competitive_discussion

[mighty stump]

Time to lock in and study

[ember linden]

So tired of psyspam lol

[balmy glen]

then make ur team beat psyspam

[mighty stump]

gg ez

[timber falcon]

any ides on what modes i can run

in games where i contest whimsicott for speed/weather it always goes wrong

so im tryna find a ursa alternative

[balmy glen]

Man it’s so rough hearing everyone tell me how ass I played my top cut match lmao

like I get it 😭

[dull ibex]

Fair

[mighty stump]

Im somewhat relating to this now. Not as bad though

Everyones pretty nice

[chrome knot]

LOL ur getting cooked

[balmy glen]

unfort but ye

[chrome knot]

yippieee

[balmy glen]

man now if i dont perform at baltimore my mental is boutta die after all these dms lmao

i had 5 people go out of their way to dm me to tell me im ass 💀

then the rest are just the comments lul

[chrome knot]

is there replays

[balmy glen]

unfortunately yes

[chrome knot]

can i watch

[balmy glen]

its a pretty embarassing set but ye

dawob posted it on yt

[chrome knot]

and its ur pov o lord

[balmy glen]

mhm

[chrome knot]

ok brb 30

[balmy glen]

lol

[chrome knot]

man

between games 2&3 i think terapagos took more damage from substitute than dmg

[balmy glen]

Game 2 I gave up on lead

but ye I played poorly

got too tired and was too happy with how far I made it

[indigo pulsar]

I've gotta ask, what's a good build for Rotom?

Also, how can I change the form in Scarlet-

[solid frigate]

1.Which Rotom
2.Rotom Catalog

[indigo pulsar]

I'm sorry I'm not normally looking into competitive-
Probably heat?

[solid frigate]

it its Heat then its Overheat,Volt Switch,Nasty Plot/Tera Blast and Protect

Tho im unsure which Tera

[indigo pulsar]

I like the idea of using Overheat/Volt Switch, and I might go Tera Grass since that'll cover it's Rock and Water weakness

Altho that'll open it up to a lot of other weaknesses... So maybe just Tera Fairy

[solid frigate]

go for it,Sure Rotom is Mid rn but i think it work with Grass for Spore and Powder Immunity and Its alright to have Tera Grass as your tera,you dont have to make Rotom a Tera Hog

[velvet helm]

Is Calm Mind/Iron Def. Stored Power abuse still the best Mew set, or is Nasty Plot still viable?

[solid frigate]

is it for singles Smogon cuz Mew was not legal in VGC

and also probably not

[velvet helm]

Yeah; sorry, forgor VGC is a thing (I dont like VGC so i kinda forget about it)

[velvet helm]

probably not in reference to the Stored Power set or NP set?

[solid frigate]

Nasty Plot is better

Stored Power is meh

[velvet helm]

bet, gonna make some changes then

[bold geode]

That kinda sucks, I mean top cutting first Worlds should have pressure lol

[bold geode]

Behold

[mighty stump]

Behold

[solid frigate]

Behold

[bold geode]

I have question for you on team stuff

[chrome knot]

kid named be

[bold geode]

https://pokepast.es/0160c9cf8e926203
I want to replace Sneasler but like
I want a setup Pokemon that'd be good into Gambit and Arch, is that asking too much rn?

[mighty stump]

That’s called Volcarona

[chrome knot]

tofu

[bold geode]

Is Volc actually good into Archaludon rain?

[chrome knot]

new worst conversation between a casual just dropped im sobbing

[bold geode]

I've always felt like Volcarona sucked into rain

[mighty stump]

Meh

I mean ok

[bold geode]

I mean I thought of Ape but

[mighty stump]

Personally I believe something like Kingambit is already good into Rain, and just have something else into the mirror

If you’re really concerned, Any general Fighting type is fine

If you’re in a weird spot trying to condense something like

that

Id rather reshuffle

[bold geode]

Well I thought I had it with Sneasler
Sneasler Buzz Rilla was fine into Arch but somehow just sucks into the Clef Gambito shit

[mighty stump]

Cause either way even a setup Fighting type isnt going yo be breaking Clefable or a Tera-Fairy Archa

[bold geode]

I fucking hate Gengar bro

Basically it's good to know that I just I guess fold to either or, great

Maybe I try Poison STAB on Sneasler

Acrobatics might just be a trap honestly

[mighty stump]

Gengar is real

Wasn’t convinced but I was wrong so Gengar is real

[bold geode]

I doubted it but then Mika fucking WASHED me with it so I can't disrespect it now

[dull ibex]

👀

[mighty stump]

#1211836048611614740

Oh

I see

[chrome knot]

tofu i cannot wait for the balance update that makes lurantis good :/

[mighty stump]

Me waiting for Snorlax to get Wide Guard

[chrome knot]

ngl i cooked by slow as balls garg w/ wide guard last night

i lost so bad last night i told friend we had to play a bo5 daily till louisville

[mighty stump]

I'm back to being in a pretty lost state

[chrome knot]

same idk what to play

psyspam just isnt the call and im worriedddd

[bold geode]

Me waiting for Infernape to get well fucking something

[chrome knot]

LMFAO dont know what he needs but its something!!!

[bold geode]

Just give him something

[chrome knot]

no i agree

[bold geode]

Infernape rn be like

[chrome knot]

its just funny how you worded it

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/help-me-emotional-meme-whastapp-gif-20742704

[mighty stump]

I think it's time to go back to my roots lol

[bold geode]

What are the roots

[dull ibex]

What are your roots

[bold geode]

Also Red shut up I don't wanna talk about what you did

[mighty stump]

Logical pins of course

No more mindgames

No more reads

[bold geode]

Reading is hard

[dull ibex]

Monke is mad I beat him

[bold geode]

Nuh Uh

[mighty stump]

lol

[karmic temple]

What are we liking as a gengar spread for reg h 🤭

[mighty stump]

max max sash

[bold geode]

I'm not angy at Red
I'm angry at the MU

[karmic temple]

Slay no white mochis needed

[dull ibex]

I am the match up

[bold geode]

Your mom

[calm gulch]

monke when he sees me in comp discussion

[dull ibex]

Tell that to the haze

[bold geode]

Red from now on imma refer to you as a group of pandas

[dull ibex]

I got too busy to respond to losers

(I was playing cod with my dad)

[dull ibex]

This is you after losing the Redington matchup

[bold geode]

Nah it was legit the Clefable balance MU

Not discrediting you or anything
But I did a set straight after and yeah that MU is tough

[mighty stump]

Im formulating anti clefable clefable

[bold geode]

Plz do

Also Tofu can I ask you a question in DMs? Need info for a blogpost imma start working on tonight for the big guys if you catch my drift

[dull ibex]

Yeah it's hard to beat

Drago ran through me

[molten oasis]

Anti clefable clefable?

