cuz sneasler's a piece of paper bulk wise
#competitive_discussion
molten oasis
rustic mountain
for me unless u fall into a specific category i go defensive
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
rustic mountain
and even for some of those ive run defensive teras
solid frigate
ok yeah thats just Paper
molten oasis
for comparasin
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
rustic mountain
molten oasis
good ice coverage is so nice
solid frigate
i think we all just either miss Pao or Chi Yu unless you are a Calyrex Player
rustic mountain
i dont miss either
solid frigate
Chi-Yu Pagos was the sauce i go back in Reg G ;-;
torn parrot
Why the hell are people playing gravity hypnosis when you can compund eyes sleep powder
rustic mountain
u mean not getting to click protect
molten oasis
yes
solid frigate
everyone hates Calyrex expect Players who play Calyrex
Its stupid ik.
rustic mountain
reg g was cool but ppl are vastly overhating reg h and i stand by that
molten oasis
reg h is improving
solid frigate
its slightly better now its just i don't get the sauce
molten oasis
i think the first few weeks sucked
rustic mountain
i think the most fun i had was then haha
solid frigate
i think the first few weeks sucked
oh yeah that is a dumpster fire lol
rustic mountain
its still fun but those first few weeks were wild it was annoying but mostly pretty fun
felt like we got to play good ol pokemon again in a lot of ways
i gta figure out wtf imma play for the gc
torn parrot
reg g was cool but ppl are vastly overhating reg h and i stand by that
Yeah I don’t think there’s anything wrong with it
Besides some really annoying pokemon that pop up every game
rustic mountain
thats like every meta tho
molten oasis
for gc, once i get them, im just playing my team i got rn
rustic mountain
the meta stabilizing is great cuz then u know wat to build/plan for
as long as wat ur planning for isnt overtly broken
molten oasis
i think thats why i dont like the first few weeks usually
solid frigate
Reg A we have the same thing
Reg B has Flutter Mane
Reg C Has Palabalance
Reg D has TornShifu
Reg E idk
Reg F has Peli Archa(Not that Nuisance)
Reg G has Calyrex
rustic mountain
reg a was not the same thing
solid frigate
technically yeah true
rustic mountain
technically yeah true
similar stuff for sure but too many things added in that are relevant now as well to call it the same
solid frigate
Was reg F hated?
not hated in fact its one of the better Regs
rustic mountain
Was reg F hated?
eh mixed id say, it was one of my favorites in sv
torn parrot
I forgot that reg E existed wow
It barely existed
torn parrot
eh mixed id say, it was one of my favorites in sv
Honestly I think I enjoyed that one too
But H is my fave
rustic mountain
Honestly I think I enjoyed that one too
But H is my fave
already?
solid frigate
Reg F is my Fav
torn parrot
already?
Yeah it’s been a nice change of pace to not be in constant fear of being exploded by a giant nuke
rustic mountain
i think i like series 2 more but reg h is really fun
will have to see how i feel about it once its over
molten oasis
reg d was obviously top tier
rustic mountain
again another format that was overly hated but 
def not a top tier format that was a joke
rustic mountain
yea prolly
molten oasis
but it wasn't awful
solid frigate
i think its like
There are no bad formats,its just skill issue
(Unless its Reg D)
rustic mountain
ive played 1 bad format and that was series 6 in swsh
other then that they are atleast playable
torn parrot
I really hated reg C more than any format
They stuck 4 powerhouses in a meta game of shitmons
How are shitmons supposed to stand up to dragonite chien pao
rustic mountain
well paradoxes
torn parrot
Oh yeah I forgot about those guys
rustic mountain
and also i think that was the point, they wanted them to take center stage
its a gen 9 game, they want the new mons to take spotlight to make ppl want to get the new games
solid frigate
ive played 1 bad format and that was series 6 in swsh
i hav not played it but what the heck happen-
torn parrot
and also i think that was the point, they wanted them to take center stage
I guess that does make an interesting format
But it never really clicked with me
rustic mountain
i hav not played it but what the heck happen-
they banned the top 10 most used and u thought itd b fun but it was jus a format of the wild wild west the entire time almost and it just was kinda miserable to play a lot of times
solid frigate
they banned the top 10 most used and u thought itd b fun but it was jus a format...
oh yeah.
Now i remembered that.
torn parrot
ive played 1 bad format and that was series 6 in swsh
What happened there?
rustic mountain
I guess that does make an interesting format
But it never really clicked with ...
fair enough i thought reg c was cool. made it interesting seeing a lot of things focusing around the new legends/abilities. and they were a few teams that also did well that didnt. the interesting aspect is the double edged sword nature of those abilities. i thought it added another dynamic to the game that otherwise never mattered and opened up new avenues of teambuilding and mon exploration. e speed dnite being the prime example u mentioned already
torn parrot
I think
rustic mountain
What happened there?
i gave a brief explanation a few messages above
torn parrot
Mb mb I’ll check
rustic mountain
ur good
solid frigate
Reg C was like my top 2 format in SV solely because Chi Yu Existed
rustic mountain
i wouldnt put it top 2 but it was solid
solid frigate
i just love Chi Yu lol
solid frigate
solid frigate
im currently using budget chi yu
Zard?
solid frigate
Zard Sucks even in Casual Fanbase
Got i hate Zard so much
rustic mountain
im not a zard hater but its jus not it rn
molten oasis
zard needs gen gimmicks to be good, like dynamax and mega
torn parrot
fair enough i thought reg c was cool. made it interesting seeing a lot of things...
