#competitive_discussion
molten oasis
craggy dagger
cause if anything-
Drago is the hydra expert-
knotty briar
Or I just can't land hydro pump to save my life
craggy dagger
what. the. fuck
molten oasis
Noooooooo, that’s move is awful on Hydra
knotty briar
That explains it
knotty briar
Welp, now I know
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
knotty briar
Forget I said anything about the apple
molten oasis
If only Hydrapple didn’t have a poor typing
rustic mountain
ive seen a few hydrapple teams around
molten oasis
Aaaaand did you beat them?
rustic mountain
ye
molten oasis
Eh actually, Hydrapple doesn’t look, terrible, but it also barely does like, anything
molten oasis
It’s typing isn’t good lol
craggy dagger
4x resist electric water 
molten oasis
You get some nice 4x resistances but the weaknesses don’t help
craggy dagger
yeah fair enough
knotty briar
Hydrapple looks so fucking cool
I really wish it was better
craggy dagger
but don’t you usually run AV
fickle beam, giga drain/energy ball, earth power, pollen puff on hydra
molten oasis
Mm
rustic mountain
a lot of its weaknesses arent all that common
craggy dagger
a lot of its weaknesses arent all that common
at best we worry about dragon flying
fairy as well
rustic mountain
yea
craggy dagger
esp in reg H
molten oasis
Well, the moves are around
knotty briar
Oh yeah, no flutter mane
molten oasis
Well, I mean maybe i can get AV Hydra to work now?
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
rustic mountain
better chance w. hydrapple then a9
solid frigate
honestly you could make it work
craggy dagger
i mean what other pokemon is running a fairy move that’s not fairy type
knotty briar
Yeah
molten oasis
better chance w. hydrapple then a9
That’s actually crazy lmao
craggy dagger
at best you’d need to worry about archapeli and hurricane + draco meteor
solid frigate
i mean what other pokemon is running a fairy move that’s not fairy type
Sometimes BM Ursa but those are weird ass sets
molten oasis
hm, imma go explore it a little bit
craggy dagger
oh moonblast blood moon i forgot
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
rustic mountain
who tf is runnin moonblast bm
molten oasis
oh moonblast blood moon i forgot
Who the fuck is on moonblast Bloodmoon lol
knotty briar
Not me, I'll tell ya that
craggy dagger
you could also do lefties yawn hydra
molten oasis
I’ve already done that tho
craggy dagger
Who the fuck is on moonblast Bloodmoon lol
the showdown vgc room
there’s at least 10 people who just look for coverage
solid frigate
who tf is runnin moonblast bm
weird ASS Sets
knotty briar
I run hyper voice, bm, and earth power on ursaluna
solid frigate
there’s at least 10 people who just look for coverage
those are just weird ass sets
forest arrow
av sets run vacuum wave or moonblast
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
rustic mountain
for me bm has 4 moves it needs and its hard to justify moonblast. like sure fairy tera reverse the fighting weakness but how bout just play better
craggy dagger
vacuum wave was pretty popular when it first came out so
forest arrow
yeah give that thing life orb and call it a day
craggy dagger
rustic mountain
was it? i feel like even then vaccum wave wasnt all that common
solid frigate
Showdown VGC Chat room players are just like worse SV comp chats
knotty briar
av sets run vacuum wave or moonblast
As someone using trick room ursaluna in reg G, a part of my soul died reading this
rustic mountain
craggy dagger
yah
rustic mountain
weirdge
craggy dagger
i mean at the time
forest arrow
Yeah i just like the good ol life orb set
craggy dagger
that fairy coverage was cool cause of the bulk + special attack stats
knotty briar
like very early bloodmoon stuff
Ok I can see it on extremely early blood moon sets
molten oasis
164+ SpA Archaludon Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Hydrapple: 180-212 (84.5 - 99.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO neat
rustic mountain
im like all bulk on my arch lol
molten oasis
252+ SpA Hydrapple Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 68 SpD Assault Vest Archaludon: 92-110 (46.7 - 55.8%) -- 71.9% chance to 2HKO and that’s depressing asf
craggy dagger
rip
molten oasis
252 Atk Choice Band Tera-Water Palafin-Hero Wave Crash vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Hydrapple in Rain: 82-97 (38.4 - 45.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO that’s funny
knotty briar
252 Atk Choice Band Tera-Water Palafin-Hero Wave Crash vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Hydrap...
Hydrapple has hope again!
craggy dagger
electro shot bait switch with prima
knotty briar
How much does giga drain do to prima?
molten oasis
You’re kinda awful into peli archa, you probably explode to mausape
rustic mountain
its good into basic fwg but also what dragon isnt
molten oasis
Fickle beam is weird
rustic mountain
too rng dependant
craggy dagger
may i introduce
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
molten oasis
mm, what else exists in this format
knotty briar
Arcanine?
molten oasis
No
craggy dagger
why notttt
rustic mountain
lmao
molten oasis
consistency
craggy dagger
that’s now a 60% chance
also as long as you have a fast pledge user
the second pledge goes right after
molten oasis
let’s see what else is here
craggy dagger
no matter the speed
knotty briar
Doesn't H-Arcanine have potential
rustic mountain
also drago i think ur going about it a bit backwards, mons like a9 and hydrapple would be potential choices to fill mus or gaps in a team. starting with them as the centerpiece is awkward and makes it so u gta fit the other pieces around them when its the opposite
craggy dagger
Doesn't H-Arcanine have potential
molten oasis
also drago i think ur going about it a bit backwards, mons like a9 and hydrapple...
So I need to find a Mon to, pair it with?
I’m still looking at other shit
forest arrow
Frosmoth you wont
craggy dagger
i wanna bring back dancer
knotty briar
Whimsicott would be the main tailwind setter since Tornadus will be gone
craggy dagger
not the murkrow coming in to ruin whimsy’s day 
rustic mountain
not really what im saying. im saying moreso the type of mons that ur looking to start w/ are typically a kind of mon that fit onto a team for specific niche purposes (maybe less a9 but its still usually looked at as an enabler for teams). u need an actual team of cohesive choices that then ud slot an a9 or hydrapple esque option to help it patch a mu nd fill a gap the team is missing. ur starting with them and its not gna result in great choices cuz ur making it so the team has to fit around the niche instead of the niche fitting inside the team
molten oasis
lycaonroc 
forest arrow
Dusk or dawn
knotty briar
Fun fact
Did you know armor tail even blocks prankster moves?