[bold geode]

I mean it's possible
Remember Orlando 2023 that Wolfe had to deal with Gothitelles that were made to beat Gothitelle

[marsh oxide]

What ev spread is generally preferred for Incineroar

[bold geode]

Mono bug is genuinely not good ever

[bold geode]

You can look on Pikalytics, but generally you want a bulky one to increase survivability to maximize the support Incin can give
Sadly there's not really a general preferred one cuz the spreads on it kinda vary quite a bit

That is a horrible Incin spread

[molten oasis]

Fair enough

[marsh oxide]

I was thinking 252hp and 252 speed but seems off

[bold geode]

That's a bit off too unless you're Jolly Incin with Taunt

[chrome knot]

@mighty stump why does PLA feel nostalgic :/

im on it rn so I can setup my save for vgc stuff but like oml lol I missed this game

[molten oasis]

https://x.com/soulsurvgc/status/1830383716126097778?s=46 I’m dying

Jeudy ➡️ Baltimore🐦‍⬛ (@SoulSurVGC) on X

Twitter · Sep 1, 2024, 11:14 PM

[mighty stump]

I'm genuinely depressed

LOL

[chrome knot]

me clicking shadow ball to remove pelipper then repositioning as normal

[chrome knot]

WAH WHY

[mighty stump]

just because

I'm literally trying to think of VGC

and I keep getting haunted by playoffs

[chrome knot]

awh jeez

[mighty stump]

I'm just working on a new form of balance to punish volc as heavily as possible

[chrome knot]

hit it with a rock

would be nice to yknow SEND the link

I cannot even read this

ur movesets are quite awful

[mighty stump]

Is there any particular reason you're running Mono-Bug because if I have to be honest this isn't going to find any success in mid-high level play due to just lack of coherence in the team

Then I don't really have much to say since I only deal with regular stuff

I'd change Stun Spore to Tailwind and keep Sticky Web if you're going to do that.

The risk-reward of Stun Spore just isn't worth it to me.

Probably won't be relevant since when you click Tailwind they're going to be matching.

Or they'll be Pranksters.

[chrome knot]

Vivillon-Icy Snow @ Focus Sash
Ability: Compound Eyes
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
IVs: 0 Atk

• Sleep Powder
• Hurricane
• Tailwind
• Protect

[strange fjord]

If only I had my Butterfree in this gen

[rustic mountain]

pla was really fun. a shame they basically just left it to die w/ 1
"dlc" update

[rustic mountain]

wat happened?

[mighty stump]

I dropped our playoffs game

Threw a turn

There was a clear safe play and I went overly aggressive

[rustic mountain]

ahh shit sorry dude. def gna b a few weeks replaying that unfortunately ive been there

wat in the hell am i lookin at

haha clearly

it says vgc this isnt for ladder is it

[chrome knot]

im havin a blast rn

however I walked to the shaymin side quest spot and got sad bc I forgot which game save I need to have fori t

[rustic mountain]

bdsp i think?

[chrome knot]

i win this fs right?

[rustic mountain]

i dont do mono type teams so cant help u there sorry

[mighty stump]

You'll have difficulty finding anyone able to assist regarding non-relevant formats

I'll reword: non-relevant restrictions.

[rustic mountain]

feel like bug is one of the worst mono types to go with

[molten oasis]

probably just is the worst mono type to go with

[rustic mountain]

fair enough

[rustic mountain]

yea i was thinking that or ice

[molten oasis]

at least ice is good offensively

[bold geode]

Ah I'm leaving at gym leader

[rustic mountain]

gl

[rustic mountain]

run mono monkey

[bold geode]

I forgot to do that for April Fools imma be real

But mainly cuz April Fools was the same day Reg G got announced so

[rustic mountain]

now every1 missing reg g hating reg h

[mighty stump]

@rustic mountain it’s bad that I’m caught between striving for improvement and demotivation from being haunted

[molten oasis]

the format hated the most is the current one

[bold geode]

I do hate Reg H tbh though it's mainly cuz just the way it is lmao

[rustic mountain]

personally id take a little time off. cuz thats jus gna distract u while ur trynna improve currently. jus sit w/ the loss and try nd find other things to occupy u. thats my suggestion i did that myself after ruining an undefeated szn in the playoffs

[mighty stump]

The worst part was

I was also undefeated

[rustic mountain]

yea it fuckin sucks

[mighty stump]

So I broke my win streak and dropped playoffs in one go

I should finish the blog

The demotivation is bad

[rustic mountain]

all apart of the journey tho but yea id say jus dont force urself atm

[mighty stump]

You know that sort of feeling where you force yourself to scramble things together in an attempt to fix things

[rustic mountain]

yea

[mighty stump]

Yea

[rustic mountain]

ur a great player man, gna suck for now but ur gna learn from it and jus get better keep ur head up as best u can

[mighty stump]

Impostor Syndrome:

[rustic mountain]

[mighty stump]

Means a lot

The lost feeling is the worst as well

[rustic mountain]

big time

ik for me it wasnt exactly the same thing but basically i lost 2-0 to not being able to identify a simple adjustment that my restricted was a hinderance (single restricted no dmax)

kept forcing gameplans and lines that were inconsistent and got punished

[balmy glen]

Tofu going through it like I am

[mighty stump]

Dude it’s bad and I feel stupid

[balmy glen]

It’s all good we’ll get our get backs

Although if I do ass in the next tour I take seriously my mental boutta die lmao

[rustic mountain]

y? u did well in the last tour u took serious (worlds)

[balmy glen]

Nah but I did super poorly in my top cut match with like an auto win mu in a sense ig

and people are shit talking me in dms and such lol

[rustic mountain]

ahh gotcha

wtf? thats lame af

[balmy glen]

all random people idek but I don’t doubt a lot of other players are surprised I lost the match though

[rustic mountain]

its a lot of sets and pressure at that point ur going up against the best of the best of the best its good to be critical on urself but u also gotta look overall on how u did and the context like this was ur first szn and look how far u got

not to use it as an excuse but to help balance out being hard on urself cause that shit will take u down a rabbit hole

[solid frigate]

Keanu,Just dont let those people talk shit about you,You literally top 20 in Worlds First Attempt,You already done better than Most of us here

[solid frigate]

Tree there is a reason why Random+Attitude is just sucks

[drowsy atlas]

Yo I need some battle advice for my team My team is dragapult,cinderace,urshifu landorus,porygon z,tornadus it's for singles

[solid frigate]

Sorry this is for Doubles and VGC only

[rustic mountain]

i wouldnt say only but it is the predominant focus of the channel since thats what most of us play

[torn parrot]

Senator Armstrong would kill 10 homelanders

[chrome knot]

Spongebob could take on 300 of them

[viral crown]

what do you guys think of my team for regulation h

[torn parrot]

I think I might be reg H burned out

I played too much

Too many rain teams

[viral crown]

https://pokepast.es/

been having a hard time vs sand

[chrome knot]

this is a blank paste

[viral crown]

oh i thought i put it in there

just a sec

https://pokepast.es/9be7ba4f722ff1ca

[chrome knot]

no defence investment in a body press mon is certainly a choice

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 248: Tyranitar-Mega

Types

Rock/Dark

Abilities

Sand Stream

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/164/150/95/120/71

Total

700

Base Species

Tyranitar

Sableye version 4.28.0

[bold geode]

Every Pokemon vs a billion SpongeBobs, who wins

[zinc totem]

back in 1400 Elo https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2193165317-zawh12m1umy4raez61cbbuma557cf0npw

[chrome knot]

i can smell ur casual

[chrome knot]

the bobs got this tbh

[bold geode]

Yeah
SpongeBob boat

[molten oasis]

Does SpongeBob have toon force?

