stream

5-1 btw💀

[random pecan]

my enemy plays sun too

[karmic temple]

Tenta one of my gen 1 babies

[bold geode]

I go back on stream and see a Tentacruel and Weavile
Tf is happening

[random pecan]

Justified Arcanine wtf

[karmic temple]

This reg my favorite reg

[foggy lodge]

90% OF A KNOCK OFF

WHY IS HE USING TENTACRUEL

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 73: Tentacruel

Types

Water/Poison

Abilities

Clear Body, Liquid Ooze, Rain Dish (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

80/70/65/80/120/100

Total

515

Sableye version 4.28.1

Ability: Liquid Ooze

This Pokemon damages those draining HP from it for as much as they would heal.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[bold geode]

Wtf is this doing

[bold geode]

How's the wife

[karmic temple]

He’s great, wishing he would see more play this reg but metas change

[bold geode]

At least he's loaded

[karmic temple]

Truu

[chrome knot]

im unsure who to cheer for here these teams are crazy

[atomic mural]

luigi ftw

[bold geode]

Huge miss

That Blizzard miss won Jamie that game lol

[foggy lodge]

ggs

Even if it freezes he loses from pp stall

[atomic mural]

[bold geode]

THAT WAS GAME 1

[atomic mural]

ye

[bold geode]

Krookodile Tentacruel Avalugg
Wtf

[foggy lodge]

i don't know who should i cheer i don't like none of this teams lol

[bold geode]

YES
JAMIE USING AZUMARILL

I always thought it was usable for sure

[atomic mural]

what is that item jamie has on his sinistcha

[foggy lodge]

Its usable

[atomic mural]

meadow plate?

[foggy lodge]

Desperate for an offensive fairy type

[bold geode]

Jamie rn is like "man I can't get hit by weird shit, I AM THE WEIRD MAN"

[atomic mural]

araquanid tera fairy tera blast 💪

[bold geode]

Arassquanid

[foggy lodge]

no beat up?

[solid frigate]

Arassquanid fr

[foggy lodge]

que

PICKPOCKET

Belly drum

[atomic mural]

does the snow defense boost power up avaluggs body press?

[foggy lodge]

No

[atomic mural]

ok

[foggy lodge]

Aqua jet doesn't kill

lmao

AHAHAHA

[chrome knot]

interesting set ig

[atomic mural]

https://pokepast.es/2ceddc4f284cd097 was looking at reg g teams on lab maus and what is this

[chrome knot]

lugia stall

[spiral ridge]

Anyone have time stamps for the games so far

A car at the gas station behind me has a haunter plush in the front peaking through the glass
It’s adorable

[solid frigate]

this team just dies against Miraidon Farigiraf Lead

[atomic mural]

well its not my issue

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKkmrzgDVK8

[patent marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-gambling-gif-4822326163116896763

sneasler moment

[foggy lodge]

Should be the other way because Sneasler never loses when it clicks dire claw

[atomic mural]

"i cant stop winning!"

freeze would be 10x better if it was like frostbite from legends arceus

[knotty mirage]

It could be implemented in next gen

I guess the reason why frostbite doesn't exist on SV because the game was developed almost at same time as PLA

[atomic mural]

sneasler moment

cant wait to see tera fairy incineroar comments

[solid frigate]

Clefairy,Flutter Mane,Primarina

Mega Gardevoir(Kinda),Sylveon

i would assume

[foggy lodge]

Tapus

Xerneas

[atomic mural]

casual no pokemon alive win

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2226407485

Pfft Sylveon go brrrr

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2226409759

[chrome knot]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2226022930

this what i meant

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2226412462

3 wins in a row with a new team?

[dapper crag]

Meloetta team: Credits @random pecan for the Meloetta set

Whimsicott/ Chi Yu are fantastic partners for Meloetta. (Rillaboom is the last Pokémon)

[random pecan]

shouldn’t give me the credit for @chrome knot s build

[dapper crag]

Oh sorry credits @chrome knot

[dapper crag]

20 W / 1 L in DOU

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2226420225

[rustic mountain]

that last round was heat the pokemon choices were crazy

[solid frigate]

wait what is it

[dapper crag]

Electabuzz is wild

[rustic mountain]

for lille some guy had tentacruel avalugg krookodile

[solid frigate]

its not really wild its literally one of the best follow me user-

[solid frigate]

I'm questioning their sanity

[rustic mountain]

they almost day 2'd lol

[solid frigate]

Reg H be like

[rustic mountain]

boyt beat em, his team had some less used picks but def less wild then his opp (had azu and weavile)

[solid frigate]

but still thats some good teambuilding tho

[solid frigate]

Azu make sense

Weavile is meh but i seen someone uses it

[rustic mountain]

it had rain support (arch peli) so it could proc stamina for arch while hitting a faster speed tier vs most of the meta. also ice type is generally pretty nice offensively

[solid frigate]

yeah agree on that

[rustic mountain]

its not great or anything but it seemed to fit the role he needed

he started 0-2 then went on the win every set

[solid frigate]

progress i would say

[chrome knot]

tree look pm new paste and new spread idea

[rustic mountain]

u dm'd me?