Cuz I learned that today
molten oasis
Dawn
craggy dagger
Dusk or dawn
midday
molten oasis
Midday yea
forest arrow
Sand we likey
craggy dagger
wut dawn form lycanroc exists
molten oasis
Meh idk how much I like sand, or ttar
craggy dagger
what did i miss 
solid frigate
I mean you can ask others about Sand
craggy dagger
le panic-
forest arrow
beats peli drizzle
molten oasis
Ttar is a g you take that back
Nah
forest arrow
Hydrapple is ass
forest arrow
lol XD
molten oasis
Hydrapple is ass
Entei is trash
forest arrow
Beats koraidons
knotty briar
Ttar is a g you take that back
craggy dagger
i want to try
knotty briar
craggy dagger
uhhhh
appletun
molten oasis
not really what im saying. im saying moreso the type of mons that ur looking to ...
That’s, pretty difficult and I doubt I’m gonna find a niche where Hydrapple is gonna work, especially when amoonguss exists
craggy dagger
yeah that’s singles smogon
molten oasis
A9 can just get replaced by Grimm pretty easily
craggy dagger
nobody gives a shit about singles smogon rankings for pokemon 
solid frigate
Singles T-Tar is just no
Doubles its cool
solid frigate
nobody gives a shit about singles smogon rankings for pokemon <:KEKW_Cry:1179139...
dunno why they do that which is funni
forest arrow
The speed is TR territory
molten oasis
Idk how to make a team that deliberately has a hole in it that makes something niche work
craggy dagger
i already miss ivy cudgel
knotty briar
I already miss follow me ogerpon
solid frigate
i just miss Ogerpon
polar canyon
Honestly I don't hate reg h but damn am I already missing tusk to scare off archaludon and flutter to scare off ape
And both to scare off ghold
craggy dagger
tusk?
what
molten oasis
Samurott? I guess???
polar canyon
tusk?
what
Idk just sun in general
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
polar canyon
Tusk tailwind is still gonna be rea again
craggy dagger
hisui samurott is okay-
putting up hazards will prolly be a key in this reg 
solid frigate
Reg H:We ban Paradox and Legendaries!
Also Reg H:Mausape ruins everything-
polar canyon
It's a cool niche for like singles
knotty briar
Reg H:We ban Paradox and Legendaries!
Also Reg H:Mausape ruins everything-
Trick room blood moon go brrrrrrr
polar canyon
Reg H:We ban Paradox and Legendaries!
Also Reg H:Mausape ruins everything-
It feels more than a sidegrade than a better format
molten oasis
Doubles
polar canyon
Eh
solid frigate
It feels more than a sidegrade than a better format
its more like a bait at this point-
molten oasis
Yk what ssmurott does? explodes
polar canyon
Archaludon in a format with no legends feels as broken as a restricted in a restricted format
craggy dagger
Yk what ssmurott does? *explodes*
yah
knotty briar
I wonder if guts ursaluna could come back?
craggy dagger
it’s okay-
i did experiment hisui samurott early on
polar canyon
Sharpness stab aqua cutter is neat ig and like setting up spikes?
molten oasis
the format where you can in theory use your favorites
craggy dagger
the format where you can in theory use your favorites
nope
solid frigate
it’s okay-
i did experiment hisui samurott early on
and you miss 4 ceaseless edges-
craggy dagger
i can’t use cosmog 
molten oasis
But no, if you don’t beat mausape or Archa peli it’s trash
craggy dagger
and you miss 4 ceaseless edges-
don’t remind meeee
nocturne holly
Ceaseless edge can miss 😭
molten oasis
what a fun format
knotty briar
and you miss 4 ceaseless edges-
I just had flashbacks...
solid frigate
But no, if you don’t beat mausape or Archa peli it’s trash
its literally a bait for players who hate Reg G when reg G isn't even that bad
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
polar canyon
I'm really having fun with sinistcha, only a few things feel too threatening like the adamant incin going around, basc, peli, compared to being weak to like half of the overused meta in every other reg
solid frigate
the starters were not meant to be competitively viable but i guess Incin,Rilla and Prima are the exceptions-
nocturne holly
There’s a few select starters that are viable
molten oasis
its literally a bait for players who hate Reg G when reg G isn't even that bad
I’m upset all the things like can’t work without fitting a specific niche
polar canyon
Sometimes charizard? Not this generation but sometimes
knotty briar
It's not like blastoise or feraligatr are much better
I really wish blastoise was better...
molten oasis
Which is not a skill I know how to do
nocturne holly
the starters were not meant to be competitively viable but i guess Incin,Rilla a...
Atleast all of them are viable in some formats
solid frigate
Atleast all of them are viable in some formats
Meganium:
nocturne holly
And ig hisui decisueyw gets some play? Rn atleast
nocturne holly
So atleast all of the alola starters are used a little
polar canyon
https://pokepast.es/f74962868709221e
I'm actually enjoying this quite a bit but can't think of what last 2 properly cover for my weaknesses
Mandibuzz sleeper pick fr
craggy dagger
let it rain electro shots
solid frigate
And ig hisui decisueyw gets some play? Rn atleast
people just somehow fear about it when you can just Pelipper it
nocturne holly
Mandibuzz sleeper pick fr
I remember tryna use it for kitikami prologue
mighty stump
Electro Shot:
knotty briar
https://pokepast.es/f74962868709221e
I'm actually enjoying this quite a bit but ...
Garganacl maybe?