[bold geode]

I think so

I mean do you watch SpongeBob sir? Mfer made fire in the ocean

And we're talking a billion SpongeBobs

Not just one
A billion

Actually @chrome knot I think the Pokemon win unless SpongeBob can bend reality to not die once Yveltal gets offed

[chrome knot]

spongebob doesnt die bruh

he rips his pants i bet like 300 pokemon die on the spot

[torn parrot]

XD What a great sentence

[bold geode]

Lmao
Is it a physical or special attack here
Can it be Intimidated

[chrome knot]

hard to say

spongebob could get physical and he could also dabble in a few special attacks

[bold geode]

"SpongeBob has Clear Body, get fucked nerd"

[torn parrot]

Witch from mercury is a really good anime

[bold geode]

He has Ability Shield

Or no he has As One

[molten oasis]

If he does have toon force

It’s just joever

Like I think bugs bunny could solo pokemon

Toon force is so powerful

[torpid fossil]

I have a question bros

Its yes bro?

The vgc reg h pokemon showdown it is infinite time?

?

For i tranning

No in battle but time in vcg reg h its infinite time for playing?

[solid frigate]

They literally answeredit

[torpid fossil]

Ok ty so much

But have mode with i can use all pokemon pls similar vgc reg h

Have some?

[solid frigate]

you mean Banning Paradox and Legendary Pokemon ruleset?

[torpid fossil]

Yes

[solid frigate]

nope

unless you wanna count OU

[torpid fossil]

Ok

But have rule of ban paradox and legendarys?

[solid frigate]

outside of Reg A and Reg H,Not really

But honestly deal with it

[torpid fossil]

But OU have all pokemon?

[solid frigate]

they ban based on usage

[torpid fossil]

Ok

[bold geode]

Holy shit crazy

Ayo @chrome knot you know when Baltimore be?

[chrome knot]

2w

next weekend

[torn parrot]

If I had superpowers

I wouldn’t want the power to fly or like lazer beams

I would literally just want quality of life powers

[bold geode]

So not this coming Saturday but next one

[torn parrot]

The power to have clean clothes forever

The ability to be extremely charismatic without trying

The ability to rewind time by 1 minute

So I always win pokemon battles

And make infinite money off tournaments

And win every single worlds

[chrome knot]

yus

[torn parrot]

Man

If I could rewind time

I would literally cheat my way to the world championships

And make so much profit

[bold geode]

Thx
Was gauging time I had for blog post lol

[gentle crag]

dollarmonke has given 1 Gen Rep to setsumizi

[torn parrot]

Thx

[gentle crag]

mayahoppins has given 1 Gen Rep to dollarmonke

[strange fjord]

Opponent: How is she reading my moves?! Its like she knows what I'm going to pick

[torn parrot]

XD EXACTLY

They’d never know
I’m just that good

I just know everything for some reason

How could they prove otherwise

[strange fjord]

beat you by waiting a minute before making my move choice and the animations take too long before its too late to see what happened

actually, i think a minute is still a lot of time

[chrome knot]

or see a minute into the future seems more helpful for cheating lmao

[strange fjord]

sees yourself losing

[chrome knot]

so adjust accordingly

[molten oasis]

I really wish my rng wasn’t abysmal

I’ve missed all my Draco’s today

[knotty briar]

Hey guys, I haven't gone online yet due to dragonite farming
How's reg H treating y'all

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2193221910-qxujv1183q1xjutuz3kohqkcwih8r0vpw

What.

[knotty briar]

Sun boosted heat wave from what I'm assuming is specs h-typhlosion
I'm not surprised

[molten oasis]

Crit by every single thing too

Why does this game hate me today

[knotty briar]

Oof worse luck than a withered up 1 leaf clover...

[solid frigate]

Sun+Blaze+Specs

[knotty briar]

Yup, that tracks

[molten oasis]

And I’m just getting read like a book my team sucks

Into the trash it goes one again

Just play perfect mausape and I auto lose

Oh and I have to break through your fucking Archaludon in the process

[knotty briar]

Yeah that'll do it...

[molten oasis]

This format is ass and I’m genuinely so fucking bad

I hate mausape+archaludon genuinely having 0 weakness, this SUCKS

[knotty briar]

Indeedee armarouge doesn't deal with it?

[molten oasis]

A9 went from feeling fine to being a severe hinderance

Dengo hydrei doesn’t feel any good

Cuz you HAVE to have tailwind

If you don’t you lose, you just lose, or you play through so many uphill battles, this is ass, and I’m trash, guess I’m not playing for a while

Cuz I can’t build anything competent

[strange fjord]

Ghost types dont really care about Body Press or Pop Bomb

[knotty briar]

This should help a bit
252+ SpA Armarouge Expanding Force (120 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Annihilape in Psychic Terrain: 230-272 (105.9 - 125.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Put a sash or scarf on armarouge and ape shouldn't be a problem

[molten oasis]

I’m not even gonna engage further in this

If you know the kinds of teams I play you’d better not suggest me psyspam

Which you don’t so don’t bother

[dull ibex]

vc?

[knotty briar]

Enlighten us so we can help

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/13ee476f0a699953 fine here ya go

[dull ibex]

https://pokepast.es/1f22d38831645e9f ok so it is called offense

no wonder I like this its aggro balance

@solid frigate you mind helping me out?

need a defensive tera on my tauros water is NOT working

[strange fjord]

If you had Blizzard on Icetales do into the Mausape/Arch MU?

might chunk Arch and potentially put it in range for a different Pokemon to KO

[knotty briar]

What's the tauros for, if I may ask?

[molten oasis]

You’re targeting the Tauros of all things?

[dull ibex]

they just asked.

[molten oasis]

Intim anti ape/gambit answer

[dull ibex]

the tauros is really good into mausape and other defiant mons

[knotty briar]

Good to know
Thanks

[dull ibex]

Drago is that working out for you? I found mine needs a defensive tera

[gentle crag]

bman54319 has given 1 Gen Rep to redstonejesus

[molten oasis]

I’ve felt the opposite Tera wise

[dull ibex]

you intimidate them then the mirror herb copies the good boost

[molten oasis]

Water feels like a defensive enough Tera

[dull ibex]

boom and some fairies running around

[knotty briar]

Oh... OHHHHHH
That's magnificent

[molten oasis]

Idk dude when prankster tailwind happens I lose

[dull ibex]

you're welcome

[molten oasis]

There’s too much pressure that I’m just unable to match

[dull ibex]

yeah agree this team isnt bulky enough based on just the ots

[torn parrot]

In the future both your pokemon get full parad

[molten oasis]

I also don’t think tw/tr fits in my team

[dull ibex]

you might benefit from a redirector

[molten oasis]

Which requires dropping a9 cuz I’d be going clefable

[knotty briar]

Just my personal take, have prankster taunt somewhere should be a massive help

[dull ibex]

I don't like a9 here

[molten oasis]

Not against murkrow and while who are FASTER

[chrome knot]

man if he solar blades into typhlo he wins

[molten oasis]

No one will dude, a9’s a weird Mon in the format I’m trying to get it to work

[torn parrot]

Whenever I play without tailwind or trick room I feel like I’m my opponent’s bitch

That’s just my personal experience

[dull ibex]

alright then

[molten oasis]

Snow the ARCHETYPE is ass so I’m just kinda stuck on solo a9

[dull ibex]

then you need a redirector somewhere else to support ghold

I dont think veil is good enough

[molten oasis]

Team gets pretty passive, ugh I’ll just restart man

[dull ibex]

thats a good idea

[knotty briar]

