competitive_discussion

[cyan smelt]

Kinda gimmicky isn't it

[real prairie]

i guess

[next stump]

can you screenshot it?

i’ve never had that error

[cyan smelt]

Sure one sec

Which version do you guys use?

[next stump]

does the name on that page match the name of the account you’re playing on?

[mighty stump]

Probably case sensitive/character sensitive

[cyan smelt]

maybe i need to check if i'm logged in

[chrome knot]

tofu

[mighty stump]

whats up

[chrome knot]

i hab the call

[mighty stump]

send

[chrome knot]

look pms

[real prairie]

it is case sensitive, i had this issue

[cyan smelt]

I think I need to try it on desktop

I figured it out, I need to upload replays

[zinc totem]

what is purpose of sash sneasler in SD bo3

[chrome knot]

so you have 2 turns of sneasler…?

[zinc totem]

sash sneasler is worst to do especially with unburden. you anyway have more than 1 turn with sneasler regardless. Ofc might something i dont see but if paired with rillaboom grassy seed is way better imo to get unburden instant. what if you dont get unburden off with sash what then? haha

[chrome knot]

im just gonna assume this is bait

and move on with my day

[zinc totem]

its not even bait, i actually dont see how sash is better than seed or even normal gem if using fakeout sneasler for unburden

[shadow wind]

Focus sash allows it to run without Rillaboom or Indeedee

And guaranteeing a live off a hit is great for a mon like Sneasler

[chrome knot]

get this: we use poison touch

[zinc totem]

that i understand then with poison touch. i just see people using it with unburden

thats the difference

[bold geode]

Poison Touch better

[solid frigate]

that i can agree on

cuz i am using Poison tocuh sneasler

[bold geode]

Also Sash Unburden is basically like rarely used rn and it's used by the people that haven't figured out it's shit yet

[solid frigate]

+Highly suspectable by Sucker Punch

and Priority Moves

and Two hit Moves

[tiny karma]

Move: Matcha Gotcha

Has a 20% chance to burn the target. The user recovers 1/2 the HP lost by the target, rounded half up. If Big Root is held by the user, the HP recovered is 1.3x normal, rounded half down. The target thaws out if it is frozen.

Type

Grass

Category

Special

Power

80

Accuracy

90

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Defrost

Thaws the user if frozen.

Heal

Cannot be selected under Heal Block.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[zinc totem]

its so weird see it with unburden thats why i was "wtf" and its good to know poison touch is now incrase in play

like fr

[chrome knot]

next turn its going first ig? idk

[rustic mountain]

sash unburden is a different level of bad

[knotty mirage]

I have question is it better to give sneasler unburden or poison touch ?

[bold geode]

Sash Poison Touch is a little more consistent funnily enough

Though depending on the team, a seed and Unburden can also work

[molten oasis]

Do you need the speed control? If so grassy/paychic seed stuff works

[knotty mirage]

I'm using it on psyspam trick room team actually

[molten oasis]

If not just go sash poison touch

[knotty mirage]

Just want to add some faster mon just in case

[foggy lodge]

Something like the psytailwind team?

[knotty mirage]

Maybe i don't really have tailwind setter but isn't it like better to at least have some fast option then fully relly on trick room

[foggy lodge]

Sneasler in trick room seems wack so yeah

[knotty mirage]

Well here the build that i can think off at least
Sneasler @ Pshycic seed
Ability: Unburden
Level: 50
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 252 attack / 252 Spe / 4 HP
Adamant Nature

• Dire Claw
• Close Combat
• Throat Chop
• Protect

Using dark tera so i will not get screwed when facing psyspam mirror

[zinc totem]

throat chop dark tera is acceptable

it also ruins blursas and any sound move which is funny to see when they try them

im starting lean more throat chop myself on sneasler over shadow claw unless i really need ghost tera to avoid fake outs

[molten oasis]

The said sneasler when it gets hit by earth power/blood moon be like

[foggy lodge]

i lean for coaching Sneasler lol

[dull ibex]

coaching sneasler sounds really funny

[foggy lodge]

it is

With Dondozo is pretty good

[molten oasis]

You’re one of those dozo players

[wet wedge]

DUDE I FEEL SO BAD

LOOOOOOOL

[torn parrot]

What

Ohh

Why did arceus the fattest fucker take 58

[torn parrot]

Ever since I learned I burden goes away after you swap Iv thought less of it

[spiral ridge]

What did you do wrong here 😭

[wet wedge]

252, Modest, Meteor Beam had been used

[torn parrot]

no from dynmax canon

[wet wedge]

Misclicked Dynamax Cannon into Arceus-Fairy, but it Tera'd out lol

[torn parrot]

guy is so bulky...

[wet wedge]

Meteor Beam prior, I was at +1

[torn parrot]

OHHHHHH

i see what you mean nows

[wet wedge]

Lol

[torn parrot]

i get it

[tiny karma]

Move: Dynamax Cannon

No additional effect.

Type

Dragon

Category

Special

Power

100

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

​

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[spiral ridge]

Oh they fucked themself lmao

I was thinking it was poison for a second

[torn parrot]

reazling how nice it is when 90% of your team is eved to give porygon an attack boost

uwu

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 977: Dondozo

Type

Water

Abilities

Unaware, Oblivious, Water Veil (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

150/100/115/65/65/35

Total

530

Sableye version 4.28.1

[chrome knot]

crazy that ursaluna does 40% to this guy when hes got tatsugiri

300/230 stat line

[foggy lodge]

I respect solo Dozo

I do not respect Dozogiri

At least in this reg

[molten oasis]

Oh yea that’s fine

I think solo dozo is fine

I think dozotatsu is cringe

[bold geode]

Solo Dozo kinda underwhelming

Like it's a decent Yawn bot, but just know you're really playing a slow game there

Sucks that idk if there's like a viable Sand Tomb mon

[rocky hull]

Yo i’m tryna build a trick room doubles team based off reuniclus what r some good mons to go with him

[solid frigate]

Hippowdon kinda sucks

[torn parrot]

the sheer amount of hazes makes me not wanan use it
but people nowhave ocuntermeasures

for the hazers

[bold geode]

I've decided I just am probably not gonna make too many more teams this format and will probably focus more on Reg G

Nothing against Reg H (except for maybe Sneasler) but I'm just like
There's too many toys and now I'm somehow bored when there's more toys to play with lmao

[torn parrot]

i love reg H and i genuinely think it is t he most creative and fun format

creativity is my favorite thing about pokemon so

thats why i like this format'

[bold geode]

Maya no offense but I know you hate legendaries lmao

Honestly I'd rather deal with Urshifu than Sneasler imma be honest

Hot take: there is more defensive counterplay to Urshifu than there is to Sneasler

[torn parrot]

legendaries limit my options because they're so damn scary

i hate legendaries

the world would be better off without

[foggy lodge]

Urshifu steals games breaking the rules of the game

Sneasler steals games being lucky

[torn parrot]

i hate unfair power creep

i celebrate when the power level goes down

[bold geode]

Here's the thing right
Actually what I said isn't exactly phrased right

[foggy lodge]

I prefer dealing with Urshifu because i can play to get into a spot where i don't lose due to not being able to protect

[bold geode]

Urshifu has more REASONABLE counterplay than Sneasler

Like you can switch, you can redirect, you can burn it, kill it
Sneasler if you switch in to a Dire Claw, you immediately gotta pray it don't put you to sleep