I dunno, this team is just weird imo
surreal echo
Anyone have any good Incin and Rilla spreads?
mighty stump
What in the hell is that team
polar canyon
Electabuzz is cool
mighty stump
Volcarona looks okay there tbh
knotty briar
Anyone have any good Incin and Rilla spreads?
surreal echo
what does this incin spread do
polar canyon
Volcarona looks okay there tbh
Never passing on a chance to use volc
But like offensive or support?
mighty stump
You have enough support
knotty briar
Fake out and knock off support
Flare blitz for offensive pressure
Parting shot to debuff and get free switches
polar canyon
You have enough support
That's what I thought
surreal echo
Fake out and knock off support
Flare blitz for offensive pressure
Parting shot...
i mean the evs, obviously I know what the moves are for
polar canyon
So like just 3 attacks quiver dance?
mighty stump
You’re usually 2 attack QD Protect
knotty briar
i mean the evs, obviously I know what the moves are for
Oh, I honestly got help with these evs at the beginning of reg G, so I don't really remember
polar canyon
Tofu sinistcha is actually so fire
When it's not getting knocked and flare blitzed by adamant incin
nocturne holly
When it's not getting knocked and flare blitzed by adamant incin
Doesn’t like non adamant also do a huge chunk into it
polar canyon
Yeah but adamant does more
knotty briar
Sinischa is heatproof last I checked
knotty briar
I've considered it but hospitality is so good
Ya know, that's fair
surreal echo
https://pokepast.es/eee0d67705ca057c thoughts? been wanting to use grimmsnarl in this format as I think it'll be strong with the lower power level
polar canyon
Looks like a team that would be using arch but isn't
By that I mean it's a rain team in reg h
knotty briar
https://pokepast.es/eee0d67705ca057c thoughts? been wanting to use grimmsnarl in...
I'd definitely fit arch in there somewhere
molten oasis
Imma make a list
surreal echo
maybe, i just feel like arch is a little too reliant on rain being up
otherwise it cant use electro shot
whereas with gholdengo, it means i dont have to bring pelipper to every match
surreal echo
Doesn’t have to
doesn't have to what?
also ignore the ev spreads, still working on them
polar canyon
The spreads look fine
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/dbe9e7936c5f78a2 list of stuff I’d like to make work, although, idk what specifically I could make
polar canyon
For the ones that have spreads
surreal echo
https://pokepast.es/dbe9e7936c5f78a2 list of stuff I’d like to make work, althou...
i think kommo-o could work, especially because flutter mane no longer exists
polar canyon
I mean a few of these already work
surreal echo
not sure about hydrapple though, it always ends up being a tera sink
molten oasis
Being a Tera sink isn’t a bad thing
polar canyon
Kommo-o has like enough-to-not-ignore usage
Typhlosion too
Goodra has already worked before, guess we just need flutter back to drive ape out of the meta
Or have a good way of dealing with it on the team
modern harbor
if i have one mon with 0atk and one with 0spd what items do i make them hold to breed em and get both on one mon
is destiny knot 5 from one or 5 across the both shared
polar canyon
if i have one mon with 0atk and one with 0spd what items do i make them hold to ...
The light blue power thingy for speed and the red for attack
They make one specific stat pass down instead of 5 random ones
surreal echo
Being a Tera sink isn’t a bad thing
sometimes it isn't, but there are a lot of situations where hydrapple needs that tera to get out of a bad situation
the grass/dragon hurts it quite a bit unfort
mighty stump
doesn't have to what?
Doesn’t have to run Electro Shot if you don’t want to lol
polar canyon
I don't remember the specific names just the colors lol
modern harbor
hm
molten oasis
Can Lycan ttar work ok? Especially with exca existing
surreal echo
Doesn’t have to run Electro Shot if you don’t want to lol
yeah but at that point i'd be better off running gholdengo
polar canyon
Yeah I've seen it around
cyan smelt
I want to run hydrapple for dragon cheer crit fickle beams
molten oasis
Or would it just be deliberately better to run excadrill
mighty stump
yeah but at that point i'd be better off running gholdengo
Different uses
surreal echo
Or would it just be deliberately better to run excadrill
lycanroc can do endeavor shenanigans
polar canyon
That's all that's different really actually
modern harbor
im tryna breed masuda for a 0spe 0atk armorouge but my ditto has mostly best am i fucked
polar canyon
But it's an important difference
molten oasis
It’s just better, there’s hardly a reason to run Lycan
polar canyon
It's a decent reason to use it
modern harbor
or can i make the 0spe0atk parent hold speed brace thingy and ditto hold the destiny knot to hope for 0atk
polar canyon
Not like good enough to be an objectively as good option
But enough to be a fair excuse to use it imo
molten oasis
polar canyon
You can cheese almost any pokemon with 1 hp endeavor + sandstorm damage
I've seen games with it being used and winning this reg
molten oasis
It’s the difficulty behind getting something to work that’s also consistent
And apparently building around the niche stuff is dumb and I have to make it fit in a team, which doesn’t make any sense to me
polar canyon
They often run endeavor to get to 1 hp safely without relying on the sash
While still having a sash
polar canyon
And apparently building around the niche stuff is dumb and I have to make it fit...
Sometimes it happens naturally when you're building a team and have a list of mons you know could work in niche little roles
You just remember hey I could put that one pokemon here and it kinda fits
molten oasis
How the fuck do I create that role
polar canyon
At least I think it's like that
polar canyon
How the fuck do I create that role
Idk sometimes I see some pokemon that sound weird but surprisingly work and keep them in mind to use myself someday
molten oasis
Yk what I just need to, think this over some other time, I barely have anything I want to build with
modern harbor
help! 😭😭
polar canyon
Right now I'm using eviolite electabuzz
modern harbor
breeding
polar canyon
Right now I'm using eviolite electabuzz
It was pretty strange seeing it being used in some regionals games I watched
But then I realized hey it sounds nice for this role I need on the team
modern harbor
or can i make the 0spe0atk parent hold speed brace thingy and ditto hold the des...
i want a 0atk0spe shiny armorouge but my jpn ditto isnt either
polar canyon
Then it's gonna be pretty hard to get that with that ditto
modern harbor
is my best bet anklet on 0spe0atk parent and d knot on ditto?
