competitive_discussion

[molten oasis]

big brain

i do like sneasler pult, it is really fun, that mirror sucks

[mighty stump]

CORREEECT

with Fissure

[rustic mountain]

[molten oasis]

[rustic mountain]

u catch wolfeys stream at all?

he was doing skill swap bronzong w/ no guard golurk into sheer cold lapras

[molten oasis]

that team is fucking wack

[mighty stump]

yeah i saw

Lol

[rustic mountain]

[rustic mountain]

id go like 2-8 w/ that team haha

[molten oasis]

i'd go 0-10

cuz idt i can pilot that at all

[rustic mountain]

yea its wonky as shit

i couldnt believe some of the games he was winning

[molten oasis]

world champ diff

oh tofu i wanted to ask, why talon and whimsi?

for the bloodmoon team

[rustic mountain]

i really wanna be that guy and be like actually its former world champ difference

[molten oasis]

lmaoo

[mighty stump]

I wanted Talonflames coverage and having back up Tailwind seemed like a good idea

People have trouble getting thru one TW

so you can essentially trade TW setters

and still have potential Spe control on your end

Plus different style of TWinder as well

[molten oasis]

i'll see how it feels

[mighty stump]

Cause you’re leaning on a couple of mons to output damage

[rustic mountain]

u guys ever see the double rainbow video?

[mighty stump]

BM and Gholdengo can solo teams, just needs enablement

[molten oasis]

no what?

[rustic mountain]

oh god haha different generation ig

1 sec

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQSNhk5ICTI&t=32s

one of the biggest viral yt vids back in the day

was gna say the way he says double rainbow but double tailwind

[torn parrot]

I spit in your face

Patooi

[rustic mountain]

lmao

[molten oasis]

thats a scarf tera steel dengo, why???

[rustic mountain]

not that crazy

[molten oasis]

it has tw support

thats why im confused

[mighty stump]

So does the other side lol

?

[molten oasis]

nvm im stupid

doesn't matter just lost to immediate offense

oh well

[rustic mountain]

yea i mean built in speed control if u dont bring tw nd extra speed if u r matching tw like tofu mentioned

[molten oasis]

im dumb ok? lol

i didnt think about that

[mighty stump]

Local Drago did not think

Breaking News

[molten oasis]

[mighty stump]

Our next top story

Will Monke ever find intelligence

tune in after our break

[molten oasis]

alright theres the 3rd male indeedee, second one i've lost to, cuz i didn't click tw and called a tr lol

[molten oasis]

bloodmoon doesn't die lol, its so tanky

idk if i like whimsi or celf but talon dengo prima bm feels pretty solid

[mighty stump]

Whimsicott is to Encore lol

So you can Encore lock or Prio Bloodmoon

or Hyper Voice

[molten oasis]

oh ic

i've used that tech 0 times lol

my favorite sub scale shot garchomp

[molten oasis]

lets goo

this team is awesome

only mu i feel like was a major struggle was armarouge psyspam

[cyan smelt]

what's your team?

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/fbb5e807bef8182b

[cyan smelt]

nice, two tw setters

ig talonflame is good against sneasler

think i need to use a fresh alt to test my current team

and i probably need to rework it

[dull ibex]

Wolfes team wasn't wacky tbh

It was insanely well built

It was a perish trap and ohko team it was nuts

[molten oasis]

Eeeeehhhhh it’s still wack

Like it’s Wolfe those teams are well built doesn’t change that it’s a weird team

[cyan smelt]

i reworked my team a bit to add talonflame and i like the look of it now, hopefully it's better

removed dragapult

also looks like i need a twitter account to follow vgc twitter

[dull ibex]

Disagree personally

Dragapult my beloved son

[mighty stump]

Aight

Getting a Pokemon tattoo

[cyan smelt]

lax?

[mighty stump]

Follow my account I wanna hit 200

Nope

I’m getting Unowns printed on my arm

[cyan smelt]

i will once i can get my email back

just have to wait until the 16th

[mighty stump]

Whats up w your email

[mighty stump]

You know well built things can still be wacky right

[cyan smelt]

had a previous account which i deactivated

[mighty stump]

Wakcy doesn’t mean poorly built

[dull ibex]

I'm aware

I don't think it's wacky

[mighty stump]

Why is it not wacky

[dull ibex]

His luck was wacky though

[mighty stump]

Cause it doesn’t fit within the regular meta frame

Is it not an abnormal team

[dull ibex]

Hitting every hypnosis some games

It's too early for me to discuss this ngl

I'm honestly a little surprised Wolfe could make perish trap work in this format

[cyan smelt]

what's his team?

[dull ibex]

I can't explain you need to go look it up

[cyan smelt]

i can't find any youtubes

[dull ibex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_z_6BhKAso

nvm this team is wacky I take it back

[mighty stump]

Red going backsies woooooow

[dull ibex]

its so good though

this definitely is my favorite wacky team ever

vc?

[solid frigate]

yeet

[cyan smelt]

Sneasler is a perfectly fair and balanced pokemon

[dull ibex]

I dont think sneasler is that bad tbch

it is really good though

[solid frigate]

its decent

[dull ibex]

now dire claw

that is something worth complaining about

[solid frigate]

for some cases i think its fine

but like sometimes its just

[dull ibex]

I think its objectively overtuned

its a high chance to any of the three status and its a good move

on a good pokemon

[dull ibex]

I might be on in a bit i might also go to sleep actually

Ill let you know

[knotty mirage]

Yes finally i can use sneasler on my reg H team

Anyone have recommended build for sneasler ?

[cyan smelt]

The wolfey video is not available, he took it down

[mighty stump]

vc

[mighty stump]

its going on Patreon as far as I know

[cyan smelt]

makes sense

[dull ibex]

Based

Were in vc

Weegeecee

[cyan smelt]

do i get greedy with sneasler and give it razor claw?

[dull ibex]

"paralysis is the least impactful status from dire claw" -torrent 🤓

[cyan smelt]

poison is

[dull ibex]

paralysis was more impactful then sleep in my situation

[cyan smelt]

i got a lucky para against the mirror

[dull ibex]

it doesnt help there is literally no status that isnt super impactful

I may lose because of this para

I won because im better then them

[cyan smelt]

nice

[dull ibex]

178

top 200 is sick

im 21-8

[cyan smelt]

nice

[dull ibex]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2217045417

not a single status that isnt super impactful

[cyan smelt]

lol i'm watching someone who made a team of ohko moves

i love sneasler

[dull ibex]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2217046375

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

[cyan smelt]

that's a crazy game

i feel like playing more now, sneasler is fun

[dull ibex]

mine?

[cyan smelt]

yes

[dull ibex]

yeah im doing really well in both cart and showdown

[chrome knot]

that was a tough replay to watch ._.

[cyan smelt]

good to see you doing well red

[dull ibex]

in what way because im curious

[mighty stump]

cause you suc!!!

[dull ibex]

ok pool caller

[mighty stump]

you know you liked it

[dull ibex]

those replays are really funny

[chrome knot]

im thinkin click cc 8 times into ghosts, locking outrage over ddarts when splitting damage is pretty big here & ur team wont take 300,000 damage bc we just ignore zoroark for an hour

[dull ibex]

ok but I didnt click into the ghost I targeted the partner

on the turns I didnt I was anticipating a switch

or a tera

speed ties might be my least favorite part of pokemon honestly

as for outrage yeah fair enough

[mighty stump]

Just don't play into Speed Ties ezpz

[dull ibex]

u suc

[mighty stump]

@dull ibex

an*

[dull ibex]

WHAT IS HAPPENING

[mighty stump]

My next level of roasting: making you roast yourself

[dull ibex]

rejoin vc you coward

[chrome knot]

so by making a hard read(for no reason) you’re just selling your position bc why tf would gholdengo tera or switch when u locked outrage which wont hit it half the time OR a pokemon that physically cannot touch it

[dull ibex]

thats fair

[chrome knot]

so instead im gonna still dragon ddarts but im gonna swap prim early since i know 3/4 mons bc zoroark and try to create an end game that sneasler can always win

[cyan smelt]

i love kingambit

[tawdry urchin]

Anyone know what the best mega/ non mega ou pokemon with a multi hitting move is?

