competitive_discussion

[dense latch]

but im unsure as to whether it's better than stomping tantrum or not

[torn parrot]

Wow ninetales won?

No aurora veil ninetales 😎

[chrome knot]

no ninetales lost lol

[foggy lodge]

lol

Still 2nd place pretty good

@solid frigate https://pokepast.es/2e0330defeeafc76

wait no wrong paste

https://pokepast.es/e412cc92fe6853fe

[molten oasis]

What team

[solid frigate]

i would change a bit on Dengo

other than that its ok

what is the ranking of that team btw

[dense latch]

they placed 80th

7-4

[solid frigate]

eh still nice

[dull ibex]

typholision sun is cool but has one weaknes 🙂

ME

[molten oasis]

I wish lol

Maushold was too powerful

[torn parrot]

Wasn’t expecting it to kill through defense boost

I guess 300 base power is a lot of power

[molten oasis]

No shit lmao

I think it does show a9 has potential tho

As an offensive Mon without veil, which is what felt clunky about the Mon in the first place

[torn parrot]

Yeah that’s what Iv always not liked about it

It’s the worst way to get screens up

[foggy lodge]

so

Electabuzz-Rillaboom-Kingambit-Sneasler is a popular core now?

[bold geode]

Been like that
Or just Rilla Sneasler Buzz Pult

But Gambit usually on those too or like Volc too

[dull ibex]

@bold geode p2 op

[bold geode]

Cool
"Sneasler use Dire Claw"

[spiral ridge]

NAAA FOUL

[molten oasis]

Right now yea

There’s too much weather control

[bold geode]

https://x.com/MoxieBoosted/status/1835424979178999881?t=xLd9QlBhBm6tAfDssjvdDw&s=19

Ball Up Hawk (@MoxieBoosted) on X

POV you're Paul's dragonite

Twitter · Sep 15, 2024, 9:06 PM

[dull ibex]

Lol

[spiral ridge]

ive never been more terrified of these fuckers

dragonite and its beer belly got chipped away to death from a few mice

[bold geode]

cough cough Tera Ghost
Cough cough Helmet

[spiral ridge]

okay but thats using my brain

[bold geode]

No it ain't lmao

[spiral ridge]

using my brain to prep for a certain mon?

[bold geode]

The cool thing about Pop Bomb Maus is you can use Helmet or Rough Skin Chomp to make it kill itself

[shadow wind]

Finally made a climb with a new team

Alolan persian my goat 🙏

[spiral ridge]

yup

[bold geode]

In fact funnily enough the combo of MausArch can probably be fought with MausApe lmao

[shadow wind]

MausArch loses to 2 well timed crits

Trust

[bold geode]

Sneasler + redirection, boom

[shadow wind]

And then it's sturdy 😔

[bold geode]

Only in CTS maybe
If people run this strat, it's gonna be Stamina

[shadow wind]

Well obviously

[molten oasis]

Lmfao

[shadow wind]

But yeah CTS is fried

Tera normal maushold to pop bomb everything

[bold geode]

Like this strat is gonna be very honest

[shadow wind]

With final gambit ape

😔

[bold geode]

It's not as useful to fake this strat like MausApe is

[shadow wind]

Oh for sure

[molten oasis]

Now I get to fake it out/ruin its life with harc

And dengo

[shadow wind]

In this it was a CTS example

So you would have 0 clue

[bold geode]

252 Atk Technician Maushold Population Bomb (10 hits) vs. 252 HP / 212 Def Eviolite Electabuzz: 150-180 (87.2 - 104.6%) -- very low chance to OHKO
Ah I don't even need Ghost Tera lmao

[molten oasis]

Nah it’s fair to expect more pop bomb maushold

Cuz it just won a regional

[spiral ridge]

what was the roll for it killing drag anyway?

[bold geode]

Eh probably not that bad

Actually y'know what with my current team, I have like 2 Steel teras too so lmfao

[thin fjord]

Is farming the event Blisseys the best way to max out Terra Shards of all types?

[bold geode]

252 Atk Technician Maushold Population Bomb (10 hits) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Tera-Steel Sneasler: 130-160 (83.3 - 102.5%) -- very low chance to OHKO

This can be something too lol

It's honestly not that hard to deal with this Maus

[foggy lodge]

got cooked by forgetting that Rage fist does not reset after switching

Damn

[atomic portal]

just run choice band adamant t normal maus in gravity

🧠

[mighty stump]

lmao Rain won

We were wrong

kek

[torn parrot]

I can’t beleive that archaludon basculgeion rain won

I can’t beleive it truly

[atomic mural]

ikr

[mighty stump]

o well

[atomic mural]

i really thought volbeat wouldve taken it all

[mighty stump]

Bait used to be believable

[atomic mural]

i guess we underestimated arch basculegion huh

[mighty stump]

Literally no one underestimated rain, it was the archetype to beat

[molten oasis]

It’s just built different

[mighty stump]

You can always skill diff your opp lol its not like Rain is linear

[molten oasis]

A9 tried its best

That maushold was so bad for Chua

[mighty stump]

MausApe and Psyspam fell short as standard at higher play

Hyphlosion is eh

[molten oasis]

Balance and rain ig

[mighty stump]

Rocky Helmet time

[molten oasis]

Rocky helmet amoonguss returns

[plain drum]

Monke beat me to it I see

[molten oasis]

He did yea

[plain drum]

I've got something else but I don't even know if it's relevant after the event, hold on

https://x.com/jprpt98/status/1834955005083648139?s=46&t=60urqjtERYqVRP5v9uf5XQ

JPR (@JPRPT98) on X

My mom got home and asked me “did you wash the dishes?”

I waited a moment, and then replied “Gen 9 Regulation H Electabuzz”

She threw down her purse in frustration. She knew they weren’t washed.

Twitter · Sep 14, 2024, 1:58 PM

[chrome knot]

buzz sucks

[chrome knot]

dawei t4’d

[bold geode]

You suck

Buzz is amazing

I want one mfer to try Static Buzz now lmao

[atomic mural]

electabuzz gets knock off?

[pallid hare]

yes

[atomic mural]

i genuinely didnt know that

[foggy lodge]

Thoughts? https://pokepast.es/190cee7a2e94c84f

[chrome knot]

Justin Tang’s Baltimore Regional OTS

[atomic mural]

your Justin Tang's Baltimore Pokemon VGC Regional Championship 2025 Open Team Sheet looks pretty good

[mighty stump]

P2 Ursa incredible conversion

Incin 6/8 on T8 and Gholdengo 5/8

Same for Amogus

[bold geode]

Yeah
I will say I didn't think Arch Rain would win due to the target on its back, but damn is that MausArch mode fucking atrocious

Also ngl Tofu G1 of the finals set, I was hoping Arch would Tera Grass and Dnite Tera Flying Blast would OHKO cuz of the Dnite IV thing

[mighty stump]

I mean you know from experience how annoying MausArch can be lol

Didn’t think it’d go that far but ig Pop Bomb makes sense

[bold geode]

Yeah some dude named Thiaggo went with same thing in VR and did well

[solid frigate]

I'm just gonna try that team

[rustic mountain]

not sure i understand pauls lack of adjustment g3

[mighty stump]

Maybe he made a call

[rustic mountain]

just seems risky considering how the g2 lead went for him

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 135: Jolteon

Type

Electric

Abilities

Volt Absorb, Quick Feet (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

65/65/60/110/95/130

Total

525

Sableye version 4.28.1

[chrome knot]

tofu which flavour of p2 do i bring to tryout tmrw

[tiny karma]

Ability: Quick Feet

If this Pokemon has a non-volatile status condition, its Speed is multiplied by 1.5. This Pokemon ignores the paralysis effect of halving Speed.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[dull ibex]

tofu are you back to giving team opinions?