polar canyon
Honestly your best bet is anklet on parent and nothing on ditto and hope for the 1 in 31 chance to get 0 attack
At that point it's easier to get a Japanese 0 atk one and breed with your language's 0 speed ditto
modern harbor
wait but doesnt the d knot choose 5 out of the 12 ivs to pass down
so if i guarantee the 0speed isnt it like a 5/11 to have also 0atk
polar canyon
It chooses 5 out of the 6 of the parent that's holding it in pretty sure
Maybe I'm wrong you can look it up ig
modern harbor
father OR mother it says doesnt matter who holds
polar canyon
father OR mother it says doesnt matter who holds
Yeah I looked at it I was wrong
Sorry lol
modern harbor
ur good
polar canyon
But yeah if you get one parent with 0 spatk and one with 0 speed you can make it guaranteed 0 both
modern harbor
but then masuda works
polar canyon
Since it's pretty hard for foreign dittos with 0 on a stat to come by it's easier to get the other one with a 0 stat and foreign
modern harbor
doesn't work*
polar canyon
And hunt for your own ditto with a 0 stat
modern harbor
hmm
polar canyon
It should be 1 in every 31 dittos
At least that's what I'd do
Since I've got a non foreign 0 speed ditto myself
I'd look for the other parent, foreign with 0 spatk
modern harbor
i'm so confused
i just put the attack ev item on the one w 0 atk and the speed ev item on the one with 0 speed and it didnt give one with both 0 atk and speed
polar canyon
Really?
It should work
This time I'm sure
Did you give the right ev items and everything?
solid frigate
ummm what did i miss
polar canyon
Not much
craggy dagger
ummm what did i miss
idk i was pretty gone too
polar canyon
There's something
https://pokepast.es/e7bf1408581b2c3e
Still trying to get this going
I actually have used the team for a bit with a different last 2 pokemon
I'm honestly pretty satisfied with the 4 I kept
Volc I added just now
And I think I'm tweaking sinistcha to outspeed turbo ursa bm
forest arrow
IDBP Kommo-o doesnt look too bad
solid frigate
excuse me.
Empoleon?(I mean having Competitive Ability is nice but like Empoleon?)
solid frigate
High Horsepower:
jade dust
And having steel coverage is nice
jade dust
High Horsepower:
Yeah but still is better than double target kill
polar canyon
Empoleon is cool
solid frigate
252+ Atk Calyrex-Ice High Horsepower vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Empoleon: 124-146 (64.9 - 76.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
I'm sorry there is no true Resistance against Ice Rider
polar canyon
Competitive is neat with like incineroar being common
jade dust
252+ Atk Calyrex-Ice High Horsepower vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Empoleon: 124-146 (64....
Except Pelipper
solid frigate
Competitive is neat with like incineroar being common
honestly with Incin losing worlds people would say him as fraud(Which is cap)
solid frigate
Except Pelipper
thats Neutral to Ice.
polar canyon
Incin kinda a fraud in reg h
jade dust
thats Neutral to Ice.
Block glacial lance with wide guard and is immune to high horsepower
solid frigate
Corny i know what you saying
polar canyon
Don't think I like incin as much with the defiant fighting ghost type being meta
solid frigate
Yes Araquanid resist both but Miraidon is everywhere
atomic mural
Yes Araquanid resist both but Miraidon is everywhere
I wouldnt use it against it then
polar canyon
Don't think I like incin as much with the defiant fighting ghost type being meta
That also runs tera fire for wisp so yeah right now incin is a fraud fr
jade dust
I know I could be using pelipper as wide guard user instead of mieshao but mieshao helps agaisnt the mirror caly ice
I can use coaching in my caly and have the advantage
jade dust
Also agaisnt Kyogre I can lead fari and mieshao and helping hand close combat
That deleted kyogre
Oh and enamorus is nice due having immunity to powders
So it helps agaisnt amoonguss
solid frigate
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2184358305-kcxxlq3gd2v5x2yf51dwyejiwi37w3apw
Sneak Peak on Overprepping EUIC:
polar canyon
Oh and enamorus is nice due having immunity to powders
That I'm not sure about
jade dust
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2184358305-kcxxlq3gd2v5x2yf51...
not found
jade dust
Anything can have immunity to powders
But only one can run safety googles
chrome knot
@modern harbor @craggy dagger meet bea :3
modern harbor
WHAT ARE THOSE GRAPHICS
BETTER THAN SV
(i know its emulated 3ds w some stuff adjusted )
polar canyon
<@255963690518446081> <@541037106496012290> meet bea :3
Huge I love that fella
polar canyon
WHAT ARE THOSE GRAPHICS
Crazy what a black outline around the mons actually did for the design
craggy dagger
<@255963690518446081> <@541037106496012290> meet bea :3
awe cute
polar canyon
not found
And yeah the link works for me so skill issue
Ribombee is awesome
Ngl usum as a stand-alone kinda a peak game
If you're not considering how it's a better version of a previous title
And if you don't mind re-reading dialogue when replaying the story
cyan smelt
i just predicted a tera and it felt so good
craggy dagger
shes too much of a bean to be scary <:GiggleHehe:674234945723432980>
she wants to save friends
not be scary
foggy lodge
Making some adjustments https://pokepast.es/a6d67a053d7a31df
Synchronize umbreon omg
Its supposed to be inner focus
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
cyan smelt
idk why but this person i played on cart ladder had zebstrika
then they terad volcarona into grass and chien pao ohko it with icicle crash
midnight bison
is cart still reg g only
chrome knot
yes
cyan smelt
yep until the end of the month
midnight bison
kk
are there any competitive differences between cart and showdown
seems like cart would be way more casual
cyan smelt
cart seems harder to me i feel like it's more of a knowledge check
polar canyon
Sometimes it's more of a memory check
And the inability to click cancel after choosing moves
Showdown keeps track of anything you're supposed to be able to know
Like revealed moves
cyan smelt
i feel good though i've beat two tr teams on cart today
polar canyon
Lowest and highest possible speeds and stuff
cyan smelt
but yeah it feels good to make a read like that, maybe i am getting better after all
next stump
seems like cart would be way more casual
high master tier on cart is probably harder than high ladder on showdown
like, higher than rank 100 on the cart ladder
cyan smelt
then maybe it was someone from ultra ball i played because no way would i have been against someone ranked 10
also why is p2 so damn bulky
spiral ridge
Evio ain’t it
cyan smelt
yeah ik lol ut it seems impossible to kill
spiral ridge
It’s quite good yuh
Most I can recc is target other slot and be patient til you can get a knock off on it
cyan smelt
i don't think even a blood moon kos
solid frigate
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2184390175-espj8u8pfjn7fkih47...
thats not a play,Its a read, and its a easy read as well cuz they want to remove your restricted.
jade dust
thats not a play,Its a read, and its a easy read as well cuz they want to remove...