[pallid hare]

mega? that would be heracross

but I dont know if its ou

[tawdry urchin]

Heracross? What multi hitting moves does he have?

[dull ibex]

understandable

im still figuring how outrage works and when I click

[pallid hare]

pin missile, arm thrust and rock blast. It also gets skill link as a mega

[tawdry urchin]

Oh your confused. I mean a move like earthquake

[pallid hare]

oh, never mind then

[tawdry urchin]

[mighty stump]

You used the wrong term, you meant Spread move

[tawdry urchin]

ah ok thx, forgot what it was actually called

[gentle crag]

1uk919 has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[dull ibex]

@mighty stump

mod abuse from tofu

[cyan smelt]

lessgo up to 1400s with a gxe of 66%

still struggling with the gimmick teams though

i'm hardly bringing buzz though

[mighty stump]

good job 👍

[cyan smelt]

ty tofu

[cyan smelt]

so is worth subscribing to wolfey's patreon or is he just on a different level

[solid frigate]

don't sub it

[cyan smelt]

wasn't planning on it

[foggy lodge]

lmao i used sludge bomb into a Whimsicott and lived because they were sash and in the next turn they terastallized Whimsicott into steel type but i used shadow ball to avoid that

well top 1500 on cart ladder i guess it's fine

11-4

[solid frigate]

at least i'm in 1550

In Doubles Randbats-

[torn parrot]

Awwahhh

ITS GREEN

IM NOT USED TO THIS

[cyan smelt]

What's green

[graceful pelican]

is there any ability thats basically propeller tail but not propeller tail?

[cyan smelt]

Stalwart, archaludon

[tiny karma]

Ability: Propeller Tail

This Pokemon's moves cannot be redirected to a different target by any effect.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[cyan smelt]

Besides that nothing else

[graceful pelican]

💔

[real prairie]

funny we were talking about that the other day

think this is where we ended up lol

Tera = Stellar

[cyan smelt]

what team are you running atm?

[real prairie]

me or @graceful pelican ?

[cyan smelt]

you

[real prairie]

oh not that 🤣

but something we spoke about the other day that was tempting me

[graceful pelican]

yeah i was looking at some thing similar to that set, stellar tera seems like the good call to make

i was thinking about running illumise with the barra as a speed tier support and also helping hand boosting with stellar tera

[cyan smelt]

kingambit is goated this reg

[graceful pelican]

i havent really run the calc on it yet but i was thinking of running clear amulet and cc for archaludon

[solid frigate]

the entire Sneasler Pult Balance is GOATED (Kingambit is in that Team)

[real prairie]

with scarf it outspeeds everything in the meta atm, including sash Sneasler and Pult

[solid frigate]

tailwind:

[real prairie]

but to answer your question, this is my go to: https://pokepast.es/8f52076d35a66a46

[cyan smelt]

i'm really tempted to run razor claw sneasler

[graceful pelican]

but then you dont get the speed

[cyan smelt]

i'm running poison touch, it's much better

[real prairie]

there isnt really a supporting move that Barra needs to run that it can't be scarfed

[solid frigate]

Barraskewda @ Life Orb
Ability: Propeller Tail
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Waterfall
• Throat Chop/Poison Jab
• Aqua Jet
• Protect

Just use this and Pair it with a priority Blocker

[graceful pelican]

do you mean scarf in tw outspeeds everything or just scarf?

[real prairie]

just scarf, unless its unburden

[foggy lodge]

Why are people not playing coaching Sneasler lmaooo

[cyan smelt]

poison touch + dire claw is broken

[real prairie]

they are

[real prairie]

the amount of fake out - poison touch ive faced is pissing me off 🤣

RNG a bitch

[cyan smelt]

the only problem for sneasler is gholdengo

and flying types ig

[foggy lodge]

Click Coaching + Rillaboom High Horse gg

[real prairie]

Which is why i like Talonflame, it deals with both

[cyan smelt]

i love clicking sd on gambit

[real prairie]

Priority dual wingbeat destroys Sneasler

[cyan smelt]

i need to start bringing electabuzz if i see talon

haven't brought electabuzz much

[real prairie]

I like to lead electabuzz if i know i have a set up opportunity for Torterra or Ape

[cyan smelt]

i should do that with gambit

[real prairie]

im debating changing my Electabuzz tera to fairy to follow me on dragon types

[cyan smelt]

kingambit don't care about resists

[foggy lodge]

Loaded Dice Dnite

[slender sable]

Since I have to remake my competitive team what is the best rain setter

[foggy lodge]

Pelipper

[slender sable]

K

[bold geode]

What this

[foggy lodge]

Victory Road tournament in spain

[bold geode]

Ah
Is it being streamed?

[foggy lodge]

Yeah
Pokealex in Twitch

Today is also the day 2 of Lima special event

THERE IS A GLACEON TERA ELECTRIC

[bold geode]

Ah

[real prairie]

Very very common solos build

also can we appreciate how much cooler "Teraexplosion" is than "Tera Blast" lol

[cyan smelt]

what's misty explosion in spanish

[real prairie]

explosión brumosa

[cyan smelt]

nice

[foggy lodge]

Yeah almost the same

its actually bruma explosiva but yeah

[real prairie]

wait is that an upper hand Sneasler? I thought i was the only one

[craggy dagger]

ya we’ve seen this before

[foggy lodge]

its coaching

[real prairie]

ah

[craggy dagger]

i wanna try coaching pawmot-

[azure hornet]

I was playing some DOU ladder in Showdown and I saw a team I wanna try to remake o SV, but I don't remember what the pokémon on the 6th slot was, any ideas?

It was a Psych up Latios Volcarona team

Latios / Volcarona / Alolan-Ninetails / Whimsicott / Hisui-Typhlosion / ???

[craggy dagger]

this is singles yes?

[azure hornet]

Doubles

[craggy dagger]

oh

do you remember what attacking moves latios had

[azure hornet]

The guy only used Psych Up and Draco Meteor on the match

[craggy dagger]

prolly psychic then

[foggy lodge]

luster purge

[craggy dagger]

forgot abt that lol

i’m not too sure abt dou but we can try pokemon to see if it true well

redirection could be a thing-
so can psyspam i think-?

[foggy lodge]

Indeedee-F

Block priority to enable psyspam and protect Typhlosion

[craggy dagger]

mhm

[azure hornet]

Hmm

[craggy dagger]

can also be moongus

or dengo?
incin or rilla as well

[foggy lodge]

Rip Glaceon lol

Dondozo balance won

[real prairie]

chatGPT seems to think its Ting-Lu or Iron Hands lol

[azure hornet]

LOL

[craggy dagger]

i can see hands tbh

[azure hornet]

it wasn't i was running incineroar and rillaboom and there weren't any repeats, it could have been ghouldengo

[craggy dagger]

but def not ting lu lol

[craggy dagger]

doubt dengo though

hyper offense with veil seems weird

[azure hornet]

yea

[real prairie]

Heatran?

