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#competitive_discussion
jade dust
I was running that but
solid frigate
4 SpD, either Adamant or Brave Nature
jade dust
Living hits you shouldn’t be allowed to is a lot of fun
nocturne holly
Living hits you shouldn’t be allowed to is a lot of fun
what do you live?
jade dust
Surging strikes even through tera fire
solid frigate
It still die to Tachyon Cutter-
jade dust
Astral barrage
solid frigate
nope cuz he does that to Incin as well
nocturne holly
what do you even do in return other than tr
jade dust
Well I have ways to boost damage with helping hand and coaching
solid frigate
then what if it dies
nocturne holly
I mean fair but you should probably calc them
I think you might be over investing
jade dust
then what if it dies
That’s the neat part, you don’t
jade dust
I think you might be over investing
Yeah fair. I got top 100 with this so it definitely isn’t a detrimental thing overall
cyan smelt
why so many wack sets today
livid vine
Uhhh so im a bit confused by this ladder game i played on showdown
Let's say, hypothetically, you're against a Whimsicott that has revealed Encore. Do you:
A) Try to kill it immediately
B) Ignore it and focus the other side
or C) Click setup moves?
next stump
completely depends on your team
timber falcon
do sinistcha (support) run protect
spiral ridge
If you can play around it you can be okay. If it’s gonna cause too much pressure (not being able to protect or setup) then I’d get rid of it
timber falcon
hmm ok
timber falcon
ok so life dew can work im assuming
https://pokepast.es/874759b3659ecd9b this is the team im trying to use it on
chrome knot
just got full para 5 turns in a row after making the correct call to double tr ama
torn parrot
I missed 3 will o wisps in a row yesterday
cyan smelt
My icicle crashes and will o wisps don't miss
torn parrot
Naturally
solid frigate
i just got triple protected-
cyan smelt
My last game I got lucky, gholdengo tricked a specs onto farig, but I managed to land a wisp on ttar and rock slide missed skeledirge and I was able to wisp lycanroc
atomic mural
Let's say, hypothetically, you're against a Whimsicott that has revealed Encore....
not c
mighty stump
It can be C lol
You click setup > protect and switch into a redirection or FO mon T2 > continue
thats why all options are viable there
bold geode
Hey Tofu
chrome knot
@mighty stump wanna see a replay
bold geode
Would Cloak ignore Triple Arrows rolls?
craggy dagger
yah
bold geode
FUCK
solid frigate
that response felt personal
gentle cragBOT
hai bingus
setsumizi has given 1 Gen Rep to interstellarmatchalatte
bold geode
Basically I just realized a MU where I thought "I can't bring this at all" was a MU I should've brought something
chrome knot
HUH HOW
solid frigate
LMAO
chrome knot
I just said Hi
bold geode
Bingus is a rep word apparently
rustic mountain
Basically I just realized a MU where I thought "I can't bring this at all" was a...
be like that sometimes
bold geode
Well basically
It's hard to look at a Rock Slide Garchomp and a Talonflame and go "imma bring Volcarona into this"
rustic mountain
why did u need volc
bold geode
Funny enough with tera I could've actually saved it
Cuz they were pairing these 2 with H-Decidueye and like
Looking further into the MU, Volc actually would've brought more value weirdly enough
tiny peak
Hey guys the fire grass ogerpon, which is better trailblaze or horn leech?
bold geode
Horn Leech
tiny peak
@bold geode can you explain?
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
bold geode
Yeah you're usually not worried about speed cuz Ogerpon Hearthflame is usually pretty speedy and even if it isn't, it's paired with stuff like Tailwind or Rillaboom for Grassy Glide
rustic mountain
Funny enough with tera I could've actually saved it
Cuz they were pairing these ...
seems like a good learning point tbh. its not just about 2 mons nd u gta look further into the mu/other options they opt into for wat u decide to bring
bold geode
Yeah
mighty stump
<@250386799363489808> wanna see a replay
sure
rustic mountain
obviously not gna always get it 100% everytime but u try nd get it as consistent as possible
tiny peak
What if it's paired with a dragon dance user and choice scarf user so then I don't need the extra speed control correct?
Keep in mind this team is singles
bold geode
Oh idk anything about singles
mighty stump
fake format smh
tiny peak
@mighty stump it's not a fake format
craggy dagger
tiny peak
Not sure what that's supposed to mean
chrome knot
<a:FukingDies:694380769615020132>
stinkity
tiny peak
No clue honestly, if your saying singles stinks then while vgc is more popular that doesn't make singles lesser than, some people prefer it, or like both, if your not saying that then I dunno what you mean lol
balmy glen
No clue honestly, if your saying singles stinks then while vgc is more popular t...
Don’t take it to heart
They are just messing with u dw
tiny peak
Not sure what that's got to do with what I asked originally lol but if it's a joke sure cool joke, no worries Keanu I don't take it to heart, of course at the same time if they were serious I had to be like hey singles is valid too lol
mighty stump
It has nothing to do with what you asked. You mentioned singles. I commented
tiny peak
I mentioned singles because it pertained to what I asked
mighty stump
And I ignored the previous information actively and commented on the mention of singles? I don't see what's difficult to understand
tiny peak
No I understand that, but I was asking a question that I had so your comment was kinda pointless and little bit rude
mighty stump
Suit yourself
tiny peak
But like I said to the other guy I didn't take it to heart
rustic mountain
idk if yall saw we are getting 8 global challenges. the ruin legend shinies might b real.
tiny peak
@rustic mountain Is it like an event?
balmy glen
idk if yall saw we are getting 8 global challenges. the ruin legend shinies migh...
What’s sad is the ruins may never be used in future gens 😔
But I will be happy to use Chien Poo
mighty stump
idk if yall saw we are getting 8 global challenges. the ruin legend shinies migh...
That would be so hype
I'm not missing out on event shinies this time
Blue fish and chien poo
rustic mountain
<@669294124649676800> Is it like an event?
they are like an in game challenge over 3 days u get 15 battles a day and try nd go for the best rank theres like cp awarded and shit and some countries use those as qualifiers
tiny peak
Ah ok
rustic mountain
its vgc based
mighty stump
What's the difference between Grand Challenges and Global Challenges anyways
balmy glen
Asia qualifiers through Global Challenges and can’t play in grand challenges
rustic mountain
What’s sad is the ruins may never be used in future gens 😔
eh i think they prolly get alternated no? like tapus some gens and ruins others. maybe even have all of em together 1 gen or something haha
rustic mountain
That would be so hype
its certainly more possible now imo
mighty stump
Sigh
balmy glen
All of them together one gen would be so funny until Tapu Fini destroys all
mighty stump
Asia getting the short end
rustic mountain
All of them together one gen would be so funny until Tapu Fini destroys all
lmao
cyan smelt
Give tapu bulu play rough and grassy glide
rustic mountain
if 4 of them were the ruin mons i wonder what the other 4 wed be given 
rustic mountain
Give tapu bulu play rough and grassy glide
im not sure itd help it much
mighty stump
if 4 of them were the ruin mons i wonder what the other 4 wed be given <:PES_Hmm...