Yeah but was risky too cuz he could have attacked my mieshao instead and I miss the kill in ursahifu
solid frigate
Yeah but was risky too cuz he could have attacked my mieshao instead and I miss ...
Mienshao wasn't that threatening for him
cyan smelt
one thing i want to know is, i played against a team that had urshifu single strike in it but zamazenta was faster than it in tr
next stump
could be scarf urshifu
cyan smelt
it was sash
cyan smelt
well whatever it was i managed to survive tr
surreal echo
Are there any discord servers centered around competitive pokemon that i should join?
cyan smelt
the vgcpastes server
surreal echo
Looks kinda dead
cyan smelt
they post teams regularly
craggy dagger
the vgcpastes server
wut
cyan smelt
vgcpastes, like the twitter account?
craggy dagger
vgcpastes, like the twitter account?
ohhh
chrome knot
shadow wind
@cyan smelt Was that you?
cyan smelt
yes
shadow wind
Cool.
cyan smelt
i should really do some laddering, nice to see others using fire croc
cyan smelt
i stand by this that chesnaught is the superior grass/fighting type
cyan smelt
chesnaught can be a big threat after belly drum
cyan smelt
you can do stuff with drain punch
cyan smelt
needs tera steel
midnight bison
high master tier on cart is probably harder than high ladder on showdown
how about below that tho
like average rank
midnight bison
they’re both easy so far 
midnight bison
Having points where you can't fall below is the thing.
like there’s a minimum visual rank?
is there an mmr system tho
then even if it said 0 it could be less
jade dust
Earth power or mystical fire for Enamorous?
I dont have fire coverage btw
But I have high horsepower in caly
shadow wind
Ah then mystical fire.
foggy lodge
Showdown went down?
jade dust
Ive been experimenting around with empoleon, incineroar and mieshao
balmy glen
Locked my team for Baltimore already lol
Spent 2 minutes doing reg h and already locked it
Meta 5 + one non meta
rustic mountain
midnight bison
rain arch?
atomic mural
Spent 2 minutes doing reg h and already locked it
based
balmy glen
rain arch?
Yup
rustic mountain
midnight bison
yeah that shit is unmatched lmfao
foggy lodge
how crazy is the non meta
rustic mountain
overqwil
shadow wind
Overqwil getting haze is crime.
balmy glen
I haven’t seen anyone run it too much
shadow wind
He doesn't deserve it.
balmy glen
I’ve only seen one other person run what I’m running basically but it fits the niche I wanted so
shadow wind
Haze AND Throat chop? Counters my whole darn team.
rustic mountain
lol
balmy glen
U get countered by throat chop? What are you doing running perish song?
rustic mountain
skeledirge
shadow wind
Skeledirge 😔
mighty stump
I’ve only seen one other person run what I’m running basically but it fits the n...
run Ditto, get 2 Archas in Rain ggez
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
shadow wind
I'm now realizing Sneasler like hard cooks me.
I think sneasler is a mad sleeper pick.
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
jade dust
Its funny how life orb makes all m oves boosted by sheer force
And removes the self damage
craggy dagger
whatcha makin?
balmy glen
run Ditto, get 2 Archas in Rain ggez
Ur so right
modern harbor
my full hp necrozma just got one shot by a temper flare from salamence 😭
dawn crown
is eviolite Gothorita better than gothitelle
cyan smelt
nope
chrome knot
dawg
ember linden
Wtf do I add to this https://pokepast.es/a47139a5effb862d
Idk if I add water tauros, gyara, prima, or Milo as my water type
ivory girder
Male Indeedee is 0 speed right? Got me a shiny
ember linden
Huh?
cyan smelt
No male indeedee wants to be fast for fast eforce spam
midnight bison
any recommendations for educational content
like players who livestream ladder and like narrate their games
jade dust
Wolfey is more entertainment than educational
I was gonna mention him but he doesn’t really teach much when it comes to vgc
spiral ridge
hell go into depth about the mons on his team and reasoning but not much on how to do this yourself
midnight bison
prefer someone who does reg h if anyone has started that
jade dust
He only talks about his thought process and decisions he took
midnight bison
seems like all those ppl are still doing reg g for now
jade dust
Which is good cuz he makes very good plays but
spiral ridge
He only talks about his thought process and decisions he took
yes this is what i said or at least was trying to say
jade dust
Not applicable every time
bold geode
hell go into depth about the mons on his team and reasoning but not much on how ...
I mean in the videos where he does the tournaments, he actually sorta tries to go into depth about why he's doing said tours, but yeah it's hard
Y'know what Scotty
Imma sit you down one day and let you understand board states buddy
jade dust
I mean in the videos where he does the tournaments, he actually sorta tries to g...
There are many 50/50s in those games that, while logical or trying to make a read, either the most predictable play can be the best or the most weird one as well
cyan smelt
Nobody is using tinkaton in reg h
bold geode
Honestly you can be a good teambuilder, but if you're a shit player and can't execute team, then like yeah not gonna get far
Why I usually try to press people to learn the game itself first
Not that I don't want people to use wacky shit from time to time
Just understand hey you want wack shit to work SOMEDAY, you gotta get to that skill level of execution where you can
jade dust
Honestly you can be a good teambuilder, but if you're a shit player and can't ex...
Even then there is always unexpected gimmicks that you will lose to cuz your team isn’t built to counter very specific teams, but doesn’t matter much cuz it’s a 1 in 1000
bold geode
Even then there is always unexpected gimmicks that you will lose to cuz your tea...
Just boot up another game lol
Sometimes you won't win some
Failure is part of growth
Gonna get your ass busted on the way to the top
cyan smelt
Monke fails with his memes all the time
bold geode
Putting in reps is honestly a vibe for me tbh
jade dust
Sometimes you won't win some
Failure is part of growth
I lost to an Oinkologne female team in cart and it was hilarious. I never saw a team like that before lmao
But it’s fine I don’t need to be prepared for such a weird team
bold geode
I usually stop when I'm satisfied or when I'm like fuck this game
Either way I know I'm gonna be playing the same shit tomorrow 
cyan smelt
I played someone earlier and I just knew they were gonna tera volcarona into grass, it felt so good that I called it
jade dust
I played someone earlier and I just knew they were gonna tera volcarona into gra...
