#competitive_discussion

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dense latch
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i was doing some calcs with charizard its damage output is insane icl

foggy lodge
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a friend also got top cut there

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I'm so happy for him

dense latch
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i regret not going

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didn't get a team built in time

dense latch
foggy lodge
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Luis Roberto

dense latch
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that's sick

foggy lodge
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its roberto im not accostumed to his real name😭

dense latch
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lol

torn parrot
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Here’s the thing

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The flaw in y’all’s logic

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Acting like it’s picking between Urshifu or sneasler

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But people can pick either one in G

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I know the exact moment I stopped watching the arrow

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It was ||when he was like ā€œoh I actually wasn’t on an island for years, it turns out I was actually OFF the island then went BACK to the island to be then found as a missing personā€||

shadow wind
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Hooray !

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Finally glad I can make it high with my main

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Just don't ask about the GXE

molten oasis
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Cuz I get to use it for zacian KEKW

torn parrot
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I ordered from Instacart and they gave me like a shit ton of sliced tomato cans for no fucking reason at all

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So now I have that

dull ibex
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@molten oasishttps://pokepast.es/ec624da050fb5206 Adapted the team

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seems semi aggressive?

molten oasis
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what changed?

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looks pretty much the same

dull ibex
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the ev spreads

molten oasis
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they look fine

dull ibex
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I have no idea how to play this team tbh lmao

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oh the originator likes 252 252

viral spindle
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Would Regigigas benefit more if he has Iron Fist, Mold Breaker, Overcoat, or Moxie

molten oasis
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it would beneit from literally any ability that isnt slow start or klutz or truant

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but iron fist sounds decent for it, or moxie

viral spindle
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Moxie only helps if it actually kills them and iron fist helps every time

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Although that does leave me with a Pawmot on the team

plain drum
viral spindle
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Rage Powder Brute Bonnet or Follow Me Magmar

cyan smelt
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I'm reading vgcguide and taking notes and feel like I'm actually learning

torn parrot
plain drum
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Education is important

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Ironic typo

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Feelsbad

chrome knot
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@mighty stump

torn parrot
cyan smelt
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Once I'm done taking notes on vgc guide I'm gonna mind map it

cyan smelt
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I'm wondering if I should register for the Perth regional

mighty stump
mighty stump
jade dust
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What is the best counter to Archaludon

torn parrot
molten oasis
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fighting type/ground type

torn parrot
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There truly is no other way than hitting it really hard

cyan smelt
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I've noticed when I use sneasler they tend to grass tera

torn parrot
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Well at least it isn’t ghost tera

cyan smelt
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How common is ghost tera

torn parrot
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I honestly havnt seen it in ages on archaludon

jade dust
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Since it has massive def and AV

cyan smelt
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The only things that tend to ghost tera ATM are magmar, maushold and whims

cyan smelt
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Sometimes dragapult with ghost tera tera blast

torn parrot
cyan smelt
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Isn't that usually tera normal

real prairie
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Some run tera ghost to negate fighting attacks

torn parrot
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I fele like in theory on paper ghost tera should be king

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Aside from grass for utility

real prairie
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"a well placed immunity can turn a game, introduction to Tera Ghost"

noble rose
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Safety google mouse with follow me now you don’t need Tera grass ok it. And mouse is a good teammate in vgc

cyan smelt
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I'm changing magmar's tera to ghost

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And giving it wisp

real prairie
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tera fairy + follow me >>> right now

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completely shut down a palt that thinks it can outrage

noble rose
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For spore?

real prairie
noble rose
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Sorry im talking about mouse and arch as a team

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Magar ? I’m yeah that sounds good

torn parrot
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Oh I get it

The dragonite had lum berry for sneasler luck

molten oasis
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and wisp but yea

torn parrot
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Also moogo

noble rose
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Lum on dragonite is also for flame body rage powder volc

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Or magmar

torn parrot
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Seems like lum berry just kicks ass huh

noble rose
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I use it with swagger volbeat

jade dust
noble rose
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Swagger my own teammate

cyan smelt
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I'll have to watch out for lum berry dnite

real prairie
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i had a little stint of swagger volbeat lum berry Sneasler unburden

noble rose
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I used it for a draft with baxcaliber too Tera fairy and nothing touched that Mon

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Also hi I’m new

real prairie
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Welcome

cyan smelt
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Bax is underrated

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Welcome

noble rose
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High key! It is and I love the design I think it’s bc I didn’t understand how halve rush worked before and it gets kinda booty ice type moves

cyan smelt
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SD glaive rush ice shard

noble rose
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Ty all!

cyan smelt
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Ice shard is good for finishing sash mons

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Actually is dragon dance better on bax

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I remember ddance clam was a thing

noble rose
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Swagger with lum how I was running it was like swords dance and an attack in the same turn plus I’d tailwind next turn with volbeat in case it was brought down to sash

cyan smelt
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Neat, what do you do against follow me redirection?

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Bring something else ig

noble rose
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Don’t go for it lol take follow me user out then go for it

cyan smelt
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Glaive rush is strong

noble rose
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Halve rush does a lot of damage

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lol me typing that while you said it

cyan smelt
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And you can just protect the next turn so you don't get hit

real prairie
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i had some fun recently with loaded dice + Icicle Spear + Swift swim Beartic on a rain team

cyan smelt
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Neat, I love niche picks like that

noble rose
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Glaive Rush inflicts damage. If the move hits, until the next time the user acts, any attacks directed at the user (including OHKO moves) deal double the damage (not applicable to moves that deal direct damage) and bypass accuracy and evasion checks to always hit. The effect ends if a different move is used.

tiny karmaBOT
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Move: Glaive Rush

If this move is successful, moves targeted at the user deal double damage and do not check accuracy until the user's next turn.