Give me UBs so I can Tera Fire Mind Blown Blacephalon
tiny peak
Is choice scarf miraidon a good check for kyogre, little worried about tera ground kyogre in that case
tiny peak
Ground kyogre you mean?
craggy dagger
and nobody runs ground miraidon😭
i run ice miraidon 
chrome knot
sigh
chrome knot
Ground kyogre you mean?
yes
chrome knot
i run ice miraidon <:firefly_catstare:1242976037529194538>
can you be normal for once!!!
craggy dagger
can you be normal for once!!!<a:AAE_BonkHitNewspaper:784096029728833546>
252 SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Tera Ice Miraidon Tera Blast (80 BP) vs. 252 HP / 76 SpD Assault Vest Groudon: 188-224 (90.8 - 108.2%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO
tiny peak
Ok was curios cause I'm using life orb on another mon so I'm running scarf tera electric miraidon and don't wanna go into an ground kyogre lol
chrome knot
252 SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Tera Ice Miraidon Tera Blast (80 BP) vs. 252 ...
timid miraidon ig
craggy dagger
252 SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Tera Ice Beads of Ruin Miraidon Tera Blast (80 BP) vs. 252 HP / 76 SpD Assault Vest Groudon: 252-296 (121.7 - 142.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
craggy dagger
timid miraidon ig
ya it’s timid miraidon
chrome knot
whyyy
craggy dagger
boltbeam coverage though
chrome knot
im flying to vancouver, deleting all your teams, replacing them with REAL teams and leaving
spiral ridge
Back em up to showdown
craggy dagger
ta da
252 SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Tera Ice Miraidon Tera Blast (80 BP) vs. 244 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Raging Bolt: 204-242 (88.3 - 104.7%) -- 25% chance to OHKO
craggy dagger
252 SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Tera Ice Miraidon Tera Blast (80 BP) vs. 156 HP / 76 SpD Assault Vest Raging Bolt: 188-224 (85.4 - 101.8%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO
what-
i like my boltbeam coverage on a miraidon
.-.
rustic mountain
Give me UBs so I can Tera Fire Mind Blown Blacephalon
so wed get shinies of mons we can already hunt and thered only be 4 ubs chosen to be given? 
chrome knot
tera fairy gleam ^-^
mighty stump
so wed get shinies of mons we can already hunt and thered only be 4 ubs chosen t...
Oh that's what you meant
Shiny ruins and the fucken box legends
or DLC legends
Korai/Mirai/Ogerpon/Terapagos make up four
craggy dagger
tera fairy gleam ^-^
252 SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Tera Ice Miraidon Tera Blast (80 BP) vs. 252 HP / 84 SpD Assault Vest Rillaboom: 224-266 (108.2 - 128.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Tera Ice Miraidon Tera Blast (80 BP) vs. 252 HP / 84 SpD Assault Vest Rillaboom: 168-200 (81.1 - 96.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
second one is without hadron engine 
chrome knot
i dont care abt these calcs babe
spiral ridge
Salt
craggy dagger
too bad boltbeam miraidon > fairy miraidon
spiral ridge
chrome knot
good thing its time to lose to low kick hands ig
craggy dagger
okay that’s a lie
craggy dagger
good thing its time to lose to low kick hands ig
good thing low kick iron hands is already dead .-.
craggy dagger
awe nvm
252 SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Tera Ice Miraidon Draco Meteor vs. 156 HP / 252 SpD Assault Vest Iron Hands: 153-180 (61.4 - 72.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
spiral ridge
OH YOU MEANT YOUD KILL IT 😭
craggy dagger
what’s stopping me from faking out or speed creeping slow hands and low kicking myself 
spiral ridge
Power move ig?
craggy dagger
100+ Atk Quark Drive Iron Hands Low Kick (120 BP) vs. 76 HP / 60 Def Tera Ice Miraidon: 260-308 (140.5 - 166.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
i don’t have to tera
spiral ridge
Was about to say that lol
craggy dagger
100+ Atk Iron Hands Low Kick (120 BP) vs. 76 HP / 60 Def Miraidon: 102-120 (55.1 - 64.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
100+ Atk Quark Drive Iron Hands Low Kick (120 BP) vs. 76 HP / 60 Def Miraidon: 130-154 (70.2 - 83.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
n not everyone is bringing hands
craggy dagger
no like not everyone has hands on the team
chrome knot
+1 156+ Def Zamazenta-Crowned Body Press vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Tera-Ice Miraidon: 224-266 (127.2 - 151.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
craggy dagger
my bulk is being ignored help
spiral ridge
The bulk never existed
craggy dagger
also p sure mirai can dent zama
spiral ridge
Volt switch
craggy dagger
what’s the common uh
spiral ridge
Oh dent I read deny
craggy dagger
Special defense spread for zamazenta
chrome knot
hello rilla variant how are you today
craggy dagger
rilla variant?
chrome knot
rilla on zam
craggy dagger
252 SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Tera Ice Miraidon Tera Blast (80 BP) vs. 252 ...
do i have to bring this up again
chrome knot
ok so tera and now ill sit on you
craggy dagger
yeah but you won’t sit on my right away
chrome knot
ur specs locked into dealing virtually no damage to zamazenta
craggy dagger
and who’s to say i don’t have redirect on the side 
chrome knot
ok for this colourful text chat pokemon of anything goes i plaayyyyy
hmmm stalwart archuladon @ body press :v
craggy dagger
+6 252+ SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Overheat guaranteed OHKO
chrome knot
nuts
uhmmmm hold on
i turn you into this cat
well now how are you gonna play vgc ur a stinky cat and its bath time :/
craggy dagger
anyways nini
.-.
solid frigate
Is choice scarf miraidon a good check for kyogre, little worried about tera grou...
Excuse me,SCARF MIRAIDON???
Buddy you forfeited a lot of damage here
chrome knot
SAVE ME PLEASE LMAO
mighty stump
If you're a large animal then i'm even more inclined
chrome knot
nooo we’re just friendly sheep :<
modern harbor
i turn you into this cat
cool car
chrome knot
thanks
can i show you my face again i look kinda cute tn
this the 4 hours of showdown into the 2 hours of tcglive type look
modern harbor
again? girl i ain't seen it
chrome knot
oh !! my god i thought i did
mighty stump
THis entire time i've been playing neutral natured Whimsicott
chrome knot
anyway look pm
mighty stump
anyway look pm
send it so I can 💉
chrome knot
yonow who else speed ties scarf bascu
mighty stump
💉
solid frigate
It's annoying Talonflame actually speed ties Scarf Basc
wait it actually does?
mighty stump
wait it actually does?
Adamant Basc
@chrome knot I hard counter rain
Lmao
I'm so proud
solid frigate
Adamant Basc
ah ok
mighty stump
Dunno if I'm starting to be convinced maybe Hecidueye isn't a fraud after all
I'm more neutral about it
cyan smelt
triple arrows is no joke
molten oasis
Time to cook Baxtales again
(It’s the only time I felt like snow was useful)
https://pokepast.es/f7e6009c307a2380 what could/should I add to this
rustic mountain
I'm more neutral about it
im honestly coming around to it not being completely mid as well. it does need pretty specific set up to be effective tho
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
mighty stump
im honestly coming around to it not being completely mid as well. it does need p...
Upper Hand made me feel more inclined with it, then it also has Haze
molten oasis
poison Tera ig
rustic mountain
yea i faced an upper hand 1 the other day haha
molten oasis
I’m still under the impression of it being mid
What speed does miracle seed rilla hit?
molten oasis
why does everyone I touch suck man
mighty stump
What speed does miracle seed rilla hit?