Like when Wolfey did earth power on a rilla in the grand final expecting the tera poison and he called it right and won
cyan smelt
Epic
atomic mural
https://pokepast.es/16f26e90fcf473b4 Should my farigiraf run psychic noise or psychic
bold geode
Noise rn
craggy dagger
shock
jade dust
His carry was Amoonguss which was funny. Sludge bomb Amoonguss
bold geode
I'm starting to say you been answering to Nova 
craggy dagger
i didn’t even see what regulation that was
if it’s reg H run noise
atomic mural
yeah
ember linden
Wtf do I add to this https://pokepast.es/a47139a5effb862d
Nvm I figured it out I’m undefeated with this rn https://pokepast.es/31b5e916f856e0ff
bold geode
H run Noise solely cuz of the monkey
bold geode
Nvm I figured it out I’m undefeated with this rn https://pokepast.es/31b5e916f85...
Probably loses to MausApe Arch
atomic mural
I like psychic noise as well so people cant leech of my grassy terrain
imagine that joke in shows where someone slaps the persons hand reaching for a food
bold geode
Well Psychic Noise Giraffe can basically wall Ape
atomic mural
yeah that too ig
craggy dagger
which ape
oh annihilape
atomic mural
I think both
spiral ridge
that someone would prob have to be GF love
bold geode
Y'know I'd be offended if it weren't true
ember linden
Probably loses to MausApe Arch
Nah
bold geode
Nah it probably do
atomic mural
whats the website that lets you see a pokemons entire history in competitive?
I saw it a couple times in wolfey videos
ember linden
Nah it probably do
Give me one reason
atomic mural
Give me one reason
your team loses to mausape arch
bold geode
Idk almost whole thing looks like it gets demolished by Rage Fist itself
ember linden
I have wisp taunt gale wings bb
bold geode
Not to mention Arch combined with that is just fucking powerful
ember linden
I have the tools to beat it, not like it’s insta loss or anything
bold geode
Idt here's the place to ask about that LMFAO
ember linden
torn parrot
Very good point
bold geode
Idk if Human Centipede is a good conversation to have here
ember linden
I’ve never seen it
atomic mural
I think you meant to post this in another discord
atomic mural
ember linden
Mirror herb Tauros + Rilla would probably in most scenarios easily get me through maus ape lead
If it’s really that bad but I like amulet
atomic mural
<:poliwhirlkek:932149535311015988>
honestly when I look at this emote I dont think of it as kek I think of it as awkwardly staring at something
ember linden
That’s what it is
torn parrot
Ye
ember linden
molten oasis
Idk if Human Centipede is a good conversation to have here
Uhm, wtf
atomic mural
🤫
ember linden
I mirror herbed a dondozo today lol
ember linden
It was still unaware but funny
He insta ff’d when I clear smogged his tera grass dozo
atomic mural
I mirror herbed a dondozo today lol
🔥 🔥 🔥
molten oasis
We love free wins, thanks dondozo
ember linden
But now Scope lens Focus Energy Hydreigon is my dozo answer :3
molten oasis
We love scope lens hydrei
ember linden
Yeah it’s good into Fari Bloodmoon and that monstrosity of a gimick
ember linden
We love scope lens hydrei
Bro do you think this loses to Archalduon Maus Ape rain teams when you look at willow prio brave bird tw gholdengo rilla etc
molten oasis
if you had some redirection like, electabuzz or maushold i think mausape is more doable
it looks rough ngl
ember linden
If I add a mirror herb to tauros and lead it with rilla tho
molten oasis
honestly well played mausape might just cook you
ember linden
I could also take the tw ghold route to js bait tera
molten oasis
If I add a mirror herb to tauros and lead it with rilla tho
you could do that
that helps a lot
ember linden
Yeah I just fo and destroy
I’ll wait till I’ve played it a few times till I swap off amulet bc it helps with Incin
Rockhead Harc is so good ngl
ember linden
What maus
molten oasis
yuh
mirror herb helps that mu enough tho
although if tauros is dead before mausape shows up you could lose
ember linden
Yeah but that’d be on me not the team
molten oasis
true, mirror herb should fix the mu
you just have a semi useless item if no set up/defiant
ember linden
I wonder if jolly banded headsmash at -1 kills incin
molten oasis
I wonder if jolly banded headsmash at -1 kills incin
probably idk
ember linden
1 252+ Atk Choice Band Arcanine-Hisui Head Smash vs. 244 HP / 252+ Def Incineroar: 200-236 (99.5 - 117.4%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO
Damn so yeah ide need clam I can just lead rilla harc and tera ghost if I have too
cyan smelt
Funny how people thought harc would be bad because of its typing but it's good
ember linden
Yeah lol
cyan smelt
And it can just tera out of weaknesses anyway
cyan smelt
Not taking recoil damage is fun
chrome knot
@torn parrot @craggy dagger goodnight friends
molten oasis
why isnt the bot working bruh
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
cyan smelt
Probably trying to execute custom command 556
molten oasis
that thing sucks
cyan smelt
I mean people made pachi work
molten oasis
because they were god tier players
electabuzz is the archa peli thing rn
zeb does just about nothing to archaludon
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
cyan smelt
What does electabuzz do to archaludon
cyan smelt
Idk why that guy on cart had zebstrika on his team then
molten oasis
eerie impulse ig isnt terrible
cyan smelt
Maybe the zebstrika is for the miraidon mu
cyan smelt
1520 baby
bold geode
What does electabuzz do to archaludon
Makes it sad
plain drum
bold geode
https://pokepast.es/2a40531ce1565880
Also holy fuck your Gholdengo is fast
cyan smelt
damn the reg h ladder is already up to 1800
modern harbor
does showdown calc assume zama crowned as +1def
small scaffold
How usable is alolan raichu?
knotty mirage
I guess it could be decent support pair for miraidon
It's not that great but good enough to use
knotty mirage
I mean it could be usable as fast support that doesn't need prankster under electric terrain
Just give it focus sash like every whimsicott and it should be good to go
It have fake out and can even encore dark type
cyan smelt
It does get endeavour at least
small scaffold
This is for doubles right?
knotty mirage
It does get endeavour at least
And nuzzle a better t wave because it's 100% accurate
small scaffold
So am i best off using regular raichu?
cyan smelt
For reg h you'd need to use pincurchin to enable alolan raichu and pincurchin is not good
And terrain can easily be overwritten
small scaffold
Pincurchin is the only electric terrain setter?