[azure hornet]

The only thing I remember is that the pokémon I don't remember isn't a lead, cuz the dude lead H-typhlosion and Ninetails

[azure hornet]

No, there were no legendaries

I remembered! It was a maushold. LOL

[craggy dagger]

i’ll do some team sheet testing lol

but have you checked your search replay function?

[azure hornet]

Yea, but there were only 2 singles matches there

[real prairie]

not the redirect id have thought lol

[azure hornet]

me neither lol

[chrome knot]

novaaaaaa ^-^

[real prairie]

although its the one i was running for ages as it has a higher damage output thanks to pop bomb 🤣

[gentle crag]

oneofakindof has given 1 Gen Rep to sutaideru

[spiral ridge]

Maus redirect is fairly common

Mausape

Thanks autocorrect

[azure hornet]

i saw that lol

[azure hornet]

but isn't annihilape Ubers?

[solid frigate]

don't think about OU or Ubers

in VGC they don't matter

[spiral ridge]

Oh are we talking OU rn?

[real prairie]

well yeah, just not the redirect id have thought about for the team that @azure hornet was talking about

Latios / Volcarona / Alolan-Ninetails / Whimsicott / Hisui-Typhlosion / ???

the ??? was Maushold

[spiral ridge]

Lot of those can be hit for a lot by ghol

[real prairie]

id imagine Ghol is ubers

[chrome knot]

baby mode pokemon

[spiral ridge]

So maus for ghost or magmar for heat wave? Idk

[azure hornet]

ik, but I was playing DOU on showdown and trying to remember the last pokémon of the team I went against

[zinc totem]

am i now confirmed good player? @mighty stump

[chrome knot]

any in person results?

@spiral ridge if u were tiered you’d be PU

(stinky)

[spiral ridge]

[real prairie]

Apparently achieving masterball rank puts you inside the top 15% of global players, not including those outside of ladder. Realistically probably fair to say you are in the top 1% of all pokemon players world wide

the fact you are also No: 83, you specifically may be top 0.5% or better 🤷

[zinc totem]

if this is true

big IF

[torn parrot]

I feel like I have to know bad JJK is

[zinc totem]

master ball tier is pretty easy achieve o nce you get into ultra ball

[torn parrot]

I can kinda beleive 15% is masterball

Most people are just casuals

[real prairie]

i mean, the numbers behind those statistics are still extremely high

[zinc totem]

what source you have for it

[torn parrot]

I guess the mysterious number on Pokémon home that we don’t know what it indicates

But

I find it impossible to beleive there’s 120k players

[zinc totem]

its also pretty lame you're losing ranking when not playing soi might fall back to top 200

[real prairie]

Estimation mathematics,

[zinc totem]

ig when ZA is coming so people not much playing sv anyways

[zinc totem]

you mathed it yourself with which data or heard from where?

[real prairie]

if there are presently only 120k players then you wont be in that high of a percentile, i was going on average data. (300-500k players per season)

[torn parrot]

I think that number is fucked in some way

Like split between singles and doubles or something

• causal battles

[foggy lodge]

paul chua's team won the vr tour

A9 Chomp is sooo good

[torn parrot]

Eyaaa

[molten oasis]

I wish it worked on not that set of 6

[real prairie]

but back to general player base statistics 25mil copies of Scarlet and Violet were sold, even if we go with a very broad and high estimation of 500k players in a ladder season, and 15% of those 500k make it to Master ball, thats 75k, you are 84/75,000 supposedly. you are 0.112th percentile.

[molten oasis]

I tried av Bloodmoon last night, 1600 w/ 70% gxe again lol

[zinc totem]

but thats not really realistically cuz some of those could be better players

[molten oasis]

It feels really strong tbh

[zinc totem]

they just dont play ranked

or ladder at all

if we also count those who are certified worlds players, it also is kinda questionable

[real prairie]

well yeah, there are always outliers

[zinc totem]

which probably wont even play ranked in-game ladder in sv

[real prairie]

but based off the information we have, its a safe thing to say statistically that you are top 1% of the global pokemon player base

[foggy lodge]

japanese players are probably the only ones that tryhard on ladder lol

[zinc totem]

i kinda beat them up

[foggy lodge]

atleast in cart ladder

[real prairie]

now if we reduce those perameters and say you are in the top 1% of the pokemon competitive scene we may be lying

[foggy lodge]

because their format is bo1 cts so yeh

[zinc totem]

well bo1 ladder need be in consideration so thats why i was like "wtf is he talking about"

i mean team isnt doing that bad in bo3 either

out of 10 games i did, i win like 7

which 1 was loss cuz i miss d meteor

[real prairie]

there a BO3 on cart now in ranked?

[zinc totem]

it was in showdown

i use SD to test my teams in bo3 and bo1, combine results and decide if i build team or not

if im on positive total combined, team is good ernough for cart

the im going see how i fare in cart before i start thinking fixes

[mighty stump]

I wouldn’t say it’s bad, it just tapered off at the end cause Gege didn’t like what he was writing and it showed somewhat

[mighty stump]

around 200k players actually

[real prairie]

So my estimations aren't far off

[mighty stump]

Arguably

“Good” is subjective

[torn parrot]

DAYUM NICE! You’ve been on a roll

[mighty stump]

Master Ball is still going to be just the welcome mat

Unless your finishing elo is super good

and if you can pull it off consistently

Like UB_Slow finished 1st like 3 seasons in a row

Plus, as Emma said, in person and tour results are another method beyond laddering

[torn parrot]

I feel like it has to be split between doubles and singles because when you look at both of them the numbers are identical on Pokémon home

[mighty stump]

Sure, but I’ve seen 6 figure mball rankings before

Plus

[torn parrot]

Ye I know
It’s usually like 300k

I just mean I find it impossible to beleive it’s all doubles players

[mighty stump]

The number, albeit identical, is still different

It’s not a long shot to believe 300k total

Its around 120k for each format at the moment which is fine since we’re later into the lifespan

[molten oasis]

I’ve gotten the hang of the way the format plays I think

I’m having more fun with this team than the sneasler pult team I have

[foggy lodge]

the bullshit brothers

[craggy dagger]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2217256102

i lost the game but oh well

good to know that pachi lives a +1 draco meteor on a roll

[zinc totem]

oh yea he wanterd kill MC

he hates his own main character yuuji

[foggy lodge]

would will o wisp Tauros work?

hmmmm

[zinc totem]

i mean yeah cud chew bulky one

[foggy lodge]

Why cud chew when intimidate exists

[zinc totem]

ig intimidate with will-o-wisp also wwould work

well it would be pretty fun throw at defiant ape or defiant kingambit with mirror herb and then just will-o-wisp their ass

[torn parrot]

It’s true it’s different but here’s the thing tho

It’s nearly identical every single season with a 20 player difference

So some weirdness has to be afoot

This is way too consistent

[foggy lodge]

https://pokepast.es/ff47847a5be6f356

wrong Dnite evs oops

[real prairie]

@mighty stump https://www.instagram.com/reel/C-VG5nVssJR/?igsh=NWQ2NnNncGpsM2dj

[craggy dagger]

yum
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2217268441

[chrome knot]

WHY DID IT CLICK FLARE BLITZ

[craggy dagger]

:3

[real prairie]

asked Chat GPT to finish a team with ludicolo... what do we think, do i run it? 🤣
Ludicolo Team

1. Ludicolo (Water/Grass)

   • Ability: Rain Dish (or Swift Swim for speed in rain)
   • Item: Damp Rock (if running Swift Swim) or Sitrus Berry
   • Nature: Modest or Timid
   • Moves:
     • Hydro Pump
     • Giga Drain
     • Ice Beam
     • Rain Dance / Protect

2. Pelipper (Water/Flying)

   • Ability: Drizzle
   • Item: Leftovers
   • Nature: Calm
   • Moves:
     • Hurricane
     • Scald
     • U-turn
     • Tailwind / Roost

3. Tropius (Grass/Flying)

   • Ability: Harvest
   • Item: Sitrus Berry
   • Nature: Impish
   • Moves:
     • Leaf Storm
     • Air Slash
     • Leech Seed
     • Protect

4. Gardevoir (Psychic/Fairy)

   • Ability: Telepathy
   • Item: Choice Specs or Focus Sash
   • Nature: Timid
   • Moves:
     • Moonblast
     • Psychic
     • Mystical Fire
     • Protect / Hyper Voice

5. Scizor (Bug/Steel)

   • Ability: Technician
   • Item: Choice Band or Life Orb
   • Nature: Adamant
   • Moves:
     • Bullet Punch
     • U-turn
     • Pursuit
     • Roost

6. Milotic (Water)

   • Ability: Marvel Scale
   • Item: Flame Orb / Leftovers
   • Nature: Bold
   • Moves:
     • Scald
     • Ice Beam
     • Recover
     • Haze / Toxic

[craggy dagger]

does milotic get toxic this gen?

