Was that a Jawnzu team?
#competitive_discussion
shadow wind
rustic mountain
i would not say decent haha. it was there
molten oasis
It had higher usage than Zac
foggy lodge
Lets see if its better in double restricted
shadow wind
Not my goats fault.
molten oasis
Probably is tbh, I bet they missed some precipice blades
foggy lodge
What happened to the Zacian player in worlds?
molten oasis
He lost to uh, I forg it who
shadow wind
Probably is tbh, I bet they missed some precipice blades
I do wonder how much that mattered.
I didn't ask the luck aspect.
molten oasis
He got to top 32 tho
spiral pawn
Why you shouldn’t disrespect Miridon:
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2183701722?p2
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2183697563
molten oasis
Grant was and has been on Zac whims drago for most of the reg
While I don’t really like that team myself I think it’s still pretty good
spiral pawn
Bro Miraidon won worlds, no one is dissing it.
Yeah ik, that’s why I’m saying that
you shouldn’t disrespect it
shadow wind
I wonder how Reg H will go when it comes out on cart.
molten oasis
YIPPEE MAUSAPE ARCHAPELI AND DOZO/PSYSPSM SPAM
rustic mountain
And Zac did better overall
for me the amount of conversion matters too tho. 2 day 2s for lunala, 3 for groudon and 2 for zacian, like thats not great. it really reflected their place in the meta w. grant proving yea maybe u can take zacian a bit further if u know ur team to that level but in general, those guys are just there for me haha
shadow wind
😔
molten oasis
for me the amount of conversion matters too tho. 2 day 2s for lunala, 3 for grou...
Fair enough
rustic mountain
still doesnt take away anything from those players, day 2 is an accomplishment in and of itself
molten oasis
Grant almost got Zac to top 16, if only he did lol
foggy lodge
Victory road has already the teams of worlds?
molten oasis
It proves it can work at least
rustic mountain
yea
rustic mountain
It proves it can work at least
oh no argument there from me
i didnt think zacian was ever bad, jus u have to work that much harder for ur wins as the restricted
rustic mountain
i think grants comfortability w/ the archetype far outweighed zacians actual ability as a restricted. like he took a solid mon and jus built a good enough team around it that it gave him the tools to succeed. not easy to do either
molten oasis
Takes a lot of time yea
I haven’t ever achieved that this reg unfortunately, I did last reg with Prima and proved it but still
rustic mountain
nd these r just my takes like im not saying thats definitively the case. grant himself might disagree
molten oasis
My NAIC team was pretty clunky and unfinished
rustic mountain
me scrolling then seeing glastrier: 
shadow wind
https://pokepast.es/03dc656869f7e5e1
Hey you aren't allowed 2 restricteds!
molten oasis
the vgc experience
Indeed
5-4 with it (for me) was really good
Honestly if I had entei lol
rustic mountain
u went positive, thats great, especially for a first event
rustic mountain
nd now u know more then u did b4
molten oasis
And was in the middle of losing to CIR
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
molten oasis
yea, like volc doesn’t work on torn shifu pao rain teams like
foggy lodge
Same speed as Amoonguss huh
molten oasis
That’s mf has 145 attack dayum
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
rustic mountain
bruh lmao
foggy lodge
Insane bulk still
rustic mountain
restricteds have a different bst total
molten oasis
Wait a minute
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
shadow wind
Less wasted stats too.
molten oasis
Ok so how bad would 170 attack be let’s be honest 
shadow wind
How your restricted gonna have a higher BST and be worse than Calyrex. Unbelievable.
rustic mountain
yea restricteds i think are like 650+ bst
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
shadow wind
Seems close.
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
rustic mountain
200 means 200 million
shadow wind
So true.
molten oasis
How your restricted gonna have a higher BST and be worse than Calyrex. Unbelieva...
Amoonguss being better than groudon
shadow wind
He isn't?
molten oasis
I mean also tbf
Zacian feels better in a format you can’t Tera away your weaknesses
rustic mountain
amoongus is that rare example of great typing, good stat distribution, amazing kit and fantastic ability. ud never know it was like 400 something bst
molten oasis
Getting to just bblade CIR would be SO nice
shadow wind
Zacian feels better in a format you can’t Tera away your weaknesses
That is literally what I've been saying about Groudon.
rustic mountain
Getting to just bblade CIR would be SO nice
zacian in gen 8 moment
molten oasis
Mhmm
I like Tera
But I also like hitting things without worrying about you changing to a fire type
shadow wind
I hate tera if I'm being honest.
rustic mountain
i like tera but ill always be an advocate of no gimmicks. jus keep those to the story mode
shadow wind
i like tera but ill always be an advocate of no gimmicks. jus keep those to the ...
Didn't they do that in SwSh for a format and it sucked?
foggy lodge
X2
rustic mountain
Didn't they do that in SwSh for a format and it sucked?
series 10 was one of if not my favorite format ever
it was single restricted so i think ppl didnt love that aspect
shadow wind
I heard a lot of people hated it.
rustic mountain
did they? i think ur confusing that w/ series 6
shadow wind
Maybe.
rustic mountain
which was a shit show
shadow wind
I didn't play SwSh comp.
rustic mountain
that was when they did top 10 banned
foggy lodge
Dinamax was really broken?
molten oasis
Idt people liked Dynamax
rustic mountain
i mean im sure ppl didnt love series 10 but overall id say it had a good reception from the playerbase
solid frigate
Its more like
Tera>Dynamax>Megas>Z-Moves
rustic mountain
Idt people liked Dynamax
mixed
shadow wind
Its more like
Tera>Dynamax>Megas>Z-Moves
My list is the exact opposite.
molten oasis
Just like z moves
solid frigate
Idt people liked Dynamax
i mean people hate stuff that is not Mega Evolution
molten oasis
Megas are so centralizing tho
solid frigate
exactly
shadow wind
Z moves were dope in my opinion.
solid frigate
i am one of the few people that don't enjoy Megas
shadow wind
Was Ultra burst every legal??
foggy lodge
I never understood the argument of "dinamax is usable in every mon" when some pokemon didn't really benefit from it
molten oasis
Keeping gimmicks within the story only would be nice
rustic mountain
dmax is inherently pretty silly wen u break it down. i think if they kept it to certain mons like gmax and shit and didnt let restricteds and legends dmax it couldve been prolly more interesting but in general it was ok. i do think it was overhated
craggy dagger
i saw cosmog wut
foggy lodge
I think Xerneas was bad in all formats except series 10 cause it couldn't use dinamax and couldn't set up comfortably
rustic mountain
yep
solid frigate
dmax is inherently pretty silly wen u break it down. i think if they kept it to ...
it really is overhated
molten oasis
I think Xerneas was bad in all formats except series 10 cause it couldn't use di...