No way bru
No other mon gets electric terrain
cyan smelt
Miraidon but it's banned and tapu Koko not in sv
And there's no prankster E terrain setter
small scaffold
Fr?!
Not a single one?!
Prankster cannot be that rare
Wait alolan raichu learns it💀
small scaffold
YOO rotom wash is good isnt it?
cyan smelt
Yeah but it's honestly not worth wasting a move slot on E terrain because you lose momentum
small scaffold
My team rn is peliper archaludo n sinistcha gholdengo incin and bascu
cyan smelt
You need a dozo answer, I suggest overqwil
small scaffold
Oh i have that shiny but who do i swap it for?
mighty stump
And nuzzle a better t wave because it's 100% accurate
Covert Cloak blocks it btw
cyan smelt
Sinistcha probably
small scaffold
I havent faced dondozo once ts fine ill js electro shot it fr
cyan smelt
Dozo is tera grass
small scaffold
Either way can i use alolan raichu or not
cyan smelt
Doubtful
small scaffold
Dozo is tera grass
Huricane
cyan smelt
It's still tanky
small scaffold
Huricane twice(the copium is crazy right now)
cyan smelt
Overqwil is also good against basculegion
small scaffold
Bascu aint that much of an issue
Ive got knockoff mathca gotta electro shot and last respects
cyan smelt
Well anyway to answer your question idt alolan raichu is viable
cyan smelt
Unless you can find some way to keep E terrain up but rilla and indeedee are everywhere
small scaffold
Hypothetically whats the most copium way i could use A.raichu
cyan smelt
With miraidon
small scaffold
Reg h mb
knotty mirage
Covert Cloak blocks it btw
Ah right but oh well only one mon that can hold covert cloak anyway
cyan smelt
In reg h probably with tailwind support, it's still faster than most of the meta
knotty mirage
With tail wind support and use electro web that does sounds good
cyan smelt
It has nuzzle and eerie impulse
small scaffold
Electro web on raichu?
knotty mirage
If you want speed control yeah
small scaffold
Ooh yh that sounds like a fun support
cyan smelt
Thunder if you're using it in rain
small scaffold
Who do i swap it for
small scaffold
Thunder if you're using it in rain
Yup
cyan smelt
Give it fake out too
small scaffold
So i run nuzzle thunder electro web and e-terrain?
small scaffold
So i run A.raichu with no e-terrain?
cyan smelt
If you have tailwind already that does the same thing as E terrain
And can't be overwritten
cyan smelt
Then it's basc ig
cyan smelt
Sash
small scaffold
Kk
cyan smelt
It's frail
small scaffold
So i use damp rock in peli?
knotty mirage
I wonder is gholdengo with covert cloak on reg H a common thing ?
cyan smelt
Wait that means you can't have sash on peli
small scaffold
I wonder is gholdengo with covert cloak on reg H a common thing ?
Good as ggold is basically cover cloak tho
knotty mirage
Nah that's not how it work
cyan smelt
It's not immune to snarl
small scaffold
U running choice specs or leftovers moveset
knotty mirage
Good as gold would not protect you from secondary effect from move like nuzzle
Like if you use nuzzle on dhengo it will get paralyzed
cyan smelt
Nuzzle is a good alternative means of speed control
knotty mirage
No don't think so but there still many move with secondary effect anyway
cyan smelt
Plus paralysis can be clutch
knotty mirage
That's why i wonder is dhengo with covert cloak common on reg H or people prefer to use spec and leftie for it instead
small scaffold
Nah jut peli is holding sash
knotty mirage
If peli hold sash i don't think you can use alolan raichu
Most of time it just gonna die to most attacking move
knotty mirage
Just give peli covert or damp rock
zinc totem
If peli hold sash i don't think you can use alolan raichu
you never can use alola raichu, there is no electric terrain setup thats good
small scaffold
Focus band 
cyan smelt
Try Colbur berry because it might be eating a knock off or sucker punch
small scaffold
Try Colbur berry because it might be eating a knock off or sucker punch
On peli or raichu?
cyan smelt
Raichu
small scaffold
I think ima js go damp rock
cyan smelt
That way you keep sash on peli
Weather can be overwritten too
Ttar is fairly common
knotty mirage
I mean damp rock is not bad choice with the reg H power level
cyan smelt
If you don't go sash you might get ohko by electro shot
knotty mirage
Just terra or switch if you see archuladon
small scaffold
If you don't go sash you might get ohko by electro shot
I could rage powder copium maybe
Yh lol
What type tho?
knotty mirage
Or just use your own archuladon
cyan smelt
If you run peli and sinistcha you're not doing much back to arch
knotty mirage
What type tho?
Probably grass or ground
small scaffold
3 of my mons alr being terra grass🤫
knotty mirage
Did you use BM ursa btw ?
small scaffold
Incin duraludon and sinistcha
small scaffold
Did you use BM ursa btw ?
Me?
knotty mirage
Yeah
small scaffold
I run archa peli sinitcha incin gholdengo and bascu
Gonna switch bascu with A.raichu tho
knotty mirage
So what did you use to deal with archuladon then ?
knotty mirage
I run archa peli sinitcha incin gholdengo and bascu
Probably better to just switch sinistcha
small scaffold
So what did you use to deal with archuladon then ?