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/9439855ea2a20988

Also Tree i tested a Sylveon Chomp Team just now and it got some positive win rate,is it alright enough?

[rustic mountain]

i feel like ur tw mode could be stronger but if its getting u wins nd ur enjoying it

[dapper crag]

Oh it gets that?

[foggy lodge]

hmmm i have a Sylveon Chomp team but its private from another player

I guess i could share the OTS atleast

https://pokepast.es/5f3abdcca8b2f615

I think Gengar is pretty mid in this team tbh, when i played it i barely picked it

[solid frigate]

hmmmmmm

[foggy lodge]

im seriously considering dual wingbeat Talonflame to beat Sneasler

[rustic mountain]

@bold geode
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpYQjgZ6Yqw wolfey explains his reasoning for yanmega starts at like the 4min mark

i knew it wasnt for the memes

[torn parrot]

@chrome knot hello manic pixie dream girl unstable wife bunny enthusiast

[solid frigate]

you coul

[spiral ridge]

Addressing her in her full glorious title

[chrome knot]

hello Maya hru todayyy

[dapper crag]

At least your not like me. I ran choice specs gale wing hurricane talonflame with rain 😜

Oh and don’t forget! TERA FLYING

[chrome knot]

._.

[dapper crag]

it works

Anyways…

[torn parrot]

I’m hungry

ITS LUNCH TIOIMMMMMEEE

[chrome knot]

real

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/TorvivVGC/status/1847658210200592429

Torviv! (@TorvivVGC) on X

7-1!!!

Termino el primer día de Dortmund con muy buenas sensaciones.

Mañana toca seguir representando a @Esportmaniacos y darlo todo 🫡🫡

Twitter · Oct 19, 2024, 3:16 PM

Torviv regional champion plsplspls

[chrome knot]

Marco fiero winning it

[bold geode]

Yotam said it was mostly a joke, though there was reasoning lol

[foggy lodge]

It has a niche

But i think Vivillon is better overall

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/sylveon-pokemon-gif-22861565

me currently

[torn parrot]

”what does Antony Star do in his free time, he plays last war”

https://tenor.com/view/scream-aaugh-aughhh-gif-26227378

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-screaming-cat-scream-meme-red-eyes-gif-26345204

[craggy dagger]

[chrome knot]

hai nova gmmmm

[solid frigate]

we screm

[torn parrot]

😭 the fact that Barry nearly said Joe is “our dad”

After kissing iris

[solid frigate]

Flash Live TV Show is just-

[chrome knot]

you what

[craggy dagger]

[torn parrot]

||Barry kissed iris not me||

Also he’s fictional

And the flash

Iris is his adopted sister

||And his girlfriend||

[nocturne holly]

Wait

are we talking about the CW flash

[torn parrot]

Yeah

[real prairie]

i did say not great, not impossible haha

missed the regional 😦 was pumpkaboo picking turns out they had sunflora too

[torn parrot]

Day 2 hasn’t happened

[real prairie]

oh, just assumed i missed something as it came up on YT

they never put the bloody streams in my sub box

[dull ibex]

does misty terrain still lower dragon moves?

[chrome knot]

yes

[dull ibex]

oh then I need to lead grimm more lmao

meter and claw are dangerous

[real prairie]

As long as either the target or user is grounded

a dragonite hitting a salamance wouldn't have its moved weakened if im not mistaken

[dull ibex]

I dont think that matters actually

It halves the power of Dragon-type moves used against affected Pokémon (regardless of whether the user of the move is affected by Misty Terrain). this is for gen 6

[real prairie]

interesting

[dull ibex]

awesome

[real prairie]

because it matters for priority negation on physicic terrain, i know that much

[torn parrot]

So can you will o wisp a flying type in misty terrain

[real prairie]

should be able to, yeah

[torn parrot]

You know what I’m not excited for

Urshifu

[real prairie]

so dragonite, Salamance, hydraigon etc all subject to will o wisp

[real prairie]

ive quite liked being able to use Protect again

[torn parrot]

I KNOW RIGHT

[dull ibex]

why am I not allowed to play pokemon

[torn parrot]

ITS LIKE
I CAN PROTECT AGAIN

[dull ibex]

every winning game has Dc'd me

[real prairie]

hax

[torn parrot]

): I’m sorry

[random pecan]

I hope someone uses feint on you

[torn parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/toby-cry-phone-spider-man-cry-phone-spider-man-phone-toby-phone-gif-12875606672124040541

[random pecan]

Dondozo no giri?