Zacian was also a pain in its ass
shadow wind
i saw cosmog wut
Strongest restricted.
rustic mountain
there were a few bo1 ladder teams w/ xern that did well but overall that mon was nowhere in swsh
shadow wind
Mon is quite literally no where in SV.
molten oasis
Restricted that could take the hits post Geomancy AND could wipe it from existence was kinda not good for it lol
rustic mountain
Mon is quite literally no where in SV.
well thats for a different reason haha. this gens gimmick would make xern way too oppressive
solid frigate
honestly like if you ask someone who does not play Comp,they would 99% say Megas are the best Gimmick without knowing how centralising it is
molten oasis
Wasn’t cress also kinda bad?
molten oasis
Dengo be like 
rustic mountain
yea megas are loved from a casual standpoint
cause comp wise u had like 4-5 good ones and the rest were ass
molten oasis
Competitive standpoint tho 
molten oasis
They also gave megas to mons that were already good
rustic mountain
yep
solid frigate
yea megas are loved from a casual standpoint
especially Anime Fans....
molten oasis
Instead of keeping it for mons that sucked
shadow wind
Mega Heracross my goat.
foggy lodge
cause comp wise u had like 4-5 good ones and the rest were ass
10 in the best case and those 5 more were just niche
molten oasis
So salamece groudon and kyogre were just nuts
solid frigate
and Mega Gengar
molten oasis
Eh
shadow wind
Gengar the whole perish trap.
rustic mountain
10 in the best case and those 5 more were just niche
yea i didnt play that gen jus going off wat ive seen from vids and shit
molten oasis
I was naming mons that were already strong
solid frigate
fair
molten oasis
I kinda hope megas don’t come back
rustic mountain
and Mega Gengar
gengar is a meh mon tho, i dont have a problem it getting one
molten oasis
Sounds like, not a ton of fun for a player that likes off meta lol
solid frigate
in spinoffs yeah it can still exist but Comp standpoint,Casual fans will cry
chrome knot
im playing ultra moon
molten oasis
Awesome game
shadow wind
im playing ultra moon
F.E.A.R. the guy.
molten oasis
Except the cutscenes
rustic mountain
a9s tough rn id suggest maybe trying something else
chrome knot
F.E.A.R. the guy.
gonna piss on his grave
molten oasis
a9s tough rn id suggest maybe trying something else
You see
I don’t wanna play anything else lol
solid frigate
Casual fans will cry when they see Mega Salamence is the best Mega and not Mega Zard X lmao
(They probably said Mega Ray which is true but still)
molten oasis
Also a9’s always gonna be in a rough spot
shadow wind
I think I'm actually playing a meta team for once.
molten oasis
It’s a snow setter, and snow isn’t ever really anything great
chrome knot
I made my starter fomantis BUT I accidentally put it over popplios spot so my rival has a litten...
rustic mountain
I don’t wanna play anything else lol
why tho? theres so many things out there now
solid frigate
wait didn't i already play meta-
shadow wind
Snow is the neutral weather.
molten oasis
why tho? theres so many things out there now
Nothings peaked my interest that’s why
shadow wind
It's the weather you bring when you aren't using weather.
Chilly reception on Glowking for singles proves that.
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/38fb81c3209ed334 here so, this is what I’m using rn
rustic mountain
reminds me of some series 1 teams other then rilla
solid frigate
yeah its fine
Focus Energy Hydreigon almost wiped my ass
molten oasis
I like this team cuz me like Tauros and hydrei and dengo
solid frigate
cloak Volcarona is interesting
molten oasis
So I have no issues with it
I wanna use a9 due to it being my second favorite pokemon
rustic mountain
yea dreigon can be scary, i parting shotted one and it crit me next turn to ko im like well fuck ig that happened
molten oasis
Lmao
shadow wind
Looking at that team I can say my team struggles with it.
solid frigate
yea dreigon can be scary, i parting shotted one and it crit me next turn to ko i...
i almost got wiped by it lmao
thank god i have a whimsicott
rustic mountain
yea ive weirdly faced a lot of cloak dreigon
molten oasis
lol
solid frigate
but Cloak Volcarona is-
molten oasis
I like scope lens a lot
solid frigate
well interesting to say the least
rustic mountain
ive played vs cloak volc
foggy lodge
but Cloak Volcarona is-
its a pain in the neck
solid frigate
Hear me out, no snarl ruining my life
i fucking forgot about Snarl because Reg G nobody uses it because most special restricteds just don't fucking care sometimes
rustic mountain
I’m seeing snarl hydrei
most of the ones i play now are snarl
shadow wind
My tera steel Dozo lived an overheat by like 2% HP.
solid frigate
i might try Cloak Volca with Scope Lens Tera Fire Hydreigon
shadow wind
It did like 60% through light screen.
molten oasis
i might try Cloak Volca with Scope Lens Tera Fire Hydreigon
Steel imo
rustic mountain
but yea dreigon seems pretty flexible on its item atm
molten oasis
“Walling” the ursas is nice
chrome knot
Except the cutscenes
lillies theme is so nice
solid frigate
“Walling” the ursas is nice
kek
molten oasis
lillies theme is so nice
Lillie was a cool character
foggy lodge
I want to try this team https://pokepast.es/3911d838535c127c
Its kinda similar to drago's team
shadow wind
Looks legit.
molten oasis
I like that she overcomes her shyness, be it a bit sudden lol
foggy lodge
I didn't built it tho its from Alex Gómez
molten oasis
Looks legit.
And my team doesn’t
rustic mountain
Its kinda similar to drago's team
not really
shadow wind
I didn't say it wasn't.
rustic mountain
3 of the same mons sure
molten oasis
I want to try this team https://pokepast.es/3911d838535c127c
Looks solid
shadow wind
Also I said it looks like it cooks my team.
molten oasis
That is not close to what I’m using lmao
molten oasis
Also I said it looks like it cooks my team.
Fair enough
rustic mountain
but different way u play each team
shadow wind
I struggle with Hydreigon.
foggy lodge
That is not close to what I’m using lmao
idk why i swear you had a baxca
molten oasis
I have to close at work now. I got my team up to top 500 so I’d say it’s strong
shadow wind
Nice!
rustic mountain
dark/dragon is suprisingly good typing atm cuz fairy damage is not crazy common. its not a tera hog in the same way it was in the past
molten oasis
Yep
solid frigate
Drago what is your Hydreigon EVs
chrome knot
@craggy dagger say hi to bubbs and pickle
molten oasis
I’m not telling you shit lol
shadow wind
Oh my main isn't T100 anymore. This sucks.
solid frigate
bruh lmao
molten oasis
craggy dagger
<@541037106496012290> say hi to bubbs and pickle
whereeeeeeeee
chrome knot
gimme a minute this game has 90 cutscenes
shadow wind
Time to ladder 😔
rustic mountain
for anyone that cares, h zoroark sucks i took it off the team
rustic mountain
tauros and h zoro were replaced by arch peli. ive joined the dark side
craggy dagger
gimme a minute this game has 90 cutscenes
pfft
chrome knot
look at my goobers. @craggy dagger
shadow wind
Me fricking screens.
craggy dagger
look at my goobers. <@541037106496012290>
awwwwwwwweeeeee
rustic mountain
u played the 1 brick break gambit on ladder, grats
rustic mountain
tera blast?
rustic mountain
weird, i guess they opted outta steel stab
rustic mountain
mence is good rn
shadow wind
Special Mence gives me nightmares.
rustic mountain
yea run special
shadow wind
Hurricane confusions 😔
rustic mountain
no
shadow wind
Not a bad idea but like, not worth.
solid frigate
I'll Run Lorb or Sitrus probably
solid frigate
lol
shadow wind
Torch song !!
foggy lodge
There were some rocky helmets in early formats too iirc
rustic mountain
im running rocky helmet shroom atm, its good
shadow wind
Actually it can deal with Rillaboom too.
rustic mountain
idk for mence its the call tho
shadow wind
Rocky helmet is also great on redirecting mon.
patent marsh
Rocky helmet is only good for Urshifu.