Type

Dragon

Category

Physical

Power

120

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

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Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

noble rose
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Meaning during that turn so when I tailwind after it moves first next turn

real prairie
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basically you are double weak the turn after you use it

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so glaive rush -> Protect

noble rose
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During the turn till you move again

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So slow bax turn one tailwind then fast bax turn two and halve rush is over

real prairie
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well yeah, guess if you have Ice shard that helps too

noble rose
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You can get around it with ice shard

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Yes!

cyan smelt
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Do you run SD/ddance?

noble rose
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So you never have to protect

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And if you Tera fairy like I did you don’t get hit by dragon moves from arch, dnite, chomp

real prairie
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can hear sucker punch Gambit laughing from hear lol

cyan smelt
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I love me some kingambit

noble rose
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Tera fairy will still be risitent so double resisted is normal damage I believe

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Same! Shiny is beautiful

cyan smelt
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I have one with rare mark

noble rose
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I’m trying to get into shiny hunting more last one I did was hatching a H Zoroark

molten oasis
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The Nintendo alarmo is the one of the biggest scams I’ve ever seen

cyan smelt
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What's that

molten oasis
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An $100 alarm clock

cyan smelt
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Lol

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People will buy it though

molten oasis
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Unfortunately

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The guy I watched made a good point

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If someone were to take me to their hours after like a fun night out or smth and I hear Mario noises in the corner of their room I’m fucking leaving

cyan smelt
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Lmao

knotty mirage
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I'm actually quite interested on buying it just don't know if i really need it tho

jade dust
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Volcarona is very very good

knotty mirage
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Oh well guess i'll wait untill it available on my country having alarm clock with nintendo sounds neat

jade dust
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I just saw a good volcarona team

cerulean rose
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Hey I’m looking to test my new team out In single battles āœŒļø 6v6

cyan smelt
cyan smelt
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i'm definitely learning a lot more taking notes than i did just skimming the text on vgcguide

cyan smelt
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hi monke

chrome knot
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finally made it to louisville

cyan smelt
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hmmm i'm getting interested in lycanroc dusk

tiny peak
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Thanks for everyone's help my team building is going good last thing I can't decide on is the last mon, I've got harcanine/murkrow/garchomp/primarina/amoongus, my last question is who is best for the final slot to counter archaludon, sneasler or annihilape

cyan smelt
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Blood moon Ursa?

tiny peak
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@cyan smelt that's a good mon I just have garchomp in it's place right now so I was curious if sneasler or annihilape was a good counter for it

cyan smelt
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Yeah sneasler or annihilape are good against archaludon

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Annihilape isn't as good without beat up so maybe sneasler

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Also I misread lol, thought you wanted a counter for all 3

mighty stump
cyan smelt
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I think I will go to the perth regional

chrome knot
gentle cragBOT
tiny peak
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@cyan smelt thanks yeah sorry I suck at typing sometimes

gentle cragBOT
tiny peak
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Welp I gotta clock in for work soon yall have a good day

dull ibex
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Hello everyone

mighty stump
next stump
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louisville timeeeeeee

dull ibex
chrome knot
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i be at a fuckin wafflehouse rn never kill yourselfšŸ™šŸ™šŸ™

next stump
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oh shit i forgot kentucky is kinda the south hahaha

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they have waffle house there

spiral ridge
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Is Maryland considered south cus we also have Waffle House quag

chrome knot
mighty stump
dull ibex
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dude how do i play this ninetails team 😭

mighty stump
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lolwut

dull ibex
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how do i play this ninetails team?

molten oasis
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He’s playing Chua’s team

dull ibex
foggy lodge
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I found CalyDow's bestie

mighty stump
bold geode
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Based Tofu

chrome knot
dull ibex
chrome knot
bold geode
chrome knot
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tomorrow!!

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but pre reg is today :3

foggy lodge
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good luck!!

mighty stump
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Meanwhile me: not keeping up and not giving a fuck

bold geode
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Idk there's another Coaching Infernape team now so that's basically overshadowing me KekHands

mighty stump
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lol

bold geode
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Yeah Tofu fucking Pokesports made a Coaching Infernape team that's like similar to mine besides like some set changes, same fucking 6 and I'm like bruh c'mon

spiral ridge
bold geode
spiral ridge
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I
Wasn’t ready for this response

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You gonna rehydrate him first or?

bold geode
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Yeah
Gotta keep ya on your toes

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Sure
He like Dasani or Aquafina?

spiral ridge
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Idk he can’t really speak

bold geode
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Don't tell me he's a Fiji guy or the deal is off

mighty stump
spiral ridge
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Is monkey gonna pick up on what i mean or 😭

mighty stump
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Probably not

spiral ridge
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I was lying too and just tryna fuck with him :(
literally too dumb for it

dull ibex
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I've never regretted switching teams more

real prairie
molten oasis
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imgaine

limber marsh
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Would anyone be up to provide team comp advice? I'm very happy with 5 members of my team, but I've tried a lot of Mons in the last slot and it never feels very good

bold geode
bold geode
spiral ridge
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Just to make sure you don’t fuck this up: you’re the turtle

limber marsh
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Amoonguss @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Regenerator
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe

  • Sludge Bomb
  • Rage Powder
  • Spore
  • Pollen Puff

Farigiraf @ Throat Spray
Ability: Armor Tail
Level: 50
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 116 Def / 252 SpA / 140 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Trick Room
  • Hyper Voice
  • Psychic
  • Protect

Murkrow @ Eviolite
Ability: Prankster
Level: 50
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 252 HP / 124 Def / 132 SpD
Careful Nature

  • Quash
  • Tailwind
  • Taunt
  • Brave Bird

Garchomp @ Clear Amulet
Ability: Rough Skin
Level: 50
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Rock Slide
  • Earthquake
  • Dragon Claw
  • Swords Dance

Ursaluna-Bloodmoon @ Life Orb
Ability: Mind's Eye
Level: 50
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 SpD
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe

  • Blood Moon
  • Protect
  • Earth Power
  • Hyper Voice
bold geode
limber marsh
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This is my team so far, don't look to close at the evs, they aren't calced just there to get an idea how it plays

spiral ridge
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Yeah you’re not cool enough to say cowabummer

bold geode
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Oh I am
I'd just say womp womp to spite Batman

craggy dagger
bold geode
craggy dagger
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hello

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why is there so much psyspam KeySmash

knotty mirage
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Because it's the easiest archetype to play in this reg i guess

bold geode
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And Hard TR Psyspam is fraudulent

mighty stump
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lol

chrome knot
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TOFU did u see my scrunglies…

bold geode
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You're a scrunglie CatStare

craggy dagger
spiral ridge
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Wh

bold geode
craggy dagger
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no

bold geode
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Ah
Then idk
I know people found out once again that BM and Farigiraf can be good
But yeah no TR Psyspam kinda ass, Delphox the homie

craggy dagger
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magic bounce .-.

