competitive_discussion

[mighty stump]

Looks alright but do you really need Impish Incin and +Def Amoonguss

[molten oasis]

uhhhhhh

i just used the spreads i had previously cuz im lazy

so probably not, more special on incin is probably better for this format, i think

so just, max spD incin?

i've seen people mention going all in on one defense stat is nice for incin this reg but idk

Incineroar @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 244 HP / 4 Atk / 4 Def / 252 SpD / 4 Spe
Careful Nature

• Knock Off
• Flare Blitz
• Fake Out
• Parting Shot

oh i get it now, i read brady's tweet, which explained the incin/amoonguss evs well

[mighty stump]

Lol

I found you get better switch ins so from experience, I agree with Brady’s concept

Personal preference is to have Physdef Amoong + Spdef Incin since Id lean on Amoong more for sth like Kingambit MUs and Dondozo

[molten oasis]

thats what i was thinking too, amoonguss is my dozo/gambit (sorta) mu rn

anyway i'll try this out, i might invest bulk on garchomp and drop attack if i feel like its needed

[dull ibex]

Should I just wipe my ev spreads and do this lmao

Any of you guys want to vc

[molten oasis]

I’m going to bed sorry

[dull ibex]

Rip

[mighty stump]

I can in a couple hours lol

I was seeing my dad off at the airport

also visited the Pokemon Center again

[dull ibex]

If I'm up I'll be down

[mighty stump]

Caved and bought the last Emboar sitting cutie

HE WAS RHE LAST ONE

[dull ibex]

👀

[mighty stump]

I CANT ABANDON MY BOY

[dull ibex]

Oh how are you and your partner doing BTW? (if yall are still a thing I haven't asked in a while)

[mighty stump]

We’re good

Why

[dull ibex]

Just small talk 🙂

[mighty stump]

Long distance just sux a little

[dull ibex]

I feel that

[mighty stump]

Also the smal issue of whether or not i want kids

still a lot of time to think about but just sometbing to consider

[dull ibex]

Yeahhhhh

[mighty stump]

cuz she says she sees a future w kids but its not a hard yes

and all I said was

As long as you’re aware of the possibility of not having any and its not a dealbreaker then we can see where we go

Otherwise one of us is gonna have to do something we dont want to do

And I come from a broken home hence I know what a shitty childhood would be like

[dull ibex]

Yeah I'm pretty sure I don't trust myself enough to have kids

[mighty stump]

I can envision myself being a parent but its just whether or not I want to

[dull ibex]

That makes alot of sense

[mighty stump]

Behold

[dull ibex]

Behold

BTW we expect the switch 2 reveal to be announced today or tomorrow

So the actual reveal is tomorrow or Thursday hopefully

[mighty stump]

uhuh

how funny would it be if there was no announcement at all

They should call it the Switch Up

[dull ibex]

The switch Attach

BTW would go into one stat with mushroom as well or just incin?

[neat heath]

hi (sorry for my english)

what do you reccomend for current reg H?
Im thinking about using charizard and rillaboom with incineroar but I have no idea what can I use for water type or other 2 slots

[solid frigate]

why use Zard when Typhlosion is literally better

[neat heath]

idk I feel kinda attached to him tbh

[solid frigate]

i mean sure,good for you but Zard is meh at best rn

[neat heath]

he helped me climb to almost to ultraball in last regulation as off meta pick

[lusty gull]

Hey all, I need some advice on a team I'm trying to put together for SV singles 🙂

My team building knowledge is straight dookey

[knotty mirage]

I really hope not i don't want to buy new more expensive switch just to play legend ZA

[neat heath]

I prefer 12fps than new switch

[knotty mirage]

I just want to spend 60$ or 70$ for new pokemon games not 500$+

[dull ibex]

Well too much adds up for it not to be soon

However we don't know when ZA is

Could be before the switch 2 launches

[knotty mirage]

It prolly next year right

[dull ibex]

Btoh are 2025 yes

ZA could be February

And switch two could be April

[dull ibex]

It's been out eight years Nintendo HAS to move on

[solid frigate]

hopefuly we get the trailer in like Oct-Nov

[dull ibex]

For ZA?

I don't expect ZA news til Pokémon day

Also even if it launches with the switch two it would still be cross Gen

[solid frigate]

i don't even know now tbh

[knotty mirage]

It just kinda sucks if i need to spend 500$+ just to play legend ZA and buying new device on early launch is ussualy bad idea

[dull ibex]

You won't

It's definitely coming to the switch one

They showed the switch logo if anything it'll be on both

Just like botw was on the wii u and switch

Also might I add

Legends at or near launch for it

Is huge for. That console

[mighty stump]

Probably just play a Sun team.

You could use JoeUX9’s team and replace Hyphlosion with Zard and go from there

If you intend to play Zard

You can find the OTS on VictoryRoad I assume.

[neat heath]

Thanks, I will test this team in showdown

[lusty gull]

Plz

[neat heath]

I would use for core rillaboom, incineroar and maybe pallafin hero form

For 3 last slots I have absolute no idea what's good for competitive solos

[lusty gull]

Currently I have a tank Latias, set up sweeper Iron Thorns, lead Glimmora, sub/toxic Gliscor and a set up sweeper Gyarados. Latias and Iron Thorns stay but idm changing the rest if needs be, struggling to fill the 6th

Was thinking either another bulky Mon or even Chi-Yu

[dull ibex]

If you could answer this as well?

[mighty stump]

Latias, Iron Thorns, and Chi Yu are banned for Regulation H.

No Paradox, no Legends

[lusty gull]

That is a gigantic spanner in my plans. I don't know what Regulation H is tho

Is that just ranked battles? Or all?

I haven't battled yet on SV so everything is new to me

[mighty stump]

Ranked Battles.

Regulations are just the rulesets outlining what Pokemon are allowed to be use for a period of time

[lusty gull]

Oof, will the regulations change soon?

[patent marsh]

We just started reg H pretty much so will take quite a while

[lusty gull]

Rip. Back to the drawing board it is

Might go for stall based and annoy people lmao

[solid frigate]

god damn it i have to go back to Hong Kong after Regional and EUIC

FUC-

[silk stream]

https://pokepast.es/c8de644b1d3b26af
Any suggestions for the 6th mon for this reg h team. Ive got my fire-water-grass core + a steel-fairy-dragon core, speed control. And a couple win conditions i can set up for. Just cant figure out who should be the 6th

[chrome knot]

stomping tantrum > eq

[silk stream]

I'll give it a go, had some good results with eq tho

[chrome knot]

half ur team would prefer if u didnt eq them

[foggy lodge]

No encore Whimsicott?

[silk stream]

needed the sunny day for playing against archa and buffing typhlosion

[solid frigate]

i think its fine if you forfeit Encore for Sunny Day

[foggy lodge]

I think you dont need light screen in that considering that also encore can punish defensive plays like protect that can slow down Typhlosion's momentum

[solid frigate]

if its Tailwind,Moonblast,Encore Sunny day its fine but yeah light screen ain't worth

[silk stream]

aight okay will give it a go with encore instead of lightscreen

[real prairie]

whats a good armarouge set?

?

[chrome knot]

not that

[bold geode]

That is a set alright lmao

[dense latch]

weakness policy is bad outside of closed team sheet games

[real prairie]

fair point

[real prairie]

no i know lol, was a starting point. was showing how much i needed help 🤣

[torn parrot]

i love electabuzz

he's my favorite little follow me man now

[mighty stump]

Weird way to spell Tera Electric Clefable with Safety Goggles

[chrome knot]

LOL

maya i burnt down the kitchen pls help me

https://pokepast.es/ef5a3fdde9dda1ff

[bold geode]

Emma "I burnt down the kitchen" shows normal looking paste

[chrome knot]

THIS IS NORMAL ! ?

