competitive_discussion

[molten oasis]

im giving up, throwing in the towel

someone made a9 work thats good enough for me

just gonna take a break, maybe for the rest of the format, idk

this format sucks

[solid frigate]

I'm just barely hanging on

i can't break 1400 cuz i don't have a good archetype i can do here

[molten oasis]

i linger in 1500 which is like, fine

i also just dont think anything has felt good, i wanna try other stuff cuz this doesn't work the way i thought it did

chomp a9 works fine i think the dengo side is too clunky and slow

think im gonna try sneasler pult

set up balance feels meh to me rn

well, maybe i could do dengo with that

https://pokepast.es/b939e41680adf28a hm

[bold geode]

Excuse me

Why am I not aware of this

[solid frigate]

monke moment

[molten oasis]

primeape rilla annihilape inferanpe oranguru infernape

[bold geode]

Infernape twice?

[molten oasis]

oh oops

ambipom

[solid frigate]

monke moment

[bold geode]

Now what it do

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 126: Magmar

Type

Fire

Abilities

Flame Body, Vital Spirit (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

65/95/57/100/85/93

Total

495

Sableye version 4.28.1

[real prairie]

i miss my tera fairy G4: Tank Man

[pliant nebula]

https://pokepast.es/bb3940a02235bd4f

Can anyone check my team for flaws ive played 20 matches and lost most of them

[real prairie]

u turn on Rilla is an option, otherwise not a lot else screams at me. Other than a lack of speed control

[pliant nebula]

what would be good speed control?

[solid frigate]

why does that look like Red's Team.

[solid frigate]

i don't think its necessary to have Speed Control especially my friend has 5/6 mons

[pliant nebula]

ok

[solid frigate]

but that rise multitude of Problems

[real prairie]

no, its not a must have. just an observation

it means you have to be a lot more careful which mons you take into what leads

sneasler into TR is bad for example unless you can ensure you stop TR going up

[solid frigate]

just replace Acrobatics With U-turn

[pliant nebula]

yeah I do run into t tar a lot

[torn parrot]

ayo

[molten oasis]

The monkey team

[torn parrot]

i dont see the og monkey duo

slaking grafifai

[molten oasis]

Isn’t Grafaiai a lemur?

[torn parrot]

i guess thats not a monkey

[molten oasis]

lol

Anyway Maya I have given up, I’m playing other stuff

I’m just gonna focus on good stuffs rn

[torn parrot]

thats defintely okay

sometimes things just dont work

[torn parrot]

i think you would enjoy that

[molten oasis]

I think the core is too weird, cuz a9 chomp is fast and offensive and dengo wants to be bulky and set up and trying to incorporate both of them like that I think is too hard

I tried sneasler pult for a little bit, it’s fun but too fast for me

Gonna try clef balance next

[torn parrot]

have fun

not sure if i woudl reccomend skill swap, feel like life dew or thunder wave has been way more useful on way more occasions

[open path]

Anybody have any ideas for a skeledrige team? I feel like he could be good if paired with the right pokemon

Maybe someone with rage powder or follow me so skeledrige can boost his speA with torch song

Not to mention he’s immune to fake out

[mighty stump]

Usually screens.

[dull ibex]

I like screens

[torn parrot]

furret to 1500 byabybya yayayeee

happy

it's getting there...

getting thereeeee

[bold geode]

It's a monkey

[bold geode]

Morning Tofu

[molten oasis]

Are sloths a kind of monkey?

Cuz that’s what slaking is I think

[bold geode]

I think Vigoroth is considered a monkey for some reason

But yeah Grafaiai iirc is the Toxic Monkey Pokemon

[molten oasis]

Oh ok

Also gambit feels so strong dude

[bold geode]

Cuz it is lol

[molten oasis]

Great stuck at work for another fucking hour because “big table” you didn’t fucking tell me about

That’s so cool dude

and I’m sitting doing nothing for 45 minutes which looks so bad

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/8f8cc646a184e9c3 hit 1600 with this

[torn parrot]

yasss nice job! you found a team that works for you

[tranquil kraken]

dragapult

[molten oasis]

Gambit clef rills pult feels great

[rustic mountain]

a little bit after where its at atm yea

basically from the midway point to the end it was jus a steady decline

where the anime is at rn is peak

or was rather

[molten oasis]

Finally something feels good lol

And I can pursue it for the rest of the reg

Although unsure on volc and Tauros atm

I brought Tauros to 2 games and it was just kinda fine

Not really anything great

[rustic mountain]

thats how i felt w/ water tauros wen i had it

it was like rarely brought lol

[foggy lodge]

https://www.youtube.com/live/--OLrjEze-k?si=6MT_D01iJPaNwQ9N

[rustic mountain]

oh shit dortmund

[foggy lodge]

in 4 hours

its 12 AM for me rn

[rustic mountain]

oh hell nah

lmao maybe ill catch some replays 2mw

[foggy lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/silly-cat-silly-car-car-stare-10-thousand-yard-stare-10-thousand-yard-gif-14200271775968563996

[foggy lodge]

i hope there are better games in stream

[rustic mountain]

im sure theyll b some great games on stream

[foggy lodge]

i don't wanna sound disrespectful but some games from baltimore were...interesting

[rustic mountain]

idt i caught all of baltimore but idk i try not to go overboard questioning plays. a lot of these players are playing a lot of pokemon and are in the midst of mind games we may not necessarily be privy too especially w/ certain teams and their understanding of them. also sometimes mistakes just happen its apart of the game

[molten oasis]

Fuck no lol

[chrome knot]

gonna give u a slice of real

[molten oasis]

You’ve changed your name a lot

[bold geode]

Bruh it starts at fucking 2am for me
Bruh

[bold geode]

cough cough Vijay cough cough

[tranquil kraken]

now u know how it feels for us EU folks

[plain drum]

Dortmund

[bold geode]

Pulls all nighter

[cyan smelt]

it's on in 3 hours for me

[tranquil kraken]

same LOL

[cyan smelt]

wait that's only like 5pm pog

[molten oasis]

did showdown just go down?

nvm

[dull ibex]

im tired of losing nonstop

in this STUPID FORMAT!!!

covert cloak mushroom

[molten oasis]

thats kinda not terrible tho

[dull ibex]

I dont care if its good or not

people love non meta gimmicks this format and its shoving me down in 20k hell

[patent marsh]

But isn't that a good thing

[dull ibex]

god no.