Covert Cloak is like the least out of the way thing to deal with Sneasler

[foggy lodge]

the best counterplay to Sneasler is Gholdengo/Covert Cloak/ Electabuzz because it can't be paralyzed/slept so its inmune to the best effects from Dire Claw

[bold geode]

Not to mention that once again need I remind you that this mfer has the same base attack as Urshifu anyways

[foggy lodge]

Faster than Urshifu btw

[torn parrot]

im ngl i would rather fight sneasler i think

[foggy lodge]

Fair but i wouldn't

[torn parrot]

urshifu is just
too unstoppable

[bold geode]

Also can I note that with enough attention and respect for the legendaries, you can still be creative lol

[solid frigate]

at least Urshifu kinda is needed for the metagame cuz Protect

and STALL

[bold geode]

I used Hitmontop in Reg G lol

[foggy lodge]

Legendary doesn't equals broken

[torn parrot]

its absolutely lessened

[foggy lodge]

Uxie Mesprit and Azelf are all dissapointing in every single aspect

[bold geode]

It's not that legendaries kill creativity
It's just a thing of "why use this when I have this"
We even see this with regular Pokemon
Look at Incineroar
You just gotta figure out "ok why AM I using this over this"

[solid frigate]

do i have to post that video again

[bold geode]

I mean sure creativity is greater rn, but it never went away

[foggy lodge]

Reg G also allowed silly mons to be good

[solid frigate]

https://youtu.be/8GZKSfHULvo?si=GSWeyvdnb-NJU0v7

this is prior to SWSH

but its still explains it

[torn parrot]

nothing truly goes away i know

but it cannot be denied that it goes down

and we see more wakcy teams than ever

in these low power level formats

[bold geode]

I never really denied that it goes down though tbf

Yeah and also then you have the EU region with the same shit

[foggy lodge]

ngl illusion of the free choice

[bold geode]

LMAO

[foggy lodge]

Still this reg has variety

[torn parrot]

thats just how competitive games be uit still goes down tho and thats what matters to me

[foggy lodge]

I think every format has variety, some more or less but i really don't feel it goes down or up

[torn parrot]

i fele like theres a lot of wiggle room

when power goes up

wiggle room goes down

[solid frigate]

i think whatever

is that new format,you gotta deal with it

[torn parrot]

bleh

well im gonan enjoy reg H fr as much as it lasts

[foggy lodge]

i think this format is ok but is silly

[bold geode]

Idk
I also hate when some folks say "everything's the same"
I just will now on if anyone ever says that, ping my bestie @craggy dagger

[foggy lodge]

So i'm treating it like that

[torn parrot]

cus after this reg I duno

this reg reinvigorated my love for competitive and after ill probably go dip again

[bold geode]

Oh this format goofy as hell

[foggy lodge]

is goofy in a good way i guess

As an spectator this is one of the best formats because is very original to see what is played

[solid frigate]

i don't think its the same its just like

You gotta have to deal with those threats

[foggy lodge]

but regs with higher power level are more "epic" to the spectator

Its really very subjective everything

[solid frigate]

it at least shows what is it revolve around making the spectate a lot more enjoyable

[torn parrot]

it is subjective

yes

[bold geode]

Idk
Give me back my boy Zamazenta and Rayquaza

[craggy dagger]

what?

[foggy lodge]

i want my Entei back

[solid frigate]

Give me my Iron Crown Back

It almost killed a Zamazenta-

[bold geode]

Oh nothing
You're just now my proof for if anyone says there's no creativity

I'll just show your Showdown teambuilder like SpongeBob showing the diapers

[solid frigate]

Monke MDB's Zama Spread kinda makes me can use Iron Crown to Kill it in 1 shot-

[bold geode]

What you have his spread?

Wait you mean the one I gave ya?

[solid frigate]

i think so

[bold geode]

You realize I took that spread from the Taiwan Nats winner and just slapped it on that shit right

[foggy lodge]

I think ill play Ogerpon teal mask

[molten oasis]

Man I love how bad this team now suddenly feels

[foggy lodge]

wujuu

[molten oasis]

Fucking hate annihilape

[bold geode]

I don't have MDB's spread

[molten oasis]

Hate it, so much

[bold geode]

Though I'd love to have it
I'd fuckin kill for that lmao

[molten oasis]

Onto the next team ig

[solid frigate]

Fuck-

252 SpA Expert Belt Quark Drive Tera Ground Iron Crown Tera Blast (80 BP) vs. 100 HP / 4 SpD Zamazenta-Crowned: 154-182 (85.5 - 101.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
But still

[bold geode]

Hehe monkey

[bold geode]

Guaranteed my ass lmao

[solid frigate]

its not guaranteed

[bold geode]

It says guaranteed lmao

[solid frigate]

i forgot to change the HP

[bold geode]

Oh
Stoopid

[solid frigate]

252 SpA Expert Belt Quark Drive Tera Ground Iron Crown Tera Blast (80 BP) vs. 100 HP / 4 SpD Zamazenta-Crowned: 154-182 (85.5 - 101.1%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO

I could change to Lorb

or

SpA+

[bold geode]

Brother
Do you have Iron Hands

[rustic mountain]

why am i lookin at zama calcs

[foggy lodge]

i also found the rental team from the Kyogre + Basculegion team from worlds and i want to play it lmao

[rustic mountain]

[solid frigate]

Yeah so technically i have 2 mons for Zama lol

[bold geode]

I wanna torture you that's why

[solid frigate]

[rustic mountain]

months away from reg g 2.0 wat is happening

[bold geode]

If you have Hands then why am I seeing "Iron Crown" in those calcs

[solid frigate]

i have Crown as well

[bold geode]

Fix that
He's dethroned

[foggy lodge]

the overprepparing

[bold geode]

Stfu bro I gotta prep this Cosmoem team and get it in top condition

[solid frigate]

i only have time to do shit like 1-2 hours

[bold geode]

Actually fuck

I still gotta do a Palkia team

Why did my Rayquaza team have to come from that poll

https://tenor.com/view/dj-khaled-suffering-from-success-this-so-cute-what-a-lovely-morning-oh-ma-gad-gif-11233135040670052230

@rustic mountain I'm doing Rayquaza again

[molten oasis]

Shut up

It’s not my fault it doesn’t fucking die

[solid frigate]

lol

[bold geode]

Mfer can't kill a ghost

You forgot to call the Ghostbusters man

[molten oasis]

You are the worst

[solid frigate]

"Dude just kill the Annihilape It's Easy,It's Already Dead."

-WolfeyVGC 2022

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-he-is-already-dead-stop-gif-5552043

[foggy lodge]

This circus case from Ace Attorney is shit

[bold geode]

Meanwhile Annihilape is getting hit like "hey bro mind your fuckin business, I'm powering up"

[foggy lodge]

Anyways i feel like my team is so good but im not the best player to pilot it

[solid frigate]

you could try practice how you pilot it and don't let bad habits took over

[solid frigate]

the thing is that I'm fine dealing with Ape

[foggy lodge]

https://pokepast.es/bdeab808ee0891e4

[solid frigate]

i like it

Nothing feels wrong,its just the piloting

[torn parrot]

I still fear inner focus dragonite more than multiscale

[craggy dagger]

proof,,,?

oh.
i’m supposed to be your soldier to fight people who say there’s no creativity

i see how it is

[spiral ridge]

Just show off your lovely creations and boom :3

Show em hzorua floatzel

[craggy dagger]

floatzel isn’t that niche

[torn parrot]

Floatzle was that reg A guy
He was that champ

[craggy dagger]

it’s just a fragile version of basculeigon

[molten oasis]

Monke is not a true friend

[torn parrot]

Floatzle outspeeding a lot of things when they’re in tailwind makes him really cool imo

[craggy dagger]

if u had a rain team with basc and replace basc with floatzel-
there’d be almost no difference

i picked out floatzel cause it was faster and i think had higher attack?

