And almost always on fat pokemon
#competitive_discussion
shadow wind
patent marsh
It has volt switch though?
Ah
Over thinking it too much tbh volt switch does a lot more damage with the switch better imo
As long you have a flying stab ground types won't be much of an issue unless they have rock moves, which is mostly normal ursaluna with rock slide
torn parrot
This romantic sibling relationship that Barry has with iris is so weird
molten oasis
This romantic sibling relationship that Barry has with iris is so weird
Tf are you talking about
torn parrot
The cw flash
molten oasis
What is that?
torn parrot
Well it’s the flash tv show that was on the cw network
It was part of its own universe like the mcu
They had Superman and green arrow and supergirl and batwoman
torn parrot
That’s the season I just started 
balmy glen
ur good to stop watching after then
strange fjord
i actually stopped watching after savitar as well.
Flash Themed team with all the fastest Pokemon seems interesting
until TR gets set up
balmy glen
Just be so fast that you outspeed in tr
dull ibex
dude I just played one of the most passive games ive ever played
sinischa grimm vs kleavor and orboliva
I got the burn on kleavor and it was over from there
he played another like 5-10 minutes of passive plays then quit
solid frigate
Flash Themed team with all the fastest Pokemon seems interesting
we literally said Speed Boost Blaziken and i said
Ah yes Flash is a KFC
cyan smelt
Speed boost yanmega is better
real prairie
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2225588287
Stamina mudsdale does bbrrr
chrome knot
game of all time
real prairie
?
cyan smelt
i hate this meta, can't get my team to work
balmy glen
focus on the gc then 🙂
cyan smelt
nah i'm garbage
i feel like giving up for real this time, i'm not good at this
and i can't remember the stuff from vgcguide
mighty stump
Well you don't need to remember it by heart
If you're not having a good time might as well take a short break. I guess reflect on how you wanna approach VGC whether it be casually or to climb
solid frigate
this format is just a eh im not gonna be serious
real prairie
Right then, up to 1400 with Mudsdale of all mons as my 6th
dull ibex
I learned mausape arch people primarily lead mausape
Then use arch pelipper for stuff mausape has a hard time with
I like solo arch in some games for stuff like prim and fairies
real prairie
maybe thats where i was going wrong when i had mausape lol i never really led it
solid frigate
I learned mausape arch people primarily lead mausape
they lead cuz they want either Bulk Up+Beat Up
Or Beat up+ Rage Fist
dull ibex
they lead cuz they want either Bulk Up+Beat Up
Or Beat up+ Rage Fist
Yeah?
I'm aware Im playing Maus ape
tawdry urchin
Ik this chat is mainly for ou but does anyone know the best moveset for zygarde
mighty stump
Ik this chat is mainly for ou but does anyone know the best moveset for zygarde
No it isn't xd
But last I had a Zygarde in SwSh I ran Coil, Thousand Arrows, Dragon STAB, Protect or sth like that
tawdry urchin
But last I had a Zygarde in SwSh I ran Coil, Thousand Arrows, Dragon STAB, Prote...
Extreme speed???
mighty stump
What format is this for lol
You're better off going to the Smogon forums or Discord imo
You';re not gonna find OU help here easily especially not NatDex
Don't think aynone that played VGC has experience with 10% forme Zygarde
tawdry urchin
What format is this for lol
Nat dex ubers
real prairie
solid frigate
Extreme speed???
the funny thing is no one would run Espeed on Zygarde lmao
I just run a Double Ground Trapping Set
tawdry urchin
the funny thing is no one would run Espeed on Zygarde lmao
Why? It's speed is trash
solid frigate
Why? It's speed is trash
also does that Mean Torkal has to Run 252 Speed?
tawdry urchin
If they have some shit like ice then yes
solid frigate
If they have some shit like ice then yes
Tera Fucking Exists
cyan smelt
i am ass at this format
tawdry urchin
Tera Fucking Exists
Why do you think I'm asking for the best zygarde build?
solid frigate
why i have to give you my build when you don't get the concept of how to use a Legendary that suppose to be bulk
craggy dagger
I need to find a Zygarde Build-
hi!
do you need some assistance
solid frigate
hi!
do you need some assistance<:KEKW_Cry:1179139983341269104>
nah i got one already Nova
i posted in the server
real prairie
Someone was thinking too much but not enough....
Tera dragon Ghouldengo + dragon cheer Dragapult
Good as gold = no status moves
🤣
rustic mountain
craggy dagger
Someone was thinking too much but not enough....
Tera dragon Ghouldengo + drag...
wait that’s possible though
who gets mold breaker + dragon cheer if any
rustic mountain
skill swap mold breaker off tinkaton w/ smeargle then have dragon cheer as well 
craggy dagger
cause i’ve played hh dengo with tinkaton
real prairie
who gets mold breaker + dragon cheer if any
Haxorus or Rampardos
craggy dagger
i just-
don’t know how i feel about having 2 dragon types on field at the same time
real prairie
i mean, even without the tera its still a +1
craggy dagger
rampardos is a glass tank from like-
ww1
real prairie
could have a lens Ghould
craggy dagger
it’s slow af-
but it wrecks havoc
real prairie
it’s slow af-
but it wrecks havoc
i had a little bit of fun with it in a hard TR team
craggy dagger
it looks fun to play but i dont really like tr much-
i should give it another chance though-
real prairie
Life orb + Sheer force + Tera Stellar earthquake next to levitate bronzong
can even helping hand + Gravity on bronzong (although Gravity you would have to not use EQ for 1 turn 🤣 )
rustic mountain
i just-
don’t know how i feel about having 2 dragon types on field at the same t...
lack of fairy type and tera we eating
its really jus chomp and dnite that i think get to do that realistically tho
craggy dagger
cyan smelt
just got beaten by ground tera inteleon, fuck this meta
real prairie
Life orb + Sheer force + Tera Stellar earthquake next to levitate bronzong
i mean it works... but my god is it boring https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2225718896-gzk47z78gtl8ivqkta8euvk7io343m2pw
real prairie
just got beaten by ground tera inteleon, fuck this meta
BO1?