Reg A people ran rocky helmet Indeedee F
And continued for a couple of regs
rustic mountain
think ud rather added damage w/ lo or added sustain in sitrus. that depends how u want it to function on ur team
rustic mountain
Rocky helmet is also great on redirecting mon.
big time, i agree for mence its not great rn
shadow wind
I doubt you would get use out of Rocky helmet mence.
I hated rocky helmet indeedees last reg.
rustic mountain
its around still
shadow wind
My Chien Pao just wants to OHKO and keep his sash.
rustic mountain
i faced a few
shadow wind
Yeah but now I don't use a physical sasher.
shadow wind
Doesn't OHKO.
solid frigate
My team might have too many Pseudo Legendaries-
shadow wind
I ran into a team of only Pseudos.
patent marsh
If it works it works wcyd
shadow wind
Actually was tough.
solid frigate
i have 3 but i ain't Ray Rizzo lmao
shadow wind
He had 4.
solid frigate
Hydreigon,Salamence and Metagross
shadow wind
Garchomp 😔
foggy lodge
Metagrossss
mighty stump
Midchomp
shadow wind
More like this meta is gross.
rustic mountain
idk bout havin all those on the same team haha
mighty stump
Everytime I see Garchomp all it does is click SD and die
solid frigate
idk bout havin all those on the same team haha
thats why i realised i have too many Pseudos lmao
shadow wind
Everytime I see Garchomp I miss every single hit.
solid frigate
i havent been impressed by chomp
its ok but kinda inconsistent
mighty stump
Tree did you see the UNO reverse team I made I meme’d it to top 100
rustic mountain
no wat was it
mighty stump
It was basically just Ditto and Electabuzz
rustic mountain
mighty stump
Like nice Bo1 gimmick bro yoink
rustic mountain
🫴
solid frigate
Should i try Gastrodon as my Dozogiri Answer
cyan smelt
Order up or eq though
mighty stump
and it had Baton Pass, so I passed +6 Spe to my Basculegion
rustic mountain
That then got Hypnosis’d
lmao getting cooked by ur own shit
shadow wind
Prima is a dozo answer.
solid frigate
Order up or eq though
it learns Clear Smog.
shadow wind
In my experience as the Dozo.
mighty stump
UNO Reverse moment
solid frigate
Prima is a dozo answer.
if you hate Murkrow then the water Types is the answer lol
solid frigate
i guess i can use Gastrodon lmao
shadow wind
Clear smog is a meh Dozo counter in my opinion.
rustic mountain
prims naturally good into dozo too cuz u resist crash and are immune to order up
mighty stump
Tera Blast Grass 😎
solid frigate
ah yes
shadow wind
I actually ran that.
Then later switched a mon to Rillaboom because it kind of sucked.
cyan smelt
I just use fire croc against dozo
shadow wind
SKELEDIRGE!!!
mighty stump
Tera Blast Grass/Fly are common ways to deal with Haze/Smog users for Dondozo offensively
While Tera Steel and Sub is done to avoid Spore and Clear Smog
rustic mountain
Tera Blast Grass 😎
lmao funny enough ive faced that w/ my palance team and still won
mighty stump
Lol
rustic mountain
it is a good answer tho
shadow wind
Dude I love Skeledirge.
rustic mountain
its a cool mon
cyan smelt
Gonna have to watch out for tera blast fly because I use rilla too
solid frigate
Alright currently its Volcarona,Hydreigon,Salamence,Amoonguss,Gastrodon and Metagross
Metagross could swap out with someone
molten oasis
Metamid
rustic mountain
team seems very mish moshy
molten oasis
Midmence
shadow wind
If you wanna run special mence run rain.
molten oasis
Gastromid
shadow wind
Hurricane sucks normally.
cyan smelt
Why not gholdengo instead of metagross
solid frigate
Why not gholdengo instead of metagross
I FORGOT THAT EXISTS
foggy lodge
Lmao
solid frigate
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
rustic mountain
shadow wind
🐟
rustic mountain
best mon in the format and u forget its there?
foggy lodge
molten oasis
Sorry that half ur team is mid 
solid frigate
I'm too Reg G Pilled but even the that was not an Excuse cuz there is a Dengo in worlds-
shadow wind
Why does it matter to you?
molten oasis
I’m playing around bro
rustic mountain
I'm too Reg G Pilled but even the that was not an Excuse cuz there is a Dengo in...
yea idk dude u remembered metagross
molten oasis
Do you know who else plays around
solid frigate
yea idk dude u remembered metagross
cuz i used Metagross before in Reg F but my brain ain't working in 5 am
molten oasis
rustic mountain
haha well atleast now u know
cyan smelt
Man gholdengo is annoying because you never know what tera it is
shadow wind
Usually steel.
molten oasis
https://tenor.com/view/muscle-man-you-know-who-else-my-mom-regular-show-funny-gi...
This is awesome lmfao
shadow wind
Sometimes dragon or water.
cyan smelt
Tera steel just nukes
rustic mountain
Man gholdengo is annoying because you never know what tera it is
offensive team = steel, np set up= water or dragon
solid frigate
haha well atleast now u know
i could swap out metagross and Gastrodon with Dengo+ Haze
rustic mountain
jus look at the team comp and make ur best assumption
shadow wind
Would make the team a lot stronger.
rustic mountain
i could swap out metagross and Gastrodon with Dengo+ Haze
i am not a believer in either of those so my vote is yes
gastro i did lose to once but i played it poorly. nd it was moreso its partners. otherwise its jus kinda there
solid frigate
i am not a believer in either of those so my vote is yes
honestly i'm not a beliver on that as well but still
shadow wind
I keep running into weird Gastro sets.
solid frigate
i just try some shit in teambuilder
shadow wind
Relatable.
solid frigate
but eh 10 more days till reg H i have time
rustic mountain
honestly i'm not a beliver on that as well but still
u take away one aspect of dozos kit and yea maybe u clear smog it but idk i jus dont see it giving u more value vs something else that can haze or jus bulldoze thru dozo
and like more value outside of that 1 mu
solid frigate
u take away one aspect of dozos kit and yea maybe u clear smog it but idk i jus ...
probably
rustic mountain
and metagross. idk that mon is jus awkward
shadow wind
Give him explosion back.
rustic mountain
steel/psychic kinda meh
rustic mountain
not even many fairy types running around and it doesnt hit prim for se pre tera and sylveon isnt really on many team comps atm
shadow wind
Grimmsnarl I guess.
solid frigate
steel/psychic kinda meh
the only reason why Iron Crown is fine with that typing because it hits so damn hard on Miraidon Teams
Other than that,this Typing sucks against Incin
molten oasis
See torrent
rustic mountain
i guess haha but thats not enough to justify it. even grimm whose more common then sylveon isnt that common or enough of an issue that ud need a check like metagross
solid frigate
See torrent
Drago i know
Plus you really can't say it when you try to run A9 lol (No offense)
rustic mountain
the only reason why Iron Crown is fine with that typing because it hits so damn ...
yea i think iron crowns functionality (stats and ability) and kit (moves) make it more of a threat then something like metagross
solid frigate
yea i think iron crowns functionality (stats and ability) and kit (moves) make i...
thats the reason i love Riley Factura's Team
molten oasis
Drago i know
Plus you really can't say it when you try to run A9 lol (No offens...