[torn parrot]

byabyabyabyabyabya

[torn parrot]

god i know, it really came out of nowhere 😔 who could have thought

[foggy lodge]

tf is this https://pokepast.es/327e3e9ed8c22c89

Everything is pretty normal but why Hypno

[solid frigate]

the set also looks weird as well-

[dull ibex]

I'm finally fixing my incin

It's now 244 4 4 4 252+

[chrome knot]

pfft why

[dull ibex]

I just need to get jolly on it

[molten oasis]

wha?

[dull ibex]

The original set was bad

OK not bad but it was specifically for av

Wanted something more general

[dull ibex]

Common set

[chrome knot]

thats not general…

252 jolly is pretty specific lmao

[dull ibex]

OK simplier

[chrome knot]

i only ran 252 jolly on cir bc i had to be the fastest fake out in the room

[dull ibex]

It's better now

[dull ibex]

244hp 252 speed jolly

I've had the idea for max max anyhow this is slightly better

[chrome knot]

in a format where id rather be the slowest parting shot and kinda fat idrk abt that

[dull ibex]

Ig so

Ig I could remove and find a different spread tbh

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 530: Excadrill

Types

Ground/Steel

Abilities

Sand Rush, Sand Force, Mold Breaker (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

110/135/60/50/65/88

Total

508

Sableye version 4.28.1

[dull ibex]

Meh anyways I'm trying out p2 balance until better comes along

My clef balance with p2 is fun

[mighty stump]

I mean

Its pretty good already as far as it goes

[dull ibex]

Fair

I've been trying p2 on it

[mighty stump]

oh without Ursa?

[dull ibex]

why are p2 and ursa such a good combo btw?

[molten oasis]

im also curious

ik they're good together idk why

[dull ibex]

but also what is the basic formula of p2 balance im really enjoying p2

[bold geode]

Ursaluna is just a strong AF TR Mon and P2 is a premier TR setter that just won't die at points so combine those two and yeah

[dull ibex]

does it have to be nornal ursaluna?

[foggy lodge]

Normal Ursaluna is usually better due to inmunity to spore

[dull ibex]

oh right because of burn

[bold geode]

Yeah usually
I've seen BloodMoon but like Regular Ursa is better due to Flame Orb burns stopping Spore

[foggy lodge]

also the physical Ursaluna that can be covered by the special attack of Porygon2

[bold geode]

Plus with Bloodmoon sure you can hit Ghost types but you still gotta click EP into Gholdengo

[chrome knot]

unkillable trick room setter + best tr sweeper

hmmmm tough case to crack i think!!

[dull ibex]

hmm alright

[chrome knot]

ice/ground hard to cover for

its why cir ran lance+hhp

[dull ibex]

mhm mhm

as far as p2 on clef balance

ig I could add ursa too? im not sure what I would replace or if I even could replace something else

[chrome knot]

idek what ur team is

[dull ibex]

https://pokepast.es/0f5363074e6a55b0 p2 spread is different in game

[chrome knot]

aight why is p2 here

brother does not belong in this crowd

[dull ibex]

tr setter was offensive

takes names

original thought was farig

[real prairie]

people are seeing maus in showdown and are forfeiting 🤣

[cyan smelt]

What's maus doing

[dull ibex]

pop bomb beat up arch

[cyan smelt]

Gross

[dull ibex]

its funni

[solid frigate]

funni

[fleet topaz]

I said this like a year ago... finally seeing it again when people doubt it is funny as hell. https://youtube.com/shorts/ZfG2cCx-TqA?si=N3A02cFS41A4QWAU

[solid frigate]

I think its just most people tend to look at:

1. Are they comparable to meta threats?
   2.Does Ability and Items mix well with the Pokemon's Potential

[mighty stump]

I’m pleased Maushold at least has one result to its name

[solid frigate]

The third game is just Maushold having Murderous Intent

[mighty stump]

Also Normal Ursa threatens constant KOs

[chrome knot]

nobody doubted maushold it was a threat to look for in each format it was good in lol

[mighty stump]

Good support mon

[chrome knot]

tofu i redid my gc team

[mighty stump]

oh naur

[chrome knot]

same concept just meaner

[mighty stump]

How is it meaner

[chrome knot]

making paste

[real prairie]

Ludicolo goes BBRRRR https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2202785833-wcy0lhpe5065itteixbtc408luitflepw

[spiral ridge]

Uh oh

[fleet topaz]

Dang the dancing hat just hit the delete button, hahaha

[solid frigate]

reg H is no legendaries tho

welp

With no restricteds that is base Dark type i guess Tera Dark Caly S would work

[craggy dagger]

hi

i heard dark lunala

[solid frigate]

if you build Lunala or Caly S,Remove Ting-Lu and Replace Pao with Chi yu

[craggy dagger]

ooo a monotype battle-
i assume it’s like paldean gyms with one unrelated that’s tera dark?

[solid frigate]

especially that guy Hinders Caly S or Lunala to do damage

[craggy dagger]

have you chosen which regulation n whether singles or doubles?

[spiral ridge]

They said above they haven’t

[craggy dagger]

ehhhh
they said singles too

if you’re planning doubles i would do as Aegis said and maybe get rid of ting-lu for wo-chein-
maybe?

[solid frigate]

singles is more better for Monotype since Doubles's Dynamic is more indepth than Singles

[solid frigate]

Wo-Chien would work

[craggy dagger]

run tera dark shadow rider n wo chien to help with its low defences

[solid frigate]

Do not underestimate the Snail

[craggy dagger]

4x weak to bug isn’t fun

[craggy dagger]

but it’s good
another option is to use meowscarada n protean

[solid frigate]

didd you say stall

[craggy dagger]

ya

[spiral ridge]

Are both not?

[craggy dagger]

ghost normal

oh is it primary normal .-.

[spiral ridge]

Ahh I thought ghost dark whoops

[craggy dagger]

oops

[craggy dagger]

that my friend, would be spiritomb

[solid frigate]

pure dark

[spiral ridge]

Others can have it too >:(

[solid frigate]

thats Normal Ghost

[spiral ridge]

I know I’m just joking

[craggy dagger]

normal ghost is such a good typing though

[bold geode]

Hai bestie

[spiral ridge]

Just dark weakness right?