I have it faster than modest Pelipper but it might be useful to go faster than Timid unless you wanna use Defensive Teras
Bo3 ladder not bad atm so that's been nice. I think Volcarona's best item is Covert Cloak
mighty stump
Have you tried CB
molten oasis
no
mighty stump
Try CB.
molten oasis
Alr
cyan smelt
What happened to the loaded dice set
mighty stump
CB is my own creation
molten oasis
Are the evs just max max?
molten oasis
Ok
mighty stump
Just click Glaive Rush into anything that doesn't resist it
Don't even bother doing defensive switching unless you really need to
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/6fa086d9d5e49560 admittedly I think the Bloodmoon is not good, this look like, fine beyond that?
mighty stump
Ice Shard over Ice Fang my g
mighty stump
BM Ursa looksa bit out of place but you can run something like Electabuzz
Redirection + decent into Rain
molten oasis
Sure, I like electabuzz
mighty stump
And anti Lillikoal to some degree
molten oasis
Yea, wasn’t sure on harc but I think harc is nice for torkoal, so I kinda wanna commit to it being bulky
Anyway ill try this out, ty
tr and tw feels like an auto loss, awesome
mighty stump
What variations
tame glade
How do I get it to display that info though
gentle cragBOT
OOPS! The message you are trying to quote doesn't exist!
Check if the channel and message exists.
mighty stump
Okay well click that anyways and it has all the instructions
tame glade
Thank you muchly
molten oasis
nvm I’m just playing horrendously
mighty stump
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mighty stump
You can delete Sand by suing Rilla/Baxcal lead and just Glaive Rush the Ttar slot while using Tera
Against Farigiraf stuff you probably just have to set up with Gholdengo + Electabuzz then go from there
For Torkoal stuff you can probably just trade away Arcanine for something with Taunt so you can also lead something to just stop TR and force a 50/50 between Baxcal + Taunt
cyan smelt
Is bax usually ice body or thermal exchange, I need to know before I try and wisp it lol
mighty stump
Although that depends on Baxcal as well
mighty stump
Is bax usually ice body or thermal exchange, I need to know before I try and wis...
Thermal
It's only Ice Body on Snow teams
ANd that's only if it plans on setting up
cyan smelt
Oh well the dirge ignores stat boosts anyway but I don't want to be making it stronger
mighty stump
Like Ice Body/Lefties/Rillaboom support can be pretty nice behind Screens
Well
Yea
molten oasis
Man this, mm
1100’s baybee, not tilt queing, a tad annoyed I just lost 4 games in a row to talonflame/murkrow dengo and then something along the lines of dozo or sand or incin
this feels so clunky
mighty stump
Lemme try something
molten oasis
Okay?
mighty stump
Ill make something and see how far it gets
mighty stump
Also have you considered Mamoswine
molten oasis
Sorta
I’ve looked at it I’m just not sure how I feel about it
Bax feels, honestly it feels kinda bad but I bet it’s just me playing poorly rn
cyan smelt
Isn't it slower than rilla and gholdengo, Mamo I mean
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
molten oasis
usable bulk, oblivious is a nice ability
Typing unfortunately sucks defensively
Which you could help with thick fat
cyan smelt
Would still struggle against rain teams
molten oasis
I don’t think a9 itself is bad I just, man the partners are throwing me for a loop
It’s a combination of me playing like shit and then just feeling unable to do anything against any forms of speed control
mighty stump
Would still struggle against rain teams
Ice/Ground is pretty nice and if you go Tera-Steel in Snow Pelipper can;t hit you
cyan smelt
True I keep forgetting about tera
midnight bison
i got a duraludon with atk iv of 1/31, is that good enough
or is it important that it’s 0
mighty stump
Yes. Foul Play isn't prevalent at the moment and Archa isn't really a target for that move.
At most you'd be concerned about Confusion from Hurricane but you have a +ve matchup into Pelipper anyways
31/31/ wouldn't have been a problem either
molten oasis
What kind?
mighty stump
idk anything lol
molten oasis
1 sec
mighty stump
Nevermind I just made one randomly
molten oasis
Primarina @ Leftovers
Ability: Liquid Voice
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 172 HP / 76 Def / 188 SpA / 36 SpD / 36 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Hyper Voice
- Moonblast
- Calm Mind
- Protect
Op- ok
Oh great I missed play rough in a winning position
Almost brought it back too damn
cyan smelt
Does long reach avoid triggering stamina?
mighty stump
Does long reach avoid triggering stamina?
No, it’s not contact based
If you’re hit by any attack then Stamina triggers
molten oasis
Recovered some elo, I’ll probably stop there today
knotty mirage
Is it better to give hisiuan devidueye close combat or triple arrow for the fighting move coverage ?
cyan smelt
Triple arrows because of the additional effects
knotty mirage
Okay yeah actually even tho close combat have more fire power triple arrow doesn't really have any downside and can makes next attack hit even more harder or to nulify stamina all together
boreal musk
Is there a site about meta teams?
rugged bear
Is there a site about meta teams?
pikalytics/munchstats/labmaus
boreal musk
can maybe someone send me comp team?
foggy lodge
Is there a site about meta teams?
I check Victory road
pseudo zinc
Haven’t thought about moves or evs yet but what do you think of the mons
https://pokepast.es/7bb372c32abddd37
rugged bear
pretty basic but reg g is over. so you cant play the team anyways
mighty stump
Okay yeah actually even tho close combat have more fire power triple arrow doesn...
Best to run it with crit item as well
nocturne holly
Is it better to give hisiuan devidueye close combat or triple arrow for the figh...
Triple arrows is OP
But decidueye mid
mighty stump
I think it's awkward and needs a specific set of members rather than be splashable
nocturne holly
Mhm
Decidueye is only scary the first I faced it
😔I didn’t know scrappy was a thing
And triple arrows
polar canyon
And triple arrows
Crit + defense drop instantly
They really had to give it scrappy + a move with 3 secondary effects to make up for the mid stats
nocturne holly
Crit + defense drop instantly
It’s all fun and games till you get defense dropped, crit, and flinched in the same turn bro
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
nocturne holly
Moonguss walls it pretty well
yea but terrible typing
Peli fodder
60 base spe is not good
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
nocturne holly
Actually jolly could outspeed modest peli
polar canyon
And then do what
polar nest
https://pokepast.es/109f4a0f8c39acc4 i built this trick room clawizter team, but i think it could be better. I'm kind of a noob at competitive pokemon so i came here to ask for help
mighty stump
Probably wouldn't be using Scope Lens
AV/Life Orb would be better.
If not Mystic Water for STAB
Psychic Noise over plain Psychic imo for Annihilape
Pelipper with Focus Sash is max max spe spa timid/modest
polar nest
ok
mighty stump
Hoodra needs leftovers and doesn't have space to randomly run Dragon Cheer and Draco Meteor. Acid Armor/Body Press/Heavy Slam/Life Dew or Protect
Tera Fairy would also be a better defensive Tera
mighty stump
Yeah you're using up too much resources and not letting your mons be self-sufficient enough to function if your gimmick attempt fails
Like that's a Tera, item slot, a move slot, and requires both mons to be set up on the field, then have TR to actually benefit since Clawitzer is so slow
Weather Ball over Hydro Pump
polar nest
so dump dragon cheer?
mighty stump
Okay, lemme just redo this for you
polar nest
ok thanks (:
mighty stump
What are these random EVs on Sinistcha for
mighty stump
Remember to EV with intention. Dumping only SpDef EVs here only improve it's Special Bulk but if you just dump it in HP you're essentially investing in both Phys/Special
mighty stump
You should read this thread.
https://x.com/DamoVGC/status/1820469946482364855
Twitter
dull ibex
vc?
mighty stump
Sure, give me a moment.
mighty stump
https://pokepast.es/909b927f54d4cc62 @polar nest
- Changed Clawitzer's Item and moveset
- Changed Psychic to Psychic Noise to help stop Annihlape from hitting Farigiraf
- Changed Hoodra's set
- Changed Pelipper's EVs and Tera.
