competitive_discussion

[molten oasis]

usually, it’s that or sneasler

[timber falcon]

Using one tap as a wincon for that MU can go south though, especially in ots

[molten oasis]

At this rate I just don’t wanna put in the work cuz it feels like the only thing that a9 seems to work with is volcarona

[timber falcon]

The core of the team is dengo thouh right?

[molten oasis]

Yea and the team gets better if I have sneasler over a9

[timber falcon]

What’s gonna activate unburden though

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/9d890ce8f8c72bd9 this is my main team

Nothing it’s poison touch, you don’t need unburden

[timber falcon]

Oh ok

So has that team been fine

[molten oasis]

Yes

I want a9 to work, but the stuff it’s usually paired with is also stuff I don’t really like

I hate volcs coverage

Kingambit feels better with clefable

[timber falcon]

Wait idk what’s meta rn

[molten oasis]

I’m just constantly hitting a wall like this sucks

[timber falcon]

Has anything important happened in the meta

[molten oasis]

Dengo a9 amoonguss is like, fine, the other 3 just don’t help

[molten oasis]

Go watch a video

https://youtu.be/K-f8czOTwPY?si=Wun0qp_Tw0h2KsxT

[timber falcon]

Ty

[molten oasis]

Idk what to do, this sucks

Nothing feels like it patches enough holes

[bold geode]

https://devoncorp.press/long-form-content/the-early-dondozo-gets-the-tatsugiri
Written article too for that

[solid frigate]

honestly i would not suprised that there is some Dozogiri Teams

[timber falcon]

gosh i hate h-typhlosion + whimsicott

av ape is interesting though

[torn parrot]

wait mb i missed it can u send one mor elol

[molten oasis]

I’m not playing rn

I’m ticked off, team feels shit

[solid frigate]

deal with it

kek

[timber falcon]

like what do i even do? even if it dont OHKO its chunking badly

[solid frigate]

just have something to deal with that Sweeper

i'm perfectly fine against it

[molten oasis]

Incin or harc

Both are good into whimsi ty

Ttar good too

[solid frigate]

and also

Wide Guard exists

[bold geode]

Yeah keep in mind even if they shut off Rain, if you have Wide Guard Pelipper you can still block Eruption

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/401b754eaca71800 what do I do with these 3

[bold geode]

For Typhlosion and Whims to beat Rain better, they have to get rid of Peli for sure

[bold geode]

Honestly I'd just wait until after Baltimore

[molten oasis]

[torn parrot]

awe what feels off?

[molten oasis]

Hydrei feels kinda awful, idk how I feel about harc here, basc feels eh here as well

[bold geode]

Without a regional under this meta's belt, it's still a bit hard to go off of
Sure VR tour had some stuff but like
Regionals can give ideas

[molten oasis]

Dude

Beyond the meta it’s gonna be hard to make the team anyway

[timber falcon]

why did i actually forget about this

[molten oasis]

If the only a9 things are volcarona balance it’s not worth my time

[bold geode]

Also I feel that unless it's like P2 Ursa that Amoonguss is just weird

[molten oasis]

If it’s not the meta it’s gonna be significantly more difficult to get things to work

Dude amoonguss is top tier rn

[solid frigate]

because People like you think that there aren't that much pokemon run spread Moves now due to its more lower Power Level Format

When Dengo and Torkal Exists

[torn parrot]

whats the goal
your trying to get bulky and get some nasty plots up?

[molten oasis]

Maya I’m just starting at these 3 rn

[molten oasis]

Sure

[bold geode]

Goggles is rampant rn especially with MausApe which eats this

[molten oasis]

Ok kill the maushold

[bold geode]

Ok Beat Up Rage Fist

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/99a50fe6e0702d90 any thoughts on this start? is the figting weakness too bad? i might swap to regular arcanine if thats the case

[torn parrot]

what about baxcalibur

[timber falcon]

i wanna make balance

[molten oasis]

If you beat up spore and I have like dengo amoonguss ape either gets spored or chunked

[timber falcon]

what if follow me bulk up

[molten oasis]

I don’t really see what Bax even does into the meta

[molten oasis]

I have to call what the play they make is

If I add Bax I feel like the team gets too weak to fire (typhlosion) and Dengo

[torn parrot]

the main core is like really annoyed by fire types like typhlosion right

he works with nientales and discourages them

could even run him with like vest or something

[molten oasis]

And would wanna make it the focus at that rate and I just generally don’t think Bax is that good

[molten oasis]

You still click eruption anyway

Plus whimsi immediately threatens it

[timber falcon]

doesnt bax have thats thermal ability

[molten oasis]

Doesn’t absorb

Just boosts attack

[torn parrot]

yes indeed they will
but theres the synergy which is nice

and if your super thretaened you still have tera

[tiny karma]

Ability: Thermal Exchange

This Pokemon's Attack is raised 1 stage after it is damaged by a Fire-type move. This Pokemon cannot be burned. Gaining this Ability while burned cures it.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[craggy dagger]

it just converts it into an attack boost.
it doesn’t absorb it

[molten oasis]

Trying to synergize with snow rn I think is synergy trapping

[timber falcon]

it is

grimsnarl is more versatile

[torn parrot]

is is but you arnt clicking something like blizzard

its flexible

[molten oasis]

A9 feels fine on its own, it’s the fact I cannot find 3 other members that feel consistent enough for the team

[bold geode]

Hai bestie

[craggy dagger]

hi

[solid frigate]

Hoi Nova

[timber falcon]

what OHKOs archaludon

or makes it useless on the field

[craggy dagger]

depends?

[molten oasis]

Before anything else I wanna try garchomp

[bold geode]

Has sign ups for the GC started?

[solid frigate]

In my matches

Sneasler.

[torn parrot]

garchomo could be relaly good

[molten oasis]

I’ve seen chomp on a good amount of a9 teams might as well try it

[timber falcon]

smth like sacred sword gallade, but not gallade

[torn parrot]

it makes sense

[craggy dagger]

on paper, golurk can wall archaludon-
though peli as archa’s partner isn’t helping

[solid frigate]

throw give me Banded Chomp before so it could work

[timber falcon]

the synergy is annoying

[solid frigate]

Sneasler is Pain for my Team so i have to use Gengar for that MU

[craggy dagger]

[bold geode]

Me looking at the struggles of Reg H now while chillaxin cuz shit feels right for the first time

[timber falcon]

ooo sneasler

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/2421d32007ef9244 fantasy core achieved, now I need just, first and most importantly something to handle Hisui Ty and mausape, and dozo

[timber falcon]

wait thats actually perfect, sneasler

[molten oasis]

I have a team I like I also want to get a9 going

[solid frigate]

not anymore hopefully cuz now i have Gengar

[molten oasis]

Sneasler strong rn

[timber falcon]

beware throat chop isnt rare

[solid frigate]

wait how fast is raw Sneasler

[molten oasis]

189

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 903: Sneasler

Types

Fighting/Poison

Abilities

Pressure, Unburden, Poison Touch (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

80/130/60/40/80/120

Total

510

Sableye version 4.28.1

[timber falcon]

faster than gengar im pretty sure

[solid frigate]

yeah its faster by 3 points

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 94: Gengar

Types

Ghost/Poison

Abilities

Cursed Body

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

60/65/60/130/75/110

Total

500

Other Formes

Gengar-Mega

Sableye version 4.28.1

[bold geode]

I feel like it's not the right moment for it tbh
It's a niche pick, part of making it work is knowing when it's the right time to use it
Big example is Tyo in Utrecht

[torn parrot]

the fact that gorchopo can outspeed makes it kind annoying for whimsi since she has to either sunny day or tailwind

[solid frigate]

nvm 10 points

[molten oasis]

I’m not gonna fucking know

I am not of that skill

[bold geode]

That comes with observation

[craggy dagger]

it’s fast

[solid frigate]

its not like i don't have Protect

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/23c47f1481c02191 how is the start?