[craggy dagger]

it really could yeah

[spiral ridge]

And fighting but only things like flamigo can hit that

[craggy dagger]

mhm-
immune to fighting immune to ghost

[spiral ridge]

Yeah it’s good

[solid frigate]

anyways Speaking of Reg G

God damn it i need to go to Birmingham Regionals as well

[craggy dagger]

scrappy yeah

[spiral ridge]

Mhm

[craggy dagger]

i should start saving for toronto

[spiral ridge]

Oh do you not have a ticket yet?

[solid frigate]

i need to save for 2 events

[craggy dagger]

.-.
they aren’t selling tickets yet i think

[spiral ridge]

well when they do lmk if you need help

[craggy dagger]

but plane tickets

[solid frigate]

isn't like

With Screens you can do the same thing-

[spiral ridge]

Oh :( yeah didn’t think about that

[solid frigate]

Rayquaza is mid when you have Incin on your team

[craggy dagger]

i’m not fucking driving all the way there scotty

[solid frigate]

but you have INCIN,use the CAT

[spiral ridge]

I forgot how far you were from it okay 😭

Is there a train or anything?

[craggy dagger]

down south yes

[spiral ridge]

Would that be cheaper?

[solid frigate]

I'm Going South to Birmingham and then London

Gonna Prepare two Teams for them-

[spiral ridge]

There’s nothing near me for a while so prob not going to another event

Really shoulda signed up for balti but fucked up

[craggy dagger]

scotty why the hell would i need to go down south-

.-.

[spiral ridge]

Why would you mention the train if it wouldn’t get you there

[craggy dagger]

there’s a train that goes down south-

[spiral ridge]

I have no idea where Toronto is compared to you

[craggy dagger]

…

[solid frigate]

I need to sign up for 2 events god damn it

Welp i need to work in the term break i guess

[craggy dagger]

Toronto is what timezone?

and i’m what timezone?

[spiral ridge]

I have no clue what time zone Toronto is

[craggy dagger]

oi @chrome knot

[chrome knot]

hai

est

[solid frigate]

eh its usable

[spiral ridge]

Why would I know where shit is in Canada I don’t even know where shit is in USA

[craggy dagger]

do you mind telling scotty where toronto is .-.

[chrome knot]

…

scotty…

[spiral ridge]

I am awful with places okay

So it’s same time zone as me?

[craggy dagger]

it’s basically across the country for me

[spiral ridge]

Okay but still why would you bring up a train south when I was asking if there’s a train to Toronto 😭

[chrome knot]

scotty if i crossed the border in toronto(technically niagara) id be in new york

[spiral ridge]

That somewhat helps me

Cool

[chrome knot]

upstate new york * so like buffalo

[spiral ridge]

Then yeah that would be a long fucking train a plane would be less time

[chrome knot]

are you going to toronto regional?

[spiral ridge]

Nova is

Hell no I’m not 😭

[craggy dagger]

maybe

still on pending

[spiral ridge]

Goodluck if you do

[craggy dagger]

i’m going just to be squashed

[solid frigate]

At least Nova you go to 1 Event,I need to go to 2-

[craggy dagger]

.-.

i’m going to 2 as well what

[solid frigate]

wait actually

[craggy dagger]

mhm

[chrome knot]

by mee

[craggy dagger]

well maybe 2

[solid frigate]

i guess i am not alone

[craggy dagger]

no you’re gonna be squashed by me

first set-
and then ill lose the other 2 sets

[chrome knot]

youd be so proud of my gc team nova

[solid frigate]

I'm just gonna have fun in Birmingham with my Terapagos Team and then Serious in EUIC with Miraidon

[craggy dagger]

would i…????

[chrome knot]

yes its a gimmick team :3

[craggy dagger]

aannnddd

[chrome knot]

look pms look pms

[craggy dagger]

i try not to play gimmicks anymore huh

[solid frigate]

Nova's Character Development Arc

[craggy dagger]

mmm
gimmicks really don’t work if enemies are through it

[solid frigate]

wait Nova are both your regionals in Reg H?

[craggy dagger]

no

dunno abt toronto but vancouver is reg G

[solid frigate]

at least i am not alone in Reg G department

[craggy dagger]

i’d rather reg G than H imo

[solid frigate]

I mean fair

i might change my Miraidon and Terapagos Team

[craggy dagger]

i need to grind out the blueberry dex for raging bolt .-.

i somehow still do not have bolt n fire

[solid frigate]

good luck

wait you need Bolt for your team or is it for the dex

[craggy dagger]

both lmao

[solid frigate]

can't really judge for BSS

[craggy dagger]

[solid frigate]

welp

I probably have my mons built already but i need to also find a new job and get Travel and Entry Fee

Unless my dad Drove me to there but i need to ask him first

[bold geode]

After a month I don't endorse Rayquaza

[craggy dagger]

what’s with the animal names though

[solid frigate]

Rayquaza mid

Singles player cry

[chrome knot]

@craggy dagger look new in game pfp

[bold geode]

Rayquaza was just a meme for me
Wasn't even that great into weather MUs

[craggy dagger]

cute

[solid frigate]

i know,thank god i am not a rayquaza beliver at the start

[gentle crag]

morrispxg456 has given 1 Gen Rep to dollarmonke

[chrome knot]

do you likey my character

[solid frigate]

also i really need to refresh my brain about Reg G stuff in November cuz i already forgot some stuff in Reg G now

[bold geode]

I only did good with Ray cuz I put a ton of time into that team
Plus sometimes it also forced me to lock in

[solid frigate]

fair

[spiral ridge]

Was my plan with balti lmao

[molten oasis]

Y

[solid frigate]

2 events man.

[spiral ridge]

I hated that team sm

[bold geode]

Mad cuz bad

[spiral ridge]

BROTHWR YOU TOLD ME WHAT MOVW TO DO MOST OF THE TIME

[bold geode]

Scotty I got another team for ya 👀

[molten oasis]

Idt you need to be that prepared

[bold geode]

(I promise this team is not dogshit)

[spiral ridge]

I’m really busy today but I’ll try to make time

[molten oasis]

When is the first event?

[bold geode]

I'm working today so

[spiral ridge]

Cool

[solid frigate]

i need to get a new job-

[molten oasis]

If the first event is January I get it

So is it or not?

[solid frigate]

it is

in Birmingham

[molten oasis]

Ok

I’d expect like December tbh

[solid frigate]

which is literally 1. same country
2. prepare early so that i can prepare Exam without any sort of worry about The Event

[molten oasis]

Idk how you’re gonna get practice without some kind of ladder

[solid frigate]

thats why This Regional is for warm up for EUIC

i did not meant for me to be serious

[solid frigate]

this is fucking cursed lol

[torn parrot]

Zuckerberg

[molten oasis]

Vgc twitter has so much cursed shit lol

[torn parrot]

Saving that

[molten oasis]

Incinewolfe

[solid frigate]

unhinged but funny

[bold geode]

Wait

[solid frigate]

?

[chrome knot]

i meet someone
population bomb
population bomb
population bomb
population bomb
population bomb
population bomb
population bomb
population bomb
population bomb
population bomb

[bold geode]

I meet someone
1
2
3
4

[craggy dagger]

[rustic mountain]

[spiral ridge]

[safe stag]

can anyone help me team build?