[mighty stump]

You saw my team

What about this is less normal

[chrome knot]

ok yeah well

I genuinely thought that was a gc team LOL

[mighty stump]

All my teams look like GC teams this is run of the mill

[bold geode]

Emma that doesn't even look that bad LMFAO

[torn parrot]

clefable is plenty good
but electabuzz just that good shit in a different way 😩
a redirector that lives for ages and doesnt have to wear saftey goggles and has taunt and has an awesome nuetral typing

i love him

[torn parrot]

hell yeah lol, vivivovon

[chrome knot]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2203676715-uf51tpylie6ivf17fy253xeg4pi1zhupw

vivillon :3 @torn parrot

[lusty gull]

Can anyone help me build around Gliscor and Glimmora?

[chrome knot]

no its pretty good ngl

jus needa iron out some lines lmfaooo

[bold geode]

They have wrinkles in em?

[chrome knot]

ye

[bold geode]

Wrinkly MUs ew

Emma the Psyspam is starting to get me
They keep doing shit like Grass Blast Arma

Always just like due to one thing that I didn't prepare for

[chrome knot]

drop psyspam

oh like when ur against it

uh throw psychic amoonguss on ur team

252hp/20def/236spdef

[bold geode]

Lol
Nah the MU is usually better
It's literally like
CTS stuff

[chrome knot]

ah

[bold geode]

Just one move you don't expect them to have and then they do and then I cry

Sad cuz I JUST tweeted calling Psyspam fraudulent

[chrome knot]

its not fraudulent

it worked so well every team had to build around having a good game plan into it

or they lost immediately lol

[bold geode]

I literally copied Jeudy's stuff and just found a line lol

Like it might not be fraudulent, but it feels way too ez to beat now for some reason

Like even accounting for it before didn't make it like this

Then again once again like
The main problem is like for example Hard TR Psyspam is just the same shit really

[chrome knot]

its just

extremely linear so if u find a working line

chances are it will without fail work until it comes down to how people think differently

[molten oasis]

What psyspam?

[chrome knot]

playing against psyspam

[craggy dagger]

[chrome knot]

you don’t think at all

nova i made vivillon team and it functions kinda okay

its kinda a mash between Zee & Paul Chuas teams

[bold geode]

Yeah and like the best variations are already being planned for imo
Like I see Sneasler with it now and tbh I don't really like it
Looks weird AF
Also just doesn't help that things that are good into Psyspam are also just generally good as well

[chrome knot]

sneasler works as fast mode cheese

yeah no psyspam sucks bc ttar was unironically just a good pokemon

same with tera psychic amoonguss lmfao

[bold geode]

Yeah no I hate it cuz then like you have to dance around your own fucking Trick Room lmao

[chrome knot]

not really

tr, get sweepers goin, tr end sneasler cleans up

[bold geode]

Yeah then every fuckin person said nah Flamigo on P2 Ursa instead of Ttar lmao

[chrome knot]

flamigo is king

[molten oasis]

Flamigo is a cool adaptation

[bold geode]

I think Lillikoal just better for this still

Even with Ttar

[craggy dagger]

oh?
compound eyes or friend guard

[chrome knot]

compound eyes for 98% sleep powders and hurricanes

[bold geode]

Actually no cap, I think best variant is Horoark

[craggy dagger]

valid

is haze still a problem?

[bold geode]

With Psyspam you basically already have to get so many leads right then you see the Indeedee go Tera Normal Hyper Voice

[craggy dagger]

what

[bold geode]

Horoark lol

Also hai bestie

[torn parrot]

I’m actually pissed about flamigo

I feel like a while ago when people were hyping up decidueye as a gholdengo counter in like reg A I was like “don’t we already have a scrappy user that…outspeeds gholdengo?”

And then people looked at me like a dumbass

And so then I was gaslit into thinking I was a dumbas

[bold geode]

Oh someone used it in first Reg H Limitless tour for Goldie
Just everyone saw Triple Arrows was busted

[torn parrot]

Yeah that’s always the answer I got

“It’s better counter because it’s bulky and triple arrows is broken”

[foggy lodge]

Hisuian Decidueye getting replaced before the first regional is pretty funny

[torn parrot]

Poor guy

I still think he’s a rad pokemon

[foggy lodge]

It has haze atleast

[torn parrot]

but I’m really confused why people used him before flamigo

[bold geode]

It apparently was something that our good comp helper Yotam did a month ago lmao

[molten oasis]

I thought flamigo was pretty alright before the regional

Also heci’s mid and I was always right

[bold geode]

I thought people would go TTar, but Flamigo just made more sense

[torn parrot]

I think wolfey using pawmot with revival blessing is cool

[molten oasis]

I still hate that team lol

[bold geode]

As is everyone lol

[torn parrot]

Iv only ever seen them on dozo teams till now

[bold geode]

Revival Blessing is fucking stupid

[molten oasis]

Pawmot is a cool Mon

[torn parrot]

I do too

[molten oasis]

One of the few good electric type options

[bold geode]

Like you shouldn't be able to just revive your Pokemon

[rustic mountain]

i think wen i see it didnt set up psychic surge and theres a h zoro on the team that its a h zoro

[molten oasis]

It has 1 pp for a reason lol

[rustic mountain]

thing w/ the zoroarks is u have to disguise as something where the ability doesnt give it away (for instance disguising as incin but no intimidate activation)

like 99% of ppl r gna tell hey thats not an incin

[molten oasis]

I don’t like the game you have to play with horoark and I think usually I’d just rather have a different pokemon

I also think the lilikoal stuff is good with psyspam

If anything rn

[rustic mountain]

its generally paired w/ it

[molten oasis]

Like if horoark is anti mausape, idk why it’s there psyspam seems pretty good into mausape in the first place

[rustic mountain]

its a lazy mausape answer that doesnt even really do enough if the opponent plays it half decent

idk y itd ever be on a psyspam team

[split kernel]

U guys play singles?

[rustic mountain]

most of us dont

[torn parrot]

I don’t like singles it’s boring to me

[molten oasis]

I do not

[split kernel]

Womp womp

[torn parrot]

swap swap hit setup hazards swap hit

[molten oasis]

Lmfao

[rustic mountain]

singles is cool its just different

much prefer vgc myself tho

[split kernel]

Im doing battle stadium 3v3. Been keeping me entertained and furious

[craggy dagger]

floatzel-

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 419: Floatzel

Type

Water

Abilities

Swift Swim, Water Veil (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

85/105/55/85/50/115

Total

495

Sableye version 4.28.1

[molten oasis]

What about it

[torn parrot]

I think 3v3 is pretty cool cus it’s fast paced

[bold geode]

Then it's not Psychic Surge Indeedee /j

[craggy dagger]

a glass cannon i see

[split kernel]

For sure, matches can sometimes b 3 min or less

[molten oasis]

If you’re not psychic surge indeedee what are you doing lol

[craggy dagger]

i was gonna try making a float team

[rustic mountain]

id check out like smogon discord server, they focus more on single formats tho idk how many r doing 3v3 specifically since singles r usually 6v6 in the grassroots community which is really all it has outside the cart ladder

[bold geode]

Just as a fast option that can also mess with people cuz yeah if you lead right then it's like did I get this lead right or no

[molten oasis]

You can probably use it as a faster basc option

[split kernel]

Thanks for suggestion bro

[molten oasis]

[rustic mountain]

flamigo just seems better to have

[torn parrot]

I wonder how good normal monotype could be when you have male indeedee psyspam nuking your only weakness

[rustic mountain]

zoro is one of those mons it seems ok but its very much mid

[bold geode]

Flamigo on Psyspam?

[craggy dagger]

that’s what i was thinking

[molten oasis]

Well, if you need a psyspam answer, yea

I mean, mausape answer

[rustic mountain]

i dont think psyspam is in a great spot its heavily respected. but if u were to run psyspam i think theres better faster mon options outside h zoro that can be more consistent

[craggy dagger]

uhhhh

https://pokepast.es/e6796cf81d1b8035

[molten oasis]

I don’t understand what this team is doing

[bold geode]

Anyways guys we having fun with Geezing lines yet or

[molten oasis]

Kill weezing

[rustic mountain]

but i think the lilligant mode is there for a reason, gives torkoal another mode of existence and u hav a fast mon that can disrupt and hit a few things decently hard

[craggy dagger]

neither do i

[bold geode]

Until you cry when you miss all your Sleep Powders

[molten oasis]

Nova just go rain lol

For floatzel, that’s the only way I see it working rn

[bold geode]

Ooooh more silly Nova teams yay

[craggy dagger]

rain dance corb-???