bold geode
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Fast E Force

molten oasis
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hatt psyspam is ok imo

spiral ridge
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Dazzling on hatt can do some damage

torn parrot
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I get more stressed out fighting armarouge than hat

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Arma can do all sorts of fucky annoying things

spiral ridge
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Same

torn parrot
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Hat is like

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You know what set she has every single time

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The only ever surpise is if she has mystical fire or protect

solid frigate
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Did i see a text wall again

balmy glen
chrome knot
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this

solid frigate
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time to ask someone in the trading chat for a Zacian

spiral ridge
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Gimme a sec to check switch ded

solid frigate
spiral ridge
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This shit taking ages to charge. Apologies

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There it goes

solid frigate
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alr

spiral ridge
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Yeah I do

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You just need one for a team right?

spiral ridge
solid frigate
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do you need anything in return

spiral ridge
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Uhh

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I’d just like it back one day if you get tired of using it
Dc when

solid frigate
spiral ridge
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Then you’ll use it better than me anyway

solid frigate
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Drago is still better

spiral ridge
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Then hand it to him whenever he needs it KekCry

solid frigate
spiral ridge
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You ready to trade? On sv

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Ah

solid frigate
spiral ridge
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Look for a dm soon

torn parrot
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What’s the command for shiny sprites

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Looking for a shiny beldum

molten oasis
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/dt sprite then the pokemon you want then shiny=true

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oh wha?

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is the bot gone or is my internet buggin out

boreal mauveBOT
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Normal Bulbasaur
spiral ridge
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. /sprite

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No dt

dull ibex
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im so beyond salty

solid frigate
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F

boreal mauveBOT
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Shiny Ludicolo
molten oasis
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This team sucks man

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Nothing works

shadow wind
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A master craftsmen never blames his tools

molten oasis
gentle cragBOT
solid frigate
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lol

scarlet otter
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Hello

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When is format H coming?

solid frigate
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its literally going on

scarlet otter
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Oh I've missed a lot of formats

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I last logged on in format F

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What is the new format and what are some sample teams I could look at?

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I can't log on with my switch to check it

solid frigate
scarlet otter
torn parrot
gentle cragBOT
dense latch
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finally WobbuParty

cyan smelt
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Grats

torn parrot
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WELL DONE

cyan smelt
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I need to try and climb to t500

torn parrot
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itll happen
i dont reccomend subjecting yoruself to the ladder for long climbs

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you could try reaching a nearby goal then another

cyan smelt
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I want to reach 1500 first

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I'm at 1410 rn

torn parrot
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WobbuParty you can do it

cyan smelt
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Want to see if I can keep my gxe above 70%

torn parrot
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your at 70 atm?

cyan smelt
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72.1% on my alt

torn parrot
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nice nice!

cyan smelt
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Yeah once I replaced buzz with magmar things started going a lot better for some reason

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Overheat can deal with whims and gholdengo and kingambit which is nice

dense latch
gentle cragBOT
chrome knot
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@mighty stump can i call you in like 2ish hours im stressed out of my mind and nobody available tn >_<

bold geode
bold geode
chrome knot
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im just a girl >.<

craggy dagger
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you’ll be okay sillies

bold geode
molten oasis
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I read that and got the wrong song playing in my head lmaoo

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Thought about uptown girl for a second

bold geode
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This guy

spiral ridge
molten oasis
viral spindle
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I just found a deadly mix of pokemon for a Mono Water Team

spiral ridge
molten oasis
viral spindle
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Dondozo
Tatsugiri
Primarina
Lumineon
Empoleon
Gyarados

spiral ridge
molten oasis
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Lmaoo, it is an old song

dull ibex
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I got some wins

molten oasis
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1983

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Good job red proud of you

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Billy Joel is one of my favorite singers

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He makes so many good songs

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Anyway back to work and katamari music

spiral ridge
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Still rock and roll to me

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That scream after that part feel like fucking Freddie

chrome knot
bold geode
dull ibex
bold geode
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Nuh Uh

foggy lodge
timber falcon
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finally got some time to make a team on pokemon good lord😭

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anyways ive noticed a new regulation/

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this i doubles restricted right? Or smth else?

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nvm its still h

cyan smelt
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well i've registered for the perth regional

torn parrot
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what about me?

foggy lodge
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do you use Indeedee-F?

zinc totem
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if pokemon learns yawn and taunt, which one is more valuable? Taunt helps against TR mons and moongus but yawn can force switch outs Hmmge

torn parrot
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i use furret...

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what does that say about mearkeknine

foggy lodge
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i think that means you are all of the video in one person

timber falcon
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cause its not just for tr

molten oasis
zinc totem
molten oasis
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I’ve only climbed with stuff other people have made, doesn’t feel like I put any work into it

molten oasis
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You know what you’re doing clearly I fucking don’t lol

foggy lodge
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i found an Ursaluna BM with safety goggles and another Ursa BM with yawn today

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Wtf is happening

torn parrot
molten oasis
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I haven’t learned shit

zinc totem
timber falcon
molten oasis
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The 2 teams I played are pretty different from eachother

spiral ridge
zinc totem
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wanna try team that got me into top 100? @molten oasis maybe it helps?

molten oasis
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I can’t apply that much knowledge

timber falcon
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im thinking assault vest golurk

molten oasis
molten oasis
timber falcon
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STAB poltergeist

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never miss

zinc totem
timber falcon
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maybe different item?

molten oasis
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Uh huh, please use something else

timber falcon
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maybe its for the best

molten oasis
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I, ehhh, i don’t, mmm

zinc totem
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use band dragapult

molten oasis
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The way I play sucks in this format that’s why I’m fucking just, ugh

timber falcon
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archaludon is still a massive threat right?

molten oasis
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I like set up balance, I’m like 90% sure that archetype doesn’t exist

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Cuz everything is immediate damage

zinc totem
foggy lodge
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i think you could just use a public popular team with a pokemon that you like or a gameplay style you like, that could give you an idea of what the skeleton of the team
Or maybe you already did and didn't work but thats my idea

timber falcon
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man i really wanna make a golurk team now

zinc totem
timber falcon
molten oasis
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Mausape sucks