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 419: Floatzel

Type

Water

Abilities

Swift Swim, Water Veil (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

85/105/55/85/50/115

Total

495

Sableye version 4.28.1

Pokémon No. 902: Basculegion

Types

Water/Ghost

Abilities

Swift Swim, Adaptability, Mold Breaker (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

120/112/65/80/75/78

Total

530

Other Formes

Basculegion-F

Sableye version 4.28.1

[craggy dagger]

nope lower attack but higher speed

[molten oasis]

Anyway I have lost motive to play the team I have been playing, just feels weak to special tanks and tbh I don’t wanna go try to fix it

[spiral ridge]

This reg it is more niche
And pairing it with hzorua

[craggy dagger]

what is niche is this

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokémon-chainsaw-bruxish-team-rocket-gif-12695848432645923121

abomination

[molten oasis]

[spiral ridge]

Also quite true

[molten oasis]

Once upon a time a9 was niche

[spiral ridge]

And what the fuck is team rocket doing in that

[zinc totem]

anyone got decent milotic set ?

[molten oasis]

And now you can only play it with garchomp

Don’t use it yw

[craggy dagger]

you want coilnosis or smth else

[torn parrot]

Guy is definitely annoying next to a garchomp

[zinc totem]

collnosis duh

[molten oasis]

[craggy dagger]

i play it with glaceon

[zinc totem]

ofc haze one would be also okay

[spiral ridge]

Another good example

[molten oasis]

Idk what to play anymore lol

[craggy dagger]

tera electric specs glaceon

[torn parrot]

Pick a random strat I guess

[spiral ridge]

What

[craggy dagger]

grab 2 pokemon you really like
(doesn’t have to be meta relevant) and try something with them

[molten oasis]

I wish I could, but I wanna pick smth to build around

[zinc totem]

@craggy dagger i am atm making abit funny eeveelution support mon myself

[craggy dagger]

with your skills i’m sure you’re able to cook up some stuff

[molten oasis]

What skill

[craggy dagger]

glaceon has always been my baby
cherish it

[molten oasis]

I’m kidding, I might try other stuff with dengo Bloodmoon but ehh

[craggy dagger]

snow cloak tera electric blast for stuff but i might change that to fighting-

[zinc totem]

anyhow im still waiting the milotic set

[craggy dagger]

tera electric was for boltbeam coverage-
i tend to…
make boltbeam centric teams huh,,,,

[spiral ridge]

Yeah ya do

😭

[craggy dagger]

what can i say

[bold geode]

You are my soldier
GET EM BESTIE

RAAAAHHHHHH

[craggy dagger]

it’s the perfect offensive coverage

[spiral ridge]

Worst part is
You’ve talked about it so much but I forget what bolt beam stands for 😭

[craggy dagger]

there’s not one type that resists boltbeam coverage

[spiral ridge]

I just listened and never asked again lmao

[craggy dagger]

thunderbolt ice beam
basically electric ice offensive coverage

[spiral ridge]

Ohhh okay

Cover each others resisted types I’ve done that a bit

[zinc totem]

anyone got milotic set? (haze or collnosis)

[molten oasis]

Haze

Coilnosis is cringe

[zinc totem]

again im asking milotic set

if anyone got either one

but ig i go 252 hp 252 def and 4 SpD

[chrome knot]

@craggy dagger

[craggy dagger]

what

oh-
you want me to whip up a really rough milotic spread

[torn parrot]

do you like any mons for emotional reasons

[craggy dagger]

ok gimme a minute
(you’ll have to fine tune it yourself but yk)

[zinc totem]

Milotic @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Competitive
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature

• Muddy Water
• Ice Beam
• Protect
• Haze

was almost thinking i need go something like this

[craggy dagger]

Milotic @ Leftovers
Ability: Competitive
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 116 Def / 36 SpA / 36 SpD / 68 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Coil
• Hypnosis
• Muddy Water
• Draining Kiss

it’s a really rough EV spread using baseline so you might have to adjust as you go

[zinc totem]

yeah i have other leftovers user in team

[craggy dagger]

ah

[zinc totem]

so i probs go sitrus berry

[craggy dagger]

berry works yeah

your purpose is to just last on the field as long as possible

[zinc totem]

yeah i know

[torn parrot]

seeing horsepower rilla come back cus of sneasloo

[molten oasis]

Uh

[torn parrot]

like hydrapple right youve been on that train

i dunno if you have same fun in finding niches as i do tho

[molten oasis]

Dengo, Hydrapple, a9, uhh

Primarina

Harc

That’s it I think off the top of my head

[solid frigate]

does Zacian count

wait thats reg G

[mighty stump]

You’re definitely gonna hafta read my next blogpost

[molten oasis]

Dork lmfao

[solid frigate]

lol

[mighty stump]

https://x.com/45mice/status/1844184263383748928?s=46&t=NSIK9f9OViHUJnm37QZcEQ

@chrome knot what did I say

45mice (@45mice) on X

Likely bringing a more standardish team with a twist to Louisville. Had several bigger picture ideas that I just couldn’t quite solve in time.

Anyway, think Weezing-g with misty terrain has pretty insane potential. Shuts down p2/luna/gus and very strong vs pult sneasler.

Twitter · Oct 10, 2024, 1:12 AM

[chrome knot]

but it doesnt

i keep gigglin at misty terrain teams its cute but like

you are chronically weak to gholdengo & ursaluna

[solid frigate]

but its funni

[chrome knot]

haiii soewie i was caught up with work

i here now, how are you bean ^-^

[mighty stump]

maybe its just me I havent had an issue yet

[craggy dagger]

i’m okay :0

[calm gulch]

🫵🚬

[molten oasis]

I’m off work time to, try to find smth, again

Idt Prima harc dengo hydra a9 is a good team lmfao

[bold geode]

Pass it fam

[foggy lodge]

Are you using Harc because you like it or because it fills a niche in your team?

[molten oasis]

I never said I was gonna make that a team

Those are mons I stated I like

[foggy lodge]

ah okay

[rustic mountain]

https://i.imgflip.com/967nx8.jpg

[mighty stump]

Based

[molten oasis]

I think incin amoonguss is fine

I also think it’s not something fun to play

[spiral ridge]

Funny swap in out shenanigans

[chrome knot]

me

[dull ibex]

you have nso expansion pak right?

[mighty stump]

ALARMO

I’m in Asia

[dull ibex]

https://x.com/NintendoAmerica/status/1844135977327145001

Nintendo of America (@NintendoAmerica) on X

We will be performing a test related to a new feature for #NintendoSwitchOnline on #NintendoSwitch. Starting 8:00 AM PT on Oct. 10, existing Nintendo Switch Online + Expansion Pack members will be able to apply to participate on a first-come, first-serve basis.

Learn more:

Twitter · Oct 9, 2024, 10:00 PM

im gonna sign up

[dull ibex]

see above

[molten oasis]

wut dis

[dull ibex]

we don't know yet

[molten oasis]

ic

[craggy dagger]

playtest program,,,?