[patent marsh]

Shows there's variety and format is healthy

[dull ibex]

it does not,

this is fair from a healthy meta

[bold geode]

That's normal lmao

[dull ibex]

no it isnt, ive seen it once

[bold geode]

No bruh trust me

[dull ibex]

but also I dont care if its good or normal i said that

[bold geode]

That shit is normal

Just pointing it out

[dull ibex]

maybe I need a break

this format sucks.

[patent marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-simply-a-difference-in-skill-frog-dancing-skill-gif-21877908

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

[dull ibex]

real dude

[torn parrot]

MISSION

COMPLETLETO

1000-1600

WITH FURRETO

https://tenor.com/view/furret-pokemon-cute-gif-17963577

[molten oasis]

what is your username on showdown?

with the furret

[torn parrot]

im just using furret the one rn

[molten oasis]

i fought you

[torn parrot]

oh shit you did?

lol did i lose

[molten oasis]

yea

[torn parrot]

oh well

[molten oasis]

i led pult and gambit on you i think

[torn parrot]

gg!

[molten oasis]

gg

[torn parrot]

wp

[molten oasis]

that team looks similar to something i saw the other day

cool team tho

[torn parrot]

thank u also indeed
the basic core is the same pledge + male indeedee

[molten oasis]

you had delphox right?

[torn parrot]

yeah magician delphox and frisk furret

[molten oasis]

i definitely fought you then

how's delphox?

it seems interesting

[torn parrot]

pretty strong honestly i like it

it woudl be better with a life orb ngl

i think

[molten oasis]

i think lorb is better

[torn parrot]

well i achived what i set out to do now i can let furret rest

and its 1 am holy fuck

[molten oasis]

onto the next niche thing

[torn parrot]

YES

!!!

[molten oasis]

i think i'll reexplore a9 later

[dull ibex]

im back and less agnry

what is going on?

[molten oasis]

i fought maya's furret team that hit 1600

while she was grinding

[dull ibex]

oh dope

https://pokepast.es/91ffd08339520c81 what does this do about psypam or dozo?

ok clef probably solves dozo maybe

[molten oasis]

clef and rilla is probably the line

incin for intim also helps

[dull ibex]

Fair

[molten oasis]

spamming dire claw is also an option

[dull ibex]

dude I cant play cart rn this sucks lmao

[bold geode]

Time to wait for another timer LMFAO

[dull ibex]

I need to find someone to ev train this mon

[bold geode]

The Sneas?

[dull ibex]

ye

[bold geode]

I'd do it if I weren't flat fucking broke

[torn parrot]

i wonder whta to play now

[bold geode]

Now for an 11 minute wait lmao

[torn parrot]

firts things first is a ladder break

[bold geode]

Real talk after I get this next blogpost up, I might take some time off from play

[torn parrot]

same here

i want a snack

i stayed up so late playing furret

byabya

[bold geode]

I got some things I need to work out, so I might not play for like
Probably a couple weeks
I might keep up with some stuff still, but actually putting teams together and shit just nah

Actually @dull ibex aren't you interested in some more balance comps?

[dull ibex]

im shopping around

[bold geode]

If so, might wanna hop on Dortmund stream or watch Dortmund VOD, that's kinda like
The EU's thing iirc

[dull ibex]

ill be watching labmaus for new teams

im trying clef balance but with electabuzz instead

[bold geode]

Ngl I forgor
The tour you got that one team from
Kinda doodoo balls

[dull ibex]

it did have answers to dozo and psyspam btw

my playing was just kinda bad

[bold geode]

The fuck was it's answers to Psyspam?

[dull ibex]

turning terrain off and incin being dark is an answer

[bold geode]

Oh you had Rilla Incin?

[dull ibex]

ye

[bold geode]

Ok so you just like
Immediately copped out lmao

Man I'm tired but I also just cannot sleep
I hate this

[dull ibex]

yeah I was just playing bad

and he had some shit that surprised me

[bold geode]

They're on the couch lol

Finally
Dort stream start

AW C'MON WHY ISN'T JAMIE BOYT COMPETING

THERE'S A LOT MORE EU REGIONALS

[torn parrot]

gyaaaa

[dull ibex]

https://pokepast.es/cd7bb185a21bde6d

[bold geode]

Looks like something Carris ran before

Dortmund day 1 usage

@molten oasis they going balance LOL

[molten oasis]

I don’t get it

[bold geode]

So many pieces from balance teams lmao

[molten oasis]

Well, yea

[bold geode]

SO MANY BALANCE PIECES

[molten oasis]

They’re all strong mons

[bold geode]

The numbers are so fucking close too

[molten oasis]

Top 6 are all slightly off

[bold geode]

Incin and Rilla being .4% off is something

I'm sad Jamie Boyt ain't competing

I wanted to see him just go absolutely batshit crazy

[molten oasis]

Gambit and Prima are also .4% off

[strange fjord]

So is Garchomp and P2

[molten oasis]

Damn electabuzz top 12 too lol

[bold geode]

What if Jamie Boyt was competing this Reg but he was actually fucking normal lmao

I love the way EU streams present these things

[molten oasis]

Well, have fun

I’m going to bed

[bold geode]

Wow MausApe Arch vs Buzz Lance
Very original

[bold geode]

Nah
Rawdog this shit with me

Um
Prim Buzz could be good into this?

[dull ibex]

ok good news

I just need the stellar tera

[knotty mirage]

Dire claw proccing sleep damn

[dull ibex]

I was able to afk for a little bit and get the ev training done

[torn parrot]

we in another one?

is that my boy over there?

my fucked up lookin yellow chubby shit

[knotty mirage]

If i want to makes offensive bulky primarina is it better to heavily invest on defence or should i just go for HP ?

[dull ibex]

okay its done

[bold geode]

I fell asleep lol

Fell asleep right before R2 started so I guess 1 1/2- 2 hrs?

Aw fuck it's Psyspam

[tawdry urchin]

What's the best item for groudon?