[dull ibex]

its a good thing my sweepers are grounded 👀

[real prairie]

feint ≠ tera water boosted stab surging strikes

[dull ibex]

https://pokepast.es/b6f0c110f5fae1ea heres the team

[torn parrot]

How do you consistently beat calyrex ice

[random pecan]

true

[torn parrot]

iron defense zama and get an imprison trick room user maybe

[dull ibex]

ive also HEAVILY considered parting shot over misty

[atomic mural]

Araquanid

[random pecan]

Tera Fairy Archaludon

[torn parrot]

Is true

[real prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/sun-spongebob-gif-5445209

[torn parrot]

Bronzing could wall the ursaluna calyrex ice combo

No it can’t

Bloodmoon two shots everything

[real prairie]

can you guess which pokemon faces well into Calyrex ice @torn parrot 🙃

[atomic mural]

Araquanid

[torn parrot]

What

[real prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/incineroar-pokemon-gif-27110602

[torn parrot]

I mean hardly

Guy is prepared

[foggy lodge]

You don't need imprison tr

[real prairie]

i was more just messing due to the typing lol

[atomic mural]

Araquanid with wide guard and Tera grass zamazenta had done very well for me

[real prairie]

more excuse to mention that bloody cat lol

[torn parrot]

I love incin

[foggy lodge]

Sounds fine

[torn parrot]

People hate incin but I love him so much

[atomic mural]

I love incin too

[torn parrot]

I think he’s super healthy too

[foggy lodge]

It resists both its stab and can use wide guard

[atomic mural]

And I have a niche thing on my team with entrainment water bubble onto my zamazenta

[torn parrot]

I wanan make a new zama team

[foggy lodge]

idk my Caly Ice Match up has always been hard

Having basically no resistance to ground and 3 pokemon weak to ice is hard

[real prairie]

i prefered him before he stood up

[atomic mural]

https://pokepast.es/4e93be31812fc9ca heres my zama team

[random pecan]

I won the weather war
killed Pelipper while Torkoal is only half ded

[torn parrot]

This is why I think it’s debatable about calyrex shadow being better

Peopel say oh you don’t need anything to get shadow started

But ice has closes the gap with godly bulk and better offensive combination and trick room I feel is ultimate form of speed control

[atomic mural]

caly shadow is also alot easier to counter

[torn parrot]

Yeah

[random pecan]

and they spam protect on Dondozo not knowing I have no grass moves

[atomic mural]

honestly araquanid with entrainment could be one of the better partners for both gen 8 dogs

[real prairie]

when i was facing them a few months ago while practicing in Ubers i used to just nuke them with Scarf water spout Kyorgre + Ludicolo muddy water combo lol

[torn parrot]

You tell me how to beat shadow I say a dark type you tell me how to beat ice
I’m like fuck

[real prairie]

very few things survived 2 rain boosted water hits to get TR up

[atomic mural]

araquanid does so well into alot of restricteds honestly

[random pecan]

imagine hitting fissure but target still lives with 1hp

[atomic mural]

focus sash does that right

[random pecan]

yeah

[real prairie]

fissure fails if user is sashed if im not mistaken

[foggy lodge]

Ice is better

[tiny karma]

Move: Fissure

Deals damage to the target equal to the target's maximum HP. Ignores accuracy and evasiveness modifiers. This attack's accuracy is equal to (user's level - target's level + 30)%, and fails if the target is at a higher level. Pokemon with the Sturdy Ability are immune.

Type

Ground

Category

Physical

Power

0

Accuracy

30

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[foggy lodge]

CalyIce hits as hard as CalyDow but it tanks the double

[random pecan]

it activates sash instead of killing

[real prairie]

i was thinking of sturdy

[random pecan]

Lilligant Torkoal

first time protect came in handy for Lilligant too

[atomic mural]

I need more games against other reg g teams

[random pecan]

stopped a Pelippers Hurricane

oh sheit, BM Ursaluna Gholdengo Armrouge Indeedee

[real prairie]

people will still lead after you - eruption into my maus and i don't understand why, im always going to click follow me in front of Lillikoal

[random pecan]

I will do it infront of indeedee

watch them trick room instead

they went for trick room

[atomic mural]

araquanid saftey goggles

[random pecan]

t1 double kill

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 936: Armarouge

Types

Fire/Psychic

Abilities

Flash Fire, Weak Armor (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

85/60/100/125/80/75

Total

525

Sableye version 4.28.1

[random pecan]

it has flash fire

Wide Guard Armarogue

protected from almost dead Torkoal eruption

[real prairie]

someone brought a scarf tyranitar and rockslid against my wide guard pelliper lol

[random pecan]

time to try after you trick room

I don’t even need after you

[atomic mural]

brother what

how does inteleon have more usage then caly ice in reg g showdown

[random pecan]

tera fire, sun boosted, specs, helping hand eruption

[torn parrot]

I think reg G is a dead ladder right now

[atomic mural]

its not even available

[cyan smelt]

nothing i try seems to work, it's so frustrating to fail all the time

[atomic mural]

I dont know what my set on rillaboom wants to be (cant run assault vest because thats what my incin has)

[molten oasis]

Reg g ladder ain’t a thing

[atomic mural]

ik

[cyan smelt]

i just lost to a bullet seed into stamina archaludon

[torn parrot]

What u got?

Team i mean

[atomic mural]

https://pokepast.es/4e93be31812fc9ca

[real prairie]

reg G showdown is back?

[atomic mural]

no

i was just looking at what common ev spreads rillaboom had

and noticed that inteleon had usage

[real prairie]

not unusual, loaded dice Rilla or Breloom?

