but it wasnt a thing until gen 9
#competitive_discussion
rustic mountain
foggy lodge
I think they should have been implemented in gen 7
I didn't play gen 7 comp but from what i heard having to guess if the oponnent had a move to obliterate your mon or not sound horrible
cyan smelt
i hope bo3 stays
rustic mountain
i mean bo3 will always be a thing, the question is ots or cts
i think the only reason ots is a thing is cuz tera so im in the boat that once sv ends so does ots
dense latch
true
foggy lodge
this gen would be horrible without ots, atleast in tournaments
rustic mountain
unplayable imo
foggy lodge
it would be
rustic mountain
hence why ots made sense, idk wat they decide w/ a new gimmick tho
dense latch
i wouldn't mind ots in later gens but I'd understand it being removed
rustic mountain
id def prefer they keep it but if they dont i wouldnt be too annoyed
foggy lodge
Maybe they just come back to Mega evolution idk
rustic mountain
mega evos suck
foggy lodge
Maybe just maybe next gen doesn't have a new gimmick and just recycles mega
foggy lodge
mega evos suck
hmmmm maybe
rustic mountain
if they recycle megas for gen 10 imma b tight
dense latch
i don't think it gets worse than dynamax
foggy lodge
i think it was more a problem of the few pokemon that got an actual usable mega and that those pokemon with usable megas were fucking broken
rustic mountain
i started comp w/ dmax itll always hav a place in my heart
tera feels the most balanced along w/ ots
dense latch
same but series 10 made me realize I preferred no dmax
dense latch
tera feels the most balanced along w/ ots
100%
foggy lodge
Tera is the most balanced by far
rustic mountain
same but series 10 made me realize I preferred no dmax
thats my fav format ever
no gimmick jus good ol pokemon
dense latch
thats my fav format ever
samee i have some amazing memories with it
foggy lodge
im more a fan of no gimmick but if i had to choose i go with tera 100%
dense latch
i took a break back in 2021 and came back july this year, tera has been amazing icl
foggy lodge
maybe we just need a new game with no gimmick lol
rustic mountain
im more a fan of no gimmick but if i had to choose i go with tera 100%
yea exactly
its the best out of wat weve been given so far
foggy lodge
it could be a break of all the flashy things
dense latch
im more a fan of no gimmick but if i had to choose i go with tera 100%
same
i've been trying to make the most of the 3 months left of reg h
i don't miss reg g at all
rustic mountain
yea ive been enjoying reg h alot
chrome knot
p2
cyan smelt
i'm enjoying it more now that i tweaked my team and added tw support
dense latch
i've been doing really good with balance throughout the format
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2217445392 interesting game
molten oasis
yea ive been enjoying reg h alot
It grew on me
Once stuff started to really develop the format improved a lot
atomic mural
i just fought a team with hard stone rock wrecker rhyperior and amulet coin persian
cyan smelt
p2 ursa?
chrome knot
yeah
cyan smelt
based
chrome knot
with a different flair to it that in practice I went 4-1 vs a friend I usually struggle vs :3
chrome knot
nb
rustic mountain
It grew on me
fair enough
rustic mountain
<@669294124649676800> I HAVE THE CALL
chrome knot
ye that one
rustic mountain
vibing
plain drum
molten oasis
fyrret can one shot calyrex shadow
Lmao nice
rustic mountain
didnt cybertron have a furret vid recently for reg g
molten oasis
did he? idk
rustic mountain
nvm it was sentret
molten oasis
ah
rustic mountain
close enough
molten oasis
idt it lived anything crazy but it took like less than 30% from garchomp
so my line for chomp talon stuff was spam hyper voice or bloodmoon the garchomp
rustic mountain
idk wat av has to do w/ being tanky vs chomp but nice
molten oasis
idk wat av has to do w/ being tanky vs chomp but nice
it was surprising
oh disquake, thats why i was thinking about that
rustic mountain
its got good base def
molten oasis
killowattrel wasn't doing shit to it either
rustic mountain
i mean yea its immune to its main move haha
chrome knot
tree can i send you a series of replays from today, its jus 5(4-1) but idk if path finding was good or jus insanely unoptimal
molten oasis
its a fun team, idk how much i like the double tw stuff but it was fine
rustic mountain
tree can i send you a series of replays from today, its jus 5(4-1) but idk if pa...
sure idk how great my analysis will b atm tho im pretty tired 
little stump
I created a ground type team it's not that good but it's fun to play. i even defeated someone running a new sheer cold and perish song team that Wolfe created.
mighty stump
with a different flair to it that in practice I went 4-1 vs a friend I usually s...
is it the same 6 u told me
spiral ridge
sure idk how great my analysis will b atm tho im pretty tired <:KEKWcry:97091212...
I just told her she played awesome and she was happy 
rustic mountain
spiral ridge
I’m helpful
rustic mountain
spiral ridge
Almost finally broke 1500 on reg H but fell right at 1490 lmao
Maybe one day I’ll be back up in 1580
torn parrot
the amount of things that poison fighting threatens is kind of astounding
spiral ridge
Team feels good I feel stupid
spiral ridge
the amount of things that poison fighting threatens is kind of astounding
Yeah and a nice little throat chop for the one thing that isn’t affected by all that
Can tera dark so that’s Stab too to be silly
shadow wind
Poison/Fighting/Dark coverage can only not hit 1 type combo in the game
And you'll never believe what it is...
torn parrot
Itself
shadow wind
Yup that's right, it's Sneasler's typing
torn parrot
Not even sneasler can beat sneasler 😔
shadow wind
"If you can't beat em, join em" ahh typing
rustic mountain
rustic mountain
keep it up
rustic mountain
go all the way
rustic mountain
double rainbow all the way
torn parrot
Maybe Tera poison is the way
gets parad
rustic mountain
some1 did a poll who they would rather face urshifu or sneasler and it was 50/50
shadow wind
Rather cop 5 billion surging strikes before 1 dire claw(I'm really unlucky)
shadow wind
At least I know that surging strikes is going to crit
molten oasis
I like shifu, cuz I use it a lot, and I love its design
shadow wind
It does have a very cool design I will say
They made it maybe a little too strong? But that's besides the point
rustic mountain
man if i see a sneasler im chilling, urshifu its like got damn i need 2 answers atleast a way to ko it before it punches to many holes and i cant protect. sneasler is light work
molten oasis
I get why people hate shifu (it needs a nerf)
torn parrot
It’s a kung fu panda
shadow wind
man if i see a sneasler im chilling, urshifu its like got damn i need 2 answers ...