cyan smelt
yes
i think i need to rework my team, want to keep gliscor and kingambit but idk about the rest
real prairie
BO1 is so random its painful
craggy dagger
https://pokepast.es/38661e391159252c
uhhhh
opinions on any of these spreads and is there a way to fix them-
cyan smelt
prima has been good but geezing hasn't really been performing
craggy dagger
ignore the eiscue and crab. those are just for fun
real prairie
10 mons? lol
craggy dagger
yah-
just a box complied of pokemon i wanna try
cyan smelt
i think heracross is neat
craggy dagger
i forgot that hera gets facade-
gimme a sec-
though i feel like facade without stab-
nvm
real prairie
i think heracross is neat
i love Heracross as a mon, one of my favourites, just not the best
craggy dagger
hmmmmm
what about this duo-
real prairie
i love Heracross as a mon, one of my favourites, just not the best
like Flygon
real prairie
hmmmmm
what about this duo-
https://pokepast.es/2f73109a77167558
used this before, its fun but probably want wide lense on Frosslass, the difference between hitting and missing that self inflict frost breath can make the entire match
craggy dagger
true
chrome knot
bwomp
hai nova gm
i streamed team to scotty and could not stop giggling bc teams lack answers to it
spiral ridge
glad you’re having fun
As she did this I was in hell playing p2 ursa 😭
I was so bad
chrome knot
im SORRYAAAA i was having too much fun
spiral ridge
What are you sorry for 
chrome knot
glad you’re having fun
being an asshole is fun
spiral ridge
She kept just being like
“Oh they have nothing for this”
And yeah they usually didn’t
chrome knot
giggling and slowly moving my mouse cursor towards h-typhlosion lmfao
bold geode
<:yaehmm:1051687026090578030>
Hai bestie
bold geode
lack of fairy type and tera we eating
Tera Fairy Sini eats 
bold geode
being an asshole is fun
See, now you get the appeal
Welcome to "why off meta can be funny sometimes"
bold geode
Yeah
When I was doing Infernape, I'd love when there wasn't too many Fairy/Steel on a team cuz I'd be like "imma Tera Dragon Darts and Coaching and there is nothing you can do about it"
chrome knot
in my case its jus
rustic mountain
Tera Fairy Sini eats <:KekHands:1251294686468112434>
bold geode
Yeah imma do this and you can't do shit to stop it
rustic mountain
nah i dont why
bold geode
<:treeckoidkboutthat:1071957249578258492>
Hey if you haven't found the sauce of Incin Sini that's not me lol
rustic mountain
ahh shit
bold geode
i need diamond storm on my smeargle lmfao
Wtf that do
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
chrome knot
100bp phys rock move that has 50% chance to +2 def
rustic mountain
Hey if you haven't found the sauce of Incin Sini that's not me lol
incin shroom forever
bold geode
incin shroom forever
It's nice to be able to switch in and heal your Lorb Prim
chrome knot
incin shroom forever
p2 incin forever
bold geode
Literally Lorb Prim with Incin Sini can be fucking potent
craggy dagger
Hai bestie
hellouuu
bold geode
Especially if you click Trick Room
You can literally cycle heal cycle lower their attack cycle heal cycle lower their attack
rustic mountain
It's nice to be able to switch in and heal your Lorb Prim
or i can jus pollen puff and switch out and heal myself
craggy dagger
100bp phys rock move that has 50% chance to +2 def
can it not sketch ivy cudgel rock?
bold geode
or i can jus pollen puff and switch out and heal myself
But the tea sis
craggy dagger
would ivy cudgel be grass all the time-
rustic mountain
nah sinistchas cool i jus havent used it this format
bold geode
Plus can I mention that Sinistcha is just too good of a fucking support
It has the Maushold problem
It has 5 moves it wants to run
Though it does suck you can miss Matcha Gotcha
Tree did I tell you about my bad RNG run yesterday?
craggy dagger
ivy cudgel will always be grass hm…
rustic mountain
Tree did I tell you about my bad RNG run yesterday?
no
bold geode
My bad RNG run after hitting like 1370 with probably 75% GXE (wouldn't know cuz my dumbass didn't screenshot it just know I hit 1370)
- Matcha Gotcha missed 80% of the targets I needed to hit
- It wouldn't burn anything after burning at a decent rate
- Every single thing that could burn from opponents landed a burn when connected (literally every Heat Wave connect would burn something)
- And we can't forget about the RNG bullshit king Sneasler, who got a status on every single Dire Claw (none were sleep but they inhibited me badly still)
craggy dagger
rustic mountain
sounds like a fun time
bold geode
Bruh it was horrid, I was sitting next to my mom in the doctor's office and I deadass almost slung my phone twice lmao
rustic mountain
craggy dagger
ya ik
just checked it 
bad decisions were made
Cramorant @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Gulp Missile
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Surf
- Weather Ball
- Ice Beam
- Hurricane
bold geode
But I mean still running same stuff cuz I mean if not for RNG I definitely could've pulled the wins
cyan smelt
at least you didn't lose to sheer cold hitting twice
bold geode
There's been few MUs where I'm like "I played dogshit"
It's been either better player, RNG, or my dumbass not reading a teamsheet 
bold geode
at least you didn't lose to sheer cold hitting twice
There was one match where a Lapras (not Wolfe's team) was slinging Sheer Colds into my Incin and missing all of em but I was like "I stg if one of these hit"
cyan smelt
i hate perish trap
i think i've been struggling against that a9 garchomp team
i think that gliscor/gambit/prim and buzz are solid but idk what else to use, i'm not liking galarian weezing so much
bold geode
I was tryna brew up a Rain Perish Trap team last night lol
cyan smelt
I'm also considering running perish song on prima
bold geode
I'm also considering running perish song on prima
Was my thought
Just forgoing rain tbh and going Incin Sini Arch Prim Goth +1
cyan smelt
Maybe I should run gothitelle as my 6th, gambit, gliscor, buzz, prima, rilla and goth
bold geode
Also considered as much as it's shown to be ass so far
Incin Sini with Calm Mind Prim
Though Lorb Prim is a hard pill to give up
craggy dagger
Is rain alright?
sure!
though which rain archetype are you thinking to play?
molten oasis
Maybe I should run gothitelle as my 6th, gambit, gliscor, buzz, prima, rilla and...
why are you running gliscor
rigid robin
sure!
though which rain archetype are you thinking to play?
wdym rain archetype?
craggy dagger
like archaludon rain
swift swim rain-
rainroom
cerulean rose
Anyone want to battle me, doubles OU
rigid robin
like archaludon rain
swift swim rain-
rainroom
swift swim rain
but can arch also be a part of that as well
craggy dagger
quick question for y’all who are keeping up with the meta, what does dnite usually run?
having trouble with abilities and item-
moveset i wanna use tailwind on it but im not too sure how to go about
balmy glen
if you want it to be a tw bot or haze bot then you usually go scale shot/ stomping tantrum or low kick/ tailwind or haze/ protect
balmy glen
quick question for y’all who are keeping up with the meta, what does dnite usual...
loaded dice item
you can also go the 100% acc gaming route
with like tera blast flying stuff
craggy dagger
i see! 
spiral ridge
yeah do that and its peak :)
solid frigate
if you want it to be a tw bot or haze bot then you usually go scale shot/ stompi...
Keanu tips coming in clutch
torn parrot
i mean it works... but my god is it boring https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ge...
Rampardos is one of those pokemon I underestimate and then he erases my entire timeline from existence with rock slide
balmy glen
i see! <a:TohruThumbsUp:744282313197879317>
if you dont like the loaded dice set try Tera blast flying/low kick/tw/extreme speed covert cloak with multiscale its pretty fire at times
balmy glen
<@350152416815218688> help me pick a p2 team to play
i mean theres not much to choose from
its just like preference
do you like the regular incin p2 ursa amoon + 2 fill cores
torn parrot
People should cook with defog talonflame next to earthquakes
chrome knot
do you like the regular incin p2 ursa amoon + 2 fill cores
im just unsure
i like the p2 vivi but its kinda eh, my ver of p2 with pult also had glaring issues to it
so im jus UNSURE of what to do
balmy glen
Viv will prob rotate in the future
Rn it’s pretty bad tbh with you
Well not bad but mid
craggy dagger
if you dont like the loaded dice set try Tera blast flying/low kick/tw/extreme s...
i ended up running tw protect tantrum and flying blast-
balmy glen
i ended up running tw protect tantrum and flying blast-
Depending on the team I’d go low kick over tantrum
solid frigate
Depending on the team I’d go low kick over tantrum
Low Kick is the sauce fr
spiral ridge
gallade :3
balmy glen
i could go low kick but i have gallade so i might just keep tantrum
Gallade?