I think I remember what made C annoying for me was that aspect
It felt like most of the time you had to have a ruin on your team to keep up which made teambuilding feel very frusterating and narrow
Chi yu and Chien Pao forced teams to be very offensive squishy and ting lu was like you were forced to have a very minimal amount of special attackers
solid frigate
i swear everytime i see Zard in SV Ladder
Its either you know what the niche on Zard is
or you are just a Zard Fan
rustic mountain
there were teams w.o any ruins that did well. id have to do digging to find specifics but they existed
but yea a lot of teams did have 1
except wo chien
torn parrot
Yeah except wo chein
solid frigate
except wo chien
Yeah Wo-Chien only got some play in Reg G and thats it
rustic mountain
i swear everytime i see Zard in SV Ladder
Its either you know what the niche on...
its so televised
i jus take the ez dub
crazy cuz zard was so good for like almost all of swsh
but it needed gmax + broken gmax move
solid frigate
but it needed gmax + broken gmax move
even in Gen 6-7 Zard was only good in some cases
molten oasis
i like seeing zard usually cuz i ahve harc
then they click scorching sands and i cry
rustic mountain
even in Gen 6-7 Zard was only good in some cases
it had mega tho
solid frigate
With Mega Y mostly and Wolfey's Special Mega X Zard
rustic mountain
then they click scorching sands and i cry
lol
solid frigate
its just not good at all when Chi Yu and H-Typhlosion exisrs
solid frigate
it does worse off cuz of all the h typhlosion hate
i rather use Typhlosion over Charizard even they Typhlosion is Basically Zard Clone
rustic mountain
like johto ty?
solid frigate
exactly
rustic mountain
nah u lose me there
solid frigate
you understand how much i hate Zard now
rustic mountain
solar power def gives zard an edge there atleast
-8ball run this pledge team for the gc?
gentle cragBOT
run this pledge team for the gc?
:8ball: It is decidedly so
rustic mountain
solid frigate
oh god
rustic mountain
fuck it we ball
if the meta drastically changes maybe ill swap but im pretty comfortable w/ it + its not jus a pledge team
solid frigate
holy shit my switch is pipping hot rn
torn parrot
if the meta drastically changes maybe ill swap but im pretty comfortable w/ it +...
What could change
solid frigate
a winning team that changes the meta dynamic?
bold geode
<:PB_shock:744998229984280628>
-8ball do I run a valid team for GC
gentle cragBOT
do I run a valid team for GC
:8ball: Without a doubt
bold geode
Damn
chrome knot
-8ball is hatterene better than armarouge
gentle cragBOT
is hatterene better than armarouge
:8ball: Better not tell you now
chrome knot
-8ball is hatterene better than armarouge
gentle cragBOT
is hatterene better than armarouge
:8ball: Ask again later
chrome knot
-8ball is hatterene better than armarouge
gentle cragBOT
is hatterene better than armarouge
:8ball: Without a doubt
bold geode
Did you have a change of heart Emma?
bold geode
Lmao
So the Hatt is indeed better?
chrome knot
mhm
bold geode
Ah
Puts Parting Shot back on teamsheet
chrome knot
scary that its not
also i mean if u want ursaluna to come in with guts boosted be my guest
bold geode
Nah Grisssmer the goat for Orlando
chrome knot
craziest bluff ever
bold geode
Honestly smart AF
livid roost
Any obvious improvements for this team? https://pokepast.es/5ee28b2f689481f9
torn parrot
I can’t get 8ball to work
craggy dagger
pallid hare
-8ball will you ever work for others?
gentle cragBOT
will you ever work for others?
:8ball: As I see it, yes
rustic mountain
What could change
if the meta gets a lot bulkier and slows down more by then this team prolly not gna b it
u need to be either mball rank + or staff to use 8ball
torn parrot
Ohhh gotcha thanks
rustic mountain
-8ball do I run a valid team for GC
torn parrot
if the meta gets a lot bulkier and slows down more by then this team prolly not ...
Oh yeah your right
At some point it will
What’s your 1700 team by the way
rustic mountain
pledge team
scarada-prim-h ty-murkrow-bloodmoon-arch
torn parrot
Ohhh I remember you using that i think pledge is really cool
rustic mountain
its an interesting option, i say pledge team but its not something ur necessarily trynna get off every game
torn parrot
Ye tru but when you can get it off swamp is a crazy option to have
rustic mountain
yea swamp is very strong
torn parrot
Does rainbow do anything on your team or just for the big move?
rustic mountain
i dont use rainbow
torn parrot
Oh yeah that’s fair
rustic mountain
jus prim and scarada as the pledge guys
torn parrot
Rainbow is gimmicky either way
rustic mountain
rainbow is kinda meh nd i never feel like id prefer it
molten oasis
Rainbow is effectively serene grace right?
rustic mountain
also sturdy arch has been great, having 2 focus sash's is clutch sometimes lol
molten oasis
Sturdy arch?
rustic mountain
Rainbow is effectively serene grace right?
it jus doubles all secondary effects
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
molten oasis
So yes lol
torn parrot
I don’t know which arch annoys me more
molten oasis
Ive only seen stamina
rustic mountain
both for different reasons lol
sturdy is on non rain variants
power herb w/ meteor beam or electro shot
usually stellar tera
torn parrot
Hey
Guys isn’t rilla incin and basc similar to the shifu trio
With all 3 pivoting
Flip turn u turn parting shot
chrome knot
tr33 hello
torn parrot
Hello gamer
Do you think basc incin rilla
Will become the new balance in like
A few weeks
chrome knot
i think incin rilla kinda bad rn together imo
chrome knot
duo of doing mostly nothing
chrome knot
noo..?
torn parrot
Doing everything at once in the most uninteresting mediocre way
NO FUCKING WAY I JSUT FINISHED THE SECOND SEASON OF FROM AND IM BLOWN AWAY
bold geode
duo of doing mostly nothing
Yeah I just got it on my team rn cuz Incin be nice for some fucking defense
forest arrow
yeah i saw that freaking venonat lol
polar nest
What pokemon are good in no tr psyspam? I have a expanding force user picked out but dont know what else to add
steady river
I just found out about legendaries being banned im so happy
molten oasis
What pokemon are good in no tr psyspam? I have a expanding force user picked out...