Honestly, it seems like the team should have some more support
But that's just my personal take

[dull ibex]

no it needs better placed support

[strange fjord]

https://pokepast.es/8ca832bb68e6d714
thoughts on what i have so far?
need to test more but i think this is fun rn

[molten oasis]

Idk what to do teams too slow isn’t bulky enough

[dull ibex]

drago randomly adding support just because would make it FAR too passive

[molten oasis]

Falls apart when a single piece dies

A9 dengo hydrei is something that feels fine

[dull ibex]

the struggle of using a meh mon ig

[molten oasis]

That’s what I do

[dull ibex]

kk

[molten oasis]

Did it with zacian and Primarina reg f and g

I’ll figure it out eventually

[knotty briar]

The most I can comfortably recommend is to have a redirector

[molten oasis]

okay

[dull ibex]

https://pokepast.es/6c5414b46d2b3299 tiny tweeks to my team

[molten oasis]

Looks fine ig

[dull ibex]

moved a few items and changed tauros tera

[knotty briar]

The only improvement I can think of is adding taunt to stop farigiraf
Looks pretty good otherwise

[dull ibex]

taunt doesnt fit anywhere

also stop farig from wha?

[knotty briar]

Trick room and helping hand

[dull ibex]

I do not care about trick room tbh

[karmic temple]

Is the clef calc’d for anything specific

[dull ibex]

it sure isnt

[karmic temple]

LMFAO

[dull ibex]

none of this team is calc'd all generalist

[knotty briar]

That's fair

The general "as long as it works"

[dull ibex]

my issue rn is my playing

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9vgc2024regh-2193240002

[solid frigate]

sure

[molten oasis]

Well here’s what I’m going to do, I’m going to look at the cores weaknesses then go from there

[dull ibex]

want tera grass or steel on tauros unsure which

[molten oasis]

I can probably figure smth out that way

[solid frigate]

i mean its up to you

lemme see my tauros

i used Grass

[dull ibex]

screw it works for me

mind doing it?

[solid frigate]

sure lemme join VC cuz i have time probably

[torn parrot]

Byabyabyabayabayabyabya

[nocturne holly]

https://pokepast.es/38064da6676e17b8 thoughts on the last slots? Don’t wanna make it fully tr but also I feel like gambit just is so good into this

[zinc totem]

https://pokepast.es/e56da75e33e24b73 any ideas what would round this team nicely? i've tried amoongus which basically sits useless mostly, helps with dodonzo but thats is role, rillaboom was okay but double fakeout is indeedee/fari countered mostly. so if there is ideas round it up as last mon, im listening

[nocturne holly]

I can see dengo on this tbh

Or honestly maus too

[zinc totem]

yeah but dodonzo will be problem in both

and dodonzo EQ has field day

[nocturne holly]

Clefable

[zinc totem]

what clefable does that would help against dozo?

unaware makes clefable itself ignore stat changes not partner

then again moonblast unaware clefable does damage

[nocturne holly]

It gets follow me

[solid frigate]

pair with Safety Goggles

[zinc totem]

cuz i see rn for team 2 problems: if i choose mons like dengo or some other offensive type, dozo is problem but if i go more defensive mon archa will steam roll

unless i go haze hisui decidueye but i have no way get it and i would double up on grass type so its also not so good

tho clefable does sound interesting

but would set be moonblast, protect, follow me and life dew??

[zinc totem]

wait incine has safety goggles

sitrus berry on clefable?

[nocturne holly]

Thoughts?

[zinc totem]

rhyperior would be pretty nice there tbf or excadrill

[viral crown]

https://pokepast.es/8e118b0d472d4b61

what do yall think of my team for reg h

i have a hard time vs sand

[timber falcon]

any gameplans?

[nocturne holly]

Well it’s supposed to be set up dengo balance

I think incin is good on this but I still give gambit a free boost

Gambit feasts on the team

[zinc totem]

how about aqua paldea tauros intimidate mirror herb tech?

or fire tauros

[nocturne holly]

Blursa+fari is a tr mode which ttar also benefits from

[timber falcon]

then youd need fake out/follow me for starters right?

or a safe means of setting up

[nocturne holly]

Yea thinking of incin

Or actually rilla+mirror herb Taurus tech

[timber falcon]

but then you overlap 3 fighting weakness and 3 ground

[nocturne holly]

Yeah

damn bro

I like ttar fari blursa

But idk about dengo

[timber falcon]

drop it tbh

[nocturne holly]

I want a set up in that slot

[zinc totem]

SD gachomp

[timber falcon]

excadril can work too for sd

heck overcoat kommo-o

[zinc totem]

or weakness policy rhyperior

[nocturne holly]

Actually yea either chomp or kommoo I don’t mind

Then I could do like clefaory or clefable for redirection

[timber falcon]

i vote kommo-o

[nocturne holly]

Then rilla

I haven’t tried idbp kommo yet

[zinc totem]

definetly kommo-o

[nocturne holly]

I’ll test both

[zinc totem]

you only need one souls and ur good to go

[timber falcon]

BP or scales though?

[nocturne holly]

I think kommo is better on that slot

[timber falcon]

on kommo-o

[nocturne holly]

Idbp

Clanging scales is very disappointing damage

[zinc totem]

for me im still struggling finish last slot

[timber falcon]

ive tried BP kommo-o this reg and being honest idk about it. Sinistcha really helps scales

[zinc totem]

and i get 1shots after one boost

hits 2 targets

[timber falcon]

defence drop isnt that fun

[nocturne holly]

Oooh sinistcha could be cool

[zinc totem]

true but def drop doesnt matter if you 1 shot everything

[timber falcon]

very nice combo. Its a team ill finish working on after i master rain

though im considering just clef cause of tr and heal pulse possibility

[nocturne holly]

Figure out kommoo set later https://pokepast.es/2a7064443db28c8f but uhhh

I want fo

And redirection

[timber falcon]

rilla passive healing + grass type

[nocturne holly]

Clef+rilla

[timber falcon]

yeah

[nocturne holly]

Aight bet thx

[timber falcon]

np

[nocturne holly]

Anyone have a idbp kommo set or a clefable set?

[woven hinge]

cetitan’s secret ability is sheer force, right?

if so, then if you give it a life orb then it’s good

[foggy lodge]

Define good

[woven hinge]

idk

[foggy lodge]

cuz honestly even with sheer force + life orb is pretty bad

[woven hinge]

yeah

i just thought of it because i was thinking about feraligatr

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/lorcylovesyou/status/1830584334556045350?t=LMoNG2YOFfhtmU3M6N8riQ&s=19

Lorcy (@lorcylovesyou) on X

When you play against hard trick room and the Gallade goes for Tera normal hyper voice with helping hand turn 1 and kos both your pokemon

Twitter · Sep 2, 2024, 12:31 PM

[timber falcon]

damage wise not really, but im betting the movepool/evs suck

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 975: Cetitan

Type

Ice

Abilities

Thick Fat, Slush Rush, Sheer Force (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

170/113/65/45/55/73

Total

521

Sableye version 4.28.0

[nocturne holly]

Wow terrible

Sp def but veil could help

And then a9 slush rush

[solid frigate]

its alright honestly

[tiny karma]

Cetitan's moveset:

Physical Moves

Avalanche, Body Press, Body Slam, Bounce, Bulldoze, Double-Edge, Earthquake, Facade, Flail, Giga Impact, Hard Press, Heavy Slam, High Horsepower, Ice Fang, Ice Punch, Ice Shard, Ice Spinner, Icicle Crash, Icicle Spear, Knock Off, Liquidation, Play Rough, Stomping Tantrum, Superpower, Tackle, Take Down

Special Moves

Blizzard, Chilling Water, Echoed Voice, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Ice Beam, Icy Wind, Powder Snow, Tera Blast, Water Pulse

Status Moves

Amnesia, Belly Drum, Charm, Curse, Endure, Entrainment, Growl, Helping Hand, Protect, Rain Dance, Rest, Sleep Talk, Snowscape, Substitute, Yawn

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Cetitan.