[bold geode]

Mr Tree

[solid frigate]

the Maus screm

[mighty stump]

I finished Ace Attorney Investigations and this shit is goated

[solid frigate]

Ace Attorney is a GOATED Game

[mighty stump]

Playing as Edgeworth made it different and the full 5 episode plotline is just too good

[solid frigate]

I think its kinda like a different take on the POV

which i am down with it

[bold geode]

Who now? 🤨

[dull ibex]

Nice that game looks good

[spiral ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/edgewroth-defeat-cant-believe-this-wtf-phoenix-wright-gif-25044933

[molten oasis]

you play as edgeworth?

thats interesting

[spiral ridge]

Yeah it looks great from what I watched
If you’re a fan of the series seems they did good

[balmy glen]

[mighty stump]

I think its actually better than playing as Wright

The extended plotline is great and i actually got hype asf when the music starts playing at the turnabouts

Plus I like the companions more

[spiral ridge]

Interesting

I think some of the things you said is also just the game series getting better which sounds good

[dull ibex]

thats good to know

[mighty stump]

dats the thing tho, AAI is just a remaster essentially

[spiral ridge]

yeah ik

so improving old stuff is always a good sign

rather than remasters keeping all the jank shit

dmc 1-3

[mighty stump]

I should get around to finishing the Ace Attorney Chronicles

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/3352a0aea8071b43 I don’t necessarily want to, but would incin be better over harc here?

I’ve liked having rocks for offensive pressure but I also think incin could be better for psyspam and stuff

[bold geode]

Good job science

[molten oasis]

[pallid hare]

English isnt much better: Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo.

[molten oasis]

How did you get that lmao

[pallid hare]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_buffalo_Buffalo_buffalo_buffalo_buffalo_Buffalo_buffalo

[molten oasis]

HAHAHA WHAT

[pallid hare]

yes, really. that sentence is gramattically correct

[spiral ridge]

Coulda added a few more buffalos but okay

[spiral ridge]

Now we’re talking

[molten oasis]

?

[spiral ridge]

I mean without harc your only flying protection is a9 with ice ain’t it?

And there’s probably gonna be quite a few flying nite after balti

But incin is quite good aswell for nite with the same intim and FO

Shit wait inner focus will be run too
Idk mate both have pros and cons

Idk enough to value those pros and cons effectively

[molten oasis]

Alr, ty I appreciate the help

[spiral ridge]

Np but probably get some others than me 😭

[craggy dagger]

???????????????

[warped mason]

What is the dondozo answer here?

Went 9-2 at the regionals

[chrome knot]

overwhelm it

breloom typhlo pins it

[warped mason]

Oh true, they tera grass

[balmy glen]

And u can spam Draco meteor fun

[spiral ridge]

What’s wrong with what I said?

[chrome knot]

scotty u stink🔥

[spiral ridge]

I was mainly speaking on the multiscale drag as I assumed most would be running that after balti

[spiral ridge]

[molten oasis]

The dnite that won Baltimore was multiscale

[spiral ridge]

wait the maus team also had dnite?

no nicholas won, second place was multiscale nite

[balmy glen]

It didn’t win but ye, multiscale dnite is better imo especially without immediate pressure with Chien and the ability to just click TW etc

[spiral ridge]

so yeah an intim and FO mon will be good into most dnites youll see now

[balmy glen]

I mean all multiscale dnites are paired with Kingambit so not always intim ig lol

[spiral ridge]

mm true

[molten oasis]

Oops lol

My bad I think I misremembered

[molten oasis]

Idk

[molten oasis]

It’s really do I want more support or offensive pressure

[spiral ridge]

that sounds like it comes down to playstyle

[molten oasis]

True

[real prairie]

does cloud Nine disable abilities activated by weather?

like swiftswim for example

[tiny karma]

Ability: Cloud Nine

While this Pokemon is active, the effects of weather conditions are disabled.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[spiral ridge]

should yes

[molten oasis]

It’s effects of weather which includes weather effects

[real prairie]

lol

[strange fjord]

Basically it treats it like clear weather while the ability is active

[real prairie]

its a shame Altaria and Golduck suck

[strange fjord]

Personally, I like using Altaria this regulation. Haze, Tailwind, and Helping Hand are good support moves with the ability to shut down weather for Rain and Sun teams

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 334: Altaria

Types

Dragon/Flying

Abilities

Natural Cure, Cloud Nine (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

75/70/90/70/105/80

Total

490

Other Formes

Altaria-Mega

Sableye version 4.28.1

[molten oasis]

It’s, not especially bulky or fast tho

[strange fjord]

105 Sp Def isnt too bad

75/90/105 isnt exactly terrible

[foggy lodge]

Its decent

[craggy dagger]

no i saw what he said and um
it’s my mistake-
he said incin helps with the dnite MU .-.
saw what he said after

[molten oasis]

Ic lol

[spiral ridge]

all good hun

fair enough to assume im being mega dumb 😭

cus i almost forgot inner focus til last second of my opinion lmao

[craggy dagger]

you and your weird gallade gambit pult mashup

[molten oasis]

What?

Why those 3 together Scotty?

[craggy dagger]

i don’t remember the full team

but it was a mashup of gallade gambit pult uhhhhh
it was a fuck it we ball team

[spiral ridge]

hey it works,
and you helped with it 😭

hit i think 1500 on it?

https://pokepast.es/cb1ea3aaa7db176e
we made this days after reg was announced

[molten oasis]

I did???

[spiral ridge]

love..
nova not you 😭

[molten oasis]

oh good cuz I wouldn’t suggest those 3 with eachother lol

[spiral ridge]

and uh

gallade gambit is great vs psyspam set up, and drag was for mausape

tera fairy blast

[molten oasis]

It looks fine I just don’t like the gallade

[real prairie]

need a good Ape counter, any recommendations? Most common one im seeing is Tera Water so any coverage for that too would be good

[spiral ridge]

its a tailroom team

[molten oasis]

Depends on the team

[spiral ridge]

she put it on and after a while i just kept bringing it more and more it felt so fucking useful

[molten oasis]

Oh, you have a harc, how’s that been going

[real prairie]

https://pokepast.es/53973409f8892456 have space for 1 mon

[molten oasis]

An eforce user

And make that indeedee female

Go like, armarouge

[spiral ridge]

it went pretty okay, used it mainly for rock slide spam

[real prairie]

Indeedee male works okay as an eForce user already though, saves on taking 2 slots for the 1 move

[molten oasis]

That kind of role compression isn’t necessary

[real prairie]

Galewings Talon Flame BraveBird?

[molten oasis]

Psyspam is also really good into that

[real prairie]

or would Psy Terrain protect the priority?

[molten oasis]

Follow me bulk up or just a Tera+beat up rage fist and it’s ggs

[real prairie]

eegghh

Tera flying Ttar?

[torn parrot]

It’s tuff

Redirection is really good into beat up

But if you can kill maushold before it can do anything that’s very hype

[real prairie]

yeah the Maus haven't been my issue thanks to Sneasler, its the poxy bulky set - leftovers Ape

[torn parrot]

Annilape is annoying even on his own for sure

[molten oasis]

Meh, I think the easiest answer is arma and then go female Deedee

I also think male Deedee is so mid and you’d rather have an actual eforce used

[real prairie]

think id do Espeon if i was gonna go back to 2mon PsySpam

[molten oasis]

Why???