[real prairie]

probably not

[craggy dagger]

the team itself doesnt seem too bad lol

[real prairie]

same way pretty sure Pelipper doesn't get Scald anymore

[craggy dagger]

you can tweak it but like
it looks okay
my only question is
tropius?

[real prairie]

i have no idea, ill ask it

[dense latch]

damp rock ludicolo new meta

[solid frigate]

it does not

[molten oasis]

no instead theres the people that try coil hypnosis shit lol

[solid frigate]

i think ChatGPT is using Smogon OU mostly cuz who the fuck wants to remove Prot for Hyper Voice in Gardevoir's Set

[real prairie]

Tropius in that team serves as a utility Pokémon, providing supportive elements through its ability Harvest and the move Leech Seed, which helps sustain the team while chipping away at the opponent’s health. It works well in a stall or defensive strategy, where you can wear down opponents and heal up consistently thanks to Sitrus Berry and Harvest.

Here's the reasoning for Tropius in the context of the team:

Bulk and Sustain: With an Impish nature and Sitrus Berry, Tropius becomes a sturdy defensive wall, especially with access to Leech Seed and Protect for recovery and stall tactics. The Harvest ability allows it to continuously recover with Sitrus Berry, making it even harder to take down.

Typing Synergy: Tropius provides additional Grass-type coverage, complementing Ludicolo and helping the team handle bulky Water- and Ground-types. Its Flying type also helps defensively, resisting Fighting-type moves that could be troublesome for Gardevoir and Scizor.

Air Slash and Leaf Storm: These offensive moves give Tropius a bit of pressure against opposing Water, Ground, and Grass types. Though it’s more defensive in this role, Air Slash provides some offensive presence and has a flinch chance, while Leaf Storm can be used when you need a strong Grass attack.

Rain Support: Tropius doesn’t directly benefit from the rain like Pelipper or Ludicolo, but it doesn't hinder the rain strategy either. It provides a different type of sustain, allowing the rest of the team to apply pressure while Tropius supports through healing and chip damage.

The Tropius build is mainly about support and longevity, making it fit into a more defensive or stall-oriented strategy. However, if you prefer more offensive or synergistic options, other choices might suit rain teams better depending on how you want to play the team overall.

[gentle crag]

oneofakindof has given 1 Gen Rep to interstellar_latte

[molten oasis]

why are you relying on ai to fix your team

and tropius is garbage lol

[solid frigate]

AI suckass

[real prairie]

im not, im having a laugh

[craggy dagger]

Floatzel (Core Sweeper)
Ability: Swift Swim
Item: Life Orb / Mystic Water
Nature: Adamant / Jolly
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 HP
Moves:
Waterfall / Liquidation (STAB, boosted by rain)
Ice Spinner (Coverage against Dragon, Grass, and Flying types)
Crunch (Coverage for Psychic/Ghost types)
Protect (Standard in VGC for scouting)

Pelipper (Rain Setter)
Ability: Drizzle
Item: Focus Sash / Damp Rock
Nature: Modest / Bold
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Moves:
Hurricane (Strong Flying-type STAB move, accuracy boosted by rain)
Hydro Pump / Surf (Powerful Water-type STAB boosted by rain)
Tailwind (Speed control for the rest of your team)
Protect

Kingdra (Secondary Sweeper)
Ability: Swift Swim
Item: Life Orb / Choice Specs
Nature: Modest / Timid
EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 HP
Moves:
Hydro Pump (Strong STAB in rain)
Draco Meteor (Powerful Dragon-type STAB)
Hurricane (For Grass types and other coverage)
Protect

Amoonguss (Redirector/Utility)
Ability: Regenerator
Item: Sitrus Berry / Rocky Helmet
Nature: Calm / Bold
EVs: 252 HP / 172 Def / 84 SpD
Moves:
Spore (For disrupting opponents with Sleep)
Rage Powder (To protect your sweepers from targeted attacks)
Pollen Puff (Heals allies and does decent Bug-type damage)
Protect

Garchomp (Physical Coverage Attacker)
Ability: Rough Skin
Item: Choice Scarf / Assault Vest
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 HP
Moves:
Earthquake (Strong spread damage)
Dragon Claw (Reliable STAB Dragon move)
Rock Slide (Provides coverage and flinch chance)
Protect

Talonflame (Speed and Utility Support)
Ability: Gale Wings
Item: Covert Cloak / Focus Sash
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Spe / 4 Atk
Moves:
Tailwind (Speed control)
Brave Bird (Priority Flying-type STAB with Gale Wings)
Flare Blitz (Fire-type coverage, useful against Steel types)
Taunt / Protect (Prevent setup or scout)

[dense latch]

yeah there’s like one protect and that’s for leech seed stuff with tropius this is 100% a singles team

and a bad one at that i’d argue

[craggy dagger]

honestly-?
not bad
asides from the fact that it suggested tornadus before lmao

[solid frigate]

just run Eggexcutor if you want Harvest-

[molten oasis]

holy shit a semi real team

[craggy dagger]

thats from gpt lmao

[molten oasis]

get rid of kingdra for archaludon and its good

[real prairie]

what was your prompt?

[spiral ridge]

Chat gpt teams wtf is going on here 😭

[dense latch]

as far as AI teams go that last one is actually decent

[real prairie]

checks notes... "having a laugh"

[craggy dagger]

Make me a VGC Regulation H team centered around floatzel

replace tornadus with a pokemon that isnt a legendary

[zinc totem]

it foes get hyponosis and coil

[solid frigate]

i did use ChatGPT to make me a Reg G Team for funni and they give me Giratina

Thats already a bad sign

[zinc totem]

oh i've med reg H team around floatzel

[craggy dagger]

maybe we ignore the uhhhhh
EVs but yk

[dense latch]

having tflame and pelipper feels kinda overkill too

[craggy dagger]

this is what i have rn
https://pokepast.es/b15924cdfa7f5d24

[zinc totem]

enjoy trying this out

[dense latch]

the first three and last three feel like two different reams

[solid frigate]

that Talonflame Set looks meh without wisp

[craggy dagger]

ok but for an AI team?
thats kinda
looking good lmao

[real prairie]

id have thought flip turn on a choice banded Floaty

[zinc totem]

thats not AI team btw

[solid frigate]

that is basically Gen 6 Talonflame lmao

[zinc totem]

its made by me, based on my zacian reg G

[craggy dagger]

ehh

[solid frigate]

i can hear Drago complained it

[craggy dagger]

no no the one i sent-
that massive text wall

[craggy dagger]

this this

[zinc totem]

haha, tbf it turned out pretty good

[molten oasis]