- I'm not touching Sinistcha so you can redo it on your own.
polar canyon
Hi tofu
mighty stump
Hello.
polar canyon
Remember that team that looked weird I made?
mighty stump
Sure.
polar canyon
I heard you I'm getting rid of mandibuzz and changing the palafin set
Cant decide on the 6th slot now tho
I do need something better for hydreigon
mighty stump
I like Hydreigon + Electabuzz if you plan on playing setup.
polar nest
alr bet, both sinistcha and goodra have lefties tho, so do i give sinistcha miracle seed?
mighty stump
Sitrus, Rocky Helmet, Mental Herb etc
polar canyon
I thought about it but I already have setup on sinistcha and volcarona so I figured maybe it would be too much setup
mighty stump
I'd probably play it more defensively.
Just as a warning, this team seems fairly slow to get going as well.
polar nest
Just as a warning, this team seems fairly slow to get going as well.
ive never really done TR tbh, i was gonna try this and see if i liked it
polar canyon
Just having ttar has been pretty good for dealing with weather teams
I like it and it's not underwhelming damage even without an offensive item or nature
Actually it's an offensive nature
molten oasis
I’m just not playing a9 cuz everything I make with it just has some insane gaping hole of a weakness
It felt better in restricted
I give up man this fucking sucks
chrome knot
what
chrome knot
bc out of the 4 weather options its the worst
chrome knot
no bc ur only useful combo with it is a move that doesn’t work if i take weather lmao
molten oasis
it’s also, the only weather condition I care for this format cuz rain is not fun and I don’t really like sand so guess I’m just a dengo balance guy
Fast veil setter when the rest of the setters are 60 or less base speed is also awful tbf
chrome knot
fast veil setter when i switch my weather mon in
molten oasis
Nothing I can do
Weathers too strong which puts a9 at a weakness
oh well guess it wasn’t meant to be and I’m just gonna be playing dengo balance for 4 months
bold geode
So Pokemon amirite
tiny peak
Casual singles team rayquaza/corviknight/zacian tera water/swampert /miraidon, don't need much help except which ogerpon to use, grass/fire or grass/water I was using the water cause it backs up zacian corv and miraidon but is the grass fire better?
chrome knot
hi we play competitive doubles
tiny peak
@chrome knot yeah didn't ask that what you played just about ogerpon thank you
gentle cragBOT
<@224303371564220418> yeah didn't ask that what you played just about ogerpon th...
ryukage118 has given 1 Gen Rep to setsumizi
chrome knot
you don’t play the same format as us so how can i help
also “causal singles” you’re just gonna find drooling children with 6 legendaries so gl with that lmao
tiny peak
Again I didn't asked if you specifically could help, I asked ogerpon that's it, if you can't help don't reply lol if someone can then they reply
About ogerpon
bold geode
chrome knot
you go giggleshitter
bold geode
Go giggleshitter
mighty stump
<@250386799363489808> are u sleepin soon
Nah not at all
I'm writing up the Reg H blogpost
chrome knot
ouh
bold geode
come join so stop me from procrastinnating
procrastinates even harder
bold geode
i hungwy and need breakfast
Dw girl, giggleshitter got you
molten oasis
i don’t understand your mental
I’m frustrated that a Mon I like doesn’t work what’s the issue there?
mighty stump
It's understandable to be frustrated.
Sometimes it does sound as if you just want to quit VGC though
molten oasis
I mean I don’t, I’m just facing the harsh reality of the game again
molten oasis
With favorites just typically being pretty bad
craggy dagger
I’m frustrated that a Mon I like doesn’t work what’s the issue there?
welcome to the pain i feel whenever i try to make teams .-.
bold geode
Tbf I think Tyo even said himself this Reg ain't fun 
molten oasis
welcome to any game with a defined meta
Thank you
bold geode
Wow Emma rep farming
Mods get her
chrome knot
With favorites just typically being pretty bad <:oldmanshrug:740843258468499518>
my favourite is literally unusable in any regard lmfao
molten oasis
I’m well aware the meta is gonna be meta, I still wanna try Yk?
bold geode
my favourite is literally unusable in any regard lmfao
Bitch try using Infernape then 
chrome knot
i lost to an infernape @ my first regional
molten oasis
At least the stuff I’m on is stuff I like, I like dengo he’s cool
bold geode
You're joking
molten oasis
On paper I feel like a9 would have been fine but eh
bold geode
Emma this was Gen 9?
chrome knot
yes
craggy dagger
latias fell off so hard 
bold geode
How did you even manage that
chrome knot
latias fell off so hard <:Huohuo_Crying:1171751215604969523>
latias was a day 1-10 reg f feature
then everyone realized it was a fraud lmfao
bold geode
I miss Latinas
craggy dagger
latias was a day 1-10 reg f feature
yeah no shit that’s why i said it fell off .-.
chrome knot
idt it fell off it was just never great
craggy dagger
you also said it got lunar blessing when reg F started 
molten oasis
I mean I don’t, I’m just facing the harsh reality of the game again
To continue this briefly, I get how I sound, I don’t wanna quit, maybe I should, but the other competitive game option is apex which has, a terrible community and it’s just a bad game
craggy dagger
omg thats bc i miss read it!!!!
right /j
mighty stump
To continue this briefly, I get how I sound, I don’t wanna quit, maybe I should,...
Well at the end of the day, if you don't enjoy it, don't do it, cause then there is no point.
chrome knot
do you think abt me alot nova🥺
craggy dagger
and why do you remember that
i remember it cause it was my first server vc with you and ruby
bold geode
I mean it was good before tbh
But the thing is like
Everyone at start of Reg F had fucking fomo or whatever cuz they thought Raging Bolt just made Torn Shifu irrelevant so Tornadus bad ig
molten oasis
mhmm
mighty stump
Like this is in regards to anything you're doing with your free time, right
bold geode
Then people realized "oh hey Tornadus still good"
craggy dagger
you were hunting shiny popplio at the time too
chrome knot
what the
molten oasis
Like this is in regards to anything you're doing with your free time, right
Yea, this is how I spend some of my free time
chrome knot
did i get it…?
craggy dagger
did i get it…?
not female but yes
bold geode
Emma got a stinky certification for damn sure though
craggy dagger
i don’t remember that much
bold geode
Emma forgor like I forgor I had her Maus
chrome knot
love ball :3
molten oasis
idk man, maybe I’m playing due to not having anything better to do, maybe not
bold geode
Mfer doesn't have a life, vibes
molten oasis
molten oasis
Mfer doesn't have a life, vibes
I don’t live close to my friends I mean
bold geode
All my friends got way tf away from where I'm at
Not much going on in this small town
molten oasis
I’m trying to fix that, and I will, just takes time
bold geode
I enjoy this game, I enjoy the community, and I also enjoy doing dumb shit lmao
bold geode
I’m trying to fix that, and I will, just takes time
Also btw Azumarill eeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
molten oasis
I also enjoy the game, I don’t hate the game and I get I sound like I do, this meta sucks tho lol
Like it’s just kinda boring to play.
molten oasis
Also btw Azumarill eeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
?
craggy dagger
love ball :3
that was my guess
dull ibex
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2186202981 @bold geode @molten oasis 4 FISSURES
bold geode
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2186202981 <@8176280660200652...
Get fucked idiot
dull ibex
Get fucked idiot
I hate you
bold geode
Thank God, thought you liked me for a sec
tiny peak
Grass/fire ogerpon vs grass/water ogerpon who yall got as better
dull ibex
Thank God, thought you liked me for a sec
my new balance team is cool
atomic mural
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2186202981 <@8176280660200652...
damn
bold geode
my new balance team is cool
Show bitch
dull ibex
Show bitch
molten oasis
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2186202981 <@8176280660200652...