[molten oasis]

I’m not sitting and waiting for the perfect moment for a9 when the only times it’s okay is when weather doesn’t exist and guess what the #1 archetype is

I’m not waiting

[torn parrot]

i think i agree that if your using ninetales specifically there should be a reason yoru using it over grimm

but weather control is really nice

[molten oasis]

sigh enough has been said back to playing once in a blue moon

[bold geode]

It's a niche
Basically what happens with every niche
Either you're using it for a specific reason on your team, like me using Hitmontop, or for a reason it being good into the meta, like Hecidueye

[molten oasis]

Cuz clearly I should just use Grimmsnarl, fast encore/single turn screens isn’t valuable apparently

[bold geode]

Forcing stuff can genuinely be frustrating AF

[molten oasis]

It’s all I can do monke

[bold geode]

Not when Whims is dominant and can shut down the main value

[timber falcon]

for sneasler do you guys think i should go rilla or deedee route? i feel like rilla opens more optons but deedee has set teams i can go off.

[torn parrot]

my opinion is its simply the fact that your probably only gonna able to use veil 50% of the time

[molten oasis]

Cuz I can’t make a good team with it the second weather dies down

[bold geode]

Doing Unburden?

[molten oasis]

Rilla

Rilla pult sneasler

[bold geode]

Poison Touch kinda better but you can even just do like others with Sash Unburden although I don't like that

[molten oasis]

Okay, I’m aware of that

Like just, idk anymore dude

No one knows what to do and the response is GIVE UP

[torn parrot]

I don’t want you to give up

[molten oasis]

Wait for the one day a9 is magically good

When Archa peli and whimsi ty are off the radar which isn’t gonna happen

[rustic mountain]

wat did i walk into

[molten oasis]

I have to force it there’s nothing I can do

[solid frigate]

Tree i'll replace incin for Gengar just beacause my Sneasler MU Suckass

[torn parrot]

I don’t think it’s a bad pokemon either its just its defintely a pokemon that is hard to just stick on every team

[bold geode]

What's team

[craggy dagger]

they asked if there’s a way to make archa useless-
ghost immune to body press
ground immune to electro shot
never said whether to make it meta or not

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/a8dcde52a39e3e2e

[rustic mountain]

i dont really see how sneasler gives u problems

[rustic mountain]

haha yea i get it jus was funny coming in seeing golurk mentioned

[craggy dagger]

no guard dynamic punch

[molten oasis]

I’ve already figured out just fine that a9 and dengo work pretty well together they just don’t like fire so the next thing is to solve that issue, like I feel like I usually have a direction to go it’s rounding out the team that’s been extremely difficult

[bold geode]

Incin is probably fine, just gotta double Sneasler tbh (if it has Sash of course) as Sneasler is pretty good into Arch anyways so Basically is probably way to do so
But even with Gengar, you're basically still gonna have a chance to lose to Sneasler anyways cuz of the fact it can bullshit you with Dire Claw gambling

[craggy dagger]

under trick room

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 623: Golurk

Types

Ground/Ghost

Abilities

Iron Fist, Klutz, No Guard (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

89/124/80/55/80/55

Total

483

Sableye version 4.28.1

[craggy dagger]

[solid frigate]

fair

[timber falcon]

yep yep

[rustic mountain]

agreed i dont see gengar patching anything that incin fails to. intimidate +swift swim plus ur own sash mon that threatens it i dont see why itd give u too much issue

[bold geode]

I deadass saw some really shit team like in top 5k of Master Ball on cart but the one thing I was able to say about it
They had Safeguard and for the first time I can say that it was valid lmao

[timber falcon]

interesting, is there a balance team of this?

[bold geode]

Look at last Victory Road tour
Been seen with Clef balance and other balance variants

[solid frigate]

i bring too little firepower Sometimes

Like i sometimes either i bring both Rain Mons or Only one and lose Archaludon anyways

its i just want to cover up the other part but they bring something else

[bold geode]

Remember kids
Today's basic balance has Follow Me users lol

[rustic mountain]

seems like u thing tho not a team thing

[torn parrot]

Yah I think so it’s just like you said the rest of the team

[timber falcon]

im assuming this one? ima try it out it looks really nice

[bold geode]

Honestly hot take
Maushold 3rd best redirection

[solid frigate]

yeah and also Set up mons but honestly i just wanna play around with gengar

[rustic mountain]

wats the hot take that it isnt #1?

[timber falcon]

but where is the speed control here might edit it to my liking

[craggy dagger]

i should try a tr golurk team…

[bold geode]

That's the other balance variant yes

[bold geode]

Yeah
Buzz and Clef better

[rustic mountain]

idt its a hot take

[craggy dagger]

i have not played vgc in forever and here i am coming back to light the world on fire

[timber falcon]

valid take lol

[solid frigate]

Maushold wants like fuck ton of stuff for the 4 move slot-

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/excited-fuego-gif-26833875

[rustic mountain]

buzz is def the best redirector in the format

[craggy dagger]

maushold, indeedee would like to have a word with you

[rustic mountain]

yea indeedee is better then maus too

[timber falcon]

doesnt it depend

[bold geode]

Yeah it resists 2 of Arch's 3 STABs naturally

[timber falcon]

maus feels more versetaile

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/1443addce99556f3

[rustic mountain]

i think ppl jus realized support maus kinda meh and mausape is heavily targetted and unlike dozo and archrain it hasnt shown it can do well consistently

[craggy dagger]

2/3?

[rustic mountain]

both are better on their own

[bold geode]

The way Electro Shot works that shits basically stab

[rustic mountain]

basically

[molten oasis]

Not clefable?

[craggy dagger]

lmao ok

[rustic mountain]

i have buzz over clefable

[timber falcon]

buzz tanky, fast, less weakness, cooler looking

[solid frigate]

thats basically the only electric move lol

[molten oasis]

ic

[rustic mountain]

bulkier better neutral typing nd more movepool choices

[craggy dagger]

cosmic power clef

[rustic mountain]

u can tailor ur buzz for ur teams needs whereas clef kinda gna be using the same 4/5 moves generally

[bold geode]

Buzz uses same 4/5 too

[molten oasis]

Ic

[timber falcon]

singles player nightmare

[rustic mountain]

look at that guys movepool and tell me u cant argue a multitude of options in that 3rd/4th slot (follow me nd stab gna be guaranteed)

[solid frigate]

no please.

NO.

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/9a441157c3380c6a how does this look

[rustic mountain]

seems fine, question is how many games have u played since last night

[molten oasis]

I just have to throw shit at the wall at this point

[molten oasis]

20, hydreigon felt kinda bad

[bold geode]

Usually see Follow Me, Taunt, V Switch and EWeb with Feint making an appearance rarely

[rustic mountain]

ahh ok, any specific mu u felt still was difficult?