Do u have a ground type
rare pumice
https://pokepast.es/9f6eb1f1650c37ed this is my team right now but i'm not really sold on toxtricity it's more of a just in case pokemon that i'm not using very much
knotty mirage
I have question does revelation dance work like tera blast ?
craggy dagger
yep
knotty mirage
Ah damn it good to know i guess it do caught me off guard just get my AV archuladon ohkoed by tera ground revelation dance
rare pumice
what are thoughts on hisuian electrode
umbral olive
what are thoughts on hisuian electrode
Not very useful
rare pumice
i'm just trying to find the perfect electric type for my team
umbral olive
i'm just trying to find the perfect electric type for my team
Single or double team?
umbral olive
i'm just trying to find the perfect electric type for my team
Actually I'd recommend Regielecki.
Or wash rotom
rare pumice
doubles reg h
umbral olive
doubles reg h
Wash rotom I'd recommend
rare pumice
i'll try out electivire and if it doesn't work out i'll try rotom
umbral olive
Electivire is also a good option. And one of my favorites
rare pumice
it's a tailwind team and i feel like wide lens + supercell slam and cross chop could be intresting
umbral olive
Ice punch would be useful on electivire
umbral olive
If it can learn drain punch use that instead of cross chop for better accuracy
Oh your using wide lens, sorry I didn't see that. Yea do cross chop
umbral olive
Oh yea I forgot about electabuzz. Eviolite follow me electabuzz
chrome knot
Rn it’s pretty bad tbh with you
its mid at best bc amoonguss is just better powder user
limber marsh
Anyone ever tried using ambipom? I've been testing it and I kinds like it
rare pumice
i've seen some amibpom in lower ladder
limber marsh
Yeah I wouldn't expect it to make it super high lol, it's mostly just worse incin
Ambipom @ Muscle Band
Ability: Technician
Level: 50
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Fake Out
- Aerial Ace
- Triple Axel
- U-turn
chrome knot
lost me @ muscle band bruh
limber marsh
Just something I was trying
Also tried kings Roc
Not sure what would be the best fit for him though tbh
umbral olive
what would be a good tera type for rotom wash
Grass tera
limber marsh
As is he always wins a fake out fight cause of how fast he is, and with technician and the band his fake outs usually take 20-45% off a mon. And triple axe with 3 hits kills a lot, even on neutral
umbral olive
Grass tera
Grass or Ghost tera
limber marsh
I also tried a set with skill link and kings rock, but his multi hit moves all have low accuracy, and without technician they don't do a lot of damage, so it didn't do a lot
dapper crag
Ambipom @ Muscle Band
Ability: Technician
Level: 50
Tera Type: Flying
EV...
If it’s singles you can also try:
Ambipom @ Silk Scarf
Ability: Technician
Level: 50
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant/Jolly Nature
- Fake Out
- Last Resort
@limber marsh hits like a truck
rare pumice
wouldn loaded dice also be an option
dapper crag
wouldn loaded dice also be an option
It can be if your running multi hit moves and tech
dapper crag
wouldn loaded dice also be an option
You can also try normal gem fake out + tech boosted Thief
bold geode
idk what to play for not gc
IDBP Kommo-O 
balmy glen
im actually building with tofu for the gc lol
bold geode
Get me in there
Shiiii I need something for GC
My only idea has been a Perish Trap team with Primarina lmao
chrome knot
im actually building with tofu for the gc lol
you should see the abomination i created for this gc
rare pumice
official pokemon tournaments are best out of 3 with open team sheets right?
foggy lodge
Yes
chrome knot
in person events yes
tournaments like the grand/global challenges are best of 1 closed team sheets
rare pumice
i can't recall if i'm misremembering but wasn't the final season of sword and shield like the first season ever where mythical pokemon were allowed?
chrome knot
bc there weren’t any official tournaments left
rare pumice
i wonder what if would have been like to fight during that season, i stopped playing sword and shield long before they were allowed and i guess i wasn't interested enough/had enough mythical pokemon to try
real prairie
just had an accidental BO3
played someone in BO1, won
they challeneged me to a rematch, They won
Queued back in, 2 games later play them again 🤣
next stump
i wonder what if would have been like to fight during that season, i stopped pla...
it was very very boring to be honest
balmy glen
mega diancie
next stump
because alongside mythicals they also let you have unlimited restricted pokemon
balmy glen
LOL
solid frigate
because alongside mythicals they also let you have unlimited restricted pokemon
I would not want that
sure Legendaries are fun
but Unlimited Restricted Legendaries makes that there is no team Comp
Almost
solid frigate
mega diancie
Diamond Storm Body Press moment
glass hare
i dont have anyone to play or practice teams with so dm me if u want to !
tiny peak
Latest update on my team just need help with garchomps last move
Also sneaslers night slash is throat chop forgot to update that
solid frigate
Also sneaslers night slash is throat chop forgot to update that
stomping Tantrum
its literally there
tiny peak
I changed it but must've forgot
It's earthquake/protect/dragon claw
So I'm trying to pick the 4th move
solid frigate
yeah Just put Stomping Tantrum as the final move
EQ/Stomping/D-Claw/Prot
tiny peak
@solid frigate ah yeah that makes sense , ,does chomp not need a coverage move or anything?
solid frigate
no need
you have other pokemon for it cuz its Doubles
if its singles then mostly Rock or Steel type Moves
Doubles is just 2 STABs since Dragon is good at hitting Things for Neutral and Ground is just Ground
tiny peak
It's doubles so yeah that makes sense , cool deal thanks
worldly flint
Anyone mind helping me setting up my competitive team
solid frigate
Anyone mind helping me setting up my competitive team
did you have a base team in pokepaste or stuff?
solid frigate
I just want a good team that would go well with my shiny diplin
Diplin huh
actually thats a ok Pokemon to use here
next stump
Anyone mind helping me setting up my competitive team
doubles or singles?
worldly flint
Singles
Or doubles
The moveset for my diplin is that s
Where can I send images
next stump
most people here play doubles so it might be hard to find someone able to give advice for singles 😦
balmy glen
what tier @worldly flint
worldly flint
I wanna get in the high ranks
rare pumice
rotom wash kind of the perfect pelipper counter huh
chrome knot
keanu p2 peli arch is the call
random pecan
keanu p2 peli arch is the call
your Meloetta set is good
how would you rate my team with it?
chrome knot
BAD WTF
chrome knot
rare pumice
it's kind of a dangerous season for comfey i would think
random pecan
Gholdengo sure is scary
atomic mural
your Meloetta set is good<a:shy:1175857363077574808> how would you rate my team ...
no araquanid 😔
solid frigate
your Meloetta set is good<a:shy:1175857363077574808> how would you rate my team ...
What
The ASS is this.
solid frigate
no araquanid 😔
i just murdered one don't worry
random pecan
What
The ASS is this.