Thing is that Shifu has counters that work
Raging bolt mainly
molten oasis
Raging bolt
shadow wind
But like Sneasler?
molten oasis
Rillaboom kinda
rustic mountain
and it still dominated
shadow wind
I need a covert cloak Sneasler for it
shadow wind
and it still dominated
Besides the point
shadow wind
Who?
rustic mountain
i do not find sneasler as annoying as urshifu in the slightest. recency bias is insane
molten oasis
Next to incin, shifu dude
shadow wind
Oh probably
shadow wind
i do not find sneasler as annoying as urshifu in the slightest. recency bias is ...
Oh I'm 100% just salty after 1 too many dire claw sleeps
molten oasis
Let’s nerf zacian and zama not shifu or calyrex
rustic mountain
urshifu inherently breaks 2 fundamental codes of vgc, crits consistently and breaks protect. sneasler is rng menace i can deal w/ that way easier haha
patent marsh
Let’s nerf zacian and zama not shifu or calyrex
dlc diff'd
rustic mountain
Oh I'm 100% just salty after 1 too many dire claw sleeps
not even jus u ppl in general
torn parrot
urshifu inherently breaks 2 fundamental codes of vgc, crits consistently and bre...
No sash no intimidate no screens no protect
molten oasis
And I can intimidate it okay it’s not that bad
shadow wind
I mean shell armour prevents the effect of surging strikes
Unseen fist on the other hand
rustic mountain
like how can we forget how insane urshifu is haha jus cuz we got used to it doesnt mean it still isnt broken
shadow wind
Need a whole weezing for that
rustic mountain
shadow wind
NEVER MIND, I just looked at its stats
Bro has the WORST speed stat of all time
56
Bro isn't underspeeding in TR or outspeeding out of TR
But he does get wide guard
Interesting
rustic mountain
its fine vs a lot in tr speed wise tbh issue is it sucks and doesnt do enough like other tr sweepers that are jus way more oppressive
shadow wind
Shell Smash 🤪
rustic mountain
ive played vs it ik haha
molten oasis
It’s so meh
rustic mountain
most starters are
shadow wind
I'm still waiting for shell smash Torkoal to be meta
rustic mountain
shadow wind
most starters are
Primarina 😔
rustic mountain
prims atleast good atm
shadow wind
True
molten oasis
Primarina is good in lower power formats
shadow wind
In Reg G2 I'm going to cook with eviolite Grotle
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
molten oasis
Mmm yes 89 attack
rustic mountain
lmao
shadow wind
It has shell smash, trust in the process
rustic mountain
nah i cant
molten oasis
So you’re gonna get faster in trick room???
molten oasis
It’s so flawed lmaoo
rustic mountain
some mons jus wont work ever haha
shadow wind
Groudon 😔
rustic mountain
unless u do some niche format or self made
molten oasis
Yep, like most bug pokemon
rustic mountain
groudon has been historically good i think 1 gen its mid is fine
molten oasis
Idt groudon is bad this just isn’t its gen
rustic mountain
its not bad at all yea its jus not a good time for it
shadow wind
The one gen I start competitive had to be the gen Groudon gets slapped
molten oasis
Maybe in double it’ll be okay
shadow wind
He can't use tera too well, biggest downfall
molten oasis
But like, koraidon is the better sun setter imo and it just seems to explode to special attacks, like the horse
rustic mountain
idt its even tera its its main stab being press a miss blades
shadow wind
idt its even tera its its main stab being press a miss blades
Just get lucky ‼️
rustic mountain
yea its a few different things
rustic mountain
love pelipper
shadow wind
Hate pelipper
molten oasis
It’s a lot against it not that it’s a bad Mon
rustic mountain
sometimes good mons dont always fit into a format
molten oasis
Whimsi didn’t do so well in reg f
rustic mountain
even stuff like lando t and heatran falling off. they arent suddenly bad mons
molten oasis
Uhm, lando t and heatran yea
shadow wind
I will continue to shove my Groudon shaped block into the Koraidon shaped slot
molten oasis
It’s like cramming the star into the square shaped hole
molten oasis
Honestly we kinda saw Pagos fall off a cliff
Which is unfortunate cuz I think Pagos was neat
shadow wind
Zamazenta got the express ride to the top of the cliff
molten oasis
Miraidon got an entire redemption arc
molten oasis
No cuz the no weapon dogs are awful
molten oasis
I remember briefly thinking zacian could be okay without the sword but then realized “you don’t get bblade so that sucks”
And its appeal is the typing imo
rustic mountain
I remember briefly thinking zacian could be okay without the sword but then real...
yea no those guys need their signature items
molten oasis
I wish gouging fire howl stuff was better
shadow wind
I mean I used it with Groudon
molten oasis
Cuz I thought Zac gouging fire was a really cool idea but then uh, incin
shadow wind
Worked fairly well
molten oasis
And calyrex
shadow wind
Not even fairly, it worked very well
balmy glen
Zama without shield is just a Groudon in disguise, blinded and now useless
spiral ridge
Zama no shield is belly rub form for being good doggo
feral flint
anyone be down for some vgc battlesZ? current reg??