[zinc totem]

but i edited it after awhile, made it into tera grass and flipturn changed into protect

[molten oasis]

sword doggy

[solid frigate]

the moveset is alright

It's just floatzel here kinda could be replace by Shifu

we talked about this before

[molten oasis]

yea i would no hesitation get rid of floatzel for shifu

[zinc totem]

i eman anything can yeah replace by shifu or bascu but i liked floatzel more

[molten oasis]

and fluttermane, cuz fuck fluttermane, for lando i

[dense latch]

yeah urshifu kinda makes all other physical water types obsolete

[zinc totem]

support flutter just was amazing

[zinc totem]

but i beat shifu teams so i was happy

[solid frigate]

and Entei replace Incin could be fun

[molten oasis]

i never liked flutter with zac

[molten oasis]

it works better with zama imo

[solid frigate]

but still works i guess

[zinc totem]

but for january i have shiny now

[molten oasis]

although my very last zacian team doesn't have a fire type

i have a shiny one too i just kinda prefer its original colors

[dense latch]

that picture goes kinda hard icl

[solid frigate]

I'm bringing New team comp for Birmingham

[tiny karma]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani/zacian-crowned.gif

[zinc totem]

goes harder

[tiny karma]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani-shiny/zacian-crowned.gif

[molten oasis]

the darker blue and pink look and contrast a lot better

[zinc totem]

didnt have zama and i pref zacian more

[zinc totem]

its orange not pink

[molten oasis]

that wasnt meant for you?

[molten oasis]

???

ITS PINK

[solid frigate]

Pinkish Orange alright.

[zinc totem]

orange

thhat hasnt seen pink ever

[foggy lodge]

https://www.youtube.com/live/h00Sw37C3Gs?si=4aIjo9HcQJyza3hL

[zinc totem]

its more orangeish

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/zacian-gif-26157500

[foggy lodge]

Lima special event final coming in a few minutes

[molten oasis]

its pinkish orage

i've always seen pink not orange

[solid frigate]

can we just say Pinkish Orange and call it for the day

[zinc totem]

sure

[solid frigate]

i don't know if i should Use Pagos again for Reg G Wave 2

[foggy lodge]

i will use zacian hehe

[zinc totem]

once gen 10 it becomes obselete so better use it while you can

[foggy lodge]

with ogerpon teal mask

[zinc totem]

with shiny zacian i 100% will build zacian teams

and if i get shiny zama from PoGo i guess i can make zama team too

[solid frigate]

not necessary obselete,cuz funny enough Starstorm does more damage in single target with STAB

Its Stellar version isn't STAB

but eh

Pagos is my second Main so

[zinc totem]

i mean it loses its multihit and it feels hit less without stellar tera

[zinc totem]

i just wish we had xerneas that would give to Shadow rider its money's worth

[foggy lodge]

i think my main restrictes is Zamazenta

and Koraidon is the second

[solid frigate]

Miraidon would be my wave 2 Reg G Main

wave 1 is Pagos

[zinc totem]

for me Zacian,Zacian,Zacian

maybe occassional sneasler miraidon

[craggy dagger]

whyyyyyy

[solid frigate]

i did try Galar Weezing with the Doggos

[craggy dagger]

shadow rider is cool though-

[foggy lodge]

try Geezing with Caly dow

[zinc totem]

its just busted mon

[foggy lodge]

And Dozogiri

[zinc totem]

peple dont like it

[solid frigate]

its not neutralising Gas Weezing btw

Misty Surge

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/confusion-confused-look-questions-why-why-me-gif-17660966

[foggy lodge]

i prefer CalyDow over CalyIce

CalyDow atleast has many good sets and variety

Caly Ice is always the same lol

[zinc totem]

not gonna like i prefer reg H over reg G beacuse finally people can actually feel like real pokemon battle and that skill matters

reg G is basically "whoever has more busted restricted wins"

[solid frigate]

not really

[foggy lodge]

Lol

All formats are skillfull

[solid frigate]

Calyrex Shadow is the most busted Restricted when it did not even made Top cut in worlds

[molten oasis]

all formats take skill

[zinc totem]

some take less and some take more

[molten oasis]

the depiction of "this doesn't take skill" is copium

[foggy lodge]

The factor i hated about reg G was that it was a march up roulette

[craggy dagger]

so true

[zinc totem]

tho it was pretty funny that one dude that probs was only Zacian in worlds got disqualified cuz hacked

[solid frigate]

its just which format is your best

Just because i am good in Reg F and G does not mean i am not skillfull

[molten oasis]

reg g was a mu roulette depending on your restricted

[craggy dagger]

yeahhhh

[molten oasis]

unless you were a caly or miraidon you were gambling

[solid frigate]

as a Pagos Main in Wave 1

Yep.

[molten oasis]

people are also gonna use good mons to win

[zinc totem]

its more that in Reg G, mid players considers themselves good when they actually are mid. That was more my point. Ofcourse more skilled player, better they will do but when you think about general competitive side, some people think they're good cuz they spam one button and wins somehow

[molten oasis]

which shouldn't be depicted as no skill cuz thats stupid

[foggy lodge]

if the other player can just spam one button and win i think you have to reconsider how you approach the match up tbh

[molten oasis]

correct

[zinc totem]

but This is something MoxieBoosted said, reg H is where the mid players will learn they are mid cause they need actual skill to win now

[solid frigate]

don't rely on other's Opinions as the main opinion

Moxie himself is mid player

[molten oasis]

thats not reaaaalllly true

i think reg g was a bit harder than reg h due to the power level

[zinc totem]

power creep is what makes things needing less skill

but when its taken away, people who rely that power creep notices that they're actually worse than they can be. But those who shines both without and with are good

[molten oasis]

what?

[foggy lodge]

People can be better in a format and worse in other formats

eduardo cunha i think? He is a beast in restricteds formats

and that doesn't make him a mid player

[solid frigate]

Hell Wolfey won worlds on a restricted format and that does not make him a mid player

[molten oasis]

so because they did well with legendaries and now they dont have those they're bad players?

[solid frigate]

this is basically people play legendaries are win button

In reality only like 3 restricteds can take that title in this reg

[zinc totem]

for me also in experience between two, reg G made me feel very decent player but when reg H came around, i was so bad but eventually i learned how to be better on reg H meaning it shows to me atleast that in restricted format, power creep just made me feel like i was decent when i was actually trash

[molten oasis]

no cuz adjusting to no legendaries after playing legendaries for like a year was a major throw off

[zinc totem]

and people who rely on restricted powerrs feels they are good so when trhat is taken away, it shows if they actually good or not

[foggy lodge]

True

[solid frigate]

https://youtu.be/8GZKSfHULvo?si=GSWeyvdnb-NJU0v7

Exzlu watch this video

[zinc totem]

in restricted format you're relying a lot on stand alone mon power level

[molten oasis]

i didnt

[foggy lodge]

That doesn't really make too much sense when 2/3 worlds of a gen are played with legendaries so xd

[molten oasis]

i played zacian lmao

[zinc totem]

but those who doesnt rely they're good players, but when thinking most of player base, they are

[foggy lodge]

but there exist checks for restricteds in form of regular Pokemon

[solid frigate]

i played Pagos and that restricted literally is me playing as a royal guard with the supports

[molten oasis]

i think youre depiction of restricteds is flawed

[foggy lodge]

Volcarona countered Zamazenta/Zacian, Inci checked Lunala, Urshifu checked Terapagos

[zinc totem]

i mean c-mon, most teams was urshifu, tornadus,landoryus and teams were atleast 4-5 mon legendaries in most teams

[molten oasis]

incin check caly's too

[solid frigate]

again,i think everyone has to watch this video

[zinc totem]

urshifu is not regular pokemon btw

[foggy lodge]

Alex Underhill, popular hard Trick room team only played Calyrex Ice as a legendary lol

[molten oasis]

tf you mean shifu isnt a regular pokemon

[zinc totem]

funny enough urshifu is legendary pokemon that evolves from kubfu, i thinkts 2nd lergendary that has pre-evo?

