#competitive_discussion

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solid frigate
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Like dude why-

bold geode
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Yeah
Now the one I don't see the vision on is that fucking Hyper Beam set KekHands

rustic mountain
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huh

solid frigate
bold geode
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Deadass some people on Twitter were mentioning a set rarely seen going around (a few people ran it, it wasn't mainstream)
It was Tera Normal, Astral Barrage Hyper Beam Protect and either Nasty Plot or Agility

molten oasis
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Kek

solid frigate
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what the hell-

bold geode
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And to this day, it's the one moment as a Zamazenta main where I wish I could fight a CSR

mighty stump
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Sure you do sureeee

molten oasis
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Lmao

bold geode
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I legit just want to witness someone using that set in a game lmao

molten oasis
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Go play bo1 reg g

bold geode
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Idc if I lose that one, I just wanna see it with my own two eyes

molten oasis
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You’ll find it

bold geode
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I think it was actually used in one of the VR tours

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I actually think that's where it came from

solid frigate
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huh

dense latch
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https://pokepast.es/5e0a8c9f2724cdc6 i've been trying this team out in ladder, but i feel like I can find a better 6th than primarina, I'm not bringing it as much as I thought I would. Any ideas would be really helpful

molten oasis
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Harc maybe

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Armarouge works too

mighty stump
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Cause you have Deedee Tflame isn’t a huge concern. Hecidueye could be useful here.

dense latch
mighty stump
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I’m not really foreseeing anything

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If you’re confident into Archa Peli

mighty stump
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Maybe

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It’s in the “its ok as an option but not my first pick” type

molten oasis
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Gotcha

chrome knot
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hi tofu

next stump
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emma did you get your louisville spot?

chrome knot
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yes ma’am

chrome knot
dull ibex
bold geode
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Of course you be eating sand

balmy glen
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Anyone know if the dude that ran the Overquil team at NAIC posted his rental

bold geode
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Rich?

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Cybertron did a video on the team so

shadow wind
dull ibex
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whats up comp chat

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not dollar ignoring my message

bold geode
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What

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Oh me see
I don't have mats sorry

molten oasis
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Could be worse

dull ibex
molten oasis
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No the team

shadow wind
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Mine?

dull ibex
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oh yeah

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the team is fine ig

molten oasis
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Bruh wrong person

molten oasis
shadow wind
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It just doesn't mesh well on paper but it's kind of heat

dull ibex
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I would not consider it heat

shadow wind
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And I don't know why but it looks dreadful

shadow wind
rustic mountain
shadow wind
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Budget Terapagos moment

rustic mountain
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but its better so wat r we even doing at that point

shadow wind
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Not a single clue

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I've given up on Reg G so I'm Reg H pilled right now

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Who is even Calyrex?

rustic mountain
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lol

dull ibex
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wow uh

shadow wind
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All I know is Altaria

rustic mountain
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"i can protect again?"

dull ibex
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the damage miraidon deals is not okay

rustic mountain
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yea

shadow wind
rustic mountain
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lmao

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i forgot that was a thing and then i played 1 and that happened

shadow wind
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Yup

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Love when I forgot game mechanics

rustic mountain
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that mon sucks tho so it doesnt even matter

shadow wind
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Loses me the game

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Rattled + Tera psychic + weakness policy + side beat up + baton pass

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Trust

rustic mountain
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usually i can still win, it depends how bad i mess up forgetting something. in that case it wasnt doing much and i still won

craggy dagger
shadow wind
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Altaria gaming

craggy dagger
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send me the set :0

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i wanna use altaria-
mine was a failed amalgamation .-.

shadow wind
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It's a cooked team

rustic mountain
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that shits deep fried ass

shadow wind
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But it worked for me so I can't complain

craggy dagger
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oh

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not wisp haze support .-.

shadow wind
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Nah

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Helping hand !!

craggy dagger
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yaya

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wisp/hh haze tailwind/protect breaking swipe

shadow wind
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Yeah mine is more offensive

craggy dagger
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orrrr you can do prankster sing FukingDies

shadow wind
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Cause I got banded chop I needed grass threats

craggy dagger
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mm fair enough

shadow wind
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Yeah that team got me to T500 so honestly it has a lot of stuff that needs to be changed but it isn't half bad

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I was in a slump and just threw a bunch of stuff on a team and that got created

bold geode
rustic mountain
shadow wind
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People just be overpredicting turn 1 and I just eq, pretty solid game plan

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Like 0 reason for what they did

dull ibex
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ive been playing that mirai team that world that big tournament

rustic mountain
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worlds?

dull ibex
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it is NOT okay how hard volt switch hits

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this team

rustic mountain
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oh rajans team

shadow wind
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Very offensive, 2 protects on the whole team

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Oh wait 3

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People that don't have protects in the same spot on every pokemon have something wrong with them

solid frigate
solid frigate
solid frigate
rustic mountain
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oh right

solid frigate
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and Fari set looks ENTIRELY Different

shadow wind
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Does it?

solid frigate
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semi different but still the purpose is different

shadow wind
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Oh wasn't it throat spray?

solid frigate
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Fari without Protect is kinda weary

molten oasis
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He ran incin

solid frigate
molten oasis
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Or do you mean at a different time

solid frigate
rustic mountain
molten oasis
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Yea he had incin

rustic mountain
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heres rajans 6 ^

dull ibex
molten oasis
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The shifu change was more recent

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I forgot he had incin and pon lol

dull ibex
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It feels very hyper offensive

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Feels very all gas all the time

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The tempo I create is insane, granted I'm low ladder

rustic mountain
solid frigate
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Anyways i'm dealing with someone built a 52 Speed no Attack Garchomp

That someone built(Not in this server)

molten oasis
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Yea

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I miss shifu bro lol

solid frigate
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same

rustic mountain
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haha

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ppl complained about shifu endlessly

solid frigate
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like Urshifu is fine

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just deal with it

rustic mountain
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idk like im fine w/o it