What’s wrong with armarouge?

[real prairie]

Fast PsySpammer

[molten oasis]

Delphox then

[real prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/jeremy-clarkson-speed-speed-and-power-gif-27212846

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 196: Espeon

Type

Psychic

Abilities

Synchronize, Magic Bounce (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

65/65/60/130/95/110

Total

525

Sableye version 4.28.1

[molten oasis]

huh, okay then

Idt espeon is very good but armarouge is trash apparently

[real prairie]

nothing wrong with Arm, just not my cuppa tea.

[torn parrot]

Iv been playing unburden Sneasler
Very cool mon

[molten oasis]

You’re scarf typhlosion with murkrow?

Why not go specs

Or even life orb

[torn parrot]

Iv been playing against Sneasler
I hate that mon

[molten oasis]

It’s annoying that’s for sure

[real prairie]

So i can lead it without Murkrow if i need to use Indeedee to stop priority

[torn parrot]

The throat chop ones are the scariest in my opinion

Cus the other ones I can just be like “oh here’s my ghost type fuck you”

[real prairie]

yeah i was using tera dark throat chop for a while

may go back to it

shuts down loads of hypervoice users

[torn parrot]

Acro is pretty cool too

But the throat chop ones don’t get bullied by gholdengo

[molten oasis]

okay I’m just not gonna argue with the team here

[real prairie]

i think i went acro for the imposter 🍄

[torn parrot]

For the other Sneaslers?
Thats kinda smart

[real prairie]

not arguing 😄 taking in the information

[molten oasis]

Dengo can eat a throat chop pretty well

Mhmm sure whatever

Eat as in live at like 30%

[real prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/scouts-honor-donald-trump-alec-baldwin-saturday-night-live-i-promise-gif-18779177

[molten oasis]

It can’t take another one but it can throw a make it rain back at it and explode it

[real prairie]

enough to get that coin tossing nonsense off lol

[molten oasis]

Plus amoonguss is a pain in the ass for it

[torn parrot]

True he can but the alternative is double immunitity

[molten oasis]

lol fr

But if you have dengo answers it’s usually fine

If you, kill the dengo

[real prairie]

wait for the ineviatable tera steel lol Dengo users are greedy for that coin damage haha

thats not genuine advise btw

😅

bravebird or sash Acro on Murkrow?

bravebird breaks its own sash so feels like a bad idea

[molten oasis]

Sash acro sucks

So brave bird or foul play

[real prairie]

foul play might be useful against bulk up Ape too

🤔

i was not aware Blastoise learnt Water Spout 👀

[foggy lodge]

I saw a tournament of little cups VGC where Squirtle dealt atleast 80% to almost everything with that thing

It's pretty funny

[torn parrot]

I tried swords dance tera dark black glasses swords dance kingambit

He was terrifying….

He was so strong…

[real prairie]

with the amount of Intim users i feel like there is a use case for Adrenaline orb but i rarely see it?

[tiny karma]

Item: Adrenaline Orb

Raises holder's Speed by 1 stage if it gets affected by Intimidate. Single use.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[molten oasis]

It’s strong for a reason lol

[torn parrot]

He only needs one swords dance to tera dark one shot 90% of things that don’t resist him 😩

[torn parrot]

It’s way too slow it’s not worth giving up another item when you have sucker punch to move first anyways

Plus to make worthwhile you’d need a decent amount of speed invest over bulk

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/3352a0aea8071b43 I don’t necessarily want to, but would incin be better over harc here?

[next stump]

100% yes IMO

fake out for the setup and just bulkier

but i think arc is fine in the slot

[molten oasis]

I do think fake out was helping dengo a lot

Incin amoonguss is also very strong rn

I was mostly worried about the offensive pressure but I think I’ll be okay

Although I’m unsure on chomp rn

[torn parrot]

I do think yes

[molten oasis]

do I want garchomp tho, like I feel like a dragon there is good but I’m not really feeling garchomp rn

I don’t bring it much

[rustic mountain]

[torn parrot]

Is he for the Typhlosion and or archaludon?

[molten oasis]

Kingambit

But now I have incin and incin amoonguss can probably handle gambit ok, so now idk what I need

[torn parrot]

Well have you felt something is missing in that slot

Or it could be that your not comfortable using him

[molten oasis]

Meh, team feels really focused on “protect the dengo”

Like let dengo set up and sweep

Dengo feels like it can beat everything next to amoonguss and incin/harc, personally lol

[torn parrot]

Well it’s probably not bad to have other options

[molten oasis]

Chomp is also max max it’s not bulky lol

[torn parrot]

Oh your garchomp doesn’t have a nature

[molten oasis]

It’s jolly

[torn parrot]

Ohh weird guess it just didn’t show up

[molten oasis]

Meant to be*

hm, like, my mu’s with the 5 feel fine

Talonfoame might get annoying now that I don’t have rocks

[bold geode]

Incin Basc

[molten oasis]

I said get annoying

Not it’s a bad mu

[bold geode]

Fezanskibidi

[molten oasis]

Worthless

It’s so unfunny

anyway ig garchomp will stay for now, im still not feeling it tho

[torn parrot]

Kk

[gentle crag]

Result: 195.000000

[bold geode]

Nuh Uh

Fezanskibidi

[molten oasis]

I’m genuinely going to block you

[mighty stump]

Passed my probation 😎

[molten oasis]

Awesome

[bold geode]

What

Tofu why were you on probation

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/7022da1c4be9f261 you’re here so, do you think I could replace anything with garchomp?

[stoic yoke]

Join group doing raids 2519

[molten oasis]

Dawg wrong chat

[bold geode]

🤷‍♂️

[bold geode]

#1040555642668199936

Or #tera_raids

[stoic yoke]

Mb thanks

[bold geode]

One of the two
Np

[dull ibex]

Why were you on probation

[bold geode]

Anyways Tofu why were you on probation?

[dull ibex]

I tried telling him it's a lame joke more then the first time

[bold geode]

But fezanskibidi and

And.....
Man none of the others work with brainrot

Ohiodogi

Nah that don't work

[dull ibex]

Okidogei

[bold geode]

There we go Red

[dull ibex]

Be funnier

[bold geode]

Hey don't blame me for Fezanskibidi, blame the TCG player base

[dull ibex]

Chi-Mew

Mogurott

[bold geode]

Mewkidori

[dull ibex]

MOGnkidori

[bold geode]

Mogkidori

[dull ibex]

Effortless humor

Pikamew

[bold geode]

Instead of Snorlax it's Goonlax

[pallid hare]

||Mohgkidori||

[bold geode]

Snormax

[dull ibex]

Snorhax

[bold geode]

Snorsmax

Then there's just Mew and Mewtwo

@molten oasis I wish Chi Mew was legal

[molten oasis]

I wasn’t kidding

[bold geode]

This guy

[molten oasis]

I’m going to block you if you don’t shut the fuck up

It’s not funny

[dull ibex]