[atomic mural]

also this

[torn parrot]

Seed is probably okay

[real prairie]

as Terapagos is a restricted it will naturally have a lower useage as there are less in peoples teams

wo-chien is interesting though

[atomic mural]

its just funny to look at

[chrome knot]

mayawayamayawayamayawaya

[atomic mural]

I bet this is because some people forgot to give rillaboom grassy surge on showdown team builder

[cyan smelt]

i think it was loaded dice bullet seed

[chrome knot]

no?

loaded dice bullet seed still used grassy surge x)

[real prairie]

think he was responding to me from eariler lol

[solid frigate]

or just

Pelipper Wide Guard

[atomic mural]

[solid frigate]

yea your bias on Araquanid does not work in this scenario

[atomic mural]

ok but araquanid gives me more enjoyment

[random pecan]

indeedee is so tanky

now its pelipper against kingambit

and I won

[real prairie]

ka---boom

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2226539276

[random pecan]

7 hits, no static

[real prairie]

they run vital spirit

[random pecan]

ahhh

why would they?

isn’t static just better?

[real prairie]

no

[knotty mirage]

In this reg don't think so

[real prairie]

you are using it as a follow me user, it prevents the hypnosis/spore spammers

[random pecan]

ahh, true ig

[craggy dagger]

is brambleghast any good this regulation-

[real prairie]

not that ive seen

[craggy dagger]

[knotty mirage]

Prolly gimmicky at best

[real prairie]

but you could be the first

[random pecan]

[craggy dagger]

i think so?

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2226522447

[real prairie]

feels immediately shut down by TR

[craggy dagger]

not if you have teammates :3

i remember bramble being everywhere cause of bleakwind storm.
ig now that bleakwind is gone it’s not much use
still useful for taking heat waves and hurricanes thkugh

[tiny karma]

Ability: Wind Rider

This Pokemon is immune to wind moves and raises its Attack by 1 stage when hit by a wind move or when Tailwind begins on this Pokemon's side.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[real prairie]

that person used hurricane on it, would not use that as a good example 🤣

[craggy dagger]

ikkkk

[random pecan]

Pachirisu

[knotty mirage]

Can't wait for next reg so i can finally give my shiny zacian and zamazenta master rank ribbon

[craggy dagger]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reghbo3-2226403256

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reghbo3-2226406237

i saw
barraskewd and a no shadow ball chandy-

bramble is fun though :0

[real prairie]

he got the double protect -_-

2nd person to hurricane into bramble though lool

[craggy dagger]

yeah they don’t know what wind rider does-
it’s been a year

[real prairie]

LOL

you see it gain an Atk boost, dont fire wind attacks into it lol

[craggy dagger]

[real prairie]

if you didn't see the TW boost, okay maybe benefit of the doubt

but that Atk boost should be enough of a reminder lol

[craggy dagger]

ehhh
i think some people think wind rider is only for tailwind

cause the ability description mentions tailwind

[real prairie]

maybe

[craggy dagger]

classic vgc players can’t read scenario

[real prairie]

also ludicolo really does go boom https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2226550304

[tiny karma]

Ability: Wind Rider

This Pokemon is immune to wind moves and raises its Attack by 1 stage when hit by a wind move or when Tailwind begins on this Pokemon's side.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[craggy dagger]

cause it says tailwind and hyperfocus on that

quick and easy :3

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2226554400

no wind rider needed

[rare pumice]

https://pokepast.es/a1e811a272f394e4 i think i've found a far superior replacement for talonflame in volcarona

[craggy dagger]

bzzzzzt

they do 2 different things

[real prairie]

why Tera steel?

surely Tera grass or water

[craggy dagger]

also no speed control Balance HO hybrid ?

[rare pumice]

i really struggle with speed control

[craggy dagger]

also earthquake + grassy terrain
nice

[rare pumice]

i chose tera steel for the number of resistances and the immunity to dire claw

[craggy dagger]

tera dark so you don’t get taunted or encored

neutral to dire claw, neutral to steel 4x

[real prairie]

close combats would be an issue in tera dark

[craggy dagger]

or tera water ig

[tiny karma]

Staraptor's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Aerial Ace, Astonish, Brave Bird, Close Combat, Double-Edge, Dual Wingbeat, Endeavor, Facade, Fly, Frustration, Fury Attack, Giga Impact, Natural Gift, Pluck, Pursuit, Quick Attack, Retaliate, Return, Revenge, Secret Power, Sky Attack, Steel Wing, Tackle, Take Down, Thief, U-turn, Wing Attack

Special Moves

Air Cutter, Air Slash, Echoed Voice, Final Gambit, Heat Wave, Hidden Power, Hurricane, Hyper Beam, Mud-Slap, Ominous Wind, Round, Snore, Struggle Bug, Swift, Tera Blast, Twister, Uproar

Status Moves

Agility, Attract, Captivate, Confide, Defog, Detect, Double Team, Endure, Feather Dance, Foresight, Growl, Helping Hand, Laser Focus, Mirror Move, Protect, Rain Dance, Rest, Roost, Sand Attack, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Tailwind, Toxic, Whirlwind, Work Up