I heard it already
atomic mural
i just murdered one don't worry
rare pumice
is the liligant after you
solid frigate
it's kind of a dangerous season for comfey i would think
Also Comfey:In terapagos Teams in Reg G
random pecan
is the liligant after you
yes
after you, sleep powder, leaf blade, cc and tera ghost
rare pumice
i would have thought unovan liligant would be more optimal for that set but i just looked at that stats and am surprised they have the same defenses
random pecan
cc is for Archaludons
solid frigate
i rather drop Sleep Powder for Protect Cuz Liligant is Frail and you want to keep her alive for After You
solid frigate
i would have thought unovan liligant would be more optimal for that set but i ju...
pls no you aren't the only one who thinks about it
And it ends Horribly
rare pumice
is hisuian liligant capable of ohko against archaludon
random pecan
Idk
solid frigate
is hisuian liligant capable of ohko against archaludon
anything Above 120 probably
cuz Sneasler can
rare pumice
hisuian lilligant is base 105 sadly
solid frigate
i think it can still Chip it
random pecan
I would maybe swap Milotic with something like Palafin
solid frigate
you literally have a Walking Nuke that is Torkal
rare pumice
adamant life orb can ohko though but i don't think that's the set you're using
solid frigate
I would maybe swap Milotic with something like Palafin<:hmjj:1143237157717282878...
Both are Mid
run Primarina kek
random pecan
fine by me
rare pumice
eruption torkoal is instant tera fire 100 percent of the time right?
solid frigate
100 Accuracy but Damage based on HP
random pecan
just what item for Primarina if Meloetta has throat spray?
solid frigate
Life Orb,Mystic Water,Leftovers,Sitrus Berry
You name it
random pecan
eruption torkoal is instant tera fire 100 percent of the time right?
I didn’t Tera and it ended up clearing the floor a bit
solid frigate
Personally Love Mystic Water
random pecan
true, that thing still exists
rare pumice
specs primarina could be interesting with after you support maybe
solid frigate
no please
random pecan
makes no sense if sun is up
solid frigate
Primarina + Sun
Does not work
rare pumice
idk torkoal doesn't always have to be in does it
solid frigate
and no sun
get Sneasler'd Idiot
random pecan
Idk what comfey could replace
random pecan
idk torkoal doesn't always have to be in does it
problem is… you don’t get chloro boost on lilligant
meaning you are mostly getting outsped
rare pumice
wouldn't having primarina at all on a torkoal team just be a problem in general then
random pecan
what if I run the other ability
solid frigate
if you just make sure your Speed Stat is 151 you can outspeed Rilla's Fake Out
solid frigate
what if I run the other ability<:arkeknine:669500432741040129>
then you should not even play Comfey
random pecan
still thinking maybe spiritomb is useable
solid frigate
why?
random pecan
I like it
solid frigate
random pecan
random pecan
true, sableye exists
solid frigate
you play the Pokemon in Comp for its Maximum Potential for the Long Run or Consistency
Not for Favourites,especially for Beginners
random pecan
H Arcanine
rare pumice
are there any interesting eject button users right now or is that generally not high value
random pecan
I like to succeed with my favourites
solid frigate
are there any interesting eject button users right now or is that generally not ...
hitmontop,Torkal
rare pumice
i love hitmontop
dense latch
torkoal is eject pack
rare pumice
hitmontop was one of my most prominent pokemon in sword and shield
random pecan
it won a worlds
solid frigate
but the problem is
Hitmontop Eject Button/Pack is kinda eh in this format
Which i kinda tested on a Rain Team
rare pumice
i've never thought of a particularly good movesest/partner for hitmontop to support but yeah i always liked him
though i just fought one earlier today and it was using feint so that was interesting
solid frigate
Fake Out
Bullet Punch
Mach Punch Or Close Combat/Wide Guard/Coaching(If you have a Physical Sweeper)/Feint(If you hate Protect)
Protect
rare pumice
would wide guard hitmontop be interesting since there are so many spread damage users right now like gholdengo and primarina, and even ursaluna
random pecan
Fake Out
Bullet Punch
Mach Punch Or Close Combat/Wide Guard/Coaching(If you have...
I’m gonna try Primarina, if it fails, I blame you
solid frigate
I’m gonna try Primarina, if it fails, I blame you<:KEK:829679319341203476>
if you fail then its basically skill issue or Teambuilding issue
random pecan
probably
rare pumice
is specs primarina a popular flip turn user
random pecan
oh sheit
solid frigate
is specs primarina a popular flip turn user
have you think about what you have said before putting the sentence together from the Brain
random pecan
Calyrex shadow, Zacian
rare pumice
i just never really liked using flip turn in the past on special attackers so i avoided it and i've been gone for awhile so i don't know
solid frigate
omg what the fuck is going on here
solid frigate
Calyrex shadow, Zacian<:poliwhirlkek:932149535311015988>
just Nuke them Idiot
Yeah no thats why i don't like Casual Battles
They just bring stupid team comps
solid frigate
Iron Bundle could do that ig?
the more i see you guys talking these stuff the more braincells i lost.
rare pumice
i've seen people use u-turn on special attackers in the past so i just assumed it was possible
random pecan
there goes my sleep powder
solid frigate
i've seen people use u-turn on special attackers in the past so i just assumed i...
is it Miraidon? cuz you don't do that
rare pumice
not specifically miraidon i more so mean like dragapult or pokemon with limited movesets
solid frigate
Dragapult is a Physical attacker-
rare pumice
i remember some people using specs miraidon when sword and shield first started and i've even seen it in the lower ladder these past few days surprisingly
random pecan
I got hard read
solid frigate
i remember some people using specs miraidon when sword and shield first started ...
did you know when Miraidon was first announced-
rare pumice
i said miraidon when i meant dragapult for some reason
i tend to do stuff like that alot for some reason
random pecan
again
solid frigate
my brain is losing braincells the more i am here-
random pecan
did you know when Miraidon was first announced-
I remember using it in fire red
rare pumice
miraidon was my favorite pokemon back in gold
random pecan
all my knowledge is in hsr, not pokemon
atomic mural
obviously It means nothing since reg G isnt on cart anymore but I am undefeated on casual ladder with this team im running
foggy lodge
https://pokepast.es/2493c3b058ee90ca
Overheat failed in a crucial moment and it lost me a game so bye bye
rare pumice
i didn't know people used coaching on sneasler
balmy glen
Only JoeUx9 can run Overheat sorry
rare pumice
i like having overheat on my talonflame
random pecan
I’m not hitting any sleep powders today, wth
umbral olive
Wide lens
random pecan
focus sash
rare pumice
what evs are you using?
random pecan
who?
rare pumice
on lilligant
random pecan
max speed+ max atk
rare pumice
how often are you relying on lilligant's attack output vs its sleep powder and after you support?
foggy lodge
I don't know if i should change Magmar's tera
I almost never click it, maybe dragon could work
I don't like tera flying Magmar lol
random pecan
how often are you relying on lilligant's attack output vs its sleep powder and a...
its kinda 50/50
rare pumice
maybe yo ucould try using a more split ev spread between attack, speed and hp so you could try running wide lens maybe?
idk that's probably not recommended or optimal but it's an idea atleast
random pecan
Lilligant is just not really tanky
solid frigate
Only JoeUx9 can run Overheat sorry
Keanu help me my brain is rotting
atomic mural
araquanid can heal your brain
rare pumice
i'd say talonflame is about as tanky as hisuian liligant but i've run max hp on it and it's survived some strong attacks surprisingly like hyper voice from primarina etc
random pecan
Keanu help me my brain is rotting
its alright, it will get better soon
foggy lodge
maybe yo ucould try using a more split ev spread between attack, speed and hp so...
its a grass/fighting type
With paper defenses
Its not worth it xd
rare pumice
i really like a defensive talonflame with flamebody, it's come in handy a lot recently
foggy lodge
💀
random pecan
isn’t Magmar just better in that case?
rare pumice
well if you want full support yes but i also value it for its fast tailwind
random pecan
why not priority tailwind then?
foggy lodge
you lost me at flamebody talonflame tbh
rare pumice
does gale wings still activate if fake out gets you before yo uuse it?
foggy lodge
Just use cloak
random pecan
thats why you can run cloak or protect
rare pumice
no i mean since you're not at full hp anymore will you still have the priority for that turn
foggy lodge
No
molten oasis
What are the best teams with typhlosion rn?
random pecan
I just won a battle in 2 turns
foggy lodge
What are the best teams with typhlosion rn?