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i was fine w/ it too

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its ability needs readjusting imo tho

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a lot of gen 8 mons were made for dmax, to not adjust all of them but just some of them afterward is reckless

solid frigate
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yeah like just give it like 30% damage reduction when hit through protect

rustic mountain
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yep

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or rather hit thru protect for 1/3

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i think that makes more sense

solid frigate
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yeah

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i think 0.7x would be better

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cuz it still show the power of Urshifu but make it more balance

rustic mountain
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eh i guess i feel like hitting thru protect is powerful enough, leaving it only at a 30% damage decrease is still pretty strong

solid frigate
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fair

rustic mountain
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nd its not completely necessary but i think itd make urshifu not as centralizing

solid frigate
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fair

rustic mountain
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otherwise understandably most players r gna take it wen its legal

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cuz its that strong and flexible

solid frigate
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also i think i finally see someone(Not in this server) built a 252 HP,200 Defense and 52 Speed No Attack Garchomp with Draco Meteor and Toxic-

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i need to wash my eyes

rustic mountain
solid frigate
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HOW DID THEY FUMBLE THAT

harsh warren
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I’m almost to masterball with my zamazenta team

solid frigate
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noice

rustic mountain
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nd then their sets are bad

solid frigate
harsh warren
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Calyrex really is the hardest legendary to get around but with a well timed wide guard I’ve managed to get around Astral Barrage/Glacial Lance

rustic mountain
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zama is generally pretty favored into cir

solid frigate
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wha? Zama beats Caly Ice-

harsh warren
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Farigiraf’s ability is really annoying preventing priority moves though sometimes I need one from Urshifu or Rillaboom to clean up

solid frigate
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if Anything,Miraidon hates Both Calys

harsh warren
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I have an easier time against Miraidon with Zamazenta than I do against the Calys

solid frigate
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something is wrong i can feel it

balmy glen
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just depends on how u build ur team

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Zama guy has appeared to save another zama user

harsh warren
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I sent my team in here before

rustic mountain
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hands + seed giraffe + nuking something t1 likely w/ miraidon. and then heartflame to tera and deal w/ stuff if need be

chrome knot
solid frigate
balmy glen
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moment

chrome knot
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Keanu coaching for hire

harsh warren
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I might even change my zama’s stats but they’re pretty good. I’m running full hp and full defense with the rest in speed with Impish nature to give it some base special defense. It can live a helping hand electro drift from terrastalized miraidon.

solid frigate
harsh warren
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And move set I’m using body press, heavy slam, wide guard, and protect

balmy glen
chrome knot
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vineboom sound effect

solid frigate
harsh warren
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I send it out first in conjunction with a heavy hitter like Flutter Mane and it often never faints the entire battle

solid frigate
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Iron Hands:

balmy glen
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that do be Zama

chrome knot
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me a humble iron hands

molten oasis
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sure

rustic mountain
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iron 👐

harsh warren
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For Iron Hands I’d just target down its partner Pokemon until it’s the last one left

solid frigate
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Brian Hands

craggy dagger
harsh warren
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Nah it can’t do much to my Zama

solid frigate
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Like VERY HARD

Especially with Low Kick is now used

craggy dagger
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low kick is no joke .-.
neither is drain punch and wild charge though

craggy dagger
harsh warren
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I can Tera or protect

solid frigate
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156+ Atk Quark Drive Iron Hands Low Kick (120 BP) vs. +1 84 HP / 220+ Def Zamazenta-Crowned: 114-134 (64 - 75.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

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you sure about that-

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156+ Atk Quark Drive Iron Hands Low Kick (120 BP) vs. +1 84 HP / 220+ Def Tera Grass Zamazenta-Crowned: 57-67 (32 - 37.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

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even then it still a sizeable damage

craggy dagger
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can’t do much

100+ Atk Quark Drive Iron Hands Power Spot boosted Low Kick (120 BP) vs. +1 252 HP / 244+ Def Zamazenta-Crowned: 138-164 (69.3 - 82.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

solid frigate
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lmao

craggy dagger
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wait that’s power spot boosted

harsh warren
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Mine’s max defense and max hp

craggy dagger
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ignore that .-.

solid frigate
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that Zama set i remember now

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the one that can get set the dog ablaze-

harsh warren
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But wide guard provides nice counter play against eruption

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I use wide guard and protect both zama and my partner while my partner Pokemon knocks out or does heavy damage to the Torkoal or Koraidon or whatever fire type

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Then I have priority moves to guaranteed finish off the final slice of hp

balmy glen
harsh warren
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Unless they have a Farigiraf that thing’s annoying

balmy glen
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you can calc it to be similar to mine

bold geode
balmy glen
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cant really share my spreads though

craggy dagger
solid frigate
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Monke and Keanu are here saving a Zama player probably

bold geode
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What

solid frigate
bold geode
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I just saw one message, we talking about Zama?

balmy glen
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@harsh warren are you saying your 252 hp 252 defense

harsh warren
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I’ve never done calculations.

craggy dagger
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nowwwwwww
if it crit
or it didn’t get the defense boost

100+ Atk Quark Drive Iron Hands Low Kick (120 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Zamazenta-Crowned on a critical hit: 236-282 (118.5 - 141.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

balmy glen
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ah

solid frigate
craggy dagger
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they’re saying hands does nothing into zama .-.