Should have let me finish
Hydreigon dengo is perfect typing synergy
Therefore, hydreigon dengo pog
rustic mountain
yea its a good combo
solid frigate
I'll pair up with a Haze Mon,Why not Palafin? my water type slot is opened up
rustic mountain
thats the reason i love Riley Factura's Team
i think his ability as a player allows him to maximize crown to its fullest. in general its not like a great mon or anything haha
in the same way idt many players are taking valiant to finals at worlds
solid frigate
i think his ability as a player allows him to maximize crown to its fullest. in ...
people run Psychic Terrain With Crown but i really don't like Psyspam Crown
solid frigate
in the same way idt many players are taking valiant to finals at worlds
i mean Japanese Players are just insane but at least its impressive
rustic mountain
yea i think part of the innovation is not getting stuck thinking it has to be a psyspam bot
they are extremely good yea but still i wouldnt of had valiant day 2 let alone finals
solid frigate
yea i think part of the innovation is not getting stuck thinking it has to be a ...
its definently not designed to be Psyspam lol
E-Terrain with Lorb/Expert Belt Iron Crown can do noice damage
solid frigate
they are extremely good yea but still i wouldnt of had valiant day 2 let alone f...
wait is that Valiant Set Early Meta as well?
molten oasis
I’m glad miraidon won
solid frigate
same man
molten oasis
I tried the team out it’s strong, I fucking suck with it lol
solid frigate
i can try help,I'm fine with Miraidon
molten oasis
Tbf idk how it works so that’s totally on me
rustic mountain
like just a simple Adjustment?
nah i dont believe so, encore wasnt a thing on it either. it was pretty much reimiagined completely. on a team w/o e terrain and moves that it usually wasnt utlizing
solid frigate
Don't worry i will not throw Iron Crown lol
molten oasis
And main restricteds are Zac and Kyurem
rustic mountain
as far as im aware atleast
molten oasis
craggy dagger
Don't worry i will not throw Iron Crown lol
it’s pretty heavy idt you can
solid frigate
nah i dont believe so, encore wasnt a thing on it either. it was pretty much rei...
fair point
solid frigate
it’s pretty heavy idt you can
rustic mountain
it’s pretty heavy idt you can
not as heavy as cosmog tho
molten oasis
I shall play zacian, I’m dedicated. Plus when reg g rolls back around I should be a better player
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
molten oasis
FUCK I HAVE SCHEWL TOMORROW
solid frigate
156kg damn
craggy dagger
not as heavy as cosmog tho
you mean cosmoem
rustic mountain
oh thats the really heavy one?
solid frigate
FUCK I HAVE SCHEWL TOMORROW
i still have 10 more days lol
boreal mauveBOT
Provided by Nexus-Z
rustic mountain
yea then that lmao
molten oasis
Bro I don’t wanna go back English is the worst class in the planet
craggy dagger
it’s a condensed star yah
solid frigate
give it Body Press
craggy dagger
damn lillie must be strong to be carrying that around in her bag
solid frigate
isn't that thing Float
rustic mountain
damn lillie must be strong to be carrying that around in her bag
thats wat im saying
molten oasis
Lillie just knows how to keep the build small lol
craggy dagger
give it Body Press <:arkeknine:669500432741040129>
it gets cosmic power though
molten oasis
Otherwise she’d be fucking jacked
craggy dagger
Otherwise she’d be fucking jacked
yah
solid frigate
solid frigate
it gets cosmic power though
yep thats why
solid frigate
https://pokepast.es/9f8c4ddc989edc22
also i screwed up lol
molten oasis
tbf I think cosmoem floats so, I doubt it’s actually being carried
rustic mountain
https://pokepast.es/9f8c4ddc989edc22
ok this jus needs to be a rain team lmao
get volc outta there and add pelipper
molten oasis
I like volc
foggy lodge
yep
craggy dagger
https://pokepast.es/9f8c4ddc989edc22
ewwwwwww
special sala
why not run special harc instead
solid frigate
*tbf I think cosmoem floats so, I doubt it’s actually being carried*
it floats lol
molten oasis
I learned the hard way volc is fucking trash on rain archetypes
rustic mountain
special mence is good haha
foggy lodge
if you keep Volca tho what do you think about 252 speed Volca?
solid frigate
get volc outta there and add pelipper
TOILET BIRB
foggy lodge
It outspeeds Glimmora max speed i think
craggy dagger
special mence is good haha
but specs harc 
solid frigate
i fucking forgot Glimmora existed-
molten oasis
but specs harc <:CuteCry:1254244018091724841>
I love throwing
rustic mountain
but specs harc <:CuteCry:1254244018091724841>
craggy dagger
lmao specs harc doesn’t work without chi yu
chrome knot
every new building is a fucking 30 segment long SET OF DIALOGUE
craggy dagger
else it hurts like a wet noodle
molten oasis
every new building is a fucking 30 segment long SET OF DIALOGUE
That’s what sucks about gen 7 games lol
rustic mountain
u actually ran specs harc?
craggy dagger
u actually ran specs harc?
yaya
molten oasis
Cutscenes are trash
molten oasis
Lmfao
rustic mountain
wait wats it sp atk
rustic mountain
nah most of novas teams ive seen arent that out there
molten oasis
You haven’t seen novas teams then
At least not the ones she in the middle of cooking lol
solid frigate
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
molten oasis
No sash?
rustic mountain
the reg g goltres one seemed fine iirc
solid frigate
95 thats Higher than i expected
craggy dagger
Arcanine (F) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 132 HP / 84 Def / 124 SpA / 60 SpD / 108 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Heat Wave
- Tera Blast
- Hyper Voice
- Scorching Sands
Arcanine-Hisui (F) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 124 HP / 140 Def / 108 SpA / 20 SpD / 116 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Heat Wave
- Power Gem
- Tera Blast
- Hyper Voice
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/3fab5d6bf0d1551d
Where’d you get that dengo spread
craggy dagger
i had to go up a little for that
mighty stump
in Gen 8
molten oasis
Wood hammer but ok
solid frigate
Where’d you get that dengo spread
Monke put that in the server lmao
rustic mountain
tru, specs is leaning very hard into that tho
craggy dagger
yaya but harc got some spatk base into atk
molten oasis
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
solid frigate
<a:MeAtTheDentist:1019968592101515335>
craggy dagger
110 100
vs
115 95
mighty stump
Where’d you get that dengo spread
Lol did Monke give away your spread or sth
molten oasis
Oh it’s spa is very usable
craggy dagger
for regular yes
molten oasis
Lol did Monke give away your spread or sth
I mean idc but torrent shared it here
solid frigate
for an Arcanine yeah
molten oasis
THAT I care about
craggy dagger
but i ran hisuian arcanine 
molten oasis
Lemme keep my mid spreads in secret lol
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
solid frigate
DRAGON PULSE???
craggy dagger
and also harc just wants to run physical
molten oasis
Makes sense tbh
craggy dagger
DRAGON PULSE???
yahhhh
chrome knot
when do i get to fight gladion
solid frigate
WHAT THE FUCK HOW HE IS A DRAGON-
foggy lodge
DRAGON PULSE???