[chrome knot]

novaa novaaaaa

[dull ibex]

they are going to be play testing a new feature for switch online

we don't know what the feature is yet

[craggy dagger]

hi

[torn parrot]

i consistently

consistently see one single dozo set

tera steel heavy slam

covert cloak

alwyas covert cloak every time

its never any other item alway scovert cloak

because they know thats how they haze you

[chrome knot]

haaaaiiii

[cyan smelt]

But covert cloak doesn't prevent haze

[shadow wind]

Clear smog is prevented though

[chrome knot]

but tera steel blocks it

[shadow wind]

This is true

No clue then

[spiral ridge]

I smell sacred sword time

[shadow wind]

Does mold breaker stop unaware?

[cyan smelt]

Tera steel only blocks clear smog

[bold geode]

Covert Cloak is probably so they don't have to Protect in front of Fake Out pressure

[rustic mountain]

finally got a chance to get some games on cart this month 5-1 to masterball

had some guy get my arch to +5 this last game ik they were fuming

[molten oasis]

+5 what

[chrome knot]

+5 speed

[rustic mountain]

by " had some guy get my arch to +5" i figured it implied they fed me stamina boosts

but yea +5 def

[molten oasis]

well what if they let you get 5 eshots off

[rustic mountain]

i was + 3 sp atk too but the def boosts were way more relevant

[molten oasis]

i was just clarifying cuz it could imply both lol

you shouldn't let arch get +5 anything

[rustic mountain]

i wouldve said let my arch get to +5 not get if it was the sp atk boost but sure

[molten oasis]

[chrome knot]

+5 Evasion..

[molten oasis]

guess im dumb

[rustic mountain]

they were desperate their last attempt was their swapped out power herb arch to draco mine at a little over half, it didnt ko and that was game

[molten oasis]

oof

[rustic mountain]

yea their team was weird, all 3 broken steels

[dull ibex]

My cat took my bed 😭

[molten oasis]

CLEARLY its the sauce

i LOVE being weak to ground

[rustic mountain]

lmao

i mean lucky for them i had no ground types but yea i think u can justify 2 depending on team comp but 3 is too much

[molten oasis]

i've mostly seen gambit/archa

dengo seems to be on its own pretty often

[rustic mountain]

yea on the good teams

great ball 8 to ultra is weird lol

i faced quite a few interesting teams

grumpig was on one

altaria w/ dragon dance , armarouge on talonflame tailwind

triple steel

[molten oasis]

lmfao

i haven't settled on a ingame team

the blursa stuff fell through a hole today and now it feels kinda ass

[rustic mountain]

yea this was jus one ive been on and off for about a month i like the team, jus arch rain +incin shroom and clefable

[molten oasis]

annihilape has been, extremely annoying

next to amoonguss

[rustic mountain]

it was on like 4/6 teams i faced

bunch of different comps

mostly scarf

[molten oasis]

yea, i kinda hate it lol

[rustic mountain]

the team i lost to had ape and i messed up the end game cuz i thought my basc outsped their ape in rain (it didnt)

[molten oasis]

oof

[rustic mountain]

granted im not max speed and adamant it slipped my mind haha i wouldve played it different and had it won

happens

[molten oasis]

yea

im lost mon wise

like i like dengo but idk which direction i wanna take it rn

[rustic mountain]

its pretty versatile which u know so id say jus pick one and commit to it

u dont really like ho so prolly not that

[molten oasis]

nah lmao

[rustic mountain]

so either raid boss dengo or some balance team that has a dengo mode

[molten oasis]

i like raid boss dengo tbh

like getting dengo +2 feels like gg's for a lot of teams

[rustic mountain]

yea it can be devastating and it chunks resists too

[molten oasis]

uhhhh, hm

[rustic mountain]

if ur goin that mode u already know wat im gna say

[molten oasis]

i also very briefly though about trying cm prima again

but ik its not good so i havent bothered

[rustic mountain]

yea idt cm prim is it

but ive been wrong before especially for a few things this format

[molten oasis]

incin amoonguss?

[rustic mountain]

[molten oasis]

lmaoo

[rustic mountain]

[molten oasis]

i dont hate it

i like what it does, i still get bored of it

but tbf the entire team cant be fun things

its that or trying to get chomp a9 to work elsewhere, which, idk

just a9 has to work somewhere

a9 blursa dengo

[bold geode]

Simple Beam?

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/65e31f152a2ce267

[cyan smelt]

is showdown down

nvm

[rustic mountain]

idk they didnt bring it vs me

[cyan smelt]

i've just realised my team has no real answer to galarian weezing

[solid frigate]

kingambit:ello

[cyan smelt]

yeah but it's next to chomp

[solid frigate]

Is is Band Chomp?

Cuz it should not be that hard to not spam Earthquake

[cyan smelt]

i think the set is lorb

[solid frigate]

then you dont really have to Spam Earthquake to win

Stomping Tantrum works fine

[cyan smelt]

i mean i lost to geezing next to chomp

i should've brought gambit and rilla

[solid frigate]

I will check if Lorb Stomping Tantrum kills Gambit in 1 shot

[cyan smelt]

i did the calcs it's 2hko

so i can sd then sucker

[solid frigate]

it should be safer at least

just remember

You also have Tera so make it count on everything you have

[cyan smelt]

but then i die to dgleam

[solid frigate]

wait are you using Sneasler Pult

[cyan smelt]

yes

[solid frigate]

and do you use High Horsepower Rilla?

[cyan smelt]

no but i should

[solid frigate]

Its worth it dont worry

[cyan smelt]

would also help against gholdengo

[solid frigate]

exactly

and Dengo is already bad against Gambit so you should be fine

[cyan smelt]

gambit is so good

plus hhp helps against gambit too

[cyan smelt]

parsrs is so useful

[mighty stump]

erm actually ur wrong judt cuz I said so 🤓

[cyan smelt]

rude

[mighty stump]

no u

gotten

[cyan smelt]

Lol nice

[real prairie]

Scarf offensive pelliper is not something ive considered but kind of like the look of

[mighty stump]

Me in my first season of comp ever be like:

I had U-Turn Tailwind STAB Pelipper

[solid frigate]

Uturn moment

[cyan smelt]

U turn can be fun

[real prairie]

?

[dull ibex]

👀

[dull ibex]

Toxic tofu

[cyan smelt]

holy shit this team is lit, up to 1410 with 72.1% gxe

[real prairie]

do share

[cyan smelt]

https://pokepast.es/c6d497c2ca26754a

standard sneasler pult

[real prairie]

🤣

yeah, the "Meta" atm

[cyan smelt]

i don't really bring em together though

usually it's magmar pult

or magmar gambit

[solid frigate]

i bring Sneasler Prim sometimes

[cyan smelt]

I'm using parsrs to inform how I lead and it helps a lot

[solid frigate]

Fair

i just look from how does my team fair against them

[cyan smelt]

But if I see geezing I'm not gonna bring dragapult

[real prairie]

Just installed these 3 chrome extensions, anyone have any experience of them before?

[mighty stump]

Showdex is ok

2nd one should be stuff you know/stuff SD aready tells you

3rd is for randbats lol, which Showdex does

[dull ibex]

vc?