Pray i dont face iy + , my own duraludon, gdengo shadow ball or js basculegion last respects
cyan smelt
I really hope people aren't running focus blast gholdengo now
small scaffold
I really hope people aren't running focus blast gholdengo now
5% accurate ah movr
knotty mirage
I really hope people aren't running focus blast gholdengo now
Prolly there some people who do but it's focus miss i doubt many people will want to click that thing often
small scaffold
Probably better to just switch sinistcha
U sure it helps the water fire grass core
knotty mirage
I mean does sinistcha do that much damage without setting up anyway
small scaffold
Its a support mon
knotty mirage
You prolly better to just go for rilla for water fire grass core
knotty mirage
The best thing i could say if you add alolan raichu without replacing either sinistcha peli or incin you have too much support on your team it probably better to just not add alolan raichu at all
knotty mirage
I mean incin is really good support if you really don't want it that much you can replace it
Especially in reg H where annihilape and gambit exist
small scaffold
So incin got worse in reg h?
knotty mirage
The 2 pokemon that incin doesn't want to switch into
knotty mirage
So incin got worse in reg h?
TBH i think yeah
knotty mirage
It's not that bad but it def fell off a little because the power level is different on reg H
cyan smelt
how is miraidon faster than jolly chien pao
next stump
speed tie
patent marsh
how is miraidon faster than jolly chien pao
they're both base 135
cyan smelt
that's two in a row i've lost now on cart
now i'm facing a gimmick team with both koffing and weezing
mighty stump
Twitter
bold geode
https://x.com/vgcdata/status/1825940940353351701?s=46&t=NSIK9f9OViHUJnm37QZcEQ
Hey Tofu
jade dust
Wow primarina used a lot
polar canyon
Is incin rly all that?
Have you not heard
The king of vgc
Just a little bit less kingly this regulation
small scaffold
Just a little bit less kingly this regulation
Idk i think i use him wrong cuz all my other suppirts provide way more value😭
polar canyon
Right now there's a bit less use for it and more common mons that threaten it
But combining a good defensive type for some past rulesets with fake out with parting shot with wisp with snarl with knock off with flare blitz with good defensive stats
Yeah killer combo
polar canyon
Yeah so you kinda have to choose
polar canyon
You could see it as a problem because you're forced to choose but you could also see it as it having so many good options you have to actually choose
small scaffold
Can we 1v1 in a bit i gotta practice with incin cuz im clearly doing smh wrong
Maybe u cud give me some pointers
fossil herald
How can i get a alolan vulpix in violet?
polar canyon
How can i get a alolan vulpix in violet?
Trading
small scaffold
Also home
polar canyon
I'm not like very good at the game but I think I'm pretty good at being average and having common sense
small scaffold
Whats ur elo on showdown
polar canyon
Forgot
small scaffold
My peak on anything but ranbats is 1400
polar canyon
It fluctuates because when a team is good I stop using it in showdown and start using in cart
Except randbats
small scaffold
Yh
polar canyon
Gotta rethink an entire ev spread because I want to outspeed timid ursa bm
worn bluff
Anyone want to test out Reg H teams
polar canyon
I wonder if I should take a 25% calc to die from modest max electro shot
nocturne holly
I wonder if I should take a 25% calc to die from modest max electro shot
On what
polar canyon
I like tailwind snarl foul play
It actually works with overcoat since the team has sand
But that was more me realizing after that I actually get to do that
Than choosing it because of that
nocturne holly
https://pokepast.es/1976cc1266ac4b09 thoughts? Spreads are wack rn I’ll tweak them later but wbt the 6?
bold geode
https://x.com/vgcdata/status/1825940940353351701?s=46&t=NSIK9f9OViHUJnm37QZcEQ
Regular Ursaluna and Harc's usage are surprisingly low to me for some reason
knotty mirage
Probably because there better option for them being BM ursa and incin
polar canyon
Ursa bm feels a bit more flexible
Not basically required to use the same item
Instead it usually uses the same 2 items
That's already twice as many
People in this chat are cool
Like worth sharing general stuff with level of cool
How's stuff been for yall?
Colleges been tough recently
craggy dagger
How's stuff been for yall?
next stump
Twitter
craggy dagger
https://x.com/cayennevgc/status/1826118169674579982?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfszOAZ6...
nuuuuu
polar canyon
Probably still a much better player than I am
But I can't imagine wether I'd be happy or disappointed or both in that situation
craggy dagger
honestly
i'd be both really happy and disappointed if that happened to me
like i made worlds so its great
but going 0 - 8 would feel really shit
polar canyon
Probably a funny story to tell in a few years
Someday I wanna make it big like that guy
One of the best losers in the world
Right now I'm just an average loser
I'm pretty on and off with pokemon
polar canyon
Having 2 week bursts of getting invested into competitive again
craggy dagger
it was intentional
wut
polar canyon
That makes it less impressive
craggy dagger
.-.
chrome knot
after 0-3 he wanted to beat jean marcs record of 1-8
craggy dagger
OH
polar canyon
That's pretty funny but less impressive
polar canyon
Is there no like disqualifying for unsportsmanlike behavior for throwing on purpose
I think I can just enjoy playing mostly semi casually for a while longer
craggy dagger
oh emma
are you gon pop down to worlds 2025 n 26?
polar canyon
I can wait until next gen to get like very invested in making it bigger
polar canyon
Man you girls are rich
craggy dagger
cool :0
i think ill pop down 26 but not 25
chrome knot
no its called having a job and a year to save for it
craggy dagger
.-.
polar canyon
Dang sounds tough
craggy dagger
uni just made a huge dent into my savings
chrome knot
26 ill be there for sure bc im roomin with neil to cut costs on bnb/hotel 
polar canyon
The next worlds sounds much more feasible
Hawaii trips aren't cheap
Or going across the planet for last years words
craggy dagger
26 ill be there for sure bc im roomin with neil to cut costs on bnb/hotel <:cele...
ooo exciting
craggy dagger
The next worlds sounds much more feasible
yaya
mainland US makes it easier for most
polar canyon
I'm not even American
craggy dagger
neither am i
polar canyon
Cant wait for when I graduate and can work from home
chrome knot
neither am i
neither am I
chrome knot
i work at fuckin mcdonalds i just have an ENTIRE year to plan a trip to anaheim
craggy dagger
uh
did Yuta's team have a raging bolt
.-.
chrome knot
no
polar canyon
Once I start making my own money I'll be going to internationals and worlds for sure
But it's gonna be at least over a year for that
Actually I think in about a year I can start making money working in the colleges ai tech lab
chrome knot
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