[rustic mountain]

well hopefully ur not relying on sleep powders to win that often haha

but yea that does suck

[rustic mountain]

i never thought id have to prep for specs weezing

[bold geode]

I just said Tera Steel Blast Pult and called it a day

[craggy dagger]

i don’t know what i’m doing

https://pokepast.es/57972113ffbfaeb5

[rustic mountain]

palafin after week 2 of reg h:

[bold geode]

Man too bad I locked in GC stuff, I'm now thinking if I could've gone Adamant Pult

[rustic mountain]

yd u lock in so early

[torn parrot]

Oh right gc

I dunno if I wanna play that

[bold geode]

So I didn't have to worry
Pretty confident in stuff
I also made rental so like I can't change but at least I can get more reps in

[torn parrot]

Feels like it’ll just stress me out and put me in a bad mood like it always does

[rustic mountain]

its prolly fine. comfortability matters

[rustic mountain]

yea jus dont play then. its def stressful but i try not to put as much stock into it as i had before. u jus do ur best and live w/ the results

[bold geode]

It's been fine
Only issue is Darts lacks a little damage than it used to, but only cuz Dragon Tera Dragon Darts was a fucking high

[rustic mountain]

as long as u can factor that into ur internal damage calc and subsequent navigating of the mon, it should be fine

like hey this prolly doesnt ko here wat should i maybe do instead

[bold geode]

Yeah
It's been fine like it's still getting chip anyways

Plus it always works cuz of how Darts works

[rustic mountain]

i protect and have prim in the other slot and moonblast ur pult

i get wat u mean haha but def times it can be nullified

[bold geode]

Good thing I lead Rilla Pult a decent bit

[rustic mountain]

i remember one game i tera'd my prim to take 1 dart so scarada didnt just die and i could set up pledge

[bold geode]

Lmao

[rustic mountain]

its hammer time

[bold geode]

You know what constantly fucks me up
On Dozo MUs, they always lead Talon + like Dnite or another Mon with EQ right
And cuz my dumbass never leads Rilla, I Tera Steel always predicting ESpeed and they just catch me with my pants down and kill Prim

[rustic mountain]

maybe something to adjust to

[craggy dagger]

i
help

https://pokepast.es/a28d69459693184f

[rustic mountain]

least u got rid of gogoat

[bold geode]

Yeah I need to but my dumbass never does
Mainly cuz there's usually Specs Tera Steel Goldie and Incin is my guy for that

[craggy dagger]

lmao

oh double lorb fuck

[rustic mountain]

u can still cover for it by bringing the mon. if dnite lead puts ur lead at a distinct disadvantage and a 50/50, u gta figure out something u can lead that covers most options and gives u flexibility to adjust on the fly if the lead isnt ideal

[torn parrot]

Why did showdown have to go down right as I was in the kitchen

😔

[craggy dagger]

not going offline??

[rustic mountain]

cuz u burnt it down

[craggy dagger]

i’m still making teams cause i’m offline

[molten oasis]

Oh nooo showdowns down uh oh FREEDOM

[torn parrot]

It couldn’t register the obsessive hours of games that I play and it the memory gave out

It bak?

Yayy

[rustic mountain]

a9 getting 2nd at baltimore pretty cool

[molten oasis]

That’s where the sash a9 on my team came from lol

[bold geode]

Actually maybe my dumbass can switch in Rilla lmao

[rustic mountain]

w/e it may be u know the team better then me

[molten oasis]

Kinda confirmed the clunky (shit) part of a9 for me

Which was veil being so weird

[craggy dagger]

it just got worse

https://pokepast.es/151a9bb5d0dc8dea

[rustic mountain]

yea i think its an interesting call for sure and it worked out for him

[molten oasis]

Zoroark why?

[chrome knot]

i thought you said you were playing normal stufffff

[craggy dagger]

i am-
i’m just having fun in teambuilder

[craggy dagger]

i don’t know

[rustic mountain]

funny how the top performing ape and maus were on separate teams. they b better w/o each other

[bold geode]

We're talking Nova
That is normal stuff

[rustic mountain]

idk i jus saw gogoat

[chrome knot]

she said she was done w the gimmickssssz

[bold geode]

But funny when Nova do funny things

This format is goofy ahh

[rustic mountain]

i like this format

[craggy dagger]

girl-
i’m just messing around in teambuilder

[molten oasis]

The formats open

It got better after the beginning of the format

[craggy dagger]

also i’m focusing on reg g

[molten oasis]

?

[craggy dagger]

i’m not gonna get much playtime in uni so might as well as build up my game sense rn

[bold geode]

Silly Nova
What's Reg G

Reg G wasn't real, it was a dream
Wake up Nova

[rustic mountain]

ur reg g

[bold geode]

It was all Reg H

[molten oasis]

Greg g

[bold geode]

Greg g

[rustic mountain]

tru

[molten oasis]

My WiFi is so bad in my room all of a sudden, maybe someone fidgeted with the router and it messed some stuff up

[craggy dagger]

[solid frigate]

Me and Nova:Focus on Reg G due to event

Everyone:STOP

[molten oasis]

yea, cuz its, so far away

like enjoy the game stop prepping for a format 4 months away

[dull ibex]

Or let them play how they want idk

I'm still brainstorming for the return of restricteds myself

[molten oasis]

There’s no way to really prep for that format gameplay wise

[torn parrot]

does anybody know what this means

besides "hacker"

i think its really funny and i gotta know

i think it means "it should have stayed asleep but that's okay hacker" but no sleep part
Cus they tried to put electabuzz to sleep

OH I GET IT

he tried to put the electabuzz to sleep with toedscrool

and it fell asleep

and then vital spirit woke it up again

and he didnt understand that interaction so he said hacker

thats hilarious actually

i love that

[bold geode]

WHY BITE

[bold geode]

Nah fuck you

Reg H NOW

[dull ibex]

Shut it flop era

[bold geode]

Tf you on about dawg

[strange fjord]

something like "it was suppose to stay (asleep?) but ok hacker"

sleep was implied due to context

[torn parrot]

That’s funny

They thought I can hack showdown to make vital spirit work properly

To hack showdown you would have to hack into their servers

[strange fjord]

hack the server to make your Pokemon not fall asleep

[dense latch]

https://pokepast.es/0bb0215e27373fcb I've been using this team for a while and it's been great, I've been hovering between 1550-1700 elo in bo1 these past few days. recently i've realized im not using chomp much and when I do bring it, it's not doing enough for the team. I've been considering changing its item to life orb, adding swords dance in for stomping tantrum (which i had before), or straight up find a replacement. Any ideas on what I should do to improve the team/what to replace chomp with?

[humble cedar]

I run veil chomp with a scarf on sand teams but that's kinda gimmicky but it does work pretty well

I'm a 1400~ elo player for reference

but my current team is this fun tailwind team with indeedee and delphox

and a breloom

[dense latch]

delphox is cool

[humble cedar]

https://pokepast.es/f6ab87d5d89fd3c1

here's what I'm working with rn

I used to have paldean tauros instead of whim but I was never bringing it

Basically I bring indeedee delphox against dozo, gambit or rilla teams to counter their terrain and sucker punchand tera blast 2hkos dozo

otherwise arcanine and ghold just destroy everything after breloom gets as much damage as it can

[next stump]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oq3v5A84Fs4

[molten oasis]

Is this worth watching? I saw it pop up on my feed the other day

[next stump]

I really enjoyed it, it's also quick

[dense latch]

tldr adi explains how he prepares and teambuilds; showcases pasrs and how to ask for feedback in public forums and social media using it + some extra tips for teambuilding like quick EV optimization, it's a short watch so I recommend taking a look at it

[torn parrot]

that is one of the fastest primarinas iv ever seen

[dense latch]

i stole it from somewhere without giving it much thought, prim was a newer addition and I kinda struggle with its EVs

I've used 196 and 4 EVs in speed before

[humble cedar]

normally u want it as bulky as possible i think

[torn parrot]

it outspeeds dragapult in tailwind

0:

[dense latch]

should I just do 4 EVs then?