[real prairie]

fair, thanks

[gentle crag]

oneofakindof has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[bold geode]

I'm so tired lol

Also nice pfp

[dull ibex]

sleep then mfer

[mighty stump]

Thanks, matching with my friends for Halloween

[dull ibex]

oh pog

[bold geode]

I did
I just went to bed late AF lol

[dull ibex]

fair me too

my cat wanted my bed so i had to wait for him to get his fat ass up

[bold geode]

This guy

[spiral ridge]

Awe it’s adorable

[surreal echo]

Thoughts on Brambleghast? I feel like it has some sauce

[real prairie]

It has an interesting Niche, not sure how credible it is

[torn parrot]

Pretty strong

But also frail

[real prairie]

hurtful

[dull ibex]

?

[torn parrot]

I think there are limits to my adhd riddled brain

Okay I swear to god

I have not fought a dozo that wasn’t Tera steel heavy slam in ages

This is standard dozo now

[real prairie]

its one of the sets

[torn parrot]

No

This is the only dondozo o have fought

this is more than one of

Covert cloak too!!

sometimes oblivious

This is cts tho

But this is how Dondozos survive high elo

They have adapted
They’re…learning

Not even primarina will save you now

+2 252+ Atk Tera Steel Dondozo Heavy Slam (120 BP) vs. 252 HP / 108 Def Primarina: 210-247 (112.2 - 132%) -- guaranteed OHKO

I mean if your not prepared for it anyways

If you literally just run oblivious covert cloak max speed dondozo

[surreal echo]

Sorry, Discord was lagging

[torn parrot]

Suddenly you just become a killing machine

You know Dondozo is the fattest man alive

I think I’m obsessing over this

https://tenor.com/view/anime-think-anime-girl-gif-25477832

[real prairie]

I absolutely loved when i was using Malamar and hitting Dozo with a topsy-turvy but Malamar isn't good enough to run consistently

[torn parrot]

there was a malamar team in the 1700s that i fought

[real prairie]

oh its absolutely usable, but its a carry. rest of the team does a lot of the heavy lifting

or at least in my experience using it

[torn parrot]

no like

at a certain point I made a slip up and it wasnt killable anymore

its not good into primarina ill say that

[real prairie]

you have a physcial strong team?

[torn parrot]

i accidently let rina die cus of a miscclick

[real prairie]

Superpowder maxing out its Def makes it a nightmare to Phys attackers

[torn parrot]

i actually think malamar is actually not even bad

[real prairie]

its not, its just not top tier

B maybe C tier pick

[tiny peak]

Need help building my hisuian arcanine tail wind team for vgc, I have a rough draft of harcanine/murkrow/garchomp/alolan ninetales/amoongus/gholdengo, any swaps I should make? I'm a little worried I lose to trick room

[craggy dagger]

you have amoongus for
trick room so you should be okay

[tiny peak]

Ok, yeah I forgot he has slow speed, any swaps I should make though? I feel like ninetales might be bad since it buffs ice types with snow warning

Maybe murkrow for whimsicott?

[mighty stump]

C tier is generous

[bold geode]

C tier for Malamar? Blud smokin that delusion pack

[craggy dagger]

malamar’s got potential though

it’s 4x weakness is rare to come by

[bold geode]

Nuh Uh (hai Nova)

[solid frigate]

if u-turn is not a bug move then yes-

[craggy dagger]

i don’t see u turn that often?

[solid frigate]

idk

[craggy dagger]

i think the only mon to consistently run u turn is rilla

[solid frigate]

did i fucking saw a Choice Scarf Tyranitar-

[craggy dagger]

that’s a thing yes

[chrome knot]

me omw to click uturn on pult and it explodes

[craggy dagger]

i’ve seen more tera blast phantom force darts outrage

than u turn on pult

[solid frigate]

i used U-Turn pult and its quite common when i fight Pults

[craggy dagger]

also what’s u turn gonna do to a +2 superpower boosted malamar
(prolly a lot but eh)

i think C tier is good place for malamar-

B tier is being wayyy to generous

[solid frigate]

C+ at best

[chrome knot]

im sorry but are you stupid :3

pult is either
Outrage DDarts Phantom Force Uturn
DDarts Ghost Blast Phantom Force Uturn

[craggy dagger]

tell me something new

[bold geode]

You are not telling me they're running Tera Dragon Blast

[craggy dagger]

no ghost blast

or steel blast in my case

[bold geode]

They always SHOULD run U Turn

Tera Blast over Outrage

[craggy dagger]

who needs pivots if you can sweep them clean

[bold geode]

Miraidon be like

:3

[craggy dagger]

yeah but mirai faces rilla so it’s a terrain battle

i don’t see no ice rider swapping mid battle

[bold geode]

And Pult faces it's own frailness

[craggy dagger]

nothing a little follow me can’t deal with

[tiny karma]

Calyrex-Ice's moveset:

Physical Moves

Assurance, Avalanche, Body Press, Body Slam, Bulldoze, Bullet Seed, Close Combat, Crunch, Double Kick, Double-Edge, Facade, Giga Impact, Glacial Lance, Heavy Slam, High Horsepower, Icicle Crash, Icicle Spear, Lash Out, Megahorn, Outrage, Pay Day, Payback, Pound, Seed Bomb, Smart Strike, Solar Blade, Stomp, Stomping Tantrum, Superpower, Tackle, Take Down, Thrash, Throat Chop, Trailblaze, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Blizzard, Confusion, Draining Kiss, Energy Ball, Expanding Force, Future Sight, Giga Drain, Grass Knot, Hyper Beam, Ice Beam, Icy Wind, Leaf Storm, Magical Leaf, Mega Drain, Mud Shot, Pollen Puff, Psybeam, Psychic, Psyshock, Round, Snarl, Snore, Solar Beam, Stored Power, Swift, Tera Blast, Tri Attack, Uproar

Status Moves

Agility, Ally Switch, Aromatherapy, Baton Pass, Calm Mind, Curse, Encore, Endure, Grassy Terrain, Gravity, Growth, Guard Swap, Hail, Heal Pulse, Helping Hand, Imprison, Iron Defense, Leech Seed, Life Dew, Light Screen, Magic Room, Metronome, Mist, Power Swap, Protect, Psych Up, Psychic Terrain, Reflect, Rest, Roar, Safeguard, Scary Face, Skill Swap, Sleep Talk, Snowscape, Speed Swap, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swords Dance, Tail Whip, Taunt, Torment, Trick, Trick Room, Wonder Room

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Calyrex-Ice.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[bold geode]

Baton Pass Ice Rider when

[craggy dagger]

Monke-
there’s a reason why baton pass is banned in vgc

[solid frigate]

why the fuck Miraidon Run Uturn in Smogon is just Baffles me

[bold geode]

No it ain't

[craggy dagger]

it is for restricted

[bold geode]

Where in the rules does it say that

[craggy dagger]

else you could just-
tail glow baton pass

[foggy lodge]

Calyrex Shadow learns baton pass

[solid frigate]

i don't think it is banned

[bold geode]

I saw Indeedee run Baton Pass

[solid frigate]

i saw someone run Baton Pass before as well

[foggy lodge]

indeedee-F with baton pass won a VR tour

[craggy dagger]

might be banned on specific mons then ig?