Legendary Pokémon
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
molten oasis
Lando wants to be physical and look it’s special
spiral ridge
u actually ran specs harc?
nova has run everything
molten oasis
What’s ur point
craggy dagger
WHAT THE FUCK HOW HE IS A DRAGON-
it’s a komainu
dragon lion dog
spiral ridge
its not have you ran something its how much have you ran something with her
molten oasis
If you get the special moves you need you’re chillin
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
solid frigate
Lando wants to be physical and look it’s special
no i am fine with Arcanine being a Special Attack is fine
But Dragon Pulse is not the move i expect
craggy dagger
adrenaline orb/razor claw ogerpon teal 
spiral ridge
😭
rustic mountain
https://pokepast.es/3fab5d6bf0d1551d
id go sash on peli max/max but other then that seems solid. 1 other thing is incin over dreigon seems good here to give u a better defensive backbone w/ incin shroom and also fake out and intimidate to help ur gholdengo set up. double intimidate on the team can also be cool. can run wisp since u have rain and to nullify those clam physical atkers
spiral ridge
ah sorry 
gimmee the teammmmm
solid frigate
id go sash on peli max/max but other then that seems solid. 1 other thing is inc...
ehhh I'll try both out later
craggy dagger
i found an awesome cosmog spread
rustic mountain
ehhh I'll try both out later
i think b/w dengo/palafin/pelipper/mence u have enough offense
spiral ridge
nicee did you EV it for its more offensive capabilities?
craggy dagger
it’s useless but hey
Nebby Moral support
mighty stump
Why are you lefties Palafin
solid frigate
i think b/w dengo/palafin/pelipper/mence u have enough offense
Oh yeah-
spiral ridge
it’s useless but hey
Nebby Moral support
usually that means you leave it in the benches for moral support not lead it on the field 😭
molten oasis
Are you lefties palafin? Lmfao
chrome knot
can you catch totem pokemon instead of killing them
craggy dagger
um
rustic mountain
oh wait i did not see lefties. yea dont run that
solid frigate
Why are you lefties Palafin
Salamence took Sitrus so idk what item
spiral ridge
if you collect totem stickers you can catch it
rustic mountain
put that on dengo
craggy dagger
here’s the uhhhh
team
molten oasis
CLEAR AMULET
solid frigate
WHY I KEEP FORGOT
mighty stump
Mystic Water? Goggles?
rustic mountain
palafin is mystic or clam
mighty stump
Clam?
molten oasis
your brain is not braining
rustic mountain
goggles is good too
solid frigate
I SHOULD NOT BUILD TEAMS IN 5 AM LMAO
rustic mountain
go to sleep torrent
chrome knot
clear amu @mighty stump
spiral ridge
here’s the uhhhh
team
https://pokepast.es/6159a934cb02495a
oh wait i thought razor claw pon was on the nebby team im dumb sorry 😭
craggy dagger
clear amu <@250386799363489808>
isn’t it just ca
solid frigate
go to sleep torrent
i already did lmao,also got Goggles for Palafin
And i might change into Sash Peli cuz i have that set in Reg F
craggy dagger
but yeahhhh
that team is something else
rustic mountain
ive just found sash to be really consistent
spiral ridge
reg F team gotcha
rustic mountain
oh also ur keen eye rn, change that b4 u hit ladder
solid frigate
ive just found sash to be really consistent
i mean... i did use itin Reg f lol
craggy dagger
lmao Aegis go to bed
solid frigate
oh also ur keen eye rn, change that b4 u hit ladder
thats the third time i forgot to do that
spiral ridge
it sounds like aegis woke up at 5 am 😭
rustic mountain
i mean... i did use itin Reg f lol
reg f isnt reg h tho haha like u could reasonably justify bulky pelipper now
solid frigate
no i was here already in 3 am after i woke up
rustic mountain
i jus think sash more offensive peli is the way to go atm
craggy dagger
thats the third time i forgot to do that
at least you didn’t make the mistake of uhhh
blaze incin overgrow rilla and pressure entei
totally didn’t happen to me
solid frigate
reg f isnt reg h tho haha like u could reasonably justify bulky pelipper now
i mean there aren't any electric Types in Reg H
craggy dagger
somehow i won that game too
solid frigate
at least you didn’t make the mistake of uhhh
blaze incin overgrow rilla and pres...
actually i did that but still won lol
spiral ridge
WHAT 😭
rustic mountain
i mean there aren't any electric Types in Reg H
theres a few around but they are not common at all
best electric type is arch
craggy dagger
opposing rilla set terrain and wood hammer nuke button
spiral ridge
ahhh
solid frigate
best electric type is arch
i can argue Kilowatterl but still
craggy dagger
best electric type is arch
mighty stump
clear amu <@250386799363489808>
CA/ClearAm/Clam depends on my mood
rustic mountain
i can argue Kilowatterl but still
kilowattrel is not better then archaludon lmfao, but im mostly kidding anyway cuz of electro shot being used
molten oasis
best electric type is arch
Real (it’s probably electabuzz)
mighty stump
Yall sleeping on Rotom (it sucks)
rustic mountain
honestly, maybe
rustic mountain
yea rotom is so mid
craggy dagger
kilowattrel is a nice pick against the plethora of intimidates here
but somehow
i feel like half the incin are gonna disappear after watching it not win worlds
solid frigate
kilowattrel is not better then archaludon lmfao, but im mostly kidding anyway cu...
nno i mean like at least it kinda works as a Tailwind Setter but thats it.
mighty stump
Rotom doesn’t suck, it just doesn’t contribute meaningfully enough
spiral ridge
rotom just cant really keep up stat wise right?
rustic mountain
oh, yea its ok for that
molten oasis
That’s a good point
mighty stump
Rotom’s stats are ok
solid frigate
kilowattrel is a nice pick against the plethora of intimidates here
but somehow
...
yep
mighty stump
With HP investment you can get by quite decently
rustic mountain
kilowattrel is a nice pick against the plethora of intimidates here
but somehow
...