[molten oasis]

tailwind

Just, in general, prio tw

So whimsi

[timber falcon]

me and you both man

[molten oasis]

Whimsi ape demolished me

(The ape was goggles and Tera fire)

[rustic mountain]

i mean u got follow me

[timber falcon]

whimsicott is so annoying to go against, i might just use tr]

[molten oasis]

I had rage powder, oh I don’t have speed control or redirection

[bold geode]

Also I'm laughing cuz Lorcy said you're throwing if you don't use Kingambit Goldie or Arch and I'm sitting here using none of em and don't feel like throwing lol

[molten oasis]

:/

[rustic mountain]

oh shit right

[molten oasis]

Uhhhhhh

https://pokepast.es/27a38bba88e30c4e idk what we just go with these 4

To start, I still think harcs been fine

I wanna try chomp since that’s what a lot of people have been using with a9

[rustic mountain]

id say to either give urself some kinda of speed control outside icy wind if u feel tw is jus running u over. like maybe consider giraffe or something if tw and prio is giving u issues

also would help from an ape jus going to town after getting beat up

[craggy dagger]

sand veil > rough skin?

[molten oasis]

Whimsi Bloodmoon/ape is tough

[molten oasis]

Ty for reminding me

[gentle crag]

drayagedrago has given 1 Gen Rep to interstellar_latte

[molten oasis]

uhhhhhh, man

[torn parrot]

Hey wait a minute

[chrome knot]

novaaaaa ^-^

[torn parrot]

If you add a tailwind setter from here you have tailwind make it rain and tailwind earthquake

[molten oasis]

Maybe electabuzz or clefable?

…so talonflame

okay

No I already have a fire type,

[knotty mirage]

If i want to use taildwind ursa do i need to makes it max speed ?

[craggy dagger]

talon works
else you can try the krow

[chrome knot]

does this to you

[molten oasis]

Ttar boutta have a field day with my team if I go with talon

[craggy dagger]

go krow then

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/aa162ce80f3464fe

[bold geode]

Though I will admit, even though it usually sees 4-5 moves, it does have other shit lol

[molten oasis]

Rocks lol

[torn parrot]

Hey would murkrow work?

Well not for like ttar

[craggy dagger]

you really wanna make prim work huh

[molten oasis]

Buzz has thunder wave

[molten oasis]

No I need a dozo answer

[bold geode]

Helping Hand Buzz isn't used ever but that's a move I was hating to leave out for a while

[torn parrot]

Murkrow haze?

[molten oasis]

ROCKS

[craggy dagger]

earthquake

[bold geode]

Just EWeb

[craggy dagger]

[molten oasis]

Ok what happens when rilla ttar

[bold geode]

What

[molten oasis]

No, twave is halving speed, which I think is more important due to not having a good way to deal with tw otherwise

[craggy dagger]

then canine snowpix lead

[molten oasis]

Instead of spamming eweb

Plus if they have cloak it doesn’t work

[craggy dagger]

or canine dengo lead

[molten oasis]

Ok

[craggy dagger]

pick your poison

[molten oasis]

I’ll just throw this at the wall maybe it’ll stick

[craggy dagger]

[solid frigate]

moment

[bold geode]

What Cloak Dengo?

[craggy dagger]

sure.
do as you please

[bold geode]

Nobody except Tofu using that shit

[molten oasis]

Just cloak stuff in general

[molten oasis]

What did I do?

[bold geode]

I feel like your line into TW shit rn is to find a way to survive and fire back honestly

Also honestly if you're using Prim
Just Metal Coat Dengo and Lorb Prim

[rustic mountain]

yea im not saying u necessarily will run the other moves but u def can it has a lot of viable options

[bold geode]

Honestly I feel like you're trying to play a team hard wired into revolving around setup Dengo and sweep and don't die with A Veil help as a balance style thinf

[rustic mountain]

[bold geode]

Actually the real problem is every time you build rn, you're trying to solve every MU in the builder instead of in the matches

You can play matches and find lines into MUs way faster than you can sitting in a builder for a shit ton of time and just theorizing things

[molten oasis]

I have throat spray

[torn parrot]

Hey what happens if you do this I’m curious

[craggy dagger]

the world explodes
that looks interesting :0

[molten oasis]

uhhhhhhhh, I mean that could work

I understand I need to figure out mu’s in battles I also wanna figure out as much as possible before going into games

[bold geode]

Like I feel that's another reason why you complain too not tryna throw shots or anything
You already beat yourself up meticulously before you even hit "search for battle"

[rustic mountain]

i think its partially that but also the ability to make adjustments on the fly and be able to identify the issues and attempt at solutions. knowing tw and prio are giving u problems, giraffe should be something u shouldve tried out to see if it helped enough. monke is right, the theorycrafting teambuilding is such a loop

[bold geode]

Something you can look at in builder and go "this looks like a shit MU" can actually not be as bad when you face it

[rustic mountain]

u can only think of possibilities so much it doesnt matter till u actually play the game

[molten oasis]

How does this handle mausape

eh, ig sneasler is a maushold delete button

[torn parrot]

You have prio and speed

[bold geode]

My process so far has been I'll think ok this can be good for this and this and I'll quickly get 6 mons together
Then I'll test multiple things into multiple MUs, then go from there

[molten oasis]

sure I’ll try that. Both the team and the, general advice

[torn parrot]

Good luck sir

[chrome knot]

@rustic mountain thoughts on fiero p2 rn? need a new home bc every

ones teched out psyspam

[craggy dagger]

you don’t get any battlefield experience if all you do is plan a whole bunch but it’s only your 2nd or 3rd time on the field

[bold geode]

Cuz like
Not only do you gotta understand the MU, but you gotta understand how the players go about bringing success with these things

[craggy dagger]

sure you can theoretically solve everything but you have to take account of the nature human unpredictability which you can only get knowledge on by playing more battles

[molten oasis]

just saying mostly, I don’t get a lot of time to play the game itself a lot

College and work and stuff

[bold geode]

Yeah and then you shorten what time you do have usually

[craggy dagger]

maybe if you were less on the team builder and more in games-

[rustic mountain]

i think its good, i think it needs some updating though now that its on peoples radars, 4 fighting weaks is weird haha i think marco and fede jus player diffed a lot of ppl

[molten oasis]

…fair

[rustic mountain]

p2 ursa incin shroom is just gna be really strong thru the entire format i think

[molten oasis]

I have like Saturday and some afternoons

[chrome knot]

from what i heard its only 0-100 mu is mausape

[craggy dagger]

play in class

[molten oasis]

Ok

[bold geode]

Basically what good does spending a fuck ton of time creating 100% lines in the teambuilder do if you don't test and figure out how to execute said lines

[chrome knot]

i jus dont know what to play rn

im a lose puppy lol

[molten oasis]

OKAY

[craggy dagger]

don’t actually play in class. uni is important

[molten oasis]

I heard it the first 5 times man I get it ik I need to battle more

[bold geode]

Wish you told me that

[craggy dagger]

me

[rustic mountain]

haha yea that for sure. i think a well played sneasler can also be annoying for it but other then that ur pretty fine. id have to play it to see what other issues or mu problems itd have

generally seems strong

[craggy dagger]

has reg H meta stabilized some more though

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/dd68e42d24a4dff9 so how’s this

[craggy dagger]

haven’t played comp in a while

[bold geode]

So you can't play out the board state?