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They broke up

zinc totem
timber falcon
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need myself a steel type mon ig

molten oasis
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I REALLY HAVE

zinc totem
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kingambit in clef balance would be up to your alley @molten oasis

molten oasis
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MIRRORS SUCK ASS

zinc totem
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one SD and its boom

molten oasis
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I played sneasler pult for a little bit that mirror is the least amount of fun I’ve ever had in this game

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And I like dengo, gambits cool too but I like dengo more and this is his format to do good in

zinc totem
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im actually working on milotic team KEKWDISCO

molten oasis
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Cuz he’s mid in restricted

zinc totem
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i actually found way make one of bad mons work in it somehow

molten oasis
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Sorry, I’m just, this formats kicking my ass and I just feel like everytime I get up I get smacked back down

rustic mountain
molten oasis
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I had that week I did well and then just, lost all of that

zinc totem
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Gholdengo @ Metal Coat
Ability: Good as Gold
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 132 SpA / 12 SpD / 108 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Make It Rain
  • Shadow Ball
  • Protect
  • Nasty Plot
molten oasis
rustic mountain
molten oasis
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And a little in reg f

zinc totem
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reg G dengo was insanely annoying to deal with ngl

molten oasis
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Dengo also didn’t seem very strong in restricted

molten oasis
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Or they had incin/Csr so it didn’t matter lol

rustic mountain
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it had a bit of play in reg g but yea it wasnt the best choice generally

zinc totem
molten oasis
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Ugh, man I just, mmm

zinc totem
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it couldnt tera fairy to it and if tera shadowball came from dengo it was rough

molten oasis
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This is probably my worst format where I wasn’t using the worst picks on the planet lol

rustic mountain
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id say other then reg g tho dengos been pretty consistent and usually always made a resurgence if it already wasnt prominent at the start of a meta

molten oasis
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I can’t put shit together idk what happened

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Might be due to just, not being able to pinpoint what I wanna play since I keep flip flopping between dengo and a9

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Which don’t pair all that well together, I think

molten oasis
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I played Delphox stuff for a minute today it’s fun but not my style

torn parrot
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what turned you off from it?

molten oasis
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Maybe if I really break down dengo I can get somewhere, or try dengo hydrei again

rustic mountain
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yea its a volatile playstyle u gotta make a lot of hard call outs usually

molten oasis
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That’s why, it’s the amount of calls you have to make

zinc totem
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i am having some fun and this feels so toxic what i did when i started testing

molten oasis
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Other stuff I played I felt like I had a solid safe line into a lot of stuff and only had to make calls in poor positions

rustic mountain
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yea haha its not a team that lends to switching generally, u need to make the right calls including leads otherwise u jus are losing momentum and prolly cant recover

molten oasis
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With Delphox it’s calling the rilla switchin or not and then is the peli gonna wide guard etc

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It’s fun, not my style

rustic mountain
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1 specific tera can screw u so if u dont account for it it can burst open ur board and put u on the backfoot and those teams usually dont like that

molten oasis
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Yea

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Once you’re on the back foot I feel like you have to make a really good call or they have to throw

zinc totem
rustic mountain
molten oasis
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Did get lucky and someone Tera’s the Archa out of steel so I got an eforce off that cost them the match

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Otherwise I either swept pretty hard or lost pretty quick

rustic mountain
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generally how those teams go

molten oasis
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Which is, fine, but, as I’ve said before

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Not my thing

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guess I’m gonna breakdown dengo since I’m not getting a9 working not in that 6 lol

rustic mountain
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i think ppl get really good off playing those kind of teams but idt thats a good approach to take consistently, taking risky plays and betting games on 1 or 2 turns is volatile and generally not needed

molten oasis
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Agreed

timber falcon
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what the heck

molten oasis
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Could start with just, the usual shit

timber falcon
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why are people playing this hyper offence

molten oasis
torn parrot
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i respect the hecking golurk

rustic mountain
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ur running golurk

molten oasis
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What are YOU playing

timber falcon
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masterpiece

molten oasis
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Idk about that one chief

spiral ridge
rustic mountain
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also, that is not ho

spiral ridge
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-gastrodon and grimm
-HO

molten oasis
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Blaziken balance stuff

rustic mountain
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p much yea

timber falcon
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im think im winnign somehow

rustic mountain
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i jus played a mono ice team on cart b4

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played the whole game w/ choice specs incin

molten oasis
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wtf

rustic mountain
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they tricked it onto me

molten oasis
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What tricked you’re item away?

rustic mountain
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rotom

molten oasis
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Rotom?

rustic mountain
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yep lol

molten oasis
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Might have seen that team before then lol

rustic mountain
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ice rotom

molten oasis
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I barely lost to some Rotom team the other day

timber falcon
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i lost to trick choice scarf grimsnarl lol

molten oasis
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Discharge lol

rustic mountain
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it was like ice rotom/abomasnow/avalugg im forgetting the 4th but cetitan was on the team (they didnt bring it)

molten oasis
rustic mountain
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mamowsine was on there

molten oasis
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It’s a sign

dull ibex
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so p2 balance is a trick room team?

molten oasis
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Yea, I’d say so

dull ibex
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like it aims to get up trick room?

rustic mountain
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it has a trick room mode

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doesnt necessarily need tr depending on the mu

dull ibex
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how do you run it not in trick room

molten oasis
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You have dengo mode and tr mode is what I’ve always thought of it as

spiral ridge
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@chrome knot p2 convo come help

chrome knot
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absolutely not

molten oasis
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She has a tournament tomorrow let her be lol

rustic mountain
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gl

molten oasis
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Have fun

dull ibex
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have fun!

rustic mountain
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i forgot it was 2mw

molten oasis
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I’m probably not gonna end up watching

rustic mountain
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i should build that team in game next

dull ibex
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oh so would you use dengo mode into teams that shut down tr?

molten oasis
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Work and shit

dull ibex
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if they can't you set up tr?

rustic mountain
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im not gna b able to catch most of it but will watch some replays

timber falcon
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ok so theres blaziken balance, porygon2 and dengo mash up? and now this

molten oasis
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Probably? I’m not sure I don’t play p2 balance

timber falcon
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ill scrap my team and work with what im seeing

molten oasis
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Dengo mode seems to be important for when tr can’t get going

dull ibex
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hmmm okay that makes it alot easier to stoumach

molten oasis
rustic mountain
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also like