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Staraptor.
A move displayed with Underlined text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by a Pokémon Terastalised as a Fighting-type.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[real prairie]

tera ghost is amazing into Sneasler if thats the aim, stops fake out and close combat and resistant to dire claw

[craggy dagger]

i could have sworn staraptor gets final gambit-

[real prairie]

its there

[tiny karma]

[gen9] Staraptor

Final Gambit:

• As Staraptor by level up (57)
• As Staravia by level up (48)
• As Starly by level up (41)

Sableye version 4.28.1

[rare pumice]

i think i like tera water or grass, grass for high power giga drain especially on grassy terrain, or water for more resistances

[real prairie]

agreed

[craggy dagger]

it’s a special move-?

i thought it was status lol

[real prairie]

it is but not that it matters because of what it does

[rare pumice]

i chose earthquake on dragonite because i couldn't think of a last move and i figured rillaboom won't always be available so it would be nice to have sometimes

[craggy dagger]

yaya

[craggy dagger]

stomping tantrum is prolly better cause there’s opposing rillaboom too

also multiscale fake out = 2x tantrum power

[rare pumice]

i wasn't aware it got stomping tantrum

[real prairie]

still hate GT weakens EQ

[chrome knot]

why ?

[craggy dagger]

balancing issues

[rare pumice]

i don't think i want stomping tantrum either way since i need inner focus which will negate flinch anyways

[craggy dagger]

Opinion on bramble-

[rare pumice]

maybe i'll do tera blast so i can still use stab normal without extreme speed incase psychic terrain is up

[real prairie]

P2 gets stab on non tera tera blast, but does that mean it gets 3x stab on Tera normal tera blast?

[craggy dagger]

stab is 1.5

so it gets 2x instead

[rigid crane]

Anyone know how to avoid getting the Error Code: 2-ALZXA-0007

[craggy dagger]

adaptability makes stab x2 so tera adaptability is 2.5x i believe

[real prairie]

adaptability is 2.25x

[tiny karma]

Ability: Adaptability

This Pokemon's moves that match one of its types have a same-type attack bonus (STAB) of 2 instead of 1.5.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[craggy dagger]

nope

[chrome knot]

im go back to nap

[craggy dagger]

oh
you mean tera + adapt

[real prairie]

Tera normal + Stab + Adaptability on P2 terablast

[rare pumice]

porygon2 doesn't get adaptability though

unless p2 means something else but i'm not good at lingo stuff

[real prairie]

oh my bad, thought thats why someone mentioned it

i didnt originally mention adaptability lol

Was just trying to work out the multiplier for tera normal tera blast p2

Well any normal type I guess doesn't need to be p2

[rare pumice]

i would've just assumed it worked the same way as any other pokemon that terastalizes into their own type and uses tera blase but i'm not too indepth into the numbers either so idk

somebody just used scale shot against my tera steel annihilape

[real prairie]

It's the only type that gets stab on non tera tera blast though which i guess is neat

[real prairie]

Maybe they were choice locked?

[rare pumice]

i'm not sure i just think it was cool because that effectively maxed out rage fist

[real prairie]

Yep, very handy

[bold geode]

Who just pinged me in rentals?

[loud shoal]

Hey everyone sorry for the unrelated question but I have an issue related to competitive play and I wanted to ask it. I have a question with my own ditto in competitive play. It's a lvl 100 ditto and I can't hypertrain it's HP any more because it already says "best" but he only has 300HP rather than 310HP (which I think it should have? because in VGC lvl 50 it only has 150HP rather than 155HP). Anybody know why? Thanks in advance.

[chrome knot]

300 @ lvl 100 is normal

[loud shoal]

Oh is it? Because I know for sure that in VGC my ditto has 150HP and everybody else has it at 155HP

[chrome knot]

[foggy lodge]

the only thing would be that your Ditto isn't EVd

[rare pumice]

i thought hyper training only raised to 30 ivs?

[chrome knot]

no…?

[loud shoal]

So I have given it max HP ups (the HP stat has stars next to it when viewing the stats) and it says the stat is "best" so idk what's going on

[real prairie]

It's possible you already had EVs spread into other areas thus not maxing out HP

Look at the graphs, they should sparkle and be a different colour when maxed out

For example

[bold geode]

@chrome knot I have Nova helping me with GC bullshit

[real prairie]

See the sparkles around HP and attack

[chrome knot]

LOL hf

she added a pretty key piece to my puzzle

[loud shoal]

Thanks for the response! So yes I have the sparkle next to the HP stat though, unless you can get the sparkle without maxing evs

[gentle crag]

dc5731 has given 1 Gen Rep to oneofakindof

[bold geode]

It like
If I told you some of the mons you'd think it's not strange but the thing I'm doing lmao

[real prairie]

You can't, so it's maxed out.

[chrome knot]

2 mons give away what im doing lmfao

[bold geode]

Honestly same lmao

[chrome knot]

meowscarada smeargle dragapult indeedee-m typhlosion-h whimsicott

[loud shoal]

That's so weird, I've seen ditto in VGC have 155HP and not 150HP though, do you know what's up with that?