balmy glen
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You should learn how to run calcs it will optimize your team a lot

harsh warren
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I’m 252 hp 252 def 4 spd and Impish nature which is +spdef-spatk

bold geode
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I let Keanu talk first on Zamazenta since he has better results with it and works with other big players who ran Zamazenta

craggy dagger
solid frigate
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no need to calc that

bold geode
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Like I ain't gonna try to think I know as much as the guy who worked with Michael Zhang on the same Mon KekHands

craggy dagger
solid frigate
craggy dagger
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heavy slam enters the chat

solid frigate
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exactly

bold geode
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Plus he knows more about the WH set that's kinda better
If this were IDBP set, I could talk all fuckin night lmao

chrome knot
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i did not scroll up to see people say iron hands does nothing to zamazenta did I😭

balmy glen
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I will say my indie spread was max defense but id never go max hp on it you gotta optimize it more than that @harsh warren

chrome knot
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yessss unfortunately

craggy dagger
solid frigate
balmy glen
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I would recommend watching Cloverbells to see how to optimize spreads since I also help out with his videos @harsh warren

bold geode
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I mean no
Like fuck Low Kick, Iron Hands just beats out Zamazenta with Drain Punch tbh

harsh warren
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Thanks I’ll maybe check that out. I also make YouTube videos. My last Pokemon video was back in sword and shield.

craggy dagger
solid frigate
chrome knot
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i registered for louisville

balmy glen
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ezpz

craggy dagger
chrome knot
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you are so mean!!!

solid frigate
chrome knot
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ill do fine >;(

bold geode
craggy dagger
balmy glen
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I think a low kick did 40 hp to my zama at worlds with terrain off

chrome knot
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and im saying fuck you in an endearing way

solid frigate
craggy dagger
chrome knot
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HUUUHHH

craggy dagger
balmy glen
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comp discussion moment

bold geode
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There's kids here 👁️👁️

solid frigate
craggy dagger
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i’m asking when you’re saying fuck you in an endearing way-
what?????

chrome knot
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Like the

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god shut upppppp

solid frigate
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get out of the Gutter Nova lmao

craggy dagger
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EMMA-
GET YOUR MIND OUT THE GUTTER KEKW_Cry

chrome knot
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!??????

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WHYS IT ME

craggy dagger
craggy dagger
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i didn’t mean it like that wtf

chrome knot
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@balmy glen thoughts on psyspam top 2 in big tourney

bold geode
chrome knot
solid frigate
bold geode
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What

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It's Ratsune Squeaku

solid frigate
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yeah ik

craggy dagger
balmy glen
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gambit isnt a solution

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gallade gaming

bold geode
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Point 3

chrome knot
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gallade scissors beats paper

balmy glen
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nah but Psyspam is prob the most consistent archetype rn ngl

chrome knot
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i know it’s beautiful

solid frigate
balmy glen
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but I have wide guard pelipper on my team so

bold geode
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Psyspam is fucking braindead rn

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Lmao
Like other stuff

chrome knot
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single target moves into a spread move mixup

solid frigate
chrome knot
solid frigate
bold geode
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I legit with other stuff have struggled to get 1100s at times
I legit threw together Psyspam shit the other day and instantly hit 1200 without breaking a fucking sweat

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Literally just clicking buttons and winning
It's so fucking dumb rn

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Cuz if Armadee doesn't finish it, Torkoal comes from the back and cleans up the rest

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At least MausApe felt a little more technical

solid frigate
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yeah its pretty much Wide Guard Fodder for Psyspam Teams

bold geode
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Yeah funny thing is you don't even need Rilla at times, just take advantage of the terrain and Wide Guard the E Force away lol

solid frigate
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Pelipper moment

bold geode
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Also I have not seen like a single fucking Meteor Beam Armarouge on ladder and that's so stupid

solid frigate
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people likes to play with Gimmicks

chrome knot
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psyspam doesn’t feel technical bc ur not smart enough

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its easy to learn but takes quite a bit to master

bold geode
chrome knot
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literally every team

bold geode
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If I'm dumb, then the opponents I fought must be even dumber then

solid frigate
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moment

bold geode
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I mean I'll talk shit about stuff all I want lol
I'll talk shit about this Reg too, it ass brother lol

solid frigate
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its fucking ass

bold geode
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I'm literally playing Crash Bandicoot again rn cuz of the ass format

solid frigate
forest arrow
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Psyspam good

bold geode
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I don't even feel like it's "skill issue" just literally like you have these strong things right
Except unlike past regs, it feels like if you have a bad MU, you can't play out of bad MU at all

forest arrow
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Just gotta counter it

solid frigate
solid frigate
bold geode
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Feels like climbing a mountain when you have a bad MU vs before when it's like bad MU oh I can win this or come close if I play good

forest arrow
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No i feel you

bold geode
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Also deadass it's like I told someone I legit think in the past 2 weeks, I have plotted more lines into MausApe or Archaludon Pelipper than I did into CSR for the 2 months I mained Zamazenta

forest arrow
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That Gambit clef team is pretty good into alot of match ups atm

bold geode
solid frigate
forest arrow
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I like the volc side of the things, I actually play good with teams when I don’t try to force something (sand, sorry ttar)

solid frigate
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the only team i consider it as a pass is the Kommo-o Tech Team

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for my teambuild

craggy dagger
forest arrow
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Wolfie entered chat-

chrome knot
dull ibex
forest arrow
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Lmao wolfie leaves chat-

chrome knot
dull ibex
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The combine both for and one

chrome knot
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yeaahhhh

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how original neonFallen

torn parrot
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Okay

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I’ll stop complaining about rain

chrome knot
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hi maya

molten oasis
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I hate TW teams dude, can’t do fucking shit

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Just click tw and click buttons, can’t do anything

harsh warren
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Just beat a miraidon discharge team with my zama team

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So satisfying

rustic mountain
jade dust
jade dust
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And call that ability “No u”

molten oasis
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Idk if I’m feeling volcarona rn

torn parrot
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I’m playing pledge

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It’s very fun

torn parrot
torn parrot
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It doesn’t exactly take advantage of focus energy

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But it’s nice

molten oasis
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and if its specs gleam hydrei's dead, and MURKROW CAN HAZE THAT AWAY

torn parrot
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Maybe a change of tera?

chrome knot
molten oasis
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if dengo tera dragon's i cant do shit

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i dont have u-turn rn due to my mu into ty whimsi being shit