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ur prolly mid ladder range thats not a good take on the meta

molten oasis
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That even looks relatively normal there’s just a milotic

rustic mountain
#

ur facing all mish mosh teams

molten oasis
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And a corv that I don’t get but like the other 4 I’d see on some higher ladder teams, I think

timber falcon
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but is golurk that bad of an idea?

molten oasis
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Yes

rustic mountain
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look at victory road for top performing teams to get an idea whats actually been doing well. sure its bo3 vs bo1 but usually bo3 transitions fine into bo1 imo

timber falcon
molten oasis
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Use something better, and you’re just coming back? Go play meta

timber falcon
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whats the meta

molten oasis
molten oasis
rustic mountain
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golurk unfortunately is not very good and doesnt provide enough value as a mon. the typing, the speed and its stats jus dont lend itself to doing anything something else cant jus do better

molten oasis
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Big ones are like, sneasler Dragapult balance e

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Archaludon rain

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P2 Ursa/fariluna balance

rustic mountain
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wolfey used it on some meme team but like theres very few players that r gna win w/ that

timber falcon
molten oasis
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Volc balance kinda fell off a cliff

rustic mountain
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a lot of it rn is jus sneasler/dpult balance yea

molten oasis
#

That’s the thing to beat

timber falcon
rustic mountain
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chomp.dnite/a9/incin/shroom core

molten oasis
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Which I think dengo is good into

rustic mountain
#

arch rain like drago mentioned is still around

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talonflame offense sometimes overlaps w/ dozo tatsu

molten oasis
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I wish volc had better coverage

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A Tera fire/dragon ruins its life it kinda sucks

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Or like, incin lol

rustic mountain
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volcs ok i think it fell off but its still solid

timber falcon
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is it possible to create a team for the sole purpose of denying hard meta mons whilst still being good?

molten oasis
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It’s kinda bad into sneasler pult

rustic mountain
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i think there were some day 2 volc teams at almost every regional so far

molten oasis
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It still works for sure I just don’t think it’s as good as we thought

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Tauros also doesn’t exist anymore lol

rustic mountain
molten oasis
#

As far as I’m aware

rustic mountain
molten oasis
#

anyway, I should get to breaking down dengo

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I’m not gonna get anywhere if I don’t pick smth to pursuit

timber falcon
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any hard tr teams i should know about btw?

rustic mountain
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jus the usual arm/indeedee torkoal ursaluna gallade stuff

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usually its some variation of that

timber falcon
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ok thanks

molten oasis
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I see Hatt more

timber falcon
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hmm

molten oasis
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The team that won dortmund looks, fine, idk how I feel about the ape

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Jesus I was really on dengo a9 hydrei for a while

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I have like 20 different variants of it

rustic mountain
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all my teams on sd got cleared lol

molten oasis
#

Archa peli has started falling off a bit, maybe veil a9 has merit with less weather control around

spiral ridge
#

:(

molten oasis
rustic mountain
rustic mountain
spiral ridge
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first time i saw ttar flying tera blast my gallade needless to say wasnt ready

molten oasis
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Mostly a thought as I’m staring down these old teams

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When I had veil before Paul did his thing

rustic mountain
molten oasis
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Yep

spiral ridge
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WASNT AWARE TIL IT BITCH SLAPPED ME

rustic mountain
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oof

molten oasis
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Lmao that sucks

spiral ridge
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like 3 times til i realized this just must be the nrom

rustic mountain
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yea

spiral ridge
rustic mountain
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covers its main weakness in fighting and subverts it

spiral ridge
#

mhm

rustic mountain
#

also flying is pretty few and far between rn

cyan smelt
#

covers its grass weakness too

spiral ridge
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vivi :3

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drag flying tera blast too

rustic mountain
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wb it

spiral ridge
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nothing im just saying flying

rustic mountain
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oh yea vivis around

spiral ridge
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emma got me into vivi chomp is fun

molten oasis
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I played vivi chomp briefly it was fun

spiral ridge
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it can just do anything

molten oasis
#

This is probably the format where I’ve jumped on new stuff the most

spiral ridge
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its frail as shit but it can do it while it can!

molten oasis
#

Doesn’t it carry sash?

spiral ridge
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yes but its still frail?

molten oasis
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Just clarifying

spiral ridge
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one of its more used moves is rage powder soo two mons can go into it

molten oasis
#

Mm

dull ibex
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so they had kingambit and pult out

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gambit was asleep

molten oasis
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I totally thought you said smth else lmao

dull ibex
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I got to ohko their gambit and put their pult to sleep

molten oasis
#

maybe tailroom with blursa dengo could work

bold geode
molten oasis
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I don’t see that at all lmao

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I see psyspam, but ig my current account has been in the trenches cuz I can’t get a good team/pilot anything

timber falcon
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ok so ive done some notes and thinking

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came up with a starting team of mons

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2 mons which i feel could swap are grimsnarl for electabuzz or farig

rustic mountain
timber falcon
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and glim could swao for ursaluna or sneasler for more offence + rilla grassy seed

rustic mountain
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but its up there

timber falcon
#

any obvious holes in the team ive missed?

rustic mountain
#

ur teams kinda bad for tailwind outside glimm, other then that seems ok

timber falcon
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yeah its not much of a benefit from tailwind, talon flame holds the purpose of controlling the field ESPECIALLY in the case im against whimsicott

molten oasis
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Wait

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Glimmora kinda not too bad into sneasler

timber falcon
#

mhm and archaludon

molten oasis
#

Eeeeehhhhh

timber falcon
#

earth power no good?