spiral ridge
Aweee
feral flint
dm me if anyone wanna battle 🙂
gentle cragBOT
Gave up trying to execute custom command #556 after 1 minute because there is already one or more instances of it being executed.
cyan smelt
uh oh it's happening again
gentle cragBOT
Gave up trying to execute custom command #556 after 1 minute because there is already one or more instances of it being executed.
limber ivy
who wanna pvp for shinys?
gentle cragBOT
Gave up trying to execute custom command #556 after 1 minute because there is already one or more instances of it being executed.
spark basin
Any good suggestions for moves for my BDSP torterra? I got Earthquake, Stone Edge, Bullet Seet, and Leach Seed so far?
real prairie
i enjoy white herb - Protect, Shell smash, Wood hammer, Headlong rush on Torterra but thats for competitive
assume you are asking about a playthrough build?
solid frigate
i enjoy white herb - Protect, Shell smash, Wood hammer, Headlong rush on Torterr...
i dont think BDSP Torterra has Shell Smash
it only got shell smash in gen 9
real prairie
fair
chrome knot
is it the same 6 u told me
noooo
cyan smelt
i'm getting my ass kicked today
real prairie
i was running a rain team goodra yesterday, my god its so ridiculously bulky
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
real prairie
Hydration shitting on dire claw/poison touch lol
cyan smelt
why am i losing all the time today
surreal echo
https://pokepast.es/819e7719a5568d3c Thoughts on the team? I've been on a losing streak for a bit, which I'm pretty sure is just a skill issue on my part, but I wanted to get thoughts on the team just in case there's something that could be improved.
real prairie
Ursaluna feels like a thumb in the team, sticks out and not sure the benefit despite it being a good mon
SpDef investment for Arch needs to be higher
max out the use of that AV
otherwise, it looks like a relitively standard rain set.
surreal echo
Ursaluna feels like a thumb in the team, sticks out and not sure the benefit des...
i wanted to add it to improve my kingambit/mirror arch matchup. it's put in some work honestly, but I'll try playing more and see how it performs
also yes I'll add more spdef to arch
honestly my team has solid matchups into most physical attackers, but a lot of my team is frail in spdef, so will probably adjust ev spreads accordingly
mighty stump
Not sure what BM Ursa is doing for you here
real prairie
just max out SpDef on Arch, let stamina do the work for Def
real prairie
Not sure what BM Ursa is doing for you here
Eyy i got it right 🤣
mighty stump
Sneasler would be better for more immediate pressure
real prairie
I like normal gem / white herb unburden sneasler, but lots of people are leaning towards sash poison touch
surreal echo
I was considering sneasler, though i added ursa over it so that my TR mode would be stronger
I will probably try that though
only problem is i'd likely have to get rid of sash on peli
real prairie
run an unburden set instead then and keep the sash on Pelo
solid frigate
I like normal gem / white herb unburden sneasler, but lots of people are leaning...
don’t give me reminders on Normal Gem cuz seen people used on BM Ursa
real prairie
normal gem - technician - fake out Ambipom murdered me the other day
solid frigate
its still not great
Rather use Silk Scarf for that
solid frigate
only problem is i'd likely have to get rid of sash on peli
you could run Covert Cloak or Rocky Helmet on it
real prairie
its still not great
Rather use Silk Scarf for that
they run theif on the set, so normal gem is used
solid frigate
fair
torn parrot
why did an ursaluna just outspeed a sneasler in tailwind
real prairie
was TR up?
solid frigate
why did an ursaluna just outspeed a sneasler in tailwind
Tailroom BM Ursa?
solid frigate
With tailwind that's 228 so yeh
both Ursaluna can outspeed shit with Tailroom sets lol
torn parrot
With tailwind that's 228 so yeh
still slower than unburden
foggy lodge
if its unburden then idk lol
real prairie
Got a replay?
foggy lodge
it would be a speed tie i guess
torn parrot
im actually pissed what
solid frigate
unburden sneasler should atleast hit 300 speed
340+
or almost 350+
max Speed Sneasler is 176
if i recall
torn parrot
can i dm the replay
torn parrot
no itll be scrutiznesd and im hungry tired
real prairie
no itll be scrutiznesd and im hungry tired
i meant to me
foggy lodge
252 Speed Sneasler hits 172
real prairie
252 Speed Sneasler hits 172
why did i think it was 179
foggy lodge
It ain't no way unburden Sneasler is slower than Ursaluna-BM in tailwind
No speed investment Sneasler is 140 speed that automatically makes it faster
Unless there was another way of speed control like electroweb
solid frigate
It ain't no way unburden Sneasler is slower than Ursaluna-BM in tailwind
and even then BM ursa in Tailroom sets is not meant to outspeed that so idfk
solid frigate
Unless there was another way of speed control like electroweb
or para
torn parrot
wow
this whole time i didnt know that unburden goes away when you swap out
fuck sneasler
solid frigate
Case dismissed
real prairie
ive made the mistake before, live and learn moment
torn parrot
i dont wanna use sneasler anymore
solid frigate
ive made the mistake before, live and learn moment
I'm not making a SA2 meme again
real prairie
Spoiler, same thing happens to him as Sneasler
Sorry that was mean. Get some rest and enjoy the flash 🙂
real prairie
Loses his speed
torn parrot
ha
solid frigate
Sneasler = Barry
torn parrot
a flash team is possible
real prairie
going to start nicknaming my Sneasler "Barry Allen" lol
solid frigate
a flash team is possible
basically just pick 6 fastest mon lol
torn parrot
eyah that is basically what that would be
real prairie
make it harder, make them bi-pedal only
torn parrot
i have no idea how im gonna keep up with the entire cw universe
solid frigate
Meowscarada Sneasler sounds actually nice tho
torn parrot
watching the cw universe is like such a mess
real prairie
Speed boost Blaziken
torn parrot
its all the damn crossovers
real prairie
watching the cw universe is like such a mess
the CGI gets dated VERY quickly
solid frigate
Speed boost Blaziken
basically Barry Allen is a fucking KFC
real prairie
its all the damn crossovers
apart from the worlds collide cross over, you can watch the flash without watching the other shows.