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so cycling FO is harder

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and therefore hard to get hydrei into position to hit dengo

shadow wind
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Like 4 elo off 1600, probably the worst spot to be in

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Cause I wanna play more but at the same time at this time of day there's only like 1400s players

floral rivet
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Playing comp pokemon is a good change of pace from all the toxicity i see in low diamond on league of legends

chrome knot
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yeah

mighty stump
devout mist
mighty stump
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But in general I always have comms off anyways

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at best you get a gl hf and gg at worst you get slurs hurled towards your ancestors so

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not exactly a 1:1 spectrum

devout mist
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that is why you muteall and relearn to enjoy games with communities with big egos imo

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league/pokemon have some similarities tbh

shadow wind
devout mist
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toxicity is not a joke

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people have serious issues ongoing with how they queue out of spite in a lot of games

shadow wind
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I know it isn't but Toxtricity being a sound based pokemon and just using "muteall" was funny to me

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I feel like I don't see any toxicity on showdown ladder though, usually just people getting pressed over bad luck

floral rivet
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Same

shadow wind
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But luck is part of the game so if something really really unfortunate happens I usually say sorry or something of the sort

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Although if it's like a play rough miss I'm rejoicing and keeping my mouth shut in that chat

devout mist
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luck ain't an equal factor in every game. you got luck/rng in Pokemon vs not much in MOBAs.

shadow wind
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Never played league so I honestly got zero insight into the similarities and differences between em

devout mist
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Your moves don't have to roll for accuracy ha ha

shadow wind
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Man maybe I get into league

devout mist
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It ain't just league, all MOBAs have little next to no RNG

shadow wind
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If only Groudon wouldn't miss every single precipice blade

floral rivet
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There is quite a bit of luck in league. But that game is frustrating for different reasons.

floral rivet
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Such as player quality as well as champion balance.

shadow wind
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Is balancing luck?

devout mist
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balance is a word you use with caution, anyone will use it for different meanings

shadow wind
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Very true

devout mist
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league is known to have a heavy emphasis on balancing their game for both pro/casual ranges at the same time

shadow wind
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Ah so everyone is viable more or less?

devout mist
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definitely

shadow wind
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Ah ok

devout mist
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you got some outliers but you can find success with a lot of things

shadow wind
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Yeah pokemon don't give a single dang about balancing

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Power creep is the biggest problem in my opinion

devout mist
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Pokemon has clearly things that outstat/outvalues other options

shadow wind
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These new restricteds are just overwhelming to everything else

devout mist
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And it's fine like this since it's mostly a game made for enjoying it alone/casually.

shadow wind
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Gotta have a selling point I guess

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For sure

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But man if my favourite can't win I'm in shambles

devout mist
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play some randoms, you get to use a wide pool of Pokemon with funny yet competitive sets

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(random format on showdown)

shadow wind
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I do play randoms occasionally but I enjoy teambuilding a lot as well

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I like making weird pokemon work in an already determined meta game

molten oasis
devout mist
shadow wind
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What do you mean get that? Like how do I do it?

devout mist
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Already determined metagame

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How do you get that for OU/VGC

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I struggle bringing the right 4 Mons in VGC, OU is different as I can get away playing balance sort of

shadow wind
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Well like right now in Reg H rain is super dominant right now so you could use a weird pokemon like altaria to counter it

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Meta is always changing but like in that example you can play to a rain meta

devout mist
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isn't altaria quad weak to ice with is common on water Mons ?

shadow wind
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It is but nah, right now ice beam doesn't exist besides on weirdo sets

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I always run Garchomp so that's even more ice weaknesses

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Balanced out with Gambit + Arcanine mostly though

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It's funny though, most rain teams don't even have water type sweapers right now

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All about that Archaludon

torn parrot
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i think altaria is a hidden reg H gem

shadow wind
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Until blizzard 😔

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(I'm unlucky)

torn parrot
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its okay we live in a generation where altaria is a steel type

shadow wind
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What if I want mine to be an ice type for the ice type resist?

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Just give it pixilate back 😔

torn parrot
jade dust
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To who

torn parrot
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they are giving it back 🫵

shadow wind
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MEGAS WOOHOO!!

chrome knot
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gn maya

knotty mirage
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I wonder is there any wellspring ogerpon build that let it survive freeze dry from iron bundle ?

balmy glen
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Why do u need to do that

knotty mirage
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Just curious actually can well spring survive from freeze dry or will it always insta kill it

mighty stump
molten oasis
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I kinda wanna go back to Tera steel on hydrei but the fighting resistance for poison has also felt kinda nice

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I might just go Tera fire hydrei as well tbh

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I want u-turn on rilla

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Eh I explode anyway nvm lol

balmy glen
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Number 1 guy on ladder is Smeargle Muk @mighty stump

mighty stump
balmy glen
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This gotta be a worlds player ain’t no way he just randomly stopped in the middle ladder of reg g then hard grinded like this in reg h

dull ibex
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Hello

dull ibex
mighty stump
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This ain't for you

dull ibex
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Liar

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Wdym not for me obviously

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Tbh I'm just waiting to see how it does in reg H in psyspam

mighty stump
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Its ok

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Theres no need to "wait to see how it does" lol

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The ones that are good with it will do well

dull ibex
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I'm also waiting for team comps to come because I have no idea how to build it lmao

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This gholdengo team is pretty close to what I want

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Gonna have to test it more

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Oh BTW tofu

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That offensive incin I have

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I think it was generalist offensive av

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But during swsh

molten oasis
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https://pokepast.es/ed3642b998219ebe I’m not really feeling volcarona rn, thoughts on something to place here? Team feels weak to dengo krow especially rn, be it specs or Tera dragon NP

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Everything else has felt fine

dull ibex
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Everything is weak to dengo /j

molten oasis
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You’re not helping lol

dull ibex
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No duh lmao

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Your team doesn't look particularly weak to dengo

knotty mirage
mighty stump
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Not really lol

dull ibex
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You could slot gambit set up somewhere in there