[chrome knot]

Alex just broke his ankles jfc

[mighty stump]

How my day went:

[patent marsh]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/511016367483519008/1284455710574379058/Harsetti.gif

[mighty stump]

poor doggo

[chrome knot]

poor spongebob ig

[mighty stump]

What is this Patrick discrimination

[plain drum]

This ain’t about him

[viral spindle]

Barbaracle or Rotom Wash on a Competitive team???

[chrome knot]

neither

[mighty stump]

I mean id pick Wash

At least its something

[chrome knot]

one isnt in the game

so i feel its rotom by default

[mighty stump]

idfk if Barbaracle exists

U smell

[chrome knot]

nobodies favourite

[viral spindle]

I need coverage and Water was needed with either Rock or Electric

[chrome knot]

thats terrifying sounding

[mighty stump]

Interesting G1 going on

What a throw turn for Mateo

Rage Fist was potentially free

O rite TR

[foggy lodge]

@violet smelt Folagor está jugando en Dortmund creo

just two matches more pls pls

[bold geode]

You forgot to euthanize Emma

[torn parrot]

i dunno why people hate the flash movie im incredibly entertained

[next stump]

isn't the actor a piece of shit

at least the newer flash movie

[torn parrot]

yeah iv heard that

he is

[foggy lodge]

Is that perish trap

[bold geode]

RAIN PERISH

[dull ibex]

Hello

[bold geode]

What the fuck is this lmao

[bold geode]

Hey Red, how going

[dull ibex]

Rain perish?

[bold geode]

So you know perish trap right

[dull ibex]

Politoed is nice on perish trap

[bold geode]

Ope you got it lol

[dull ibex]

I played wolfes perish trap team this Gen briefly

[dull ibex]

No they're a bit worse then that

They're creepy around kids, and actively running from the law

[bold geode]

So much Snarl on Archaludon

[dull ibex]

Ezra has done a bunch of crimes and is running police

It's kinda wild they're not in jail yet

[bold geode]

Also Lefties Tera Bug Arch

[dull ibex]

I'm tired

[bold geode]

Same bruh
I got like 3 hrs of sleep only from falling asleep lmao

Also that was a great switch for Longyu

[dull ibex]

I'm on uh

2 hours?

[bold geode]

Fun

[dull ibex]

I miss bolt beam p2

[bold geode]

Launch Crash into Basc

[bold geode]

It looks funny, but Tera Blast kinda just poggers

[gentle crag]

dollarmonke has given 1 Gen Rep to redstonejesus

[bold geode]

BRO WHY DIDN'T YOU CRASH

Oh we're fine

Eh not really

[patent marsh]

ye erza miller 💀

[bold geode]

How did Eloy win that shit

That shit was a long Game 1 lmao

[dull ibex]

Rep farming

Ban dollar /j

[bold geode]

I have no idea what even done it lmao

I guess poggers?

[bold geode]

Poggers

[gentle crag]

You gave Gen Rep too recently. You can give Gen Rep again <t:1727530279:R>.

[dull ibex]

Dude you ever wake up to your cat sitting on your floor and staring at you

[bold geode]

Yup that's it

[dull ibex]

I did this morning

[patent marsh]

it's because the source material they're loosely adapting from was given no justice, the movie handled it horribly and the CGI was omega bad basically it's really bad for the primary audience they're aiming for

[bold geode]

I hope I don't considering I don't have one

[dull ibex]

That's a shame love that little dude

He left my room shortly after to do whatever fat cats do

[bold geode]

Fat cat shit

[dull ibex]

I hope not, I won't clean it up

[bold geode]

Who gonna then

[foggy lodge]

POKEMON

[dull ibex]

Pokeman

[bold geode]

Did anyone else's stream eat shit?

[foggy lodge]

its back nvm

[bold geode]

Ok it wasn't just me lmao

[smoky hawk]

Stream went out

[bold geode]

Mom quit messing with the fucking Ethernet cable

[bold geode]

I'd rather poke woman

[dull ibex]

That's harassment

[bold geode]

What if she girlfriend and I poke arm
Or what if I'm getting attention

[patent marsh]

ye

[bold geode]

AGAIN

[patent marsh]

not if you already put a ring on it

[dull ibex]

Uh no you (I had no response)

[bold geode]

Y'know what Red you know what I have as an argument

Glubalitorio

Longyu got Game 2 ez

I wish he got Wisp off on Gambit

Yikes

[patent marsh]

read

[bold geode]

Think Eloy kinda got tunnel visioned on Arch too much

Yeah Eloy kinda lost there, he needed to have stayed in

It's over

Eloy's team is kinda interesting though

[mighty stump]

Idk why but reading “Eloy” three times in quick succession is funny

[smoky hawk]

Wisp miss into opponent's high roll crit

True combo

[bold geode]

Eloy Eloy Eloy

Almost Ole

[dull ibex]

Is that like... The girl from horizon? /j

[bold geode]

I don't think so?

[bold geode]

Oh close
It's Aloy lmao

[dull ibex]

Ye

[bold geode]

Anyways
Would we care for weegeecee or too tired

HE HAS A CHANNEL

[dull ibex]

Depends on who else joins

[mighty stump]

The person who owns X?

What

[dull ibex]

LMAOOOO

[bold geode]

What lmao

@mighty stump weegeecee?

[mighty stump]

weegeecee

[bold geode]

Red we got a 3rd

I started VC

[dull ibex]

Weegeecee

I'll join when there's two

[mighty stump]

theres two

[foggy lodge]

ITS BACK

[chrome knot]

hope these stick for louisville

[bold geode]

Now scramble it ALL UP

[whole ibex]

May I join

[bold geode]

Ok gimme sec

Now

[bold geode]

It's open

[chrome knot]

https://x.com/mrrishittv/status/1840040204205178906?s=46&t=FIWgOpf0yRQcHBdRCEbKnw

Rishi Gupta (@MrRishiTTV) on X

Should me or @setsumizi be canceled here

Twitter · Sep 28, 2024, 2:45 PM

alright gang what is ur chien pao move order

[mighty stump]

wtf

Ice STAB, Dark STAB, Sucker/Sacred, Protect

[bold geode]

@dull ibex @mighty stump it did the kick out thing again

[mighty stump]

lul

F

[patent marsh]

ye

[next stump]

i’m a protect on slot 1 merchant

if i time out i wanna click protect

[mighty stump]

I never time out

[next stump]

fake out spot 1 is griefing

[mighty stump]

Nerd

If you're gonna timeout deck the opponent

[chrome knot]

how about think faster

[mighty stump]

^

[spiral ridge]

FUCKKK I DIDNT KNOW ONR WAS GOING ON

How many games have been played so far?