real prairie
basically Barry Allen is a fucking KFC
lets not forget Hitmonlee lol
torn parrot
i need a sneasler break for sure
cyan smelt
down to 55.1% gxe and 1323, feels bad man
torn parrot
down to 55.1% gxe and 1323, feels bad man
i fucking beleive in you
cyan smelt
i need to start watching replays and doing parsrs
torn parrot
the relationship between iris and barry is weird because she's basically his step sister
cyan smelt
ok i've started to win games again
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
cyan smelt
now i'm back down again
solid frigate
the relationship between iris and barry is weird because she's basically his ste...
i start to feel uncomfortable lol
plain drum
now i'm back down again
Downfall of man in twenty minutes
zinc totem
the relationship between iris and barry is weird because she's basically his ste...
I see you not much in internet 🤣
solid frigate
Black Glasses Gambit or Assault Vest Gambit looks better
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2217910979
I guess i'm a balance Player now
chrome knot
“guess im a balance player now”
look inside:
hyper offence core :v
solid frigate
“guess im a balance player now”
look inside:
hyper offence core :v
my brain be stupid after a long day so yea
but anyways
the team is fine,been climbing steadily
zinc totem
What are these CM blursas
solid frigate
What are these CM blursas
Reg H moment
chrome knot
Hydreigon @ Specs & tera Fire
Heatwave
Dark Pulse
Draco Meteor
Snarl
Kingambit @ AV & tera Fairy
Kowtow Cleave
Sucker Punch
Iron Head
Low Kick
@dapper crag
kingambit just wants 252hp&252atk
what
w h y
chrome knot
as if thats the problem lmao
molten oasis
What???
molten oasis
Did you stay on vivi chomp?
chrome knot
p2
chrome knot
ty!!
torn parrot
Guys
I know how to delete a sneasler
Die Sneasler DIE
(Don’t be tera ghost)
252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Normal Dragonite Helping Hand Extreme Speed vs. +1 36 HP / 4 Def Sneasler: 171-202 (106.8 - 126.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
My mistakeeeeee
pearl wind
i saw nothing 
torn parrot
Screw multiscale
Screw bullshit
Screw scale shot
JUST BLAMO
NO SHITS GIVEN JUST EAT YUMMY DELICIOUS
FREE E SPEED FOOD
AAAAAAAAAAAA
solid frigate
moment
craggy dagger
burning tera though 
spiral ridge
Not much wrong with a normal tera dnite
solid frigate
or just have a giraffe
spiral ridge
252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Normal Dragonite Helping Hand Extreme Speed vs. +1 36 ...
Sash?
Just hit it twice ig
solid frigate
Dual Wingbeat does it
craggy dagger
Not much wrong with a normal tera dnite
body press :3
spiral ridge
True
Archa scary
Most will probably be sash so you just need to hit around 50% right
solid frigate
Archa scary
its still relevant so yeah
spiral ridge
Mhm
foggy lodge
Dual Wingbeat does it
Dnite doesn't learn it in gen 9 i think
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
craggy dagger
brav hisui your ace?
wouldn’t greninja or meowscarada be good for the protean type swap?
tiny peak
Is harcanine/murkrow/garchomp/alolan ninetales/amoongus/gholdengo a good team? I'm wanting to do a tailwind/harcanine team, worried I might need trick room counters
craggy dagger
running overqwil too-
cause it’s only weak to ground and covers fairy as well
chrome knot
@craggy dagger imagine what triple axel meow does to half this team
torn parrot
By the way you guys notice tera steel heavy slam dondozo
Made to one shot primarina
that’s like half the dozos I see
chrome knot
or like
late game dondozo tatsugiri
bc all you do is bomb murkrow then wear down the rest
then dozo boss battle lmfao
molten oasis
By the way you guys notice tera steel heavy slam dondozo
Not good for me who crutches Prima for dozo LOL
torn parrot
<:CatStare:892867156096712774>
It’s okay lol fake out haze will do the trick
molten oasis
Or redirection/wisp in my case
https://pokepast.es/a9346a6e276feef1 this is my current team
real prairie
@mighty stump
real prairie
By the way you guys notice tera steel heavy slam dondozo
Old school set, tera steel was used to ages in 1st or 2nd reg to be immune to clear smog amoongus
craggy dagger
yup
torn parrot
Old school set, tera steel was used to ages in 1st or 2nd reg to be immune to cl...
It’s the heavy slam
That’s something I havnt seem much till this reg
torn parrot
https://pokepast.es/a9346a6e276feef1 this is my current team
Looks awesomes
torn parrot
I feel like wolfey’s last stream blew me away
tiny peak
Any thoughts on a tailwind team with Harcanine? So far I've got harcanine/murkrow/garchomp/alolan ninetales/amoongus/gholdengo
torn parrot
Okay true fact
I was thinking about wolfey’s team before I opened that replay
Wtf lol
And then it was wolfey’s team
real prairie
@mighty stump might make you reconsider kids 🤣
molten oasis
The tr mu for this team sucks dude
Fucking eject button indeedee
Like psyspam just ruins the teams game plan
And I lost on the spot when he eject buttons into fucking torkoal
And I’m not using incin so I literally lost on the spot
I hate indeedee
torn parrot
What about your misty terrain
molten oasis
What about your misty terrain
It didn’t really matter
Even if I did go for misty terrain t1 I can’t lead dengo into armarouge torkoal and blursa would still have exploded
torn parrot
Even if I did go for misty terrain t1 I can’t lead dengo into armarouge torkoal ...
How would a clefable + primarina lead do
torn parrot
Lilligant torkoal right?