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Smeargle is pretty bleh rn imo

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Even if it does flood ladder it doesnt mean you'll lose to it

molten oasis
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specs gleam spam is kinda free, or can just power gem volcarona

knotty mirage
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Oh yeah and finally finished with my monthly push

dull ibex
#

Speaking of monthly push ladder stream?

molten oasis
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tera dragon nasty plot is difficult to break through due to tauros having poor spD

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and then the rest of my team doesnt wanna take MIR

knotty mirage
dull ibex
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In game

molten oasis
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volc cant do shit in return either

dull ibex
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Were very close to masterball

molten oasis
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i'll think on the slot ig

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incin looks, fine, ish, here

knotty mirage
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Sure i guess it always nice to see something new on in games ladder the team in there is something else sometimes

mighty stump
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Have you tried Tera Blast Dragon Volcarona

knotty mirage
#

Still salty about the lost on belly drum iron hand trick room caly s team

molten oasis
#

thats a thing?

mighty stump
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Tera Dragon Volc is a thing but it doesn't really take a genius to figure out it's coverage kinda dog shit if you go run Grass/Fire

molten oasis
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i mean, thats what i've seen everyone else run

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but you're not wrong

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that coverage sucks

mighty stump
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Okay but I'm not everyone else and I don't want to be

molten oasis
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fair enough

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i mean ig, i think i have to go to lefties tho, or sitrus

dull ibex
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I want to be better

dapper crag
#
Grass, Fire
Hits for 0.5x

Dragon, Fire

Hits for 1x

Dark, Electric, Fairy, Fighting, Flying, Ghost, Normal, Poison, Psychic, Stellar

Hits for 2x

Bug, Grass, Ground, Ice, Rock, Steel, Water

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molten oasis
#

ooof yea that kinda blows

dapper crag
#
Dragon, Fire
Hits for 1x

Dark, Electric, Fairy, Fighting, Fire, Flying, Ghost, Ground, Normal, Poison, Psychic, Rock, Stellar, Water

Hits for 2x

Bug, Dragon, Grass, Ice, Steel

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dull ibex
#

I stand by gambit as an option as well

molten oasis
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kind of weird set wise but ok, i can try that out

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i dont really like double steel

knotty mirage
#

I have question does grass / steel type mon exist on SV ?

molten oasis
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no

dull ibex
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Can we rebuff aegislash

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We need the boy back

molten oasis
#

nah dengo is my goat

knotty mirage
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Ah damn so i presune the only one who have that typing is ferrothorn line

dull ibex
#

Dengo and slash do different things

molten oasis
#

we also have kartana

knotty mirage
#

Oh yeah that thing do kinda forgettable tho

dull ibex
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Ferrothorn gives me singles flashbacks

dull ibex
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Bad take to call that thing forgettable

knotty mirage
#

Ferrothron def could be good answer for urshi water especially if they use choice item

molten oasis
#

POV SoR Close Combat

dull ibex
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Ig we can ignore how stupid kart was in swsh

knotty mirage
# dull ibex Kartana????

The best thing i could say ultra beast have really weird shaping most of times i forgot theyre even pokemon to begin with

dull ibex
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I miss stakataka

molten oasis
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damn i cant do the calc

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i haven't played with any ultra beasts

knotty mirage
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Well it doesn't exist on SV

dull ibex
molten oasis
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i was hoping to mess with kartana this gen but nah, no ultra beasts or tapus

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or naganadel

dapper crag
#
Pokémon No. 804: Naganadel
Types

Poison/Dragon

Abilities

Beast Boost

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

73/73/73/127/73/121

Total

540

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knotty mirage
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I guess gamefreak scared with what those mon can do with tera

molten oasis
#

those are some funky stats

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its clear what it wants to do at least

knotty mirage
#

Especially with the ability like caly and i presume they don't want ultra beast too overshadow the paradox mon

molten oasis
#

they didn't want to overshadow paradox yea

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i think thats why no tapus as well

dapper crag
#
Pokémon No. 798: Kartana
Types

Grass/Steel

Abilities

Beast Boost

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

59/181/131/59/31/109

Total

570

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molten oasis
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why does it have 131 defense lmao

knotty mirage
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Yeah paradox and ultra beast in a way similliar especially with all of them having same ability

molten oasis
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and that attack stat is nuts

dull ibex
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vgc time

atomic locust
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What's the best ev training for miridon

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K got it

dull ibex
knotty mirage
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That's stream is something seeing choice spec fluttermane with tera stellar tera blast def an eye opening experience

chrome knot
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@mighty stump wanna watch me lose vgc world cup friendly in an hour :3

mighty stump
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Im trying to just hit mball so I dont have to suffer as much next reg but I cannot bring myself to care

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ong

chrome knot
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i on god don’t care abt in game ladder

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what is point unless you spawn in at t250

mighty stump
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idk mang

molten oasis
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Let’s go the soda machine “broke” and then I fixed it and got 3 drinks for 1

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aw man I can’t bully monke in vc

torn parrot
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Did you start down for on the bottom

dull ibex
molten oasis
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Well I can’t

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I have class rn lol

bold geode
chrome knot
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@dull ibex open spot

dull ibex
chrome knot
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washroom

torn parrot
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🤝

molten oasis
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Yep

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And I’m not used to the amount of work needed to be done lol

torn parrot
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You got this

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I’m also in the middle of the first week this semester

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Oh fuck it’s already the 29th

molten oasis
gentle cragBOT
molten oasis
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I think

foggy lodge
solid frigate
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@dull ibex LEMME IN

dull ibex
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join now

dull ibex
chrome knot
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+2 252+ SpA Calyrex-Shadow Rider Draining Kiss vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Ogerpon-Hearthflame: 38-45 (24.5 - 29%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after sandstorm damage

torn parrot
gentle cragBOT
molten oasis
gentle cragBOT
molten oasis
solid frigate
torn parrot
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I’m playing a pledge team