[spiral ridge]

Sacred last is wrong

[bold geode]

Wha

[spiral ridge]

I’ve been laying in bed scrolling on insta I didn’t know about dortmund

[solid frigate]

Ice STAB,Sucker,Dark Stab prot

[chrome knot]

VIVILLON TIMEE

[spiral ridge]

Sacred is like. A second or third slot

[chrome knot]

god i love vivisleep

[spiral ridge]

is under OHKO pressure rn

[foggy lodge]

Its dual wingbeat for the sneasler and vivillon mu lol

[spiral ridge]

Mhm

[spiral ridge]

Vivi sleeping now :(

[chrome knot]

LOL

calmmmm

[bold geode]

Hi Scotty 🖕

[spiral ridge]

Heyaa

[spiral ridge]

the compound hurri missed 😭

[chrome knot]

ngl im clicking sleep powder there

never have i ever seen an amoonguss let me kill something for free

[spiral ridge]

mm, coulda just been pressure

damn good call jesus

fucking mindgames omg

[chrome knot]

awful end game navigation

[bold geode]

I missed out on end, who won

[molten oasis]

Who watched the regional today?

And was there anything interesting

[bold geode]

Watched some of it

There was a Tera Bug Lefties Archaludon

[whole ibex]

Dual Wing Beat Flamigo I guess

[molten oasis]

What? Lmao

The flamigo I kinda understand

[bold geode]

It was like a "Perish Trap" team

[molten oasis]

You don’t break sash with brave bird

[molten oasis]

I’m guessing it’s not Wolfe but, yea lol

Lefties kinda makes sense

If av isn’t already taken

[bold geode]

Nah
They had AV Rilla/Lorb Basc/Tera Fairy Goggles Incin/Tera Bug Lefties Arch/Specs Politoed with 3 attacks and Perish Song/Gothitelle

[tiny karma]

Move: Dual Wingbeat

Hits twice. If the first hit breaks the target's substitute, it will take damage for the second hit.

Type

Flying

Category

Physical

Power

40

Accuracy

90

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[molten oasis]

Ah ic

Any other interesting things?

[bold geode]

If you consider the illusion of free choice interesting lmao

[molten oasis]

there werent other interesting mons

[bold geode]

Not that I saw at least
Have to watch back cuz I fell asleep for some parts

But like basically Sneasler Pult is pretty big in EU

Though like that's nothing really out there

But like I like how Billa tweeted supporting Alex Soto cuz he was like "my EU homies disrespecting HTR" like no
No they ain't lmao

Sneasler Pult big and the way those teams are built rn just have a good MU into that already

But yeah Magmar gonna see more and more usage
It was kinda going up a tiny bit apparently anyways, especially in EU, but it's strong rn so it could see some transfer

[foggy lodge]

they aren't disrespecting hard TR

Kinda sad because there is a player that spams Hard TR and it could have been good for him if they didn't prepare for it

but they did and he went 5-3

anyways the stream is broken and i can't watch the replay

🥹

[molten oasis]

who?

[bold geode]

Did that one thing actually fuck up the whole VOD?

[foggy lodge]

It did

[foggy lodge]

Alex Soto, is a spanish player and YouTuber

[bold geode]

Fuck dude
I was gonna go watch VOD

[foggy lodge]

Marcofiero was watching it on stream

You could watch it from his vod

[bold geode]

Oh that's pog

[dull ibex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScD5mkkGdVk we need a bad mon to name this after

the X theorum

no not pachurisu

maybe the brambleghast theorum?

[bold geode]

Haunter Theorem

[dull ibex]

does haunter work?

I think it needs to specifically be a bad mon thats worked

the bruxish theorum?

[molten oasis]

uhm, pachirisu theorum

[bold geode]

It's won a regional before

You could also go Cottonee theorem

[dull ibex]

Can we ban this guy

[bold geode]

Mods, show me his feet

[dull ibex]

anyways nice troll drago

[bold geode]

Also new Wolfe vid
He on Gen 5 now

[dull ibex]

we watched that on stream

[molten oasis]

im not trolling

[tiny peak]

Hey guys is kantonian arcanine better for singles or doubles?

[molten oasis]

pachirisu isnt a good pokemon lol

[torn parrot]

Havnt watched the vid but I bet it’s Lando

[molten oasis]

it filled that very niche role one time

[dull ibex]

Then you didn't read

[bold geode]

So did Cottonee and Haunter

[dull ibex]

Pachirisu wasn't a bad mon when it was used

[molten oasis]

who did it first then

[dull ibex]

That's not how that works

Pachi was good in Gen 4

[molten oasis]

if we go by infamy its pachi

[bold geode]

I guess you can name it based on how much success you wanna come with it

[molten oasis]

if we go by who's first its whoever was first

[bold geode]

Pachi was good in Gen 4?

[dull ibex]

Yes.

[solid frigate]

the thing is,Its The Move Follow Me who take the game

Pachirisu is just the mon that had that move

[bold geode]

Honestly just call it the Jamie Boyt theorem

[dull ibex]

That's why it was used,

It filled a very powerful niche and did it extremely well that isn't a bad mon

[solid frigate]

its just the VGC Community hard Farming Sejun’s W in 2014

Heck thats not his Favourite pokemon until after the Win

[molten oasis]

would you call pachi a good pokemon rn?

[dull ibex]

No

But what does that matter

[tiny peak]

Is arcanine a good mon to use right now?