real ones will keep playing it
solid frigate
Rotom’s stats are ok
Moveset wise tho-
for Wash you have to run Hydro Pump-
molten oasis
If only we had an electric fsiry types, that wasn’t legendary
solid frigate
no other water moves
spiral ridge
the wrestler cat STAYS on the team cus if i hate facing it so will tehy
mighty stump
Idrc
solid frigate
If only we had an electric fsiry types, that wasn’t legendary
i wish there is lol
molten oasis
the wrestler cat STAYS on the team cus if i hate facing it so will tehy
POV; me nuking it with scope lens Draco from hydrei
mighty stump
Plus as far as options go, there aren’t many x4 resists to MIR
Two of them being, well, Rotom
spiral ridge
POV; me nuking it with scope lens Draco from hydrei
mighty stump
POV; me nuking it with scope lens Draco from hydrei
Doesn’t OHKO btw
spiral ridge
a friend told me that reg H incin been going protect now a days that true btw? i havent done H in a while to know 😭
craggy dagger
https://tenor.com/view/pachirisu-squirrel-pokemon-pokemon-pachirisu-adorable-gif...
yayayayaya
we all know risu is the best electric type
mighty stump
Not really
rustic mountain
ive faced 1 protect incin
craggy dagger
a friend told me that reg H incin been going protect now a days that true btw? i...
by friend you mean me 
rustic mountain
out of like 200 games
craggy dagger
i’ve seen a couple protect incin and rilla
spiral ridge
by friend you mean me <a:FukingDies:694380769615020132>
i didnt wanna throw you under the buss if they disagreed 😭
mighty stump
Rilla is fine
rustic mountain
yea
mighty stump
Incineroar, bad
craggy dagger
but it seems like they’ve been popping up more in reg H than anywhere else
mighty stump
Where though
rustic mountain
unless ur perish w/ incin i dont see protect having more value then its otherwise insane kit
mighty stump
Bo1? Bo3? elo range?
molten oasis
Doesn’t OHKO btw
I’ve done it before tho
craggy dagger
ehhh
1000-1300 Bo1
mighty stump
Okay, so not really that indicative
craggy dagger
it’s still relatively low so idk
mighty stump
Probably weird people
spiral ridge
nova with teh weird people teams? shocking
craggy dagger
i’m thinking risu uhhhhh
mighty stump
You see some wack ass sets w no forethought cause I’ve been scouting stuff with Ditto and some of these sets are like
???
craggy dagger
follow me volt absorb as a counter to archapeli?
molten oasis
Ok that fucking incin was frail as hell then lol
craggy dagger
You see some wack ass sets w no forethought cause I’ve been scouting stuff with ...
lmao fair
molten oasis
252+ SpA Hydreigon Draco Meteor vs. 236 HP / 124+ SpD Incineroar on a critical hit: 156-184 (78 - 92%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery
mighty stump
lol
spiral ridge
follow me volt absorb as a counter to archapeli?
that could actually be decent but for coverage against body press if they click that instead wouldnt static electabuzz be good since it still tanks it quite well?
foggy lodge
You see some wack ass sets w no forethought cause I’ve been scouting stuff with ...
what are some of the most curious you have found lol
craggy dagger
but i was thinking follow me volt absorb tera fairy risu to uhhh
kinda deflect archapeli for a while
molten oasis
Weather ball Kek
craggy dagger
dunno how many body presses risu can take but idt it’ll be a lot
rustic mountain
me before realizing what risu was 
craggy dagger
Weather ball Kek
yah-
remove the peli first since it’s usually slower than archa
spiral ridge
are you trying to kill peli with risu?
craggy dagger
are you trying to kill peli with risu?
no?
solid frigate
ok Wide Guard Peli is still great in Reg H
craggy dagger
its partner though :0
spiral ridge
okay thats what i was thinking but i looked and saw it learned thunder so wasnt sure you were about to do something crazy 😭
rustic mountain
rustic mountain
i mean if its for peli that means it cant miss in rain <:poliwhirlkek:9321495353...
sorry im +6 evasiveness gl
solid frigate
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2183746090
Yep so far this team feels comfortable to pilot
spiral ridge
god i hate smeargle muk evasiveness so god damn much
rustic mountain
same
spiral ridge
i faced one today and genuinely forfeited immediately
rustic mountain
nooooo
spiral ridge
im too tired of them man im not wasting my time
rustic mountain
i fucked around w/ 1 guy for 20 turns the other day then clicked haze w/ palafin and won
craggy dagger
oh cool
252 Def Archaludon Body Press vs. 252 HP / 156+ Def Pachirisu: 45-54 (26.9 - 32.3%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
252+ Def Archaludon Body Press vs. 252 HP / 156+ Def Pachirisu: 51-60 (30.5 - 35.9%) -- 41% chance to 3HKO
spiral ridge
they always have one differnet move than the last one so i just get so tired being surprised
solid frigate
i fucked around w/ 1 guy for 20 turns the other day then clicked haze w/ palafin...
Muk and Smeragle is kinda like
Skill check+Annoying
spiral ridge
oh cool
252 Def Archaludon Body Press vs. 252 HP / 156+ Def Pachirisu: 45-54 (2...
oh damn okay
whats it like at like +1 or something?
rustic mountain
i think checks for dozo automatically make smeargle muk really shit. thats y u see barely any now
craggy dagger
LMAO???
0- SpA Pachirisu Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Pelipper: 132-160 (97.7 - 118.5%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
ik there’s no bulk but still
rustic mountain
this was in reg G for context
ngl u should be able to overpower that shit. jus play all my friends are dead and win
atomic mural
guys I got a 0 speed Iv shiny araquanid im living life
craggy dagger
ehh that still does enough plus para is good
4 Atk Pachirisu Nuzzle vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Pelipper: 28-36 (16.7 - 21.5%) -- possible 5HKO
rustic mountain
muk cant 1v4 and u jus hit ur moves eventually and kill it or go to timer and win off that
spiral ridge
gotcha
rustic mountain
it sucks but dont forfeit, dont give them the satisfaction haha
spiral ridge
yeah just
if i do target their friend it comes down to black sluge +evasion and draining punch
just so much gambling and the moody can make it beefy
plus when they just bloody protect spam to let moody keep boosint 😭
craggy dagger
uffff
252+ SpA Pelipper Weather Ball (100 BP Water) vs. 252 HP / 60 SpD Pachirisu in Rain: 118-139 (70.6 - 83.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
spiral ridge
pain
solid frigate
it sucks but dont forfeit, dont give them the satisfaction haha
In Reg F-G just throw Flutter with Taunt lol
spiral ridge
if its +def then they kill you on a double in
yeah i prob should get a taunter fair
molten oasis
uffff
252+ SpA Pelipper Weather Ball (100 BP Water) vs. 252 HP / 60 SpD Pachiri...
a follow up from flash cannon probably kills too
rustic mountain
if i do target their friend it comes down to black sluge +evasion and draining p...
think of it like this. if it was that strong itd have won worlds or atleast been in there somewhere. its extremely beatable. muk has to get to +6 evasion for it to work. if u ko its partners or most of em before it even gets there its not gna do enough trust me. its also an extremely linear playstyle u literally can map out each turn how ur gna deal w/ each partner and advance to the end game stage
craggy dagger
a follow up from flash cannon probably kills too
why don’t i run uhhhh
tera grass sitrus on that though
rustic mountain
or depending on the team u can jus ko muk t1
solid frigate
i could make a whole Video about Why Muk and Smeragle strat don't work but Moxie already did that
molten oasis
why don’t i run uhhhh
tera grass sitrus on that though
same thing probably happens
check
craggy dagger
252+ SpA Archaludon Flash Cannon vs. 252 HP / 60 SpD Pachirisu: 37-44 (22.1 - 26.3%) -- 8.9% chance to 4HKO
rustic mountain
i could make a whole Video about Why Muk and Smeragle strat don't work but Moxie...