[molten oasis]

shifu is the best pokemon in the game imo

[zinc totem]

its literally LEGENDARY pokemon

[foggy lodge]

https://pokepast.es/fa5a7635e95db8dd lol

[molten oasis]

oh ic

[solid frigate]

Cosmog Line,Poipole line

[torn parrot]

I think restricted metas are shit

And not even because of the concept behind it

But because restricts are on completely different levels from each other

Making some completely unfair and others completely useless worse than a regular Pokemon

like 4 mons end up even getting anywhere significant because they are just unfair pokemon

Basically gamefreak is shit at balancing

[zinc totem]

if shifu was regular pokemon, it would be in reg H

[foggy lodge]

Reg G had def a problem in balance because only 10 restricteds were good

[molten oasis]

i'd be fine with that unironically

i like urshifu

[foggy lodge]

but we'll just have to wait if other restricteds become good in GS 2

[zinc totem]

an yhow brb time to walk Pretty

[solid frigate]

compare to like Gen 6

only 4

which honestly i think its fine cuz Powercreep is everywhere.

And we have to deal with it

[torn parrot]

Also on the personal side reg G just stresses me out

Always terrified of being nuked

Have to plan ahead for being nuked

[foggy lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/miraidon-pokemon-vgc-violet-electric-terrain-gif-12584623631968381813

[solid frigate]

thats really double standards-

[molten oasis]

you dont do that nowadays?

[solid frigate]

you want to not be nuked yet you want to nuke others?

[molten oasis]

sd gambit feels like that rn

same with np dengo

[foggy lodge]

Facade Ursaluna

[molten oasis]

bloodmoon from bloodmoon

[solid frigate]

Archaludon after +2 Defense or SpA

[foggy lodge]

Every format will find a way to get an absurd nuke damage in a team

[molten oasis]

wood hammer lol

[torn parrot]

Nukes from regular mons are nothing compared to restricted

I can usually just muddle through

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/fbb5e807bef8182b tofu gave me this to try out bloodmoon dengo stuff, like i have 2 mon that can wipe out a game

[molten oasis]

fair enough

[molten oasis]

by themselves

[torn parrot]

I never played restricted nuke buttons

[foggy lodge]

Misty Terrain Clefable is goated

[solid frigate]

then its your problem

[molten oasis]

damn wtf

[solid frigate]

actually no when Blood Moon is comparable to Restricted level of Damage

Not Miraidon but still

[dapper crag]

Anybody playing sword/shield today?

[torn parrot]

Bloodmoon isn’t spammable

Restricteds can spam their bloodmoon-like attacks all they want

Ussually double target

[torn parrot]

What you mean my problem?

I didn’t say it was your problem

[craggy dagger]

it is encorable though
so it can fire twice

[solid frigate]

you can't say you don't use the nukable mons and blame the Format,its your option that you use that restricted

if you hate the format cuz of the rotational matchup system

ok i agree on it

[torn parrot]

No you told me I use the nukable mons and don’t want to be nuked

So I said no I don’t

[solid frigate]

ok fair point but here's the thing:

I don't think its hateable honestly

Nuking happens every format its just which pokemon does it

[spiral ridge]

Can you encore your own?

Whimsi tailwind encore BM

[craggy dagger]

yeah

[solid frigate]

honestly i am actually a bit curious on it

[spiral ridge]

Sounds awfully lovely

[solid frigate]

[spiral ridge]

Now I wanna try this

Fuck when will I have time to piss about again

[solid frigate]

dew it

[torn parrot]

There’s limits to that 🫵

It can’t just keep getting so power crept that everything just one shots everything

It’s not fun for me it’s stressful

[spiral ridge]

I get your point restricted are definitely way stronger with their nukes but didn’t we have mons that were tanking them and fighting back?

Like iron hands flutter urshifu are examples of mons that were keeping up with them no?

[solid frigate]

and power creep is about to happen,we just try how to adapt it

[foggy lodge]

Light Screen Whimsicott and Grimmsnarl were an adaptation to tank the nuke

[spiral ridge]

Sus anti trick room for caly

And on same side as caly with pollen puff bs

[torn parrot]

When your forced to do things like that to avoid just being blown up it’s annoying

Power creep is shit we all know this

[solid frigate]

but its the thing we have to adapt through it

[spiral ridge]

I mean those with the things I said above
Sure you’re forced but same times there’s quite a few choices for whatever play style you like

I get it being annoying just gotta do what we gotta do

[solid frigate]

its like real life,how can we pay Taxes better

[spiral ridge]

Okay what mate

Sorry that just caught me so fucking off guard

[torn parrot]

Yes we adapt, but but me am the saying I don’t like it

And that’s perfectly okay for me to hate all of the many strong scary things

It’s okay that you like it
I just like reg H so much more

[dapper crag]

Knock
Knock

[solid frigate]

ik it was a bad thing to say but its kinda make sense

[spiral ridge]

Was that your first point okay yeah that’s totally fine.

I came in a little late shoulda backread sorry

People will like regs over others no issue sorry about arguing

[torn parrot]

The first thing I said is that all of the nukes stressed me out so I don’t like reg G

Then I was accused of double standards

[dapper crag]

Holy shit I do believe I’ve found the secret to permanent invisibility

[spiral ridge]

Ima backread before I comment more then one second love

[dapper crag]

Everytime I’ve commented here the last few weeks. As invisible as solid snake: I’m not even butthurt, just impressed

[spiral ridge]

Another convo is going on stopping it for knock knock is odd

[dapper crag]

Yeah except knock knock was
Me just

Lol nevermind

[spiral ridge]

And uh maya yeah I get the stressful thing it definitely is and point of seeing same mons yeah. That does happen in other regs too but the other level thing is true.
I get where you’re coming from sorry if I pressed you

[dapper crag]

Yeap you right

[dapper crag]

Thanks for proving my point

[gentle crag]

hankthedrunkyhomospaien has given 1 Gen Rep to scottyboi7422

[spiral ridge]

I see your sword shield message above it’s just. Still that same convo was going on

[dapper crag]

I know

Look I’m
Not butt hurt

I just tried a couple times previously

[spiral ridge]

Okay I thought the thanks for proving my point was 😭

[dapper crag]

And it was during heated conversation

[solid frigate]

not a lot of people here play SWSH pvp so can't help ya

[dapper crag]

So I get it

[spiral ridge]

Swsh in specific I’ve never played comp scene

[dapper crag]

I have violet

I just like the drip I get to wear in shield :p

[solid frigate]

its where Dynamax kinda balances Urshifu lol

[dense latch]

there’s some drip in the dlc

[spiral ridge]

Dude yes I miss swsh drip

[dapper crag]

Anyway. I’ve awkwardly inserted myself into the conversation. Mission failed successfully

[dense latch]

but nowhere close to swsh

[foggy lodge]

i miss my SwSh character

[spiral ridge]

I’ve heard dyna can’t be flinched which means incin slightly worse wooo

[foggy lodge]

The Regieleki hoodie was so fucking cool

[spiral ridge]

I’m a punk :3

[graceful pelican]

ah anyone looking at using golduck with cloud nine? like if you have a fast u turner could you swap in and delay an archaludon signature move?