[dull ibex]

It's not working rn,

[solid frigate]

not really since electabuzz is a thing

Hell Raichu would almost certainly took the Pachirisu spot if it had follow me

[dull ibex]

Bad Pokémon that work have to be bad in the context of the generation

[molten oasis]

throughout all of sv has pachi been good

[solid frigate]

not even close

[dull ibex]

Pachirisu

[bold geode]

So we're just looking at past niche shit

[dull ibex]

Pachirisu sucks right now it has never been good this Gen

It was only great that one year

[molten oasis]

so pachi should be the face of that

it was good for 1-3 formats

[dull ibex]

No it shouldn't because it was good that Gen

It wasn't bad but worked on one team, it filled a niche

[solid frigate]

Pachirisu kinda is not good when Raichu is literally right there

[dull ibex]

That isn't how that works

[strange fjord]

Why use Raichu when Pikachu can wear a hat 🤠

[molten oasis]

then nothing fits that bill dude

[bold geode]

Idk if it was good in Gen 6, it was more of a meta call for that Worlds
Now whether or not it was good in prior generations idk
But in Gen 6 it was viewed more as a meta call

[molten oasis]

because if it was good once its clearly not capable of working

[solid frigate]

Tofu be like

[dull ibex]

What are you on about drago

[tiny peak]

Is arcanine good in the current format?

[dull ibex]

Bruxish is a bad mon that worked on specific teams

[solid frigate]

and its more like Follow me who took the credit

Pachirisu just so happends to have that move

[bold geode]

Fuck Bruxish

[solid frigate]

it’s literally one of the better Fire Types rn

[dull ibex]

Bruxish is right there and fits the bill

[bold geode]

It was sort of combo of move + ability

[dull ibex]

OK if pachi has the move it deserves the credit

[bold geode]

In the World's prior, Sejun had Marowak and Magmar
He saw that something that was valuable before could be pressed into one package, and he rolled with it

[tiny peak]

@solid frigate really? Doubles right? I want to get into the format but dunno how to build a doubles team and kinda wanted to use arcanine

[molten oasis]

cottnee theorum or jamie boyt theorum

[dull ibex]

The hamurott theorum 💪

[molten oasis]

no lol

[dull ibex]

Just you wait

[solid frigate]

y e s.

It’s literally the 2nd-3rd Best Fire Type

[dull ibex]

Which arcanine

[tiny peak]

@solid frigate that's cool, we talking kantonian or hisui?

[dull ibex]

Kanto arc is meh

Huisi has its place

[solid frigate]

both

[dull ibex]

No not both just hisui

[bold geode]

Kanto Arc is like
Unfortunately just use Incin

[dull ibex]

Kanto arc is borderline bad imo

[bold geode]

Any format Incin is in just invalidates Kanto Arc unless you're looking at a very specific niche cuz Incin does Kanto Arc's job better
Now in formats where Incin ain't there, it does a bit better, but once again like
Incin basically invalidates a ton of shit lmao

[dull ibex]

Use hisuian

[bold geode]

Hisuian Arc good though

[dull ibex]

It does offensive sweeper stuff and does intim it's very solid

[solid frigate]

I still ise Kanto Arcanine cuz At least i can pair Safety Goggles and also have Access to E-Speed(Does Harc rn Safety Goggles tho

[dull ibex]

Then you're alone in that tbh

Even with googles incin outclasses it

[tiny peak]

I do like that kanto arc is mono type tho with less weaknesses

[bold geode]

Just sheer damage off of Choice Band
But yeah Kanto Arc would be good, but it's just the fact that Incin is there
Sure Incin invalidates a lot of stuff, but like it really does that for Kanto Arc
It basically has the same toolkit as Arc but does it better

[dull ibex]

But it's also just worse

[bold geode]

Yeah but don't matter when you can use something that's just all in all better

Me saying this as I preach to use weird shit lol

[tiny peak]

What strat does the harc use? Tailwind team?

[bold geode]

At least this Reg

[solid frigate]

unless if i go balls and run Safety Goggles Harc

But rn Hisuian Fits a Rock Coverage

[foggy lodge]

Arcanine is outclassed by Inci and its hisuian form

If you want a more offensive Inci use Harc

If you want a more supportive Harc use Inci xd

[bold geode]

But I will admit, Kanto Arc just doesn't bring as much value as Incin
Like it has more speed, but the slower speed of Incin honestly works a lil better lmao

[solid frigate]

the onlt Niche and i mean only Niche is that Fast Wisp but then again yep

[bold geode]

Incin can live hits pretty fairly and Wisp though

[molten oasis]

i think harc is ok if you reaaaalllyy need the offensive pressre

otherwise you go incin

[solid frigate]

i can’t stress how many times the Incin survives by 1 HP

painful

at least I’m almost break 1400 now

That all i want

[strange fjord]

Eviolite Growlithe

[solid frigate]

no

[strange fjord]

Yeah, its not doing much lol

Psyduck tho, that's silly

[solid frigate]

the main issue is that can i pull off with Kanto Arcanine lol

[strange fjord]

can you explain a bit more?

[solid frigate]

i swapped Incin for Kanto arc for the memes

[dull ibex]

Well I need another mon done LMAO

Nvm if

[molten oasis]

minecraft is 15 years old...

[merry summit]

older than @tribal walrus

[woven hinge]

shedinja + sturdy?

you could give it sturdy using skill swap

oh wait

no you can’t lol

skill swap fails if either pokemon has wonder gaurd

but shedinja + sturdy would still be kinda op

[dull ibex]

Ye

[tribal walrus]

Sure

[merry summit]

hi grove

[bold geode]

@molten oasis watching the BeastCoast post Balt episode
Wolfe is a Hydrapple believer

[solid frigate]

its not even in this game.

Plus Sand chip lol

[real prairie]

I'm tired but... prankster worry seed into own Slaking

Yes?

[real prairie]

Shedinja sash fail too?

[molten oasis]

No fucking way

Why does he believe in Hydrapple

[bold geode]

He just said it was a niche pick cuz he is a fan

[molten oasis]

I’m rethinking stuff

For this team, dozo mu is so annoying

Tera fighting p2 sucks

Gonna try Prima over Tauros

[torn parrot]

Prima is the shit

[bold geode]

@chrome knot what was EVs for that funny little shroom that did funny thing against Psyspam

[molten oasis]

See now that Wolfe has hope for Hydra

[bold geode]

Hm
I wonder how much bulk I can run on Hamurott

There is a bulk Sitrus spread

Also forget Ceaseless Edge

[bold geode]

Drago be proud of me, I'm forgoing the edge

There is now less brainrot

[molten oasis]

You’re not funny

-8ball should I build with Hydrapple

[gentle crag]

should I build with Hydrapple
:8ball: It is certain

[bold geode]

-8ball am I funny

[molten oasis]

it’s destiny

[gentle crag]

am I funny
:8ball: My sources say no

[bold geode]

Wow
-8ball were you paid off to say that

It won't answer, it's guilty

[molten oasis]

Lmao

[pallid hare]

-8ball were you paid off to say that

[gentle crag]

were you paid off to say that
:8ball: Yes

[pallid hare]

-8ball how much?