You still have clefable to take the hits if it comes to that
Might work
I mean sleep is unavoidable that’s for sure
Wait
Okay
I might be stupid but
People run tera blast flying on dragonite
But
Tera boosts the power of 60 base power moves right?
So wouldn’t aerial ace be affectively the same thing as tera blast?
real prairie
Tera boosts stab or makes a move stab that wasn't previously
real prairie
Tera blast is tera stab + flying stab + 80 base power
torn parrot
WAIT no I know what I was thinking
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
torn parrot
tera boosts moves below 60 base power and makes them 60 base power
I got it mixed up
real prairie
tera boosts moves below 60 base power and makes them 60 base power
Does it?
real prairie
So tera normal pop bomb would be 10 hits of 60bp
torn parrot
I don’t think it works on multi hit moves either
just like
Things like draining kiss
That gets boosted to 60
It’s time to watch the flash
I love that the flash is basically just like a cosmic wizard
molten oasis
Ig Prima clef is the line
I’ve been thinking about goggles clef for a bit
Keeps Bloodmoon going
torn parrot
I fought dondozo lead that was a ninetales with hypnosis and a venusaur with sleep powder and it’s just like
Okay go fuck yourself
torn parrot
Bababa
real prairie
amoonguss my beloved
I love shroomy too TBF
Want to try build an ultra offensive shroomy for lols
shadow wind
Want to try build an ultra offensive shroomy for lols
At that point use Breloom
dull ibex
Sleep spam seems to have massively declined
do you know
real prairie
"for the lols"
real prairie
do you know
I've probably just been lucky in matchmaking
dull ibex
I've probably just been lucky in matchmaking
do you know why it has?
torn parrot
Season 1 flash cgi was actually pretty good
real prairie
do you know why it has?
Oh, assume it's the fact everyone just tera grassed or redirected
real prairie
Season 1 flash cgi was actually pretty good
It Declines the harder they try
dull ibex
vital spirit is super common
torn parrot
It Declines the harder they try
I don’t think they try harder
real prairie
I don’t think they try harder
Oh they do, and it's not very good
torn parrot
bold geode
https://tenor.com/view/dancing-rabbits-dancing-rabbits-dancing-hares-dancing-bun...
Now make them do the Gangnam style
molten oasis
I forgot how much I hate wisp cuz IT NEVER HITS
I lost to a gyarados because I MISSED WISP
RNGsus hates me in a format that’s full of rng
craggy dagger
tiny peak
Harcanine/murkrow/garchomp/alolan ninetales/amoongus/gholdengo tailwind arcanine team, good or any swaps I need to do?
molten oasis
My accuracy is 10%
I hit more play roughs than I hit wisps
And I’m convinced that play rough has like 50% accuracy
hidden bridge
Does being confused do anything other than having a change to hittinb yourself sometimes?
little stump
I can't send pics. it's not working why?
molten oasis
craggy dagger
WHY
molten oasis
craggy dagger
YOU DARE FORWARD THAT CAT
thick sable
Best set up for bidoof in PLA? I'm trying to keep a build for every pokemon in the game
craggy dagger
craggy dagger
i’m kidding i have no clue where that cat came from i’ve also been forwarding
molten oasis
spiral ridge
<:blondenekogiggle:931904537890025504>
i’m kidding i have no clue where that ca...
wow how dare you join in
~~sent it to emma when i saw yours
~~
bold geode
<:robin_wheeze:1283161599590400062>
Hai bestie
bold geode
<:CatStare:892867156096712774>
molten oasis
<:CatStare:892867156096712774>
molten oasis
bold geode
torn parrot
this was my farthest furret
but the new team is incredibly unfun so im i dunno probabbly gonna remake or add style to it
im sleepy
i think furret v3 will be more aggressive
rustic mountain
why furret
dense latch
why not furret
torn parrot
why furret
boredom
its fucking cute
spiral ridge
Still miss furret escalator
spiral ridge
:(
rustic mountain
boredom
its fucking cute
rustic mountain
patent marsh
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/801206989933641751/1290977490130436198/ezgif-1-f2715c217b.gif
torn parrot
It doesn’t seem that strange
I guess it’s just one of those things people forgot works
bold geode
I mean it did go away
chrome knot
nuh uh it didn’t
bold geode
Wasn't around as much me thinks
dull ibex
I've seen it
bold geode
Talking results wise mainly as well as compared to usage of other stuff
Also comparing the Ursas themselves for example
The gap between highest placing Ursas in Balt was 3rd for Reg Ursa and 21st for BM, with 21st barely hitting top cut
If you wanna compare P2 Ursa to BM Farig then the gap grows even wider, with the highest placing BM Farig being at 40th
And then Dortmund let's see
4th vs 13th so it got a little better there but Reg Ursa still did better
The formulas were still similar though lol
Clef/Incin/Flamigo/Gholdengo/BM Farigiraf
I mean just saying it did kinda fall off for a minute
molten oasis
PEOPLE REDISCOVER MAKE IT RAIN GHOLDENGO
I did discover it
surreal echo
https://pokepast.es/bfe325b3eab6bc62
Need help looking for a sixth team member. Currently my worst matchups are opposing Archaludon and Sneasler. My Kingambit MU also needs a little work, but as long as Arch can Body Press it's not too much of an issue. Been cycling through a few potential options though, mainly Sneasler and H-Decidueye.
mighty stump
Expand more on your worst MUs, cause you should be able to put Archas into range of other moves by just clicking Draco
Do you really need Incineroar here
surreal echo
It's been nice to have at times, especially if I want to just get up a guaranteed TR
But I do agree that he's kinda washed
Fire Tauros could be good maybe?
surreal echo
Expand more on your worst MUs, cause you should be able to put Archas into range...
also what moves specifically?