[torn parrot]

switch to sand veil give it bright powder 😎

haha

[dense latch]

lmao

[torn parrot]

its fine
it works in tailwind

[dense latch]

I ran sand veil before and I won a game thanks to it, my opponent started complaining in the public vgc room

[lusty night]

Lmao

[humble cedar]

sand veil is so dumb

but its so fun to run

[torn parrot]

if you never die then youll do more damage (:

[humble cedar]

heat wave misses even more

[dense latch]

surprisingly during my ladder grinds it almost never avoided attacks

[humble cedar]

dang

i was tempted to run tera rock for extra rock slide damage and more spdef

[real prairie]

really enjoying my team rn

https://pokepast.es/b5df9e8fe6d0d74e

probably a load of holes in it, but im having fun lol

[dense latch]

it looks very weak to gholdengo

[real prairie]

Tera water Ludi eats up Make it Rains but you are right in that i don't have a good counter

i just experienced that lol

[torn parrot]

Yeah I mean

Weak is an understatement

Only one move on your team even damages gholdengo..

Oh also shadow bal

[real prairie]

yeah need to sort something

[torn parrot]

You can replace amoongus

[real prairie]

yeah, he is my least clicked mon

recommendations?

he was in an old build from M-indeedee as he was my TR solution, but now i can imprison instead, so dont need TR user as much

[torn parrot]

Any fire type

Or armarouge

Basically what I’m trying to say is beating gholdengo is a pretty straight forward path

[real prairie]

wb the slug? couold swap out Muddy with Surf on Ludi and get the SpAtk boosts from stormdrain and hit Ghold with SE earth power

not dismissing what you said btw, just thinking out loud

[torn parrot]

Sure why not sounds funny

It’s hard think of directions to take this lol

Preferably you want peliper instead of murkrow

Nothing on your team makes murkrow worth it imo

[real prairie]

prankster manual rain helps shutdown weather switchers

shits on torkoal even in TR basically

Pelipper does do the same job, just slower

[torn parrot]

Here’s the thing
If your setting up weather manually

Whatever your setting up should be worth like

More than a mon

Like a spread more or a really strong guy

muddy water is tuff…cus it isn’t reliable

[real prairie]

Ludi specs surf not strong enough? gonna make me cry

[torn parrot]

You’ll probably kill your own murkrow or bring it to near death

[real prairie]

vTrue

[torn parrot]

Tailwind or prankster rain dance is like

[real prairie]

fakeout raindance turn one, switch surf turn 2? lol

[torn parrot]

Sacrificing a turn for the greater good, but the greater good has to be worth it

[real prairie]

theres probably a better way to balance my team, like Gardiv over espeon for Telepaphy etc

[torn parrot]

If you can kill something with pranskter rain dance then it’s worth it

But if not

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/gholdengo-pokemon-gimmighoul-make-it-rain-money-gif-12470423994579344962

Kicks your ass

[torn parrot]

If not Then your leaving yourself wide open

[real prairie]

yep, we have come to that conclusion haha

[molten oasis]

Armarouge/Delphox fixes that issues

[real prairie]

Delphox as another PsySpam could be an option 🤔

or does it just replace Esp

[molten oasis]

I fail to understand what the second half of the team is doing

[molten oasis]

Wdyt it does lol

Why are you running ludicolo, who’s mid

[real prairie]

favourite mon

[molten oasis]

You can’t, pick one man

A team of favorites isn’t usually good

Basculegion looks so much better in that spot

[real prairie]

agreed, lots of compremises. but its nice to put in at least 1 mon you actually like, or at least i like to

my other all time favourite mon is Haunter and its even less viable 🤣

[molten oasis]

Okay then pick 1 favorite build around it

[torn parrot]

If you can make one mon you like viable then it’s good nuff

[molten oasis]

Cuz this team is a major mess

I think ludi could work okay on rain

Espeon on fast psyspam is also fine

But you should focus on one cuz a big group of favorites doesn’t really work

[real prairie]

yeah i get you completely, Espeon although i do like a lot is in the team because it being the fastest and highest SpAtk PsySpammer, but its single typing and lack of type coverage moves let it down quite a bit

but you are right, go rain, or go psyspam. this hybrid is too easy to read

[mighty stump]

As they mentioned

Team looks incredibly unfocused

[karmic temple]

I kinda see what he’s going for, like a 3-2-1 team

[rustic mountain]

theres no 3-2-1 team wat is this the final countdown?

[foggy lodge]

is more like

A core of 3 mons and 3 random mons lol

[rustic mountain]

now that makes more sense lol

[dull ibex]

ok NOW i fixed my incin

Incineroar @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 244 HP / 4 Atk / 4 Def / 252 SpD / 4 Spe
Careful Nature

• Knock Off
• Snarl
• Fake Out
• Parting Shot
  I coped brady smith's concept

my amoongus spread is tanky and leans physical like tofu mentions sounds like a fun to learn pivoting better

[rustic mountain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oq3v5A84Fs4

[molten oasis]

dillon sent that earlier

[rustic mountain]

didnt see

no harm posting it again in case any1 missed it

[spiral ridge]

Lmao the ad I got in the video

It’s all stolen from pixelmon 😭

[rustic mountain]

yt will take any ads

[spiral ridge]

Money be money

This is quite useful. If I do make another serious team soon I’d probably notepad to remember what I want to calc to be able to do

Cus I will forget soon as games over lmao

Woah cool website sick

[rustic mountain]

its a good vid

[spiral ridge]

I meant to watch it earlier

[rustic mountain]

1 of the sites is a plug to his patreon but i cant hate on that lmao

[spiral ridge]

.

Gotta respect hustle lmao

[rustic mountain]

🫴 💵

[spiral ridge]

Mhmm

Didn’t know the 11 rule

[atomic locust]

I came up with a steel type team

Smasher (Metagross) @ Chesto Berry
Ability: Light Metal
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 84 HP / 84 Atk / 84 Def / 84 SpA / 84 SpD / 88 Spe
Modest Nature

• Stealth Rock
• Steel Beam
• Rest
• Flash Cannon

Golden gate (Archaludon) (M) @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Stalwart
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 84 HP / 84 Atk / 84 Def / 84 SpA / 88 SpD / 84 Spe
Gentle Nature

• Electro Shot
• Stealth Rock
• Flash Cannon
• Iron Defense

Golden surfer (Gholdengo) @ Leftovers
Ability: Good as Gold
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 101 HP / 101 Def / 101 SpA / 104 SpD / 101 Spe
Serious Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Recover
• Steel Beam
• Thunder Wave
• Hex

Krackatoa (Heatran) (M) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Flame Body
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 101 HP / 101 Def / 101 SpA / 101 SpD / 104 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Dragon Pulse
• Earth Power
• Flash Cannon
• Magma Storm

Scizor @ Metal Coat
Ability: Light Metal
Tera Type: Bug
EVs: 101 HP / 101 Atk / 101 Def / 101 SpD / 101 Spe
Adamant Nature
IVs: 0 SpA

• Aerial Ace
• Acrobatics
• Knock Off
• Swords Dance

Magnezone @ Magnet
Ability: Analytic
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 127 HP / 127 Def / 127 SpA / 127 SpD
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe

• Discharge
• Tri Attack
• Thunderbolt
• Electroweb

Is it good?

[spiral ridge]

Uhh why such even EVs?

[solid frigate]

yea like it does not help

[spiral ridge]

That speed site does seem damn good so him mentioning it is for sure working 😭

[rustic mountain]

the site seems great but im not paying for a patreon for it

[foggy lodge]

ive seen some people on twitter saying that Baltimore had like

[rustic mountain]

[solid frigate]

Also Moves are horrible as well

[foggy lodge]

Low level ?