[gentle crag]

how much?
:8ball: As I see it, yes

[torn parrot]

I think witches are fuckin cool

[bold geode]

Ok anti Sneasler tech is eh so far, 1-2 with the team
But what I FUCKING HATE is that Sneasler players are now starting to stall out a mfer with Poisons

[torn parrot]

Sneasler is like

If stress was embodied into a Pokémon

But like all of the causes of stress

Trying out new mons is very cool

[molten oasis]

[bold geode]

Anyways I might work on the Rain Perish thing

[torn parrot]

have fun

[dull ibex]

I just learned my salamance spread is wacky

Salamence @ Choice Specs
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 75
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 108 SpA / 4 SpD / 140 Spe
Timid Nature

• Draco Meteor
• Air Slash
• Tera Blast
• Dragon Pulse

108 SpA Choice Specs Salamence Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 68 SpD Assault Vest Archaludon: 112-133 (56.8 - 67.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[torn parrot]

i need dinner

[dull ibex]

252 special attack also 2hkos

[torn parrot]

immmmediately

[spiral ridge]

Does that include the stat drop?

[foggy lodge]

just go 252 252

[dull ibex]

ok but why

[foggy lodge]

i think it works fine

[dull ibex]

ok but does work fine as well

[dull ibex]

wait what stat drop?

[spiral ridge]

draco meteor?

am i think wrong move

[dull ibex]

why would this be -2

[spiral ridge]

uh, to see if it still 2hko after the drop?

or does it include that within it

[dull ibex]

???????

no it calcs for the first draco

[tiny karma]

Move: Draco Meteor

Lowers the user's Special Attack by 2 stages.

Type

Dragon

Category

Special

Power

130

Accuracy

90

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[spiral ridge]

yeah

so if its doing like 56% hp on the first one would it kill with 2?

[dull ibex]

no?

[foggy lodge]

just let it at range of sucker punch or something

You are not 2HKOing Archaludon with draco meteor

[spiral ridge]

yeah okay thats what i thought

just he said 252 also 2hkos which is why i was confused

[dull ibex]

I did not

I said 252 kills my salamence

the bulk doesnt help with arch hitting draco back

[spiral ridge]

?

[dull ibex]

oh yeah its a 2hko either spread

[spiral ridge]

oh onto yourself?

[dull ibex]

252 SpA Choice Specs Salamence Power Spot Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 68 SpD Assault Vest Archaludon: 165-195 (83.7 - 98.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[spiral ridge]

yeah okay

that would fs die in two dracos, thought you were saying the lesser spa would have the same result

thats why i was confused

[dull ibex]

no I meant either spread is a 2hko

but actually looking at it maybe I should just do 252 252 if the damage is that much higher

[dull ibex]

you sure are

[bold geode]

Kinda?

[dull ibex]

if the bulk works I want to keep because im out of resources

[bold geode]

Ah
I just see people go max max
Have you had issues with it

[dull ibex]

no I just can't do that it

[bold geode]

No like
For example have there been any kills you missed out on you felt you should've got?

[dull ibex]

not that I recall

Salamence @ Choice Specs
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Draco Meteor
• Air Slash
• Heat Wave
• Dragon Pulse
  this also works finme

[bold geode]

Anything you haven't outsped that you felt you should've?

[dull ibex]

not that i recall

eh whatever ill just go to trade channels ig

[bold geode]

Well if you haven't had those issues, your spread is probably fine

Just asking some questions you should ask yourself when considering spreads you've used in regards to adjustments

[dull ibex]

fair

[foggy lodge]

Magmar has many good moves wtf

like outside of the mandatory follow me it has will-o, clear smog, taunt, overheat

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/fevzioe/status/1839727759410565325?t=YrjJt-kmkILcIBEwE6aklw&s=19

Fevzi (@fevzioe) on X

eu players choosing the cool follow me user to build around

Twitter · Sep 27, 2024, 6:04 PM

[molten oasis]

Lmao

[bold geode]

Time to cook in a tour chat

[molten oasis]

Hydrapple @ Assault Vest
Ability: Regenerator
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Fickle Beam
• Energy Ball
• Earth Power
• Syrup Bomb

Hm, what do with Hydra from here

[bold geode]

It genuinely feels bad to lose MUs you should be winning

[chrome knot]

so win

[bold geode]

Yeah wish that could happen

Tbf I always do bad in these tours for this org

[dull ibex]

I do not remember where my shiny salamence came from

but im 98% i get it from here, so probably legit which is pog

[bold geode]

I ALREADY HAVE TO FIGHT THE GEEZING DISQUAKE SHIT LMAO

0-2, already gotta fucking sweat if I even wanna top cut lmao
I always do fucking horrible in these tours even with a meta AF team

Think imma try Rain Perish and the Magmar balance

@chrome knot I saw your friend talking about Magmar on the balance, how they like it?

[dull ibex]

I did it

The team is done

[bold geode]

Show

[molten oasis]

What now?

[bold geode]

Someone redid Geezing Toedscruel by adding Disquake and it's actually kinda ass to fight against lmao

[dull ibex]

Already did

[bold geode]

Again plz, I might've missed it

[dull ibex]

I got the salamence and it's shiny 🙂

[molten oasis]

Anyway Hydrapple cooking time

[bold geode]

This shit was on stream in Dortmund bruh
It literally hit places that quick ig

[dull ibex]

https://pokepast.es/e6644d133c56253b

[molten oasis]

Ah ic

[bold geode]

Ok one thing
You DO know there is a literal rental floating around of this same shit right?

Like the Tangs shared this team already

[dull ibex]

Yeah I know

[bold geode]

Ok I just wanted to make sure

[dull ibex]

I copied tang

I decided to use salamence after a video explained the synergy

[bold geode]

Yeah you have the exact 6 lol

I just wanted to make sure you knew cuz like
You could've saved yourself a hell of amount of work by using rental

[torn parrot]

i wonder whose bout to win the regional

[dull ibex]

Tbh I just traded people I didn't really do any work 🤣

[foggy lodge]

im going with Michael

[dull ibex]

Dude Im sitting here going man I use gambit alot

I should shiny hunt it

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/d5e496b63e9229d0 this team probably sucks but thoughts?