[real prairie]

How do you know?

[loud shoal]

I've seen it in YouTube videos where people play VGC with ditto

[real prairie]

What game?

Can you share a vid?

[loud shoal]

https://youtu.be/dq-OyWKMGAE?si=ApITXABHDKCBEeyI

[real prairie]

Nevermind, lv50 is 155

[loud shoal]

Ohhh damn I'm so sorry I'm mistaken so, sorry for wasting your time thanks for helping!

[real prairie]

Not at all, happy to help

[craggy dagger]

i didn’t wym

you chose it yourself

[chrome knot]

u were affirming

ur the blame when it do well bc so far i’ve only lost in practice bc i lock in dumb things with the choice mons without thinking turns ahead lol

otherwise been flawless, @spiral ridge has seen it

[real prairie]

think im actually happy to take this team into ladder now, need to get to building

https://pokepast.es/50004bb4231b85e1

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/7efd8057451ca43f this team is kinda gas so far but needs work fs

I like the corv

[rare pumice]

are litten and grookey some of the wild starters in blueberry academy

[chrome knot]

yes

[rare pumice]

perfect...

[chrome knot]

..they all are

[rare pumice]

even the paldean starters??

[chrome knot]

no

you found the one exception

[molten oasis]

Everything but the paldean starters

[rare pumice]

i chose sprigatito and restarted just in time to get the event fuecoco and quaxly so i think i'll be set other than the paradox forms then

[real prairie]

you wont find them immediately in blueberry academy though, need to unlock them all through the challenges

[rare pumice]

i just lost to two of my pokemon being frozen in a row

[real prairie]

oooff

thats some shite luck

are there any moves that guarantee freeze? No right?

[rare pumice]

correct

i'm thinking of putting covert cloak on my volcarona to avoid dire claw and potentially alleviate this happening again

[real prairie]

its a good strat

[rare pumice]

https://pokepast.es/1d11de316794720c this is the team now

[real prairie]

someone recently in a regional had cloak hatterene

[real prairie]

id personally drop someone for a redirector but otherwise i like it

[rare pumice]

you mean like follow me?

[chrome knot]

who are you redirecting for…?

[foggy lodge]

i think aurora veil A9 is mid

[chrome knot]

spitting tbh

[rare pumice]

it does what i need it to at least

[chrome knot]

i be perma flipping that weather gl tho

[real prairie]

Can be handy to draw attacks away from mons when out sped or to get that needed quiver/bulk off

not completely necissary but id have one personally

[craggy dagger]

i see-
is that-
a compliment or an insult

[chrome knot]

double fake out

[chrome knot]

compliment

[molten oasis]

Just go offensive on a9

Veil isn’t worthwhile imo

[fringe oar]

that's kinda what a9 is best for tho

[rare pumice]

i like having it because it lets annihilape use rage fist more consistently and creates more opprtunities for volcarona to spread flame body while quiver dancing

[chrome knot]

except its not as of recent

[real prairie]

not recently, its done well being offensive in recent tourys

[fringe oar]

I don't like reg h so idk what's going on in it

[chrome knot]

why not..?

[real prairie]

im loving it, kind of sad my regionals will be reg G

[rare pumice]

i wonder if eviolite duraludon is seeing any usage right now

[chrome knot]

no

[real prairie]

not worth

[fringe oar]

I got into vgc in swsh, and I just don't like how the current metagame and building works. I was more into building around a specific mon or 2 rather than current meta

It just doesn't click for me

[strange fjord]

reg g is more like that, reg h is more balanced imo

[fringe oar]

yeah I like reg g alot

[real prairie]

Reg H is more open, lots of viability and more choices which allows creative options

really like it

[rare pumice]

what was overtaking reg g then?

[real prairie]

makes it feel like Pokemon if that makes sense lol

[strange fjord]

the horses

[fringe oar]

I was a kyogre player with basculegion

nuke the horses

[foggy lodge]

Basculegion is cool

[fringe oar]

he's kinda cringe currently imo

[strange fjord]

i like the tortle

[foggy lodge]

Basculegion reg G is based

Now is broken

[rare pumice]

idk i personally appreciate a format that doesn't have kyogre or urshifu in it i guess

[fringe oar]

I wasn't a spout player and didn't use ursh lol

[strange fjord]

honestly, i dont have a problem with either format lmao

[foggy lodge]

Idk i prefer reg G, there was more variety in that regulation imo

[real prairie]

run specs politoed + basc now then

[rare pumice]

battle stadium is currently reg h right?