Why are you going no tr psyspam
polar nest
Why are you going no tr psyspam
because every time i try trick room it doesnt work well for me
but i still wanna try psyspam
molten oasis
What is the eforce user
polar nest
espathra
molten oasis
…
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
molten oasis
Why not Delphox
polar nest
Chicken run (Espathra) (M) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Speed Boost
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Psychic
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Expanding Force
- Stored Power
- Calm Mind
- Protect
polar nest
yeah 🙂
molten oasis
You’re immediately walled by hydreigon and kingambit
molten oasis
You have to drop eforce or stored power
Which is the whole point of the set
I’d just go like, Hisui Ty whimsi Ursa Bloodmoon and then whatever you feel like you need
polar nest
I’d just go like, Hisui Ty whimsi Ursa Bloodmoon and then whatever you feel like...
i was gonna try hisui ty after psyspam
gentle cragBOT
i was gonna try hisui ty after psyspam
agplays_ has given 1 Gen Rep to drayagedrago
modern harbor
ive been using sweet veil tsareena on cart for a bit on my tr team and its rly good actually
torn parrot
I’m truly inspired right now
It’s time to redeem my worst team ever
Fairy monotype
modern harbor
oof
torn parrot
But
modern harbor
queer pokemon !
torn parrot
ILL DONIT RIGHT THIS TIME
polar nest
You have to drop eforce or stored power
drop calm mind run decorate?
torn parrot
queer pokemon !
Exactly
The gay type
chrome knot
i mean primarina is good right?
stinky
modern harbor
what does primarina even do
molten oasis
i was gonna try hisui ty after psyspam
Hisui Ty goes well with psyspam due to anti priority
gentle cragBOT
Hisui Ty goes well with psyspam due to anti priority
drayagedrago has given 1 Gen Rep to agplays_
molten oasis
Fairy monotype
What
bold geode
what does primarina even do
Throw a Life Orb on it and let it scream tbh
modern harbor
it has like pixilate for water right?
polar nest
Hisui Ty goes well with psyspam due to anti priority
i do like the idea of hisui ty but 3x dark weak
gentle cragBOT
i do like the idea of hisui ty but 3x dark weak
You gave Gen Rep too recently. You can give Gen Rep again <t:1726096337:R>.
bold geode
Yeah Liquid Voice
Any sound move will turn into a Water type move
molten oasis
i do like the idea of hisui ty but 3x dark weak
You’ll live
bold geode
So like Hyper Voice is a Water move
Psychic Noise is a Water move iirc
molten oasis
You only bring 4 mons to a game
polar nest
You’ll live
ok bet
molten oasis
And you have Tera. Don’t worry too much about weakness overlap
bold geode
You can use Throat Spray on it but like
I like Lorb cuz you can use Haze Primarina and not worry about erasing your own boosts
polar nest
And you have Tera. Don’t worry too much about weakness overlap
i really like hisui Typhlo
molten oasis
You remember that
It was a disaster for both us
Oh the team you kicked my ass with
polar nest
torn parrot
Oh the team you kicked my ass with
I nosedive bombed right after tho
I must redeem fairies with the knowledge i have gained
molten oasis
I nosedive bombed right after tho
I must redeem fairies with the knowledge i h...
I hope you did lol
Good luck
polar nest
https://pokepast.es/d318740597065796
i think this is good
molten oasis
It looks fine
torn parrot
This bug monotype thing is inspiring me so much
molten oasis
This bug monotype thing is inspiring me so much
It isn’t doing anything for me lol
Because I’d be going ghost bcuz dengo
bold geode
Just went from 4-10 on cart to 13-12, we fuckin ballin today
torn parrot
Yahhhh!!!
torn parrot
Just went from 4-10 on cart to 13-12, we fuckin ballin today
COMEBACK
bold geode
Yeah
Last game was wild too
Called an Arch switch in and hit it with a CC which pulled me out of a fuckin rut
real prairie
https://pokepast.es/d318740597065796
more defensive EV in indeedee personally, needs to stick around longer for Imprison
bold geode
Which was risky cuz it was targeted into a Basculegion, but it was locked into Crash and I did Glide in same slot so
And after that, rain expired so it couldn't Electro Shot
I legit pulled that game out my ass
foggy lodge
https://pokepast.es/d318740597065796
Why 252 speed Indeedee
polar nest
Why 252 speed Indeedee
it is?
polar nest
more defensive EV in indeedee personally, needs to stick around longer for Impri...
oops
ER Nurse (Indeedee-F) @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Psychic Surge
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Follow Me
- Imprison
- Helping Hand
- Trick Room
foggy lodge
also i don't like that Whimsicott spread
polar nest
changed to this
polar nest
also i don't like that Whimsicott spread
not good at eving i just use the recommended set
foggy lodge
i think Whimsicott needs speed
polar nest
i think Whimsicott needs speed
can u help me?
Cheetos (Whimsicott) @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Prankster
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Sunny Day
- Tailwind
- Moonblast
- Protect
like this?
polar nest
actually?
bold geode
Incineroar was ballin today so far, fucking pog
molten oasis
They’re usually sashed yea
bold geode
I've seen a decent bit of Whims with Cloak
polar nest
2 turns of calm mind= 140 bp stored power and x2 spatk
bold geode
Honestly kinda expect more Cloak Whims personally tbh, but I still throw Fake Outs into Whims just in case
bold geode
Wait wtf is this team?
molten oasis
2 turns of calm mind= 140 bp stored power and x2 spatk
A gholdengo is gonna ruin your life
A snarl user or incin will do the same
bold geode
Just use Delphox bruh
polar nest
yea
polar nest
Just use Delphox bruh
but chicken
molten oasis
The chicken sucks man
bold geode
The only time chicken was ever even usable is when Espathra Sandy Shocks was an excusable gimmick
molten oasis
lol
polar nest
):
polar nest
A gholdengo is gonna ruin your life
but hisuian typhlo
bold geode
Shadow Ball forces tera
polar nest
delphox also weak shadow ball
bold geode
But it can actually work better than this shit
Tbh hot take: Whims Typhlosion doesn't really cooperate with Psyspam unless it's like
Scarf Male Indeedee
So you kinda should really pick one or the other here
bold geode
Cuz rn it just looks thrown together and clunky
polar nest
i get confused sometimes when getting advice
cuz drago told me to put it on
i didnt want to
molten oasis
but hisuian typhlo
If the dengo team has a way to take out Ty dengo gets to play a very fun game
gentle cragBOT
If the dengo team has a way to take out Ty dengo gets to play a very fun game
drayagedrago has given 1 Gen Rep to agplays_
molten oasis
Of mir spam
molten oasis
Tbh hot take: Whims Typhlosion doesn't really cooperate with Psyspam unless it's...