[rustic mountain]

a bit yea it should def be after baltimore

[bold geode]

Still some strong things are big, but it's a bit better

[molten oasis]

This is just what Maya had, could go back to the other stuff

[craggy dagger]

baltimore is coming up soon right-

[chrome knot]

was not talking to you, sorry

[bold geode]

Well I was to you

Sorry

[molten oasis]

Yea

[chrome knot]

this weekend yes

[craggy dagger]

[molten oasis]

Im not gonna get insight on a9 from that most likely, so, not looking for a9 just what I need to look for meta wise

[bold geode]

Still boppin to Cupid

[molten oasis]

lol

[rustic mountain]

plz dont have dozo do well plz dont have dozo do well

[bold geode]

Nah

[molten oasis]

alright back to the ladder

[bold geode]

You think people teched for Psyspam? Nah Dozo had the fucking opps this whole time

[craggy dagger]

chuppa gon keep his dozo’s strongest player title

[torn parrot]

The testing123 one?

[chrome knot]

idk 1tricking aids made me realize i don’t actually have a playstyle to rebuild a team on

[dull ibex]

Do you play video games?

[craggy dagger]

has psyspam changed-

[bold geode]

Yes? Why

[dull ibex]

Gross

[craggy dagger]

or is it still brain off meteor beam psyspam mashing

[bold geode]

Shut up Red

[chrome knot]

its just terrible rn bc everyone has teched for the mu until its kinda unplayable

[dull ibex]

Nuh uh

[chrome knot]

everyone good*

[bold geode]

It can work, just people have lines for it definitely lol

[craggy dagger]

good

[bold geode]

I teched for Psyspam myself and still lose to it sometimes

[dull ibex]

Psyspam feels like an easy win this reg

[bold geode]

And the lines are pretty clear

[dull ibex]

Personally speaking

[chrome knot]

its good bc i can stop wasting my time and go learn something else

[bold geode]

Just sucks cuz Hard TR Psyspam has like
No fucking variety lmao
It's the same fucking concept that's been around since Reg A

[rustic mountain]

might be a good time to try something else out. i think u have enough fundamental understanding of the game and the current meta u can pick up another team and do well w/ it. prolly gna be weird switching to something else comfortability wise but jus give urself time to adjust

[dull ibex]

That's fair

I have enough games to know I should be better

[craggy dagger]

it gets stale really quickly-
i have no clue how you were able continuously play it

[dull ibex]

Your turn to be self aware

[molten oasis]

:/, prio tw once again

[chrome knot]

i know, neil offered to help me learn more soft tr balancey cores & shadow my games in vc & baby me through it but i just feel lost atm

[molten oasis]

Missed multiple ko’s, also didn’t think the basc would have protect

[chrome knot]

bc playing linear team with alot of skill expression was fun

but seeing slow of unusual mons & ttar makes suicidal

[bold geode]

P2 Ursa is genuinely a nice team

[dull ibex]

I miss linear teams 😔

[craggy dagger]

you click like
6 moves and that’s it

[chrome knot]

seeing tera psychic amoonguss make me puke

[craggy dagger]

what.

[chrome knot]

yeah amoonguss is psychic tera rn

[craggy dagger]

oh gallade

[solid frigate]

Tera Dark/Water is right there-

[chrome knot]

you resist eforce, psycho cut AND sacred sword

[bold geode]

Psychic does Gallade in some

[craggy dagger]

yah

[chrome knot]

thats 3 mons that go to sleep now

[craggy dagger]

i remember this talk

[chrome knot]

you run enough SpDef to live eruption on tera

suddenly amoonguss runs this mu by itself

[bold geode]

Idk I've seen Grass Gallade a bunch

[rustic mountain]

unfortunately happens for all of us, the self doubt in a competitive space is always gna creep in. jus play through it as best u can and before u know it ull be glad u did. it jus feels overwhelming right now. u take the steps of jus trying other teams out even if its not ultimately wat u stick with

[molten oasis]

this sucks, back to the team that worked

[chrome knot]

i have the spaces and group that’d help and would be really really useful im just so burnt out feeling rn from trying so hard to make working variations of new psyspam

[rustic mountain]

maybe take a break then

u have the resources that can help u wen ur ready

[chrome knot]

louisville :(

[rustic mountain]

did sign ups happen for louisville?

[torn parrot]

Awe

[balmy glen]

Ye

[molten oasis]

Sneasler just failed to pick up kills and incin ruins my life

[rustic mountain]

ah ok yea so cant back out no refunds anymore

[molten oasis]

Like I do not think the team can handle incin very well

[rustic mountain]

i mean even a day or two takin a break i still dont see the point in hurting ur mental trying to force something ur not enjoying atm

[chrome knot]

i wouldn’t anyways

[balmy glen]

Dw about your games I was just trolling you also so don’t take what I said that deep lol. Also it’s more the quality of your games than quantity tbh

[torn parrot]

Don’t you have 3 mons that are good into it

[molten oasis]

No

[dull ibex]

I'm getting rolled this reg

[chrome knot]

im enjoying the process of improvement, ive played daily bo5 sets im just stuck feeling because im in team limbo atm

[molten oasis]

I had Prima,

[dull ibex]

Admittedly my best so far is not that great but I'm normal like okay at the game

[thick geyser]

So im really confused on the purpose of salamance in this team idk if i should make him more tanky and supportive or just all in the attack
https://pokepast.es/ae1a0cb530dae712

[dull ibex]

Like 5k+ on cart

[balmy glen]

Just grab a random mon and put psychic seed on it ezpz

[rustic mountain]

fair enough, i wish u luck. im sure ull get there soon

[torn parrot]

Oh this is a different team?

[molten oasis]

Nvm it’s probably fine I’m just, I feel so out of it rn

[balmy glen]

Bo5? wtf

[chrome knot]

yeah

[dull ibex]

I'm finally trying a new variant of clef balance

[chrome knot]

neil & I go daily bo5 series

[torn parrot]

Neil vgc?

[chrome knot]

no neil from the department store

[thick geyser]

???