[spiral ridge]

Torn denim and all

I see it for DA sometimes

[dapper crag]

I use ground and ice Pokémon

[dense latch]

tera is so much better than dynamax as a gimmick if im being honest

[spiral ridge]

Goldie I haven’t seen but I’ve seen some Altaria

[dapper crag]

And my trainer has the perfect drip I feel like

[spiral ridge]

I miss Megas purely cus I’m a character design person but Tera’s are quite good competitively yeah

Some dyna forms looks awesome as fuck though

I hate how static tera design is

Just oger and terapa

[graceful pelican]

unfortuantley lickitung isnt legal in this format or else i think eviolite with cloud nine would be strong

[spiral ridge]

I love those 5 don’t get me wrong

[foggy lodge]

😭

[spiral ridge]

Lmao

[dense latch]

yeah tera is arguably the worst design wise but the best competitively

[spiral ridge]

I miss cool ass mega designs

Garchomp I dig even though it was ass

Stat wise

[graceful pelican]

well if they used megas to address powercreep instead of boosting some of the best pokemon it would be sick too, but i guess the whole losing an item slot and only once per battle really means megas have to over take the best pokemon as a form of balance

[solid frigate]

Megas aren't worth that much and only a few works

[spiral ridge]

Some were busted

Parental bond notably

Can’t remember how to spell the mons name to /data lmao

[solid frigate]

Kangaskhan,Salamence,Both Zard Megas,Metagross,Blaziken in Singles

Is there more?

i am not counting Primals and Rayquaza

[spiral ridge]

Uhh

[craggy dagger]

aerilate :3

[spiral ridge]

Sableye I thought

Or am I crazy

[solid frigate]

its flying Pixilate and i love it

[spiral ridge]

Yeah

[solid frigate]

Oh Yeah Gardevoir's Mega is good as well

[spiral ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/sableye-mega-pokemon-gif-27025365

[solid frigate]

Mega Sableye idk

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 376: Metagross-Mega

Types

Steel/Psychic

Abilities

Tough Claws

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

80/145/150/105/110/110

Total

700

Base Species

Metagross

Sableye version 4.28.1

[spiral ridge]

I always imagine the gem like thrice his size I find it funnier like that

[solid frigate]

HOW DID I FORGOT GENGAR

[spiral ridge]

OH FUCK YEAH GENGAR HAHA

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 302: Sableye-Mega

Types

Dark/Ghost

Abilities

Magic Bounce

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

50/85/125/85/115/20

Total

480

Base Species

Sableye

Sableye version 4.28.1

[spiral ridge]

20

[craggy dagger]

alakazam

[spiral ridge]

Okay magic bounce is alright but not mega worthy

[solid frigate]

thats only been good in singles i think

[spiral ridge]

Unless follow me or some shit

[craggy dagger]

gengar

[spiral ridge]

Was said :3

[solid frigate]

Venusaur was good once i think?

[craggy dagger]

technically sharpedo

both mewtwos lol

despite their abilities being mid

[solid frigate]

Mewtwo i am not sure
Sharpedo ehhhhhhhhh

[craggy dagger]

steadfast n insomnia

mewtwo was really strong tho

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Pokémon No. 150: Mewtwo-Mega-Y

Type

Psychic

Abilities

Insomnia

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

106/150/70/194/120/140

Total

780

Base Species

Mewtwo

Sableye version 4.28.1

[spiral ridge]

Ash Greninja when

[solid frigate]

but does it worth your Mega AND Restricted Slot tho

[craggy dagger]

we dont talk about that almost 200 base special attack?

[solid frigate]

might as well use Palafin-

[spiral ridge]

But Greninja :(

Say that to my boys face

[solid frigate]

i understand the realisation that let me not using Ash greninja everytime on teambuild

[craggy dagger]

highest base special i think?

[solid frigate]

sure its my favourite mon but still

[solid frigate]

mewtwo Y yea

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Pokémon No. 898: Calyrex-Shadow

Types

Psychic/Ghost

Abilities

As One (Spectrier)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/85/80/165/100/150

Total

680

Base Species

Calyrex

Sableye version 4.28.1

[spiral ridge]

Yeah by 35 points

At least i think caly would be gunning for second

[craggy dagger]

nope

deoxys attack is 2nd lol

[spiral ridge]

Ah

[craggy dagger]

its literally built for attack lmao

[spiral ridge]

True

Deoxys rayquaza throwing absolute hands on sight whenever they see each other

[craggy dagger]

smth like this

[spiral ridge]

Ah special forms makes sense

Caly not even appearing I was off

Though it’s tied with the bottom two

[solid frigate]

also Ash Greninja was worse than Palafin if i make an arguement

You have to kill 1 mon to transform or Moxie Boost and you only have 3 more mons to kill which is not valuable for long run

Sure you have a special attack stat of a Regular Kyogre but can you transform it fast enough,and its gonna fucking die to 1 move if you don't have sash

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Pokémon No. 213: Shuckle

Types

Bug/Rock

Abilities

Sturdy, Gluttony, Contrary (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

20/10/230/10/230/5

Total

505

Sableye version 4.28.1

[craggy dagger]

RAHHHHHH

230 in both defenses

[solid frigate]

thats why Chansey Guard Swap

[spiral ridge]

YEAHHHH DHUCKLE

I WAS ABOUT TO JOKE ON SHUCKLE

nova remember my original horrible teams?

From years ago

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Move: Guard Swap

The user swaps its Defense and Special Defense stat stage changes with the target.

Type

Psychic

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Authentic

Bypasses substitute.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[spiral ridge]

Shuckle used to be on most as just a tank to sit there even though it was singles cus kid brain was like “one of best of every stat makes a balanced team”

[solid frigate]

thats just-

[spiral ridge]

I was a kid please

[solid frigate]

fair

[spiral ridge]

The shuckle also notably didn’t have shell smash

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Move: Power Trick

The user swaps its Attack and Defense stats, and stat stage changes remain on their respective stats. This move can be used again to swap the stats back. If the user uses Baton Pass, the replacement will have its Attack and Defense stats swapped if the effect is active. If the user has its stats recalculated by changing forme while its stats are swapped, this effect is ignored but is still active for the purposes of Baton Pass.

Type

Psychic

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Snatch

Affected by Snatch.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[craggy dagger]

cause it gets this

[spiral ridge]

I had no clue what I was doing and had a zero attacking move blaziken

[craggy dagger]

you now have a
230 base into both attacks shuckle

[spiral ridge]

Jesus Christ I’ve not seen that

[solid frigate]

its not a turtle i think it looks like one but not really

[spiral ridge]

It has a shell love

Not all shells belong on turtles

The literal animation on showdown shows a clam shell 😭

[solid frigate]

fair

[solid frigate]

in Pokemon games as well don't worry

[spiral ridge]

Cool

[craggy dagger]

okay but like

if it breaks its shell it’s dead

[solid frigate]

but Terapagos does not get Shell Smash THANK GOD.