I thought it did work ok
Doesn’t ty want anti prio?
bold geode
If I were doing non TR Psyspam, I'd go Delphox and Indeedee and go from there tbh
bold geode
I thought it did work ok
Kinda better with Farigiraf unless like I said
Scarf Male Indeedee cuz that's the more offensive one
forest arrow
Delphox was honestly ok haha
bold geode
At least Delphox can do fast E Force and threaten Gholdengo
forest arrow
Yeah
bold geode
Which is hard to do unless you're like
Weak Armor Weakness Policy Armarouge
forest arrow
and you if you tera youre eating an eforce
bold geode
Weak Armor Weakness Policy Armarouge was a bitch so far this Reg cuz all the times I saw it they basically did like the fucking MausApe fake
It looks like regular Hard TR Psyspam but then the Ape U Turns into a Tera Psychic Arma and makes me sad
molten oasis
Which is hard to do unless you're like
Weak Armor Weakness Policy Armarouge
Don’t speak that into existence
More
molten oasis
<:grookey_gun:732610213147967571>
Ok Mr “I can’t get above 1300”
bold geode
I mean you said it yourself for me
I'd roast you about it but your replays already do that for me 
molten oasis
I'd roast you about it but your replays already do that for me <:KekCry:12512947...
I don’t even send replays mf
bold geode
Well they're there and they're doing the job for me regardless
molten oasis
Well they're there and they're doing the job for me regardless
Ok but it wasn’t even like bad
polar nest
Don’t speak that into existence
molten oasis
I don’t think a9 is that bad, I have no idea how to get it to fit in a team
molten oasis
... https://pokepast.es/95aa6938eb60ca2c
I’m not even gonna look
molten oasis
Ok get rid of the psyspam gimmick and just play normal psyspam and it’s better
polar nest
thats tr tho
polar nest
Why do you wanna play psyspam then
bcuz im trying to try each archetype
molten oasis
You have to play tr then man
molten oasis
maybe i should just try somthing else
Yes
Cuz I genuinely do not know what to tell you
polar nest
imma try hisui ty
molten oasis
If you wanna try every archetype you need to try where it’s strongest
And rn I think psyspam is strongest with tr
polar nest
i might revisit later
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
rustic mountain
I don’t think a9 is that bad, I have no idea how to get it to fit in a team
if u watched that vid i linked it literally shows arguably the best performing a9 team atm
molten oasis
if u watched that vid i linked it literally shows arguably the best performing a...
does it include a certain pair of fish
rustic mountain
?
molten oasis
Dozo
rustic mountain
no idts
molten oasis
good, cuz I think dozo a9 is cringe lol
rustic mountain
nah it was like balance stuff iirc
literally jus watch wat i sent lmao i even gave u a timestamp
molten oasis
Lemme find it
rustic mountain
they generally say the issues ive noted w/ a9 but adi specifically seems to think it has a potential place
molten oasis
19 HOUR?
rustic mountain
1 hour and 19 min mark
molten oasis
Oh ok
rustic mountain
its a good vid to watch overall imo
molten oasis
I was thinking about cloak
rustic mountain
sash cloak or clay seem all viable
solid frigate
Deja Vu?
solid frigate
oh
molten oasis
So they like what it can do
But it struggles into, weather, which makes sense
Being fast being a detriment was rough
molten oasis
I think also just, the team look fine
I hate volc coverage
Fire grass isn’t really great
rustic mountain
fire grass is good
sure some things resist both but most things take atleast neutral
molten oasis
sure some things resist both but most things take atleast neutral
From experience I just wasn’t liking it
Ik volc’s that volcs good rn
rustic mountain
fair enough
molten oasis
It’s just preference, I like dengo cuz it gets walled by like 2 things
Volc sees a dragon or fire type and can’t do shit
rustic mountain
i wouldnt say cant do shit cuz at a certain point in boosting the resist isnt gna matter
i think it depends
being able to identify wen something is good in a mu is important, sometimes its not the time to bring it or rely on it in the same way
molten oasis
i could experiment with a9 again I felt like I was getting somewhere but got genuinely really stuck at harc a9 dengo tbh
rustic mountain
volcs def one of those kind of mons
molten oasis
Yea
I genuinely didn’t think a9 dengo harc was bad it felt solid
I could not figure out the other 3
Skill issue ig lol
rustic mountain
i think this format teambuilding is a bit trickier outside the bigger archetypes
molten oasis
yea
Yk what, ik I have a good team ik dengo a9 harc can work
More experimenting is probably what it needs tbh
I definitely think redirection or speed control is a must
molten oasis
It’s really good rn
rustic mountain
i wanna try out the team cybertron jus featured
molten oasis
I already like amoonguss dengo, guess I’ll do that
rustic mountain
shroom is great
rustic mountain
off rip
psyspam might be annoying for u
molten oasis
yes, arma/torkoal especialky
rustic mountain
yea
torn parrot
It’s kinda crazy that kingambit dropping a steel move is just standard now
solid frigate
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2199761798
Me with Feint Electabuzz and a Dream
molten oasis
It just has to be a dark type that isn’t weak to torkoal
solid frigate
It’s kinda crazy that kingambit dropping a steel move is just standard now
didn't Gambit did that like in Reg A-C
molten oasis
Cuz I don’t wanna add rilla
rustic mountain
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2199761798
Me with Feint Ele...
u didnt click feint once
molten oasis
Hm
solid frigate
u didnt click feint once
but he saw my OTS lol
molten oasis
technically could go incin
rustic mountain
*technically could go incin*
over harc?