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yeh no stab is there

molten oasis
#

Pelipper kinda prevents Tera and flash cannon is kinda free

rustic mountain
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its not stab and u need the +1 from meteor beam usually i can ko glimm w. +1 flash cannon

timber falcon
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then i can swap it for a fighting type with sash, that was my other option

rustic mountain
#

sometimes u can overwhelm it but it also has tera so it becomes a mind game

timber falcon
#

i see

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a neutral special attacker could also work right?

molten oasis
#

Idk what else it does into the meta tho

rustic mountain
timber falcon
molten oasis
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It’s like, not terrible into Primarina

timber falcon
#

glim doesnt get me as much value as a initially thought

molten oasis
#

Decent into rilla, ehh maybe it isn’t all that good

rustic mountain
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glimm needs partners that capitalize off it, it cant be ur main thing, whether its dozo or other strong offensive mons in the back (or glimm in the back to clean up for them)

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thats why i mentioned u dont really have a strong tw mode and glimms the only thing truly benefitting. talons kinda meh i see it more as support

timber falcon
#

wait

rustic mountain
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id say to commit more to the 4 balance mons u have or round out a better tw team

molten oasis
#

Geezing is something tofu has said is solid a couple times

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It can beat sneasler pult

rustic mountain
#

wolfeys team was cool

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i think theres room to explore it

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something w/ a high skill ceiling, abilties are extremely prevalent on a lot of mons

timber falcon
#

im wondering if having no spatcker is a problem though

molten oasis
#

Why not just run Primarina over dozo

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That makes sense to me

rustic mountain
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nd then why not jus run balance team w/ magmar pult over grimm and talon

molten oasis
#

Mhmm

rustic mountain
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u might hate meta but rn ur team is a worst version of arguably the most common meta team atm. might be worth playing it to better understand wat it is ur even building vs

timber falcon
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because i want dozo as the brick or something. A mon i can place to disturb a whole bunch of plays like set up and a nice swap, whilst maintaining the ability to hit decently with chip. Of course these 6 are just for testing. primarina is one of the "potential" to swap with dozo

molten oasis
#

Dude

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I’m telling you, you need to play meta

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So you can then build around it, you’re starting fresh going agaisnt meta already is kinda dumb

timber falcon
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fine ill do some meta

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its just i suck at using teams like dragapult sneasler

molten oasis
#

Learn

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Or find smth that works for you

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No one said you have to use sneasler pult

rigid robin
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Guys I'm trying to make my team as well. I want to use my favorite pokemon Greninja in it. I already know some common meta mons rn: Primarina, Dragonite, Garchomp, Volcarona, Archaludon, etc.

timber falcon
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whenever i get a hard hitting mon i lose all reason and end up making dumb choices, i like to use slow burning mons cause i think better, idk how to explain it

molten oasis
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Greninja peli Archaludon is something to try out

rustic mountain
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yea id use different wording but its better to have more information it seems u dont really know the meta fully atm, but once u play good mons/teams and get to a higher rank in ladder ull start to see more of what u need to do to beat those teams

rigid robin
molten oasis
#

Yes

molten oasis
rustic mountain
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experience is everything, we can tell u wat we know all we want but until u go thru w/ it urself ull never really grasp it the way u need to

molten oasis
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If I break dengo down maybe I can get somewhere

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Currently just staring at ground and fighting types lol

rustic mountain
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well

timber falcon
#

found some teams

rustic mountain
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id start looking at the most successful versions of dengo teams so far and see wat they are achieving overall

timber falcon
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idk where the october ones are though

molten oasis
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It’s legit tw modes and then the ursaluna tr stuff

rustic mountain
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i mean dengo as a mon is pretty straightforward, its jus how u choose to play it

molten oasis
#

I’m, getting there lol

rigid robin
rustic mountain
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wat team r u using it on

rigid robin
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it was a grimm team with gliscor in it

rustic mountain
#

prolly need better enablers dude

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gliscor sucks tbh

rigid robin
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Grimm, Gliscor, Infernape, Cloyster, Rillaboom, Dengo

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that was my team and I realized it wasnt working lol

rigid robin
rustic mountain
#

is this singles?

rigid robin
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yes

rustic mountain
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ahh yea thats why haha

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most of us here are vgc

rigid robin
#

oh i'd never use gliscor in doubles lmfao

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hazard setters suck in doubles

rustic mountain
#

yea gliscor is good in singles i thought we were talkin doubles pepogld

rigid robin
#

in doubles basically you run weather, TR, or tailwind

rustic mountain
#

eh ive run teams w/ none of those

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but yea those are general archetypes that exist

spiral ridge
#

sub baton pass swords dance blaziken poliwhirlkek
i was like 9

rustic mountain
spiral ridge
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if the plan ever worked i sent it into a kartana

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make the fast glass cannon even faster and stronger

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it didnt work well

rustic mountain
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yea id imagine

spiral ridge
#

old kid me teams

rustic mountain
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kartanas cool tho

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had fun w/ it in swsh. hunted a shiny one

spiral ridge
#

ive been on shiny lunala for over a year

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i got a suicune in 6 during this hunt and nothing else

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im like 250 deep at least

rustic mountain
#

oh god gl, i luckily didnt have it take too long but ive had my fair share of long hunts

spiral ridge
craggy dagger
spiral ridge
#

and heres nova immediately soon as i mention it

rustic mountain
#

nova was waiting

rustic mountain
#

ur doin das for lunala?

spiral ridge
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me? yeah but low determination so very periodic

rustic mountain
#

wats ur method

spiral ridge
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have a saved path with like 40 left in it thats 100% success rate so far

rustic mountain
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ahh ok so u know wat ur doing

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u do endless das to restock ore?

spiral ridge
#

mhm and i have charm :)
just no luck :(

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endless das?

rustic mountain
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yeh

spiral ridge
#

i just do random lunala DAs to get more once im out

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thats like 40-60% success rate

rustic mountain
#

on the left u can choose endless das and it jus keeps going until u die and if u get good enough runs going u get way more value for ore then u would jus doin reg da runs

spiral ridge
#

i have never heard of this

rustic mountain
#

ive gotten like 100+ ore from it

spiral ridge
#

do you need to have finsihed more dlc to unlock this?

rustic mountain
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u have to unlock it but yea it exists

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i forget the requirements but it isnt anything crazy

spiral ridge
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yup i have done 0 dlc i just have been here trying to do this soon as i got to dlc

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:(

rustic mountain
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id recommend trying for it since its super efficient makes the restock for ore way faster

molten oasis
#

hm

spiral ridge
#

if i remember this by time my ore is up i will ty

rustic mountain
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granted not every run is gna go far enough to net u a lot of ore but all u need is that one

molten oasis
#

man do i wish a certain bear was legal

rustic mountain
#

stop

molten oasis
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nah, i want it back

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shifu solves so many of my issues