[torn parrot]

Wacky

[molten oasis]

no it’s what you had I just played poorly into it

[dull ibex]

A few players in here are or have access to the pros tbf

[molten oasis]

I already missclicked not taking Prima into dozo I just, I’m irritated

[bold geode]

I did hold a tour once that MDB played in

[dull ibex]

Access = talk to or are friends with

[rustic mountain]

i think its moreso the controversy that transpired vs being in contact w/ a pro player

[chrome knot]

hes just a close friend of mine thats all

[dull ibex]

I see

[chrome knot]

hi im a trans girl and i feel comfortable around neil

[bold geode]

I've talked to Jeudy on stream but that's like not much

[chrome knot]

Jeudy gave me a big hug in orlando

[torn parrot]

I think the controversy was overblown anyway

[dull ibex]

I spoke to thatsaplusone once

[bold geode]

What other players in the circuit have I talked to hmmmm

[rustic mountain]

he told me u suck chi yu rules

[dull ibex]

That was awesome

[bold geode]

Oh iirc I think I've spoken to Donghum Youm quite a bit

[dull ibex]

I asked what the discord I'm in thought of his content

[chrome knot]

a lil bit, tho im glad people got on his ass bc hes learnt alot abt it

[dull ibex]

He said that guy was washed

[bold geode]

I'm in a server with Donghum Youm um
I've talked to Nicholas Donnelly a few times
I spoke to Justin Tang once

[dull ibex]

Love when youtubers can mock themselves for fun

[rustic mountain]

idk bout overblown i think it was good to call out but people can also learn and improve if they truly are sorry and aware of their mistakes

[dull ibex]

I think yotam is the highest level player I've spoken to for full conversations

He helped my early teams ALOT

[bold geode]

Well the controversy was a bit overblown
I was the one who started one joke about him and I regret it to this day

Sure it was good to call it out, but some people really did bash the mfer

[molten oasis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2200222540 :/

That is a team of all time

[balmy glen]

They might be my teammates for a fun tour coming up 👀

[bold geode]

Pog

[torn parrot]

If you see a Kommo you have primarina haze right

(:

[bold geode]

I swear there's another person I'm forgetting

[knotty mirage]

I have question so i tried to register on grand challenge 2025 but for some reason when i press search for a competition why i get message "No competition was found" ?

[molten oasis]

Prima does not eat +2 Tera ghost shadow claw

That was a gimmick

[balmy glen]

Cooked by Low ladder gaming rip

Low ladder cheese do be something else sometimes

[bold geode]

Is GC sign ups open?

[molten oasis]

Mhmm

[knotty mirage]

I think i already put the right age division is it because of location

[bold geode]

Shouldn't be

[knotty mirage]

Then why i get the message of competition not found

[molten oasis]

Team feels fine I just need to play better and learn the mu’s

[torn parrot]

Tera dark sneasler might be more helpful into psy spam

[molten oasis]

I also think it be a little better for dengo lol

[bold geode]

https://x.com/vgccorner/status/1834296342304489959?t=XEXQ6ufxmnK9GBCcFZQj8Q&s=19
Brady basically saying go max max lol

Brady Smith - VGC Corner (@vgccorner) on X

Incineroar Regulation H VGC Spread
Incineroar @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost/Grass/Water
EVs: 244 HP / 4 Atk / 4 Def / 252 SpD / 4 Spe
Careful Nature

• Flare Blitz
• Knock Off
• Parting Shot
• Fake Out

The spread above does the

Twitter · Sep 12, 2024, 6:21 PM

[solid frigate]

wait wha-

[torn parrot]

That’s gotta be one fat man

[bold geode]

I think specially max max probably better

Though rn I'm split and Impish
Still feels a bit too much for physical defense, but there's a reason why I have it that way so

[knotty mirage]

Okay yeah it have the location problem

I need to change the location to north america first to finally sign in

[torn parrot]

Perish song is really cool

And scummy

But cool

I think expanding force braviery is bad fundamentally

Unless somebody cooks with iron ball

[rustic mountain]

i see the vision

i feel like in most cases ur generally doing that for shroom and incin anyway (one is more specially bulky vs physically bulky)

this is jus more extreme on the max defense/sp def end for incin which it usually doesnt opt for

[forest arrow]

And I mean you’re lowering attack stat so it makes sense

[torn parrot]

@molten oasis how the gamus going

[molten oasis]

Not playing atm

[torn parrot]

kk

[bold geode]

He does mention that if he has like Amoonguss as well for example he'll make one physically bulky and the other specially

[dull ibex]

weegeecee

[solid frigate]

weegeecee

[rustic mountain]

thats why i mentioned that like its kinda basic principle, u dont want to lean too heavy on 1 end especially for ur defensive pieces

[dull ibex]

im in vc

@bold geode thanks alot for that new clef team, been liking sneasleboom

[gentle crag]

redstonejesus has given 1 Gen Rep to dollarmonke

[bold geode]

👍

[dull ibex]

🫡

[torn parrot]

hell yeah the bee team works in open teamsheets best of 3

not bad

i tested it like u said @molten oasis

no more tho
my brain is tired

and ill get sucked into showdown

[molten oasis]

How does it feel?

[torn parrot]

it feels really good tbh

[dull ibex]

WE DID IT BOYS MASTERBALL

[forest arrow]

Letsss gooo

[dull ibex]

9500

[forest arrow]

Now keep playing until you’re 1

[dull ibex]

HELLLLL no

[forest arrow]

Yessssss

[dull ibex]

I proved im not completely washed im good

[torn parrot]

HELL YEAH NICE JOB

[dull ibex]

I can enjoy pokemon again

[forest arrow]

Once I complete this team ladder will cry

hecid is indeed a fraud

I don’t like it

[molten oasis]

Just, to be clear, this is the sneasler rilla stuff?

[forest arrow]

What items do Sneasler run besides sash and seed?

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/shock-shocker-shocked-black-guy-gif-27526370

[torn parrot]

oh nah mb i was testing the bee team on best of 3 open teamsheets mb

[molten oasis]

Bruh

[forest arrow]

Did you ever do mono fairy yet?

[molten oasis]

Congrats

But why’d you ping me

[torn parrot]

i dunno lol

[molten oasis]

Normal gem fake out

[real prairie]

oooo i like that

[bold geode]

Bro's washed

[dull ibex]

only a little

[bold geode]

Like my laundry bitch

[dull ibex]

well judging by your pungent oder.....

[bold geode]

Shit I need to switch over laundry
Eh fuck it I'll do it later

Oh yeah my body order

You even spelt odor wrong lol

[dull ibex]

I can't even hate

anyways yeah happy to be back in master master ball ball

[bold geode]

I hated when people would douse themselves in Axe to hide body order

(actually seriously I fucking hated it)

[dull ibex]

its call deorderant for those axe idiots

I SPELT IT WRONG AGAIN

[bold geode]

LMFAO

[dull ibex]

vc bitch

[bold geode]

I prefer Old Spice deorderant

[dull ibex]

dude sneasler rilla boom claps sand leads lmao

[bold geode]

You're deafened in VC dumbass

[dull ibex]

not anymore idiot

friends aren't talking so I defean and watch youtube until a conversation happens

[molten oasis]

Im running snealeboom rn lol

It’s working pretty well

No unburden?

Oh it’s sash unburden

[dull ibex]

it is uburden

[molten oasis]

Why not go grassy seed?

[dull ibex]

its seed on cart

[molten oasis]

ohk

How’s stellar Tera?

[dull ibex]

I like it alot

[real prairie]

Sceptile - Sitrus berry - Shed tail - unburden any good?

or is the rest of its movepool too shit?

[molten oasis]

I’m running stellar rn too

How’s fake out been? I have throat chop for grassy seed sneasler

[dull ibex]

I never click it

[molten oasis]

Try throat chop then

I think the coverage move is nice, acrobatics also works

[dull ibex]

fair

[torn parrot]

oh its workin?