Joseph Ugarte's team i guess
molten oasis
Cool
rare pumice
i've seen some torkoal and whimsicott with typhlosion
molten oasis
Ty
rare pumice
did you say you're using leaf blade on lilligant earlier?
foggy lodge
what did your oponnent bring
molten oasis
:/
random pecan
did you say you're using leaf blade on lilligant earlier?
yes
molten oasis
Imma look elsewhere
rigid robin
Dragapult is a Physical attacker-
(In singles) I run a hex will-o-wisp dragapult to fuckup the gliscors
random pecan
what did your oponnent bring
Lucario and Meowscarada 💀
rare pumice
wouldn't you want to use solar blade instead of leafblade since you're in the sun?
foggy lodge
Lucario and Meowscarada 💀
lmao
rigid robin
solar blade is infinitely better for lilligant
if sun runs out lilligant is dead anyways solarblade or not
so run solarblade
random pecan
okay
next stump
what are you OHKOing with solar blade that you're not OHKOing with leaf blade
random pecan
probably Ursaluna and stuff
solid frigate
solar blade is infinitely better for lilligant
leaf Blade>> Solar Blade
Don't spread Misinformation
foggy lodge
ursaluna is still weak to CC but i guess it works to not lose against tera ghost Ursa 50/50
random pecan
I wanna stellar tera shadow ball onto calyrex
rigid robin
leaf Blade>> Solar Blade
Don't spread Misinformation
In a sun team, solarblade is better. but im thinking singles so idk
random pecan
yeah, Imma do that
rigid robin
not spreading misinformation when in sun, solarblade is better
ofc out of sun, leaf blade is better for obvious reasons
but if ur running lilligant, its almost a given ur using sun
foggy lodge
I don't know i've seen some Lilligant completely drop the grass coverage lol
random pecan
it did nothing 💀
solid frigate
and why would you Limit your Grass Stab from a Weather Condition
foggy lodge
Like only Close Combat Sleep Powder After You and Protect
random pecan
is torkoal or calyrex ice faster?
rigid robin
and why would you Limit your Grass Stab from a Weather Condition
mons are really bulky nowadays so more power is good. and again, lilligant's speed tier is mid at best without chloroyll at play. it NEEDS sun to actually be good.
foggy lodge
is torkoal or calyrex ice faster?
Caly Ice by a lot
rare pumice
calyrax ice is base 50 torkoal is base 20
foggy lodge
CalyIce is 50 base speed and Torkoal 20
random pecan
rare pumice
oops
rare pumice
what tera type do you use for lilligant? (if you ever use it at all)
random pecan
so… rather use protect over leaf blade?
random pecan
what tera type do you use for lilligant? (if you ever use it at all)
ghost
rigid robin
fire or ghost works
foggy lodge
so… rather use protect over leaf blade?
Depends
rigid robin
solar in sun, leafblade in nonsun, but lilligant is dogwater if no sun
foggy lodge
I like protect because it doesn't force you to use tera ghost or switch in Indeedee to avoid fake out
random pecan
lemme try with protect
foggy lodge
Also due to it being sash is common to be targeted by both pokemon so you can be more annoying with protect
rigid robin
is your team a sun team, Kenni?
rare pumice
would tera fighting also be an option since it's only got close combat to attack with and would be running protect?
foggy lodge
it doesn't need damage lol
rigid robin
close combat hits really hard already esp with stab
foggy lodge
It needs some survability with ghost
rare pumice
that makes sense
random pecan
is your team a sun team, Kenni?
not fully focused yet
I could use something like H Arcanine
if its any good of course
rare pumice
how often is your lilligant caught out without sun?
random pecan
never
rigid robin
like it should
foggy lodge
idk why would you bring Lilligant against idk Archa rain
rigid robin
i'd never let my lilligant out if no sun
rare pumice
i just looked at some numbers and apparently with only 92 speed evs and jolly lilligant can still outspeed a jolly scarfed sneasler, so maybe you can invest some elsewhere if you wanted to but that's just my idea i get if you don't wanna
foggy lodge
Who plays scarf sneasler
rare pumice
i've come up against it a few times
rigid robin
If ur using a sun team you can pretty much get away with running an adamant lilligant as long as you max ev its speed
random pecan
true
random pecan
Who plays scarf sneasler
all I saw run sash
torn parrot
i've come up against it a few times
Are you sure?
dapper crag
true<:hmjj:1143237157717282878>
Hiya, what item recommendation would you recommend for Meloetta in doubles?
random pecan
Hiya, what item recommendation would you recommend for Meloetta in doubles?
Throat Spray or maybe Life Orb
dapper crag
Throat Spray<:KEK:829679319341203476> or maybe Life Orb<:KEK:829679319341203476>
How the hell did I forget about throat spray
rare pumice
i've knocked off choice scarf from sneasler before and i was just saying for comparison anyways
random pecan
Is it stupid if I put Dondozo Tatsugiri in the same team as Torkoal H Lilligant?
rare pumice
not necessarily but that sounds like trying to do too much in one team to me personally
no reason you can't try it out and see what happens though
rare pumice
the best advice i've gotten so far is if there's a move or a pokemon you find yourself never using then try replacing it with something else that could provide alot more value too but i guess that's obvious to a lot of people, i can be stubborn sometimes
craggy dagger
hm?
rare pumice
it was true
random pecan
Maybe hybrid sun trick room team could work
rare pumice
that was really popular in early scarlet and violet
dapper crag
Throat Spray<:KEK:829679319341203476> or maybe Life Orb<:KEK:829679319341203476>
https://pokepast.es/434ae34d5b941dd3 Kommo-O is just there
random pecan
would make torkoal fast without lilligant
dapper crag
Oh and Whimsicott has fake tears instead of misty
rare pumice
specifically torkoal paired with indeedee or hatterene
molten oasis
You got any typhlosion teams?
rare pumice
which typhlosion?
molten oasis
You got any typhlosion teams?
?
molten oasis
which typhlosion?