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and i hate sneasler

rustic mountain
#

this legendary solves my issues in a format legendaries arent allowed
bruh

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come on man haha

spiral ridge
#

Man Yknow a miraidon would help me with my prim issues dude

molten oasis
#

ik what i said before but this format sucks lol

spiral ridge
#

Wellspring oger cus fuck aqua Tauros

molten oasis
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oh, aqua tauros, pefect dengo partner on paper

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i think

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shifu murders incin and kingambit, the 2 things dengo hates most

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lemme cope

rustic mountain
#

drago i think ur jus letting ur very specific parameters of what u need out of every format to ruin a format thats pretty fun

molten oasis
#

dude, i dont find volatile hyper offense teams fun

rustic mountain
#

who says u gta play that?

molten oasis
#

i dont think mirrors everygame with sneasler pult is fun

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i have specific parameters cuz thats what i find fun and this format is pretty against it

rustic mountain
#

ur parameters r if u didnt build it its not fun

molten oasis
#

no

rustic mountain
#

got a9 one of ur favs finally good and u cant even enjoy it cuz u didnt come up with the best archetype

molten oasis
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i found sneasler pult fun i didn't build it

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i've said multiple times i hate dnite

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that team does not click for me

rustic mountain
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its jus a good stuffs team. dnites there for chomp to click eq next to and threaten flying damage into a rilla or shroom if needed or jus hit stuff neutral w/ it/ u hav good pivot pieces in incin shroom, a set up mode w/ gambit and another damage dealer w/ specs a9

molten oasis
#

and sure maybe i want to be able to build a team, cuz i feel like a shit player using other peoples teams, i put 0 effort into it and let someone else do the work to make a team, i do not feel satisfied using other peoples teams, it enhances playmaking sure, i like getting stuff going cuz i feel satisfied when i manage tog et something to work and it feels just not great when someone else did it for me

rustic mountain
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its jus super restrictive. im not suggesting only using other ppls teams but it seems wen u do, its for 2 seconds and u either drop it cuz u hate the mirror or a mons not clicking or w/e else u come up w/ to go back to wat u want instead of maybe actually jus working on wat u need which is jus general improvement as a player

molten oasis
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fair enough

rustic mountain
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if all u want is to build teams and have more fun with using more distinct stuff then do it, but accept the inconsistency. u want it both ways w/o going thru the steps needed to get there

molten oasis
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k, i get that, that also takes years and my patience is thin rn, especially considering i was doing fine last reg, but fair enough, im not gonnna play, anything i built, cuz i cant get anything to work, and just play set comps of 6, cuz i cant build for shit

rustic mountain
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idk i remember last reg being more or less the same w/ a back nd forth trying to constantly figure zacian out

molten oasis
#

i had a path with zacian im completely lost this format

rustic mountain
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idt years is wat itd take, i think jus actually committing to just playing good teams and getting better and not focus on the stuff u dont like that can happen (mirrors, mons feeling awkward at 1st etc) and then thru that experience getting the know how and what u need to do to tech out and choose a comp to combat the meta

molten oasis
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i also do everything bascially by myself except confirmation from people online

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for teams, so no one tests what i have im just on my own

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so maybe i have something thats fine and i havent figured it out

molten oasis
rustic mountain
#

ahh gotcha

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yea i mean i also think u get down on urself pretty harshly

runic eagle
#

so. I hear that se-jun park has returned with his world champ squirrel.

rustic mountain
#

sometimes there are setbacks dont go too far down the rabbit hole of self deprecation

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even for myself during bad spurts i try and remind myself like hey it happens

runic eagle
#

i was under the impression that we now had better follow-me users, specifically indeedee, maushold, and the oger in the room

#

did pachirisu just sync exceptionally well with miraidon?

molten oasis
#

mental issues mostly, i tend to do that, its jsut a habit, ive tried to break it

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its rough

rustic mountain
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ahh gotcha

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jus try and catch urself

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as best u can, ofc not always gna work

molten oasis
#

i get that

rustic mountain
#

i forget the team comp im ngl i jus remember he faced aaron on stream

molten oasis
#

i think im close then its just taht like one day where the team feels super clunky, its usally me but i tend to just blame it on the team, which is, another poor habit

rustic mountain
#

stick w/ it sometimes its jus overthinking, u might be too tired or jus tilted

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gta know in those moments even if u keep going thats why. ive had so many late laddering nights i drop 100-200+ points to make it back the next day wen im not tilting or tired or w/e

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but as im going im usually aware like hey im annoyed rn im prolly not gna b playing my best

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if not jus completely try and stop

molten oasis
#

yea

runic eagle
molten oasis
#

its a combo of things, i might try old stuff that i knew worked and see if they're ok

runic eagle
#

i love the fact pachirisu is back

molten oasis
#

i was close, a lot, i probably gave up too soon

runic eagle
#

in my eyes it's part of maybe the most iconic moment in competitive history

empty kettle
#

any cute pokemon teams for pokemon shield/sword?

rustic mountain
molten oasis
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a9, hydra and dengo

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that core worked if i figured out something better into gambit and incin that team was generally solid

torn parrot
#

people should make their primarinas alot faster

#

its very nice

molten oasis
craggy dagger
torn parrot
#

he shoudl have leaned into it

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if he was gonnnaa be silly

rustic mountain
#

idt it was to be silly

torn parrot
#

but he didnt even do anything with it tahts why im upset

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and he had the opportunity to

molten oasis
#

probably need another way to handle gambit/incin

rustic mountain
mighty stump
#

You’re kind of intending to lead MHerb into Defiant shit

rustic mountain
#

šŸ˜Ž

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also snarl dreigon seems bad

molten oasis
#

its for torkoal/psyspam

rustic mountain
#

r u jus not bringing it vs anything else

molten oasis
#

i havent played it quite yet

molten oasis
molten oasis
rustic mountain
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nah idk i was jus making some suggestions thats wat i see wen i look at the comp

molten oasis
#

fair enough

rustic mountain
#

redirection is strong

molten oasis
#

does band harc run rock head or still intim?

rustic mountain
#

i think its a good wheelhouse to be in

rustic mountain
molten oasis
#

its an option, also specs on a9 for sure?