rustic mountain
i feel like both
solid frigate
idk why they acted so shocked
it exist for beat Protect and Quick Guard
Yes i said Quick Guard Over Wide Guard cuz My Team does not have Spread Moves
rustic mountain
prolly psyspam more since thats immediate
molten oasis
I really don’t wanna resort to incin but incin and harc technically do the same thing, man
rustic mountain
and if u dont take a ko u can deny the torkoal switch
jus depends how u can manage ur team w.o taking kos under tr
molten oasis
I think dengo can do just fine into it tbh
can
Dengo harc lead which threatens arma immediately
rustic mountain
I really don’t wanna resort to incin but incin and harc technically do the same ...
not at all haha
molten oasis
it’s the same of what I want
Harc was added for typhlosion stuff
Incin can also handle typhlosion stuff
Idt they do literally the same thing
rustic mountain
molten oasis
I also think the team would get too passive with incin
rustic mountain
yea
potentially, itd depend on how u rounded out the team w/ ur last 2 slots
incin can do damage
ppl jus tend to play it more passive
molten oasis
hm, I agree psyspam my is kinda not great but I also think the fire types aren’t like, impossible to manage
Harc can handle torkoal
rustic mountain
yea jus w/ shroom over rilla u make eforce hurt a lot more
molten oasis
I get a “free” nasty plot t1 or they don’t get tr
rustic mountain
dark shroom might be something to consider
torn parrot
Every time I think about using psy spam I get reminded that I have to fight incin and rillaboom if I do that
molten oasis
Let’s do that
rustic mountain
Every time I think about using psy spam I get reminded that I have to fight inci...
theres ways around it but idk i jus dont find psyspam enjoyable haha
molten oasis
Psyspam boring to me lol
hm, what’s the next immediate issue
I still think a dark type would be good here
torn parrot
It’s only boring if your not playing weakness policy armarouge
In that case every turn is a rollercoaster
rustic mountain
molten oasis
I feel like a bad person playing WP arma
rustic mountain
its also an actively bad set for it
molten oasis
Fr
solid frigate
just use the Standard Set for the love of god-
dawn crown
I wish we had Iron Hands in this format
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/71e3ae5537933fd2 any thoughts on what this needs?
dull ibex
sneasleboom
molten oasis
sneasleboom
What
dull ibex
sneasleboom
dull ibex
ok
molten oasis
Ik what you were referring to I just don’t think it makes sense here
foggy lodge
https://pokepast.es/71e3ae5537933fd2 any thoughts on what this needs?
Hydreigon or Garchomp don't seem bad here
molten oasis
May go garchomp, cuz I feel like my gambit answers are lacking
But hydrei is probably better for more mu’s
Notably psyspam
@rustic mountain https://pokepast.es/8e1f3038a86389b7 wdyt of this?
This, ended up being multiple suggestions on hydreigon and then I went basc cuz, basc is cool
torn parrot
Bloobleebla
molten oasis
right I wanted to cloak on a9 cuz I think light clay sucks lol
But what do I give hydrei
bold geode
We are now within top 5k of cart ladder
solid frigate
We are now within top 5k of cart ladder
ayo nice
bold geode
Sneasler Pult is genuinely fucking busted
molten oasis
y
bold geode
Check Brady Smith's posts on Twitter
Has an explanation but it also just hits different
molten oasis
i did idt its busted
they're both pretty frail and pult has to tera for ghost stab, which makes dengo pretty decent into the duo, and if you have redirection idt the mu is that bad
bold geode
You don't do Ghost STAB
Dragon Tera
molten oasis
even better
bold geode
Just gotta have ways to get rid of Dengo lol
rustic mountain
<@669294124649676800> https://pokepast.es/8e1f3038a86389b7 wdyt of this?
i mean u got fantasty nd fwg core it seems solid enough on paper. not sure how all the parts together do into every mu spread tho. id say jus hit the ladder and see how it feels. start fresh from an alt and give urself time to figure things out
rustic mountain
You don't do Ghost STAB
Dragon Tera
molten oasis
yea for sure
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
rustic mountain
its jus tough to give more then that w/o knowing more on the team myself. the mons are all good its just sometimes its not always enough in this format
solid frigate
wen will ppl realize h goodra sucks
appearently not
rustic mountain
i swear its like ppls most fav here
bold geode
wen will ppl realize h goodra sucks
It just beat me so
rustic mountain
molten oasis
It just beat me so
skill issue
bold geode
Sableye burned my Sneasler so
solid frigate
i swear its like ppls most fav here
its like,why run that
Every fucking reg-
molten oasis
(i think idbp is okay)
bold geode
Sableye burned my Sneasler and Primarina was Tera Steel so
molten oasis
sableye ticks me off lol
like, its never relevant enough but when it does show up its super annoying
rustic mountain
thats its whole thing
solid frigate
its literally CTS skill check
can somebody explain how Combusken is not in NFE slot lmao
despite being NFE lol
dull ibex
Sableye burned my Sneasler so
Skill. Issue
solid frigate
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2199831422
This is actually funny
dull ibex
why am i bad at pokemon?
balmy glen
because u don’t play pokemon
pastel blade
Anyone use solar beam on typhlosion?👀
balmy glen
I have 345 games this reg 💀
like i said u dont play mons
mighty stump
I have 345 games this reg 💀
To be fair you didn’t play most of the other regs
mighty stump
Not enough games yet
You’re playing in Baltimore right? Good luck
balmy glen
Ty ty
tranquil kraken
GL! :3
solid frigate
Keanu the goat is at it again lol
zinc totem
Not enough games yet
good luck dude, win for us haha
solid frigate
TIL: joining online competition locks you from using that team in online battles
i think we know this by now lol
zinc totem
i think we know this by now lol
TIL = today i learned
well this is first tournament im joining so didnt know that 
zinc totem
thats why im using team i've won most battles with
real prairie
what tournies are happening already?? assume they arent the official VGC circuit?
sorry im a little out of the loop
solid frigate
Online has Global Challenge
real prairie
ah right, yeah I CBA to play my switch atm been glued to Showdown 🤣
solid frigate
and irl has Baltimore Regional
But go to Limitless to go into Online tournaments
zinc totem
there is actually happening charity tournament in limitless which i also joined
real prairie
Regionals already?! DAMN!