The good one
random pecan
Gallade sounds nice tbh
rare pumice
idk if i can tell what the answer to that is anymore
random pecan
Wide Guard
rare pumice
sharpness gallade can also ohko some archaludon sets so that could be interesting
rigid robin
Wide Guard<:hmjj:1143237157717282878>
Wide guard is a given for most doubles teams anyways lol
random pecan
Wide guard is a given for most doubles teams anyways lol
yeah, but it has trick room too
rare pumice
i have a gallade on my tailwind team but i've heard it can work just as well in trick room
rigid robin
Especially since a demon we know as Gholdengo exists
molten oasis
Hisui
random pecan
I’m sitting here at 4am building a team
torn parrot
Feel like choice band gallade in singles could be nasty
limber marsh
is there a "Best" Tailwind setter so far in reg H? ive had a lot of success with murkrow but i dont think hes considered meta rn
rigid robin
Feel like choice band gallade in singles could be nasty
For sure. You want a prankster or a fast mon to be a setter
rare pumice
then yeah i guess whimsicott is the most apparent choice
random pecan
My Pelipper had Hurricane, Weather Ball, Protect and used to run Wide Guard for Calyrex
rigid robin
Im mainly a singles player. I feel so bas for yall for dealing with xalyrez
limber marsh
fair, i feel like murkrow would be better if there werent good dark types on most teams
craggy dagger
best tailwind...?
chrome knot
Peliper is a terrible tailwind setter
:c
rare pumice
i have no experience in singles and quite frankly am scared of ever trying it
rigid robin
Calyrex is a nightmare
chrome knot
I JUST made a team where pelipper is a tw setter cx
limber marsh
not to mention indeedee and the girrafe
craggy dagger
I JUST made a team where pelipper is a tw setter cx
im making a bramble team 
torn parrot
I JUST made a team where pelipper is a tw setter cx
Noooo
It’s not that tailwind isn’t good on it
It’s just not a good tailwind setter
I mean it’s a peliper
rare pumice
if you're coming up against a team with a trick room user you don't really need to bring a tailwind user into the battle anyways do you?
rigid robin
i have no experience in singles and quite frankly am scared of ever trying it
I like singles for the “security.” I can afford to switch out mons to protect it. In doubles you cant switch out a lot
random pecan
yeah, I think my team will be something like Torkoal, H Lilligant, Gallade, Comfey, H Arcanine and Indeedee?
does it sound okay or just stupid?
rare pumice
harcanine is good for in a lot of ways but idk if it synergizes too well with trick room
limber marsh
if you're coming up against a team with a trick room user you don't really need ...
depends, if its one of those two i just cant, but prankster speed taunt can mess up a lot of teams
rare pumice
having it in the sun would be pretty nive though
molten oasis
Maybe I won’t do typhlosion stuff, what’s the like, thing of the format rn?
random pecan
I could play fast with H Arcanine Torkoal H Lilligant and comfey no?
random pecan
Maybe I won’t do typhlosion stuff, what’s the like, thing of the format rn?
Sneasler, Archaludon maybe Ursalunas?
rare pumice
are we still talking about a trick room team
molten oasis
Ok, ty
random pecan
If I go trick room, I can use Gallade, Indeedee, Comfey, and Torkoal for example
actually… I probably should replace comfey
for something with expanding force
rare pumice
are you saying harcanine or hlilligant could be a just in case scenario then where you still want to outspeed something out of trick room?
random pecan
yeah, pretty much
rare pumice
i like choice band jolly harcanine for that then
mine specifically has intimidate, extreme speed, flare blitz, wild charge, and rock slide with tera normal
rigid robin
Wait h lilligant needs choice band too
random pecan
Wait h lilligant needs choice band too
sash
rigid robin
Oh ur sashing lilligant. Nvm
rare pumice
have you decided on a trick room user yet
random pecan
setter or user?
rigid robin
Is Hatterene good for setting trick room
random pecan
Is Hatterene good for setting trick room
I believe so
rigid robin
Magic bounce too
rare pumice
hatterene + eruption torkoal was around a lot when i first started playing scarlet and violet
random pecan
maybe I should replace Comfey with Hatterene actually
rare pumice
setter or user?
i meant setter btw
random pecan
Hatterene, Gallade, Indeedee would all have Trick Room
random pecan
its valueable with psychic terrain
limber marsh
i run it to punish enemy indeedees
random pecan
or else its pretty much just psychic
rare pumice
so you're thinking about running a team with sunlight, trick room, and psychic terrain?
random pecan
they don’t stop each other, do they?
rare pumice
i guess not
though when i say all three of those things at once there's one pokemon in particular that comes to mind...
would armagrouge be possible?
cyan smelt
@molten oasis walls sneasler
molten oasis
?
cyan smelt
immune to dire claw bullshit, resists both stabs and can hit for SE damage
rare pumice
it gets expanding force, a sun boosted base 120 armor canon, trick room, solar beam, and even calm mind or protect if you wanted
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
rare pumice
but armarouge gets STAB sun boosted fire move c;
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
random pecan
Hatterene has much less speed
rare pumice
it also can magic bounce taunt so i think you might want to consider that as well
plus it gets helping hand if you're interested in that
but idk if helping hand works in psychic terrain since it's priority idk how that works
molten oasis
immune to dire claw bullshit, resists both stabs and can hit for SE damage
What are you talking about?
cyan smelt
gliscor
random pecan
but idk if helping hand works in psychic terrain since it's priority idk how tha...
protect is technically priority too… so its unlikely to be affected
molten oasis
Oh
cyan smelt
priority moves on your side still work in psychic terrain
random pecan
rare pumice
i just looked it up, helping hand isn't even considered a targetting move either way so it'll work
random pecan
priority moves on your side still work in psychic terrain
there is no “your side” in terrain, only “our side”
rare pumice
there's just one slight problem when using hatterene imo
both of the two top performing pokemon in reg h right now are both steel types
solid frigate
Hatterene is goated
solid frigate
both of the two top performing pokemon in reg h right now are both steel types
my dude,its doubles
thats why it has Torkal for Psyspam Teams
rare pumice
that's a good point, i just figured it was worth thinking over
cyan smelt
plus you can always tera fire hatt
rare pumice
ok then it shouldn't be a problem then
random pecan
Hatterene is goated
How does the team sound now?
Torkoal
H Lilligant
H Arcanine
Indeedee F
Hatterene
Gallade
solid frigate
thats infinitely better from that thing we saw
cyan smelt
idt harcanine works in tr though does it
rare pumice
which one of your psychic types will be using trick room then
random pecan
thats infinitely better from that thing we saw
slowly unrotting your brain
random pecan
which one of your psychic types will be using trick room then
all
molten oasis
rare pumice
the team i'm using right now is a tailwind team and it's my first time ever using tailwind so i suspect it's very unoptimized but i'm liking it so far
random pecan
idt harcanine works in tr though does it
what would you use instead?
cyan smelt
ursaluna
rare pumice
if you have a lot of trick room users idk if having h lilligant is the best choice either at that point since you're gonna have multiple opportunities to set it up
random pecan
the team i'm using right now is a tailwind team and it's my first time ever usin...
liking is good
cyan smelt
fair
random pecan
cyan smelt
sneasler?
random pecan
but is H Arcanine a good option for it?
rare pumice
omygod you gotta use sneasler
cyan smelt
psychic seed
rare pumice
psychic seed unburden sneasler for when you're out of trick room could be valuable if you wanted it to be
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
rare pumice
that's a lot of synergy right there
random pecan
true
molten oasis
Y’all got a corv spread?
random pecan
rare pumice
i'm historically bad at using corviknight
molten oasis
Ok
rare pumice
the only thing i know about corviknight spreads is max defense with 244 hp and the rest in speed to outpace opposing pokemon of the same speed tier
then from there mirror armor to punish intimidate users
limber marsh
in a similar vein, what do we think about orthworm these days?
rare pumice
i have not seen orthworm perform spectacularly recently in all honesty
random pecan
in a similar vein, what do we think about orthworm these days?