oh he did? lmao
molten oasis
WITH tera grass
molten oasis
that was my point lmfao
solid frigate
oh he did? lmao
yeah and honestly just runt Taunt Flutter Tera Grass lol
solid frigate
Why Speedy Archa
craggy dagger
someone give me an archa spread
solid frigate
44+ SpA HELLO?
solid frigate
Archaludon @ Assault Vest
Ability: Stamina
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 44 SpA / 180 SpD / 28 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Dragon Pulse
- Body Press
- Electro Shot
- Flash Cannon
use this but you can run Draco
rustic mountain
yeah and honestly just runt Taunt Flutter Tera Grass lol
thats a very specific check for something not all that common. i feel like if u have a well built team muk/smeargle shit just isnt that hard, its just annoying
solid frigate
thats a very specific check for something not all that common. i feel like if u ...
yeah fair,its just Tera Grass Taunt Flutter Check the Duo lmao
molten oasis
smeargle muk is either a free win or you lose and its like, bruh
craggy dagger
252+ SpA Archaludon Flash Cannon vs. 252 HP / 60 SpD Tera Grass Pachirisu: 75-88 (44.9 - 52.6%) -- 21.9% chance to 2HKO
252+ SpA Pelipper Weather Ball (100 BP Water) vs. 252 HP / 60 SpD Tera Grass Pachirisu in Rain: 59-69 (35.3 - 41.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
uhh hey drago?
i live on like
a sliver of health
molten oasis
its not someting you need to cnosider
rustic mountain
yeah fair,its just Tera Grass Taunt Flutter Check the Duo lmao
yea i get it
molten oasis
252+ SpA Archaludon Flash Cannon vs. 252 HP / 60 SpD Tera Grass Pachirisu: 75-88...
living is the goal lol
solid frigate
smeargle muk is either a free win or you lose and its like, bruh
if i see someone run this in like in person tournament i would just hunt them down (jk even tho i am going to EUIC next Year)
spiral ridge
<:CuteCry:1254244018091724841>
craggy dagger
then i’ll run grass punch or grass sitrus
molten oasis
ray's legendary video is very interesting
craggy dagger
rather than fairy goggles
spiral ridge
punch?
craggy dagger
pinch berry
rustic mountain
ray still makes vids?
solid frigate
ray's legendary video is very interesting
i watched that,i kinda like his content over Wolfey (Wolfey's Still good tho)
craggy dagger
ray still makes vids?
yah
rustic mountain
it was like half a year at 1 point he had put nothing out haha
molten oasis
lmaoo
rustic mountain
ill check it out
molten oasis
theyre like, monthly videos
spiral ridge
it was like half a year at 1 point he had put nothing out haha
-me with like 20 channels i love that never fucking upload so i just have to pray the algorithm will be nice to their content so i see it
rustic mountain
lmao
solid frigate
i might make VGC Content once i am confident on myself about VGC shit
cuz i ain't that good yet
molten oasis
ray didn't compete this year right?
rustic mountain
he did
molten oasis
thats lame
mighty stump
@chrome knot why didnt you tell me you had donuts soaked in alcohol in canada
solid frigate
excuse me
W H A T
spiral ridge
yoo diabetes alcholic tiramisu thats awesome
molten oasis
ray's top 3 legends made sense to me
rustic mountain
why cuz zacian was there?
molten oasis
LOL no
rustic mountain
molten oasis
it wasn't considered, any gen 8+ mon wasn't considered due to not enough results
spiral ridge
i had the same thought i was waiting to see some bias
rustic mountain
it wasn't considered, any gen 8+ mon wasn't considered due to not enough results
yea thats fair
molten oasis
although i think shifu is like, 3rd best lol
rustic mountain
i think its done enough yea
spiral ridge
is this like 3 best in history of vgc or best in terms of like a vacuum?
molten oasis
anyway his top 3 we're ||groudon kyogre and lando||
rustic mountain
gen 3 rep lets gooooo
molten oasis
yea lol
molten oasis
kyogre strong i think that made perfect sense as #1
solid frigate
i mean its expected
molten oasis
groudon also made sense
spiral ridge
bro spoilers then says it again
rustic mountain
its been dominant for so long
molten oasis
i think caly would have been up there if not for the lack of results
spiral ridge
youre keeping real consistent here man 😭
molten oasis
caly is probably the best restricted, that we have
rustic mountain
i think caly would have been up there if not for the lack of results
well its tough cuz for the criteria it needs to actually prove it can have sustained dominance
solid frigate
Kyogre has been in here as the Meta Restricted up till this point
Groudon got washed by Kyogre still remain even when Koraidon is a thing
solid frigate
Chi Yu would have a Field Day against Then
molten oasis
incin
spiral ridge
pao
molten oasis
houndoom
rustic mountain
like u cant say it would be cause wed need to be in like gen 14 to be like oh is this mon still good. or will we likely have a new crop of broken restricteds that outshine it? ogre being good 6 gens later is actually p crazy. no other restricted can really say that, other then groudon
spiral ridge
it is a tera hog purely cause everyone has multiple mons for its base typing
solid frigate
molten oasis
like u cant say it would be cause wed need to be in like gen 14 to be like oh is...
you're right yea
spiral ridge
and also cause the typings defensive wise are sorta scary 😭
shouldnt have said purely prob lol
molten oasis
who knows caly could get power crept, and then that thing will be the thing i hate
rustic mountain
yea
solid frigate
like u cant say it would be cause wed need to be in like gen 14 to be like oh is...
if we follow Gamefreak's Traditions,it might-
rustic mountain
i think we for sure do
molten oasis
the day urshifu gets power crept
rustic mountain
in a sense we already see it this gen w/ miraidon. that guy is a instant nuke
molten oasis
will be one hell of a day indeed
solid frigate
after gen 5 and at the start of Gen 6,Almost all restricteds are great to busted
spiral ridge
i think for these gen mons talking about the future of them it comes down to how good can their ability hold up right?
solid frigate
No you Solgaleo
molten oasis
in a sense we already see it this gen w/ miraidon. that guy is a instant nuke
and it won this years worlds
foggy lodge
after gen 5 and at the start of Gen 6,Almost all restricteds are great to busted
Zygarde
spiral ridge
cus like urshi can stay strong for a while but the calys abilities if they get power crept their abilities are kinda bad
molten oasis
cant wait for caly mirai to win next year hahaha
foggy lodge
😭
molten oasis
if its double restricted
foggy lodge
We just have to wait for LZA to get Zygarde meta
And home compatibility with gen 10 ig
solid frigate
Zygarde forms fr
molten oasis
if they let that trio be legal imma cry
foggy lodge
idk
rustic mountain
and it won this years worlds
yea thats what i mean. idt i could say that if csr won haha. ofc players make the difference too but i think there were enough results to show miraidon and cir were generally just better/more consistent then csr
solid frigate
if they let that trio be legal imma cry
i mean without Tera Xerneas is kinda mid
molten oasis
i mean without Tera Xerneas is kinda mid
solid frigate
and even then
rustic mountain
i mean without Tera Xerneas is kinda mid
what?