real prairie
im right to think Birmingham isnt until the new year?
solid frigate
why did i think there was a birmingham regional?
there isn't one
real prairie
well thats messed me up for the year, might have to try get to the france regional
real prairie
im confused...
real prairie
and itll be Reg G, not a new Reg?
solid frigate
and itll be Reg G, not a new Reg?
yea
real prairie
suppose i should stop practicing Reg H then 🤣
solid frigate
Ludicolo shines with Kyogre
ehhh its workable i guess
I'm using Miraidon or Terapagos
molten oasis
Ludicolo shines with Kyogre
man, uh, I wouldn’t really get your hopes up
Ludicolo is not a great Mon
solid frigate
Ludicolo is not a great Mon
its only good in Smogon and thats it
Personally just go for Overqwill
real prairie
Ludicolo is my alltime favorite mon, so ill squeeze him in. even if he ends up sitting on the bench as a cheerleader 🤣
real prairie
the fact he is even considerable makes me happy frankly
Tera Steller - Energy Ball is also a great Groudon and Op Kyogre counter
solid frigate
Since when was he considerable lol
welp i have to go to two places now that i know Birmingham has a Regional
limber marsh
Quick question if anyone knows, I was just playing a match, had excadrill in a sandstorm, so like 281 speed. And somehow my opponents sneasler was going faster than it from turn 1. They also had indeedee and psychic terrain, but I'm not sure that would affect it
limber marsh
Anyone know why that might be?
molten oasis
Why do you need to go to 2
real prairie
Quick question if anyone knows, I was just playing a match, had excadrill in a s...
Physhic Seed, Unburden Sneasler
molten oasis
Quick question if anyone knows, I was just playing a match, had excadrill in a s...
Unburden doubles the speed of sneasler
real prairie
i know that because i run it lol
molten oasis
That’s why
real prairie
i outspeed so many mons even with their TW up 🤣
molten oasis
That’s, yes that’s the point
limber marsh
Ahh gotcha
Unburden isn't listed for some reason lol
Does serebi have incomplete data?
molten oasis
Is it on the scarlet and violet dex?
real prairie
I mean i use Game8 for move/ability info and who learns them
i never trust their builds haha
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/0470d8c85c21495e scope lens focus energy hydrei or sitrus hydrei here? I’m unsure as the other items are unavailable
real prairie
could partner it with someone with Dragon Cheer 🧌
molten oasis
no
real prairie
sad, can't practice for Birmingham
solid frigate
don't practice like now
4 more months later
bold geode
why am i bad at pokemon?
He's aware
torn parrot
I need a hug
molten oasis
I need an item for hydrei
torn parrot
Choice band
molten oasis
Choice band
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
molten oasis
Why does it have kinda usable attack lmao
zinc totem
Why does it have kinda usable attack lmao
pseudo legendary
hides my goodra under the bed
molten oasis
pseudo legendary
Counter argument
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
molten oasis
That is unusable spa
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
molten oasis
Dammit that’s usable lol
zinc totem
baxcalibur is exception that confirms rule 
molten oasis
uhm, yea lol
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
zinc totem
usable SpA funny enough
molten oasis
Everything else has usable of both attack stats lol
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
zinc totem
ttar is barely there tbf
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
real prairie
a actually usable one though (not Deoxys) ...
zinc totem
garchomp, baxcalibur and ttar are only pseudo-legendaries that has unusable SpA
bold geode
You do realize people used to run Ice Beam Tyranitar
zinc totem
You do realize people used to run Ice Beam Tyranitar
ttar does learn hydro pump too
zinc totem
https://pokepast.es/2fdc7120a00b26d1 need item for hydrei what do
crit item ? 
or sitrus
zinc totem
Uhhh, I mean at this point what other option do I have lmao
well then again im trying make hisui zoroark/flygon team just for fun
molten oasis
zinc totem
https://pokepast.es/2fdc7120a00b26d1 need item for hydrei what do
but all memes to side:
expert belt kinda works with that hyd too, sitrus berry for some regen or crit item to boost crit chanse even if it works better with dragon cheer monm
bold geode
Specs/AV
molten oasis
Scope lens focus energy is a thing
bold geode
Better items
zinc totem
Scope lens focus energy is a thing
that is true
molten oasis
…uhhh, av it is
zinc totem
@molten oasis btw why covert cloak both on ninetalews and hydr
bold geode
Tofu has changed my mind
molten oasis
I don’t wanna go specs rn
zinc totem
…uhhh, av it is
well you need give away tailwind and protect for av
molten oasis
<@465881273454559252> btw why covert cloak both on ninetalews and hydr <a:KEKWDI...
A9 doesn’t get veil long enough
molten oasis
well you need give away tailwind and protect for av
That’s fine tbh
Out of the matches I’ve played with it it gets at most 5 turns of value from veil
molten oasis
molten oasis
Tofu has changed my mind
Of what department?
zinc totem
tw protect snarl d meteor with wide lens actually is insane
molten oasis
That hydrei sucks or it needs coverage?
bold geode
Of what department?
On Hydreigon wanting Specs or AV
Haven't used them but like fighting all the sets, the Specs and AV variants just genuinely feel stronger to go up against
zinc totem
That hydrei sucks or it needs coverage?
you got pretty much coverage on everything tho tera poison would be better i guess more defensively
molten oasis
On Hydreigon wanting Specs or AV
Haven't used them but like fighting all the set...
Gotcha
bold geode
Tera Fire Hydrei
zinc totem
it definetly is good
but i think poison will have single super effective move as rain is dominating still
zinc totem
pretty much yeah
karmic temple
Av heidregon is nice
bold geode
Nah
Hydrei likes to tera without getting weak to Sun
bold geode
Heat wave flash cannon?