[bold geode]

Also Tail Glow isn't on anything legal lmao

[foggy lodge]

with CalyDow xd

[craggy dagger]

[craggy dagger]

tf you mean

[foggy lodge]

Volbeat but is Volbeat

[craggy dagger]

you do know who tailglow belongs to right

[bold geode]

Manaphy and Phione

[craggy dagger]

it’s not manaphy

[bold geode]

Who is it then

[craggy dagger]

it’s not their signature move

[spiral ridge]

[craggy dagger]

Volbeat

[tiny karma]

Volbeat's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Aerial Ace, Body Slam, Brick Break, Bug Bite, Counter, Dizzy Punch, Double-Edge, Dynamic Punch, Endeavor, Facade, Fling, Focus Punch, Frustration, Ice Punch, Lunge, Mega Kick, Mega Punch, Natural Gift, Play Rough, Pounce, Power-Up Punch, Quick Attack, Return, Secret Power, Seismic Toss, Skitter Smack, Tackle, Take Down, Thief, Thunder Punch, Trailblaze, U-turn, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Air Cutter, Air Slash, Bug Buzz, Charge Beam, Chilling Water, Dazzling Gleam, Giga Drain, Hidden Power, Infestation, Mud-Slap, Ominous Wind, Round, Shadow Ball, Shock Wave, Signal Beam, Silver Wind, Snore, Solar Beam, Struggle Bug, Swift, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunderbolt, Water Pulse

Status Moves

Attract, Baton Pass, Captivate, Confide, Confuse Ray, Defog, Double Team, Encore, Endure, Flash, Helping Hand, Light Screen, Metronome, Mimic, Moonlight, Protect, Psych Up, Rain Dance, Rest, Roost, Sleep Talk, String Shot, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Tail Glow, Tailwind, Taunt, Thunder Wave, Toxic, Trick

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Volbeat.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[craggy dagger]

it’s a fucking firefly

[bold geode]

Who tf using Volbeat in restricted

[craggy dagger]

it’s a male firefly

[tiny karma]

Move: Tail Glow

Raises the user's Special Attack by 3 stages.

Type

Bug

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

20 (32)

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Snatch

Affected by Snatch.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[spiral ridge]

Jesus

[bold geode]

Volbeat be bussing it down

[spiral ridge]

+3 silly

[solid frigate]

idk why the fuck the sea child got tail glow

[solid frigate]

Whimsicott with Cotton Guard

[spiral ridge]

Sash tailglow baton pass

[craggy dagger]

cause it has bulbs

[spiral ridge]

Yeah cotton guard lmao

[bold geode]

Volbeat when using Tail Glow be like

[craggy dagger]

prankster too

[spiral ridge]

OH IT GOT PRANKSTER??

[craggy dagger]

prankster sash-
whatcha gonna do about that

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-twerk-thanos-cheek-clap-thanos-twerking-thanos-thanos-gauntlet-gif-19830844

[spiral ridge]

[craggy dagger]

[spiral ridge]

So nova

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 313: Volbeat

Type

Bug

Abilities

Illuminate, Swarm, Prankster (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

65/73/75/47/85/85

Total

430

Sableye version 4.28.1

[spiral ridge]

I’m assuming you’ve already made a team with this to show?

[foggy lodge]

Its the only reason why someone would use Volbeat,,,

[craggy dagger]

that’s a very nice +3

[foggy lodge]

Wrong message mb

[craggy dagger]

to my booster speed flutter mane

[solid frigate]

would be a shame if it has Baton pass lol

[craggy dagger]

it gets it though

[spiral ridge]

Yup

[tiny karma]

[Latest Gen] Volbeat

Baton Pass:

• As Volbeat from a TM, HM or TR

Sableye version 4.28.1

[spiral ridge]

+3 spa on csr immediately

[craggy dagger]

i’ll be taking that +3 booster speed flutter thank you very much

[bold geode]

Anyways Nova I almost won a tour last night

[spiral ridge]

Honestly prankster baton is a little bad cus that means they can hit it soon as it swaps in right?

[craggy dagger]

or even a +3 specs miraidon

[solid frigate]

Oh GOD NO

[bold geode]

Guys lemme tell ya

[craggy dagger]

fair but they’ll use a prio move like aqua jet or smth to chip it-

[solid frigate]

IF I SEE THAT I'M GONNA CRy

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/delphox-flame-pokemon-gif-15189676

[craggy dagger]

no need to waste a full move on it

[bold geode]

This fox is valid

[craggy dagger]

why aren’t you crying already then /j

[spiral ridge]

If they know the Strat they may full move into it

[solid frigate]

[spiral ridge]

Nova getting ready to make 50 tail glow baton teams all just with a different special attacker to swap to

[craggy dagger]

ehhh

volbeat kinda sucks though-
it’s too slow

[bold geode]

Delphox is fucking stupid lmao

[craggy dagger]

but

[spiral ridge]

If this is its sole prankster no?

Or are you saying other prio moves will kill it first

[craggy dagger]

prankster also has speed tiers

[spiral ridge]

Yeah okay I get what you’re saying then

[craggy dagger]

faster pokemon gets to prankster first

[spiral ridge]

Taunt whimsi

[craggy dagger]

encore whimsicott

[spiral ridge]

I know

[craggy dagger]

but also

dancer oricorio with throat spray baton pass + clangorus soul kommo o

[spiral ridge]

Me with the shittiest 50/50 whimsi vs whimsi luck

[solid frigate]

Oh god damn it

[craggy dagger]

T1 protect + clang soul,
T2 baton pass boomburst

[craggy dagger]

i’ve done this in reg F

[spiral ridge]

How well did it work?

[solid frigate]

thats why i said oh god damn it

[craggy dagger]

well,,,,
a +3 +2 speed chi yu does wonders

[solid frigate]

Nova Teams Jumpscare

[craggy dagger]

but also sitrus on the kommo o so i can use it again if i want

[solid frigate]

shi-

[craggy dagger]

i also had sinistcha for more healing

[spiral ridge]

Yeah no that sounds just a little strong

God fish team

[craggy dagger]

+2 sini so i can click boom burst kommo-o and matcha gotcha

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/wahoo-fish-fish-spin-realfishguy-gif-7133228637650880735

[spiral ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/fish-i-talk-to-i-talk-to-fish-gif-17126755708598847398

[craggy dagger]

i think i should go into hiding now-

[spiral ridge]

Wha

[solid frigate]

adios

[real prairie]

its a physical bug move though, Malamar def raises quickly with superpower.

Sash Tail glow Baton pass Volbeat almost guarantees a +3 special attack to passing mon LOL

that into BM Ursa would be very funny

[torn parrot]

i played some bee and got the horrible taste of sneasler standard out of my mouth

now i can finally start having fun again

By the way

there are some pokemon you should just give up on 😔

Unless you find them extremely cute and want an excuse to shiny hunt them

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/confusion-confused-look-questions-why-why-me-gif-17660966

[chrome knot]

the worst

[craggy dagger]

good

[chrome knot]

i want cute art commissioned but my team isn’t cool enough

its jus scrunglies and incineroar

[torn parrot]

There’s an annoying ass team going around that I hate that one guy is running

It’s garchomp alolan ninetales milotic indeedee sneasler

And some other guy

And tho combo just works

Just works

[pallid hare]

https://tenor.com/view/it-just-works-gif-13181297

[solid frigate]

do you realise how slow Malmar is-

just Pult U-Turn it

i saw supreme overlord Gambit

[molten oasis]

ah, I’m not touching that

Is it male Deedee?