[spiral ridge]

Yeah for sure I brokey

[rustic mountain]

for me its just off principle haha

[spiral ridge]

Yeahh I prob wouldn’t even with money

I’m not nearly into this enough
Especially not team building scene

[rustic mountain]

i mean i wouldnt knock any1 if they did

[spiral ridge]

Oh for sure it seems amazing
Just not something I’d do

[rustic mountain]

same

[spiral ridge]

I like putting money other places

Like gifts is a bigggg one

[rustic mountain]

quite the generous one

[spiral ridge]

@craggy dagger can tell you 😭

She’s torn into me a few times on it lmao

[solid frigate]

what the fu

did i just witness

[spiral ridge]

Mm?

[solid frigate]

idk what i witness

also we need a Teambuilding Manual-

[spiral ridge]

That video above is a start

[torn parrot]

is this like a new balance core

i see it alot

[spiral ridge]

What’s 6th?
A9?

[torn parrot]

yeah

but i saw justin tang take slaamnce

[spiral ridge]

I mean terrain and weather control is quite nice

[torn parrot]

and another guy take ceruledge

[solid frigate]

A9 just being like:Hey i am in the Picture

[torn parrot]

and all these teams have succeeded cus of those 5 mons

so it seems liek its been good for people

[spiral ridge]

All quite strong mons so understandable

With decent synergy on em

[craggy dagger]

huh

[craggy dagger]

we dont

[spiral ridge]

On how many gifts I give lmao

And Heyy honey

[solid frigate]

fair

[bold geode]

I saw bunnies in night

[forest arrow]

The Ceruledge variant pretty dope ngl

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/bunny-sleepy-gooba-owa-owaowa-gif-2311503198775714764

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

Electabuzz Gambit Rilla Sneasler

I've seen the water type slot being filled by Primarina or water Tauros

Justin Tang used Salamence but also some use Volca

[torn parrot]

not bad options tbh

volc sounds kinda perfect

for the job

slaamance also sounds pretty good

[foggy lodge]

ive been using Salamence specs

Very good impressions of the damage outputs lol

While you hit your moves with it you'll be fine

Fuck air slash fuck Draco meteor fuck Heat wave

Dragon pulse is my homie

[mighty stump]

Im avoiding inaccurate moves

LOL

[dull ibex]

me too honestly

[molten oasis]

What caused it

[mighty stump]

I mean

[dull ibex]

had my opp miss a vital play rough

[mighty stump]

I tend to use inaccurate moves cause I’m fine with the risk factor

[molten oasis]

I get it my rng is shit I just take the risk anyway

[mighty stump]

But I’m just like eh

[dull ibex]

did you see my full team?

[mighty stump]

No

Lol

[dull ibex]

its incredibly incredibly standard

[mighty stump]

My team is 🔥

[molten oasis]

[dull ibex]

https://pokepast.es/5fc3f3109d7f019e

I thought about and I dont think its accurate to call me the hyper offense guy anymore

[molten oasis]

Damn

[dull ibex]

monke still does, I just think im a meta slave

[molten oasis]

That’s not a bad thing

[dull ibex]

every tourney I just play what wins

no its not I just think my previous nickname doesnt apply anymore

[molten oasis]

👀

That’s fair

[dull ibex]

drago I made the mistake of adding monke to my personal server

he's not causing trouble thankfully but ugh I see him more now

[molten oasis]

Wow, you’re gonna ruin the server

[dull ibex]

I thought about extending an invite to you

but I dont think you'd want it and we're not close enough I dont think

[molten oasis]

nah not really

plus I wouldn’t be saying much in there

[mighty stump]

0 damage P2

[molten oasis]

Maybe like here and there

[dull ibex]

im also WAY more nsfw with my jokes

like if I censor myself in here out of respect for tofu being staff

[mighty stump]

banning rn

[dull ibex]

thnak god

[molten oasis]

Lmao

I’m gonna start red dead 2 today probably

[dull ibex]

yeah thats a bad thing yet

[molten oasis]

after spending 2 days fixing my internet

[dull ibex]

so wait does monke and you guys by extent think when i went on my long break for baldurs gate i literally didnt touch the game?

because uh thats NOT what happens lmao

[mighty stump]

I still don’t like Lefties Gholdengo but eh

[mighty stump]

P much

But tbh and this might be a hot take

If you’re not consistently studying the game you’re not keeping up

[dull ibex]

I played at minimum once a week I don't ever really full leave the game

[mighty stump]

I wouldn’t say just playing is enough

[dull ibex]

no i agree

its just not quite as simple as I never played again lmao

im playing rn btw if you want to or even can watch

why did that copy

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2204203466

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2204205755

[molten oasis]

The username on the second replay lmao

[dull ibex]

good games as well

[mighty stump]

At work

[dull ibex]

Ugh adult stuff cringe

[solid frigate]

did i miss anything

[mighty stump]

Dude why did you throw away Gholdengo like that LOL

[dull ibex]

I realized after I should have Terad

Brain fart moment

[mighty stump]

Why do you keep clicking Facade into Corviknight

??

[dull ibex]

I don't remember my thought process there tbh

[wild lodge]

I've been trying to make a sun team for reg H because I wanted to use sunflora cause I thought it would be funny but I feel like somethings off a yone have any suggestions?

Oh yeah and don't mind the missing item and EVs I just forgot to add them

[solid frigate]

tf is this team comp

[wild lodge]

Idk I just thought it'd be funny

I'm not that serious of a player

[solid frigate]

1.the entire team comp is a mess,there isn't a actual coherent Gameplan
2.some items are questionable
3.and some mons aren't that well with 252/252/4

[wild lodge]

Im not that good at comp I just wanted to make a fun sun team so I just grabbed some Pokémon

[solid frigate]

ik but i just can't unsee some critical changes

[wild lodge]

Yeah that's why I came here for suggestions

I literally threw this together in like a minute

[solid frigate]

Charizard could go for Life Orb or Just replace it with Choice Scarf Hisuian Typhlosion

Torkal EVs need to change,and Some moves like Rapid spin are not good for Torkal since it want to be in TR or some Mon to Boost its Priority Bracket with After You

Sunflora can just be replaces by Sash Hisuian Lilligant

Clefairy needs more Defense EVs

Garganacl should replace with something with Speed Control like TR Setter or TW Setter

Incin idk it looks fine,until we see the EVs

haven't said anything about Tera Yet

[wild lodge]

Oh yeah I forgot about tera

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/acf629b23d11ad77

Got a well built team build by @forest arrow you can try

[wild lodge]

Ok ty

[mighty stump]

@solid frigate You probably should improve your delivery regarding team criticism

[solid frigate]

probably yeah,Also i'm at school so probably not the best

[lusty gull]

Whats a good Iron Thorns set?

Want to avoid choice items as I hate being locked into a move, prefer a set up sweeper set personally

[solid frigate]

there aren't that much sets for Thorns due to T-Tar being the better one

[wild lodge]

I just updated the team hopefully this is better I was thinking of subbing out sunflora but I couldn't bring myself to do it because it's the only reason why I decided to make a team

[lusty gull]

Ah I gotchu, I only ask because I caught a shiny one and I plan on using it somehow lol

Any help is appreciated!

[wild lodge]

The only suggestion I could give for an iron Thorns set could be neutralising gas from weezing because that ability doesn't effect quark drive I think

[lusty gull]

I'm just looking for a moveset, nature and ev spread 🙂 hopefully a d dance set or something

[wild lodge]

Ill try to think of one for you

[lusty gull]

Maybe d dance/stone edge/wild charge/ice punch, jolly 252 atk/252 spe/4 spd?

Maximises that sad 72 base speed lmao

[wild lodge]

Maybe but what would be the tera and item?

[solid frigate]

didn't they patched that

[lusty gull]

Thinking air balloon to nullify that 4x ground weakness?

[solid frigate]

nope don't

Thats a waste of the Item,and you have Tera

[lusty gull]

Okok

Booster? And then a defensive tera type like grass or flying to cover the gigantic weakness?