[molten oasis]

It’s working enough

But I also played 2 games with it

[real prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-john-travolta-what-gif-5114829

[molten oasis]

Sceptile sucks

[torn parrot]

hope the games go well
its okay if it doesnt work for you

[molten oasis]

I’m also sick of things not working lol

[dull ibex]

https://pokepast.es/7ebd03c003e3b1b9

[torn parrot]

well at the end of the day no teams can be perfect

[molten oasis]

Fs

[torn parrot]

all have flaws

honestly

i gotta say the best of 3 ladder is really good brain excersize

[molten oasis]

Yea lol

Bo3 is typically better

[forest arrow]

Sheeeshhh

[dull ibex]

dire claw just slept monke twice

feels bad man.

[bold geode]

Fuck this Cybertron Dozo team bruh

Wasn't a problem before now it's all of a sudden a big problem

[rustic mountain]

?

[chrome knot]

hi tree

[balmy glen]

?

[molten oasis]

Wha?

[rustic mountain]

[chrome knot]

hi tree can i send u paste in dms for like spread inspection

i have no idea what im doin but it looks decent

[balmy glen]

Real

[chrome knot]

pfft

[balmy glen]

Me when I make my regional teams last second

[rustic mountain]

sure

[real prairie]

does unburden only work the once, so switch out turns it off?

[chrome knot]

yes

[bold geode]

Goldie/Talon/Dozogiri/Dnite/Pawmot

[bold geode]

My most successful team was just slapping shit together and going "fuck it why not"

[zinc totem]

does unaware ignore body press damage from defence buffs?

[bold geode]

Yes

[zinc totem]

okay i remembered it didnt

[bold geode]

Basically any stat changes from opposing mons are ignored essentially

[balmy glen]

My worlds team prep was

“Is this 100% acc? Oh it is. Ok I’m ready.”

[zinc totem]

i mean that if i got +2 defence, it ignores my body press damage? like my body press is +0

[bold geode]

It basically will take the damage a neutral Body Press will do

[zinc totem]

yeah had to ask incase cuz i was in assumption that defence buff that transistions body press damage is a bit differend but i guess its then same as SD/nasty plot ignore. anyway thanks now i know that so i can avoid a bit better on unaware situations and play more properly into them

[rustic mountain]

elaborate on the dozo team aaron hasnt even featured one this reg

[bold geode]

It was
At least I remember it being

[rustic mountain]

if ur talkin surf dozo that was from so long ago

i saw that team literally once

[real prairie]

Im so unbelievably lucky https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2200425657-eakiglm56akjurkyke38ha3wrl97opwpw

[bold geode]

https://youtu.be/qrFuiK-ncoY?si=JjZMmAGNmBycRWMP
Nah here

[molten oasis]

Oh that stuff

Yea it’s annoying

[real prairie]

watching it back, i should have swapped Indeedee before the double KO as it was a free switch

[rustic mountain]

ohhh shit yea i didnt count the teams he used on casual ladder

imo
dozo/tatsu/talon/dengo/glimmora/dnite is a better 6

[bold geode]

Yeah

Just sucks cuz I've been beat by this team like 3 in a row already
Glimm is a bit easier

At least since it's the same team I can start to figure out lines into it

[rustic mountain]

yea def something u gta atleast have somewhat of a gameplan for

[balmy glen]

Sash Glimm ig

If it’s any other item it’s bad in this meta imo

Well I mean on the TW stuff

AV/Sitrus glimm do be annoying

[rustic mountain]

yea generally sash glimm is whats been doing well. and i think one that was av did well at vr

jus seems like a really strong 6 and a mode u can bring consistently w/o dozo

[balmy glen]

For the non Dozo mode I like not using Glimmora ngl

With the amount of steel types and amoongus and Sneasler Glimmora just feels so bad

[mighty stump]

Thats why you haymaker your opponents before they make a move

Urshifu is never banned cause these hands aren’t

[real prairie]

@mighty stump Howdy mate, any suggestions? https://pokepast.es/63e5225d30bd8e93

[mighty stump]

On a break, not looking

[rustic mountain]

yea thats fair

[molten oasis]

What have you been up to tofu

[mighty stump]

Aside from work and ace attorney investigations, not much

Been looking into some fashion pieces I intend to purchase

[molten oasis]

How’s ace attorney?

[mighty stump]

Hunting down a particular casio watch model that they don’t sell anymore

[mighty stump]

really good

worth the money

[molten oasis]

Is investigations the collection of games?

[mighty stump]

Just 2

each game has 5 chapters as usual

[molten oasis]

I think I watched someone play the first ace attorney, that was a fun watch

[mighty stump]

each chapter can last a 1-3 hours id say depending on quickly you put 2 and 2 together

[molten oasis]

Yea

[dull ibex]

sounds neat ngl

any of you guys done to vc?

[molten oasis]

Glad it’s fun for you, my friend wants me to play through it

I’m currently playing new Vegas tho

[dull ibex]

I have some interest in ace attorney

[mighty stump]

its chill

[dull ibex]

god I wish I could play new vegas for more then five minutes

[molten oasis]

Im too busy atm

[mighty stump]

plus still flexes your brain to some degree

[molten oasis]

Yea, seems like you need to remember a lot of information

[dull ibex]

New Vegas feels like dogshit to play

[real prairie]

Completely fair! Hope you are enjoying it bro

[mighty stump]

sometimes the links you have to infer are mentioned barely in passing but theres enough context clues that you dont rlly need to remember directly

[mighty stump]

thank you

[gentle crag]

woodtofu has given 1 Gen Rep to oneofakindof

[molten oasis]

I found that interesting when I watched someone play the game

[dull ibex]

Tofu I beat ori and the blind forest

[molten oasis]

I feel like a lot of those games felt clunky to play

[dull ibex]

fallout four plays fine

[mighty stump]

Plus if you get into a flow state and aee just getting correct call after call it feels rlly fun and hype

[mighty stump]

i 100% it

[dull ibex]

im in the middle of will of the wisps rn

big improvement over blind forest

[mighty stump]

i need to finish WoTW

rlly good

[molten oasis]

WoTW is amazing

[dull ibex]

It has actual combat which was my biggest complain of blind forest

[mighty stump]

Lol

[molten oasis]

I played WoTW first

Then tried playing blind forest and got bored

[dull ibex]

personally I felt ori 1 would have benefited from have literally no combat besides bash and deflect projectviles

[mighty stump]

cuz u did it in wrong order too LOL

[dull ibex]

the little burst of projectiles is not great

[molten oasis]

I didn’t know when I bought it lol

[mighty stump]

I prefer Ori over Hollow Knight

[molten oasis]

I just thought it looked interesting

[mighty stump]

the art and music is superior

[dull ibex]

also ive been playing WoTW on my switch which helps

[dull ibex]

I think it does literally everything better but bosses

[mighty stump]

HK was boring for me

[molten oasis]

Hollow knight is my third favorite game, so I generally prefer it

[dull ibex]

HK is too hard

har har skill issue I get it lmao

[molten oasis]

I was literally gonna say lmao

[dull ibex]

I want to enjoy a game

[mighty stump]

I kinda get it

dont wanna lock in every time i play a game lol

[molten oasis]

lol

[dull ibex]

the bosses were really satisfying though tbh

the combat and movement in tendum were great

[molten oasis]

Beating radiance felt so good

[dull ibex]

but also EVERY platforming challenge and boss was hard to me

its not that I can't I just don't want too

it was a little too slow for me personally

[molten oasis]

Fair enough

[mighty stump]

i should finish the Layton switch game

[molten oasis]

The what now?