Crazy
bold geode
https://pokepast.es/520af697a4488ce0
I'm dying over that fucking Rilla spread
atomic mural
https://pokepast.es/520af697a4488ce0
tera grass for stab spore 💪
dull ibex
I'm dying over that fucking Rilla spread
what
tiny peak
@molten oasis you play any singles?
craggy dagger
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2186202981 <@8176280660200652...
that’s no guard isn’t it
bold geode
<@465881273454559252> you play any singles?
Imma be honest bro, we usually have doubles going around this channel and not really singles so like it's gonna be hard finding singles advice here if at all
craggy dagger
so fissure will always hit
tiny peak
@bold geode yeah I'm asking in other channels, but we need a channel for singles then
molten oasis
Just go to a different discord server
dull ibex
for singles?
molten oasis
Yes
craggy dagger
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2186202981 <@8176280660200652...
cause regen on zong -> no guard on zong -> no guard on dondozo
no guard means fissure won’t miss
dull ibex
you can ask about singles here
bold geode
Sadly idk if that will happen
Hell our main comp helper Tofu worked his ass off to get this channel running and it kinda is like in the alleyway in terms of attention sometimes or feels like it at least
craggy dagger
so you weren’t unlucky-
you just got fucked by no guard is all
dull ibex
<@817628066020065280> yeah I'm asking in other channels, but we need a channel f...
we don't need a singles specific channel, the main format of comp is doubles
bold geode
Idk if we Garner enough singles attention tbh
dull ibex
but we have a few singles players here
mighty stump
We used to have separate channels for different formats but there was just not enough traffic to warrant separate channels.
You're better off finding singles help in more competitive focused discords.
tiny peak
I get doubles is more popular but should be a room for us casual/singles players to talk without negativity because we play that way, at least that's how it's coming off
dull ibex
you can try smogon's discord for singles specific
atomic mural
mighty stump
I'm sorry you feel that way. However, this is still a mainline game focused server.
The competitive section is smaller and it tends to then only revolve around the official esports format.
So again, you probably are better off finding a singles/competitive focused discord rather than staying in here.
dull ibex
im sorry if you face negativity!
tiny peak
Lol there's singles in your mainline game, crazy thing is I'm not even asking for competitive help just type match ups like which ogerpon is better for the team
molten oasis
We wouldn’t know cuz we don’t know what the meta in singles is
mighty stump
Okay, cool. I don't understand how to make it any more clearer singles isn't the focus of the mainline games competitive.
If you're asking for type matchups, that's contextual based on the team, format, and the metagame of said format.
And if you're asking about basic typings, refer to the typing chart.
I'm not TPCi. I'm not the one making these decisions. Go take it up with them.
molten oasis
Maybe you should be 
craggy dagger
Lol there's singles in your mainline game, crazy thing is I'm not even asking fo...
hi-
.-.
i have some singles knowledge if you need help-
Tofu i hope uh
you don’t mind if i help them-
.-.
tiny peak
@craggy dagger I have a post in battle stadium explaining better if you wanna talk there
craggy dagger
sure
rustic mountain
mighty stump
<a:peepoEnter:689511904745750562>
What is up loser
rustic mountain
jus read new jjk chp
rustic mountain
i honestly dont know how to feel about ||nobaras return atm|| but im glad things are wrapping up
mighty stump
Ig
But || Nobara was never confirmed to be dead and by Chekov's Gun she was probably going to come back somehow ||
rustic mountain
its jus like weve had so long since ||her "death" it almost feels ridiculous to throw her back in at this point, im glad shes alive tho i liked her character and theres been some good moments b/w yuji and sukuna these last few chps||
mighty stump
I like || How she says Opappi like how Yuji returned ||
|| The only thing I'm wondering about is the speed at which they filled her in and asked her to put this plan in motion but I chalk it up to the fact that they were working on her recovery intensely and planned around it ||
rustic mountain
|| The only thing I'm wondering about is the speed at which they filled her in a...
yea bruh ||30 min since she woke up they gave her like no time haha but she clearly dont give af and yea im assuming the recovery process was long enough and thorough that other then mental it prolly wasnt too large a hurdle. also seemed like a last ditch so they mightve not even known how effective itd b or if itd pan out||
lot of this fight has just been ||throwing hail marys, idk why this would be different||
mighty stump
yea bruh ||30 min since she woke up they gave her like no time haha but she clea...
I like how people were || saying how they asspulled resonance on this unbreakable cursed object but they literally stated a few pages before that a binding vow to focus on the application of the technique and ignore destruction of the object lets it work potentially||
rustic mountain
i think ppl dont understand the restriction/cursed technique system as well as they think
mighty stump
Also || Against the ultimate being of the verse, I think hail marys are warranted. Although the one thing I have to accept about JJK is that it started out on a premise that Gege didn't like in the first place (school setting) cause of his first editor hence why it feels a bit of a mess I think ||
rustic mountain
Also || Against the ultimate being of the verse, I think hail marys are warrante...
i didnt say it wasnt warranted, moreso a justification for my point that ||the nobara strat was also a hail mary||
mighty stump
ANother thing is || I don't know how i feel about Binding Vows as a writing device since it feels like an deus ex machina thing but I get it as well. Imo the cursed technique system is very creative with how the techs are displayed but i think the interactions and nuances can be clearly more defined||
mighty stump
i didnt say it wasnt warranted, moreso a justification for my point that ||the n...
Oh yeah
rustic mountain
but yea he had yuta as the mc haha and jjk high was a government agency
he hates his 1st editor 
chrome knot
this conversation is like a scratch n sniff book lmfao
rustic mountain
ANother thing is || I don't know how i feel about Binding Vows as a writing devi...
youve read hxh right? i think the nen system tho complex is much better explained and displayed by togashi
mighty stump
he hates his 1st editor <:budgetgachichamp:912162925836398652>
The comics are so funny
mighty stump
youve read hxh right? i think the nen system tho complex is much better explaine...
Hell yeah, the funny thing is with JJK ending its an Equivalent Exchange for HxH's return LOL
Overall though, JJK is definitely one of my favourite series
It's fun to me
and I like their aesthetic at least
rustic mountain
theres some similarities with the vows/restrictions but i feel like hxh did a better job of showing those trade offs take place outside of just this is what the restriction is
nd even just the system itself i feel like was more thoroughly explained in hxh
mighty stump
I think with Binding Vows, the trade-offs don't necessarily have to be equivalent and I guess that's where the confusion stems from. Since the vow itself isn't judging the trade-off and it's up to the skill of the user to then decide the appropriate use, timing, and sacrifice
rustic mountain
Overall though, JJK is definitely one of my favourite series
its solid to me, like aot level. great premise that was a bit all over the place and i didnt fully love how things played out
craggy dagger
this conversation is like a scratch n sniff book lmfao
you’re not alone
rustic mountain
I think with Binding Vows, the trade-offs don't necessarily have to be equivalen...
yea thats fair, i think the issue is lack of clarification. gege doesnt really like to explain much and while it can be passable in most cases sometimes its like a bit of confirmation on things would be nice
mighty stump
Yeah I agree
rustic mountain
not necessarily spoon feeding but theres a balance
mighty stump
I;m also wondering about ||Hakari and Uraume||
And honestly || a lot of the deaths make it feel like you can wrap JJK up in a neat little bow afterwards. Like those characters did they job and are done and mostly were used to scale up the main fight imo ||
Another underrated thing was || allowing some sorcerers to opt out of trying to fight Sukuna so you can essentially just stop thinking about them ||
rustic mountain
I;m also wondering about ||Hakari and Uraume||
maybe we flash to them next chp briefly? ||idk i mean that whole fights prolly gta be skipped over at this point haha we have 4 chp left||
mighty stump
maybe we flash to them next chp briefly? ||idk i mean that whole fights prolly g...
|| They just be smashing ||
The memes are so funny
rustic mountain
rustic mountain
Another underrated thing was || allowing some sorcerers to opt out of trying to ...
lmao ||miguel and that other guy pull up for 2 seconds and are like umm yea nah we out||
tho that other guy did cause some disruption
mighty stump
lmao ||miguel and that other guy pull up for 2 seconds and are like umm yea nah ...