[wild lodge]

If you also have a electric terrain setter you won't need booster energy

[lusty gull]

Oh that's an amazing shout actually

[solid frigate]

who would be the setter then

[wild lodge]

Idk I'm not that good specs miraidon maybe?

[solid frigate]

what is the format? Reg G or Reg H?

[lusty gull]

Ima be real, I dont know the difference as I haven't battled in SV yet

I just started shiny hunting lmao

[wild lodge]

If it's h you can do a bulky pichurchin with toxic maybe

[solid frigate]

Reg G=Restricteds (Box Art Legendary)
Reg H=National Dex-Legendary and Paradox

[lusty gull]

Screw Reg H then

How do I find reg G in game? I'm still new to the UI and stuff so I do apologise

[solid frigate]

1. does it able to contribute on your team for the Long run?

[solid frigate]

its fixed,rn its Reg H

[lusty gull]

Oh, ew

[solid frigate]

Reg G will be back in Janurary

[wild lodge]

Well it has electric terrain as an ability

[lusty gull]

Is it just those 2 regs?

[solid frigate]

currently because all the other ones Reg A-F are over

[solid frigate]

but does it contribute outside of this specfic ability

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 871: Pincurchin

Type

Electric

Abilities

Lightning Rod, Electric Surge (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

48/101/95/91/85/15

Total

435

Sableye version 4.28.1

[lusty gull]

Doesn't quark proc in sun?

Could build it in a sun team if so

[solid frigate]

Quark Drive only works in E-Terrain

[tiny karma]

Ability: Quark Drive

If Electric Terrain is active or this Pokemon uses a held Booster Energy, this Pokemon's highest stat is multiplied by 1.3, or by 1.5 if the highest stat is Speed. Stat stage changes are considered at the time this Ability activates. If multiple stats are tied, Attack, Defense, Special Attack, Special Defense, and Speed are prioritized in that order. If this effect was started by Electric Terrain, a held Booster Energy will not activate and the effect ends when Electric Terrain is no longer active. If this effect was started by a held Booster Energy, it ends when this Pokemon is no longer active.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[lusty gull]

Ohhh, I'm thinking of proto

[tiny karma]

Ability: Protosynthesis

If Sunny Day is active or this Pokemon uses a held Booster Energy, this Pokemon's highest stat is multiplied by 1.3, or by 1.5 if the highest stat is Speed. Stat stage changes are considered at the time this Ability activates. If multiple stats are tied, Attack, Defense, Special Attack, Special Defense, and Speed are prioritized in that order. If this effect was started by Sunny Day, a held Booster Energy will not activate and the effect ends when Sunny Day is no longer active. If this effect was started by a held Booster Energy, it ends when this Pokemon is no longer active.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[lusty gull]

Gotchu!

[solid frigate]

honestly imo,E-terrain isn't as valueable as in Reg G,mostly because the Setter actually able to contribute towards the game but Pincurrchin not really in terms of long run

Especially BM Ursaluna and Regular Ursaluna Exists,Not to mention Garchomp

[lusty gull]

Shuca Berry Pincurchin lol

Anyways, back to IT lmao

[solid frigate]

252 Atk Garchomp Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Shuca Berry Pincurchin: 64-76 (41.2 - 49%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

You could just Double Up.

this is Doubles not singles

[lusty gull]

Btw is reg H in casual battles too or are they free reign?

[solid frigate]

252 SpA Life Orb Ursaluna-Bloodmoon Blood Moon vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Pincurchin: 181-214 (116.7 - 138%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Guts Ursaluna Facade (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Pincurchin: 154-183 (99.3 - 118%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO

[solid frigate]

Casual battles don't follow any ruleset

[lusty gull]

So it's basically just AG

[solid frigate]

yes

[lusty gull]

Perfect

[lusty gull]

Is this good enough ya think? Supercell is too risky with my luck, don't fancy losing half my health on a bad coin flip

[molten oasis]

Why are we trying to get iron thorns to work?

[mighty stump]

I think they're playing casual singles.

[lusty gull]

I caught it shiny and am gonna use it in casual singles yeah

[mighty stump]

You'll probably find it difficult to find much advice; We don't really speak much regarding Singles and especially more true for Casuals

[lusty gull]

Ah gotcha! I don't know where else to ask ngl haha, I'm pretty shoddy at team building

[mighty stump]

Well it depends, sticking to the casual side of things makes it difficult to learn the game when majority of players you'd want to listen to are competitively inclined, hence their perspectives would stem from there

With regards to singles, its rare to find anyone playing BSS unless you speak Japanese

BSS = Battle Stadium Singles

With Doubles, it's easier to access

[lusty gull]

So essentially it's worth going into comp doubles?

[mighty stump]

That is the main official competitive format, yes

[lusty gull]

When I play Showdown I tend to play randoms which is singles format so thats where my battling strength lies

[mighty stump]

But then begs the question of keeping expectations in check. Luckily, right now is the lowest power format we've had since the start of the game, so a lot more stuff is viable.

[mighty stump]

How high did you manage to get, elo wise?

[lusty gull]

I tend to hover around 1700 elo before my bad luck kicks in lmao

[mighty stump]

So decently enough then to understand play

[lusty gull]

Oh yeah, I like to think I'm a decently competent battler. Back in ORAS I used to participate and sometimes win local tournaments

[mighty stump]

Then it's just a question of refining your plays and thoughts within a doubles context if you intend to pursue this avenue, since fundamentally a lot of formats are similar.

[lusty gull]

Its just the building aspect I struggle with lol

[mighty stump]

I would say they are different skills that inform each other.

[lusty gull]

Is it take 6, pick 4?

[mighty stump]

Yes.

And it's pertinent to have a good understanding of the metagame since teambuilding requires intent and deliberate decisions. Obviously, adjustments can be made on the fly through gameplay as well, but it helps to have a solid basis.

That's just my opinion

[lusty gull]

Is it the kinda metagame where we can pick a Mon we love and build around it? Or are there set options which are widely used?

[mighty stump]

I mean, technically, you can always pick a mon you like and build around it, but you still always have to respect the meta. Teambuilding is always relative.

There sometimes can be "set options" that are widely used but that's for good reason and should be seen as assistive tools in teambuilding to enable the Pokemon you lke rather than feeling railroaded.

However, realistic expectations are necessary to not try and force Pokemon to do things they are never meant to do

It also helps to just build your skills to a point where you can start utilising more unique picks since you have that key understanding of how it would interact with the rest of the meta

[lusty gull]

So, for example, if I wanted to utilise a Medicham, would that be at all viable currently?

Since that's my next shiny hunt and my ORAS MVP

[mighty stump]

Viable and good are two different words. A lot of things are viable. Wouldn't necessarily be good.

So I don't see why not

But then (at least for me) I'd also want reasoning as to why you're picking Medicham beyond "I like it"

More as an exercise to understand what tools it can provide and then how it would function

Which informs the rest of your teambuild decisions

[lusty gull]

Cool shiny, pure power, good typing and moveset imho

[mighty stump]

Yeah but:

• What about it has a good typing?
• What matchups are you utilising it in for?
• Is the typing relevant offensively or defensively?
• What moves? Why those moves?

[lusty gull]

Ohhh I see what you're saying now, I think

[mighty stump]

I view moveslots and teamslots as a resource, so you really want to gain value from those slots

I don't want to ever have a dud move

[lusty gull]

I hear you!

[real prairie]

i miss anything exciting?

[mighty stump]

Like for example, see these Medicham sets, ignoring Teras.

There are right, meh, and wrong ways to utilise a Pokemon.

The first set would probably be your most likely regular set. Nothing exciting, utilising 2 STAB + Fake Out utility which is generally useful, and a standard defensive move in Protect.

AV Medicham might make sense on paper, until you see its stats and it's not necessarily something you'd be trying to utilise as a defensive Pokemon full of coverage

Calm Mind Medicham is essentially using the wrong stat, wrong moves relative to the ability, and an item that won't really provide much use

Further things to understand then about Medicham:

• Frail
• Going to be utilised offensively because of point 1
• Moveset choice will be important since a lack of staying power means lower number of turns possible to be present: higher impact required per turn

[lusty gull]

How about utilising a choice band with it? Dual stab, prio and weakness coverage?