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It’s really fun

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Swamp is disgustingly good

rustic mountain
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marcos team?

silk stream
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def the longest game ive ever played

molten oasis
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Also found it odd the arch didn’t have av, and peli wasn’t sashed

bold geode
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A9 did not do well Elmo

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(it was probably fine)

molten oasis
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a9 is the reason I won the game lol

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(Hydrei got a focus energy off)

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It was a slaughter house

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Still not feeling volc tho

bold geode
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@mighty stump bye bye?

mighty stump
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No

molten oasis
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opposing volc feels miserable mu wise

mighty stump
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Ill be back

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I'm gonna go watch and eat first

torn parrot
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nah I made a goofball team with my friend

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So clefable kingambit rillaboom is some kind of a core?

mighty stump
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yh

molten oasis
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Scarf armarouge

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That’s not something I expected

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How do I know? it outsped and OHKOed my ninetales

chrome knot
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yknow whatd solve this

mighty stump
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@dull ibex aight open it back up

solid frigate
molten oasis
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I can join vc soon

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I have a 2 hour break between classes

dull ibex
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go ahead

solid frigate
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@molten oasis join now

molten oasis
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No

solid frigate
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b r u h

molten oasis
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I said soon not now lol

dull ibex
rustic mountain
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clef/gambit/rilla/volc is a pretty common balance core atm

molten oasis
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Isn’t it just awesome when you lose games to crits and poisons from a fucking gengar then you just get cooked by the stupid clefable shit

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So fun man

rustic mountain
rustic mountain
# solid frigate b r u h

so ive been testing out that h typhlosion murkow stuff, its very good. i basically just yoinked marcos team tho

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got top 500 w/ 72% gxe

molten oasis
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God the clefable gambit volc stuff is so hard to break through

rustic mountain
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yea it can be tough

molten oasis
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And the Gengar on the team is irritating asf

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I can’t set up and I don’t really have the offense to just, go kill

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Im still not feeling volcarona on my side

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But I also have no clue what I’m supposed to add

rustic mountain
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do u feel like ur other mus are good?

molten oasis
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lol

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Uhm, with the main 5 I feel like I can handle

rustic mountain
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wdym

molten oasis
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Dengo krow/ty whimsi HO, dozo,

rustic mountain
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oh ok

molten oasis
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I’m listing lol

rustic mountain
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arch rain and mausape?

molten oasis
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Archa peli, dengo balance, psyspam, and Bloodmoon tr

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Uh, mausape is a little weird

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I lead Tauros/a9 and just, hope lol

rustic mountain
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seems like u have a good overall mu ratio then

molten oasis
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Yea, I kinda want some kind of physical attacker

rustic mountain
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id say if ur team seems like a member could be replaced which it seems ur considering and any specific move choices that could potential assist u in those other less favorable mus like mausape and gambit balance

molten oasis
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Offensive physical attacker, Tauros only hits so hard oldmanshrug

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I mean, I think mausape is doable with a9 Tauros lead

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I get the +2 from ape and I can chunk it early

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Gambit balance is rough tho

rustic mountain
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i think if ur giving urself atleast a 50/50 in those other 2 mus its prolly fine but if ur able to get it to 60/40 even better right haha

molten oasis
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The clefable is really hard to break through

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Yea I think the 5 are really solid

rustic mountain
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nice

molten oasis
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The 6th is, per usual, kicking my ass

rustic mountain
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wats the 5/

molten oasis
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Hydra dengo a9 rilla Tauros

rustic mountain
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volcs the odd one out lol

molten oasis
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Yea lol

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A9 managed to feel good finally

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Finishes fantasy and supports dengo/hydrei pretty well

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So it works out pretty ok

rustic mountain
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do u bench it vs opposing weather?

molten oasis
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No

rustic mountain
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jus back a9?

molten oasis
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I’ll usually have it in the back, I don’t feel like it needs to set veil always

rustic mountain
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fair

molten oasis
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Encore and icy wind is a lot of support already

rustic mountain
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ive played a cppl players who did back a9 and outplayed me

molten oasis
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I think a9 should just be used as a solo thing tbh

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The snow archetype fucking sucks lol

rustic mountain
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yea

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if itd work itd hav to be on its own

molten oasis
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Yea

rustic mountain
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maybe bax stuff but idk i think both r jus better w/o eachother rn

molten oasis
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What to do with this fucking volc man lol

molten oasis
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Bax feels better on rain

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If anything

rustic mountain
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or jus a more balance style team

molten oasis
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Yea

bold geode
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Man my WiFi is eating shit today

molten oasis
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CB Bax is funny tho

rustic mountain
molten oasis
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True yea

rustic mountain
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go thru sd list of options and see wat u think could work and also assist in getting those 2 mus a bit more in ur favor

molten oasis
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What are my options, hmm

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Rampardos Nightmare_Smile

rustic mountain
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lets not go too far down the list

molten oasis
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Lmao

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Could maybe go palafin or bascu

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Then add harc over Tauros

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Grassy seed sneasler could be a thing

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Banded pult

rustic mountain
molten oasis
#

I haven’t been impressed either, doesn’t feel like a real Mon

rustic mountain
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basculegion feels awkward on ur team

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palafin maybe but i would try to not move too much around jus to slot that in

molten oasis
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For sure yea

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harc? Idk

rustic mountain
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try it

molten oasis
#

Gambit was a thought but I don’t like the 4 fire weaknesses lol

rustic mountain
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i think harcs fine atm

rustic mountain
molten oasis
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Yea, good into volc too

rustic mountain
#

yea

molten oasis
#

Which have been giving me issues

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Do I want double intim tho Thonking

rustic mountain
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basically force the tera or switch nd u can jus blitz since most r grass

molten oasis
#

Yea

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Can’t switchin gambit either

rustic mountain
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does well into volc/gambit/rilla

rustic mountain
molten oasis
#

True I don’t have to go band

rustic mountain
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i prolly wouldnt not for ur team

molten oasis
#

Blitz wisp slide is probably enough+protext

chrome knot
#

bwomp

molten oasis
#

Clam too

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Or goggles

bold geode
rustic mountain
#

can try clam w/ grass tera

bold geode
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Regular Arc Elmo

rustic mountain
#

depends wat u want ur harc to do, more offensive or more defensive with more sustain (sitrus berry)

bold geode
#

See my sad thing with Kantonian Arcanine is like there's still Incineroar lmao

rustic mountain
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haha

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i mean mono fire kinda is better strictly defensively