Sableye version 4.28.0

[timber falcon]

only works in snow

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 645: Landorus

Types

Ground/Flying

Abilities

Sand Force, Sheer Force (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

89/125/90/115/80/101

Total

600

Other Formes

Landorus-Therian

Sableye version 4.28.0

[nocturne holly]

Yea

113 atk is kinda disappointing

[solid frigate]

Like Hell Lando has 115 as well so 113 is alright for Cetitan

[timber falcon]

and with sheer force the speed is awkward

[nocturne holly]

Maybe throw a band on it or something

Slush rush wise

Would av work on it

With such a low sp def stat

[timber falcon]

lando had earthpower, a relatively fast mon with earth power has more value that icicle crash

[solid frigate]

2 words Trick Room

I mean its not a good TR mon but you can invest on Bulk and bit of Attack

[timber falcon]

but like what will it do

strong ice moves dont help much this reg

[solid frigate]

i mean its better than nothing like you at least prevent Dengo to one shot you once you get your tera

[solid frigate]

is it? like i can see some use Cases

BM Ursa,Meowscarada,Rillaboom

[nocturne holly]

https://pokepast.es/148899d9c278fa03

[timber falcon]

point is there are much better options to deal with those threats

also both arch and dengo are at large

[solid frigate]

i just saying if he really wants to run cetitan they can do that

[timber falcon]

well yeah everything has a use

[zinc totem]

god why dodonzo must exists

it makes harder make team deal with both dodo and archa

[foggy lodge]

haze should work for both

[nocturne holly]

Holy fuck bro how many turns does freeze last

[timber falcon]

its like some raid boss you encounter after a few battles

[foggy lodge]

random lol

[nocturne holly]

5 turn freeze literally won them the game

[zinc totem]

https://pokepast.es/e56da75e33e24b73 yeah but if i go offensive, dodonzo will walk over me, if i go defensive archa steamrolls

[nocturne holly]

Fucking stupid

[zinc totem]

definetly

[timber falcon]

20% every turn?

[nocturne holly]

Wdym

[foggy lodge]

1/5 chances of unfreezing

[nocturne holly]

20% chance to thaw out?

[timber falcon]

sadly

[nocturne holly]

Holy shit bro

That’s fucking crazy

[timber falcon]

good thing theres no 100% to freeze

[nocturne holly]

first turn blizzard fucked me up

[zinc totem]

like im so close for team to do well. already got into 1400 elo

[nocturne holly]

It wasn’t even guaranteed to hit it was in sand

and then frozen for 5 turns

[timber falcon]

ouch

[foggy lodge]

my record in showdown was 1400 in bo3 reg G ladder

Sadge

[zinc totem]

just need for last slot something that helps with dozo but also doesnt make team weaker for archa

[timber falcon]

hit 1600 in Bo1 reg G and legit couldnt advance

[timber falcon]

paste of team?

[foggy lodge]

Happens

[zinc totem]

5th paste in last 5minutes https://pokepast.es/e56da75e33e24b73

[timber falcon]

explanation for incin?

[foggy lodge]

I only play bo1 when im playing a new team and just want to know how to use it

tbh i think Inci needs AV in this meta

[zinc totem]

incineroar basically helps fake out stop opponent support mons or offensive mons moving, incine + meow + azu takes care of psyspam, will-o-wisp helps against annihilape/kingambit and other phys mons, helping also weakening body press from archa

[timber falcon]

why azumaril, technically couldnt u run unaware dozo

[zinc totem]

its early pessure is big and hits annihilape both sides fire tera and without tera

[timber falcon]

ic

[zinc totem]

and azu flex in and out of tr

[timber falcon]

i mean if the first 5 works fine you can slap anything in for dozo no?

and see how it goes

[zinc totem]

yea but if i slapo in for dozo, archaludon comes

thats the problem

[timber falcon]

amongus

[zinc totem]

i tried amoongus but either it does nothing and is dead weight or just dies

or taunt mons just screw over

[timber falcon]

gengar

maybe something with perish song idk

wheezing? idk there are tons of ways

[zinc totem]

wheezing was one of things i considered but neutralizing gaz kinda screws over my azumarill and meow i also did consider swift swim overqwil but the move pool it gets kinda wont be doing any favors. but if i could run haze and focus blast on gengar, it could work

but i need make pelipper bulky so i can give gengar sash to work

[timber falcon]

maybe u brute force it.

archaludon is there afterall

[zinc totem]

yeah tera grass dodonzo is main problem

tera steel is dealable

i did consider try fit in sneasler for make sure archaludon goes down and dire claw does help with grass dozo

also kommo-o was something i was considering

but that would make me try brute force unaware dodonzo

into submissions

hizui decidueye also was something to consider but then i need swap meowscarada out for something else also i need find way get hizui decidu in first place

well gonna try sleep on it. Gnight 4am x_x

[nocturne holly]

Idbp kommo is actually so fun

[molten oasis]

Ok guys

https://pokepast.es/df13405ab0b00ac8 looking for a 5th and a 6th here, thoughts?

[foggy lodge]

Rillaboom

[zinc totem]

Rillaboom and haze palafin could be something interesting or ice type to take advantage of snow

[molten oasis]

Palafin is kinda meh

[zinc totem]

How about hisui decidueye?

[viral crown]

https://pokepast.es/8e118b0d472d4b61 looking for a way to beat sand. suggestions?

[molten oasis]

Doesn’t really fit this kind of team, I don’t need haze I have something in mind

[solid frigate]

this team is alright on beating Sand

You have mausape

and Hoodra

[zinc totem]

For me i wonder if i should try haze deci https://pokepast.es/e56da75e33e24b73 in this team but i feel that doubling up with grass is bad idea in team thats already has 2 water type

[viral crown]

hmm i still have a hard time vs dozogiri and sand

how should i play vs sand

[solid frigate]

lead Hoodra or at least bring it

[viral crown]

dont they just earthquake it

then attack the other slot

body press dosent do much to it

[zinc totem]

Acid armor/shelter gives it a lot of bulk

[viral crown]

what about low kick ttar

[zinc totem]

And heavy slam..exists too also sand teams run rock/steel so body press does nice stuff

[zinc totem]

You got ape

[viral crown]

so i should fight with ape and goodra to start

[zinc totem]

Ape maus beacuse beat up

Rage fist is insane damage

And you can follow me redirect any attacks after

[viral crown]

don't they just tera ground earthquake and that kills

[zinc totem]

Friend guard keeps ape bulky

[viral crown]

should i rage fist drill or tar

[zinc totem]

Drill

If they dont tera t-tar ape hits it drain punch

If they tera t-tar, rage fist kills

[viral crown]

okay thank you so much yall

what about dozogiri

[zinc totem]

Dozo needs haze mostly to be countered but hisui goodra walls it nicely and if you just double dozo eventually go dowm

@viral crown change populatiom bomb on maus to beat up btw

Its free 250 rage fist

[viral crown]

i have beat up already

thanks for the suggestion

[zinc totem]

Willowisp also weakens dozo physical attacks

[viral crown]

thank you so much for helping me

[solid frigate]

also yeah that team wasn't too bad,no need to optimise even further yet

[viral crown]

thank you

[solid frigate]

the only problem i can see is that you really need to understand the opponent's gameplan and placement on your pokemon

otherwise,the EVs does not look so bad

and Moveset

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/3d499fa7096ed25f thoughts/comments/concerns?