I’m not gonna use that but ik a friend who was experimenting with sneasler Deedee a9 chomp

[real prairie]

Reg H in a nutshell

[molten oasis]

And I can’t make a9 work by itself wtf

[chrome knot]

a9 literally got top 2 at a regional

yanma also has compound eyes hypnosis lol

[molten oasis]

Im not talking about that comp of 6 im WELL aware where its placed

[chrome knot]

but that is proof of a9 working

[molten oasis]

Ok I can’t get it to work outside of that 6, my bad should have phrased my words better

[chrome knot]

ok so break it down

why does a9 work on that team asw as paul chuas baltimore team

what does it provide for the team, when can it be used, and how can i apply this in my own building to create something successful

[molten oasis]

hm

guess I never did that

Ik chomp a9 works really well due to ground and ice coverage being really hard to deal with, the duo is also pretty decent into sneasler pult

[chrome knot]

how does a9 beat sneasler pult?

[molten oasis]

Blizzard

Uhh, I’m thinking, I haven’t done this in a while

Ig it’s more a9 that’s decent into it since blizzard chunks both pult and sneasler, and you can take a hit from sneasler’s dire claw

Which opens up something with priority to clean up, like the gambit or dnite

Which gets around the need for speed control

Ninetales helps with the rain mu with weather control and freeze dry for the pelipper

Chomp helps a9 deal with steel and fire types which it can’t hit otherwise

Uhhhh

Incin amoonguss is a good defensive backbone, redirection keeps the team safe, kinda lets a9 click blizzard more freely

Fake out also helps prevent a loss in momentum, and intim/parting shot helps with bulk

[real prairie]

A9 also covers for water types that could be damaging

[molten oasis]

Losing a party member, is what I meant by that

[chrome knot]

fake out uturn to rilla now you have low power eq & ur down a turn

[molten oasis]

Oh right a9 covers for rilla switchins

[chrome knot]

well no ur fake out so u dont move this turn and they retain fake out pressure and dire claw + a glide might kill next turn

[molten oasis]

Oh, uhhh

Into sneasler rilla, incin puts fo pressure on the board and intimidate, but, damn this is fucking hard

Maybe I suck at breaking down teams lol

[chrome knot]

i dont think leading a9 is good here but i do think shes good clean up or an okay consideration to bring

she wants to find an end game that makes pult useless

hates magmar tho so i think chomp is good bring, i helped my friend with sneas pult mu so i have the answer its jus dragonite/incin + amoonguss/kingambit back x)

[molten oasis]

Ah, yea good point

[chrome knot]

chomp & a9 felt lacklustre in this mu and using dragonite as offensive powerhouse and gambit late game sweeper was good

[molten oasis]

A9 makes pult useless so once sneaslers off the field a9 can clean up

Or, forces pforce

[chrome knot]

magmar

[molten oasis]

And magmar, which you remove with garchomp

[chrome knot]

does a shocking amount

magmar eats 2-3 eqs

[molten oasis]

ahh, that’s, that’s annoying

[chrome knot]

and by that point its too little too late

[molten oasis]

Hm, the team doesn’t run taunt

Ig dnite/chomp is the magmar line? Idk

Chomp would have taken too much damage once magmar goes down

They run vital spirit I think so sporing is kinda not an option

[chrome knot]

dnite incin

dnite takes 4 darts, incin takes 3

the best lead for them is pult magmar, in which you can fake out/knock off magmar & tera flying blast pult

if follow me into knock off & tera blast you put magmar into espeed range, if fake out/tera blast pult you hit pult for close to 90%

amoonguss redirects & spores late game & gambit cleans up leftover pult & 1v1s opposing setup gambit as your team uses AV kick gambit

[molten oasis]

That makes sense

I still don’t get what makes the a9 to work on the team, beyond the synergy with garchomp

wtf did I say lmaoo

I feel like the appeal of a9 is the ice coverage since that seems strong, freeze dry and weather control for rain

Especially in a more dragon heavy format

[chrome knot]

so a9 hits the pesky fuckass dragons but it also does good damage to water types u can catch out of position asw as rilla, her life has to play cautiously bc shes kinda frail, her goal is to get in, spread a fuckton of neutral damage and get out

ive been heavily testing a9 with vivillon & other balance cores and she just does so much damage

i was a fan of choice specs on either
Tera Ice
Blizzard
Freeze Dry
Moonblast
Ice Beam/Weather Ball
OR
@ Tera Fire
Blizzard
Freeze Dry
Moonblast
Fire Tera Blast

[molten oasis]

So, it’s used to come in do some damage and fall back?

Or die, ig

Utilized as a frail sweeper ig would be better

https://pokepast.es/970410d67af60992 I still think dengo a9 can work it’s the thing with getting it speed control ive always struggled with

Was also curious to try av blursa again, it worked well with dengo before on another team I tried

[solid frigate]

Still Offensive A9?

[molten oasis]

That’s the way to go tbh

[solid frigate]

eh but then again Offensive A9 works

just slap a TR for BM and Tailwind setter

Pelipper and Murkrow Are out of the Question

[molten oasis]

Tailroom sounds clunky

https://pokepast.es/b60b29c5b9b0bdae thoughts?

[solid frigate]

yep Looks good

[chrome knot]

what if: whims ursa ghold av ape core

[solid frigate]

AV Ape is genuinely a nice idea

[molten oasis]

Av ape?

Av ape is a thing?

[spiral ridge]

I remember seeing it in some regionals pretty sure

[solid frigate]

its a legit set

but barely used

[molten oasis]

Anyone got a set I can use?

And does the whimsi carry beat up in this situation or no

[solid frigate]

lemme see if i have one

[molten oasis]

Incin is already proving fucking annoying so I’m willing to try stuff

[solid frigate]

Annihilape @ Assault Vest
Ability: Defiant
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass/Fire
EVs: 156 HP / 76 Atk / 68 Def / 132 SpD / 76 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Rage Fist
• Close Combat
• Drain Punch
• Throat Chop

EVs can be changed,but you can try it

[molten oasis]

Alr

[graceful pelican]

what are the good trick room sets people are running atm? ive built a team there on monday but some times i find im lacking in coverage

and i dont necessarily want super meta picks

but im kinda sure i want to run a trick room team.

[foggy lodge]

P2 Ursa

[graceful pelican]

yeah im kinda sick of play ursa, and im kinda trying to force golduck to work but thats a different problem:/

[molten oasis]

Fari Luna

Or torkoal psyspam

[graceful pelican]

have people tried running decidueye his in trick room

[graceful pelican]

yuck, meta

[molten oasis]

Dawg

You asked, I’m not giving you something super niche

[solid frigate]

exactly when you need to use Meta before Niche

[torn parrot]

Cybertroniono fought it

He lost

Granted he was using yanma with no attacking moves

[molten oasis]

Yippee

[solid frigate]

kek

[molten oasis]

What’s the milotic set?

[shadow wind]

Lotta eyewear on that team

[molten oasis]

So true

[solid frigate]

Probably Coil Hypnosis

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/my-disappointment-is-immeasurable-and-gif-20080022

[dense latch]

i got destroyed by furreto testo three times yesterday

[torn parrot]

I actually don’t know

Can’t find paste

[molten oasis]

Damn

[molten oasis]

cough I wonder who that is cough cough

[tiny karma]

Move: Coil

Raises the user's Attack, Defense, and accuracy by 1 stage.