LOL
Yea
|| Noritoshi be like "hell nah I aint fighting Sukuna ||
mighty stump
Fr
rustic mountain
for most of the ppl in the fight ||it was a suicide mission||
mighty stump
|| Props to Kusakabe for throwing hands with Sukuna ||
chrome knot
|| my balls itch ||
rustic mountain
yea that was kinda cool
mighty stump
You know what's kinda wild, || Overall theres only 5 special grades in the entire manga ||
rustic mountain
You know what's kinda wild, || Overall theres only 5 special grades in the entir...
whose the 5th? ||gojo, yuta, yuki and geto||
mighty stump
whose the 5th? ||gojo, yuta, yuki and geto||
|| Sukuna is classified as a Special Grade ||
mighty stump
|| King of Curses ||
chrome knot
[2;37mWhimsicott @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Prankster
Level: 50
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 236 HP / 164 SpD / 108 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Moonblast
- Tailwind
- Light Screen
- Encore
[0m
wouldve liked some kind of flashback showing us a bit more on his rise and shit
mighty stump
wouldve liked some kind of flashback showing us a bit more on his rise and shit
Yeah, I think that would have been nice
Granted we got tidbits but otherwise its left up to just a lot of speculation
rustic mountain
very small amount haha ||the reveal him and yuji are related was like the biggest lore we have on him and that was so recent||
ofc the speculation for that was already there but still
mighty stump
Literally
|| Sukuna was like: maybe ill do it ig just because it's funny ||
And is basically the entire reason for the endgame right now
rustic mountain
yea but he already wanted to right?
mighty stump
I guess that's what ||Kenjaku meant||
I don't think he was fully convinced and just wanted to like
Fight
But after his death
rustic mountain
haha ig, sukuna already wanted to see ||the merger come to fruition to fight w/e the fuck tengen became||
mighty stump
He thought it would be amusing to commit and
chrome knot
tofuuuuuuuuu
mighty stump
Fucking ||battle nerd||
mighty stump
tofuuuuuuuuu
yes balls
chrome knot
wanna play a set
chrome knot
reg h i bored
mighty stump
ok
chrome knot
send chal to sunblossomgirl
chrome knot
rustic mountain
got top 500 w/ overqwil 
craggy dagger
mrrrp?
rustic mountain
?
craggy dagger
https://tenor.com/view/bunny-sleepy-gooba-owa-owaowa-gif-2311503198775714764
oh oh
Emma
i made um
usagi ringos :3
chrome knot
shoowwwww
craggy dagger
um
i already ate them hehe
midnight bison
how important is it for a dragapult to have a 0atk iv
like if it was just less than 10 or smth is that enough
mighty stump
Not somethign you want since Dragapult is meant to be a physical attacker lol
midnight bison
not always
mighty stump
Not always if you want a worse version sure
midnight bison
im saying this because i want to understand why you think its only good as physical
i dont know enough abt the game to be making arguments im just saying its been used
mighty stump
CB Tera Blast Ghost + DDarts is just far more consistent output off a better base stat especially when U-Turn comes into play for better flow in Balance comps.
mighty stump
It becomes a Physical move if your Attack stat is higher post-Tera.
chrome knot
um
i already ate them hehe
wtfffff and you didn’t share :(
rustic mountain
ik some ppl have been opting for specs pult in reg h but i agree w/ tofu i dont see the reason why band wouldnt just be better in most cases
mighty stump
ik some ppl have been opting for specs pult in reg h but i agree w/ tofu i dont ...
Mfw you have a very solid team but you have to start figuring out other matchups
Can I just matchup dodge
Lol
midnight bison
ik some ppl have been opting for specs pult in reg h but i agree w/ tofu i dont ...
prolly just the role it fits in the team
the one im using i got from another player, and its arch + rain
and they just use dragapult to nuke trickroom or tailwind
or whatever threat
rustic mountain
Mfw you have a very solid team but you have to start figuring out other matchups
wats the annoying mu
mighty stump
Like I have 80/20 favoured for me MU into Rain
Then Psyspam Lillikoal shows up and im like oh god damn it
Dozo is mixed, I'm usually ok unless really bad RNG goes my way
Problem is when you don't necessarily "feel" the bad MU and you're like ok
Where do you go from there
rustic mountain
the one im using i got from another player, and its arch + rain
still feel like band would just be better, its atk stat is a decent amount higher and the only issue of an inconsistent ghost move is fixed w/ tera blast
mighty stump
I think Phantom Force is a good move if you can use it well
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
rustic mountain
Where do you go from there
yea i think it depends how unplayable the mu is into those other comps and if theres anything u can do like move or tera wise that can help patch it
rustic mountain
I think Phantom Force is a good move if you can use it well
agreed, i just meant moreso its not ur only option as a ghost move
mighty stump
Yeah the thing is I've been generally "fine" into the MUs at a consistent rate so im like
? ? ? limbo
rustic mountain
hahah id say just keep it as it is then if they arent overtly problematic if ur other mus are 60/40 + ik u said rain was 80/20 in ur favor
ur good into ape and tw stuff?
rustic mountain
tr if its not psyspam?
rustic mountain
rustic mountain
is it like a line or a mon specifically
mighty stump
A mon + with specific setup
rustic mountain
the overqwil team im playing is rain based one of the harder mus is whims sun but idt thats wat u mean
chrome knot
balls
nocturne holly
Bruh I’m scrolling up and so many spoiler and jjk talk it was like shit was redacted 😭😭
mighty stump
No its not
Not Weather related but that’s a good area to think about to stop Archa as well
Denial of EShot + BPress boosts = It’s kinda there
rustic mountain
yea if its well played enough its incredibly disruptive
rustic mountain
that also works
i gta figure out wtf i want to opt into for the sept global challenge
chrome knot
your team is scary tofu
rustic mountain
chrome knot
we played set of game and it was good methink
mighty stump
Yeah good insight
Oh you mean the team
Yeah I think its p solid just needs some smoothening
I feel if i figure out a condensed line into some of the MUs
It’s pretty much perfect
rustic mountain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeYVRtZOrgA
some post worlds analysis if any1 cares
chrome knot
nj!!!
chrome knot
wowa kieran team sucks
mighty stump
Wait that’s literally Kieran’s 6
chrome knot
yes
last nexus
Yes wanne learn to battle with kieran team
chrome knot
why
last nexus
It's for fun and love the team and everything
torn parrot
Oh my gawd
chrome knot
gm maya
torn parrot
I can’t beleive they made tera normal dragon dance e speed drgaonite the 7 star raid
Thats hilarious
nocturne holly
wait all the hydreigon blursa team do they run like focus energy hydrei or like tw hydrei
chrome knot
psychic terrain
torn parrot
Good mornin
I’m gonna be using a tera fairy farigiraf uwu
Haha just kidding
Obvi I’m just gonna be spamming annilape
Like every other raid
chrome knot
im gonna pass on that raid tbh
last nexus
Can someone tell how the ev spread is
torn parrot
I have all mighty mark pokemon and I’m not gonna stop now
wispy spade
how bad of an idea is poison hydreigon?
torn parrot
Oh wow
wispy spade
i have enough gholdengo answers i think
maybe i'll be proven wrong when i actually play it though, we'll see
solid frigate
team?
wispy spade
this
mighty stump
team?