[solid frigate]

i like the Gastrodoon's Inclusion

And it make sense

[knotty briar]

Ayo this is lookin niiiiiiice

I'd personally use AV over miracle seed, but it still looks good!

[mighty stump]

Could consider Heat Wave

[molten oasis]

Just for spread? I though ep would be nice for Archa

[mighty stump]

I can see that

Draco does chunk though

you can probably kill it with Draco + SBall since EP is a 2HKO anyways

[molten oasis]

That’s true

I’ll test out both, spread would be nice

Plus it lets me hit whims, which otherwise is a major pain for it

[mighty stump]

Also just think about the numbers

Technically

the first Draco does do more

than an EP

[molten oasis]

That is true

Lemme check smth, I bet 2 Draco’s kills

[mighty stump]

130x1.5 is more than 90x2

EP is just nice when you need to keep following up with damage

But DPulse + Draco does the same as well

[molten oasis]

252+ SpA Life Orb Hydreigon Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 68 SpD Assault Vest Archaludon: 133-156 (67.5 - 79.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO easily lmao

I would need 2 Draco’s tho, dark pulse is barely not enough

Ty btw

[foggy lodge]

What do you think about Rocky helmet Gastrodon?

[molten oasis]

Why?

[foggy lodge]

I was thinking about it for Body press Archa

Maybe its redundant cuz Gastrodon is already good into Archa but eh

[mighty stump]

No I meant Dark Pulse + Draco

[dull ibex]

hello everyone

[solid frigate]

hoi

[kindred cypress]

Why miracle seed over assault vest? Kinda curious

[bold geode]

Weegeecee?

[dull ibex]

if its more then just us ill vc

if we can get tofu or drago ill be on a for a little bit

[mighty stump]

i can join for a little bit

[molten oasis]

OH gotcha

I can also join in a little bit

[molten oasis]

Damage

[whole ibex]

May I join?

[zealous falcon]

Im confused, smogon says my bisharp should be have Knock Off as a move but the database says it doesn't learn that move at all anywhere in SwSh and SV

Am i missing something

[mighty stump]

Cause Smogon isn't meant for VGC information

Most of their information is in relation to their own tiered formats

[zealous falcon]

If i take my bisharp to a past gen game where it can learn knock off then move it to gen 8 or 9 via pokemon home will it be able to use the move then?

[mighty stump]

Nope

[zealous falcon]

Oh

Whats a good substitute for it? My bisharp is Atk and Spe trained and has swords dance, iron head and sucker punch

[mighty stump]

Why are you using Bisharp?

Kingambit has essentially equivalent stats with the ability to hold an actual item

[zealous falcon]

Its for sword and shield

[mighty stump]

Assurance then.

[zealous falcon]

Ty

[molten oasis]

bo3, lost to a fucking stonejourner

cuz everything was faster than me again

[balmy glen]

xd

[molten oasis]

and tr apparently

WHY CANT I BEAT PEOPLE WITH SPEED CONTROL

[balmy glen]

Because you lack speed control?

or mons that help it ig

[molten oasis]

idt i can really fit speed control

best i have is icy wind

https://pokepast.es/24a244d6e5f47412 idc about the other 3, first 3 stay i think they work well together

i just cant beat tailwind, tr is more due to me playing like an idiot into a ttar, and not having a fighting type sucks

that and like, things just generally being faster than everything (except a9) is getting annoying

[balmy glen]

Why is everyone using U-turn on rillaboom instead of protect

[mighty stump]

Habit probably

[molten oasis]

is protect better?

im not against trying protect i've barely clicked u-turn with miracle rilla

im also sick of feeling unable to beat tw teams

[balmy glen]

Yes lol

Protect is like the most broken move in the game

[molten oasis]

true, with no shifu around especially

[balmy glen]

Your not pivoting as much with miracle seed

[molten oasis]

yea

i'll try it out

do miracle seed rilla run any bulk?

i kinda just hit 3rd bump then hit 124 to outspeed jolly incins and shoved the rest into hp, idk what the spD is doing

[balmy glen]

no I barely have any bulk

[molten oasis]

ok

does the team look ok? ik a9's weird, i think its fine where it is rn tho

[torn parrot]

If you don’t have it I guess you gotta be bulkier like you said

Well

I guess your team is pretty bulky ngl

I like having at least one form of big boy speed control on my teams

Other wise I feel hopeless

Maybe gastro is replaceable with something like that?

Or maybe you could change the hydreigon build

And give it tailwind

[molten oasis]

I don’t have a line, i have to figure that out

And half the time it’s what’s in the back that gets me

With Ty whims harc+smth lead usually works pretty well but then the thing in the back screws me

[torn parrot]

That makes sense

The tailwind goes up and then the back guys sweep

[mighty stump]

I hit 125 on purpose for people like u

HAHAHA

Also Miracle Seed Boom takes like no hits

[mighty stump]

You can just get rid of H-Arc for something like TFlame as well

[molten oasis]

I like harc tho

I don’t feel like the answer to tw is adding tw, ik I could do that easily I just, idk

[molten oasis]

I do the same thing, my harc does that

[mighty stump]

Why wouldn’t the answer to lack of speed control, speed control?

[molten oasis]

I don’t wanna speed tie it lol

[molten oasis]

I think talon could feel clunky ig? Idk

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 663: Talonflame

Types

Fire/Flying

Abilities

Flame Body, Gale Wings (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

78/81/71/74/69/126

Total

499

Sableye version 4.28.0

[molten oasis]

Like yea I can see that being perfectly fine into ty whimsi stuff

[mighty stump]

Whimsi, Murkrow

[molten oasis]

I also feel like that’s answered with harc

Where would krow go

Whimsi would be over rilla, i think

…idk, I could easily be overthinking things

I just haven’t found tw setter+a9 to ever feel good, it’s either clunky or just feels bad

It felt okay once but it put me into too passive of positions about of the time

Cuz there were games I felt like I needed both

I’m probably overthinking things

I do agree adding tw would help, I am genuinely scared of adding it due to how it’s been in the past

[vagrant crown]

What ygs think for this build

Its for my shiny ninetales in shield

[molten oasis]

I also haven’t found mausape/Archa rain like at all so idk how those mu’s are but idt my mu into, mostly mausape is good

And I feel like I’m not covering enough, a9 dengo hydrei feels fine and I like harc, idk about the other 2

[torn parrot]

That’s weird

I see that shit so much…

[molten oasis]

So much to consider with only 3 slots really

Cuz I don’t wanna replace the main 3

https://tenor.com/view/confusion-confused-look-questions-why-why-me-gif-17660966

[torn parrot]

Ninetales is part of the main 3?