[mighty stump]

That is a potential option. Choice Scarf/Choice Band. Then you'd also want to consider the current metagame speed tiers: Is base 80 Spe fast enough?

[lusty gull]

True, with PP it's essentially banded lol

[real prairie]

maybe for this reg, but absolutely not in general lol

[mighty stump]

There isn't a right or wrong from this point:

• If Choice Band, this warrant speed control and you can maximise your offenses, altering your team dynamic.
• If Choice Scarf, self sufficiency is present creating wider flexibility within a team

[mighty stump]

You're missing the point, this whole conversation is an exercise in building understanding as to why the small choices in teambuilding matter

[lusty gull]

I think I get it now

[mighty stump]

Then you create a set that you believe would be relevant, while keeping the meta in view. Things such as:

• Am I missing any relevant coverage in this Pokemon against common threats?
• Will I be able to fit something in that can deal with said threat on the team, or will I be doing so in the moveslot to create self-sufficiency?

Then the subjective aspect comes from how you want to play, and what feels good to you

Maybe some prefer Choice Band, some prefer Choice Scarf, some can play with Focus Sash

[lusty gull]

So it's building a team, considering any and all options, reasonings and possibilities, and then determining what you want your win condition to be ?

[mighty stump]

Other moves to consider are things like Bullet Punch, Taunt, Upper Hand, which all have room for consideration

[mighty stump]

Correct. I personally like to be able to vocalise and explain most of my choices when putting things into a team I intend on playing long term

There is no harm in slapping random things together to just verify a concept

But once you've settled on a seed you intend to plant and water then you pretty much should want to know what you're doing

But that's just my 2 cents

I'm not perfect either

[lusty gull]

If I build a Medicham, I'd utilise a prio move like BP with the band, if it's scarfed then I'd go pure power in stabs and coverage. I'd say that's a good way to start

[mighty stump]

Yep

[lusty gull]

Plus even then, with the band, I could utilise a Galvantula for example for webs

[mighty stump]

If you want to see an example of how a thorough understanding of a Pokemon can really make something you'd love to play with, I did so with my favourite in Regulation G

https://tofu-snorlax.hatenablog.com/entry/tofulax

https://tofu-snorlax.hatenablog.com/entry/Sunlax Or thought processes over a whole team

Not to self promote, but I write these with the purpose of trying to get people to understand underlying concepts such as what we've discussed so far

[mighty stump]

Correct consideration: Then you'd have to look at all the available tools for, let's say, speed control and whether or not they'd do well in the meta:

For example, Sticky Webs might not be great since we have mons that are either Defiant or Flying types, and then you'd either have no control over their brings and you might be out of a speed control option

[lusty gull]

No its good, I've actually learned a lot in this little chat and I feel I can use Medicham as a base and build reliably around it

If I can't use webs, I find an alternative, maybe a prankster para spreader, or just a fast one to move around dark types

[mighty stump]

Correct. Paralyse, Tailwind, Icy Wind, EWebs rather than Sticky Webs

For small examples

[lusty gull]

Heavy Duty Boots are common I'd assume so they bypass webs anyways

[mighty stump]

In Doubles, less so: Hazards are not really relevant

I've probably only seen one HDB user in like thousands of games and it might be just a mistake.

[lusty gull]

Ohhh okay, that's good to know!

[mighty stump]

In the pins: There are a bunch of VGC (doubles) related resources that you can peruse in your own time

Usage stats are also nice to see what's common and what to somewhat expect

I do want to point out early usage stats aren't law

It's just data after all.

[lusty gull]

Thats perfect, thank you very much my man!

[mighty stump]

No problem. You can always send pastes in this channel and gain some feedback. Although whether or not they are good feedback, it's up to you

[lusty gull]

Thank you again

[real prairie]

ah my bad 🙂

[mighty stump]

No worries. I’m not saying X is good, but this is kind of how I’d approach a build with something different (although, it’s not much different from building something standard)

[humble cedar]

any reason to not make breloom max speed

and jolly

I'm honing in EVs for my team

[solid frigate]

what are you cookin

[real prairie]

I feel there is an issue with this team but cant figure out what https://pokepast.es/f0076679cea969f5

[molten oasis]

You tell me

[real prairie]

any help is appreciated lol

[molten oasis]

Get rid of rain dance on peli

Weather ball

[real prairie]

moves im less worried about, but yeah thats an obvious one. thats what i get doing it at 3am loool

[molten oasis]

Probably want modest nature Archaludon

[real prairie]

more the structure of the team

[molten oasis]

I don’t get what gastro is doing there

[chrome knot]

this sneasler set is

….

[molten oasis]

Oh what the

[chrome knot]

hahah

[molten oasis]

Dawg what is that sneasler set

[real prairie]

surf absorber lol

[chrome knot]

@molten oasis a9 vivi chomp is kinda fire btw

[real prairie]

Anti Ape sneasler lool

[molten oasis]

Vivi?

[chrome knot]

vivillon

[molten oasis]

Ah, is vivi tw/sleep powder support?

I’m finding chomp a9 to already feel solid

[chrome knot]

sleep rage hurricane protect

[molten oasis]

Ground coverage helps a9 so much

[chrome knot]

@ ghost sash

[molten oasis]

What’s the a9 set then, cloak?

[molten oasis]

Just use flamigo then

[chrome knot]

cloak @ blizzard freeze dry encore protect

tera fire

[molten oasis]

Neat, maybe I’ll check that out

Fast sleep sounds interesting, and it’s more consistent with compound eyes

[tiny karma]

Ability: Compound Eyes

This Pokemon's moves have their accuracy multiplied by 1.3.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[molten oasis]

That’s more than I thought

[chrome knot]

98% sleep powders

[molten oasis]

That’s awesome

[tiny karma]

Move: Hurricane

Has a 30% chance to confuse the target. This move can hit a target using Bounce, Fly, or Sky Drop, or is under the effect of Sky Drop. If the weather is Primordial Sea or Rain Dance, this move does not check accuracy. If the weather is Desolate Land or Sunny Day, this move's accuracy is 50%. If this move is used against a Pokemon holding Utility Umbrella, this move's accuracy remains at 70%.

Type

Flying

Category

Special

Power

110

Accuracy

70

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Wind

Triggers Wind Power and Wind Rider.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[chrome knot]

91% hurricane

[molten oasis]

Better than 70 lol

[chrome knot]

ofc

i sent no ev paste yday lemme find

[molten oasis]

Ight

@real prairie just to be clear, I still think ludi is not doing you many favors and the surf spam idea is just gimmicky at best

[chrome knot]

https://pokepast.es/ef5a3fdde9dda1ff

[molten oasis]

Cool, I’ll try that out looks fun

Standard a9 is now no veil lol

[chrome knot]

too much weather

[molten oasis]

For sure

[chrome knot]

aurora veil on ots is too linear of a line

[molten oasis]

Just making it offensive is super nice tbh

Encore also one of my favorite tools

[molten oasis]

For sure, glad a9 gets to do something in the format tho

Freeze dry is really strong

[humble cedar]

fast sleep

with tailwind

and I'm thinking I run gunk shot over SD to hit whimsicott

[solid frigate]

didn't it learn bullet punch or is it just me

[tiny karma]

Breloom's moveset:

Physical Moves

Aerial Ace, Body Slam, Brick Break, Bulldoze, Bullet Seed, Close Combat, Counter, Cut, Dig, Double-Edge, Drain Punch, Dynamic Punch, Facade, False Swipe, Feint, Fling, Focus Punch, Force Palm, Frustration, Fury Cutter, Giga Impact, Gunk Shot, Headbutt, Iron Tail, Low Kick, Low Sweep, Mach Punch, Mega Kick, Mega Punch, Natural Gift, Poison Jab, Pounce, Power-Up Punch, Retaliate, Return, Reversal, Rock Slide, Rock Smash, Rock Tomb, Secret Power, Seed Bomb, Seismic Toss, Sky Uppercut, Stone Edge, Strength, Superpower, Tackle, Take Down, Thunder Punch, Wake-Up Slap, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Absorb, Energy Ball, Focus Blast, Giga Drain, Grass Knot, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Leaf Storm, Magical Leaf, Mega Drain, Mud Shot, Mud-Slap, Round, Sludge Bomb, Snore, Solar Beam, Swift, Tera Blast, Vacuum Wave, Venoshock