mighty stump
I mean you click Draco, chunk it, and any neutral Physical should kill
You can close games with Basc easy or just start using BPress
surreal echo
Ran the calcs, Draco does only around half to arch
that would proc stamina and then i'd probably need like two more body presses after
mighty stump
In one turn. You don’t have to click neutral Draco. Spam EShots and click +2 Draco lol
surreal echo
true
mighty stump
Looking at the standard core Rain teams Mirrors are lines rather than fixing up teams
surreal echo
i do have enough survivability with sinistcha to do that i suppose
plus if my opponent tries to do the same thing i can just rage powder to alleviate the threat of an OHKO draco
mighty stump
With regards to Sneasler, as long as you don’t get haxed Basculegion is good 1:1 into it, as long as you remove Kingambits that tend to be there as well. I’d just think about using something other than Tera Water if you’re meeting a lot of Rillabooms.
surreal echo
I am meeting a lot of rillas actually
tera water is great as a burst option but I get punished for it later
so you're right, might be time to switch
mighty stump
Tera Ghost if you want to amp Last Respects more, otherwise Tera Grass
Tera Water amp was only good early meta cause for some reason everyone was offensive tera pilled
surreal echo
someone else i asked suggested tera grass + tera blast for my basc
mighty stump
Tera Blast Fairy/Grass is ok but it’s also meh to me
Aqua Jet when needed is always nice
surreal echo
yeah alr
mighty stump
It’s preference anyways
Is Sinistcha necessary here? Amoonguss could be a good healer replacement cause without BM Ursa not sure you have any motivation to click TR anymore
Otherwise Gholdengo + Sneasler or Pult/Sneasler duo can fit as a 5th/6th
Then Sinis + Gholdengo could be another thing for you into Sneaslers
surreal echo
i like sinistcha against TW teams, plus hospitality + life dew is more consistent healing since I'm healing both at the same time
also hard counters regular ursaluna and gives me another ground switch in
I was using amoonguss before though
mighty stump
Mm, then theres less inclincation like I said to have Incin. You could consider Maus/Ape
Super Fang + Draco Meteor probably deletes other Archa
Annihlape good into Sneasler if you don’t get haxed + Fighting into Kingambit
surreal echo
Ooh true
mighty stump
Keeps Sinistcha + Ape appreciates rhe heal anyways
surreal echo
This would be bulk up ape right
mighty stump
Then you also have a Follow Me or Taunt user to stop other Taunts
mighty stump
This would be bulk up ape right
Yea, but my personal preference is Max Spe Adamant offensive. I know people like bulkier Ape too
Still Bulk Up though
surreal echo
Hm interesting
mighty stump
Ape is faster than people give credit for
Jolly is fine if you really wanna outspeed Gholdengo guaranteed/Glimmora
surreal echo
Yeah it’s stat spread is crazy
mighty stump
Otherwise bulkier Ape, again, preference is fine
surreal echo
Got it, I’ll try mixing some things around
mighty stump
I think I went max Spe Ape, 2nd bump Atk at like 196 then rest in HP
surreal echo
Kingambit at 40% usage on the bo3 ladder is crazy
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
real prairie
May be helpful:
assuming Pelliper is drizzle, it sets up its own downfall
this is for that Gym leader thing right?
foggy lodge
Porygon2 is not convincing me xd
I barely pick it and when i pick it its just there
real prairie
its not the team for it really
youd be better off just replacing it with a mon that can stall out TR, reverse it but still operate without it or simply just operate in TR itself.
real prairie
or my favourite option, an Imprison mon
foggy lodge
I need an special attacker
real prairie
imprison Gardevoir?
foggy lodge
why
real prairie
just an option.
foggy lodge
I don't really need imprison or match up into trick room
Gholdengo Clef can work in TR
real prairie
true
foggy lodge
Porygon-Z was something i also considered
real prairie
sinischia?
foggy lodge
It could work
Double grass type has its drawbacks and benefits tho
id have to test
cyan smelt
why not mirror herb on tauros
foggy lodge
Defiant mons are already threaten by Tauros and Intimidate fuck all the calcs
cyan smelt
what about annihilape
foggy lodge
I haven't seen many Annihilapes but it could work against it
But clear amulet gives me more consistency to not be forced to switch Tauros when it gets intimidated
cyan smelt
fair
real prairie
what have you calc'd for that spread on Dnite?
cyan smelt
should i use glowbro with quick draw
real prairie
quick draw quick claw Glowbro lol
cyan smelt
yeah that was a meme in swsh
real prairie
whats that a 60% chance to go first? lol
real prairie
meh, Dual wingbeat Gale wings Talonflame still my go to Sneasler answer
cyan smelt
nope
mighty stump
Ok
cyan smelt
nice
real prairie
Minimize Muk with thunder could be a motive
neat hill
Anyone experienced in gen 9 natdex, I need some advice and have played almost none of s/v
real prairie
wrong place for it, but happy to help
cyan smelt
nice up to 1439
you know what i want to try, beat up weak armour stored power polteageist
real prairie
seems very gimicky
real prairie
true, just with the amount of redirection in meta atm just feels not very usable
cyan smelt
yeah that's the only problem
neat hill
wrong place for it, but happy to help
My apologies, was unsure of where to go
craggy dagger
wrong place for it, but happy to help
not really wrong place.
just more doubles players here 
we talk singles here too
neat hill
I’m just not familiar with the meta since sw/sh, I mainly do singles and have a preference of hyper offense teams
I’ve got a few teams I’ve been using, I don’t take credit for them as they are not MY teams but would anyone want to take a look at them and see what could be improved?
chrome knot
not really wrong place.
just more doubles players here <:KekHands:12512946864681...
whos we
chrome knot
good morning
solid frigate
lol
solid frigate
I’ve got a few teams I’ve been using, I don’t take credit for them as they are n...