[molten oasis]

yes

finishes fantasy core, supports hydrei and dengo pretty well

[solid frigate]

isn’t that like expected from Drago

[molten oasis]

weather control keeps rain under control

(lets dengo do its job a little better)

[torn parrot]

It is nice to turn off weather

[molten oasis]

not sure what you expected from me lol, a9 is what i want to make work this is the closest i've gotten

othewise im kinda not super interested in anything

[solid frigate]

it’s literally expected from him at this point

[molten oasis]

a9 notably helps A LOT into opposing hydreigon

which dengo/my hydrei dont really like seeing

[torn parrot]

Quiver dance Frosmoth ninetales has been a weird annoyance lately

[molten oasis]

and i've found harc to be great for intimidate/wisp support for gambit/other physical attackers and ty whimsi mu

[molten oasis]

not trying to go for snow as an archetype

[torn parrot]

Ye I feel ya

[molten oasis]

idt frosmoth is very good, id rather have volc, and i think snow as the archetype is kinda shit

...idt this is gonna get solved for a while, all i can do is test stuff ig

[torn parrot]

Well their whole strategy is they quiver dance for blizzards

[molten oasis]

then a ttar shows up and it dies

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 873: Frosmoth

Types

Ice/Bug

Abilities

Shield Dust, Ice Scales (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

70/65/60/125/90/65

Total

475

Sableye version 4.28.0

[torn parrot]

Yeah it doesn’t work awesome when the other team has weather

[mighty stump]

Doesn’t this just apply to your team

[molten oasis]

...yes

mu into ttar feels pretty bad rn as well

no fighting type hurts

[solid frigate]

isn’t that Ttar runs Tera Flying as well?

Might as well captialise Dengo

[knotty mirage]

Does anyone know how many speed EV needed for scarf dhengo to outspeed everything on reg H ?

[molten oasis]

that was my thought, i fought a ttar team that dengo was technically fine in i just didn't bring it

and never broke through ttar g2 and 3

[torn parrot]

I think it has to be timid max speed to do that

[solid frigate]

yeah you have to bring Dengo if it against Sand

[molten oasis]

rn i do

when i was using tauros i didn't

damn tofu really said "youre team sucks into ttar anyway" and dipped lol

[knotty mirage]

Oh damn how about to just outspeed dragapult

[solid frigate]

also i think i saw Fire Tauros pair with Indeedee in Cart when i tried my Peli Archa Chomp Team and

[knotty mirage]

Really want to makes bulky scarf dhengo

[solid frigate]

Im sorry what

[torn parrot]

Yeah that’s the one that timid is needed for

[molten oasis]

204 timid speed creeps pult

with scarf

[knotty mirage]

204 speed EV alright then

[molten oasis]

...idk what to do

i dont wanna drop this cuz i think it does work ok

but i also havent been able to find that piece that works and idk where to even start with it

tough puzzle

https://pokepast.es/64456c6c4235a5a6 if i start from these 4 is there anything that immediately pops up that could help with, tw/ttar?

[knotty mirage]

Will this work ?
Gholdengo @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Good as gold
Level: 50
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 52 HP / 252 Spa / 204 Spe
Timid Nature

• Make it rain
• Shadow ball
• Power gem
• Trick

[molten oasis]

looks fine

[knotty mirage]

Ah alright then

[molten oasis]

tbf, i cant make a team good into everything, just doable mostly

i feel like i keep forgetting teams have weaknesses to stuff and thats perfectly normal

[mighty stump]

At worst it should be a 40/60

and just decided whether or not certain weaknesses are too big to ignore

[molten oasis]

noted

i'll go scroll the builder for ideas ig

[molten oasis]

why does kingambit get thunder wave lmao

maybe rotom wash, bulky, hits decetly hard, access to thunderwave and electric coverage is nice

[solid frigate]

ask gamefreak lol

[solid frigate]

https://youtu.be/VW9IZCOUmR0?si=RRlnRRcoJEQ1VL-G

[molten oasis]

1-5

in 15 minutes

[solid frigate]

?

[molten oasis]

5 losses in a row in 15 minutes

[vagrant crown]

What item is good to give ninetales

[molten oasis]

wow volcarona next to anything good enough to weaken harc is pretty much a loss

[mighty stump]

How the fuck

[molten oasis]

cts cheese was like, a minute, i failed to lead correctly into volc gambit shit 3 times, then lost to dozo

and theres the fast taunt user

its fine

slowly identifying poorer mu's at least

kingambit/volc/ttar being the main contenders

heci might be as well

:/

can i get a genuine answer as to why i keep running into surf fucking pelipper

cuz i totally won a game i had in the bag otherwise

[zinc totem]

I wonder if heci would fit this team https://pokepast.es/e56da75e33e24b73

[molten oasis]

to add insult to injury i got crit by a grasssy glide

[zinc totem]

Genuine answer: people play super weird stuff

I run into soak scarf pelipper a lot lately

[molten oasis]

i need fighting coverage

and a better way to handle heci, like i cant beat it

i just cant beat av gambit either

core feels fine, i think gastro feels pretty terrible

rilla idk about yet, sick of losing to tw

fuck it support flamigo

https://pokepast.es/5e07f8578de29f68 boom 3 in 1

i have encore and wisp i'll figure out how to beat dozo

rather that than have no way to handle gambits

lets try again tomorrow, this ladder sucks, im playing like shit, this team feels like trash, idk man

[mighty stump]

Send a paste, please.

[opal dome]

oh ok i guess i cant send that

like a showdown link?

[opal dome]

This is my first attempt of making a competetive team, the missing evs and 1 pokemon is things i didnt know what to include.
What do you guys think about the team?
https://pokepast.es/92f6758437cbb9e6

its at the bottom found it

[mighty stump]

This is for doubles OU?

[opal dome]

ye

i mean there are ubers

[chrome knot]

https://tenor.com/view/nileseyy-niles-peace-out-disappear-meme-disappearing-guy-checking-out-gif-25558985

[mighty stump]

Since when did DOU allow Miraidon

[opal dome]

can i use it in the pokemon games?

is what im asking

[chrome knot]

no..?

[mighty stump]

Are you sure you mean to play Doubles OU or are you intending to play in the official Ranked ladder

Which is VGC

Like, in-game

[opal dome]

poke portal -> battle stadium -> ranked battles

oh ogerpon miraidon is banned

[chrome knot]

ok so that’d be VGC Regulation H on the tiers

mhmm

[opal dome]

how do i make a team in showdown following VGC Regulation H rules?

found it

[zinc totem]

@mighty stump what is general evs for hisui haze decidueye?

[mighty stump]

I just run max max lol

like spe atk

[opal dome]

ok so VGC Regulation H is pretty much the ruleset when the game came out but with added dlc dex pokemon

or im looking at it wrong

[zinc totem]

okay thanks. Feels weird run 2 grass and 2 water type in same team ngl

[gentle crag]

exzlu has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[zinc totem]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2193615981 seems doing somewhat well atleast

[ornate forge]

i switched to hisuin decidueye as well

[mighty stump]

Why the hell is Dragapult dclaw

[ornate forge]

mainly because of dondozo

[zinc totem]

no idea

and this is like 1400-1500 elo

[mighty stump]

Well your opponent is 1300s ig

[zinc totem]

https://pokepast.es/44fa8a6153bc9867 but what do you think of team Tofu?

hisui deci is also mainly for dozo BUT it also doesnt make my team steamrolled by Archaludon

[mighty stump]

Uhm, probably fine. You kinda want crit item on Decidueye.