[dull ibex]

I just realized I probably already have one....

[torn parrot]

honestly guy is notorious i would bet on him

[molten oasis]

Thought if I was going offensive for it I should go tr

[foggy lodge]

he is a beast

He really plays so good its like a robot

[dull ibex]

GOD DAMNIT I DO HAVE ONE 😭

[torn parrot]

i see what your going for
on a trick room team i think you wont find as much use for sweet syrup maybe pollen puff woud bennifit you more

[dull ibex]

https://pokepast.es/6d4f67f936d610d7 I built this team on cart

[molten oasis]

Right I have that lol

[torn parrot]

oh wait i meant syrup bomb mb

not sweet syrup

[dull ibex]

Replying to Maya?

[molten oasis]

Yea

[torn parrot]

ah i see you already replaced?

[molten oasis]

I knew what you were talking about

[torn parrot]

it can kinda act in like amoongus's place but offensive

i think its a neat idea

i beleive

[bold geode]

1-3 , only win was a fucking no show so just 0-3
How in the fuck did I lose every single fucking game

[torn parrot]

tournament?

its okay it happens

[bold geode]

Yeah

It happens too fuckin much

At some point, "it happens" ain't gonna cut it

(I'm not tryna be rude or anything btw, it's just fact)

I always do bad in those tours under that org for some fuckin reason, but unfortunately due to my fuckin work scheduling, they're one of the skim few I can actually participate in

[torn parrot]

maybe its the pressure?

gets to your head possibly

[bold geode]

Ain't no pressure
Unless when I'm literally 0-2 from the start, then again idt it's that just
Idk what it is
Sure I brought a weird pick to this one, but others do the same and I've also legit brought straight up whitewashed meta to one of these before and STILL had same results

[torn parrot]

you could try playing something super meta next time just to boost your confidence

[torn parrot]

ohh nvm

i said that before i finished reading

uhmm

i dunno

do you play a lot of best of 3 ladder?

[molten oasis]

its uhhhhh, not greaaat lol

[torn parrot]

awwwee

[molten oasis]

idt having it replace amoonguss is a good idea

[torn parrot]

its not going well?

[molten oasis]

imma look at labmaus and see

well its doing okay but id rather have amoonguss 99% of the time

thats the feeling i dont want out of it

[torn parrot]

yeah i feel you

[molten oasis]

that and this team is ass into annihilape

[torn parrot]

yeah i did notice that

[molten oasis]

this is gonna be tough lol

the teams i saw on labmaus, kinda suck

meh idk about this lol

its paird with mostly psyspam from what im seeing

[torn parrot]

it seems good against bloodmoon

well i guess what assault ves grass type isnt

[molten oasis]

lol

uhm, ehhh idk

im just gonna hold off for now, maybe i'll fidget with it later nothing's coming to mind that i think would work

without it being gimmicky

[torn parrot]

maybe itd be good on sun trick room

[mighty stump]

New chinese Dozo copypasta dropped

[torn parrot]

mama mia

[molten oasis]

[mighty stump]

Also whoever is playing Ursaluna try Yawn Ursa

[molten oasis]

so. psyspam

im (trying to) figure smth out for hydrapple

i could try yawn ig, be nice for set up mons

[torn parrot]

ayo

guy has recover wow

dont think thatll be useful

[molten oasis]

hydrapple has a good movepool, good stats, bad typing

and a good ability

[torn parrot]

its the typing thats the only thing
but maybe it can be a useful typing on the right team

[molten oasis]

if your mu into water types is like, abysmal ig lol

[tiny karma]

Hydrapple [Grass/Dragon]

Resists (0.25x)

Electric, Grass, Water

Resists (0.5x)

Ground

Neutral damage

Dark, Fighting, Fire, Ghost, Normal, Psychic, Rock, Steel, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Bug, Dragon, Fairy, Flying, Poison

Weak (4x)

Ice

Type Notes

Grass-types are immune to Powder-based Moves.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[torn parrot]

yaaa thats what im thinkin

[molten oasis]

its not that bad of a typing

ice types dont exist

theres 2 notable fairies it can take moonblasts from pretty well

the main bug type doesnt run bug stab

so its, not that bad tbh

the resists are also like, very very legitimate resists lol

[dull ibex]

I really like nuke salamence ngl

[molten oasis]

thats nice

last time i got hydra to work it was on a screens set up team

https://pokepast.es/50b50636616bfc81 hey wait a minute

@torn parrot this could totally be reworked

[torn parrot]

did that team do well?

i agree tho

[molten oasis]

yea

it did good

that was in a rental i made so it worked fs

[torn parrot]

i think maybe in this meta keep your grass move

its the only edge you have over primarina

unless its like

just pure support i kinda get it

[molten oasis]

well movesets need to be redone too

cuz this was a reg e team lol

no sorry reg f

[torn parrot]

yeah i egctha lol

[molten oasis]

think the core was grimmsnarl volc lando and hydrapple

we dont have lando or bolt as options tho

i'll think on it

may just not lol, its not that good of a mon i just like it

[torn parrot]

if you like it youl feel good using it

well

i gues thats not true lol

[molten oasis]

back to gambit volc balance lol

[torn parrot]

furret is s fucking cute

i cant even

https://tenor.com/view/furret-shiny-furret-pokemon-gif-15663945299123858064

[molten oasis]

cute guy

[true steeple]

Why is it that Kyogre gets outsped by Calyrex one turn, but not on another turn? No schenanigans like paralysis or tailwind were involved.

This is for SwSh ranked btw

[knotty mirage]

Probably because kyogre using choice scarf and it's speed tie calyrex

Or it just max airstream shinenigan idk i never play swsh

[true steeple]

Do the numbers match up?

They have very different base speeds so I would be surprised if their speeds happen to be equal with scarf.