[dull ibex]

professor layton

[mighty stump]

Do you not know the Professor Layton series

its fun

[molten oasis]

Never heard of it

[dull ibex]

did yall hear about Linkin Park's new singer

I really like her

[mighty stump]

She won’t replace Chester and she’s a scientologist

[molten oasis]

I did not

[mighty stump]

Her voice doesn’t hit the same

[dull ibex]

she's not a scientologist afaik

she also doesnt support a SA

[mighty stump]

Well that was the cherry on top

Not like Linkin Park has its original members either

[dull ibex]

the only thing I could find on is she attended one event

[mighty stump]

It’s basically a different band

[dull ibex]

its not.

[mighty stump]

It is

Lol

[dull ibex]

they're just missing brad and chester iirc

[mighty stump]

You listen to Numb and you listen to Emptiness Machine and tell me it hits the same

Or if you need something slower you do One More Light instead

Not the same

[dull ibex]

I dont like one more light

also yeah I dont really see as replacing chester

they are just moving on from his death

[mighty stump]

I get it, but it’s not Linkin Park

[foggy lodge]

Ship of theseus lol

[dull ibex]

I think it sounds like linkin park to me

same exact vibe

as for the quality of songs, uh Idk I would need time on that

ive been listening to numb for most of my life

[mighty stump]

Ship of Thesus but instead of one plank at a time it’s 1/3 of the ship in one go with the main headline festure

Hardly equivalent and gradual

[dull ibex]

it is a significantly better change then that argument i agree lmao

idk I don't like the idea of just writing off as not linkin park because chester died

although I do think it would have helped people if they just changed the band's name and didnt perform linkin park songs

but thats not really fair to anyone else in the band

[mighty stump]

Okay, but if Mcdonald’s replace their chicken nuggets with another type of nuggets with breadcrumb breading its no longer a mcnugget is it

[dull ibex]

ok but linkin park wasnt JUST chester

[solid frigate]

It does not have the spirit of that food lol

[mighty stump]

I mean you still have the sauce, same oil fry, same conditions

Just a different nugget

So is it still a mcnugget

[dull ibex]

is it still chicken?

[mighty stump]

Sure its still chicken

[dull ibex]

then yes its still a chicken mc nugget lmao

[mighty stump]

But you’d be lying if you said McNuggets didn’t have a distinct texture and taste that a breaded nugget wouldn’t be the same

It’s tempura batter for a reason

[dull ibex]

sure it wouldn't be the same but it would still a be a chicken mc nugget

im not arguing things are the same

[mighty stump]

So you agree it wouldn’t be the same

[dull ibex]

they distinctly aren't

[mighty stump]

If it’s not the same how is it then the same thing

[dull ibex]

but I don't agree its not linkin park anymore

[mighty stump]

You’re contradicting yourself here

[dull ibex]

im not

linkin park isnt chester

[bold geode]

Hey Tofu

[mighty stump]

Okay

Putting in Pokemon terms

Zacian without Rusted Sword is pretty not good

[dull ibex]

if the new songs with emily are written by the same person, recorded by more or less the same band, just a sung with someone else

[mighty stump]

and incredibly different

[dull ibex]

its still linkin park if just different

[mighty stump]

so its not the same

[dull ibex]

I literally said it isnt the same

[mighty stump]

its not the same entity, it’s different under the same name

[dull ibex]

it doesnt need to be the same to be linkin park

[mighty stump]

Its only the name thats the same

[dull ibex]

but not only the name is the same man

[bold geode]

Wtf did I come into

[dull ibex]

emptiness machine is written and sounds like a linkin park song but the vocalist is different

[mighty stump]

Red is arguing Linkin Park is basically still Linkin Park without Chester

[dull ibex]

no im not?

[mighty stump]

????

Yes you literally are

[dull ibex]

different

don't misrepresent my words please

[mighty stump]

But you’re insisting it is Linkin Park

[bold geode]

Misinterpret

[dull ibex]

yes because its linkin park

[mighty stump]

So it’s Linkin Park

[bold geode]

Bro misinterpreted my body order

[mighty stump]

With a different Singer

Ergo

[dull ibex]

acdc metallica and plenty of other bands have done this

[mighty stump]

A different Linkin Park

???

[bold geode]

Tofu kinda cookin

[dull ibex]

tofu isnt kind of cookin

[mighty stump]

Dude what am I missing the logic is so clearly laid out

[dull ibex]

it is linkin park.

[mighty stump]

Scroll up and let someone else tell me differnetly

[dull ibex]

you can be linkin park and be different

again its written pretty similiar and has the same vibe

the only element different in it is emily

why is it not linkin park anymore?

[bold geode]

The band is Linkin Park but it could be different cuz of the singer
Even if it is same vibe, different cuz it's not exactly the band that it was before

[dull ibex]

of course its different

its not exactly the same band

[bold geode]

You're saying it's the same and different

[dull ibex]

yes this is not mutually exclusive

[bold geode]

Yes

[dull ibex]

alright monke gets it

now if you disagree that is completely okay!

[bold geode]

Who said I got it?

I wasn't agreeing with you

[dull ibex]

getting it doesnt mean you agree.

understanding doesnt mean agreeing

[mighty stump]

Sure

[bold geode]

Well Tofu is saying it's a different Linkin Park right?

[mighty stump]

I agree the brand is Linkin Park

I’m saying it’s not the same Linkin Park, and the music and vibe will forever be different, and it’s only the same in name

[bold geode]

Yeah sounds like you fuckers are already agreeing unless I'm missing something

[mighty stump]

You cannot change a key piece and say the music is the same

[bold geode]

This is true

[mighty stump]

And to me, that means it’s not Linkin Park

[dull ibex]

I think emptiness machine is identifable as a linkin park song if chester sang it instead it would be the same vibe

[bold geode]

Also can we just say that this is also a situation where it's how one interprets the music themselves
What one can feel about a song can not be what another does

[mighty stump]

Thats an weak connection to make

You’re basicaly saying

It’s the same song if this key point is present

and it will then be the same

When that key feature is very well not there

[dull ibex]

if someone covers a linkin park song, is it not identifiable as linkin park?

[mighty stump]

It is, but we also say it’s not Linkin Park and it’s a cover

[bold geode]

No it's called a fucking Linkin Park cover

[mighty stump]

The song itself is identified as a Linkin Park SONG but it’s not Linkin Park the BAND

[dull ibex]

alright

[bold geode]

That is basically saying if you replace the cover person with Linkin Park, it's Linkin Park

[mighty stump]

You’re arguing identifiability is key to a band and makes their name but what about bands with different styles that changed

[mighty stump]

^

[dull ibex]

its produced and written the same which makes it linkin park

[bold geode]

But this is also matter of opinion as well
What one thinks could not be the same for another, especially with music which can be expressive and interpreted differently between two people

[mighty stump]

So if someone else ghostwrited a song for Linkin Park it’s not Linkin Park

[bold geode]

Drake don't sing on half his album then

[torn parrot]

Bababababababbababa

[dull ibex]

I think we can just agree to disagree here

[molten oasis]

Y’all still talking about linkin park?