Cuz i would see everyone uses it

[craggy dagger]

also with base 10 attacking stats who tf would use shell smash

[spiral ridge]

That’s why herb :3
Medicine to fix it

[solid frigate]

lol

i can't Imagine Terapagos Gets Shell Smash-

[spiral ridge]

Some random YouTuber who says they’re good by facing low Elo kids in singles and uses cheese strats

[solid frigate]

yeah but nope for long run

[spiral ridge]

I’m just saying who would use it

[craggy dagger]

i present:
multi hit moves

[spiral ridge]

Shell smash so you get a bit more defense after psych up

[craggy dagger]

priority moves ✨

[spiral ridge]

Kids won’t know to use that love

Trust me
I’m an example

[solid frigate]

6 year olds after they see Multi hit and Priority Moves:CHEATER

[spiral ridge]

ITS NOT FAIRRR

[solid frigate]

or even then Status Moves

they would say its hacks

[spiral ridge]

Me getting my worlds rental team to go beat up my little cousin cus they talked a singular ounce of smack

[craggy dagger]

thats me when i get paralyzed for 10 turns in a row

[spiral ridge]

That would happen to you

[solid frigate]

hell i bully others before with my Old Pagos team and they cry

[craggy dagger]

it has

way too many times

[spiral ridge]

[solid frigate]

Me with Double Freeze from Kyurem White Twice:

[spiral ridge]

I have shitbsleep luck. I’m pretty okay with para

[solid frigate]

eh

i guess

[spiral ridge]

Wdym I guess I’m just saying what happens to me lmao

You gonna correct my own history 😭

[solid frigate]

do i have to play Wildfire everytime to beat the Ice Type Restricteds lol

[craggy dagger]

lmao

[solid frigate]

i got double Freeze twice lemme cope

[spiral ridge]

Freeze hurts yeah

[solid frigate]

i got Double Freeze'd by Lyco and Drago's Kyurem White-

Lyco with Spec Kyurem,Drago with AV Kyurem

[craggy dagger]

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/bruh-cold-gif-13280369

yeah thats why i play Wildfire everytime i fight a Ice Type Restricted

just hope i don't get freezed

[spiral ridge]

I

Got freeze and status in general spammed a few times

Notably all oncart which means I was streaming it

[craggy dagger]

[solid frigate]

F

[spiral ridge]

Monkey and nova can both tell you I was NOT happy

[solid frigate]

thats me when i got Double Freezed

[craggy dagger]

it was

funny though

[spiral ridge]

NOT TO ME
until the day after than I was laughing

[solid frigate]

welcome to get fucked by Para and Freeze

[spiral ridge]

Me and my kyogre weren’t happy campers

[solid frigate]

me with Pagos as well during that time as well

[spiral ridge]

I let out the most like shriek screams of fuck

THATS WHY IT KEEPS HIGHLIGHTING ALL MY WORDS

SPANISH KEYBOARD
FUCK

I’ve been so confused and just backspacing and retyping it

[solid frigate]

damn

[molten oasis]

[solid frigate]

B R E A D

[real prairie]

my anti bullshit brothers lead works https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2217348788-nbqx1tac3plg70s5e858jz7y00o0xkupw

For the furry doggo lovers

[solid frigate]

those Arguements for Lucario kinda suckass

[real prairie]

sort of like lucario

[bold geode]

Hai bestie

[craggy dagger]

hiii

[solid frigate]

Hoi

[foggy lodge]

he won due to hurricane hitting even without rain and Gholdengo hitting itself 2 times in a row btw

well its still low ladder so meh

but why do i feel there is so much rng in this reg man

[molten oasis]

Lmao

[solid frigate]

F

[real prairie]

Didn't stop this person

[dull ibex]

Pokémon X gives me ptsd

[real prairie]

i just faced a focus sash indeedee

[dense latch]

lmao what

[real prairie]

ikr

[dense latch]

ots is a godsend

[foggy lodge]

It is

[real prairie]

this snow team just cooked me (granted i think i played badly too) https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2217406474

[chrome knot]

@craggy dagger i think youll be proud of me once you see my regional team

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2217419959

Me when i remember This Team's Whims is Covert Cloak and he make the same mistake and got salty

[chrome knot]

wha

you made easy read why he mad

[solid frigate]

i fought him once

and then we met again and i remember my mistake lol

[foggy lodge]

Npc gameplan lmao

[solid frigate]

like do not tera when there is a fake out mon

Its fucking EASY

[light oxide]

Is murkrow still a really good pokemon? I stopped playing when he was a must on every team

[foggy lodge]

what was he hoping to kill with tera fire anyways

i doubt Dragapult died from it without sun

[solid frigate]

its alright

[foggy lodge]

And Sneasler is Sneasler

[solid frigate]

Dragapult survived a raw Eruption

last match i think

[foggy lodge]

lmao

[solid frigate]

and its thanks to the Dragon typing lol

[gentle crag]

morrispxg456 has given 1 Gen Rep to maxihd

[slender sable]

Potentially could someone rate a team I have been thinking of
Archuldon
Peliper
Grimmsnarl
Sinistcha
Garchomp
Overqwil

[solid frigate]

do you have like Moves or anything in the Pokepaste?

[slender sable]

I don't know what pokepaste is but I have screenshota of the builds

[solid frigate]

Pokepaste is in the second button that would show the teams in Showdown

[real prairie]

say "I only play BO1" without saying "I only play BO1"

[solid frigate]

exactly

[slender sable]

Oh okay. I don't have a showdown account to make them there

[solid frigate]

hell with that Mentality i don't think they are VGC players

[real prairie]

someone share the usful resources

[real prairie]

they think copy and paste a nuke team and they can win infinitely with it

some teams you just see and think "Well i know what you are gonna try"

[solid frigate]

which does not work like that-

Plus this team is everywhere in early Meta so its recognisable

[real prairie]

its like the Tailwind regi-drago teams.

[molten oasis]

I fought the same like 3 people 3 times each on bo1 yesterday

[real prairie]

people try nuke with dragon energy and get made when you are running tera fairy

[molten oasis]

One dude was running 3 attack Tera electric annihilape

[foggy lodge]

that team was not a bo1 team tho

it got top 8 at stockholm so it was kind of a match up check lol

[real prairie]

well no, nor is Eruption teams, but its how obvious its played

[solid frigate]

Tera Electric-

What the fuck

[real prairie]

If i were to hazard a guess "It only has 1 weakness" was the mentality

or at least thats the only justifiable mentality i can think of

but if its not set up, then why?

[solid frigate]

its more like the mentality of a casual

[molten oasis]

Yea it was annoying

It had Tera blast

[solid frigate]

i don't think they remember there are 3 Ground Types roaming around

Both Ursas and Garchomp

and What the fuck tera Blast-

[molten oasis]

[solid frigate]

yeah B01 in Reg H is worse than Reg G b01

[foggy lodge]

i hate bo1 in general lol

[solid frigate]

honestly yeah

The onlt reason i am playing B01 is see if the teams work at all

[foggy lodge]

yeah bo1 is cool to learn how to pilot teams without wasting too much time in bo3

[molten oasis]

I’m consistently hitting 1600’s with 70% gxe but its still annoying

[foggy lodge]

if i play bo1 is in cart because its cool seeing the animations

[rustic mountain]

i find cart more fun

[solid frigate]

Cart is more fun

[rustic mountain]

sd is cool but its lifeless

[foggy lodge]

it has been 2 years why Farigiraf doesn't have a sprite

[solid frigate]

i don't like B01 Showdown cuz people are gonna make others suffer

[rustic mountain]

i like bo1

u guys dont like it cuz u hate getting cheesed by bo1 strats, u shouldnt be after a certain point ngl

like sometimes sure but not consistently should u be losing caught off guard by every cheese strat

bo3 ots is honest so ppl like that aspect i get it

i think ppl might be in for a rude awakening wen ots gets taken away after this gen

if it does rather

[foggy lodge]

please keep ots

[rustic mountain]

they should tbh

[foggy lodge]

i would play atleast knowing my oponnent's item

[rustic mountain]

even w/o tera it seems a lot better

[solid frigate]

don't get me wrong,i like Cart B01

But just not showdown

[foggy lodge]

i could play closed moveset open item or something like that

[solid frigate]

i thought OTS is like Gen 9 only thing right?

[rustic mountain]

yep

i mean it could continue after idk