EP
molten oasis
Ok
zinc totem
Heat wave flash cannon?
or instead of flash cannon earth power
zinc totem
Nah
Hydrei likes to tera without getting weak to Sun
tbf sun team isnt that strong i dont think
bold geode
Don't know actually
bold geode
You can probably do some calcs if you want
molten oasis
or people just dont run sun teams in 1500elo
I run into sun at 1500
karmic temple
Mine is a little more bulky with some speed
molten oasis
You can probably do some calcs if you want
If im going av might as well
zinc totem
I run into sun at 1500
i run more of pelip archas or psyspams without torkoal
tho doesnt technically hydreigon resist fire already with dragon typing
#overthinking
bold geode
Arch Peli did win VR tour so
torn parrot
or people just dont run sun teams in 1500elo
Peopel run everything in every elo im ngl
It crazy out here
molten oasis
tho doesnt technically hydreigon resist fire already with dragon typing <:Hmmge:...
Whimsi ty
molten oasis
You can’t sit infront of that due to whimsi just murdering you due to fairy coverage
molten oasis
Guys av hydrei can eat moonblast
zinc totem
one of only things that makes a bit harder pilot my azumarill team
molten oasis
From whimsi
zinc totem
Guys av hydrei can eat moonblast
max SpA timid one?
that feels one im running against most
tho i still dont get it why people run 220-252 Speed archaludons
someone explain plz why they do that
molten oasis
252 SpA Whimsicott Moonblast vs. 180 HP / 52 SpD Assault Vest Hydreigon: 160-192 (84.2 - 101%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
That’s crazy lol
zinc totem
252 SpA Whimsicott Moonblast vs. 180 HP / 52 SpD Assault Vest Hydreigon: 160-192...
hah if i gave AV my azu, it can survive without tera electro shot from archa
molten oasis
276 evs left over
And I live, let’s see now
164+ SpA Archaludon Draco Meteor vs. 180 HP / 52 SpD Assault Vest Hydreigon: 152-182 (80 - 95.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
torn parrot
I saw someone playing a literal clodsire at like 1700 something
molten oasis
252 Atk Garchomp Dragon Claw vs. 180 HP / 0 Def Hydreigon: 152-180 (80 - 94.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
torn parrot
They were fucking with bwahacough duking it out
molten oasis
252+ SpA Choice Specs Tera-Steel Gholdengo Make It Rain vs. 180 HP / 52 SpD Assault Vest Hydreigon: 118-140 (62.1 - 73.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Tanky mf
zinc totem
They were fucking with bwahacough duking it out
well yawn is pretty strong in reg H
thats why i am thinking mess around with yawn support umbreon just for shits and giggles
and yes i know slug mon is better for it but hey
torn parrot
I don’t remember the set but yawn sounds right
molten oasis
hm, what should I outspeed on hydrei?
zinc totem
gastrodon with yawn muddy water is pain
torn parrot
hm, what should I outspeed on hydrei?
Gholdengo probably right
zinc totem
hm, what should I outspeed on hydrei?
annihilape
molten oasis
Lemme see
molten oasis
Dengo only 136 max speed modest? Interesting
So if I wanna outspeed max speed jolly ape I need to go max speed hydrei basically and I don’t wanna do that
torn parrot
I’m just so flabbergasted by this fucking bug team
zinc totem
So if I wanna outspeed max speed jolly ape I need to go max speed hydrei basical...
bulkup ape isnt max speed i dont think
molten oasis
Some are actually
zinc totem
oh god, max speed archas and apes are nuts 
molten oasis
Cuz I outspeed extra bulky ape’s rn, I’m also not worried about ape
Basc/amonguss/dengo is my line for that
torn parrot
People don’t plan for a bulk up annilape to be fast af
Works in ots
Very cool
molten oasis
Pretty sure maushold doesn’t eat adaptability wave crash
zinc totem
Pretty sure maushold doesn’t eat adaptability wave crash
unless they go bulky one whhich is a thing too
molten oasis
Mf
zinc totem
but ngl its very funny hisui zoro kinda counters annihilapes
torn parrot
It’s amazing what evs can do
molten oasis
well the maushold has to be crazy tanky
torn parrot
Just assume maushold lives everything tbh
Just cus sash exists
molten oasis
Which also means 0 speed usually, which also means a follow up is ez
zinc totem
Just assume maushold lives everything tbh
Just cus sash exists
yeah sash is good on population bomb carry one but you want safety goggles on beatup one
molten oasis
Just assume maushold lives everything tbh
Just cus sash exists
Pop bomb maushold does not like my amoonguss
(You can guess what it has lol)
zinc totem
Pop bomb maushold does not like my amoonguss
that is true. but pop bomb maushold is still pain deal with cuz people go full offence on maus too
torn parrot
yeah sash is good on population bomb carry one but you want safety goggles on be...
Iv seen like 3 different maushold items
zinc totem
(You can guess what it has lol)
no one likes rocky helmet mons if phys
torn parrot
That’s the thing about people
They can do whatever they want
zinc totem
true but beatup one needs safety goggles beacuse bulkyrona and amoongus
molten oasis
252 Atk Technician Maushold Population Bomb (10 hits) vs. 252 HP / 156+ Def Amoonguss: 180-220 (81.4 - 99.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO I also just naturally eat this lol
torn parrot
true but beatup one needs safety goggles beacuse bulkyrona and amoongus
If every maushold was safety goggles it would make things a lot easier
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
molten oasis
And like, they die after 6 hits lol
timber falcon
252 Atk Technician Maushold Population Bomb (10 hits) vs. 252 HP / 156+ Def Amoo...
woah thats a lot of damage though
timber falcon
oh
torn parrot
Iv sene rocky iv seen sash iv seen safety goggles
It’s a spin the wheel type of situation
So I can’t assume it’s any
on cts
Thwy could also just be wide lens
molten oasis
I’m playing this on CTS to see how it feels
zinc totem
If every maushold was safety goggles it would make things a lot easier
thats true but safety goggles is more for beatup only, other maus needs something elkse
torn parrot
Good luck fam
molten oasis
Hydreigon @ Assault Vest
Ability: Levitate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 180 HP / 12 Def / 212 SpA / 52 SpD / 52 Spe
Timid Nature
- Dark Pulse
- Draco Meteor
- Earth Power
- Heat Wave
Good enough me thinks
Snarl right oops
Half my team is green and purple shinies lol
Alr we climb to 1500 if it gets there with good gxe I go to bo3
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
molten oasis
I just lost to an Avalugg
timber falcon
whats the team ur using?