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but thats it

molten oasis
#

I want more offensive so imma go clam

bold geode
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Like I could have Arc support with Snarl or Wisp but like guess who else has it

molten oasis
#

The cat lol

bold geode
molten oasis
#

That monke is gonna love when I wisp it with harc lol

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(I will still explode to rage fist)

rustic mountain
bold geode
gentle cragBOT
rustic mountain
#

i think harc and incin are jus better choices for a fire type intimidate

molten oasis
#

Id argue Tauros too

rustic mountain
#

arcs good in those regional dex first cppl formats

bold geode
#

Sleeping on Hitmontop

molten oasis
#

Nah lol

bold geode
#

Hitmontop actually put in work for me I was very surprised

molten oasis
#

In reg g right?

rustic mountain
#

also can still be decent depending on whats available. like in swsh it was used (not as much as incin) but by some cuz it resisted both zacians stabs and could jus wisp it

bold geode
#

Yeah
Although like hell who knows maybe it'd work for H fuck it

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I wouldn't doubt it

molten oasis
#

You can test it

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I’m glad I fidgeted with water Tauros it seems pretty strong

#

the urshifu copium is real

rustic mountain
#

hitmontop seems meh rn

molten oasis
#

HARC FIXES THE WHIMSI TY MU

#

no longer Tera reliant hell yea

bold geode
#

It has a kit so
It probably still be niche but

rustic mountain
molten oasis
#

Lmao

bold geode
#

But I hate myself though so

rustic mountain
#

i feel like hitmontop is bait based on its kit

bold geode
#

I hate myself so I'll use Hitmontop

molten oasis
#

Bruh

rustic mountain
#

like sure it has good tools but is it really doing enough to enable its partners consistently

molten oasis
#

What partners would it enable anyway

rustic mountain
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no im saying the other way around

molten oasis
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Like WG is nice for dengo but like, just run a fire type

rustic mountain
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its a support so itd be the enabler

molten oasis
#

Oh true

rustic mountain
#

oh nvm i read that wrong lol

molten oasis
#

Lmfao

rustic mountain
molten oasis
#

I run around campus to find a place to sit just to forget I need chopsticks for my food, fuck

#

Fair enough

rustic mountain
#

maybe a fake out/wide guard/coaching/close combat set w/ like balance stuff

molten oasis
#

Maybe with like, uh, idk

#

Murkrow Typhlosion?

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Why not whims?

rustic mountain
#

for hitmontop?

molten oasis
#

No the stuff you’re playing with

rustic mountain
#

oh why not whims over murkrow?

bold geode
molten oasis
bold geode
#

Once again it'd probably be niche AF but it could probably work slightly

molten oasis
#

I got cooked by a heci today, I think it’s kinda real lol

rustic mountain
# molten oasis Ya

mostly jus haze lol some set up cant be encored and dozo is awkward if they dont protect. also have a grass type in meowsarada and a fairy type in prim on the team already

molten oasis
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That’s fair yea

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Man, trusty harc

bold geode
#

Basically my idea is if I hate myself enough, it can work

molten oasis
#

Just like the good ol days before incin came back

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So if you really hated yourself you’d use spidops

rustic mountain
bold geode
molten oasis
#

Or do you

bold geode
#

There is a line to how much I hate myself

molten oasis
#

How do I break it

rustic mountain
#

im not sure many ppl could use spidops well

molten oasis
#

Idt there’s a reason to lol

rustic mountain
#

def not

molten oasis
#

Spidops is actually trash

bold geode
rustic mountain
#

but wolfey will like try nd make runs to #1 every now and then w/ shit mons

bold geode
#

Lol

molten oasis
dapper crag
#
Hitmontop's moveset:
Physical Moves

Aerial Ace, Body Slam, Brick Break, Brutal Swing, Bulldoze, Bullet Punch, Close Combat, Counter, Covet, Dig, Double-Edge, Drill Run, Earthquake, Endeavor, Facade, Fake Out, Feint, Frustration, Giga Impact, Gyro Ball, Headbutt, High Jump Kick, Ice Spinner, Low Kick, Low Sweep, Mach Punch, Mega Kick, Mega Punch, Natural Gift, Pursuit, Quick Attack, Rapid Spin, Retaliate, Return, Revenge, Reversal, Rock Slide, Rock Smash, Rolling Kick, Rollout, Secret Power, Seismic Toss, Stone Edge, Strength, Sucker Punch, Tackle, Take Down, Thief, Triple Axel, Triple Kick, Upper Hand

Special Moves

Focus Blast, Hidden Power, Mud-Slap, Round, Snore, Swift, Tera Blast, Twister, Uproar, Vacuum Wave

Status Moves

Agility, Attract, Baton Pass, Bulk Up, Captivate, Coaching, Confide, Curse, Detect, Double Team, Endure, Focus Energy, Foresight, Helping Hand, Laser Focus, Mimic, Mind Reader, Protect, Quick Guard, Rain Dance, Rest, Role Play, Sandstorm, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Toxic, Wide Guard, Work Up

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Hitmontop.

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mighty stump
#

Wishing Galvantula was good

molten oasis
dapper crag
#
Pokémon No. 596: Galvantula
Types

Bug/Electric

Abilities

Compound Eyes, Unnerve, Swarm (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

70/77/60/97/60/108

Total

472

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molten oasis
#

Those stats suck jeez

bold geode
#

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

#

Can Hitmontop survive a

molten oasis
#

Tera steel MIR?