[karmic temple]

After typing my response 3 times the mcnugget analogy finally hit me

[mighty stump]

Do you get it

[dull ibex]

lmao

[karmic temple]

Yes LMAO

[dull ibex]

im looking foward to the album

[mighty stump]

So how do you plead

[bold geode]

I remember back in the day when someone explained EVs to me in chicken nuggets and it somehow worked

[molten oasis]

What lol

[dull ibex]

that sounds hilarious

[karmic temple]

I PLEAD NOT GUILTY YOUR HONOR

[bold geode]

I can't say what I was gonna say lol

[mighty stump]

https://tenor.com/view/ace-attorney-hold-it-wait-wright-phoenix-gif-11598650

Where do you stand

[karmic temple]

I’m actually sitting

[bold geode]

Nowhere I'm laying down

[mighty stump]

Where do you stand, opinion wise

[bold geode]

Or I guess from another perspective I'm standing on air

[karmic temple]

Yeah it’s the same brand (linkin park) but it’s not the same band

[dull ibex]

agreed its not the same band

how could it be chester is gone

have you heard the new song?

[bold geode]

You said it was the same band

[karmic temple]

Nah after everything came out about Emily I didn’t bother with anything

[dull ibex]

no i literally

[dull ibex]

good news is all of it is false

[dull ibex]

well mostly we don't know her religious beliefs yet

[dull ibex]

I said the vibe of the band and the general production of a linkin park song are present

not that everything is the same

so while its different it feels like linkin park

this is not I think everything is exactly as it was

[mighty stump]

I guess we just have different key points in what make a band

[karmic temple]

I just read it was unclear if she still has ties, but at one point she did and that’s enough for me

[dull ibex]

sure!

[karmic temple]

It’s why I don’t listen to Sullivan king anymore

[dull ibex]

we don't know if she had ties

[mighty stump]

Well people can change but it still rubs me the wrong way

[dull ibex]

she attended one scientologist event and we don't know why

she could have been born into or just been invited

[karmic temple]

I have strong opinions(negative) on Scientologists

[dull ibex]

who doesnt

[karmic temple]

When ur almost kidnapped at 20 by them ur whole world changes !!

[dull ibex]

but its not fair to lable her one when nothing she has said or otherwise suggests she is one

[bold geode]

Wtf is a scientologist and am I stupid AF for not knowing

[dull ibex]

there was a podcaster who claimed she's a devoted scienctologist and thats where this comes from

[bold geode]

Idk wtf that is

[dull ibex]

they're a dangerous cult

[karmic temple]

Hollywood cult

[bold geode]

A science cult? Do they like do ceremonies over a fuckin Bunsen burner or some shit

[karmic temple]

They’re super nice on the streets to lure you into their building then get you into a movie screening room where you can watch a 25 minute video

Then boom you’re in the cult forever

[bold geode]

Ok so basically I'm just seeing the plot of Sinister 2 rn

[karmic temple]

Ok stfu LMFAOOO

[dull ibex]

its kinda like how the the church of satan whatever it is doesnt really worship satan

[mighty stump]

One is fine

Since they bait you

Although

[bold geode]

Oh they don't worship science?

[mighty stump]

It has to eb questioned howd you get jebaited in the first place

[mighty stump]

FREE PERSONALITY TEST

but my main concern is just music

It didnt hit the same

[bold geode]

It's just a fucking BuzzFeed quiz

[dull ibex]

I do think numb is an absurdly high bar

crawling is my favorite though

[karmic temple]

PLSSS my bf at the time was a writer and they convinced him that they have a ton of programs and mentorship’s to help you get off the ground

[bold geode]

Hearing Red talk made my brain numb

[karmic temple]

We were on our way to dinner when we took a 35 minute detour into their church

[dull ibex]

monke tell that to the set earlier

[dull ibex]

god cults are awful

[bold geode]

Well no shit Sherlock

Never would've guessed

[dull ibex]

monke im trying to have a normal conversation

[karmic temple]

It was so SCARY lmfao when they took us to the movie room I was worried I’d never see my cat again

[molten oasis]

Monke won’t let you

[bold geode]

Red you're not normal so you already failed

[dull ibex]

im sorry that happened to you

[dull ibex]

monke you are being a little much

[molten oasis]

When is he not

[karmic temple]

It’s okay it was like 10 years ago and I left the church and man back in LA lmfaoo

[bold geode]

Drago you just been watching this whole time?

[molten oasis]

Sorta

I’m playing dnd rn

[bold geode]

Did you watch the video though

[dull ibex]

based

[karmic temple]

NO I was pissed bc we were on our way to kbbq and I was hungry!! I didn’t have time to waste being brainwashed

[bold geode]

Lmao
"Y'all don't have popcorn in this bitch, I'm leaving"

[karmic temple]

My bf finally got the hint when they tried to get us to sit in the seats

LMFAO honestly I probably would’ve stayed a bit longer if I had a snack

[bold geode]

They're just like "we got M&Ms" and you're like "ok now we're talkin"

[karmic temple]

The crazy thing is, when they start talking to you outside it’s just one person, once you get inside like 2 more people come up, and when you get inside the room there’s like 5 of them there with you now

[dull ibex]

did they just let you leave?

[bold geode]

So they just be performing mitosis and shit

Hitting that fuckin Tien Multi Form technique

[karmic temple]

Yeah after like 5 minutes of “oh no we can’t stay we have dinner reservations like right now”

[dull ibex]

yeah im not sure I could support LP if she was confirmed one

its bad enough mike peddled NFTs

[karmic temple]

Ahh NFTs the best scam for idiots with money

[bold geode]

So basically if I have kept up
Essentially they take you to their crib like they on MTV or some shit, they make you look at their mixtape, and then tell you you're adopted now

[dull ibex]

can we ban monke

how do i get this power

[karmic temple]

Damn yeah what a great summarization

[bold geode]

Ok yeah so I was actually
100% right on Sinister 2

[dull ibex]

damn a dogshit cult copying one of the worst horror movies ever

[karmic temple]

There was definitely something sinister going on in there

[bold geode]

Nah bruh the fuckin dude comes out the videos like "they copying my fuckin swag"

[karmic temple]

Isn’t that backwards ?.? They copied them

[dull ibex]

no idea how old scientology is

[karmic temple]

Scientologists actually made that movie about them

[bold geode]

The directors were that or?

[karmic temple]

How old is Tom Cruise? Probably as old as him if not older

[karmic temple]

Was a joke teehee

[dull ibex]

62

Hubbard's stated goal was to analyze humankind's mental aberrations and to offer a means for overcoming them. He eventually moved away from Dianetics' focus on the mind to a more religious approach to the human condition, which he called Scientology. The Church of Scientology was founded in 1954

[bold geode]

Starting to say, maybe scientologists are just trying to make you watch a horror movie

[torn parrot]

I have breaking news

[zinc totem]

im in tournament and im in top 7 OwO

[torn parrot]

nvm I won’t say it

It’s your thunder

I was gonna mention the other thing

[torn parrot]

That’s fuckin rad

[bold geode]

Other thing

[karmic temple]

You earn cp for limitless tours right or nah

[balmy glen]

no lol

[karmic temple]

Cries in no locals anywhere near me

[balmy glen]

rip, gotta save up and play in the global challenges then ig

[bold geode]

Nah it's just community held stuff

[karmic temple]

That seems very homophobic and specifically targeted at me personally. I’ll have to write a letter to the CEO of pokemon