Monke stop forcing your jokes on people

[spiral ridge]

Yo

[bold geode]

Fine, do it
I think that's too far but

[dull ibex]

It's not when you are purposefully being annoying

[spiral ridge]

Ah something’s happening

Nvm

[dull ibex]

Anyways

I put farigiraf back on clef balance

[bold geode]

Man this bullshit, I'm out

[molten oasis]

Bruh

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/out-disappear-bye-vanished-gif-4932063

[molten oasis]

You’re mad I don’t think the brainrot jokes are funny

[spiral ridge]

wtf that’s a diff one than I know

[molten oasis]

When they never were in the first place

[spiral ridge]

Monkey if they don’t like the jokes just don’t do them with him and the issue resolves itself

[dull ibex]

I do think you need to relax a tiny bit tbh

[bold geode]

You're buggin straight out the fuckin gate, but I ain't gonna argue about something as stupid as a fucking bird in a toilet, so I'm out

[spiral ridge]

I’m not blaming you, idk wtf is going on

But it’s just the easy solution

Than escalating

[molten oasis]

Ok, just don’t make those jokes around me thx

[bold geode]

Oh when I'm around you how much?

[dull ibex]

Drago are you still using meh Pokémon on purpose?

I've thought about giving hamurott another go

[solid frigate]

you know what

[molten oasis]

Uhhhhh

For what purpose

[dull ibex]

I'm aware it sucks

[dull ibex]

I wanna

[bold geode]

Hamurott has a chance now if anything

[molten oasis]

It’s not like I’m around 24/7

[bold geode]

Once again, I'm not arguing about this so drop it

[dull ibex]

Guys can we move before this gets worse.

[spiral ridge]

Gallade is just better sharpness Mon no?

[bold geode]

We on Hamurott now

[dull ibex]

Of course

[molten oasis]

Fair enough

[spiral ridge]

You just want to gotcha

[dull ibex]

Samurott sucks lmao

But It's my favorite Pokémon

[molten oasis]

Maybe on a rain team it could work okay

[spiral ridge]

Ahh I understand

[solid frigate]

Samurott Hisui is better ig-

If Hdeci becomes Popular then why not that

[molten oasis]

Hamurott is good into dengo at least

[spiral ridge]

Honestly

[dull ibex]

That is true

[spiral ridge]

Maybe pair with flamigo?

[molten oasis]

Clear amu could be good into incin too

[dull ibex]

Why flamigo? What is boosting

[spiral ridge]

Its worries are grass fighting

[molten oasis]

It might be okay as anti meta, I don’t see it tho

[solid frigate]

Clear Amulet Swords Dance Set?

[spiral ridge]

And it’s slow while flamigo makes up for speed

[bold geode]

Uses Scrappy

[spiral ridge]

It just kinda mirrors samu

[dull ibex]

Hmmm fair

[molten oasis]

Uhm, let’s see

It probably needs tw support

[spiral ridge]

Ones slow ones fast and ones typing covers the other effectively

[bold geode]

Was gonna say Scrappidy but for some reason that reminds me of Scrappy Doo idk why

[spiral ridge]

Only types that wouldn’t be covered is fairy electric type moves on both of them

[bold geode]

Good ol Scrappy Doo the lil fucker

[spiral ridge]

Love scrappy doo :)

OH MONKE
Ik you said not tonight but
Code?

Cus I’m on my switch rn anyways

[molten oasis]

Hm

[bold geode]

Oh i don't got it up rn sadly

[molten oasis]

@dull ibex I’ll look at it more

[spiral ridge]

Ah all good

[molten oasis]

I briefly though about using it

Awhile back

[spiral ridge]

I do think flamigo could go well with it as just full offensive imo

[molten oasis]

Not the mixed attacker syndrome

[spiral ridge]

What else can you do with samu 😭

It’s there to attack what it’s gonna actually hurt. Something needs to cover the things it’ll just kinda do eh vs

[solid frigate]

Samurott-Hisui @ Clear Amulet
Ability: Sharpness
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 164 HP / 156 Atk / 4 Def / 4 SpD / 180 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Razor Shell
• Ceaseless Edge
• Swords Dance
• Protect

I guess thats able to Outspeed most Dengos that aren't Choiced

[spiral ridge]

Nice

[solid frigate]

cuz Max Dengo Speed is 149

This is 140 which should be faster than Most Nasty Plot Sets

[molten oasis]

Dawg max max hamu is probably the only way

[solid frigate]

lemme try it first kek

[molten oasis]

Samurott-Hisui @ Choice Band
Ability: Sharpness
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Aqua Cutter
• Night Slash
• Sacred Sword
• Flip Turn smth like this imo

Ceaseless edge sucks

[solid frigate]

i fucking realised that Base Power is lower than i expected-

[tiny karma]

- [Water/Dark]

Immune

Psychic

Resists (0.5x)

Dark, Fire, Ghost, Ice, Steel, Water

Neutral damage

Dragon, Flying, Ground, Normal, Poison, Rock, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Bug, Electric, Fairy, Fighting, Grass

Sableye version 4.28.1

[molten oasis]

Thinking of things to pair it with, amoonguss helps keep it alive

Or rilla

[foggy lodge]

Talonflame is fine ig

[solid frigate]

it does not have a Common weakness for both types so thats a Good Start

I think Rilla just for the Synergy

[foggy lodge]

offensive pressure

[solid frigate]

I haven't use Talonflame for awhile lol

[molten oasis]

Talon helps

It needs tw

https://pokepast.es/90acece049b6f5c1 hm, could go sneasler pult route

[mighty stump]

Nplot goes Timid

kek

[solid frigate]

does it go past 140 usually?

[mighty stump]

100%

[foggy lodge]

Are nasty plot Dengos going w tailwind too?

[solid frigate]

Well Shit

[mighty stump]

Yes

[foggy lodge]

Or is it usually the specs variant

[mighty stump]

Lol

[foggy lodge]

Damn

[mighty stump]

Why risk the mirror

Make it a 50/50 at worst

[solid frigate]

Talonflame or Whimsicott would be nice for the TW Setter idk

I'll go with Talon ig

[foggy lodge]

is tera fairy Dengo too bad?

[molten oasis]

it does?