Status Moves

Attract, Bulk Up, Captivate, Charm, Confide, Double Team, Endure, Fake Tears, Flash, Grassy Terrain, Growth, Helping Hand, Laser Focus, Leech Seed, Mimic, Mind Reader, Poison Powder, Protect, Rain Dance, Refresh, Rest, Safeguard, Sleep Talk, Snatch, Spore, Stun Spore, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Swords Dance, Synthesis, Toxic, Work Up, Worry Seed

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Breloom.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[solid frigate]

nvm

[humble cedar]

idk I'm not a move guy

[solid frigate]

yeah thats why i say nvm

but i would recommend Poison Jab cuz its more accurate than Gunk Shot

[humble cedar]

pussies at GF didn't give it trailblaze

[humble cedar]

oh it learns that? whoops

I didn't really look at the whole move list when I was picking them my brain just saw high BP and went ooga booga

[chrome knot]

yeah give a spore mon a way to increase its speed real smart

[molten oasis]

lol

[solid frigate]

lol

[humble cedar]

[chrome knot]

yeah

[humble cedar]

I switched SD for poisin jab let's see how this goes

[molten oasis]

We have a way scarf toedscruel with weezing

(This set is trash don’t use it)

[humble cedar]

scarf spore is diabolical

[polar canyon]

yo

[shadow wind]

Just use Breloom at that point

[humble cedar]

I just had the greatest read of my career

I nasty plotted in front of a boosted gholdengo bc I called his protect and it won me the game

[solid frigate]

thats- honestly normal

[humble cedar]

well I'm a bad player so I have to celebrate my small victories

👑

[solid frigate]

i don't really think there are bad players,Its just those who learn or don't learn from others and yourself

[wild lodge]

I made a sun team with sunflora because I think it would be funny what do you think?

[chrome knot]

kinda awful

[solid frigate]

told him already

[wild lodge]

Kinda rude

[chrome knot]

you asked what i thought

[mighty stump]

Your team kinda just straight loses to Garchomp

and Arma Psyspam

or Sand

[wild lodge]

Why though that's what I want to know

I'm new to comp and wanted to make a team with a Pokémon that I liked

[mighty stump]

Unfortunately the prevailing truth of competitive Pokemon is that you can't just make a team with Pokemon you like without respecting the metagame

Not everything is viable/good

[wild lodge]

Yeah but I dont know what that is

[mighty stump]

Even at the top of their potential + maximum effort of play a lot of mons will fall short

[mighty stump]

Then in the most genuine sense, and this is something I tell every new player, don't start off with teambuilding

[wild lodge]

That's why I came here I wanted to know the strength and weaknesses of my team

[solid frigate]

just start of with Rental Teams

[mighty stump]

Look up stats, play games with an established team, understand how those teams function and what things are going to be common

Know what underlying requirements a team needs to function

Just knowing your own teams' ins and outs aren't enough if you haven't done it relative to the whole game-state

There are resources in the pins that can help you start off

[wild lodge]

I would rather use something fun rather than adamant garchomp is focus band and sash liligant

[chrome knot]

youre in luck!! garchomp doesn’t use band :^)

[mighty stump]

I can't stop you, I'm just going to hope you understand your experience might not be pleasant and you might just feel lost

The knowledge barrier is the main thing about VGC/Competitive

[solid frigate]

you have to drop the mentality on only using favourites to play Comp,especially newcomers,just like tofu said,it would make you struggle if you keep using the mentality

[wild lodge]

Everything that I have seen garchomp in uses band

[chrome knot]

life orb type shit

[solid frigate]

Clear Amulet in early meta as well

[mighty stump]

So far Garchomps most common item is Clear Amulet or Life Orb

[foggy lodge]

ive seen scarf chomp

:v

[mighty stump]

That's just the Alberto Lara set

[solid frigate]

Scarf Chomp is just-

[mighty stump]

and if you're not Alberto Lara, what are you doing

[solid frigate]

also like what does it achieve anyways

[mighty stump]

Scarf Chomp? Only real goal is to outspeed things it shouldn't lol

[solid frigate]

which could be done by Tailwind so yeah Waste an Item Slot

[mighty stump]

I don't know what Lara considers when running Chomp

[mighty stump]

Equalised TW, opposing Scarf...

[solid frigate]

in max Speed?

ok nvm

[wild lodge]

So I come here looking for advice but instead I just get called bad ty

[mighty stump]

Chomp only hits 169 and that's if you're Jolly

[mighty stump]

If that's how you want to frame the standard starting advice, then that is your perogative

[solid frigate]

its more like can you accept and learn even if its harsh

hell Tofu said Harsh Reality and you need to understand how to play VGC In a more better way

[mighty stump]

I can't speak for anyone else, but that's just how I put it.

[solid frigate]

its alright tofu

[chrome knot]

im jolly @ 158spe to creep annihilape and still have bulk available

[mighty stump]

Jolly sux no damage 5head

[wild lodge]

You know what I should of just never asked thanks for nothing

[mighty stump]

Bye

[chrome knot]

its a 130 base damage mon.

[mighty stump]

0 dmg

[chrome knot]

im sure hes got this in the bag

[mighty stump]

he smells

[chrome knot]

probably

but vivillon makes him smell cute

[solid frigate]

how to see someone pessimistic be like

[chrome knot]

its always the thanks for nothing lmfao

like brother you are not the main character

[solid frigate]

any learner should open up for learning

Like hell i am still learning Reg H lol

[molten oasis]

Jolly sucks?

[mighty stump]

u suc

[solid frigate]

suc

[molten oasis]

So max att max speed Garchomp sucks?

[mighty stump]

garchomp suc is lame

[molten oasis]

[solid frigate]

Max Speed Jolly ehhhhh

[molten oasis]

Idk how to ev garchomp lol

[solid frigate]

Max Attack Max Speed usually?

[mighty stump]

This is me coming off of the fact Mamoswine had the same atk stat and did 0 damage with CB

[molten oasis]

[chrome knot]

manoswine isnt garchomp thats why

[solid frigate]

[mighty stump]

same atk stat same STAB

[solid frigate]

PFFT

[chrome knot]

I DONT CARE

GARCHOMP IS BUILT DIFFERENTTTTT

[molten oasis]

I have sd is jolly fine then

(My normal team doesn’t really like eq)

[solid frigate]

SD should be fine with Jolly

Just if you can Set up safely

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/4e4d9ce5c8f0ca34 I’d say so

Not that I’m trying to set up sd often

[solid frigate]

yeah you can Set up pretty safe imo

but its your own choice if you wanna Set up

[molten oasis]

mhm

[tiny karma]

Ability: Illusion

When this Pokemon switches in, it appears as the last unfainted Pokemon in its party until it takes direct damage from another Pokemon's attack. This Pokemon's actual level and HP are displayed instead of those of the mimicked Pokemon.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[real prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/oof-disappointed-facepalm-reaction-vicente-del-bosque-gif-17817343

[chrome knot]

?

[solid frigate]

imagine missing the 98%

[chrome knot]

i played 3 formats of 75% sleep powder ill be fine

[bold geode]

Damn something that sux gave me trauma as a kid

[mighty stump]

you were just bad at the game

do you wanna play a set

im bored

[bold geode]

Fuck it

Lemme hop on Showdown

Time for that weegeecee
Behold

Pie Monke

[mighty stump]

Behold

[tiny karma]

Ability: Compound Eyes

This Pokemon's moves have their accuracy multiplied by 1.3.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[mighty stump]

LOL

Bro had to check

[solid frigate]

weegeecee

[molten oasis]

Y’all playing sets?

[mighty stump]

Yeah Monke just RNG'd x2 16% in a row