[knotty mirage]

I mean it could be

[true steeple]

Oh…maybe

[knotty mirage]

I mean it possible if you give calyrex certain speed EV

[true steeple]

It was a rental team haha

[knotty mirage]

Okay yeah i already check it's possible to speed tie caly s with scarf kyogre as long it have 198 speed EV

[mighty stump]

whats your speed stat lol

dont look at base speeds

the final stat

[mighty stump]

That’s an invalid EV number at 50

[torn parrot]

what a cool fucking team

[balmy glen]

lol

[torn parrot]

that was pretty brutal

):

that was just sad

[torn parrot]

i did another game, now 1620 with furret
but no more games
i now am never going to play on "furret the one" account again for practice in fear of messing it up

[torn parrot]

🐇

[dull ibex]

Hello

[solid frigate]

hoi

[chrome knot]

primarina queen activity

[solid frigate]

Incin in 5th is crazy

[worthy lark]

Mainly balanced teams

Unlike last regional where p2 luna was wrecking shop

[chrome knot]

p2 luna is balance

[worthy lark]

most of the p2 luna in last regional where in pure hard tr teams

[chrome knot]

that is not hard trick room

[dull ibex]

Weegeecee?

Vc?

[worthy lark]

Oof

[patent marsh]

dat was a good game

[chrome knot]

so happy mausape lost

[balmy glen]

Ima start being a Mausape main since you said this

[chrome knot]

cheesed to meet you

[dull ibex]

ok yeah I like sneasler balance

[mighty stump]

yes

[dull ibex]

ill be in my main server if more show up we can move here or not

[chrome knot]

Mattie is such an insane player

crazy path finding

[bold geode]

Weegeecee?

[dull ibex]

its up

[warped mason]

Gholdengo sweeps are fun to watch

[real prairie]

as a neutral sure, one of the most miserable things to be on the end of lol

[warped mason]

Oh i can imagine

[real prairie]

is white herb Ghold a thing?

[warped mason]

Garchomp lives +2 sucker right?

[real prairie]

think it depends on the builds

[warped mason]

Nice prediction

[real prairie]

very good prediction

[warped mason]

Davides team is so cool

Love the double dragon there

Even tho he didn't bring hydreigon here

[real prairie]

does upper hand stop grassy glide?

[dull ibex]

https://pokepast.es/edea11888d78e19e

[zinc totem]

https://youtu.be/eUphUexT_X4?si=Ci_iksP2tsvRwtdV

[patent marsh]

ayyy

annihilape gholdengo ftw

[warped mason]

Such a cool looking team

Double dragon double fairy double ghost

[dull ibex]

what does prim do for balance teams?

[knotty mirage]

I guess for haze and it do some good damage

[solid frigate]

who won in Dortmund

[bold geode]

Annihilape

[molten oasis]

Just ape or mausape?

[molten oasis]

Dozo answer/immediate damage

[bold geode]

Just Ape

[torn parrot]

Primarina is my ho

[dull ibex]

I should replace it with SAMUROTT 🙂

dude drago you would consider an alright player yeah?

im so glad I reached that goal, that was pretty much only goal for comp, get good enough to be decent at a decent level but not tourney winning good

of course if I did get that good I would not complain

[chrome knot]

i love her

im 2-0 with her at a cup rn

[torn parrot]

You don’t need anyone’s approval 🤝

[spiral ridge]

Ayyy nice job

[dull ibex]

I would like it though

[bold geode]

Nah eat shit loser

You alright

[dull ibex]

Ye im pretty confident in that

[bold geode]

You are not pretty

[torn parrot]

I had the best sleep

[solid frigate]

nice

[solid frigate]

ok at least its just ape

Mausape would be cringe to win

[calm gulch]

prettier than you #BullyMonke

https://tenor.com/view/лютик-pashaphs-gif-24484512

[zinc totem]

does wide guard work in multibattle?

[torn parrot]

Yes

[molten oasis]

Oh Pults up there

[molten oasis]

You want that guy to work a lot huh

[zinc totem]

okay good. You and me should do one , one day

[torn parrot]

YYYESSS

THOSE ARE MY FAVORITE KIND OF BATTLES

the battles of friendship

🤝

[dull ibex]

of course

[solid frigate]

battles of you either being Carried or you carry someone

[torn parrot]

Well it CaNT wRK

Heh sorry I keep grudges

Sammy is cool af

[zinc totem]

haha teaming together to smack some ass

[solid frigate]

i did that with someone

and they got smacked by me

[dull ibex]

What is this about

Ig anything can work if you're good enough

I've seen Wolfe win with leafeon

Which is a good awful mon

[torn parrot]

Yus and you said I should give up, and didn’t beleive in my goal

But sir, I think samurott is rad

[dull ibex]

I don't think I said that

I do believe I said it can't work because it can't really be good

It can be carried though

[torn parrot]

Okay that’s fair actually

[bold geode]

What do Nick Navarre be saying?

[foggy lodge]

is it normal that i feel like i play better in game than in showdown

[dull ibex]

I do as well

[torn parrot]

In game makes me anxious tbh

I turn the sound off completely

[dull ibex]

Animations help focus

[foggy lodge]

i play with my music because sometimes it stresses me but the animations make me be more focused on the game and give me more time to think

Mitski is my music to focus

[torn parrot]

I find it easiest to focus when things are really simple

Like showdown

Personally

And showdown also makes everything very clear

By telling me all the stat changes without me having to look or how many turns of stuff are left without having to look at battle info

I got adhd

[foggy lodge]

Only thing i hate is that the game doesn't remind you which stat paradox boosted

[spiral ridge]

finally watching dortmund since been out all day 😭

ofc incin is top mon dear lord

[bold geode]

I just like the colors lmao

[molten oasis]

Lmfao what

[bold geode]

@dull ibex your favorite little Yawn spamming slug got 3rd at a LatAm regional

Using same fucking set I did lmao

[torn parrot]

@dull ibex okay but I genuinely think hisuian samurott can go crazy

Guy seems like he would be so strong in theory

Even drago liked him

And if you mean regular samurott I know there was a guy who got top 100 with him in reg F or E or something

But

If you choose regular like
Good luck 😔 sounds hard

[solid frigate]

defensive typing works, but the problem is that it needs to be the main focus on the team which fits a bit hard on Balance team

[molten oasis]

Regular Samurott is bad

Build around Hisui samu, I think it can work in the right context