where do you find those teams
neat hill
I was looking through team bazaar for natdex seeing what the most recent stuff that’s been posted was because they’re more up to date with the current bans
neat hill
where do you find those teams
^
the first team is an offensive team using a bunch of paradox mons, serperior doesn’t seem to do too much on the team overall it seems and I’m not sure if I want to stick with iron treads as a stealth rock setter or switch over to a suicide lead like lando-t
Team #1: https://pokepast.es/863fa99aa20fd7d6
this second team is a hyper offense team but I’m unsure of whether I should keep Charizard and serp on the team or replace them with something else, I’ve never played much into gen 9 yet so currently trying to get a feel for what’s good and what’s not right now, last time I’ve built teams were in gen 7/8
Team #2: https://pokepast.es/4ba34a3f253b4f16
these two teams are the ones I’d like some feedback on if anyone’s got any suggestions or advice
just trying to optimize them tbh
real prairie
not really wrong place.
just more doubles players here <:KekHands:12512946864681...
Assumed he wanted to know more about finding certain pokemon for national dex completion
thats my bad
sorry @neat hill and welcome haha
cyan smelt
I'm honestly about to use tinkaton
chrome knot
why so queerious
neat hill
sorry <@203651407977512960> and welcome haha
All good and thank youu
gentle cragBOT
All good and thank youu
xicoru has given 1 Gen Rep to oneofakindof
foggy lodge
Is any pokemon using scarf consistently as one of its main sets?
cyan smelt
h-typhlosion
I think I need to rejig my team, sneasler and kingambit and electabuzz and rilla can stay but idk what the other two should be
Actually prim is good too so I think I'll remove talon and add dragapult
Wait maybe I should replace electabuzz with magmar for the gholdengo mu
Gholdengo and kingambit
And rilla
I struggle with gholdengo
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
molten oasis
https://tenor.com/view/buzz-lightyear-gif-21327280
Shut up 
torn parrot
byaaaa
bold geode
Shut up <:VulpixUpset:919918430801506304>
No
torn parrot
probably giving murkrow brave bird would be helpful on mono dark
dull ibex
No <:CatStare:892867156096712774>
Got the zoomies?
bold geode
What
spiral ridge
I love just speed running original Mario randomly
dull ibex
me too
I can't believe the delusion going on in the nintendo discord
we are looking at a walmart canada tweet for hints
cyan smelt
i rejigged my team and now i'm doing really well
dull ibex
ay congrats
cyan smelt
Who'd have thought that getting rid of buzz and adding magmar and pult would work so well
Magmar has clutched for me against gholdengo
cyan smelt
We love magmar
cyan smelt
What the fuck did I just watch lmao
molten oasis
steel beam archaludon lmfao
cyan smelt
New meta
molten oasis
it not even killing prima was so much funnier
cyan smelt
Remember when steel beam gholdengo was a thing
dull ibex
it not even killing prima was so much funnier
bulk 😎
cyan smelt
Why are people using houndoom
bold geode
Why are people using houndoom
People are using Houndoom?
https://x.com/kevyboreland/status/1843479003317121128?t=5g2Ujy5UhrOtm4vzUrXtBA&s=19
@chrome knot they're copying your swag
Twitter
chrome knot
he didn’t get as nearly as much clout as i did :^)
chrome knot
Wait that was before I showed you LMAO
yeah i saw it this morning lmao
real prairie
real prairie
Haha Ty I guess 🤣
I'm about to have a play with sheer force max speed scarf Rampardos because funni
torn parrot
i think youll live lol
my thoughts are yoru gonna struggle against kingambit
i meannot gambitmb
i meant annilape
sneasler as werll
and brave buird will make you struggle less i feel
not that itll be doing much damage
tho it might one shot sneasler
the zoro is cool i know it can one shot sneasler too
shadow wind
First time I've hit 1600 in under 70 games
Usually I just start to explode at 1500 and lost 15 million
real prairie
my thoughts are yoru gonna struggle against kingambit
I mean, I'd imagine the people running the gym challenge won't just go full meta teams but guess never know
torn parrot
I mean, I'd imagine the people running the gym challenge won't just go full meta...
oh its a gym
well eitehr way on a dark mono
woudlnt it make sense to run the literal stab superffective move against your weakness?..
Unless there’s a rule against it or something
foggy lodge
So i think this is what i like the most https://pokepast.es/5f84323f2a3268e8
chrome knot
I mean, I'd imagine the people running the gym challenge won't just go full meta...
do i get go change my team between gyms or
is it jus a gauntlet
chrome knot
So i think this is what i like the most https://pokepast.es/5f84323f2a3268e8
life dew clef, heal pulse can be redirected
real prairie
do i get go change my team between gyms or
No idea I'm not part of it
chrome knot
wha-
who tf was it
you all kinda jus blend together in my head idrk whos who bar a few people ngl
real prairie
woudlnt it make sense to run the literal stab superffective move against your we...
Yeah I agree brave bird or hurricane is a decent idea (they said people running pelliper kept causing them issues, use their own rain to your benefit)
real prairie
you all kinda jus blend together in my head idrk whos who bar a few people ngl
Haha I was just helping
@dapper crag is running the dark gym
real prairie
How do we compete as trainers and challenge the gyms?
chrome knot
so how on earth do u prep for a gym not knowing banned typings
real prairie
Malamar could be a run pick with topsy turvy and superpower
chrome knot
nah I wouldnt play however building teams to beat it would be funny
real prairie
What are the limitations on the competitors? Reg H?
Oh happy to help
You want it to be hell and you aren't running minimize muk haha
chrome knot
heres the self limitations as guesses for the other 3 gyms ill be back with teams in a bit :3
these are teams to beat gym type btw
real prairie
Can trainers change teams between gyms?