Just give the lad some EV spreads cause my brain is off atm
I’m sure you can correct basic spreads
last nexus
I had see some videos were someone beat a team with 3 legendary
solid frigate
I had see some videos were someone beat a team with 3 legendary
thats like.
Every VGC Players
torn parrot
I would legitimately watch an entire pokemon tv series that was just a tournament arc with accurate competitive rules
I would watch it for 20 seasons
wispy spade
how much speed does archaludon usually run?
last nexus
And this team is just for fun like just wanne know if the evs are at the right place I know there is not a right answer for that but still
solid frigate
how much speed does archaludon usually run?
i run 28 mostly but depends on the set
wispy spade
do the steel tera gholdengo run timid or modest?
solid frigate
do the steel tera gholdengo run timid or modest?
Depend on the Item,Timid for Specs and Modest for Everything else
solid frigate
What does 28 do
i just put the remain EVs when i done with Le Bulk
torn parrot
Ohh
wispy spade
solid frigate
https://pokepast.es/e7d52e193023fa2c
@last nexus its not great but here
torn parrot
I tried choice scarf adaptability Basculegion the other day and I was like
Damn is this 75% of what it’s like to play Urshifu
Iv never used water Urshifu
solid frigate
I tried choice scarf adaptability Basculegion the other day and I was like
Damn...
I like Swift Swim Basc with Band or Lorb
More reasons to use Pelipper
torn parrot
Ignoring protects sounds like pure bliss
wispy spade
i used clear amulet urshifu for a little bit and had a lot of success... imagine if i had an item
last nexus
https://pokepast.es/e7d52e193023fa2c
<@678337159777746946> its not great but he...
Thx you very much just wanne make it as competitive as possible that's all
gentle cragBOT
Thx you very much just wanne make it as competitive as possible that's all
tim258761 has given 1 Gen Rep to morrispxg456
solid frigate
Thx you very much just wanne make it as competitive as possible that's all
Also i hate how Kieran's Team has No Good Speed Control so i give Icy Wind Porygon Z and Thunder Wave Grimm
nocturne holly
What are y’all playing with rn
solid frigate
i used clear amulet urshifu for a little bit and had a lot of success... imagine...
Use Mystic Water-
Crit ignores Attack Drops
For Surging Strikes
wispy spade
Use Mystic Water-
Crit ignores Attack Drops
i only found that out after
pokemon so good it doesn't need an item
solid frigate
pokemon so good it doesn't need an item
not really,Sash Urshifu for Raging Bolt and Scarf helps against Faster Pokemon without TW
Mystic Water for More Damage and Safety Goggles for Amoonguss
mighty stump
What are y’all playing with rn
As usual I think a lot of people are holding their cards close to their chest atm
Me included kek
solid frigate
i think thats like Most of us here
I kinda don't really care about holding it cuz i kinda still experimenting
wispy spade
i just play for fun
mighty stump
I mean I still have my leagues hence why I can’t just publically let it out
last nexus
Also i hate how Kieran's Team has No Good Speed Control so i give Icy Wind Poryg...
@solid frigate im sure it's a dumb question but why do some of your names have VGC on it?
mighty stump
Otherwise it’d be free game
wispy spade
haze doesn't affect focus energy, right?
solid frigate
<@758873265053106217> im sure it's a dumb question but why do some of your names...
i just kinda put it here
Kinda like my VGC Name so that i won't show real names
Like Tofu for Example is WoodTofuVGC (Tofu is that your VGC name?)
nocturne holly
As usual I think a lot of people are holding their cards close to their chest at...
😔
Idk what to build with probably just gonna go basic and do blursa
last nexus
i just kinda put it here
Kinda like my VGC Name so that i won't show real names...
Ah oke I thought it was some sort of title or something haha
solid frigate
Idk what to build with probably just gonna go basic and do blursa
I mean if you want me to help on Basc then sure
torn parrot
i used clear amulet urshifu for a little bit and had a lot of success... imagine...
What the
dull ibex
im not sure I like having two redirectors
solid frigate
im not sure I like having two redirectors
2 redirectors are alright,its just which two?
dull ibex
2 redirectors are alright,its just which two?
amoongus and maus
mighty stump
i just kinda put it here
Kinda like my VGC Name so that i won't show real names...
It’s my user
harsh warren
I’m working on a body press zamazenta team anyone down to battle me?
mighty stump
Ah oke I thought it was some sort of title or something haha
It’s mainly just to show the format we’re playing
chrome knot
I mean I still have my leagues hence why I can’t just publically let it out
me whos helping ruby prep baltimore
dull ibex
I could tidy up the type doubling up too
torn parrot
don't question it, i'm noob
I used Urshifu once against my friend and just clicked one move the who time
And I looked and he had no evs
last nexus
It’s mainly just to show the format we’re playing
Oke thx for the info
gentle cragBOT
Oke thx for the info
You gave Gen Rep too recently. You can give Gen Rep again <t:1724441438:R>.
solid frigate
amoongus and maus
i don't see anything wrong here,Both do pretty different things for redirectors
dull ibex
i don't see anything wrong here,Both do pretty different things for redirectors
tofu mentioned that earlier
solid frigate
exactly nothing wrong
wispy spade
I used Urshifu once against my friend and just clicked one move the who time
A...
i have evs, currently trying very hard to make something functional 
dull ibex
torn parrot
i have evs, currently trying very hard to make something functional <:rooHappy:1...
You in G?
dull ibex
exactly nothing wrong
I said I didnt like it I didn't say it was bad tbf
wispy spade
H
torn parrot
Ohh
solid frigate
https://pokepast.es/86c015940f557bea
first time seeing Quick Guard for a while
wispy spade
sylveon is usable again, so i'm making a new team 
dull ibex
its goated (it's alright)
if two fire and grass types are an issue I can fix two fire types
solid frigate
its goated (it's alright)
its kinda not used too much but VGC has quite a lot of Priority Moves so its fair
dull ibex
amoongus and rilla on the same team is going to be an issue though
solid frigate
sylveon is usable again, so i'm making a new team <a:sylveonblelele:806804880907...
Sylveon Meow?
solid frigate
amoongus and rilla on the same team is going to be an issue though
then why not Replace Amoonguss? you are so close making an FWG Core
dull ibex
then why not Replace Amoonguss? you are so close making an FWG Core
I meant is not lmao
solid frigate
Ehhh idk its not a sun team so why not
wispy spade
then why not Replace Amoonguss? you are so close making an FWG Core
i have FWG and FDS
Fairy, Dragon, Steel
wispy spade
primarina?
dull ibex
idk maybe
wispy spade
or basculegion
dull ibex
big fat meh on basc
wispy spade
i don't know of any other water
dull ibex
its not good enough to just be water tyype tbh
prim is not a bad idea its bulkier isnt it?
solid frigate
its not good enough to just be water tyype tbh
Prima or Paldea Tauros?