I saw one today
||it died to one eruption||
limber marsh
i havnt seen one this whole reg lol
random pecan
Earth Eater sounds cool on paper but isn’t really good in my opinion
rare pumice
the most i could argue for orthworm is that it resists normal type moves and can be immune to ground type moves from ursaluna but it's not really doing much after that and corviknight does the same thing but arguably better
shed tail is really the best thing it does imo
limber marsh
im thinking of trying a team with peliper, palafin, and orthworm, try to shed tail into palafin hero turn one
random pecan
Pelipper is better for Archaludon
rare pumice
so you start with palafin, flip turn out into orthworm, and then shed tail into palafin again??
limber marsh
it has the ability to go tera electric, so no weaknesses, one imunnity, and 3 resistances which is cool
random pecan
limber marsh
so you start with palafin, flip turn out into orthworm, and then shed tail into ...
yarp
tried cyclezar but hes useless other than the shed tail lol
random pecan
I don’t think you can flip turn into oathworm
it might hit you under 50%
and cyclezar has regenerator no?
rare pumice
well so does orthworm but that would mean giving up the ground immunity
oh no wiat nvm i was confused
limber marsh
better yet, lead palafin orthworm, flip turn out palafin into pelliper, shed tail orthworm back into palafin. open turn two with the rain up and a hero form palafin behind a substitute
rare pumice
that sounds better imo
limber marsh
it Does mean your team has 3 dedicated slots though lol, and fake out makes you look stupid
rare pumice
such as ursaluna
limber marsh
that too lol
random pecan
it Does mean your team has 3 dedicated slots though lol, and fake out makes you ...
yeah, that basically is the problem
doesn’t sound too bad if you have archaludon in team and always have protect ready
random pecan
if they know what your plan is, they would instantly aim for oathworm probably
but… its really bad against Lilligant Torkoal
limber marsh
yeah, him going below 50, or flinching kinda kills the game
random pecan
After you Eruption can kill Oathworm t1 and Sleep Powder can stop Palafin
limber marsh
but… its really bad against Lilligant Torkoal<:KEK:829679319341203476>
ngl i havnt seen that team all gen
limber marsh
i saw it a lot back in the day, but lately everyone i find is going typhlosion instead
random pecan
Pelipper does has Wide Guard tho
rare pumice
is steel a good tera type for annihilape
limber marsh
Orthworm @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Earth Eater
Level: 50
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpD / 4 Spe
Careful Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Shed Tail
- Iron Defense
- Body Press
- Protect
limber marsh
is steel a good tera type for annihilape
i think so, living more hits means stronger rage fist, no shared weaknesses
random pecan
Why do I have poison in my head?
rare pumice
tera steel just saved my life on annihilape
random pecan
Fairy would also work ig
cyan smelt
fire so no burn
random pecan
You can also run choice scarf Final Gambit
random pecan
fire so no burn
oh yeah, that is probably the best
resists Fairy and neutral to all other weaknesses
limber marsh
whats the best 4th move on archuladon? like, protect, electroshot, draco meteor, then what?
cyan smelt
electro shot, draco, body press and flash cannon
random pecan
this looks not too bad tbh
limber marsh
electro shot, draco, body press and flash cannon
ohh ok
random pecan
this looks not too bad tbh
@chrome knot what do you think of it? (I would use H Arcanine instead of Kingambit)
(or Sneasler)
rare pumice
i just saw a throat spray kommo-o
random pecan
(probably Sneasler)
rare pumice
if you choose sneasler what item are you using?
chrome knot
<@224303371564220418> what do you think of it? (I would use H Arcanine instead o...
specs torkoal
dazzling gleam indeedee
random pecan
no protect on Torkoal?
chrome knot
noo
rare pumice
wait why no expanding force on indeedee?
cyan smelt
doesn't get it
random pecan
doesn’t learn expanding force
rare pumice
didn't it get it in sword and shield?
chrome knot
only indeedee-m gets eforce in sv
limber marsh
tera ghost on archuladon good? immune to fake out, plus immune to the fighting weakness?
chrome knot
explain please, sensei<:hmjj:1143237157717282878>
torkoal shines best next to lilligant (essentially going first) or in tr (going first) so why not just maximize torkoal damage output :3
random pecan
true
rare pumice
i think the reason for no specs would be because if you get hurt even slightly turn 1 then eruption isn't at optimal damage
chrome knot
i think the reason for no specs would be because if you get hurt even slightly t...
not true ...?
up until 114hp eruption has higher bp than heatwave
random pecan
Eruption does a lot of dmg
rare pumice
but if torkoal is out turn one when trick room isn't up yet you're in danger aren't you?
chrome knot
depends if torkoal is next to lilligant / not
and if thats the case literally why has that happened lmao
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Tera Fire, Choice Specs
Eruption, HeatWave, EarthPower, ???
rare pumice
so you're just saying don't use torkoal turn 1 then?
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clear smog
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you need a dozo mu still 
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mhm
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What about turn 1 Fake out pressure?
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hi indeedee
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ahh, so just swap lilligant
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ahh
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lilligant can now after you trick room
and trick room before any damage to indeedee can be done
rare pumice
doesn't trick room have like -6 priority though
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wtf
chrome knot
after you changes how it works
after you makes the target move directly after the user
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after you pushes attackes up
rare pumice
so after you doesn't touch priority huh
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breaking up trick room priority
next stump
anyone know what time in EST Lille starts?
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biiiig brain
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and Sneasler instead of Kingambit works?
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3:15am est...
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and Sneasler instead of Kingambit works?
or H Arcanine?
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lurantis griddy
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lurantis griddy
what are you missing? only poliwhirl?
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yeah I just got it
solid frigate
lurantis griddy
Lmao
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starters next?
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yippie
yeah tomorrow I finish blueberry dex
i so eepy and ive been keeping @spiral ridge up by giggling at them
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i so eepy and ive been keeping <@725406472464498719> up by giggling at them<a:Ne...
please awnser my last question before sleep
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where
why would you do either
what do they provide, gambit is pretty healthy on a tr team rn
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is Kingambit so much better?
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tho why not Ursaluna hisui?
rare pumice
i'm thinking of replacing my tailwind talonflame with a tailwind whimsicott
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i so eepy and ive been keeping <@725406472464498719> up by giggling at them<a:Ne...
Mhmm
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tho why not Ursaluna hisui?
I was thinking of having something good outside trick room
chrome knot
you have so many pieces that rly only function within trick room
at some point you just have to stick to the bit
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fair
chrome knot
sneasler would hurt more than help and h-arcanine is just useless here
rare pumice
https://pokepast.es/aaaa98ef2dc04c9b this is my current team
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what am i looking at-
rare pumice
i understand it may be a bit awkward
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rare pumice
i've only just started playing competitive again a few days ago
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helmy rotom 
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taunt on Annihilape is quite useless I believe
rare pumice
i feel taunt is rather useful actually
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on ape it’s not
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thanks for awnsering my questions and sleep well<:kafsleephd:1120452364386697278...
no problemssss
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and U Turn on Meowscarada instead of Triple Axel probably
craggy dagger
why not taunt on literally anyone else on your team
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no problemssss
is granny finally going to bed?