[zinc totem]

which mon you think i should change there ?

i feel like need one more pokemon swap and i might have for the team strong going

[knotty mirage]

Should i give quaqaval clear amulet or focus sash which one is better ?

[mighty stump]

Just go through what matchups you're struggling with in particular and go from there

[mighty stump]

Probaly Clear Am.

[zinc totem]

well my main matchup were dodonzo and archa which hisui decidu takes care of now

[mighty stump]

Are you comfortable against Clef Balance

[zinc totem]

if i went offensive choise i lost dodonzo if i went defensive archa rolled over

[zinc totem]

i am

[knotty mirage]

Okay then even tho i'm kinda skeptical with quaqaval survivability

[zinc totem]

archaludon and azumarill actually are key mons with that and meowscarada with its flower trick does help aswell

[zinc totem]

yoiu can go follow me mon with it and use bulk up

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2193621311 endeavor kilowattrel

[mighty stump]

Okay, but whats the point of a set-up sweeper that cant get going if you get spammed by Intim

SD + Aqua Step can tempo well

[knotty mirage]

Fair points it just i don't really see incin as much as last reg and i think defiant should be good enough to discourage them for sending out incin at all

[mighty stump]

Mirror Herb Tauros be like:

Yum yum free x2 boost

[knotty mirage]

Maybe competitive milotic is good idea to use after all

[zinc totem]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2193627205-6mdvut7sj8w6uh4ys8rjr4jb8iyf2g0pw He ragequitted!!!! 🤣

[zinc totem]

definetly is

[zinc totem]

oh yes this team took me 1500 Elo but then i fell cuz i experimented

tauros is excellent screen counter

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-car-glass-jason-mantzoukas-adrian-pimento-andy-samberg-jake-peralta-gif-16365715

[opal dome]

https://pokepast.es/023e9d00c6f55c16 what could be a good trick room setter for this team?

i originally wanted a maushold and Annihilape combo but after i made the rest of the team it was super slow so i changed it to trick room

[zinc totem]

farigiraf, porygon2, indeedee

i think meowstic M can also setup trickroom as prankster option but idont know if trickroom works with prankster

[ornate forge]

not really

its still - priority

[opal dome]

tried out with porygon2 and i double paralysed someone and he forfeited

[ornate forge]

but yeah farigiraf porygon 2

indeedee

[opal dome]

how many evs i need to put into def to survive rillabum grassy glide? with the berry

it one shotted me :/

[ornate forge]

there are other options but those are the best

it one shot you with the berry?

[mighty stump]

It's not really worth it to do something like that lol

Defensive investments at the cost of offense and not being able to alter the board state significantly enough to make a difference just isn't worth it

You have to be realistic with your EV usage.

[opal dome]

im new to this man 😭

[zinc totem]

Azumarill @ Clear Amulet
Ability: Huge Power
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 228 HP / 156 Atk / 4 Def / 4 SpD / 116 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Liquidation
• Play Rough
• Ice Spinner
• Protect

if you want more bulk spread

but mine is made spesifically work in and out tr

[opal dome]

i think indeedee speaks to me here

psychic terrain negates priority moves? i heard something like that

[ornate forge]

yeah it does

[zinc totem]

yes but also farigiraf armor tail negates priorities

[ornate forge]

so does farigiraf

[zinc totem]

psychic terrain negates both player priorities while armor tail only opponent side

[opal dome]

armor tail user with trick room exists?

[ornate forge]

yeah farigiraf

[opal dome]

or its an item

[zinc totem]

farigiraf

https://tenor.com/view/farigiraf-pokemon-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-giraffe-girafarig-gif-26879243

[opal dome]

https://pokepast.es/efeb7adeb8b8ba2d thats what i built with farigiraf

[mighty stump]

That's why I'm pointing it out.
Looking at the rest of the team:

• You should run Taunt over Encore on Maushold since you're running a slower Maushold.
• Hydreigon really shouldn't be played with a -ve Spe nature and no speed investment. It's not meant for Trick Room.
• Tera Blast over Moonblast so you have the option to Tera and alter your coverage while retaining Single-target STAB. Nature should be +SpA boosting like Modest.
• Breloom isn't meant to be bulky. You're not going to get great mileage out of Rocky Helmet in this scenario.
• Azumarill set has been spoken of.

Lack of Protect on Breloom and Hydreigon is going to make it difficult to position against Fake Out.

[opal dome]

im thinking about switching maushold with incin maybe

[mighty stump]

Please keep in mind how your team is going to interact with the metagame. It can potentially be non-productive by constantly swapping in pieces without real intent

Ally Switch should be replaced with Hyper Voice, Psychic Noise over Psychic

Items include Sitrus Berry, Mental Herb

[opal dome]

oh i didnt give them an item oops

[mighty stump]

And a better candidate for Rocky Helmet.

[zinc totem]

@opal dome

this is fari what i've used for

Farigiraf (F) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Armor Tail
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 180 HP / 236 Def / 92 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Trick Room
• Protect
• Helping Hand
• Hyper Voice

to work with rocky helmet but not being too squishy on SpD side. you can replace Helping hand with Psychic Noise which is better in reg H over helping hand i think

tho im definetly going use differend tera like fire or something else that doesnt get shred by rillaboom and such

and mine isnt perfect fari but its been working for me

[opal dome]

i built breelum bulky so it can support and give pressure if ignored with swords dance but rocky helmet was just a guess

[mighty stump]

I don't expect it to be able to realistically execute the plan but if you want to give it a shot, be my guest.

[zinc totem]

there is way more better mons for that

[opal dome]

example

[zinc totem]

heck you could just go bulk up annihilape with maus

and would do better job

[zinc totem]

kingambit is good example , hisui decidueye (this is im unsure yet), gallade

[opal dome]

https://pokepast.es/2811b84aa4522b6a ill test this team with a couple of battles and tell what happened

fuck i forgot i cant spore gholdengo great start

indeedee murkrow is crazy

welp it doesnt work

ill take a break dont wanna discourage myself

[zinc totem]

@mighty stump does archa want modest or calm nature? if it runs AV? i wanna make sure i got right one x3

[molten oasis]

Flamigo is, not terrible lol

[zinc totem]

flamigo is insanely annoying with alolan muk

[mighty stump]

Preference, really.

[zinc totem]

okay i got 164 SpA evs so i go modest then

also is it also preference have knock off or sucker punch on meowscarada if its banded?

cuz i might consider giving knock off to meowscarada instead of sucker punch and aqua jet on azu instead of ice spinner

[mighty stump]

Also preference. Sucker Punch is obviously nice to have

[zinc totem]

yeah definetly

[zinc totem]

cuz rn my banded meow is flower trick, u-turn, triple axel and sucker punch

but i saw that with knock off meow 1 shots farigiraf while u-turn 1 shots indeedee

252 Atk Choice Band Meowscarada Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Farigiraf: 200-236 (88.1 - 103.9%) -- 25% chance to OHKO

252 Atk Choice Band Protean Meowscarada U-turn vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Indeedee-F: 152-180 (85.8 - 101.6%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

but i definetly prefer sucker punch more and i got anyway incineroar for knock off so