[strange fjord]

yeah

[real prairie]

yeh

[fringe oar]

I put everything into my basc team

[fringe oar]

cringe

I don't like being a meta slave

[foggy lodge]

Politoed is not meta tho

[fringe oar]

and in reg h it's tougher for me personally

[foggy lodge]

Pelipper is better :v

[real prairie]

pelipper isnt a nuke though lol

[foggy lodge]

what are you nuking with Politoed anyways

[rare pumice]

for some reason i always prefered politoed as a rain setter

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 186: Politoed

Type

Water

Abilities

Water Absorb, Damp, Drizzle (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

90/75/75/90/100/70

Total

500

Sableye version 4.28.1

Pokémon No. 279: Pelipper

Types

Water/Flying

Abilities

Keen Eye, Drizzle, Rain Dish (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

60/50/100/95/70/65

Total

440

Sableye version 4.28.1

[real prairie]

actually maybe Pelliper is the better nuke

[strange fjord]

Pelipper has more Sp. Attack

[real prairie]

i stand corrected

not sure why i thought Toed was higher

[fringe oar]

does peli get muddy water

[real prairie]

yeah

[fringe oar]

weather ball hurricane is better tho

[chrome knot]

PFFT

[fringe oar]

wat

[real prairie]

i run helping hand pelliper so that my Ludicolo is a nuke instead lol

[real prairie]

as seen here

[cyan smelt]

seriously thinking bout ghost tera gambit to avoid drain punch, body press, cc and low kick

[real prairie]

not an awful idea

[fringe oar]

https://pokepast.es/4d9cc887afe44b7f any suggestions for a last mon

also volc is just there for dengo and grass types, could be swapped for gambit or smth

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2226612209

Damn thats a sweep

[solid frigate]

not too sure for Triple Water

[fringe oar]

I wasn't sure for prima either

just sorta came to mind

could do maus ape

[rare pumice]

i'm not very good at suggestions but maybe a farigiraf to avoid sucker punchs/fake outs or to reverse trick room maybe?

[fringe oar]

for beat up on arch

[rare pumice]

farigiraf gets helping hand too if you value that

[solid frigate]

nah

[fringe oar]

I mean bm could work as a gholdengo threat

and maybe gambit just to threaten trick room teams

[solid frigate]

Peli Archa Amoonguss,Gambit,Sneasler,Incin

[fringe oar]

I wanna keep basc

[solid frigate]

then remove Sneasler for Basc

[fringe oar]

he's my fav mon

what's an amoongus ev spread

do I just go for the bump on spdf

[solid frigate]

252 HP and some Defense and some SPD

[real prairie]

im really liking Torterra

[rare pumice]

apparently a popular amoonguss spread right now is 244 hp, 156 def, rest in sp.def wiht bold

[real prairie]

slow enough to operate in TR but can use shell smash to x2 its speed

[fringe oar]

av on gambit?

[real prairie]

black glasses

[fringe oar]

I did 252 156 bold 100 spdf

[real prairie]

protect swords dance sucker punch kowtow cleave

[rare pumice]

i love the battle theme from x and y so so much

[fringe oar]

no iron head?

how come

[rare pumice]

i've heard not many people are running iron head right now because there aren't any prominent fairy threats in the current format and a lot of threats that resist steel or take neutral damage from dark anyways

[real prairie]

correct

you are taking gambit into teams you know itll be useful in anyway

[fringe oar]

https://pokepast.es/543d57314b09b5b0

so that basically

[real prairie]

SpDef investment in Arch

max out the usefulness of AV

then use tera/stamina to negate physical attacks

[fringe oar]

oh shit I forgot to ev him properly

yeah I meant to change it

I was just seeing where the spatk bump was

[real prairie]

also why the weird 444 spread on Pelipper?

just go 252 SpAtk and Sp

then pick a nature you prefer be it SpAtk or Sp

[fringe oar]

I just copied the naic spread

[rare pumice]

i like modest pelipper more for the power since it won't be outspeeding key threats anyways but that's just my preference

[real prairie]

tera dark for Gambit is the norm, but use what you find best

[real prairie]

same

id have more defence investment in Incin aswell, less fairy trouble in this Reg for that spread

lots of fighting types

try spread it to survive a 252+ close combat from Sneasler if possible

[rare pumice]

i run 92 def, 160+ sp.def, rest in hp on my incineroar and it's been performering pretty well for my liking

omy i just realized i've been missing a point in defense make that 96

which is more standard on incineroar impish or careful? i've been using careful but now that i think about it impish might be more helpful actually

[real prairie]

140def 0hp incin survives a 252+atk close combat btw

[dapper crag]

Goat team

[real prairie]

thats with a imtimidate on Sneasler though

nevermind, with 252hp it survives even with 0def investment after a intimidate

[cyan smelt]

Gambit does so much even to resists

[real prairie]

Yup

Especially after a SD

[cyan smelt]

I love gambit

[rare pumice]

i'm starting to realize my team is lacking in archaludon checks..

well eithre that or i need more practice with it

[foggy lodge]

1200 in bo3 rn

The real journey should start here

The elo steal i made lol

[gentle crag]

@ruby mulch hi Jakob

[real prairie]

Getting past 1200-1300 you start facing real teams lol

[real prairie]

That's why I have Torterra lol

I'm debating dropping amoongus though as he is the Mon I click into the least. Maybe bring a manual rain setter with haze

[foggy lodge]

Real

The goal is past 1300 atleast

I doubt i will come back to 1400😔

Atleast not in this reg

[rare pumice]

how do i tell where i am on the ladder

[foggy lodge]