Or Palafin?
dull ibex
palafin feels bad
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
harsh warren
Thoughts on this team: Zamazenta @ Rusted Shield
Ability: Dauntless Shield
Tera Type: Fighting
EVs: 252 HP / 132 Def / 108 SpD
Impish Nature
- Body Press
- Heavy Slam
- Wide Guard
- Protect
Urshifu-Rapid-Strike @ Focus Sash
Ability: Unseen Fist
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Aqua Jet
- Close Combat
- Surging Strikes
- Protect
Rillaboom @ Miracle Seed
Ability: Grassy Surge
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Grassy Glide
- U-turn
- Knock Off
- Protect
Flutter Mane @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Moonblast
- Shadow Ball
- Mystical Fire
- Protect
Incineroar @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 100 Def / 156 SpD
Careful Nature
- Fake Out
- Flare Blitz
- Parting Shot
- Snarl
Landorus-Therian @ Life Orb
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide
- Protect
- U-turn
solid frigate
Primarina Haze?
wispy spade
Primarina Haze?
yes
solid frigate
HOLY SHIT WORD WALL
dull ibex
Primarina @ Throat Spray
Ability: Liquid Voice
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Hyper Voice
- Dazzling Gleam
- Alluring Voice
- Protect
wispy spade
Primarina @ Throat Spray
Ability: Liquid Voice
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire ...
no speed at all?
solid frigate
no speed at all?
its 60 Base Speed-
dull ibex
Primarina @ Throat Spray
Ability: Liquid Voice
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 100 HP / 4 Def / 188 SpA / 4 SpD / 212 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Hyper Voice
- Dazzling Gleam
- Alluring Voice
- Protect
craggy dagger
huh
dull ibex
is that good enough LMAOOOOOO
wispy spade
i'll use 4 speed on sylveon to outspeed you then
dull ibex
<a:NOTED:770818381183844383> i'll use 4 speed on sylveon to outspeed you then <a...
tailwind:
wispy spade
i have one too
solid frigate
Thoughts on this team: Zamazenta @ Rusted Shield
Ability: Dauntless Shield
T...
there is loads of Problem in this team.
dull ibex
also what does outspeeding me do for you lmao
mighty stump
What even is the point of this back and forth
wispy spade
i dunno... fun?
dull ibex
Thoughts on this team: Zamazenta @ Rusted Shield
Ability: Dauntless Shield
T...
use pokepaste
dull ibex
What even is the point of this back and forth
how do you build prim btw
solid frigate
use pokepaste
even then there are loads of Problems
Where is Rain
harsh warren
What’s pokepaste
dull ibex
I meant evs but a good moveset helps too lmao
craggy dagger
Nova i can't look at the Zamazenta team word wall lmao
the what-
chrome knot
nova
wispy spade
What’s pokepaste
down there
dull ibex
I can't imagine speed investment is the right way to build prim lmao
next stump
if you have tailwind it can out speed a lot
if you’re running no tailwind then some speed can be nice since you’re tied with a lot
dull ibex
I am running tailwind
chrome knot
novaaaa
wispy spade
is it a good idea to have double tailwind? i have it on both hydreigon and whim
chrome knot
novaaaaa ^-^
dull ibex
solid frigate
https://pokepast.es/8cac57acdb3898ec
Coaching Hitmontop for Rillaboom and Talonflame?
or for Defense Boost
solid frigate
because it was a common move lmao
i mean if you want you can do that just for the defense Boost
dull ibex
no im okay with helping hand
solid frigate
ok
harsh warren
I changed Zamazenta to be 252 hp 252 def 4 speed
Impish nature
Thoughts on this: https://pokepast.es/b2fb83790b098b69
craggy dagger
novaaaaa ^-^
Emma
.-.
what is it you want
chrome knot
craggy dagger
<a:KissuNose:692926171771568149>
chrome knot
<a:STrickKiss:411002217659760640>
bwah kisy kisy
solid frigate
https://pokepast.es/434f075641246015
Zamazenta-Crowned @ Rusted Shield
Ability: Dauntless Shield
Level: 50
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 76 HP / 4 Atk / 228 Def / 132 SpD / 68 Spe
Impish Nature
- Body Press
- Heavy Slam
- Wide Guard
- Protect
wispy spade
how do you calculate minimum life orb damage taken?
solid frigate
how do you calculate minimum life orb damage taken?
1/10 amount of HP
Unless you have sheer force which does not care about it
chrome knot
Zamazenta-Crowned @ Rusted Shield
Ability: Dauntless Shield
Level: 50
Tera...
slow as hell what theee
solid frigate
i rather complain about Max HP Max Defense Zama more than Mine-
mighty stump
do i want a number divisible by 10?
You want 10n-1
wispy spade
so like 179?
gentle cragBOT
thank you <a:Love:817592720565862411>
smolsylveon has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu
sharp cobalt
Shiny Beldum with spe IV of 1, trick room setter/abuser 
Idc if its good or not, I justs like the option
chrome knot
speed doesn’t matter of the setter
sharp cobalt
yeah but Metagross is just slow enough that it cdan do stuff in TR as an abuser
Slap a room service on that bad pokemon and have fun
sharp cobalt
speed doesn’t matter of the setter<:GiggleHehe:674234945723432980>
Wait does that mean I hunted a 0 spe IV Indeedee-F shiny for NOTHIN
wispy spade
Wait does that mean I hunted a 0 spe IV Indeedee-F shiny for NOTHIN
trickroom always goes last, but 0 speed helps dazzling gleam
chrome knot
no thats not what i meant
tr is just -7 priority so anyone can click it itll be last lol
foggy lodge
Wait does that mean I hunted a 0 spe IV Indeedee-F shiny for NOTHIN
Helps to win terrain wars
dull ibex
I like offensive prim here ngl
chrome knot
Helps to win terrain wars
vs WHO indeedee is so slow
nocturne holly
Lol
Does normal ursaluna work on a more balance style team like blursa does
Or is blursa strictly better for that
Going for a kinda? patconish team
knotty mirage
Does body press or heavy slam affected by attack stat ?
Because i want to make a hisiuan goodra iron defence build
chrome knot
body press uses exclusively ur defence stat
knotty mirage
For heavy slam ?
knotty mirage
Hmm if my hisuian goodra have low attack IV will it affect my heavy slam damage then ?
chrome knot
why would you want a low attack iv…?
knotty mirage
Foul play
chrome knot
you are using moves that give +2 def and ur dragon/steel
that is BEYOND irrelevant bruh
knotty mirage
Fair enough
knotty mirage
Should i change anything or is this good enough ?
H goodra @ Leftover
Ability: Shell armor
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Sdef
Impish Nature
- Body press
- Shelter
- Heavy slam
- Life dew
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
knotty mirage
Shelter is probably for the best so i would not stuck on encore lock for 32 turn
tiny peak
Is miraidon or zacian tera water a good koraidon check?
knotty mirage
Depend on what format is it single or double
If it's double miraidon dazzling gleam tera fairy should do the trick
tiny peak
What about one on one miraidon vs koraidon, choice scarf miraidon?
knotty mirage
Dazzling gleam miraidon can always be good for koraidon check as long the korai don't tera
tiny peak
What do I do if it teras like fire
knotty mirage
What about one on one miraidon vs koraidon, choice scarf miraidon?
Are you talking about uber or battle stadium single anyway ?
chrome knot
Are you talking about uber or battle stadium single anyway ?
its unranked so anything goes
knotty mirage
Ah battle stadium single zacian probably would be better tera ground zacian with tera blast
knotty mirage
I think battle stadium
The best thing i could say if you play on battle stadium single probably better to use zacian with tera ground tera blast then it can counter both miraidon and koraidon if it's decided to tera into fire
tiny peak
How do you counter scarf koraidon just in case I run into that?
solid frigate
TR,
tiny peak
And if I don't run trick room?