I'd 100% be running a moody minimize muk team if I was dark leader haha
Glalie
Good dark type coverage (should have been a dark type)
Most gyms have only the requirement that the Pokémon must learn the gym types signature move, not necessarily be of the gyms type 🤷🏼♂️
I remember the gym trainers linoone in 3rd gym in gen 3 lol
I see
Malamar contrary and Muk alchemy could be fun, then feather dance Murkrow
6v6 or pick 4? @dapper crag
chrome knot
I wanted to make teams thatd beat this gym challenge thing
dw im on track for louisville prep I promise
spiral ridge
cruel lmao
craggy dagger
you’re not like this but for some reason it’s funny seeing you be like this
spiral ridge
it is quite funny
torn parrot
I like my primarinas fast as fuck
Fast as fuuu
Give man’s brave birdddd
Hit them fighting typesss
Oh what why are fighting types banned
I did not know you can ban 2 types
That’s a very cool rule
Knowing that I think your team is rad
chrome knot
I jus be tryina practice bruh it aint that deep
real prairie
Oh yeah I misunderstood, thought the types banned were you using them not challengers
real prairie
Knowing that I think your team is rad
Agreed
torn parrot
I jus be tryina practice bruh it aint that deep
Guy’s been playing showdown all night
foggy lodge
I jus be tryina practice bruh it aint that deep
lol
ive been finding salty people on showdown lately
real prairie
I jus be tryina practice bruh it aint that deep
🤣
foggy lodge
Maybe im just unlucky but in previous months i would see one every two months or something
spiral ridge
dude its 1100 chill 😭
foggy lodge
He said that i was too readable
And like obviously im going to go for the obvious play if you can't do anything to stop me😭
craggy dagger
I jus be tryina practice bruh it aint that deep
shadow wind
He said that i was too readable
Bro can't predict to save his life then
chrome knot
you’re not like this but for some reason it’s funny seeing you be like this <:ro...
whatd I dooooo
spiral ridge
make teams for non meta purposes
chrome knot
o
spiral ridge
silly
chrome knot
x-0 for practice today tho :3
spiral ridge
yayyy goodjob 
molten oasis
I jus be tryina practice bruh it aint that deep
Jeez lmao
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
chrome knot
so who learns this
great so its up to smeargle to do anything useful
so nobody useful
so nobody useful, yes
lmao
shadow wind
Did I hear gimmicky team?
Hear me out, spicy extract onto my own Dragapult
GROUDON MENTIONED 🗣️
Oh boy I love Groudon
craggy dagger
gimmick mentioned-
i’ve been summoned
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
spiral ridge
gimmick mentioned-
i’ve been summoned
hiiiii
rustic mountain
🤨
molten oasis
chrome knot
im sowwie lurantis :(
karmic temple
That’s a lot of dark
shadow wind
Hydreigon gets air slash
foggy lodge
i got a shiny Whimsicott in moon ball wujuu
shadow wind
But it isn't mono dark
Don't they usually also need to have a stab move for that tera?
foggy lodge
Tytar kinda broken
mighty stump
Ttar doesn’t run punching moves
cyan smelt
@bold geode yeah idk I've seen it a couple of times
bold geode
<@817628066020065280> yeah idk I've seen it a couple of times
What
Why am I here
Just to suffer?
bold geode
What in the shit are you even
bold geode
I jus be tryina practice bruh it aint that deep
Hehehehe
Yeah fuck twisted dimensions
Aren't you using Vivi Chomp though?
spiral ridge
She rediscovered p2 sauce
molten oasis
rediscovered p2 ursa is strong asf
spiral ridge
Lowkey I kinda wanna go back to it too
rustic mountain
Just to suffer?
"To live is to suffer, to survive is to find some meaning in the suffering"
bold geode
rediscovered p2 ursa is strong asf
The caveman rediscovered fire?
molten oasis
bold geode
"To live is to suffer, to survive is to find some meaning in the suffering"
Brother cheers I'll pass the bottle on that one 
gentle cragBOT
Brother cheers I'll pass the bottle on that one <:KekCry:1251294703102464020>
dollarmonke has given 1 Gen Rep to treeco.
bold geode
Anyways where are my EV spreads for some shit hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
foggy lodge
foggy lodge
I don't know if i found more unfair dire claw or how Porygon could click trick room and recover completely free even when it was put to sleep two times
craggy dagger
@chrome knot
why is bright powder so annoying
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2219024830
chrome knot
WTF how do you miss twice in a row
spiral ridge
YEAH
shadow wind
Just kidding, couldn't stop there
chrome knot
yaaayy
shadow wind
Just had to one up me didn’t you
torn parrot
nuh uh
old tulip
Hey all! My younger sister is putting together a team for her pokemon weekly and is having trouble rounding out her last slot
She is not sure what physical hitter would work best with this team (Tinkaton and Glaceon are her absolute favorites so she wants to keep them on the team) Any help would be awesome!
(let me update with moves, 1 sec)
craggy dagger
sitrus tink + covert talon or banded pult maybe?
old tulip
That you for the suggestion Latte!
May I ask your thoughts on why? Just so I have an idea of how to explain why they would round her team out well!
craggy dagger
oh actually maybe not dragapult overlapping fairy could be a problem.
Talon i was thinking you could use as a speed control tailwind setter, but you could also go sneasler with dire claw.
as for the sitrus on tink, tink isn’t getting much use from covert cloak so sitrus is prolly better for recovery
old tulip
Thank you!
craggy dagger
you also might wanna opt for a different move that’s not ice beam since you already have freeze dry
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
craggy dagger
or since you’re specs, you can try tera fighting, fairy, fire, tera blast glaceon
old tulip
Oh! I did not even consider that! Thank you!!!
cyan smelt
I love kingambit
cyan smelt
Unique follow me user
solid frigate
The fact that Your Sister actually got some sets right-
Snarl Hydrei is still eh but workable
cyan smelt
how do i fix the name match errors in the parsrs sheet
real prairie
i like own tempo Tinkaton with a mon with swagger