Enough Pokemon for today

And that double heat wave burn lost me the game lol

[solid frigate]

try double Freeze

[craggy dagger]

i got double burned after my sash was consumed on the same turn

[rare pumice]

i love meganium but it's stats just aren't enough to give it any room to work without an ability or steller movepool to make it shine

[torn parrot]

It can’t do anything

Actually that’s not true

I wish it had work up

[rare pumice]

it gets knock off, earthquake, grassy glide, solar blade, but it's just nothing that isn't immediately outclassed by anybody else

[torn parrot]

Wait no I meant I wish it had growth

No yeah this is pretty bad

I mean

Okay here’s what you can do

Click swords dance and spam solar blade

No that’s still ass

Why would you do that

[rare pumice]

it gets dragon tail i guess

[torn parrot]

I’m guessing like

It’s abikity is gholdengo rules

[rare pumice]

i just thought of a super bad strategy that i really want to use now

[torn parrot]

It has to be a support I think

[rare pumice]

sap sipper trick room farigiraf paired with petal blizzard lurantis sounds awfully amazing to me

[torn parrot]

I mean that’s not like awful

cus you can have torkoal in the back then you have an ability

[rare pumice]

and it has to be farigiraf too it cannot be wyrdeer the opponent will imediately know if it's sap sipper if wyrdeer doesn't intimidate turn one

[torn parrot]

Its just that’s it’s not special really

Like you can do that better with rillaboom

It’s a horrible attacker

it’s only bright side is that it’s bulky

[rare pumice]

you mean rillaboom over lurantis?

[torn parrot]

Oh I thought we were talking about Meganium nvm

wouldn’t you do contrary strats with lurantis

[rare pumice]

o ok

i'm just trying to think of weird things that would be funny to do with lurantis or farigiraf i guess

if there was one single ability that would instantly make farigiraf uber what do you think it would be?

[torn parrot]

It’s already Uber

But I have seen people run sap sipper cus of rillaboom

And amoongus

[rare pumice]

yeah but i'm just saying theoretically do you think there's any ability that would make it insane

[torn parrot]

Armor tail is why it’s such a good trick room setter it blocks fake out

But you can put a smeargle next to it and use decorate in trick room

Then it can probably turbo

[rare pumice]

idk smeargle doesn't sound too appealing to me but i guess stored power would make that pretty interesting

[torn parrot]

You put them in a pin where if they kill smeargle you bring out a trick room sweeper if they let it live then they get decorate farigirafed

you don’t need stored power

Only thing that does is make you rely on smeargle

You can also give farigiraf nasty plot or throat spray

That’s about as good as your gonna get with making farigiraf go turbo

[rare pumice]

what was the special attacking version of swagger again

[torn parrot]

Flatter

[rare pumice]

does armor tail prevent allies from using prankster moves on your team mates

[torn parrot]

No

[rare pumice]

persim berry trick room farigiraf + prankster flatter screens grimmsnarl?

doesn't even need to be screens either honestly

[torn parrot]

Flatter isn’t good at that

It’s only one stage

[rare pumice]

aw

[torn parrot]

Give it a throat spray

Or even a Life orb

It’ll do good damage

[rare pumice]

alright new idea

trick room wyrdeer with persim berry + swagger prankster grimmsnarl

[torn parrot]

Swagger a tinkaton

[rare pumice]

o my

[torn parrot]

Charm a lurantis

You have to pick the right pokemon for this

Otherwise it’s just random nonsense

[rare pumice]

yeah wyrdeer has awful moveset honestly

i wish malamar was better it would do perfect with this nonsense

it can even topsy turvy dondozo that's something scary imo

immediately makes dondozo a nothing threat

[torn parrot]

Malamar can be strong

Give it superpower

And trick room

[rare pumice]

i'm thinking of something super weird now

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/a63f2a0d7897c895 wdyt of this?

[torn parrot]

i think it looks pretty cool (:
the sinischa is a little out of place tho

[molten oasis]

Sini’s the dozo mu

Gonna cripple it with strength sap

this used to be a cm Prima set

[bold geode]

Sinistcha is pog

[chrome knot]

okie i made gc team in game im ready to COOK

[torn parrot]

haze coudl be really easy to fit
even like milotic could work
then since the two roles are conbined you have room for whatever you want as the last

[rare pumice]

could dragon be a good tera type for coviknight since it'll resist both fire AND electric?

[torn parrot]

yeah
some people like fire for burns

[molten oasis]

So why do we need haze

[rare pumice]

does burn affect body press damage?

[molten oasis]

There’s other ways to handle dozo besides haze

[rare pumice]

my trick room team has a very rude counter for dondozo

[torn parrot]

well im just adding on to that I didnt know if sinicha felt like it fit on this specific team

[bold geode]

Sinistcha is a beast

[torn parrot]

a lot of pokemon are beasts

[chrome knot]

mayaaaamayaaaaaa

[torn parrot]

heya

[chrome knot]

it all done ^-^

[torn parrot]

yeah not sure where this came from, your the one who has a designated dozo counter