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also Psycho cut instead of shadow sneak on Gallade
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I sSLEEPYDFAOWJFKWANFIHMKA granola bar first tho im didnt eat dinner
...
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Protect > Pain Split on rotom and probably sitrus berry?
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do you need me to fly over and make you something /j
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WDAUIJGWFBLJA
rare pumice
who else would get taunt though
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can whimsi learn taunt?
chrome knot
yes
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if yes, I would say taunt > helping hand no?
craggy dagger
yes
rare pumice
is having both encore and taunt on one pokemon a good ide athough?
craggy dagger
psycho cut sacred sword gallade
why is shadow sneak-
rare pumice
i have a moment of weakness and chose to spec into shadow sneak, but i see now why that was a mistake ok
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is having both encore and taunt on one pokemon a good ide athough?
yeah, you could technically make setup user struggle
verbal night
Your team has a significant lack of protect to stall out turns.
rare pumice
is stalling out turns a good idea on a tailwind team though that feels counter intuitive to me
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also, sash whimsi probably?
verbal night
it is when you need to protect against a fake out or trick room
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or sun and rain
verbal night
it's not ideal but it's still a very important move to have
rare pumice
i feel covert cloak is necessary on whimsicott to ensure a turn 1 support move
verbal night
yeah covert whims is pretty standard, especially if no protect on it
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ahh
verbal night
if protect is on it, then tera ghost & sash.
Both are fine.
craggy dagger
protect is best vgc move
verbal night
though I know there are no protect whims that run tera ghost to avoid fake out, but that's committing your entire tera
rare pumice
is there anyone else on my team that looks like they need any overhauls for right now
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protect is best vgc move
nuh uh, its wake up slap
verbal night
A few but it'll take a bit to break it down
chrome knot
protect is best vgc move
gouging fire breaking swipe would have to disagree
craggy dagger
gouging fire breaking swipe would have to disagree
wymmmmmmmmmmmmmm
verbal night
I hate to say it, but Meowscarada kind of hates this format at the moment.
It's good for dozo answering and some other good answers, but right now it's the land of sneaslers
rare pumice
idk even then i don't think it's the best dondozo answer given how many of them tera grass
verbal night
though meow at least has some beneficial matchups but dozo would be the main reason to run it now sadly.
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wymmmmmmmmmmmmmm
breaking swipe from goating fire is the best vgc move
verbal night
the other things are that gallade is a great mon, but it's mostly for trick room teams since sharpness sacred sword blows up dark types that those teams usually struggle with
you don't seem to be playing that kind of archetype
rare pumice
gallade is the only answer i've been able to find for this team that can really handle both ursaluna and archaludon though is what i'm thinking
what if i replaced meowscarada with weavile?
verbal night
weavile hates this format more
rare pumice
ogod
craggy dagger
breaking swipe from goating fire is the best vgc move
verbal night
Cause sneasler hard counters it, there's gholdengos which are really scary despite the dark coverage, and it lacks a powerful ability
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lets get you to bed granny
solid frigate
lmao
rare pumice
would alolan ninetales be a possibility
verbal night
Kingambits are also everywhere so you'd have to run like, low kick but at that point kingambits are already prepped for low kick cause they're running it for each other
Alolan Ninetales + garchomp is a pretty solid core actually
cause chomp does good into the steels that alolan ninetales doesn't like
and ice damage, especially freeze dry, is pretty good
torn parrot
Baba
rare pumice
i guess the question becomes is there anybody on the team that can be replaced by garchomp, and is alolan ninetales effective on a tailwind team
verbal night
the last issue is that there's rotom-wash.
Rotom wash is really stuck competing with primarina at the moment since prim can use haze, has more accurate water move in liquid voice hyper voice, and is a good source of fairy type damage.
I think this all comes down to what kinda archetype you wanna play
I think you might like a psyspam tailroom team.
It's basically trick room, but you can threaten a fast mode at the same time
rare pumice
i want to be hyper offensive tailwind and i feel like auroroa veil ninetales could work on that, but i'm not sold on garchomp yet, or removing gallade
verbal night
The cool thing about tr is that you don't have to exactly be a super slow mon to use it, just slower than your opponent.
let me see if I can cook something up you'd like to try
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decorate BM Ursaluna
rare pumice
idk what psyspam means btw
verbal night
Oh ok let me explain
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expanding force maybe?
verbal night
Psyspam is basically just. good psychic types on a team
usually with tr
Like Indd-F/Armarouge or Indd-F/Gallade (This makes psycho cut do nuclear damage).
Just a psychic type core
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and Hatterene
rare pumice
i'm guessing haze primarina would do exceptionally well on a team like that
verbal night
actually turns out it doesn't.
those teams already have the guy to blow up dark types, gallade
and usually they have torkoal & hisuian lilligant on them to threaten a fast mode that further deletes dark types
but you want a tailwind team so i'm looking on if there's something like that which did well
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Cause sneasler hard counters it, there's gholdengos which are really scary despi...
Hard counter? I dunno
It’s slower and doesn’t resist triple axel
And weavile is always sash cus it’s one shot by everything
verbal night
a lot of them have unburden
torn parrot
That’s true
rare pumice
i'm sold on indeedee-f + gallade but idk where to go from there i guess
verbal night
and generally get placed into situations where they're less scared of weavile than weavile is of it
torn parrot
Tru tru
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shiny Indeedee
verbal night
i'm sold on indeedee-f + gallade but idk where to go from there i guess
A standard core for that team would be like.
Indd-F/Gallade/an ursaluna/Torkoal/Hisuian-Lilligant/a 6th mon
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just got one for my team
rare pumice
what if i had alola ninetales on it though?
verbal night
that'd be competing with torkoal for weather.
Let me pull up what a usual alolan ninetales team looks like
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maybe it has Alolan Ninetales in its team
verbal night
https://limitlessvgc.com/pokemon/ninetales-alola/results/
here's a history of it in regionals in the past
not really any tailwind stuff, but they have generically strong mons
these are results from the brazil regional a while back.
well, actually, I see that there's a tailwind talonflame on one of these
rare pumice
i guess i just don't really like the idea of using torkoal
rare pumice
it's a bit of an odd choice but what if i chose abomasnow?
verbal night
https://limitlessvgc.com/teams/354/
There's this one that's got gallade on it, but i'm not sure how this team works exactly
molten oasis
dont
verbal night
Oh. do not use abomasnow
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doesn’t alolan ninetales already have snow?
rare pumice
yes but i'm talking about a trick room team now
verbal night
Alolan ninetales is just strictly a better snow setter because abomasnow has too many weaknesses
molten oasis
a9 is strictly better
verbal night
even on trick room it's more likely to do things before going down.
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4x weak to fire is enough to call abomasnow off tbh
patent marsh
Alolan ninetales is just strictly a better snow setter because abomasnow has too...
4x weak to fire when most teams have at least 1 fire pokemon too
verbal night
bad into basically every top mon
molten oasis
ok so ig i cant use the bot in this discord, or just not on my laptop
verbal night
in reg A it was decent.
but also it was the only snow setter we had
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oh sheit, shiny Hattrem
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
solid frigate
ok so ig i cant use the bot in this discord, or just not on my laptop
I'm using a Laptop so idk what happened
verbal night
Sure, slowking exists but that's not the best mon.
molten oasis
That typing, sucks lmao