solid frigate
Dynamax ain't helping it
molten oasis
that is a hot ass take lmao
spiral ridge
yea thats what i mean. idt i could say that if csr won haha. ofc players make th...
genuinely with its speed i was thinking csr was better than cir cus the presurre it can put down on the field so it was a shock and interesting to see how that got flipped and cir was better
foggy lodge
Doesn't Xerneas ran like just full fairy stab cause the stabs did more damage than the coverage lol
rustic mountain
dmax yea it sucked cuz no geomancy but itd b insanely good in a non tera format
foggy lodge
Xerneas is so interesting lol
molten oasis
it be good in a tera format tho no?
spiral ridge
i love xerneas my first games were XY :)
molten oasis
zygarde would be something in a tera format thats for sure
rustic mountain
it be good in a tera format tho no?
tera format is a given itd be broken, hence why i dont think its allowed
solid frigate
Doesn't Xerneas ran like just full fairy stab cause the stabs did more damage th...
if it is in SV then it would run Tera Fire Tera Blast
JUST MAYBE
molten oasis
yippee tera fire/ground xerneas
foggy lodge
Nah just fairy
solid frigate
B r o n z o n g
chrome knot
<@224303371564220418> why didnt you tell me you had donuts soaked in alcohol in ...
we have WHAT
solid frigate
yippee tera fire/ground xerneas
not Tera Ground cuz Bronzong has Levitate
molten oasis
not Tera Ground cuz Bronzong has Levitate
ok and?
doesn't stop it from using it anyway
yes fire would probably be used more
molten oasis
wouldnt matter if its dead
solid frigate
I rather get hit by Horsepower than Glacial Lance
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
molten oasis
thats raging bolt bulk
solid frigate
yep.
rustic mountain
a restricted w/ an omni boost move that can subvert its weaknesses and jus destroy u? yea no way that wouldnt be extremely centralizing and oppressive
foggy lodge
wait its omniboost
solid frigate
it does not raise defense tho lol
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
foggy lodge
Ah
rustic mountain
speed, sp atk and sp def
molten oasis
so xern can just invest to be really defensively bulky
foggy lodge
I thought it was like Dozo and 💀
molten oasis
because it gets 2 quiver dances in 1 move
atomic mural
I thought it was just speed, spdef and special attack
molten oasis
it is
atomic mural
speed, sp atk and sp def
yeah I typed my question too late to make sense
cyan smelt
Dondozo would wall xerneas
molten oasis
POV tera ground tera blast
rustic mountain
usually restricteds can have options for boosts (np and cm for csr, sd for zacian etc) but to have a move that does 3 stats and all by 2 stages? and needing to have an answer for pre and post tera w/o losing too many resources. like idk i think that thing would just break tera
solid frigate
if it just one stage boost that could still be manageable
but like 2????
WHY 2?????
foggy lodge
POV tera ground tera blast
That would actually be its most popular tera
molten oasis
but its easier to slow down that then a double "omniboost"
solid frigate
just Follow me with Ogerpon and Xerneas gets a free Boost
rustic mountain
im glad they left it out
foggy lodge
Probably the only thing that one shots you pre geomancy is Miraidon
And probably post geomancy too lol
molten oasis
hearthflame xern may have been terrible
solid frigate
Probably the only thing that one shots you pre geomancy is Miraidon
still dies to moonblast but still
molten oasis
for the game
atomic mural
WHY 2?????
if it was 1 it would just be worse quiver dance
molten oasis
im glad they left it out
it also meant the tapus and UB's got left out
which was lame, but i get why
rustic mountain
wdym
foggy lodge
Tapus
solid frigate
if it was 1 it would just be worse quiver dance
then what you want your Araquanid to get blasted by Moonblast?
molten oasis
let the ruins/paradox shine this gen
rustic mountain
oh yea
molten oasis
then introduce them later with both maybe
mighty stump
we have WHAT
Soaked donuts
rustic mountain
but that was for different reasons
molten oasis
it was?
rustic mountain
ubs/ tapus wouldnt break the game w/ tera
chrome knot
im like "coaching" catt (im laughing at her) and shes running into the weirdest teams cart ladder is so joever
foggy lodge
Ubs maybe
rustic mountain
different reasoning then leaving xern out
mighty stump
im like "coaching" catt (im laughing at her) and shes running into the weirdest ...
joever
molten oasis
what tapu gets broken with tera?
foggy lodge
Tapus nah
solid frigate
i don't see Tapu Koko Break Tera honestly
molten oasis
oh, oh lol nvm
mighty stump
tapu LELE
molten oasis
im dumb
solid frigate
i did wanna say Lele but i am hesitant
foggy lodge
130 what
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
solid frigate
it does what Hatterene did,but way better
molten oasis
so its faster somewhat less hard hitting Hatt?
mighty stump
252+ SpA Choice Specs Tera Psychic Tapu Lele Helping Hand Expanding Force (120 BP) vs. 252 HP / 164 SpD Assault Vest Archaludon in Psychic Terrain: 166-196 (84.2 - 99.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
molten oasis
dayum
mighty stump
So basically unless youre a fat resist you explode
molten oasis
cant both hatt and arma do that tho
rustic mountain
so its faster somewhat less hard hitting Hatt?
w/ overall better bulk
mighty stump
cant both hatt and arma do that tho
Neither self sets Psychic Terrain
And are not as fast
molten oasis
fair enough
molten oasis
would koko be good? im guessing fini would be good but wbu koko?
rustic mountain
prolly yea
mighty stump
TERA FIGHTING SCARF BUZZWOLE YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
molten oasis
lmfao
atomic mural
then what you want your Araquanid to get blasted by Moonblast?
yes
molten oasis
what if they gave my boy golisopod a real ability
solid frigate
oh god Tera Ghost would be good with some UBs
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
molten oasis
like plz that be hype as hell
rustic mountain
golispod was robbed at 2022 worlds
molten oasis
emergency exit SUCKS
atomic mural
+2 252 SpA Fairy Aura Xerneas Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Araquanid: 169-201 (96.5 - 114.8%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO It dosent always die we take those 💪
molten oasis
golispod was robbed at 2022 worlds
it was at worlds 2022?
rustic mountain
yea
molten oasis
thats awesome
solid frigate
+2 252 SpA Fairy Aura Xerneas Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Araquanid: 169-201 (9...
Ogerpon beside Xerneas be like:Imma do le clean up
atomic mural
😨
solid frigate
oh wait
I did killed an Araquanid with Ogerpon
rustic mountain
thats awesome
guy was about to win then lost to dcing for some reason
molten oasis
thats actually awful
atomic mural
oh wait
I did killed an Araquanid with Ogerpon
ok but araquanid looks cool