rustic mountain
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idk for sure, its jus been a popular set for it, i think sash is serviceable

molten oasis
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i haven't tried specs that much tbf

rustic mountain
#

if u go whims then specs i think

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otherwise whims could do like covert cloak or something

molten oasis
#

hydrei was kinda put on since like, psyspam seems kinda rough

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good syngery with dengo, gives the team speed control

rustic mountain
#

i think snarls fine just the set overall feels weird at a glance to me

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maybe it works

molten oasis
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eeeehh, i mean, its just waht was sitting in my builder

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it worked at the time, i probably go more offensive tbh

mighty stump
#

I mean if you have a 6th slot open might as well just wack something stupid offensive in there

molten oasis
#

good point

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choice band garchomp jakesexo

mighty stump
#

ya why not

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wack something stupid and see if you can find a good interaction

molten oasis
#

sure

cyan smelt
#

Using a text to speech app to read back vgcguide seems to be helping me retain some information, I'm gonna have to practice on ladder

rustic mountain
cyan smelt
#

vikavolt is the superior bug/electric type

molten oasis
empty kettle
#

do any of u guys have a team for cute pokemons ? (sword and shield)

rustic mountain
molten oasis
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oh snarl spam is nice for uh, archapeli, kinda

rustic mountain
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tru

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depends, u boost stamina and are subject to body press

molten oasis
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dengo doesn't care

rustic mountain
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if u have other ways to deal the damage u need into arch then sure

molten oasis
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chomp/tauros/dengo/a9 sorta

rustic mountain
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yea

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chomp or tauros usually threaten tera or switching at the very least and then dengo and a9 usually can deal w/ w/e the tera is whether its fairy or grass

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if its solo arch (not on rain) those vary from electric to stellar tera

molten oasis
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i think im gonna play like 20, SPOILERS

rustic mountain
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spoilers PES2_Shhh

molten oasis
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20 games and then see what needs fixes

torn parrot
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its okay the anime spoiled it

rustic mountain
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?

torn parrot
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in like

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little garden

molten oasis
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no they didnt

rustic mountain
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bruh

torn parrot
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we all knew we was goin there

rustic mountain
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jus spoiler tag tho mariokekhandslike

torn parrot
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okay im sorrrryy

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😭

rustic mountain
spiral ridge
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we do a little ||||

rustic mountain
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||yea really interesting start tho, ofc we got some scrub underestimating the straw hats like bruh theres a reason ur leader pledged to luffy gtfo||

torn parrot
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i get to 1750 and every time i have an urge to try for 1800 i fall flat on my face

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but this iv learned my lesson

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toime to pack up and not play anymore

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and go watch the cw flash

torn parrot
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btw i looked at spidops and realized it's literally better than furret

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😭

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it has insomnia and taunt

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and upper hand

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and a signture move protect that lowers your speed

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and feint and shit

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and the godly speed control move string shot

molten oasis
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i hate fighting annihilape so fucking much

cyan smelt
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Is it usually with maus

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Also Maya, I give you ariados, it has a signature move that lowers speed AND poisons the target

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And it gets rage powder

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But no taunt or upper hand

cyan smelt
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Wait ariados gets insomnia too

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I might run ariados with sludge wave next to kingambit

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Wait ariados gets disable

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man i want to try ariados now

mighty stump
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erm actually

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Galvantula

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Cause your speed control never misses and does chip

knotty mirage
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I have question why is there suddenly so many people using yanma on ranked is it really that good ?

mighty stump
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CybertonVGC channel

knotty mirage
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Ah YouTubers team again i will check it out later then

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PokƩmon No. 596: Galvantula
Types

Bug/Electric

Abilities

Compound Eyes, Unnerve, Swarm (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

70/77/60/97/60/108

Total

472

molten oasis
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Ah, ic

copper verge
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Does anyone know of a team that uses Luxray?
Its my fave mon and I wanted to use it in a team but I hva eno clue where to start

torn parrot
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i might make this furret team a rental im ngl

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its not even a bad team

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just really basic

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i better fuckin be at the top of furret munchstats this month i did so many damn furret games i deserve it

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today's furret session was good

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i think ill end my furretventures here

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for real this time

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furret says fuck you

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furret the strongest one there is

cyan smelt
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i'm gonna reread vgcguide and write up some notes in my own words then play some more with my team

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oh yeah i need to order an official wired controller for perth

cyan smelt
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think i'm just gonna run magmar, rilla, gambit, pult, sneasler and prima

torn parrot
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it's a really good lineup

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if it works it works

cyan smelt
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i need to start practising bo3s

molten oasis
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I’m going to commit on dengo hydrei a9 for a while, it can work, ik it does

cyan smelt
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you might need some redirection too

torn parrot
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for shizzle

cyan smelt
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what do they mean when they say i need an official wired controller? as far as i can see nintendo doesn't manufacture wired controllers?

molten oasis
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I’m testing clefable Tauros and banded garchomp rn

cyan smelt
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nvm i can use my pro controller with a wired connection

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wait i'm confused because at tournaments it needs to be docked

molten oasis
molten oasis
timber falcon
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why am i seeing specs a9

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not even just one game its popping up frequently

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paired with garchomp and dnite

cyan smelt
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low elo shenanigans

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post some replays

molten oasis
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@timber falcon a9 chomp is an established combo in the meta game

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Dnite just happens to pair pretty well with garchomp

cyan smelt
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Hmm interesting

molten oasis
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Specs a9 is floating around as Paul Chua and a couple others popularized offensive a9 since we lack strong offensive ice types in a format where ice types are strong

cyan smelt
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I'll have to watch out for that

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Ig dnite is tera flying?

molten oasis
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Typically Tera flying with Lum berry and multiscale

cyan smelt
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And chomp is tera steel?

molten oasis
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Think so yea

cyan smelt
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Damn that sounds like a hard comp to beat

molten oasis
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The typical team comp is a9 chomp dnite gambit incin and amoonguss

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It’s strong, I suck with it and hate the dnite but it’s good

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Both chomp dnite and a9 chomp seem to be duos on their own as well

cyan smelt
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Tera flying ttar and tera flying dnite is a problem for me

timber falcon
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im also noticing a whole lot less use of tw. maily just 2 immediate offence mons

cyan smelt
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What about tr

solid frigate
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alright back to 1400

solid frigate
cyan smelt
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Nice torrent

solid frigate
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or what i will say

Psyspasm