molten oasis
And then a fucking lantern
torn parrot
what did the avalugg do?
molten oasis
Because the dengo was timid not modest
torn parrot
Trick room avalugg?
timber falcon
And then a fucking lantern
scarf sunny day?
molten oasis
How the hell did the avalugg win tho
Amoonguss got chunked by a braviary and I clicked nasty plot at the wrong time
Also didn’t consider propeller tail
And everything had crunch
solid frigate
and CTS moment right?
torn parrot
And everything had crunch
Okay I get it now
They needed a move to kill gholdengo I suppose
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
torn parrot
That is a big ass defense stat
solid frigate
That is a big ass defense stat
Avalugg is useable
Just need someone to deal with Special Attackers
And you could run AV on it
timber falcon
what moves does gallade normally have?#
torn parrot
Avalugg is useable
Just need someone to deal with Special Attackers
And you co...
I know it’s usable it’s just
Gholdengo is his worst enemy
That’s why I was wondering how it happened
solid frigate
I know it’s usable it’s just
Gholdengo is his worst enemy
Avalugg-Hisui @ Assault Vest
Ability: Strong Jaw
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 172 HP / 80 Atk / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Brave Nature
- Ice Fang
- Body Press
- Crunch
- Rock Slide
Idk man i'm just doing shit
solid frigate
what moves does gallade normally have?#
Sacred Sword,Wide Guard,Protect/Some Coverage Move ig,Trick Room
torn parrot
Strong jaw is pretty rad
solid frigate
Strong jaw is pretty rad
thats the only Ability that is usable-
Ice Body kinda sucks and Sturdy is Horrible for this mon
torn parrot
You can get its special defense stat pretty decent with an av
That’s neat
Actually nah it’s still pretty bad
solid frigate
You can get its special defense stat pretty decent with an av
yeah that makes it a Tanky Boi for 1-2 turns honestly
knotty mirage
Is the grand challenge registry already open ?
solid frigate
for AV+252 SpD
solid frigate
Is the grand challenge registry already open ?
i think so
torn parrot
I could go two ways
zinc totem
i joined it with my azu team,will be interesting how it fares there
knotty mirage
The registration supposedly open at 12 sep
torn parrot
I could skip it and save my mental health
Or play it
zinc totem
The registration supposedly open at 12 sep
i already registered
knotty mirage
Hmm should i just go to online competition and search official competition to register ?
torn parrot
Yeah
knotty mirage
Oh well i do tried that few hours ago and it doesn't work i guess it just open now
torn parrot
A little bit of advice
Don’t play as soon as it starts
That’s when the sweatiest players start
knotty mirage
Oh well i guess i will do it later my switch battery is really low because i desperate hunt for shiny masterpiece sinistcha
knotty mirage
A little bit of advice
Don’t play as soon as it starts
That’s when the sweati...
I might there a reason why i never play ranked ladder on early month
torn parrot
It’s pretty chaotic yeah
knotty mirage
There just too many BS gimmick team and the mind games is just really bad
torn parrot
I’m sort of talking myself out of playing
I’ll only play if I have nothing else to do
I can only fight basculgeion archaludon peliper so many times before I scream into my pillow
solid frigate
that me when i have to play against so much Sneasler
knotty mirage
I can only fight basculgeion archaludon peliper so many times before I scream in...
Fair enough
torn parrot
Every pokemon meta has things that dread
knotty mirage
I think i really don't like facing psyspam or perish trap on this reg
molten oasis
I got led whimsi arma so I thought it was a u-turn wp then lost to spa drops from moonblast
A game which I think I won otherwise
solid frigate
i might remove Incin from my Peli Archa team and add Gengar
knotty mirage
Psyspam is pretty self explanatory and perish trap on closed team sheet is something else
solid frigate
is Gengar only use Sash?
knotty mirage
Probably that's the most common thing on gengar
But i ussualy face gengar that use life orb
torn parrot
I wish gengars were life orb
solid frigate
torn parrot
so that I could one shot them
molten oasis
This ladder sucks
Max speed Tera electric Archaludon like that’s fucking awesome dude
solid frigate
Max speed Tera electric Archaludon like that’s fucking awesome dude
what the fuck is that set-
Stalwart?
molten oasis
Probably
torn parrot
Are you playing on best of 3 atm
molten oasis
No lol
solid frigate
ok thats why
torn parrot
What account u on?
timber falcon
Max speed Tera electric Archaludon like that’s fucking awesome dude
Real
molten oasis
Goggles Tera fire fucking ape, like how do I even beat that
molten oasis
I Give up this is shit
bold geode
Imma play Astro Bot
atomic portal
eduardo cunha 2022 vgc masters world champ is playing me and mayas team on stream
🐝
timber falcon
Just play PRIO TAILWIND
What team are you even using
molten oasis
Does it matter it’s shit
bold geode
Aight time to go play Astro Bot
timber falcon
Does it matter it’s shit
But like is it shit enough it can’t be improved?
solid frigate
timber falcon
I might finally move in from rain
drowsy spear
I’m just so flabbergasted by this fucking bug team
yeah that venonat build is creative, especially for the trick room
timber falcon
Any cool teams that are balance?
molten oasis
Okay here ya go
I’m not gonna be an optimist here cuz I’ve been banging my head against the wall trying to get this team to work
For like 3 weeks
timber falcon
Nine tails and dengo looks like a good start, along with moongus
Not so sure about bask and hydreigon though
molten oasis
molten oasis
Fuck no
timber falcon
For female basc at least I’ve seen it
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/401b754eaca71800 let’s just start with these three cuz harc is shit with these three apparently
timber falcon
Goggles mausape answer needed
molten oasis
WHAT DO YOU THINK BASC WAS FOR
timber falcon
Did it one tap?