So I’ve been on modest for no reason

[foggy lodge]

X2 xd

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/3f42c979294f3965 @dull ibex maybe something like this

[dull ibex]

Heh fwg

[molten oasis]

hydrei is a dozo answer, I didn’t think Prima fit well here

[mighty stump]

i dont like losing to MIR

its one of the reasons I like Tera Water

[molten oasis]

Could go murkrow over talon and put garchomp or smth over hydrei

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/030b426c98447b9f

Idk about me

[rustic mountain]

ppl: incins mid now
5 in the top 8 of baltimore

[mighty stump]

real

[solid frigate]

incin is not washed fr

[rustic mountain]

nvm 6/8

[solid frigate]

thats even better

[rustic mountain]

ik jus correcting myself

[rustic mountain]

idk why ppl thought it ever was

the mons too good

[mighty stump]

Lower usage

Im surprised Rillaboom wasn’t higher though

In placement

[rustic mountain]

rilla has to beat the fraud allegations

but yea i was surprised too

[solid frigate]

i think people overlooked on the Kingambit and Ape Resurgence

And think oh its a good Incin Counter

yet here we are,6/8 in Top cut for Incin

[rustic mountain]

jus an overreaction tho like hey its not as splashable and 40-50% useage it has to be bad now and its like

[mighty stump]

Gaha

Psyspam/MausApe failing to convert is p unsurprising

[solid frigate]

i think there's only one Mausape Dozogiri in top 8 right

[molten oasis]

I don’t get why I go max speed dengo besides the mirror, I feel like I lose out on bulk

Or spA

[rustic mountain]

jus one of those things esepcially for gambit, incin specifically doesnt really care if it gives it a boost cuz it can jus threaten w/ wisp or blitz if no rain and pre tera and yea ape is annoying but its fallen off mainly on the maus style teams so u dont care as much generally and theres ways to jus not have incin in the mu or bring it in at the right times where u either already koed it, its not on the field currently or u can outspeed and ko it in the subsequent turn

thing w/ stuff like incin is its a good mon but also high skill cap. sure any1 can run it but how r u actually positioning and playing it?

[molten oasis]

Gholdengo @ Life Orb
Ability: Good as Gold
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 212 HP / 44 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Make It Rain
• Shadow Ball
• Nasty Plot
• Protect like on paper this would be the spread and this spread seems shit

Compared to what I usually run rn

[dull ibex]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2203305011-pl4ivdg4e5ni5p9rbzrccpzp1q3swkdpw Can i get your guy's opinions on my playing here?

[solid frigate]

Incin is just built different, and i think thats what players should understand that is,Just because that mon like Incin is in Steeper competition,it does not mean its washed,its more like skill issue

[rustic mountain]

i wouldnt say steeper competition cuz the power lvl is lower but yea jus ppl being quick to write off a really good mon

also 4 bears in top 8. reg ursa reclaiming the spot for top bear

dengo and p2 had a lot of representation as well in top cut, tho dengo isnt much of a surprise

both 5/8

[solid frigate]

p2 is solid so i can see why

But its Download ability more than Trace

[rustic mountain]

well yea they are like all the same archetype haha its obviously a very strong team

other then zees theres was a bit different tho 3 of the 6 are the same

no ursa and what not so it def plays different

[karmic temple]

P2 is cute we love them

[forest arrow]

Yeah I like those teams a lot

[foggy lodge]

I liked Dawei's team

Very interesting pick of support Volca

[solid frigate]

i mean it kinda exists for a bit just not on this format cuz this format volca usually just go for offense

[forest arrow]

Yeah screens and set up ape

Pretty cool take on it

[rustic mountain]

yea imma prolly pick one of those up after the gc

i like the flamigo variant

[forest arrow]

I was thinking of running it for GC

[rustic mountain]

since its this weekend i dont wanna play a team im prolly not gna get any games in with b4hand

but its a strong team so i get it

[forest arrow]

Nah that’s fair

I’ve used Ursa quite a bit so I think I should be fine, should prob pick the variant and practice with it tho a bit before Thursday

just don’t know if I wanna do flamigo or tar

[rustic mountain]

yea feel that

i think they each offer different pros and cons but idk flamigo is not only style points i jus like the mon too haha and it does offer some very good value into stuff like incin/rilla/gambit etc

[forest arrow]

Yeah flying/fighting and wide guard is pretty nice

[rustic mountain]

i have a marked shiny one i can put to good use

[forest arrow]

Let’s goo haha I’ll play a little with both tonight and make my decision and stick with one tomorrow/following days

[rustic mountain]

feel that

id imagine flamigo is better for the mirror too since fighting threatens so much outside dengo and ursa if its tera ghost

[dull ibex]

ig not 🤣

[forest arrow]

Just gotta drop my boy for it lol

[dull ibex]

flamigo seems cool

[rustic mountain]

sorry dude, im a bit too tired to watch and give feedback

[dull ibex]

no its all good it was genuinely funny

ill ask again later

[rustic mountain]

whose ur boy? ttar?

[forest arrow]

Yessir

It’s my fav pseudo barring all the Dragons

[rustic mountain]

oh ur pfp

[solid frigate]

lol

[forest arrow]

🫣😂

[rustic mountain]

been a long day

[forest arrow]

Nah you’re good I felt that, I’m finally relaxing after todays double

[rustic mountain]

every psuedo is a dragon tho other then ttar/metagross

[solid frigate]

[forest arrow]

yeah you right 😂

[rustic mountain]

[forest arrow]

Idk the non dragons are my fav, like let the other types get some love lol

[rustic mountain]

throwdats psuedo rankings:
all the dragons
2nd to last: ttar
last:metagross

[molten oasis]

Is not max speed dengo bad?

[chrome knot]

tree i lost my tryout match to a g3 flinch should i end it all

[rustic mountain]

fuck sorry that happened. and no def not

[chrome knot]

i played out of my mind tho

just unfortunate

[molten oasis]

ok then my nasty plot spread is fine, cuz for a moment I thought it was bad

When it’s felt, relatively fine

wait, misinterpreted, again,

[chrome knot]

dengo ready to cook 2/3 games game 1 is crit ohko’d, game 3 is flinched and it puts me into nonrecoverable state

[rustic mountain]

im sure they saw ur skill and ability to get to that point and obviously the rng that played into u ultimately losing. sometimes its just out of our hands. id say (which u prolly already did) is just look back and see wat u couldve maybe done different to not have the flinch be a factor in winning or losing

[chrome knot]

it was his only wincon

want g3 replay i genuinely don’t see another line out of it lol

[rustic mountain]

uhh sure

[chrome knot]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2203114891-i48o0jtivbd8qupnbd86xrs9e8p4mx4pw

[rustic mountain]

whats the ttar item?

av right?

nvm plz dont mind me

[chrome knot]

no it ddances and protects cx

its clam

[rustic mountain]

as soon as i asked i realized the ddance which is why i asked wat item originally lmao its been a long day my heads kinda all over

um yea idk that is kinda tough ngl, id say w/o saying the rest of the set idk exactly what led to the g3 gamestate but off rip incin isnt gna help much other then maybe stalling the ttar a turn w/ fo but p2 (assuming that was the 4th?) and flamigo seem pretty nice to have in that mu

[chrome knot]

0.0?

i brought flamigo ghold amoonguss ursa

my out is brave bird kills amoonguss

bc he has to respect wide guard and ghold ohko potential

[rustic mountain]

i jus assumed p2 cuz i didnt see ur 4th that game thats all. and i was mentioning incin as a potential bring but was saying w/ clam on ttar it kinda feels so-so to bring into other then having the fo pressure to stall out its set up w/ ddance and i guess potential intimidate for their incin/ursa
but in general i was saying its tough for me to even gauge that w/o fully knowing how the rest of the set played out and what they leaned into more along the way

[molten oasis]

???

[chrome knot]

i can send entire set it plays the same games 1&3 where game 1 im crit, game 2 i steam roll game 3 im flinch

[rustic mountain]

were the same 4 basically brought on both sides each game?