#

Crit Draco meteor? Eruption?

#

Speaking of, I love how the instant people find hisui ty and whims HO was a thing everyone gets onto it

#

I’ve seen so many the past couple days

#

Can harc live +2 kowtow

bold geode
#

+1 252+ Atk Dondozo Wave Crash vs. 252 HP / 132 Def Hitmontop: 129-153 (82.1 - 97.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery

#

Deadass

molten oasis
#

No not even lmfao

bold geode
#

New Dozo counter: Endeavor

chrome knot
#

this cannot be.

molten oasis
#

Monke is desperate lol

bold geode
#

Hey try to stick around when 80% of your HP magically disappears

molten oasis
#

I was mostly pointing out the HO thing got immediately picked up by everyone but ok

#

Harc prob wants to outspeed jolly incin/modest peli right?

rustic mountain
molten oasis
#

I bet it’s fine, people just be opting for rilla

rustic mountain
rustic mountain
molten oasis
#

Nah but syrupsweet syrup is so good right?

dull ibex
molten oasis
#

(Ik it sucks)

rustic mountain
#

lol

molten oasis
#

Fair enough

dull ibex
#

Reminder he used leafeon

rustic mountain
#

u used leafeon

molten oasis
#

Lmfao

dull ibex
rustic mountain
chrome knot
rustic mountain
#

might be my gc team

chrome knot
#

trick room has a cute thing called doubling as a viable team & a gc team

rustic mountain
#

yea trs a good call

bold geode
#

Fuck you, Upper Hand Dnite

rustic mountain
#

lmfao

#

got got?

bold geode
#

Maybe

rustic mountain
#

wat r u running

bold geode
#

Idk honestly
I'm tryna think of shit to run

#

Don't want to get on laptop cuz fucking WiFi is being slow AF today

pseudo zinc
molten oasis
#

Raichu?

pastel blade
#

Adamant or impish for ho oh

rustic mountain
#

neither dont run hooh

bold geode
#

And I can't reset router cuz my mom is probably on WiFi and I don't want to interrupt what she doing

rustic mountain
bold geode
#

Oh no I was saying that as a GC thing

pseudo zinc
molten oasis
#

I’m playing my team in gc

rustic mountain
molten oasis
#

Ik not building up a gimmick for that

pastel blade
molten oasis
#

Adamant ig then

rustic mountain
#

adamant seems good then

pastel blade
#

Just looked on munchstats tho adamant is most used

#

Yea

rustic mountain
#

gl

molten oasis
#

Oh, I’m gonna need throw to hunt me a9 and hydrei now

#

While I get, something in return

#

Cuz masuda hunting is ass

rustic mountain
#

also depending wen the gc is this team might even be completely obselete

molten oasis
#

I’m hoping my stuff doesn’t become shit

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But I’m also running dengo, and rilla, and Tauros, which all seem like they’ll stay relevant the whole reg

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Hydrei I haven’t seen as much

rustic mountain
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i have

molten oasis
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Maybe it’s cuz I see Typhlosion and psyspam a lot

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(I’m climbing from the trenches)

rustic mountain
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those mons wont fall off (maybe aqua tauros) but teams might become refined and defined to make it so those choices on a team collectively might not work as well

molten oasis
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yea that’s fair

rustic mountain
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it jus depends we gta wait and see

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i feel like its inevitable tho

molten oasis
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A9 don’t become trash 🙏

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On this team

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Lemme enjoy your presence this reg lol

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Cuz you’re not real in restricted

rustic mountain
molten oasis
rustic mountain
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almost the max amount of type diversity u can have on a team 11/12 distinct typing

rustic mountain
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and then i jus made random spreads

pseudo zinc
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Do you think Ursaluna will actually be meta in reg h

chrome knot
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yes

pseudo zinc
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Do you think people will go for the optimal ivs?

molten oasis
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Incin is the bane of my existence once again, yippee

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(I played poorly)

chrome knot
pseudo zinc
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It takes a long time for 0 speed and 0 attack

chrome knot
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and..?

pseudo zinc
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So I’m asking if you think the amount of time it takes will make it less common

chrome knot
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no

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especially for regionals people will take the time to perfect their teams

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plus ursaluna-h can be rng hunted & bm-ursa has been out long enough that you SHOULD have a 0/0 by now

pseudo zinc
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I’m talking ladder

chrome knot
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rentals

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—- it in

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ladder is quite easy to build for lmfao

chrome knot
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bwah

spiral ridge
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Heya hun

chrome knot
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haaiii

spiral ridge
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How you feeling?

chrome knot
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tummy hurt

molten oasis
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Man, lost a bo3 to internet dying

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It was super close too, and it was a9 and wisp ready harc with hydrei in the back vs dozo

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I was right there

spiral ridge
torn parrot
molten oasis
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That sucks

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I think the team i have is pretty good

chrome knot
spiral ridge
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:(

molten oasis
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Just lost to internet stuff

spiral ridge
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any better than yesterday?

torn parrot
spiral ridge
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time to try a korai team for the first time and i homebrewed the absolute fuck outta this

molten oasis
spiral ridge
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( was gifted spreads or reused them)

molten oasis
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Ah

chrome knot
spiral ridge
molten oasis
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Fair enough

spiral ridge
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could actually make my gallade team like, good and have a good chance but ehhh later

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wha da helll

spiral ridge
molten oasis
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No restricted lmao

spiral ridge
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yah i see that

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oh boy its gonna be a long game

chrome knot
spiral ridge
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A CRIT SAVED ME FROM DOUBLE SCREENS WOOOO

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oh they TR...

spiral ridge
chrome knot
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need fundd cant call outtttGiggleHehe

spiral ridge
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:((

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fairsies

torn parrot
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🐇

chrome knot
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it wasn’t even after taco bell !!!

torn parrot
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im sorry yoru tummy is acting up im sure itll get better