Type

Poison

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

20 (32)

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Snatch

Affected by Snatch.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[torn parrot]

i hope i wasnt toxic

😭

i feel like i remember getting tilted during the end of the night

[dense latch]

no not at all

[torn parrot]

yayy

gg

[dense latch]

i recognized your name and asked if it was you in chat

[torn parrot]

oh mb
i have chat muted

[craggy dagger]

lol

[dense latch]

ohh ok

[torn parrot]

i think thats the last furret session tho onto new things

maybe ill do one more if im up for it one day

[dense latch]

super fang demolished me

[dense latch]

gg to u2 :))

[torn parrot]

@dense latch oh btw what was your team

[dense latch]

mdb’s pult sneasler

[torn parrot]

ohhh

yeah i faced a lot of those...

😔

[dense latch]

i face the mirror so much

[cyan smelt]

i started using magmar over electabuzz and have done really well with it

[dense latch]

yeah overheat is genuinely so good

when it hits

[cyan smelt]

magmar is underrated

[torn parrot]

both of them are extremely good

i feel like they're just flawless

they have everything you need out of a follow me user

[cyan smelt]

idk why magmar has less than 1% usage on munchstats

[torn parrot]

oh the big one?

[dense latch]

that was probably pre-dortmund

[torn parrot]

or is that the small one

wow thats really surpising

[cyan smelt]

maybe labmaus is better to determine its usage

[dense latch]

yeah esp majors

[cyan smelt]

what's your team eriksp

[dense latch]

michael kelsch’s pultsneasler

magmar pult sneasler rilla gambit prim

[cyan smelt]

i'm using that too

[dense latch]

the team really has little to no really bad matchups

[cyan smelt]

gambit is so good

[dense latch]

fr

[torn parrot]

its a really hard team to lead into

its one of those things where the main core is so strong that the other stuff just ensures it claps

[cyan smelt]

it really is true that you need to learn to use meta before you can use niche

[torn parrot]

very true

you cant find a niche if you dont know what the niches are

[cyan smelt]

i was really stubborn about building my own teams but i guess to get good i have to change my attitude

[torn parrot]

every time i play a good team someone else made i feel like i learn something new

[molten oasis]

Magmar is picking up

And the fact that mirror is insanely miserable pushed me away from playing magmar balance lol

[dense latch]

sometimes it comes down to the leads in the mirror

[molten oasis]

I still hate it

[dense latch]

yeah they’re terrible i can’t argue w that

[cyan smelt]

parsrs is really helping me with that stuff

such a useful tool

[dull ibex]

drago i feel bad

[molten oasis]

about?

[dull ibex]

I saw you in another server and wanted to react to the message with a tomato lmao

[molten oasis]

bruh

[dull ibex]

I didnt

but it would be FUNNY

[molten oasis]

true but like, dont do it lmao

[dull ibex]

alright

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYARE7xRfHE @bold geode

[gentle crag]

redstonejesus has given 1 Gen Rep to dollarmonke

[solid frigate]

wait is that Monke's Team or something else

ok its not its something different

[dull ibex]

its very similiar to his

[tiny peak]

Hisuian arcanine tailwind team I can't decide whimsicott or murkrow as my tailwind setter

[dull ibex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZhX1EvJ8Po 🤔

[molten oasis]

more a9 knowledge

[dull ibex]

Ye

[molten oasis]

veil is usable? noted

[tiny peak]

Got a post in battle stadium if anyone can help with team building

[cyan smelt]

So with harc are you thinking rock head or intim

[tiny peak]

I wanna go intimidate choice band

Like with a tailwind setup

[cyan smelt]

Espeed flare blitz rock slide head smash

Well depends on what you want, whims has encore

[tiny peak]

Yeah I'm new to doubles so I'm not sure best I came up with mon wise looking at pikalytics was harcanine/murkrow/garxhomp/alolan ninetales/amoongus/gholdengo

But then realized ninetales snow would boost ice defense so that was like crap might have to switch that one

[cyan smelt]

Maybe replace with rilla or sneasler?

Maybe not rilla if you want to use eq

[tiny peak]

I think I wanna use eq with murkrow but was first worried about countering trick room but someone said amoongus is good for that

[cyan smelt]

Also munchstats is probably better than pikalytics

And also look at recent tournament results on labmaus to see what's done well

[tiny peak]

Never heard of that one, was mainly using it to see what countered this archuledon pelipper thing I keep seeing

[cyan smelt]

Sneasler is good against arch

[tiny peak]

So was also debating garchomp vs bloodmoon ursaluna, I'll have to look at sneazler

[cyan smelt]

Blood Moon is also good

[tiny peak]

Problem with ursaluna is I don't have it with 0 speed cause it was a static encounter and I forgot to save

It's not hypertrained tho

Can't decide if whimsi or murkrow would be betted

[cyan smelt]

Some people run fast bm so it's fine

Well murkrow has prankster sunny day and so does whims

I'd advise using rentals before making your own team

[tiny peak]

Gotcha, I'll look into some, the only team members that seem certain right now are harcanine, a tailwind setter, and amoongus seems like a must

If I can't fit rilla I could do tera grass harcanine and suprise people or would that be bad?

[cyan smelt]

Tera normal is better

[tiny peak]

Seems like I can't find any harcanine reg h rental teams, dang lol

[cyan smelt]

See if you can find any tournament results

[tiny peak]

Ok lemme look

[bold geode]

They took my fuckin swag

This is damn near my team wtf

[tiny peak]

I've only found one page with potential partners, how is alolan ninetales good for harcanine?

[dull ibex]

same idea is funny

[cyan smelt]

No idea, a nine does aurora veil

[dull ibex]

a9 does not have to do veil

it can just blizz spam

[tiny peak]

I was thinking veil with it but if someone has an ice type with 3 on my team idea weak to ice boosting ice defense kinda sucks

[bold geode]

It's literally like item and a couple move changes lmao

[dull ibex]

thats hilarious

probably not stolen

or maybe it is! who knows

[bold geode]

Definitely ain't stolen
If it is then I'd be really fuckin surprised

[balmy glen]

Hisu arc is good against the weathers which atales isn’t while also being an intimidator and heavy dmg dealer

[tiny peak]

@balmy glen gotcha, so I finally found some tournament teams that are mostly similar to my rough draft but still am unsure

A lot mention annihilape being a good teammate

[spiral ridge]

Ape is a beast yes

[torn parrot]

fuck

guys

[spiral ridge]

Yeah people do that

[torn parrot]

do i have to watch every cw superhero shows

[spiral ridge]

Cw?

[tiny peak]

@spiral ridge omg I'm dying after that joke lol

[spiral ridge]

What series are cw?

[cyan smelt]

Rereading vgcguide and it's a lot to take in, I'm gonna need to take notes both written and audio to remember it

[craggy dagger]

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/rluizv/status/1844394348512936368?s=46&t=ABmlfVEFBQCjDsVtUhlUlQ

Robson Bittencourt (@rluizv) on X

New VGC Multi Calc: Speed ​​Calculator

The idea of ​​this calculator is to show a speed scale with your Pokémon and others.

Main features
- Calculate versus Icy Wind and Scarf
- Meta speed extracted from SD monthly
- Reg G and H apart
- Mobile version

https://t.co/5CbOXJALJG

Twitter · Oct 10, 2024, 3:07 PM

[balmy glen]

Rewatching/reviewing old matches of mine in my notes and decided to go to my indie match and saw this lol

I was choice banded rillaboom so this person kinda just watched my whole set without realizing I was 😭

[foggy lodge]

lmao

[dense latch]

[foggy lodge]

https://victoryroadvgc.com/2025-lima/

there's a Charizard in top 8