[chrome knot]

game 2 he tried calling switch up

which i punished insanely hard

game 1&3 were same 4 but im unluckier

[rustic mountain]

id say then g1 and g3 showed u didnt have enough support for dengo to thrive w/o rng being a factor. like off rip i think them having incin and shroom was just better for their set up. not quite sure wat ursa is helping in the mu if ur focus is dengo steamroll

[chrome knot]

dengo/flamigo is how u overwhelm the mirror

it checks all 6 :/

[rustic mountain]

im not questioning the migo bring tho

[chrome knot]

i cannot predict rolls that are anomaly to games

[torn parrot]

Probably for speed ties

[chrome knot]

so atp ive played to the best i could have

[torn parrot]

Well not speed ties

but like most dengos arnt timid max speed so then you ussually go first

[rustic mountain]

its less about predicting that and just giving ur set up guy better support to do its thing which winds up lending way to giving u better board states/situations that rely less on rng. they had sleep pressure/fake out pressure and then set up that eventually allowed them to outspeed u and put u in positions to get flinched and what not. im not sure why matching that wouldnt be something that is just more productive to the gameplan u opted into is all

[chrome knot]

sleep pressure on who…?

[molten oasis]

Is there any other reason

Cuz I don’t really care otherwise I’d rather have more bulk

[chrome knot]

without flinch gholdengo amoonguss clean up the game it was the end game i was planning to hit

a break on consistent action is how i lost thats all i fear there is to it

[rustic mountain]

what u led w/ t1 that was eventually put to sleep, ur flamigo

[chrome knot]

i wondur what caused this

being put into a position that otherwise isn’t possible without flinch

[rustic mountain]

so u dont think any different lead or gameplan adjustment couldve changed that outcome?

like huh

[chrome knot]

the positioning and board state was exactly where it needed to be for a win with his win conn narrowed down to hitting inaccurate move and flinching

i feel that is all there is to it

[dull ibex]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2203327862-dkys3j6sqrcfzpu4e9zev51hbol5f8fpw

[chrome knot]

flamigo ghold applied enough lead pressure to put me where i wanted to be im jus gonna be honest

[rustic mountain]

it didnt tho b.c it put u in a position where a 30% flinch chance loses u the game

[chrome knot]

90% accuracy on top of flinching the right target seems pretty improbable to me

[molten oasis]

Are you always slower than incin with your p2?

I also think amoonguss could have been a better bring over dengo but that’s just me

[dull ibex]

moongus was useless to this game for me personally

[molten oasis]

Y

[dull ibex]

I did not need it

[molten oasis]

Why didn’t you need it

I think the redirection would have been nice mostly

[dull ibex]

ursa covered a big majority of their team and trick room wasn't needed as they were also trick room

also amoongus ruins me sporing

I was not planning to be under tr so i brought ghold for clean up

[molten oasis]

That’s fair

[dull ibex]

btw i know its called p2 balance

but like I came up with Digilance

kinda baller as a name imo

[molten oasis]

It is a baller name

[dull ibex]

you could be right drago btw

maybe moongus was better there but i was pretty confident I could win without it

[molten oasis]

I think your reasoning is fair enough it would have helped with the sneasler mostly

It was stellar so I think it safe to assume it had throat chop for dengo, but Prima did enough idt amoonguss would have helped endgame

That much

[rustic mountain]

yea im not sure wat else to say, i personally think a player can always look to improve win or loss so even if its improbable or w/e like theres still something different that couldve been done that didnt leave the game in that position. u wanna have each turn be as efficient as possible to give urself as many outs as possible. u even giving ur opponent that opportunity of an out from the jump was the mistake

[chrome knot]

problem is like

[molten oasis]

The brings were fine mostly wanted to know why no shroom lol

[chrome knot]

what else is there, if i bring in for example incin

we protect on fo turn as the ttar and then jus knock off

we lose even faster

[dull ibex]

if im being totally I forgot my gameplan mostly

[molten oasis]

Lmao

[chrome knot]

i dont think a mirror of this specific team has a 100-0 line theres always room for comeback

[dull ibex]

but I imagine im correct the types were right that I didnt need shroom

[molten oasis]

It happens

[dull ibex]

and prim was great endgame

[molten oasis]

Fs

[dull ibex]

that I know

my in game evs are wack btw lmao

EVs: 244/0/164/0/100/0

for p2

taken from hackcheck which is why they are formated like that

[torn parrot]

Outspeeding timid peliper sounds kinda nice

[molten oasis]

ig, I also have a freeze dry a9

So idk if I’m that worried about peli

[rustic mountain]

assmung incin/dengo lead u
at the very least u get plot up before they get ddance up.
if they protect bring in incin themselves they get hit w/ mir or shadow ball t2 cause u arent forced to tera immediately t1
if they wind up teraing t1 for w/e reason and trying to ddance it doesnt really matter cuz they get flinched.

also if u predict a protect and a switch to their own incin on the fake out t1 (if they displayed a consistent approach to making these kind of plays) u can also jus np and swap to migo to then pressure w/ wide guard the subsequent turns. they need to get 1 ddance up really to start doing meaningful damage and outspeed ur dengo and their own incin fo isnt gna help much if they did wind up protecting t1.

i get its nuanced i didnt play the bo3 im not exactly sure how it wouldve necessarily play out that route im jus throwing something out there. but generally i do always feel even if it it isnt wat im saying, there is always things that couldve been done better to improve ur chances. if u disagree thats fine

[molten oasis]

https://x.com/sinnoh_CEO/status/1835783735804866913

CEO of Sinnoh 🌟 (@sinnoh_CEO) on X

Twitter · Sep 16, 2024, 8:52 PM

i''m dying

[torn parrot]

Is it generally a good idea to put one single point into kingambit speed

It underspeeds 0 speed quiet armarouge

And doesn’t speed tie with normal ursaluna that doesn’t have 0 speed ivs

[dull ibex]

real

[mighty stump]

It depends, it would be relevant for mirrors if you’re running Low Kick variants

I’ve seen more faster Armarouge’s as well but I can’t speak much about that

My personal opinion is faster Arma

[torn parrot]

I’m playin the mono dark move sword dance one

It really fun ngl

[mighty stump]

Still not a bad shout

Although might be less relevant

[dull ibex]

weegeecee

[solid frigate]

weegeecee

[dull ibex]

I think I like the idea of fast incin

faster fake out for trick room sounds great

[mighty stump]

Do u tho

Fast Incin should run Taunt me personally

[dull ibex]

🤔

knock off taunt could work

[pastel blade]

Anyone know what 36 speed evs on incin is for?

[mighty stump]

To speed creep the 28 Spe Incins

[dull ibex]

I was also thinking snarl knock off

[mighty stump]

At that point you might as well run Ttar

Complete it w Rock Slide and Low Kick tada

Why do you need Snarl Incin

[dull ibex]

idk it seems fun

https://pokepast.es/4e051331a0b8ef10

[mighty stump]

Quiet P2

[dull ibex]

Gotcha

I'm not sold on bird

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/7022da1c4be9f261 @mighty stump could I get your 2 cents on this? I’m not sure if I’m feeling garchomp but the rest feel ok